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Episode 18 - The Bermuda Triangle
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Nym takes the reigns this week to talk about one of her earliest nightmares - The Bermuda Triangle
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Introduction to Nightmare Cottage
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Welcome to Nim and Nyleen's Nightmare Cottage, where we discuss dark locations, sinister media, and other tales of the macabre. I'm Nim. And I'm Nyleen. Let the nightmare begin.
Hosts' Personal Interests
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followed into the nightmare if you dare
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oh so tell me about your life don't know man just garden and watch drag race and played monster hunter and race yeah there's a season right now in season 17 they've got like three episodes left i like i like my drag queens i I do too, but you know what? i kind of fell off. Hi, by the way. Hi.
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We should probably say hi first. Hello. Hello. All right. Happy nightmare. Happy nightmas. Happy nightmas. Okay. Anyways. um Yeah, no, I fell off.
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I don't remember at what point I fell off, but it was just a bad season. There was one, one bad season, and I don't know what it was. A lot of people say that, and The answer to which one it is varies from person to person. And I can keep rewatching all the ones before that. But for some reason I can't get past that one. And because I can't get past that one, I feel like I can't do, um what's it called? ah All stars. All stars. Because, you know, then I don't want to spoil anything, which doesn't make any sense. No, it does make sense. So I started Drag Race way late.
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huh I actually, it was the year I went to Salem with our friend Myra. We went to their local arcade, called the bit bar oh that's cool yeah and we were hanging out and we played a bunch of games and then we sat down and we had some like food and drinks and we closed out our tab and we were getting ready to go and this drag queen walks in and we were like i'm sorry could you reopen our tab i want to see what happens and ended up being a a watching party it was like a season 15 it was like close to the end of the season and that was my first experience with drag race and that was recent that was like two years and two or three years ago and well season 15 whenever that was and that's amazing yeah so when I got home from Salem I was like I'm sorry what so I binged all of it
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Twice. In a row. and And then became obsessed. And since then I got to watch season 16 live and i'm watching season 17 live now
Parenting and Gardening Adventures
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too. So that's crazy because the rest of them I just like I binged and saw it all at once. yeah And watching them week to week is a totally different experience.
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so So wait I don't not where where can you watch them right now? Live. Because I know for a while you had to get They come out on Paramount I think you can watch them live on MTV.
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Yeah, but you have to get the MTV app. and's No, no, You have to have MTV. There's not an MTV app you can get for that. I think there is. it Well, it Paramount has MTV. Okay. And so it will come out on the Paramount app like in six months.
00:03:37
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Right. So, and but you can get the World of Wonder subscription. um How are you? what have you been up to? Sorry, you just had to die real quick. Please don't.
00:03:48
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I've been tired is where I've been. very tired not like you have a three-year-old or anything no no i don't not at all that yeah no it's just it's uh it's been a lot we're getting not that anyone cares we're getting to body through potty training he's almost there guys he's almost there everybody root for bash and also if he could just sleep in his bed for one full night would be amazing listen i know they're only young once and i love him so much and i love waking up next to him and cuddle on him but he also needs to sleep in his own fucking bed please want my bed back
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too bad i just don't know how people do this multiple times like this is not shade at all. Like I do not know. i am so tired with one and he is a very good kid. Amazingly good kid. I know he's perfect. He's so polite and sweet and sassy in all the right ways.
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But I love him. Man. Yeah, it was pretty great. But yeah, I've been doing dealing with that and sushi falling into her own. um And yeah, just... i Oh, I think I told you I got all my stuff planted. i bought it ah few more to fill out the front. What are those called? you don't know what they're called.
00:05:09
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Who Kara? Who Kara. Or ah Coral Bells is another name for them. I love them. so I do too. They're so pretty and my... As we all know, my super shady garden.
