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Delving into Star Wars ATTACK OF THE CLONES with Cellan | 005
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Join Branwen and Seah as they deep dive into all things Star Wars! This season, we're on a rewatch of the OG Trilogy, Prequels, Sequels and maybe a cheeky spin-off! Follow along as we fly off exploring all the wonders and geekery of a Galaxy Far, Far Away, chatting nostalgia, worlds, lore, music, story, behind the scenes, and much more with each other and some very special guests.
In our fifth episode we celebrate "Attack of the Clones", the middle film of the prequel trilogy, full of intrigue, action, and very coarse sand. We're so excited to be joined by the wonderful Cellan, a theatre creative from Wales with a big passion for Star Wars and oodles of knowledge and insight. He's definitely on our wavelength, and we had so much fun reliving Episode II with him.
Sisters of the Force is a weekly, UK-based, Star Wars podcast, produced with joy and love by Seah and Branwen.
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Transcript
Favorite Star Wars Quotes
00:00:15
Speaker
Sia, what's your favourite line from Attack of the Clones? Okay, I've got a few, but we're going with Traitor. I will never join you, Dooku. Oh, that's some solid and sorry Jedi defense there. I think partly just because of the ridiculousness of the position that he's in when he says it. Yeah, 100%. Of like, Obi-Wan just suspended suspended in space, swirling around, handcuffed.
00:00:43
Speaker
And he's just so chill. He's so chill about it. i would not be that chill in that position. No.
00:00:52
Speaker
Brian went, what's your favourite line from Attack of the Clones? I'm just a simple man trying to make my way in the universe. Which I was going to do in a New Zealand accent, accent but... You decided not to, yeah. but that's not my It's not my speciality.
Introducing 'Sisters of the Force' Podcast
00:01:07
Speaker
You are listening to Sisters of the Force, and this week we are delving into Episode 2, Attack of the Clones. But more than that, we have a very special guest, and we're super excited because it's our first guest.
Guest Keshan Joins the Discussion
00:01:21
Speaker
Please welcome the amazing Keshan. Hello! Hello! ah welcome thank you so much you are so welcome it's really fun we we we only met like a month ago something like that we're meeting now so we are meeting now that is true this is a classic over the zoom meeting yeah yeah but the day the very day we met before the end of the day we had discovered this wonderful thing about each other
00:01:53
Speaker
it It was a magical moment, I have to say. It was. And there were many other people around at the time and they immediately glazed over when me and Kashan started talking about Star Wars in a lot
Exploring Star Wars Fandom
00:02:06
Speaker
of depth. This definitely tracks for you. my my My partner was looking at me like, come on, we need to go. We've got to got to go home. And I was just kept talking to Batman. Yeah. but yeah It was so exciting. When you meet a fan of that level in the wild, it is a moment.
00:02:24
Speaker
That is so true because people claim to be a fan and then they're not like super fans. Yeah, yeah, it's true. Yeah, once you go beyond like Han and Chewbacca or something, they've got no idea what you're talking about. I can't remember what were talking about, but there was some very specific background character
Star Wars Background Characters
00:02:39
Speaker
names. and Oh, yeah absolutely. one One of them is in this film. Oh, really? Yes. Do you want me to mention him now?
00:02:47
Speaker
Yeah, go for it. I brought up Kit Visto. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. I remember. This is going over my head, by the way, just so you know. Oh, see ya. Yeah. I'm going to be out my depth for the rest of this.
00:03:01
Speaker
It's going to be more obvious now there's three. Just come along for the ride to the dark side.
00:03:10
Speaker
Excellent.
Humorous Movie Line Insights
00:03:11
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um so So, by way of introduction, Keshan, do you have a favourite line from Attack of the Clones? I do have a favourite line from Attack of the Clones. hear it. And it's, I'm going to go home and rethink my life.
00:03:23
Speaker
That was on my list. Yeah, me too. as a As a freelance creator, I say it to myself every day. so I totally get it. I'm going to home and rethink my life. I thought you were taking it way too much to heart. I've thought that several times today. just ah think it's something we can all relate to.
Analyzing Attack of the Clones Opening Scene
00:03:47
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yeah Absolutely. You did mention in the pre-show that you have a least favorite line. I do. I do.
00:03:54
Speaker
I know. i' got a least favorite line and it's right at the beginning of the film. on. It's when the spaceship blows up and Cordae's dying in and she's like, I'm sorry I failed you, Senator. And I'm like, no, you've done a great job. this is a this This is your job to take my place when people try to kill me. yeah gosh ah i I thought that. I had that thought when I was watching it.
00:04:16
Speaker
I was just like, why are you apologizing? You're literally dying. like pop Stop. Stop. It's such a brutal opening. I mean, that segues brilliantly into like, let's talk about
Coruscant's Visual Style
00:04:29
Speaker
this opening. like We learned so much about Coruscant in the first like half an hour of this film.
00:04:34
Speaker
We get to see so many places. I'm obsessed with neon Coruscant, like the underworld areas with the neon signs. Oh, it's gorgeous. Alien faces on the kind of advertisements and stuff like that. It's so cool.
00:04:48
Speaker
It feels very Blade Runner to me. Very. And don't know why. No, I think Blade Runner pretty much is an influence, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I love the advertisement. The Star Wars advertisement is hilarious. Yeah. It's brilliant, you get to see loads of Arabesh, which is the the Star Wars font, which I've been trying to teach myself. i've got an app on my phone. I'm getting there.
Star Wars Cultural Influences
00:05:10
Speaker
Let's not glaze over that.
00:05:12
Speaker
um You'll notice on our logo, on the Sisters of the Force logo, it actually says Sisters of the Force with Branwen and Sia, I think, around the outside in Arabesh, which, you know. ah That is amazing. That's new levels. I did not find it on Duolingo, so I've not been able to learn Well, fortunately, it's not a language like with new words. It's only like our words. It's like English. Oh, I see But the the font, the g the glyphs, the you know the alphabet kind of thing is its own thing. So it's quite you just need to learn the alphabet, basically. And then you can code it
00:05:44
Speaker
Yeah, some of them are like in, there are some Far Eastern languages that have like hybrid letters, like in Hindi you have like TH, well in Welsh you have the. Yeah, in Welsh have it as well, yeah. Yeah, yeah, course. Double F and stuff. And some of the Arabesh letters are like compound letters, but mostly it's just a direct translation from the English letters.
00:06:05
Speaker
The reason I'm saying all this is because, i mean, we've kind of leapt a bit as we all immediately jump around the story.
Obi-Wan's Character Development
00:06:11
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yeah um that the The Outlander bar where the Death Sticks guy is.
00:06:16
Speaker
um great guy It's called The Outlander. And there's a sign above the doorway that apparently says The Outlander, but it's in a font that isn't Arabesh. And i've not like I've gone down a bit of an internet rabbit hole this week because it's, yeah as I've been learning the letters, it's sort of like poked out me like that isn't...
00:06:35
Speaker
That's not your average Star Wars sign. And I got as far as some Reddit threads and like nobody seems to know. so okay So some people speculated it's a bit like the Hutt language um or the Hutt alphabet.
00:06:50
Speaker
um And the Corellian alphabet as well, which are similar, sort of like weird slashes. It looks a bit like one of the Japanese alphabets, like the more handwritten one of the alphabet Japanese alphabets, which I think tracks with the whole George Lucas, you know, Japanese films being influence.
00:07:09
Speaker
Anyway, sorry, that was a very, very geeky tension to start. That that is great knowledge, though. I thought I was a big fan. you have surpassed me big time. Oh dear. She does that. It's downhill from here.
00:07:23
Speaker
So anyway, Coruscant generally. and Does anything else stick out to you in this like this opening sequence of like you know arriving on Coruscant and yeah the beginnings of this plot?
00:07:34
Speaker
So i had a I had a question right off the bat. My first note was, this is dramatic. Yeah. um This is so dramatic. Literal murder straight off the gate.
00:07:45
Speaker
We are straight in. But also, my thought then was kind of answered a little bit later on, but I'm not quite satisfied with the answer. Was, is there some kind of plot to... ah No, I know there's a plot. no That was the most ridiculous thing I've ever said. There many, many, many plots in this film. No, that's not what
Padme's Assassination Plot
00:08:06
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I mean. Sorry.
00:08:08
Speaker
Why are they trying to assassinate Padme? And is it about Anakin? Or is it is it to test him in some way? Or am I now just going so, you've set me up for this, but am I just going so like, no, there's another level to this where they know that this is going to happen. They know that there's a relationship between Anakin and Padme kind of bubbling and therefore Palpatine's now trying to test it by trying to assassinate him.
00:08:36
Speaker
Keshan, any thoughts? Or have I gone down the rabbit hole now? No, i know I think you are touching on something. because I think the main thing he's trying poverty is Palpatine's trying to get Padme out of the way so he can create the army because she's against it course. Of course.
00:08:53
Speaker
See, I knew you were the person for this question. All right. But he's always like plotting stuff for Anakin. So I think there is a little bit of that that comes in here. But I think the main reason was because because she's so against the Republic army and she's like yeah the one leading the vote to like not have it. So he's like, we got to give it to her.
00:09:12
Speaker
Right. i I've got you. Because then later on, we we see the Trade Federation lot being like, kill her. yeah Essentially. If I really boil it down, they're just like, yeah, get rid of her now. So then it's almost like they're doing it for them. But then I was like, there's not really a big enough reason for them to want her dead. I don't know. i mean, I think you're like bringing this idea of plot up at the beginning. and We joked about like, there are many plots.
00:09:38
Speaker
yeah like I kept writing the word intrigue in my light bullet points, like every five minutes. is like oh more intrigue and i feel that this film is the most like layered in palpatine palpstein has got this like overall plan and he's i think he's a good one for just like i'm just going to set this in motion and see what happens like i think he does a bit of that like he's got some like critical aims that he's trying to do but he's also like oh let's just let's just send obi-wan off here kind of thing see what happens um But he also is, i think he's got a lot of foresight and he can see what's going to happen.
