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Daily Southampton: Episode 143: Tactics Thursday - Juric doomed to repeat same mistakes...
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Southampton – Oscar has returned from a trip to Stamford Bridge, and we feel sorry for him! We have a talk about the tactics, if we can improve, where it's all going wrong and a look at Juric's past.
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Transcript
Introduction and Southampton's Struggles
00:00:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hello and welcome back to the Daily Southampton, part of the Global Sports Podcast Network. My name is Greg Elliott and today joined as always by my good friend Zach Ingo Finch.
00:00:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
How are you doing Zach?
00:00:21
Zak
Yeah, alright. I broke a tooth yesterday. Somehow still better than the Saints result.
00:00:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
And Oscar who had the unenviable day of visiting Stamford Bridge yesterday. How are you doing Oscar?
00:00:36
Oscar
Yeah, I don't really know how to say in terms of the football. Not great, but everything else all good.
Criticism of Juric's Tactics
00:00:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
we We're going to take a dive into tactical Thursday, I think, today. We've got a bit of an essay from SLS on Reddit to kick us off, which I'm going to read through.
00:00:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
and then i'm going to throw it to Oscar and Zach for some thoughts. And maybe solidifying our opinions yesterday of maybe this really is everything about the end of Jurich for us.
00:01:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
so So, yeah, from SLS on on Reddit, it's a Roma fan here with some thoughts on Juric. After his dismissal from Roma as an avid supporter who watches every game live and then the replays, I'd just like to offer some insight into his past performance.
00:01:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
I haven't watched the Saints games, but I followed the results, which seem very poor, similar to when he was at the helm of Roma. This dude has no clue and should not be put anywhere near the top league of any nation.
00:01:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
He isn't even that cut out for championship teams in England. At Roma, the most questionable thing was him constantly playing our attacking-minded left-wing back as centre-back, as well as not letting Mats Hummels, who should need no introduction, have any minutes.
Formation Failures and Defensive Issues
00:01:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
On top of this, his 3-4-2-1 was insanely susceptible to counter-attacks, and game in, game out, we lost points to the same counter-attacking patterns, yet he refused to change and clung onto his ineffective metal high-press instructions.
00:02:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
Some coaches are known for attacking play, but even with a leaky defence, the attacking phase was abysmal. It always looked like he wanted pressing wing play for which we had world-class players like Dybala, but nothing clicked because the midfield would be too empty, leaving players stranded on the wings.
00:02:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
And boy does Juric have no idea how to effectively use a striker who seems to be tasked with dropping deep, but then would get swarmed by the opposing defensive midfields or centre-backs and lose the ball.
00:02:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
The entire midfield and front three always looked disconnected. We looked almost every... We looked lost almost every game against even relegation teams. Make no mistake, I'm absolutely a Jurich hater. And while Southampton seems to have a thin bench, there are some quality players which should not translate to your team's current results. So just wanted to share, see if his tactics are still the same.
00:02:55
Global Sports Podcast Network
So a lot of that really resonates. Where to start? Oscar, thoughts?
00:03:02
Oscar
Yeah, I mean, it sounds pretty much spot on. Do you know actually what was the most depressing thing about it? So I was i was in the Chelsea end and all the Chelsea fans around me are saying, cra I didn't actually realise how bad Southampton were.
00:03:17
Oscar
And the thing on top of that is i actually thought we played quite well for 20 minutes or so until they scored, which you know I'm sure you've already touched on and you know, the softest underbelly of any team we've ever, you know, I've ever watched, I think, in my lifetime terms of goals conceded.
00:03:28
Zak
Start a playbook, mate, innit?
00:03:36
Oscar
So, I'm an team that is. And yeah, 100% everything that that he's just said. And, you know, I touched on it last time with the Chelsea preview. that This man-for-man pressing system...
00:03:50
Oscar
Maybe that worked in Italy when everything's a lot more methodical and a bit slower and not as, you know, as reliant on transition as the Premier Leagues are. It is nuts.