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actually call it my tea and shade garden since we're talking about drag because I have plants that I can use to make teas and it's all
Podcast Plans and Listener Engagement
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shady. my God. Can we like sit back there and drink like lemonade and tea when it gets really hot and talk shit? It'd be amazing. 100%. We need to do like a little five minute recording back there with all the with all the the garden sounds. Yeah.
00:05:46
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i'm I'm here for it. So I know we said that we would each have a story this week after Nyleen's long, amazing story. but see what happened was.
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My story ended up being long enough to hold its own. So this week you just get to listen to my story. And then next week we will maybe for sure.
00:06:09
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Next episode. Hopefully. Yes. Sorry. Next, next episode. We will we get back on the, I don't know, we'll see what happens. Because this is our podcast and we do what we want. I mean, we want to do what you want too, but like mostly what we want.
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Nightmare Cottage at gmail.com. Let us know what you want. That's true. If you have a problem with this, you let me know to my email. Or, you know, if you want to like tell us what you want to hear or whatever, we would love to hear what that is. Nightmare Cottage at gmail.com. She's like, don't leave me and I'll cry.
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And we also have the website nightmare cottage.com. If you'll check that out, we've got some great pics of Doji's birthday, his 10th birthday and more. So check that out as well as the show notes when you're looking at that.
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I'm working on them. We're going to fix the show notes. They're going to be better. There's nothing wrong with the show notes. We are just improving as we go. Did I mention I'm tired?
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I'm tired.
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Do you remember back in the day, as it were, how like pre-major internet, like I know, okay, so I had internet by the time you were born, and but we were early adopters.
Exploring the Bermuda Triangle
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How urban legends spread then? Did you hear the story about how Marilyn Manson could suck his own dick because he took out a rib? Yeah. How did we all know that? That's true, because like we didn't really have, I mean...
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Yeah, i wasn't using phones or anything. Right. Yeah, no, because this was in the 90s. Yeah. Like, you were very little at that point. and so But I do remember that rumor. Right. And that rumor was a thing when I was in high school, which was in the ninety s And yes, I had the internet. The internet was a thing. So, eh, you know what? Fine. Fair enough. it's It wasn't that much a thing, though.
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Wasn't that? No, it wasn't. No, I was the nerd who had a home computer. We actually had three home computers before most people had one. Wow. That was because my stepfather was... financially irresponsible and that was a whole other nightmare anyways anywho I bring that up because today I'm going to be talking about the Bermuda Triangle okay we've mentioned before you're 10 years younger than me so did the Bermuda Triangle have any what do you know about the Bermuda Triangle when did you hear about it and don't remember when I heard about it I don't remember if it was junior high or high school I'm not sure I remember
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But yeah, i i know I know that it was, you know, like an area in ocean. i think it's the one to the east of us. I'm horrible with oceans. It's okay. it's the It is the Atlantic Ocean.
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And it's basically it's classified. It's not classified. It's actually it's not recognized by anything official. But people will tell you that it is from southern tip of Bermuda to the Florida Keys to like Puerto Rico.
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Like that's the triangle. It's very, very large... span of ocean. Yeah, it's bigger than you would think it is, like looking at that space. Right. But before I get into that, for children of the 80s, for some reason, we were brought up to believe that the Bermuda Triangle was this big spooky place. It was like the first...
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conspiracy theory, like cryptic, you know, it was the first like urban legend that really felt huge and scary. And like, we had no reason to not think it was true. oh yeah. Because we're just these kids in the middle of nowhere, you know, and not internet. This is the 80s. There really wasn't internet for anybody at the like, you know, personal level.
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I grew up associating the Bermuda Triangle with dread. mean i was unreasonably concerned about it. It was this terrifying span of ocean where people disappeared without a trace. But it was one of the first ominous horrors of my existence. It was just... Yeah, no, I can agree with that. And it was very much a place where it's like, you might accidentally walk up. Like say, like quicksand.