Palpatine's Intricate Plans
00:10:11
Speaker
But of all the films, this is the deepest of that because Phantom Menace is only really just like formulating ideas, I think. um And then Revenge of the Sith, we see like the culmination of a of of the the end of the big plan, really. yeah like We're at the end of the Clone Wars and like all of the big plot is or finished.
Obi-Wan and Anakin's Relationship
00:10:30
Speaker
So this is the film where we get all of the little tiny threads that he's setting in motion. right um And so I'm sure, as Catalan just said, it's absolutely to do with her being the one who's trying to block the the Grand Army of the Republic. But at the same time,
00:10:47
Speaker
he's he kind of knows that even if that fails, because he he knows Padme as well, and he knows about the decoys, so he knows this is going to fail. So it'll also mean that this other side plot that he's got with Jango and Dooku and the cloners and everything else, that that's going to evolve into the Jedi finding out about the clone army. It all leads to all of the different places. It back to the same thing, yeah. I reckon Palpatine at home has got... At home? At home with
00:11:18
Speaker
I want to see his living room. He's got like, is all of the walls in the living room, I've got cork boards on with yeah with red string tying. Red string everywhere. There's lots of pictures of like Ewan McGregor. you know That's what my living room looks like. I'm just not sure.
00:11:38
Speaker
yeah Yeah, I mean, it's a
Star Wars Marathon Stories
00:11:40
Speaker
very dark opening. um It is dark, yeah. It's quite a dark film. I mean, there's a lot of fun in it, but there are lots of like quite heavy heavy bits about it. Yeah.
00:11:50
Speaker
So, yeah, we get this, like, there's there's this evident first level of intrigue. Who is trying to kill Padme? We know. behind the scenes that it's Palpatine effectively. But as far as the the Jedi and the pretend, you know, pretence of the Senate, yeah yeah we get this amazing story the which which starts really with Anakin and Obi-Wan. I was so invested in Obi-Wan this entire film. I haven't... So i need to contextualise this slightly because I don't think I've watched Attack of the Clones since...
00:12:29
Speaker
since we had that marathon day where we watched all of them. Which was like 10, 15 years ago. So so it's been a long time. And even then, because we did all of them in one go, there were six at the time. yeah I think there was I was just phasing in and out. I was confused.
00:12:48
Speaker
I was quite hallucinating. It was quite hardcore. It was amazing, but it was hardcore. Have you ever done that, Ketel? Have you done like a marathon? I have. I have done marathon. But I don't think we did it all in one day though. i think we did like one night though.
00:13:01
Speaker
So it's more like a Star Wars week than Star Wars day.
Personal Star Wars Tales
00:13:04
Speaker
Yeah, like a binge read. Like a binge Branwen's super organized. So she literally scheduled out what time we'd have to start them and what time we'd have finish them and when our lunch break was going to be. That's so me.
00:13:15
Speaker
Did you remember that you'd done that? No, but it doesn't surprise me because we've done we've done the Lord of the Rings extended like many, many times. Yes. And even with that, I'm unlike disck one like because most of them take two discs, like starts a thing.
00:13:29
Speaker
I think as well because of, I'll just drop this. We talked about it in the last week's podcast, I think. Yeah. But I did the whole six in Leicester Square yeah on the day that Revenge of the Sith came out.
00:13:42
Speaker
yeah Lucas introduced Revenge of the Sith at the end of the evening in the cinema. And that day, because it was a very, very difficult thing to get tickets for, like I had 10 browser windows open, and it was like 2000... or whatever it was.
00:13:56
Speaker
And because of that, they were like very strict about like you have to get stamps and on your hand or whatever, or we have like a little card thing that you filled up to show that you you know in case you went out of the cinema during the day and everything was to the minute because they also had the celebrity premiere going on in the other cinema in in Leicester Square at the same time, about half an hour before ours.
00:14:19
Speaker
Like they were kind of offset. So it all had to be to the letter so that by the end of the day, when Revenge of the Sith was going to play, Lucas had to know he had time to get over to our cinema. Okay.
00:14:32
Speaker
And you've just carried that through into life. Yeah, that's where I learned. I love that for you. This is how you marathon. And on top of that, because we were like staying in West London, like far out, you know, you've got to get the tube in to get in time for like 7am to watch A New Hope or whatever in central London. It was wild, like going into central London with commuters on the tube and they're all going to work at dawn and you're going to watch Star Wars all day. It was just the best. Yeah.
00:15:01
Speaker
That sounds like a wicked day. It was so good. I do remember when when we did the marathon day at yours, it was very much like we were there the night before, we wake up a specific time to come downstairs. You have to do it, otherwise he guess you you get too tired by the end. yeah that's true That's true. And that just ruins it then. It does.
00:15:19
Speaker
But yeah, that's the last time I watched this film. So, wow yeah. So it's a lot of intrigue to like take on board in one watching yeah after not having seen it for ages. Yeah, it was a lot of intrigue. So Obi, yeah, he is like, don't know, feels like it's his film in some ways. Oh, I loved it Every time he was on screen, I was like, you know what, this is great.
00:15:40
Speaker
I'm here. have Have you seen the um like ah memes of like, I put a picture of Obi-Wan from Attack of That's an amazing one. Yeah, when we first see him, it really, like his hair is just so kind of... It's amazing. It's so funny.
00:16:02
Speaker
There's some great ones of um them in the speeder that Anakin takes when he jumps out of the window and you know we've got that whole chase, which we need to talk about. yeah um There's loads of them like messing about in front of the blue screens, kind of dancing. There's some GIFs, I think, out there that you can find. Incredible.
00:16:19
Speaker
of Hayden and Ewan just basically like messing about, which I'm sure there was so much time for when you're waiting for like- come across as if they love each other, those two. They do. It comes across like they had a great time working together.
00:16:32
Speaker
think they did. It's really nice to see. It is, yeah. I think they probably saved each other's sanity a bit. Because it's, you know- It's a massive film yeah series. you know like The two films ah that Hayden was in were huge. Big productions, really difficult to act because it's all you know like CGI or so much of it was CGI and just so much pressure. And you've got Lucas, as we've mentioned before, he's not necessarily the best director of actors. like He's a genius, he's cinematic a genius, but he he doesn't he he's self-confessed.
00:17:05
Speaker
That's not his area of speciality. So he's trying to keep his head on all of the tech stuff. And so as actors, you're kind of left alone in this kind of like blue studio. Yeah. studio Blue studio being shaken in
Behind-the-Scenes Actor Camaraderie
00:17:19
Speaker
a speeder. Pretty much, yeah.
00:17:21
Speaker
So they must have like bonded over the like the ridiculousness of so many of the situations that they were in. Definitely. Did you see any of the pre-Obi-Wan Kenobi TV series stuff when they were like interviewing? Yes.
00:17:32
Speaker
He just looks so happy to be back because he got a lot stick, Hayden. He did, yeah. For his performances. So to see him come back, I was like, yes, he's back. Yeah. He's just like ignored those like people who hated his performance and just gone, no, I'm back. And also people love that he's back.
00:17:47
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because we loved him, you know, I mean, lot of us know like acting wise, some of it was the dialogue, you know, the written dialogue is not always that easy to like deliver convincingly. I have some notes.
00:18:00
Speaker
Yeah. When you said about your least favorite line, ah we'll we'll get to it. We'll get to it. Yeah, I've recently set up the Sisters of the Force pot um Instagram.
00:18:12
Speaker
So, by the way, if you're on Instagram, Sisters of Pod. Yeah, give us a follow. Go and find us. And with that account, I followed Hayden. And I've never followed him before, but he's posting about Star Wars all the time. And it's so wholesome and brilliant. oh Because, I mean, he's he's back in the mix. He's going to be in Ahsoka Season 2 again.
00:18:30
Speaker
Love.
Zam Wesell's Story Potential
00:18:32
Speaker
You can tell that he loves the fighting as well. And he's great at it. He's so good. I see the behind the scenes footage of him rehearsing his lightsaber deals are brilliant. Yeah. Amazing. Yeah, they certainly went for it, didn't they? Yeah.
00:18:45
Speaker
ah So this whole Zamwazel wrestle. um I think there's like you can pronounce any way you want. id Sam is one of my favorite characters.
00:18:56
Speaker
People often say, oh which background character would you like to see more of? She's my number one. I just think she's ace. Oh, interesting. Oh, wow. And she's actually one who hasn't been brought back a lot in terms like in a comic or a series. That's right. I don't see a lot of her. There's nothing much about her, I don't think.
00:19:13
Speaker
um She might have been in one comic, I think. I don't know. But like I don't follow the comics very closely. But i just love her, like this fate the shape-changing thing. like There's so much like potential for kind of mysterious bounty hunter like adventures yeah with the shapeshifter. like How cool. She used to scare me, actually, quite a lot.
Peculiar Star Wars Plots
00:19:31
Speaker
She still does me a little bit when she starts flickering in and out. Yeah, that used to really freak me out as a kid. I've got a very strong memory of it When I saw it again, I was like, o yeah, that freaked me out. Didn't like that. Yeah. Yeah, and it's like, there's not a lot of actual reason for it in the story. and There's no like no motivation. It's just is's just cool, which is a lot of Star Wars, to be fair, is that, you know? My question about her was, can she can she shapeshift into just the humour version, just the alien version, or can she shapeshift into anyone? Other things. Yeah, I wondered that. According to Wikipedia, she can shapeshift into anybody.
Bounty Hunter Hierarchies
00:20:05
Speaker
So as a bounty hunter, she uses that she often, shape apparently, she often... shapes speaking like in the last ah She often shapeshifts into the person she's hunting ah like as part of her technique, which is why I want to see more of like, how does that work in like yeah a weekly show where sure you know like a kind of procedural bounty hunter show, if such a thing could exist. Oh, she should have infiltrated Padme's apartment by pretending to someone. Pretending to be Padme or yeah Jar Jar or whatever. yeah
00:20:40
Speaker
Instead of those murder worms. that Okay, so the murder worms. The murder worms. We went past another one. I love that. Have either of you ever heard of a 1950s film called The Tingler?