00:04:01
Oscar
I don't understand the logic of having Bella Kocha, who, you know, okay, all right, fair enough. he Maybe he's quite quick, maybe, but he's 1v1 with Neto every time. And it seems to me that that's the plan, to leave the centre-back 1v1 with a striker attacker who is quicker.
00:04:17
Oscar
And if he's going to, like... smash him every time that he gets the ball and physically dominate him and it works then fair enough but all that was happening was that Chelsea were getting the ball with their goalkeeper and you know granted maybe that's why we got a lot of the joy because their fans were on them from minute one about playing it quickly but then the keeper would get the ball and play it through nine of our players and leave Neto 1v1 with Bella Kochap and Ramsdale and take the whole team out with one pass I just I don't understand the logic or the benefit that we get from doing it
00:04:49
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, it's exactly right. And that they were saying on the commentary on Sky about the Chelsea fans getting on and the keeper being struggling and clearly not used to this level of distribution, but they were determined to play it out from him. But you're right.
00:05:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
a He didn't put ball straight to us. Saints players, like we saw what two of our players do immediately. we watched I watched the, you said, the fan view of the Cucuraya goal from our own corner.
00:05:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
And it's just horrible, right? Just everyone walking, maybe slightly getting a jog on.
00:05:23
Oscar
Well, that's not even tactics. That just comes down to man management. And yeah, OK, I know the players are slightly slightly devoid of confidence and things like that, but that's not what that is. That is just, are they playing for the manager? Absolutely not in that situation. And you've got Ryan Manning, who you know was one of Russell Martin's players, one of his you know legacy players, should we say.
00:05:49
Oscar
He's... had the most abysmal shot I've ever seen in my life trying to turn on it having just come on and is then walking back to try and recover when the ball goes down his side you know and that for me Bella Kochap's walking out of the box and Rebo Rebo's slightly more he's a bit higher up and you know but Bella Kochap's walking then he thinks oh maybe I'll get a bit of a jog on jogs back and then gets to the edge of the box sees Kukare there and just starts walking again Fernandes, who's been on for the whole game and has been running running his arse off the whole game, carries on doing that, runs all the way back and tracks with it. so
00:06:27
Oscar
and And he's probably, of all the players, got justification not to because he's been comfortably our best player this season. So again, you know that's not necessarily tactics, but for me...
00:06:38
Oscar
That is writing on the wall. And as much as i'm I was never a four bringing in a David Moyes or a Sean Dyche or one of those, I don't think it would have happened. Something like that would ever have happened under him.
00:06:50
Oscar
And if it did,
00:06:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
No. ah ah you You have to look at... I also was strongly against David Moyes in particular coming in, but you have to look at what he's done Everton since he's come under them.
00:07:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
and tells you, guess, everything you need to know. it would be nice to have some tactics to discuss, right? It's not just they they stuck to a system that's not working.
00:07:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
Clearly, from that post on Reddit, didn't work.
00:07:15
Oscar
the
00:07:18
Oscar
No.
00:07:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
in Italy either. So...
00:07:19
Oscar
One of the fundamentals you need for a team at the bottom of the league is that you need to try and stay compact and not ship goals easily. And when you've got, again, I watched it in the second half and I just speaking to my friend who's a Liverpool fan.
00:07:32
Oscar
You've got Bella Kocha in the middle with Neto or whoever replaced Neto, might be Tyriky George. You've got Harwood Bellis out on the left trying to man-mark.
00:07:42
Oscar
He was trying to man-mark Tyreek George. can't remember who was in the middle at this point. And was it James Bree or whoever was on the other side marking again right out on the wing. One ball just completely takes out. We've seen it so many times and the Roma fans said exactly the same thing.
00:07:58
Oscar
Just that transition has killed us every time. We saw it with Mateta and Benarek slightly better battle. But even then Why do it?
00:08:08
Oscar
I understand doing it if you're a better team and you've got better players. So would it work in the championship? It probably actually would because we should have better players. But then he stays. It works in the championship. We get promoted.
00:08:20
Oscar
Now we're back square one because we're going to have an absolute stinker of a season again because our players are not as good as the players we're playing. Except for maybe you get away with it against the team like Ipswich.