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My God. Quicksand too. I thought I would encounter quicksand so much more when I was little. And it was like that, except... at a larger scale. 100%. also never had to stop, drop, and roll, but I'm still glad I know that rule. Yeah, right?
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But so many things that we're inundated with as kids that just seem like, you know, these larger than life things that, like when I learned about Amelia Earhart, yeah who obviously I thought was amazing.
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And then I think that's probably it. It's probably when I was learning about Amelia Earhart. That makes sense. And my brother, as he would, terrified the shit out of me. We were children. He was a child. He didn't know anything. Anyways.
00:10:42
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So it wasn't a huge part of your childhood is what I'm getting No, not like a huge. So yeah, so we're going to talk about the Bermuda Triangle today. And this story kind of took me in different directions, which I'll talk about as we go.
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Now, will you be saying basically that you believe a lot of the what's happening in the Bermuda Triangle? Or do you think that a lot of it is conspiracy? I think you might want to listen to what I have to say.
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Okay. I was just because it's is such a ah complicated story. But there is there is a lot of answers. And there's some things that are aren't answered. And it's, you know, primarily from lack of evidence. It's it's not necessarily saying that something fucked up and and unexplainable happened here. But it's unexplainable in the way that we don't have the answer to some of these things. Yeah.
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But let's proceed and get there. Yeah. So I'm going to first tell about some of the more well-known stories of some of the disappearances and issues that have happened in that space now when I was doing this research every time I would like I would be reading some stories and then I'd be looking at the geography and trying to figure out some stuff and like I did not realize how far north Bermuda was I'm like holding up my hands like you're looking at the map that my face is seeing so like here's the United States east coast here right here and then like here's like North Carolina yeah and here's Bermuda like 600 miles out over here except your your map is reversed for me but yes
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Right. But look at it. Nobody, nobody else can see. So it doesn't matter. Oh, wow. I guess I don't matter. this Shut up. So so Bermuda is 600 miles out off the coast of, I think it's North Carolina.
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So we're going to start way, way back in 19, no, way, way back in 1492. Wow. When some awful person sailed the ocean blue.
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Oh, that guy. That guy. That's right. It's dastardly explorer Christopher Columbus of being a vile, enslaving fucktard fave. Mm-hmm. Yes. I love that. Uh-huh. As he sailed towards what is now the Bahamas, the three ships in his fleet, the Nina, Pinta, and Santa Maria, became stuck.
00:12:52
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There was no wind, and they found that they were surrounded on all sides by seaweed. They stayed there for days. Typically, seaweed meant shallow waters, so they were afraid that they weren't going to be able to return to Spain.
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And so, you know, you're out at sea and you feel like you're stuck there, you're never going home, you're not going to reach your destination, so Obviously a little stressful. Yeah. ah They stayed there for days, though they eventually made their way out of the seaweed, which we'll talk about shortly. The sailors did what sailors do, and they spread the tales of superstition and exaggeration.
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Their stories impacted sea travel in that area for hundreds of years and arguably still today. I'm going to skip forward. I'm going to talk about the tale of the Ellen Austin.
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The Ellen Austin was a ship that departed from Liverpool in 1881 en route to New York. For some reason, they changed course. One ah article even said they took a shortcut to head south from Liverpool to go to New York. They were heading they decided to take a shortcut yeah to head south and found themselves in part of the Bermuda Triangle.
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I don't understand the detail. They found nothing about why they took the detour or why they thought it was Listen, navigation is a bitch when you're not in the ocean. i mean... When you're not in the ocean? Yeah, so it's going to be so much worse when you're in the ocean.
00:14:09
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They navigated by the stars. the stars like they knew They should have known what they were doing. Exactly. Should have. But, you know, you never know. Well, this was 1881. eighty one like they They had instruments and stuff that could help them with that as well. but and Maybe everyone was really sick for a little bit. Or...