00:20:52
Speaker
No. yeah it's like It's not a very well-known one. It's a black and white one. I actually had seen it, I think, before like back in the 90s or what I think when I was wide that when i was at uni or when I was doing media studies maybe okay i'm in sixth form. And yeah, it's a black and white sci-fi. Vincent Price is in it.
00:21:12
Speaker
was actually a good guy, I think. um And yeah, there's this whole... All sorts of things go on in it. It's a fairly terrible, you know as you can imagine, in black and white horror movie. But there are these creatures called the tinglets, which are what the the name of the film is.
Anakin's Jedi Growth
00:21:27
Speaker
ah And 100% they are worms are. Murder worms is incredible. yeah i can't I can't coin that phrase. I can't take it. I heard it on something else. Okay. You could have got away with that then. I know. I'm going to be truthful. You're too honest for your own good question. I like tinglers though. Tinglers is better. Yeah. yeah
00:21:51
Speaker
I mean, they literally look the same. I mean, well, not exactly the same, but they're like many legged kind of, you know, centipede looking creepy callies. Yeah, it's worth it. Go and check it out on YouTube. There's loads of clips of it. It's so fun. Okay.
00:22:04
Speaker
Talking about the tinglers and the murderers, how the hell did Anakin not chop Padme's head off when he got there? I guess that's the first like inkling we get of like Anakin's incredible skills. Yeah.
Star Wars Cultural Elements
00:22:21
Speaker
Because like last time we saw him, he was nine, ten years old, nine years old.
00:22:25
Speaker
Yeah. He hadn't learned anything. And then this is our like, here's Anakin. Wow, look at this. Slightly more grown up. It's phenomenal. It's such a Jedi thing to do. yeah
00:22:35
Speaker
and just like not use the force to lift them off you know but just like leap in with the dangerous cutting laser sword to the woman who love slash away so they're called kuhuns in the star wars galaxy k-o-u-h-u-n okay i only found out do we see them do we see them again in other things no don't think so no not that i remember no no fair enough they're pretty cool no more murder worms mean i guess there was only two in the whole galaxy yeah yeah that was it I wonder, like your question earlier about why did she bother with that when she could have just shapeshifted into like a handmaiden? yeah
00:23:18
Speaker
Because i think she's just like humoring Django because Django's like, take these murder worms. yeah yeah Use murder worms. We'll do this stupid plan first. you' You're paying for it. I don't care. Yeah, fine, whatever. I'll take the murder worms.
00:23:33
Speaker
That's another question. going list of band names though. I'm having that. Sorry, I'm going to carry on. Yeah. Sorry, yeah, catch on your question. so i was just going to say, who what I was confused was was that Django's been hired to kill Padme. Django's a bounty hunter, and he's hired another bounty hunter to kill Padme. So why did you just do it? Why have you hired someone else?
00:23:55
Speaker
It's the tangled webs of bounty hunter Weird chain of command going on. but There is a lot of subcontracting. I think it is to do with like retaining anonymity and stuff like that and like risk aversion.
00:24:09
Speaker
like Django does not want to be caught because of the whole clone plot. So he's just going to like farm this out. Subcontracting. yeah That makes sense. Not just tax avoidance. yeah yeah yeah Cash and hand job. No, Zam, you don't get money for this. No, no.
00:24:28
Speaker
They didn't pay. That's not how that works. He's just laundering through other round encounters at this point. Before we leap back to the Outlander pub, club, sports bar, has anybody got anything about the chase? I mean, the chase is like wild. Oh my God. Okay.
00:24:47
Speaker
The chase is, ah we do quite often talk about favourite sound design moments. That's it. yeah And actually i have a least favourite sound design moment in this one as well, which is... Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah.
00:24:58
Speaker
um But the vehicle noises are just, they're so good. They're so musical. That whole chase is such a, like... It's got a score in it as well, but actually what makes it even more musical is just the different vehicle noises happening. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:25:16
Speaker
It's lush. and Knowing that Ben Burr, I think Ben Burr, I don't notice if he edited this one. He edited Phantom Menace. Yeah. I think he edited this one as well. And so he's got that, like, his head is in the sound design.
Sound Design Appreciation
00:25:29
Speaker
Yeah. And Williams is like, he composes with the sound in mind. Like, I think they kind of cross...
00:25:35
Speaker
you know they collaborate in that sense yeah sure um yeah because in typical benbert start like all of the ships all of the speeders will have like a slightly different sound yeah um and so you get this like chorus of of ship sounds so good so we get to the bar yeah which we still don't know the font um if you do know the font send us a message We mentioned, I think last week, about the fact that on the screens in the background, yes there's some pod racing going on, which I was vindicated when I watched it. i was like, phew, I got that right. yeah yeah There's also various other sports, which I didn't... There's ah there's a pitch, like kind of like a match-type sport going on. I don't know what that was. didn't notice that.
00:26:20
Speaker
it droids rolling around or something? Oh, yeah. I thought that a race. Was it a race? Like a droid race? Oh, it could have been. Yeah, yeah. Droid race. Droid race. um And then I noticed for the first time, and I had to look it up to check, Ahmed Best is in the background one shot.
00:26:39
Speaker
So he now plays three characters. He plays Jar Jar, as we know. He's got this little cameo, and apparently the character's name is Ahmed Beck. Which is very much like his name, but in Star Wars, Star Wars applied version.
00:26:51
Speaker
And then he plays Keller and Beck, can't remember his name, who's the Jedi who rescues Goroogu. Oh, spoiler for Sia, because she's not seen all of... Anyway, he's got another character in this continuing...
00:27:08
Speaker
It's all right. I don't remember. So he's there briefly. Okay. I noticed that there's a lot of well, it obviously worked the other way around, that Canto Bight from The Last Jedi, that big scene in the the casino, the the fashion and the hair styling and everything is really similar to this bar. So there's probably a similar, don't know, this is like...
00:27:31
Speaker
50 years before that or something so maybe things go and cycle fashion wise yeah in the star galaxies they do here but it did feel a lot like canto bike there's like a lot of big hair almost kind of vibes and that's what's also making it feel quite blade runner yeah yeah because yeah 100 which you could probably then chase back from blade runner to like i don't know metropolis those kind of films yeah sure bit art
Romantic Dialogue in Star Wars
00:27:56
Speaker
deco-y kind of thing And then that's carried forward to this, which is carried forward to The Last Jedi. we've got this massive like inheritance of fashion influences. yeah Oh my God, this is a geeky podcast. This is a geeky podcast.
00:28:09
Speaker
One of the things I wanted to talk about a little bit was ah some of the dialogue. I noted down that it's it's really quite Shakespearean. Wow. And it's got quite a Shakespearean feel to ah the way they talk to each other.
00:28:24
Speaker
And it happens quite a lot at the beginning. And then it happens more later on with the romance stuff. It all gets very like yeah period Shakespearean bizarre.
00:28:36
Speaker
And i we've already talked about how much I have an aversion to the romance in this film. I think we mentioned that last time. was like, No, I'm not it. sure we'll be coming back to that. We will come back to it. I yeah i wrote down, one of my bullet points is m'lady.
00:28:49
Speaker
Yeah. Because multiple people say m'lady. Yeah. Sheev does at some point. And then I can't remember somebody else does later on again. It's all very like kind of sonnety and like a lot of the romance is very sonnety, declaration-y, very like...
00:29:06
Speaker
Yeah, big speeches. Very Shakespearean. I guess chose two words about the film, one of them would be intrigue and the other one would be romance, probably. And both of those things are very Shakespearean yeah by nature.
00:29:18
Speaker
like There's loads of Shakespeare plays just full of layers of intrigue. Intriguing, yeah. Palpatine style. Yeah. All of it. So that does track. Yeah.
00:29:29
Speaker
Yeah. And then the other thing I wrote down ah was loved, absolutely loved, and had forgotten how much Obi-Wan just completely wings the Camino trip.
00:29:40
Speaker
Yes. So yeah, let's let's get on to the Camino trip because he obviously, he's found out from ah joe Dexter Jetster, which is quite a bit of a mouthful to say. Dex is incredible. Yeah, we want more of him. We all yeah we do, we do.
00:29:54
Speaker
I've got a point about just before he gets to Camino, yeah he's gone to ask Yoda because he he can't find it on the system. And Yoda says, oh, well, yeah get get your map out, show you. And he tells the youngling to close the shades.
00:30:08
Speaker
but When I watched the film the other day, i put the subtitles on, the youngling's name is Liam. And I was like, what? He's like, Liam, the shades. I was like, who's Liam? Liam, a casual name drop. Just casual name drop. Liam, the youngling. It's like, wow, Liam.
00:30:25
Speaker
I did have a, that was a note of mine, actually, was was i love I love how Yoda interacts with the younglings. I want to be taught by Yoda. Yeah, definitely. It just feels like, OG Yoda again and I'm like ah because we didn't get any of that in The Phantom Menace he was yeah He was really quite hard-line. I didn't like him. but But back in this, I was just like, oh, yeah, there we go. That's that's the Yoda we know and love. Yeah, he is everything that a good teacher should be. like he He opens up to them all the time. He's really playful, yeah which is just really sweet. Yeah, that is a beautiful scene. I love the simplicity. I love the way Obi takes it. Obi-Wan could have taken it a bit bit. Like, stop patronising me. The little kid figures it out. know.
00:31:10
Speaker
So yeah, Kamino. Kamino is... Wild. Like, to me, it feels really other. It's like nothing like anything else in in Star Wars. and I remember seeing it the first time and feeling like, who are these aliens? You know, yeah it feels like it's really out of the way. And the fact that nobody's heard of it, like even Jocasta knew that the librarian woman who's like, no, it's not there. It doesn't exist.
00:31:30
Speaker
yeah And like, mostly I'm sure she knows like her planets and, you know, her sure geography and so on. So it felt like, are these people like right on the edge of known space or I don't know.