00:08:31
Oscar
and possibly Leicester. But again, those are teams that you'd be expecting us to be in and around, or at least having a chance of beating. So yeah, i just just strikes of no planning whatsoever for me.
00:08:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
Absolutely.
Managerial Change Debate
00:08:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay, well, we'll were we'll carry on ruminating on it and come back to maybe what we think should happen the rest of the season after a message from our partners at Bionique.
00:09:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay, and we're back. Zach, we touched on it a bit last night, but this obviously isn't working. What's the answer for the rest of the season?
00:09:45
Zak
What is the answer for the rest of the season? That is the question. When we but it was just us two way back when, and we were discussing Russell Martin week in, week out, and we were just like, well, they're just not going to get rid of him. It's just going to be like this forever.
00:10:01
Zak
And they got rid of him. And we had to accept that. And they brought in Juric. And it was supposed to be something different, something exciting. Someone who's willing to have a plan A and a plan B instead of just one plan.
00:10:13
Zak
And then what we've seen from both this post, from both our analysis, from having Oscar, who's a bit more tactically minded than me, probably less the probably not as much you, Greg, but like you know everyone kind of knows my background at this point.
00:10:27
Zak
It is devastating to see what the future is because we keep him and we watch another 10, 11 games of trash like where we we get carved up. We have another four nil loss here.
00:10:41
Zak
We might have a one nil loss where it's it's a slightly better. We get rid of him and bring in somebody else. And we end up just like the season where we went down, where we end up probably internally until we can recruit a manager.
00:10:53
Zak
And then we pick a completely new, different style of football that no one's ever thought about. Or, and we, we introduce that and then we end up in exactly the same position. And i think it, you know oscar hit the nail on the head where it's like no one we think we're too good it was like there was a guardian article that came out the weekend somebody wasn't even like even remotely like related saints that basically said that like we almost think we're we're too good to play like ugly football like we're we've got like the southampton way and you know but what what is that anymore no one talks about it hashtag we march on every week i genuinely don't know what the next steps are
00:11:30
Zak
The fact that he admitted that something needs to change after the Brighton game gave me a bit of hope, right? i was like, cool. But then the fact that he immediately backpedaled and said, i actually, no, we're still going to play three centre-backs despite the fact we don't have them.
00:11:42
Zak
And then we got battered 4-0. And then yesterday was just like, yeah, it's kind of bad, isn't it? Maybe I'll get fired. And it's like, none the players care. they're all They all don't know what instructions they're meant to be taking or either thinking about the next club they're going to or alternatively of just You know, it's like the target at this point should just be not being the worst team in the Premier League.
00:12:02
Zak
That's it. just just get Just get four draws at 0-0.
00:12:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hmm.
00:12:05
Zak
I could not care less. Like, that's it. That's all that matters. And yet, instead, we've gone from having one principled manager who will die by the sword to apparently another principled manager who will die by the sword.
00:12:17
Zak
So what they really need to do is just strip everything out. Sell them all.
00:12:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
Still again.
00:12:22
Zak
Sell them all. Get rid of but anyone that wants to go
00:12:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh.
00:12:25
Zak
Let them go out the door in January and completely restart. And hope that we do not end up in a situation like Luton. Which is seeming more and more like the day that goes by.
00:12:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hmm.
00:12:34
Zak
And I know this is quite extreme and dramatic for everything that's going on. But like, it's just getting to that point where like, how... you know, is it how is it normal? How is it an okay performance when we get batted 4-0?
00:12:46
Zak
I thought we played okay for the first 25 minutes.
00:12:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:12:49
Zak
It's like, the puns, that's where we're all at.
00:12:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. That's it.
00:12:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Oscar, I'm going to ask you a question that I asked Zach yesterday and and shared some thoughts on. Is there any point changing manager at this point in the season?
00:13:05
Oscar
I think if you can see there's a plan and you can see the players are bought into it and are engaged, then I would agree. What's the point?
00:13:15
Oscar
Well, this point, he, yes, he needed to come in and ruffle some feathers. He doesn't really seem to have done that because the players don't seem particularly asked. They're just walking around. You know, they don't look like they're worried about being or worried about anything.