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So anyways, they decided to take a detour south a bit. um And when they did that, once they were kind of in that Bermuda Triangle area, the wind completely died. So they were just kind of left hanging out for a few days because it's 1881 and we don't have motors. So on their boats, it was sales.
00:14:42
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Shut up. I just, I love that. It's fine. They saw a schooner a ways out that was kind of drifting erratically. They kept their distance for a bit, thinking it might be a trap.
00:14:53
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Eventually they made their way over and found the ship to be deserted. There was no trace of anyone on board, but the very expensive cargo was still there and untouched. The captain split his crew and decided to take this new vessel and its cargo to New York to sell.
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On their way back, a massive storm hit and the ships got separated. Once things calmed back down, The other ship was missing again. Once they found it and caught up to it, the captain called out to his crew to no answer.
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They found the other ship completely abandoned again. At this point, they decided to cut their losses and went on to New York with its remaining crew, leaving the other ship behind. I'm going to do some unraveling of the stories after I tell a story. Okay. I'm trying not to... No, no, no.
00:15:35
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Welcome to ask questions whenever, but I was explaining why I'm not going to continue explaining that when I'm moving on to the next story. So moving on to Donald Crowhurst. This is a really interesting one that's actually pretty explainable, sort of.
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This guy, there's been movies, books, stage plays, and more based on this guy. Okay. So Donald Crowhurst had a bit of a past. He had a troubled childhood and had to leave school early when his father passed away that he had to go into the military.
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And when was this? Like what? Does say like around the time? Yeah. Sorry. No, you're good. trying to put myself in that in that time period. you know Donald Crowhurst's association with the Bermuda Triangle takes 1968, 1969. question. Okay.
00:16:14
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so but question So yeah, so he had gone into the military and for reasons I can't find online, he was removed from the military. Not, he didn't. Not honorably. Not honorably and he didn't do it on his own. Yeah.
00:16:27
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He was removed. Yeah. So in his professional career afterwards, he designed a tool that could measure marine and aviation beacons and had a small amount of success with that, but it never really took off. He did have a wife and four children and in an attempt to build a better life for them all, he decided to take his weekend hobby of sailing and turn it into cash money.
00:16:45
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Cool. So the Golden Globe race was sponsored by the Sunday Times. It was a race to be the first and fastest person to sail around the world by themselves. Top prize was 5,000 pounds, which would be about $75,000 today.
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In order to get ready for the race, Crowhurst needed money. He solicited sponsorships and then mortgaged his home and his business against the promised funds. Okay, wait, hold on. I know. yeah I know you're so financially responsible that this is going to bug you. Well, it's just like, I want to build a better life for my family. So I'm going to mortgage.
00:17:15
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everything and you know what it's fine you guys good luck if this doesn't go well i'm just gonna go do this well it was a sure thing he'd planned to make use of an unusual boat for this challenge it was called and i apologize for i'm pronouncing this wrong but a trimaran they were these were really great fast boats but they weren't meant for distance and he's like trying to sail around the world right and if this particular boat which looks like this Oh my gosh. Was capsized.
00:17:42
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You cannot write it. Like he's going to be by himself. He's not going to have any help. If it capsizes, he's, it's he's fucked. So he intended to make some proprietary modifications to the boat for the race. um So he could manufacture and sell those modifications afterwards.
00:17:57
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Unfortunately, due to the the timeline he had to work with, he wasn't able to complete the setup of all the safety features before the deadline to start the race, and which was on Halloween, 1968. Yeah.
00:18:09
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Interesting. he intended to continue making adjustments once he was out in the water pretty early on things started to go poorly the boat was experiencing issues and began taking on water which is ah great yeah he quickly realized he wouldn't be able to complete the journey around the world in this vessel if he failed or quit he's going to lose its house his business his reputation probably his family So obviously it's time to cheat.
00:18:34
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So quick question before you get into all this. One, he's by himself, right? He will. Yeah. Once for the race, he's by himself. And the idea is they radio in their coordinates to let them know where they're That's what I was going to ask. Like, is there, and but are there any like checks along the way besides radioing it in? Yes.