00:31:43
Speaker
Yeah. I remember seeing the trailer and thinking we were going to get Mon Cala like Admiral Ackbar's home planet. oh Everyone was like, the rumor mill back then. This is pre-internet properly. i mean, the internet existed, but it wasn't the joyful place it is today. It wasn't the internet of yesterday. But I remember people saying, are we going to get Mon Cala? And then it was somewhere completely different, which is fine.
00:32:06
Speaker
We got Mon Cala in the Clone Wars. True. That would have been so cool. I didn't even think about that. Yeah. I've got a story about Kamino. So Attack of the Clones came out when I was six. So I've got two memories of this film. I've got my adult, like faddle brain but yeah my thoughts of it, adult brain.
00:32:24
Speaker
And then I've got my six-year-old brain know and all of his thoughts. So obviously, huge Star Wars fan. And a few years later, i was, me and my friends, we were in a band and we were about,
00:32:36
Speaker
I can't remember how old you were, but still in school. And I was staying over my friend's house and his mum made tiramisu. And it was the first time I had tiramisu. And I said, oh, this is lovely, this lamisu.
00:32:49
Speaker
and And then years later, because and obviously, oh, that's not what it's called. I was like, what a stupid thing to say. and years later, I realized, oh my gosh, Lamassu is the prime minister of Camino.
00:33:01
Speaker
So that was embedded in my brain. didn't even know. he does and i mean, they've they've got a bit of a tiramisu vibe about them as well. They're kind of white and flurry every time I see them now. I bet that they make banging tiramisu. I bet they make a great
Design and Mystery of Kamino
00:33:17
Speaker
tiramisu.
00:33:20
Speaker
That's what all the clones are having in the yeah in the mess yeah i so there's only i think I mean, there's probably more, but I only know of three Camino and Names. And I can't remember but the other two now off the top my head. Tanwe.
00:33:36
Speaker
Nailed it. Tanwe. And then there's another one that I don't think is in this film, but is in The Bad Batch. Because there's a lot in The Bad Batch, there's loads set on Camino.
Sifo-Dyas and Clone Army Lore
00:33:45
Speaker
And i struggle to remember which is which. Because they're all like two...
00:33:51
Speaker
two short like one syllable words or maybe two syllable words that have like a lilting rhythm to them yeah um and they've all got a sort of a similar rhythm and it just i've struggled to remember them there's probably worse things that could happen to me getting a camino and name wrong i mean it's quite niche in it Yeah, it feels very mysterious. Right, so we need to talk about Cipherdeus. Okay, yes. oh yes Story-wise, Cipherdeus has always been a bit of a confusing thing to me. like Yes.
00:34:26
Speaker
He just seems to come out of nowhere. Yes. yeah And I've gone and done a bit of research and figured a lot of it out. The only thing I haven't figured out is where the money came from because somebody was someone's paying paying in the Camino. Yeah. Yeah.
00:34:41
Speaker
And obviously, ultimately, it's all Palpatine. He's set this whole thing up. like He's engineered the whole thing. And it involves Dooku. Dooku is behind it. He was friends with Sifo-Dyas, apparently. They're of a similar generation of Jedi, okay um because when Dooku was still in the Jedi Order, and Sifo-Dyas was as well.
00:35:01
Speaker
And then Dooku went off. And I think Sifo-Dyas got like s sent And Sifadis wanted to build an army of the Republic. Right. And the Jedi Council said, no, that doesn't align us. It doesn't fit with the Jedi way. So he ended up getting really frustrated and went off and set up himself.
00:35:21
Speaker
yeah So whether Palpatine manipulated that somehow or helped him fund it, I don't know. That's the one thing I've not been able to find out. Okay. But he did conveniently get sent off to the moon of Obadiah, which is where the Pike syndicate, a base Pike syndicate, we were talking about the crime families last week. Yeah, we were. Yeah, a little bit. Or the week before. Yeah, about like Crimson Dawn and yeah the Hutt cartel and all of that. Well, the Pike syndicate are another one of them. Cool. we Did we see them in Obi-Wan? We saw them in the Book of Boba Fett a lot. Okay. Okay.
00:35:51
Speaker
Anyway, they they took him out. um He went to their moon and and they killed him. So they were probably on the bankroll of Palpatine through various, like, let's get rid of the evidence just to make more intrigue.
00:36:05
Speaker
I'm sure he's just like weaving intrigue for the hell of it at this point. Yeah, sure. Just hit some more layers. Yeah. Here you go. So yeah, the the financing of it is still a bit baffling, but...
00:36:16
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I mean, a lot of people complain about all the intrigue, but I love the fact that it's so multi-layered that you can't figure out.
Obi-Wan's Geonosis Investigation
00:36:22
Speaker
I feel that's yeah really kind of on brand for Palma Team. What's going on? I spent a lot of it being a bit like, what's going on?
00:36:29
Speaker
And then it wasn't really helped because that whole plot is interspersed with bits that I forcibly remove from my brain because I can't deal with the cringe. Yeah. yeah and just god I mean, the Seifu Diaz stuff as a six-year-old was impossible to understand.
00:36:47
Speaker
i My brain went, because he said, oh he died 10 years ago. And I went, I think they're referring to Qui-Gon Jinn. They just call him something else. Makes sense. Yeah. So then I kept thinking Seifu Diaz was Qui-Gon Jinn. You're like, wait. I'm not. I was six, though. Yeah. I mean, I would have been 25, 26, something like that.
00:37:10
Speaker
And I had the same... I think I did the same thing on first watching. I think I was like, so are they talking about quite... Because it is about that... this Maybe not quite that long. They do just drop them in randomly.
00:37:21
Speaker
They do. And also, Star Wars has that thing of like and your different names. Count Dooku's Da Tyrannis. So I was like, way oh, does it just have a different name? Wait, what?
00:37:33
Speaker
okay Yeah, his Sith name. His Sith name is Tyrannus, which, more intrigue, Jango says that to Obi-Wan. He says, i was employed by Tyrannus.
00:37:47
Speaker
Oh my God. Okay, well, I didn't know. We'll make that connection. I don't think that's ever explained in the film, that Dooku is Tyrannus. No. Or it's not like they don't say it out loud.
00:38:00
Speaker
They do. Yeah. Because no one calls Dooku Tyrannus in the film, do they? Oh, no. Palpatine does right at the end. In that scene in the work in like the industrial district. Yeah. I think he does maybe call him Tyrannus there.
00:38:13
Speaker
can't remember. Yeah, you might be right. Because I feel like I had a feeling of like, oh, in that last scene of like, that's who we're talking about. went mean completely over my head. Yeah.
00:38:24
Speaker
That's funny you say that though, Catalan, because we've been talking a lot in in most of our, not a lot, but we've mentioned it in a few of our episodes, how lots of things in Star Wars have multiple names.
Significance of Sith Names
00:38:34
Speaker
and Yeah, which double names. I mean, and this is a particular thing because it's like a Sith Lord having, you know, their original name and then their Sith name, which is ah is a thing that we know Anakin Skywalker, Darth Vader, Darth Sidious, Chief Palpatine, you know, that that is a thing. But we've been talking about it in terms of like,
00:38:52
Speaker
but say Oh, droidecars. ohro dickers and people couldn't destroy it Yeah, Yeah. And some weapons as well. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, the Tuscans and the Sand people. And Sand people, yeah. Oh, yeah. so Which I really love all of that. I mean, that doesn't relate to the Da Tarana stuff particularly, but it does imply this kind of sense of realism. And and I think like the deep intrigue and the and the way they just drop something in without ever referring to it again is very Star Wars as well. like Yeah. Yeah.
00:39:19
Speaker
Obi-Wan in A New Hope saying, you know, I fought with your father in the Clone Wars. Like, looking back now, yeah, of course we know all of that. But like, when that film came out, nobody had a clue. And we were just like, wait, what? What's the Clone Wars? You know? Will we ever find out about that? It drops so much stuff in that it's just like, of like, casually, yeah, of course that happened. And you're like, as a viewer, you're like, wait a second. We haven't heard anything about it. It gives you a sense of realism because life is kind of like that. You know, it's like,
00:39:50
Speaker
Yeah, that's true. Some science fiction and fantasy films, they'll only tell you the stuff you need to know about, which is cool because, you know, probably makes for a more streamlined, accessible film. But Star Wars, it's all about the background stuff. It just doesn't care. It just does it. Yeah. Just give us all of the character names, you know. Sure.
00:40:07
Speaker
Okay, well, I've learned something. Yeah, Darth Tyranus. That's one of the best Sith names for That is a good Sith name. I've heard that name, but I just never made the link.
Seismic Charges Sound Innovation
00:40:16
Speaker
It makes me think of Thunder, because ah Thunder in Welsh is Tyranai. Ah, excellent. Yeah, so I always think of Darth Tyranus. I always think of Thunder.
00:40:26
Speaker
And he's got that Force Lightning thing, so that's kind of... There's a bit of Star Wars in Welsh. I love that. Love, love, love that. but That is what we're here for. I wonder if like a Tyrannosaurus Rex name comes from Celtic origins. that's cool.
00:40:41
Speaker
Yeah, interesting. Right, got any... Darth Tyrannosaurus Rex. Got any etymologists that want to come and talk to us? there's Tyrant, isn't there? Tyrant as well. Yeah, yeah. That's where Tyrannosaur comes from. Probably Latin or something.
00:40:56
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i had a ah I had another note about another amazing sound that I really liked was the yeah seismic charges that oh my gosh Jango Fett tries to get Obi-Wan with. They sound incredible.
00:41:10
Speaker
I think that's the best sound in all of Star Wars. It's good one. Yeah, I've heard that said. I've definitely heard that said. It's amazing. It's such a satisfying sound. I loved it. That whole scene I really liked, actually, from yeah fleeing Kamino and like him chasing him through an asteroid field.