00:13:30
Oscar
you know sometimes I suppose the argument sometimes is that you know the devil you know but I mean even I saw a thing comparing Russell Martin's stats to Juric's stats so far doesn't make great reading for Juric I've got to say so I don't know if either of you have touched on this or seen it but points per game Russell Martin 0.31 Juric 0.3
00:13:57
Oscar
goes Goals for Russell Martin 0.69, Juric 0.8. So scoring slightly more for Martin,
00:14:10
Oscar
Big chances against, 4.3 for for Juric. two point over russell martin one point eight for eurich which answers against four point three for us and martin four point nine for eu richch And expected goals against 2.3 for Russell Martin, 2.6 for Juric.
00:14:29
Oscar
So, you know, it's
00:14:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
gone downhill.
00:14:33
Zak
Thank you.
00:14:35
Oscar
possible. And, you know, I'm not saying I disagree Russell Martin being sacked. Like, i think I think the writing was on the wall. Don't wrong. You know, was there a huge amount of point? Probably not. were going down either way. We don't, I said at the beginning of the season, we don't have goal scorers. We maybe don't have the defensive quality.
00:14:54
Oscar
we're in trouble either way. And I think our fans played a part in it. Don't get me wrong, I think our fans have been superb this season. And last night, you know, you can hear them throughout the whole game and fair play.
00:15:04
Oscar
And, you know, and this might be a bit controversial, but we are, it it's a funny fan base. And I'm not going to say the word fickle, but it's similar.
00:15:15
Zak
We can start quick.
00:15:17
Oscar
Yeah.
00:15:17
Zak
That's what you mean.
00:15:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:15:18
Zak
Like, say how it is. We can turn quick. we We're really bad. You know, you can say what you want about other fans. You can say, you know, as I said, the away support is incredible. I think the away support is significantly better at the moment than the away support.
00:15:29
Zak
Part of that is due to the fact that, you know, there's there's lots of factors to that.
00:15:29
Oscar
yeah
00:15:33
Zak
There is the watching the same thing happen that happened two years ago is harrowing.
00:15:38
Oscar
yeah
00:15:39
Zak
I think that it's harrowing for the players to hear that. But like, if you're, but the thing is that upsets me about it is even when we're playing away,
Fan Support and Morale
00:15:46
Zak
And they go a goal down. They don't have to deal with the whole stadium booing at that point.
00:15:50
Zak
And they still just capitulate.
00:15:50
Oscar
yeah
00:15:52
Zak
and and this is And this is the issue that... you One of the issues that you've got is that, like, you I can understand how it affects the players. But surely on the pitch, they need to understand that, like, they're going to do this week in, week out.
00:16:07
Zak
and they're not going to do anything, not you know not get your money's worth, and on top of that, have to pay more for everything. I can understand why the fans are getting mad, and that's part of
00:16:13
Oscar
Yeah, I can. it's it's It's more with the managers that I think. like It started with Ralph, and I'm not going to go back and say we should have kept Ralph. we shouldn't have i understand the reasons that it was time for him to go, probably.
00:16:27
Oscar
I think he was a bit burned out, and I think it's cyclical.
00:16:31
Zak
It's petered out, isn't it?
00:16:31
Oscar
Things need refreshing. Nathan Jones, again, i agree, really didn't help himself, but let's be honest, he was written off before he even started.
00:16:40
Zak
That's true.
00:16:40
Oscar
fans wanted some you know these random blokes from that are doing really well in European leagues that no one's really ever heard of but all of a sudden they see a couple of YouTube compilations and then we want him Nathan Jones you know not a very fashionable name again I'm not saying that I think he should have stayed or anything like that but out the door before he even really signed and and then like I saw a good amount of our van of us wanted Reid Van Nistelrooy and look how that's found out Like, and on you know I understand it's not good enough. And actually, I think at times in certain areas, we're quite passive as a fan base. And, you know, I witnessed firsthand the Chelsea fans protesting last night and protesting about Todd Bowley and Clear Lake being greedy. I was like, well, you can accuse them of several things.
00:17:29
Oscar
They've spent a lot of money. That's one thing I think.