00:41:27
Speaker
Had some great dialogue. yeah really enjoyed it. There was a little evil, evil child laugh from Boppa. Yeah, Boppa. It's like, mate. Menace. He's such a nasty kid. yeah And you're like, you kind of get it because you can see who his dad is, but also like, what is happening? Like as somebody who, you know, you've you've seen Slave 1 in Empire.
00:41:53
Speaker
Yeah. And it's a weird looking ship. It weird. is weird. But we haven't seen very much of it. So to get to see the cockpit and like how Boba's sitting back in the seat, we get to see more of that and in the Mandoverse coming up.
Star Wars Spacecraft Design
00:42:09
Speaker
And the way it kind of all rotates and stuff is so cool. Such a brilliant design. It's a mad design. It's a crazy design. Yeah, in a good way. In a good way. ah you got Drop that in. It is, yeah.
00:42:25
Speaker
I was also wondering about Obi-Wan's ship at that point because it's got that big ring around it that he just detaches from occasionally. What does he do with the big ring when he's not using that? It's a hyperspace ring because his ship hasn't got hyperdrive. It's only little fighter. like so you go into the thing.
00:42:42
Speaker
It's a bit like a booster rocket, you know, when yeah rockets take off. Where's he storing that? It just stays there. It just floats. It just stays there. yeah has to get back when he want to He'll come back out of the atmosphere, find it again hook up to it and then you can hyperspace back to wow wherever else you want to go. Okay, that makes sense. Very cool design.
00:43:01
Speaker
Speaking of cool design, just while we're on that topic, because it probably won't come up otherwise, Dooku's like little fighter at the end that he goes off in. yeah. Right at the very end of the film. And he's got those sails, like a kite almost. Yes, yes. Which is a legit scientific way of space travel, apparently.
00:43:18
Speaker
What? They're talking about using it as a way, like it's a really fuel efficient way. Yeah. of getting interstellar, you know, traveling interstellar distances. Wow. In fact, I think in the film Interstellar, they might even talk about it.
00:43:33
Speaker
Like it's, yeah, using the rules of physics and stuff. Because once you're moving in space, yeah you don't stop. So it's a bit like a hot air balloon. You just kind of like use the momentum of it and then it just carries you indefinitely across huge interstellar distances. yeah That's cool.
00:43:52
Speaker
Geeky. More geeky.
Anakin's Emotional Journey
00:43:54
Speaker
Yeah, actual science in Star Wars, which mostly Star Wars just forgets science. um Like but if it was if we had real science in Star Wars, we wouldn't have the seismic charges.
00:44:05
Speaker
so Yeah, i know. And that's rubbish. so That is true. We love sound in space. We do love sound in space.
00:44:14
Speaker
So I had another question. Yeah. And this is a question about Owen Lars, because we go back to tattooing. Oh yeah, we're doing like the back and forth here, aren't we? Yeah, so we go we go back to Tatooine and we meet Owen Lars for the first time.
00:44:27
Speaker
And um then my question was, he's the master of C-3PO at that point, but then obviously re-meets C-3PO again A New Hope.
00:44:41
Speaker
Does he recognize him? well, there's a lot of protocol droids out there. Oh, he's good. I think we're just led to you know. Led to believe he doesn't.
00:44:53
Speaker
People ignore. People ignore that bit. used to have you know, Ford Fiesta or whatever. yeah
00:45:02
Speaker
Yes, then. This is a slightly different form answer. I mean, that's a valid point. There's a lot of speculation about R2 and 3PO and what they've seen and what they remember. Yes.
00:45:12
Speaker
I mean, 3PO suffers way more memory wipes. I think R2 has managed to avoid memory wipes for many, many years. Yeah. But 3PO does say something that suggests he's, because he still remembers Anakin, doesn't he? So he's not had a memory wipe since.
00:45:26
Speaker
He remembers Anakin when he comes back. Anakin made him, but then in the meantime... But he definitely gets wiped in Revenge of the Sith. Yeah. I think once Princess Leia got hold of him as well, like he probably had multiple memory wipes.
00:45:39
Speaker
yeah I can't remember if they've covered it in the comics. I've got a vague memory of Darth Vader holding Threepio's head after he was shot in Empire Strikes Back in Cloud City. yeah. I can't remember. You'll have to Google it. and But i feel like they covered it, kind of, that he did be like, it's you. Wow. That's... Yeah, if I'm wrong, I'm so sorry. now that's deep. That is deep. Deep lore. If that isn't a comic, it should be. That's serious. Yeah.
00:46:13
Speaker
Yeah, I think, i mean, as far as Owen goes, Owen is not a droid kind of a guy. No, no. So he would just see it as a tool and one tool is very much like another. And particularly protocol droid is not his area of expertise. Beru would possibly be more likely to, but she yeah she probably never even met 3PO.
00:46:31
Speaker
No, she's there as well. but i mean Oh, in the set New Hope. In the New Hope, yeah. Because she didn't make it. To the point where she actually got to see the droids they'd just spent all the money on.
00:46:43
Speaker
yeah Oh, gosh. Too soon. That was hardcore.
00:46:49
Speaker
I did also have my favourite music moment also happens on Tatooine. Does it? and And it is when Anakin's on the speeder to go and find Shmi, I think now that piece of music. That is a great bit. Cinematography. I love that. That's good. love that scene.
00:47:06
Speaker
but the The sunset behind him as he flies through the... through the canyons i've got a note about that actually it sounded like duel of the fates a little bit yeah it does a little bit is it is it due to the face or just not quite they do i mean there are themes popping up all over the place
Romance Scenes on Naboo
00:47:25
Speaker
um i've got some bits later on about where they've reused different themes at different times it is quite jewel of the fatesy though Oh, yeah. But I don't think it it's not as texturally huge as Duel of the Fates is. No, no. But it's like a stripped back version.
00:47:42
Speaker
Yeah, okay that's that's what I got. But it is getting quite dark and it's like, oh, there we go. That's the only way I can describe it. We need to go back for my favourite music bit. We've gone past it.
00:47:57
Speaker
um Generally, I do love the... love theme, the Pardon Me Anakin. I think we've I've heard it a lot because it's they use it all the time in the audiobooks. So I'm kind of constantly hearing it, but I do love it. But a particular iteration of it is when they're back on Naboo, which I need to talk a bit more about Naboo, actually, even though it's So a bit hard going.
00:48:21
Speaker
There's the bit where they're on the veranda looking over the the lake and um we get my least favourite line in the film, which I think is a fairly common least favourite line in Star Wars.
00:48:33
Speaker
I don't like sand. Yeah. Oh, my God. Thanks. um and the whole bit that he leads into but anyway at that point when he touched it do they kiss i think and then yeah they do yeah and then the then music does like a ah record taking the needle off kind almost like a needle scratch it's like we're just getting into the strings of the love demon and he just goes so good ah so good
00:49:00
Speaker
We don't need to stay on that bit, but I do want to shout out to Padme's dress in that scene. because I had a note about her dress. I was like, but why is she suddenly dressed like an Elizabethan maiden? What's going on? I don't know and I don't care. It's gorgeous. It's like pastels.
00:49:16
Speaker
I've seen cosplayers like, I think you can go and buy it. There's like a brilliant cosplay shop in London um that you can get mail order. And I think they do it, um but probably not in my height. But it's... um Yeah, it's beautiful colours. But the scene which, although it makes me cringe, I also love it is what I'm going to call the Bollywood scene, which is when they're out in the field with the grazing creatures. Yes.
00:49:41
Speaker
It is so much like I keep waiting for them to break into like a Hindi song. Because it's so at Bollywood, the way it's shot, which I think is intentional. I'm sure it's like Lucas referencing Bollywood movies because Lucas has got a massive range of stuff that influenced him, and I'm sure Bollywood is one of them.
00:49:59
Speaker
um But i love the fact that he's riding on the beast, and he clearly fails his beast riding role in the role-playing game. And tumbles off of it. But it's a beautiful foreshadow of when he's on the back of the reek with the chain. you did I did clock that this time. Yeah, I'd never noticed it until this time.
00:50:18
Speaker
That was my first like... oh I've never noticed him until just as you said it. I noticed it. i I noticed the parallels, but I'm just always so like watching through my fingers at that point because I just... I'll tell you what's probably the joy about that scene is the meme.
00:50:37
Speaker
Yes. That's one of my favourite memes of all time. Also, this was like, um i reminded me of it, but also i I did have a conversation with a friend recently.
00:50:49
Speaker
Yeah. Like, Padme's a... She's a very intelligent woman and she ignores some pretty major red flags. Just like, come come on, what are you doing?
00:51:04
Speaker
but She also makes the ridiculous mistake of wearing her, like, sexiest garment by firelight, you know, like after their intimate dinner that they've just had. And then say, but we can never do this, Anakin. Yeah. We could never make this work. Oh, God.
00:51:23
Speaker
It's so just... Robot Chicken have done a great sketch of that. Have they? I'm sure they have. That sounds great. Check it out. It's funny. I'm definitely going to have to check that out. Yeah. Sorry, we put Naboo to bed. Sorry, I had to go back there for the needle drop. Yeah, yeah, fair. Like, there's some really beautiful, like,
Lesser-Known Naboo Characters
00:51:43
Speaker
scenery. It is beautiful. It's just so cringy that I'm just... Yeah, yeah.
00:51:47
Speaker
Ooh, can I give a shout-out to a character from Naboo who's not in the film? Yeah. yeah So when I was watching this film for the first time as six-year-old, so obviously... I'm like, the world is simple.
00:51:59
Speaker
And in Phantom Menace, you've got Captain Panaka, who's like her bodyguard. And this film, you've Captain Typho. And as a six-year-old, I was like, that guy's different. Why is he different? Why is he different guy?
00:52:11
Speaker
And then obviously, as an adult, like, well, because it's it just a different person altogether but i went off to google what happened to panaka because he's never seen again and his law is awesome he becomes an imperial moth moth not moth what hang on what but i'm having imperial moth as a band name as well actually just an annoying flying moth
00:52:38
Speaker
He becomes an imperial moth. Wow. Yeah, it's really cool. And then he gets some he gets assassinated by Saw Gerrera's people. oh my gosh. The story, I think, is either in the novel or in a comic where they've brought him back.
00:52:54
Speaker
And I was like, that is an awesome story for that character. Yeah. so And it totally scams because like he was he's from Naboo, Palpatine's from Naboo. like Yeah, he was ah you know a known military type character.
00:53:06
Speaker
Mm. Character from a world that didn't really have much in the way of military. Yeah. Yeah. And so, yeah, he would have been drafted straight into the, to the Imperials. But the fact that he managed to work his way because he probably comes from money, because Naboo seems to have.
00:53:19
Speaker
Yeah. Loads of wealth. Yeah. By his way and, and like use his influence. Wow. Sure. I know. Check it out. I'm glad I've given him the shout out. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. I loved him in Phantom Menace. He was really cool. Oh, same, same. Because as a six-year-old, I was so confused. was just like, why I don't get it. What's happened to the other guy? He yeah he wasn't dead. He survived. So where is he? Yeah. It all makes sense now. Because he's also not there.
00:53:43
Speaker
When they do go back to Naboo and the new queen is there, he still isn't there. He's not, like, stayed in the position of protecting the queen. The guy is just gone. Gone, yeah. He's gone.
Anakin's Dark Side Hints
00:53:54
Speaker
So we have for Anakin committing genocide, which is yeah pretty horrific.
00:54:01
Speaker
um There's a bit where we see Yoda like sensing it. yeah yeah And we hear the Imperial March, possibly for the first time. I don't know, it can't be for the first time.
00:54:13
Speaker
No, i don't think it is. Oh, is it first in Kamino when Obi-Wan first sees the army? Yeah, be yeah I think it's there. But it is just a little bit. And then when Anakin's telling Padme about it. Also horrible. yeah Red flag, woman, run, run. And it's not just what he's saying, it's the way he's saying it. Oh, my God.
00:54:34
Speaker
She gives very, I can fix him energy. And I'm like, no, we don't do that anymore. Come on. That's exactly what's going on, isn't it? yeah That is probably Padme's most questionable moment. She just goes, oh, well.
00:54:48
Speaker
I mean, I think, yeah, vis Revenge of the Sith, when he's got his long hair and stuff, I think there's a lot of like, well, leave just look at the guy, you know? We'll take a couple of red flags. No, no, no.
00:55:05
Speaker
But we yeah, when when he's telling that story about, you know, not just the not just the adults or whatever it is. Not just the men, the women, the children. Yeah, that's the one. We hear the emperor's theme, like the choral.
00:55:21
Speaker
Yes. Which is really sinister. Yeah, yeah creeping definitely. Another ah sinister thing is also in my notes, but ah in the meantime, while all this is going on, Obi-Wan's gone to Geonosis and we have the most villain villain meeting.
Villainous Meeting Breakdown
00:55:42
Speaker
Yes. That I have ever seen. i was like, oh my goodness, have have you seen a more villainous villain meeting? This is textbook. It's pretty awesome.
00:55:53
Speaker
Talking about sound design, the the voices of those guys are hilarious. Oh, they're amazing. You've got that like robot guy and then the banking clam. Yes. So the banking clan, like I remember being really struck by them because they're quite eerie looking with their like thin faces.
00:56:09
Speaker
um But now that we found out about Plagueis as well, spoiler warning, that's his race, apparently, which was in in the Legends books originally established. um But they have carried it forward, which we'll probably get to at some point. It's now canon that he was moon Moon, which I feel, you know, my surname nearly is the same.
00:56:31
Speaker
Not that want to be associate associated with Ah, it's Branwen from the banking clan. Oh, I bet there's a banking plan t-shirt I need to get on. You do need to get that. I just need to lean into it.
00:56:46
Speaker
Do you have any kind of like, like a toy of the guy or anything? No, no, haven't got any yeah connected stuff. I need to get some. Yeah. I can i can't can't think of what I've seen. like I can't think of a toy or something seen of them.
00:56:59
Speaker
There probably is an action figure. There will be one. Yeah, there should be, because they are really weird looking. They are really weird. but holt But all of the races in there. Yeah, we've got the Ginosans with the... They're incredible. Amazing language.
00:57:14
Speaker
Which, as ah was it last week, we talked about the um battle droids, the V1s, the Roger Rogers. like They look like the Geonosians. Like the Geonosians who built them have like built them in there like in their image, almost. In their image, yeah.
00:57:30
Speaker
I haven't even noticed that before. That is... Oh, that's a good point. So cool. I mean, it's got to be intentional.
Geonosian Culture and Architecture
00:57:36
Speaker
But yeah, they've got that kind of elongated head on a sort stick neck.
00:57:40
Speaker
And the way they walk, even like they've got backward jointed legs and the battle droids walk in a bit of a kind of, well, clankers as their nickname is. They look a bit uncomfortable in in that kind of walking and they're walking with strange joints. yeah I loved all of all of the buildings in Geonosis. I just love you all of like...
00:57:59
Speaker
they were really ramming it down your throat that this these are the bad guys. Yeah. like But their architecture is beautiful. Yeah. It's like hive kind of termite yeah constructed. Yeah. But very elegant and like lots of arches, like those pointed arches. One scene that really stands out from when...
00:58:18
Speaker
I was a kid. I remember it as a kid. I remember loving it then. And I was like, ooh, will I like it in the same way? But actually, I do really like the whole droid factory yeah scenes. I find all of that is is great.
00:58:30
Speaker
And another note on that, question.
Droid Intelligence Debate
00:58:35
Speaker
Quite early on there was a comment about droids not being able to think. Yeah, this a great point. But then... r to clearly can think somewhat because he literally saves them again. yeah And he does this constantly. Like he's always destroyed, but he's always saving them.
00:58:55
Speaker
I think there's an illusion. The reason that people think that droids can't think, and it's kind of a sort of an AI type scenario, I think. Droids generally across the galaxy are subject to memory wipes on a regular basis. Right. And I think this is where they don't accumulate knowledge.
00:59:12
Speaker
ah Because has escaped memory wiping for so many years, even by this point, he's like already thinking for himself. like He's AI gone off the charts kind of thing. Okay.
00:59:23
Speaker
I think that's the idea of it. That's of what it is, yeah. i mean, that's a good explanation. Yeah. I mentioned a few weeks ago about that story about Eve 99 from Jabba's Palace. yeah um Have you come across the um A Certain Point of View books, Ketlan? No. They're books of short stories that they've they've released, which are, they've done the original trilogy so far. like So there's one book for A New Hope, one book for Empire, and one book for Jedi. And they're like a collection of short stories written by all the different authors. Some of them are like authors that write a lot for Star Wars, but there's also loads of other sci-fi writers that have been sort of drafted in.
00:59:59
Speaker
And they pick a random background character and they write a short story about them. Oh my God, that sounds amazing. yeah Ketlan sat there Googling away just for the listener. And the story about Eve 99, she's the droid in Jabba's basement who is overseeing, who like recruits.
01:00:18
Speaker
3PO is the protocol droid and sends Arto off to you know the one with the monotone. You'll fit in nicely, that droid. That's such a good impression. Yeah.
01:00:30
Speaker
In her, like, um a certain point of view backstory, she figures out that, I don't if it's R2 or 3PO, hasn't had their memory wiped. And she's like, you've just you've developed personality and like memories.
01:00:43
Speaker
I need to figure out how to do this. So she's, like, plotting to avoid her weekly memory wipe.
Aspiring Star Wars Writers
01:00:48
Speaker
as a result of meeting R2 and 3PO, which is an awesome like backstory for her, especially she then turns up in in the cantina in The Mandalorian. I love that.
01:01:00
Speaker
It's so good. and How do you become one of these writers? I don't know, but I have have somebody I'm friends with on Facebook who is one of the writers. What? She's an amazing like sci-fi writer from San Fran who, um yeah, I met through like the trans community.
01:01:17
Speaker
But then the other day i was listening to it, and ah the audio book, and it was like, such and such a story by Charlie Anders. And i was like, what?
01:01:26
Speaker
You know, when you find out something, but like, i know somebody who's created something that I'm listening to and it's now part of my world, like my inner world of Star Wars. Oh, would love that job. Yeah. Amazing, isn't it? Yeah. I have a Star Wars TV series that I'm writing for my own pleasure.
01:01:46
Speaker
Excellent. So to become any kind of writer for Star Wars would be a du dream. Oh my gosh. Dream it and do it, I say. doing just do it there's no reason why somebody's gotta write it somebody's gotta the shout out I'm gonna give to the background character who could have a story he's not even seen he's just heard of Padme says about Paolo the guy she fancied as a 12 year old woman artist I wanna see that guy Right. I was going to bring this up as well. and We did mention it again last week. There is a trilogy of books called the Queen's Trilogy.
01:02:24
Speaker
Queen's Shadow, Queen's Peril, Queen's... remember what the last one is. somewhere they about pardon may um And and her handmaidens. It's more about the handmaidens than anything. And the middle book, I think, is like a ah flashback prequel.
01:02:38
Speaker
to the other two. So like you're introduced to like the situation where Padme is now a senator and her handmaidens are still working for I think. And then in the second book, we go back and we find out her as a kid.
01:02:50
Speaker
So it could be that Paolo might be in it. ah I have listened to it, but I can't remember whether he came up or not. More research needed. I'm going to need to re-listen. It's a good trilogy. It's a really good trilogy you get. Is it canon?
01:03:04
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. It's recent. Amazing. It's in the last five years or so. The same woman, I think, wrote the entire trilogy. um So we find out about Cordae and Sabe and Yane and all i love It's really good. You've got homework. I want to know if Paolo is a successful artist. Yeah. Yeah. yeah What happened to Paolo?