00:17:32
Zak
1.3 billion just that just so you know that's what the that's sort the number is
00:17:33
Oscar
Yeah. Yeah.
00:17:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
Thank you.
00:17:36
Oscar
Yeah, I understand frustration, but, you know, and I think there are supposedly people talking about doing a protest this week and, you know, more about Sports Republic. Don't know that that's necessarily going to help anything, to be honest.
00:17:49
Oscar
Yeah, it's... Yeah.
00:17:51
Zak
I think that's the problem, isn't it? is it feels It feels like we we can't make a difference. I think the problem is is the only time it ever seemed to make a difference was like the Jones Out campaign, right? That was just everywhere. That became Saints that became saints social media for about three weeks.
00:18:04
Zak
it it was every And I understand because like he he didn't help himself by being just incredibly unlikable and throwing all the vitriol mainly at fans, which was just weird, and didn't really win the dressing room.
00:18:04
Oscar
yeah
00:18:14
Oscar
Yeah.
00:18:16
Zak
And I feel like similar sort of thing... has happened almost again where you're you're right. The players don't care. The players haven't bought into the system. Juric is a bit... Everyone's getting mad and upset about it.
00:18:27
Zak
But who else are we going to get? I think the biggest problem that i have is that they obviously were so so locked in on the Russell Martin way and Russell Martin's football. that obviously we found out when he he got fired that they didn't have a shortlist.
00:18:42
Zak
they they They were putting together a shortlist for Space of the Week.
00:18:42
Oscar
yeah
00:18:44
Zak
And what they actually did was phone up the guy they wanted before Nathan Jones and realised, oh, he's available. We'll just get him in. And then obviously the other problem is by that point, fans have made up their mind. They'd already, you know, whether it's gonna be Danny Roll from Sheffield Wednesday, or as you pointed out, Reuben Destroyer, which hasn't worked out for Leicester.
00:19:01
Zak
i and And it's like, okay, well... But the problem is, is like I think a lot of that gets dropped when we have a good game and, oh my God, we might actually start winning some games and stuff. But then when you say the same thing day in, day out, like I don't can't really blame anyone for being mad.
00:19:16
Zak
But I have also subsequently made the point that if you turn the atmosphere in your stadium to be the level of toxic that it can be, and it's obviously, so I think you're right, sometimes it's like toxicity in the wrong places.
00:19:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
No.
00:19:29
Zak
Like we'll complain about the fan zones, but they're always packed out. We'll complain about Dell pub. It's always packed out. So, so it's like, we, we hate that stuff, but we'll still, we won't come and go like, well, we're just not going to use it.
00:19:35
Oscar
I
00:19:39
Zak
We'll vote with our feet. We're just not going to use the fan.
00:19:40
Oscar
yeah
00:19:41
Zak
So we're not going to give them them money.
00:19:43
Oscar
i think in fairness to Sports Republic, they're trying they are trying to build the club in the right way.
00:19:43
Zak
People still.
00:19:49
Oscar
They're just hopeless with the football side.
00:19:50
Zak
Yeah. They just haven't, haven't done the football tool.
00:19:51
Oscar
Everything else has been fine.
00:19:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, very much so. Okay.
00:19:54
Zak
Haven't the football tool.
00:19:55
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00:20:25
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Okay, so yeah yeah, you're right. The football side of it has been the the letdown, and I don't think anyone is going to argue with the the other improvements around the club and that they are
Future Strategies and Financial Considerations
00:20:36
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positive. But but where do we go? what's What's the answer for the rest of the season? If we do... Are fans going to be happy if we get rid of Juric and...
00:20:45
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give it to Rusk gordelana or the Lana or combination of the two for the rest of the season because, you know, it's it's better than what we've got.
00:20:55
Zak
How much is it going to cost to get rid of it is the real question, because that is something we need to consider.
00:20:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hmm.
00:20:59
Zak
This is the only reason that, in my head, what I actually think is I'm in agreement with Oster that, okay, yeah, usually it's better than but the trash you know, but in this case, the trash is just too...