01:03:24
Speaker
Where's his art? Where can I get it? What? probably designed half a feed you know he's like either that or maybe he designed the lake dress maybe knows maybe she didn't admit to that that would be a great easter egg in a film or series like there's there's something on the wall and you can see little inscription paolo that'll be oh i've got a paolo i love it okay so i guess we're nearly at we need to be in geonosis yeah we go we're on geonosis we're nearly at the piece of sound design that i dislike okay which is it's a great piece of sound design but it hurts i don't like it um which is the screechy creature that tries to kill obi-wan Oh!
01:04:14
Speaker
Is that the praying mantis? The crabby mantisy one, yeah. it? He's awesome. I had a toy of him. Did you? yeah Yeah. He came with like guts in him. You could take guts out. So you could gut him? Yes. Which is funny, because that doesn't happen in the film. No, it doesn't, does it? Some twisted sword. We were talking last time about I had a Darth Maul that was magnetised so you cut him in half.
01:04:38
Speaker
Oh my gosh, that's brilliant. And we lost his legs. so So... did he yeah exactly never to be found again yet maybe you could write that story yeah yeah
01:04:55
Speaker
ah yeah I'm going to be hassling you to write. keep Because i've I've worked with your writing. like The reason we know each other is through your writing. And I love your writing. I want you writing Star Wars, please. yeah yeah I'd love to.
01:05:08
Speaker
i've got i love picking up background characters and making something of them. So when you said about that series, I was like, yes, absolutely.
Variety in Star Wars Storytelling
01:05:15
Speaker
It's brilliant. It's so good because like each of the short stories are in a completely different style. there's There's a great one about Max Rebo, which is like a kind of...
01:05:24
Speaker
He's kind of like in this kind of blues. it It feels almost like a kind of speakeasy, early 1900s in New Orleans, like gangster-y. It's amazing. Like they're all very different stylistically to suit the character. And is it, certain point of view, is that series? Yes.
01:05:42
Speaker
And then the Queen one was a totally different series? Yeah, the Queen one is like just a separate series, just a trilogy about the Handmaidens. Oh, I see. What was that called again? The first one's called Queen's Shadow, I think.
01:05:55
Speaker
Got it.
01:05:57
Speaker
That's one of the many. I think it's the first one. Yeah. they They're a good trilogy just as a good trilogy. of It's like young adult young adult novels, so they're quite easy to read. But they're they're pretty deep um and good drama.
01:06:10
Speaker
At a certain point of view, is just easy to dip in and out of. And the audiobooks of those are great as well. They've got different readers reading like most of them. some of them are really dark and some of them are really funny.
01:06:22
Speaker
Some of them are really light. Yeah, there's all sorts. it's really We've tangented. yeah I'm going to bring you back slowly. Genosis. jena The The arena.
01:06:34
Speaker
ah My question, another question.
Padme's Resourcefulness and Jedi Highlights
01:06:37
Speaker
Whose idea was it to try and execute Jedi like this? ah Because yeah they're probably going to get fired. Because that's not...
01:06:47
Speaker
No. Although, to be fair, the one who does the best is the one who isn't a Jedi. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, true. Padme is on it. She kills it. Padme is a badass in this film. She is. She's great.
01:07:00
Speaker
yeah I love her in this film. She's just yeahs always doing something cool. I love her as long as she's not talking to Anakin. LAUGHTER
01:07:12
Speaker
ah No, she is she is awesome. Like, she's just the hairpin trick. It's amazing. Oh, yes. yeah So good. We've got a good amount of banter. Good amount of... Good amount of banter. So we're heading into this amazing bit where, like, a first where it's a two-tiered amazing bit. The first being the Jedi, right? Like, seeing Mace walk through the to kind of corridor. parties over This That was my second choice for line of the film. So dramatic.
01:07:48
Speaker
And then to see that many Jedi yes yeah like in one place with lightsabers lit, we've never seen that since and we'll probably never see it again. It's so cool. Yeah, true.
Jango's Death Scene Details
01:07:58
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And the first appearance of the purple lightsaber.
01:08:00
Speaker
Yes. yeah Yeah. Yeah. I love it. That whole sequence. I was watching Dooku for a lot of it. He's just so unbothered. Yeah. By like the whole thing. He definitely fits with Palpatine in that way of like overconfidence. Yeah. Yeah.
01:08:19
Speaker
He had a very slight reaction to Django's murder, but that was it Django's murder is great though. yeah That is a great death. Because when I watched something on YouTube the other day that said that Lucas put and little sparks on his jet pack on the DVD release and digital release, because it wasn't obvious what was going on when he died. Because I thought the first time watching, oh, he is a bit stiff. But he, you know, is he, when the the dinosaur thing like tramples over him, it damages his jet pack. And when Windu goes to kill him, you can see he tries to ignite it to like lift off. yeah So he thinks he's going to go, but then he dies.
01:08:57
Speaker
And it makes way more sense when you clock the jet pack. Cause at first you're like, he's going to move. yeah a shout out to the children of the watch podcast which is probably my favorite star wars podcast they have this theory about mandalorians and jetpacks like every time a mandalorian gets a jetpack it's all over okay i mean the precedent is with boba fett the first time we see one use a jetpack he immediately falls into the zarlacc yeah And you can track it through the Clone Wars.
01:09:29
Speaker
There's repeated deaths by jetpack. Wow. In The Mandalorian Season 1, when the armourer gives him the jetpack, the children war are like, no, don't take it.
01:09:42
Speaker
Don't take the jetpack. It will be your doom. Yeah. My question on the jetpacks is, so Beskar armors can withstand blaster fire and stuff. yeah But Jango's jetpack and Boba's in Return the Jedi, they get damaged really easily.
01:10:00
Speaker
so Are they Beskar or are they not? I don't know because they are there was this whole debate about whether they're even Mandalorians, which I think has been resolved that they were. like It's gone back and forth.
01:10:14
Speaker
So but i think it probably is Beskar, but maybe they've just got... People are lucky. like When Han swings the pole thing that he's got in his hand... And one of the gift cards, probably and hits the back of the jet pack.
01:10:28
Speaker
So it's not is's nothing to do with his armor that causes him to die. In fact, his armor saves him from the Sarlacc, the stomach juices of the Sarlacc. But Jango...
01:10:40
Speaker
I mean, do we see him actually get wounded from a blaster bolt? I mean, he dies by decapitation, which is, yeah there's no
Mandalorian Jetpack Troubles
01:10:48
Speaker
Beskar there. Beskar doesn't cover your entire body. No. It's only like bulletproof vest type vibes, isn't it? Like a chest plate and some arm plates. Because Django's got two jetpacks in this film, doesn't he?
01:10:59
Speaker
The first one is explodes on Camilo. Yeah, yeah. And he gets a new one. Which is definitely for selling toys. Definitely. Yeah. Because they're both different. I remember you could get toy of him with the first jetpack and toy of him with the second jetpack. Oh, my gosh. And it does feed into the theory.
01:11:17
Speaker
Children of the Watch. Jetpacks, they're not reliable. You need multiples. They're not going to work. There's loads of stuff about that in Rebels when Ezra gets one and he's just like a mess
Nostalgia of Clone Wars Content
01:11:29
Speaker
on it. You can't use it at all. Yeah.
01:11:32
Speaker
I also had in my notes for all of this bit was, well, my notes for like a bit more previously when we're in the droid factory was, yay, droid banter. And then a little while later, I wrote, too much, tone it down.
01:11:47
Speaker
a ah As soon as 3PO starts getting mixed up in the droid banter, I was like, no, stop. I looked over at my parents when he says, so I'm quite beside myself. And they were just like, head in hands. Please stop,
01:12:01
Speaker
Please stop. three d stop I was going to move on to the um the clones arriving, yeah which I literally got goosebumps when Yoda comes down and the clone transport. And it's so much like watching the Clone Wars.
01:12:18
Speaker
yeah I don't think I've watched this since I watched the Clone Wars. I only watched the Clone Wars for the first time about four years ago, and probably during lockdown, I think. And I haven't watched Attack of the Clones since then, I
Jedi and the Clone Army
01:12:29
Speaker
don't think. So to see it now, having watched seven seasons of Clone Wars, it's like, oh, the nostalgia of watching this, which is really weird because it's not like when I watched it the first time around. Just those drop ships and seeing Yoda involved and Mace involved and some of the other Jedi as well.
01:12:50
Speaker
It's like, oh, this is the Clone Wars. I love the Clone Wars. I now want to re-watch the Clone Wars. i said Yeah. I love the little bubble on the ship that shoots laser. Yeah. yeah yes Sitting in a bubble, I think it's yeah that is yeah That is cool.
01:13:04
Speaker
So did the Kaminoans build the ships? Because like rapper the Republic didn't have an army. Such a good one. So where where did the ships come from? Yeah.
01:13:15
Speaker
I think they probably did. yeah mean i mean, we didn't see them like on Obi-Wan's tour. We didn't get to see any of the ships, but i I'm pretty sure they do. I'm trying to remember from the Bad Batch because there's obviously quite bit of that.
01:13:28
Speaker
Like whether they've got the ships on Kamino, I feel like they probably have. Yeah. Because I think Yoda went there to get them. Was that not Yoda's Yeah. He said he was going to go and see them. He wanted to see the clones for himself and then he appeared with all of them. so I mean, the Jedi are being absolutely blind by like just accepting this random army that's been built on this fleet of ships.
01:13:49
Speaker
It all seems a bit like, hang on a minute, that was completely against what you were. It is the fall of the Jedi. This is what this is all about, isn't it? Yeah, sure. I forgot to mention, yeah my my favorite moment in the entire film wow is just before the
Kit Fisto's Character Appreciation
01:14:05
Speaker
clones arrive and Kit Fisto force pushes Threepio and smiles after doing it.
01:14:10
Speaker
Oh, yes. I know that. I love it. That was the funniest thing I've ever seen in Star Wars. you yeah Am I right in thinking you're quite a fan of Kit Fisto? I love Kit Fisto.
01:14:22
Speaker
I had two toys of him when I was a kid. Two. Incredible. I had one from Attack of the Clones. I want Avenger the Sith. Because his design's a tiny bit different than Avenger the Sith. His eyes are like grown.
01:14:32
Speaker
oh okay. Yeah. But he's so cool. He is cool. Yeah. well I've got a feeling, is he in the High Republic? No, he's not old enough to be in the High Republic. He's in something else that I've been listening to, audiobook-wise. Or maybe it says another Jedi of the same race as him. Maybe that's what gets confused. yes. he had an amazing story in one of the comics.
01:14:53
Speaker
He and Isla Secura were on Kamino together. And I can't remember, there was some droid attack and she falls into the water and he dives in to save her and he can breathe underwater. So he like breathes for her. but It looks like they're kissing. yeah And throughout the whole comic, they were kind of flirting with each other.
01:15:12
Speaker
and it's kind of like, it's a parallel to Anakin and you know he followed his desires of love and Kit and Isla like didn't. And I was like, that's such a cool story of the two Jedi who didn't pursue their interest. There's a lot in the High Republic about that.
Jedi Attachments and Love
01:15:30
Speaker
Have you done have you done any of the High Republic stuff? No, no. It's like a whole series of novels and junior adult novels and kids books and comics.
01:15:39
Speaker
set like 250 years to about 100 years before Phantom Menace. So it's like oh well ancient history. The Acolyte TV show is like right at the end of the High Republic era.
01:15:52
Speaker
And there are two Jedi, um the main two characters in the whole series. It's massive and it follows different characters. And like the kids' books follow different characters to the adult books and so on. But there are two main characters um that are like in love as Jedi and they kind of figure it out and it kind of works. I mean, oh there there is a resolution to it at the very end of all of it, which I won't spoil because it's quite, um you know, a significant part of the the overall story, but it's really interesting. They've obviously decided the story group, we need to explore this idea. and
01:16:27
Speaker
like why do the Jedi like restrict attachments, you know, and what constitutes an attachment?
Battle Scene Visual Effects
01:16:34
Speaker
Yeah. It's very tricky. So we get this whole Clone clo Wars vibe.
01:16:39
Speaker
There's a load of smash zooms, which are like where the camera zooms in really fast. yeah We see one in The Force Awakens when Rey is flying the Falcon for the first time and it flies into the the kind of wreck of a Star Destroyer.
01:16:52
Speaker
yeah And we get like a ah kind of crash zoom into it, which I loved when I saw Force Awakens and I'd forgotten that this is where they originated. and they come from This whole battle sequence and we keep like seeing a ah wide shot of the battlefield and then the camera like zooms really quickly into one of the dropships. One specific bit, yeah.
01:17:11
Speaker
On whichever group of clones and which Jedi they're they're with. kind of thing What they're up to. Yeah, it's really cool. It's really exciting to look at. and I think I was quite overwhelmed at that point. Because it yeah it's such a long film. I'm just like, yeah oh my God. ah yeah im I'm starting to just feel quite overwhelmed and I'm not sure what's going on anymore. And I'm not sure I can follow it anymore.
01:17:32
Speaker
yeah But that might be more about my mental state when I watched it. that No, there is a lot. It's one thing. It's about three endings, you know. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it just keeps going. I did also have a note about lightsaber drama, good lightsaber drama. This is something we've been tracking as we go. Yeah, we've got we've got multiple tracking stuff that we've discovered. And one of them is, yeah, the the kind of agility of the lightsaber jewels. Yeah.
01:17:59
Speaker
There's some great ones in this. So you are you are we into Dooku and Yoda or Dooku and the guys? It is a classic, the Dooku-Yoda lightsaber battle. ah I did have, I had a note about one previously. This is this is jumping back a bit.
01:18:17
Speaker
um There's an incredible moment when obi-wan is having just before he leaves kamino when he's chasing jango fett and they have a blaster blaster versus lightsaber battle oh that's great yeah which is great
Reassessing Count Dooku
01:18:30
Speaker
but obi-wan does the cutest little forward roll i'm like mate come on i've seen you split kick two droids in the face and now you're doing little forward roll While you're fighting a Mandalorian. While you're fighting a Mandalorian. It cracked me up. I watched it and i was like, I had to go back and watch it again. i was like, did he just do a little tiny forward?
01:18:55
Speaker
ah Yeah, going to watch that again. It was great. I could hear his voice. Don't overthink it, Anakin. Yeah.
01:19:03
Speaker
Yeah, very there is a lot of good... I mean, because we get all the Jedi in the kind arena as well. Yeah, just there's so many of them. like too much And they all slightly different fighting styles, which is really cool. Yeah. yeah yeah I owe Dooku an apology. oh how really? Yeah, because I wasn't able to appreciate the character until I was older. Yeah. yeah Because as a six-year-old...
01:19:26
Speaker
So my favorite character in Star Wars of all time is Darth Maul. yeah And as a six year old, I was like, we've got Vader in the originals. We just had Maul, who was the coolest character ever. can't wait to see the villain in this one. And when you just see Dooku, you're like, oh, it's just like someone's granddaddy in there.
01:19:44
Speaker
And I remember being really disappointed about it. But Christopher Lee is a legend. And it's not until I was older that I was like, actually Christopher Lee and all the like history of Dooku is actually really
Yoda's Duel Agility
01:19:56
Speaker
cool. So I do owe Dooku a big apology. There go. You've made a public apology. I'm sure Dooku a helper.
01:20:04
Speaker
Appreciating it. and He is awesome. he's yeah I just love that it's just like Christopher Lee just doing his thing. yeah Oh, he's fantastic. It could be like Saruman versus Yoda. Yeah, it was it was like that, wasn't it? It's just so, yeah, great.
01:20:22
Speaker
I have written down that it is iconic. It is iconic. is I mean, it's not the most perfect lightsaber duels of all time. but The day that I saw six-in-one in the Leicester Square Day, sorry to keep going back to that, the moment when Yoda pulls back his robe and yeah light into is often and pulls the lightsaber out, the entire cinema went ab. So that was probably the most bananas that everybody went Is it the first time we've ever seen Yoda duel? Yeah, yeah. yeah None of us believed. And they pointedly show his decrepitude earlier in the film. Like he's hobbling. He's hobbling around. They're really overdoing hobbling. And then there's that one scene where he's in the kind of floating like kind of thing. Oh, yeah, yeah. So that he can keep up with Mason and all the other figures. Oh, yeah. He is very short. He's got this little And he's like, he just can't. He's not very well on his feet. And then suddenly he's leaping all over the place. Yeah, sure. Everyone's like, you having a laugh? You've been riding the dark horse. Floating chair the whole film.
01:21:23
Speaker
And you could jump like this? Please, somebody pass me my Jawa juice. Wait a minute. You've got a blue badge and you can do that. Exactly. Yeah, he doesn't pay for that little floating
Wilhelm Scream Debate
01:21:37
Speaker
thing. That's all on the Republic. Expenses.
01:21:42
Speaker
but thankfully so yeah dooku's the only person who saw it so yeah that's true just denies it after no no not me wasn't me at all so the other thing we've been tracking and i'm quite disappointed about this we've been tracking the wilhelm scream do you know about the screen yes of course are you gonna tell me there's no wilhelm scream
01:22:09
Speaker
Controversial. Controversial. Apparently there is. I didn't hear it, so I had to look it up. Good work.
01:22:19
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victoria yeah Thank you. and't So I looked it up and apparently it's right at the beginning. Oh, is it when the spaceship blows up? Yes.
01:22:31
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But I listened to that. I listened to it so many times. It's not the Wilhelm scream. It's it's a scream, but it's not yeah it's not the right scream. It's similar. Yeah, but it but it's not it. Because I almost wrote that down as a note. Oh, the Wilhelm scream early on. But i was like, no, it's not quite the same. quite Yeah.
01:22:50
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So controversially. Perhaps it's an Easter egg is that there isn't one. Yeah. So it kind of, but that's what the entire internet says that it's there. And I was like, but that's not it. Okay. I'm going to go listen. Go listen. If you're listening to this and you follow us on Instagram, come and send us a DM and tell us what you think. or Yeah, tell us it's actually there. We're going to do a post about it.
Episode Conclusion
01:23:10
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Controversial Wilhelm screams.
01:23:16
Speaker
Because we've mostly found them. We've done... Yeah. Well, you found found them, yeah. You're very good at spoiling them. am good at spoiling them. I'm listening the entire time. Right. So I think to wrap this up, I'm going to give you Yoda's line, which was close to being one of my favourites. The shroud of the dark side has fallen, begun the Clone War house.
01:23:36
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what What a line to end film on. What a line end film on. So good. That's much better than the wedding kiss, which I had a note that was unconvincing.
01:23:48
Speaker
Yeah, that's the very last scene, isn't it? The wedding scene. So unconvincing. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Because it's a mirror of the end of Empire, isn't it? With Leia and Luke two droids. They're almost framed the same. The same way. Yeah.
01:24:01
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Yeah. Amazing. um my goodness. What a ride. Well, Keshan, you've joined us on not our biggest marathon yet. This has been the best time ever. Please come back. We've got a lot of stories to talk about. I'd love to.
01:24:18
Speaker
Please get me back. And I hope I've come up with good stuff. Oh, my gosh. It's been amazing. You have been a Thank you. You've taught us some things. And, like, i love I love, I just love people who love Star Wars. so It's a lovely community. It really is. Yeah. yeah Yeah, well, thank you so much. and Thank you for having me. but It's a pleasure.
01:24:42
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Thank you for listening, everybody. And like say, us up on Instagram. We're also on Blue Sky now. Sisters of the Force. Are we? That's new to me. It's on Blue Sky. Yeah. It's brand new today. We're on Facebook as well. Sisters of the Force pod, I think. I can't remember. i need to get these sorted out. Which is which? But you can just find us.
01:24:59
Speaker
um And yeah, next week we're going to break down Revenge of the Sith. And we've got another special guest. Ooh. who I'm very excited to meet. So it's going to be a good one.
01:25:11
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Thank you. And we'll see you next time. Bye.