00:21:10
Zak
It's too rubbish. It's going to be a painful watch against the next couple of games. right and it's it's It's really bad. and if If I had an ideal solution, we would get rid of him, put someone interim in there and allow the footballing people to come up with a plan over the summer.
00:21:26
Zak
Whether that means that we don't appoint a manager straight away, wait until the start of preseason and wait until then also you know allow the players at that point know who want to leave to just leave and who are who want to stay to understand that they are going to be playing in a way that the new manager wants to rather than sort of give them the new manager then umunar just you know at that point you've got the players that want to play for the club we can have a just a bit of a reset that's an ideal solution the The realistic part of me thinks that we've already done the thing where we've paid a bunch of compensation and fired a manager.
00:21:56
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Thank
00:21:57
Zak
We did that last time. it put us in a bit of a financially precarious situation before going down to the championship. And, you know, we we look at Celis now like, oh, yeah, it was all right, I guess, kind of.
00:22:08
Zak
But it is just going to be at this point limping to the end of the season. What are we fighting for? At the moment, as I pointed out, beating the Derby points record, which if we, I don't even know if we deserve to, really.
00:22:19
Zak
But, at that pace, in that case, it's like defensively shoring us up and getting a few draws and stop trying to go for like these five nil wins we're never going to get. that's That's what I think we should do is that in the ideal solution, it would be get rid of him now and bring in someone interim before an actual plan is put in place.
00:22:37
Zak
Realistically, keep him until the end of the season, but actually allow the footballing people to put a footballing plan in place. That means that we can enjoy the championship next year, because if they don't, you know, it could, it doesn't matter if they've invested tons of money into the fan zones, when you get down to league one, no one cares.
00:22:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
and but What about you Oscar? What are your thoughts?
00:22:58
Oscar
Well, Rusk's had one game and he's got one of our very few clean sheets. So, you know, you could do a lot worse. He's sitting right there.
00:23:08
Oscar
Don't me wrong, he's got a bit of credit in the bank as well. Don't get me wrong, you know, never, it it might it might turn out a similar situation for him as well. You don't know, but...
00:23:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hmm.
00:23:21
Oscar
I just think, at least with martin Martin, you could understand what he was trying to do, what the purpose was and what the reason was for taking the risks. I just don't get it with Juric. I don't get what he's trying to do.
00:23:33
Oscar
I don't understand, even if he had better players, he had better players at Roma and it still didn't work. So, I just don't get it. So, yeah, for me, I think, I don't know, do you make a change immediately or is maybe that's why they have tried to bring Rusk and they're potentially looking at that because...
00:23:48
Oscar
It's not just about a case of going down now. It's a case of we're going to go down as a laughing stock if this keeps happening. That's another four goals.
00:23:55
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:23:56
Oscar
Another four goals. How many games have we lost? 4-0 or 3-0? yeah I said yesterday about...
00:24:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
An unreasonable amount.
00:24:02
Oscar
what was that for That's now 15 games out of 27 that we've conceded three or more goals.
00:24:06
Zak
Man, that's so poor.
00:24:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
Horrible. And do you know as well what's bad as as shipping the goals? is We don't look any the way. We're never scoring three. Our expected goals, if you combine the last 180 minutes of football, they add up to 0.75 of a goal, of an expected goal.
00:24:15
Oscar
No.
00:24:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
So, you know, and we're not even going to be scoring one, let alone three or four to get back in it. So what are we doing?
00:24:34
Oscar
To be fair, one thing I will say, Tall Paul nearly scored another header yesterday. And did you see his did you see his lovely banner?
00:24:38
Zak
yeah
00:24:41
Oscar
That was good.
00:24:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
No.
00:24:43
Zak
No?
00:24:43
Oscar
Oh, you've not seen this.
00:24:43
Zak
Tell us more.
00:24:45
Oscar
so Some Saints fans have made a banner for Tall Paul. I think it was in Tall Paul We Trust.
00:24:50
Oscar
Was that which... It's nice. I think, how many goals he scored? Two goals in three years?
00:24:50
Zak
that's nice.
00:24:54
Zak
Two. Again, Joe Erivo is still our top goal scorer. Our centre-back. Newly minted centre-back Joe Erivo.
00:25:01
Oscar
Our two centre-backs, because Benarek's second top, isn't he?
00:25:03
Zak
Yes.
00:25:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:25:04
Zak
So, that's heroin.
00:25:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
Harwood Bellis is on the list as well, and he's been out for, what, four five games?
00:25:06
Zak
Me and Greg were talking about
00:25:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:25:10
Zak
Talking about how Joe Eribo took place in a like European Cup final, not two sort of three, four years ago, playing as a striker.
00:25:11
Oscar
But, but,
00:25:19
Oscar
You've got to think about how Matty Fernandez, someone like him, must look at that and think, how has he got a banner? Or Carl Walker-Peters has been here for years and been like superb for years.
00:25:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:25:29
Oscar
and
00:25:29
Zak
Because he's a cult hero. And again, like it's it's the it's the small, the tiny narratives that we need to latch onto.
00:25:31
Oscar
Yeah, I think so.
00:25:35
Zak
And I know i bang on about that Sheffield United fan from TikTok. every other episode but it's true you have to you have to latch on to the small moments that give you joy and some of those are like what everybody wanting a redemption arc for tall pool because we bought him we spent a lot of money on him he didn't do anything he disappeared he came back people were mad that our strikers weren't firing they wanted to give him a chance they gave him a chance he played really well against that one game in liverpool where i think i've seen that montage now 100 hundred times And then he's he's managed to score a couple of goals. They've been really wet and terrible goals, just like he scored in the Belgian league. But it's a nice little bit of a...
00:26:14
Zak
a bit of a hope story, right? In between what is at the moment, just, just feels like it's, it's not even that it's chaotic. It just feels like a slow march towards the death of what we would expect our football club to be.
00:26:28
Zak
However, I also think that, you know, putting the fact that we're so Southampton focused aside, that is how I think a lot of people feel. As you pointed out yesterday, even Chelsea have got protests going on. And when they say about the fact that it's, they you know, that they,
00:26:42
Zak
they feel like they're taking it taking advantage. It's going to be the prices of stuff just keep going up and up and up.
00:26:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
Ticket prices.
00:26:47
Zak
Ticket prices, kit prices.
00:26:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:26:49
Zak
You know, we we mentioned it yesterday, Oscar, but when you weren't here, Greg was talking about taking his mum and maybe his missus to the Dell pub and then 40 quid for a mixed grill was enough for him to put be put off of that immediately. Like there is, I think, a outside of us, it is I think, a genuine fan thing where there is a feel that,
00:27:10
Zak
people that go and watch week work work week in week out are just being replaced and they don't really want those types of people at football and especially the bigger clubs that is far more evident but like it sometimes feels like the model they're trying to implement at St Mary's is similar you know the whole we want to redevelop that whole part of Southampton to you know which is admittedly St Mary's having a redevelopment is in the area and all of that area around it being burnt down industrial land having like a bunch of like clubs and and like you know uh restaurants and stuff would be lovely but again it's the as you keep pointing out it's like they it's almost like the football is a byproduct of the business and i don't think that we're the only club that suffer that but we never have the consequences of those actions been so evident in our football club because the they are just randomly getting managers that they like or they've picked the phone up to been like we'll just use that philosophy for the next few years
00:28:06
Zak
So, like, hashtag it can only get better? Hashtag we limp on?
00:28:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well, look, we've got
00:28:11
Oscar
The only way is up.
Reflection and Conclusion
00:28:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
We've got lots of time to think about the rest of the season and what comes next as we head into this a mini break as we've been knocked out of all of the other competitions. So lots of time on the trading pitch to prepare for for what's going to come next as we face Liverpool.
00:28:29
Zak
Maybe we'll have three centre-backs.
00:28:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
Who knows? Maybe. We can but hope. But in the meantime, that's all we've got time for today. We will be back tomorrow.
00:28:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
with something, maybe you will try for something a bit more positive and look back in the past or something. so As always, Oscar, Zach, thank you very much for joining me.
00:28:51
Zak
Bye.
00:28:52
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00:29:02
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