00:18:53
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Okay, cool. I'm just, that's what trying. Yeah, for sure. you're will And does it say about how many people are doing this? They did. i think it was, because it was like a small hand. It was less than 10 people, like more than five, less than 10. It wasn't a huge thing, but there were favorites to win and things like that.
00:19:09
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But they could start any time like June to October. And it was a matter of how fast you went. So that's why they would call in their coordinates and stuff. And that's how they would determine that you were on the right track.
00:19:22
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And that's how they know how fast they're going. Okay. That makes sense. Yeah. That's very interesting. Yeah. Oh, sorry. No, you're good. Two more questions. Yeah. Is there anywhere, like ah is there anything that they're not allowed to bring with them? Like, are there prohibited items? Can they use anything at their disposal? Like, can they use motors?
00:19:41
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Do they have to use sales? like It does have to be sales. I do not recall. I don't have the details. Okay. I do know that. I mean, just trying to figure out how spooky this could get.
00:19:52
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there's There's definitely maritime rules and and structures and shit that they have to follow guidelines. And to be they weren't allowed to like stop and get repairs or anything like that. They had to be completely self-sufficient on that.
00:20:04
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Crap. Yeah. But there's probably more to and I just don't have all those details. Fair. So when he did his check-ins, he began to provide false coordinates so the people monitoring the race would think he was still on track.
00:20:15
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Instead of continuing the race, he stayed in the Atlantic Ocean in an area that was in the Bermuda Triangle. um Eventually they caught on that he was full of shit and they called him out by asking for clarification. I think because they could tell that his coordinates were not coming from where he said they were somehow.
00:20:29
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Yeah. It's around that time in his log books that his grasp on his mental health started to slip and then plummet. It started with a bunch of equations that Crowhurst was convinced was the answer to life, the universe and everything. Oh God.
00:20:43
Speaker
In this, he claimed Einstein's theory of relativity was incorrect. Okay. It then eventually culminated in over 25,000 words of philosophical rants where he talked about how humankind was part of a game run by cosmic beings.
00:20:57
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He believed that humans could become secondhand cosmic beings by trying really hard and could withdraw from the game. And I'm doing funny quotes around withdraw from the game. Me too, man. Me too.
00:21:07
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His last log entry was on July 1969. Okay. Okay. okay And it said, the last bits said, i had no need to prolong the game.
00:21:19
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It is finished. It is finished. It is the mercy. They found his boat, but they never found Donald Crowhurst. This doesn't surprise me. Now we're going to talk about Flight 19. Okay, so you want me to keep all my comments to myself about these? Or theories?
00:21:35
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Not, I mean, you can say what you want right now, but I will be... Tying each of them up. Okay. Go ahead. Okay. So now we're going to talk about flight 19.
00:21:46
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Flight 19 was a highly trained, likely the best of the best kind of situation, ah naval aviation squad that was working on training flights out of Fort Lauderdale on December 5th, 1945. Okay.
00:21:57
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okay The leader of the squad, Lieutenant Charles Carroll Taylor had over 2,500 flight hours and was very competent. At some point during the training exercises, Taylor's compass started acting up, and he radioed in that he was having problems.
00:22:12
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Communication was spotty, and the pilots were arguing about what they needed to do to find land. By sight, they thought they were over the Florida Keys, but they were actually over the Bahamas. Course correcting incorrectly led the pilots to find themselves running low on fuel and not being able to land.
00:22:27
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The last transmission received from Taylor. All planes close up tight. We'll have to ditch in less landfall. When the plane drops to below 10 gallons, we all go down together.
00:22:38
Speaker
But wait, there's more. The Navy sent out a search and rescue as they were able to determine flight 19's last known coordinates. One rescue boat plane was coming up to where they were last known to be.
00:22:50
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And stated as such on the radio, that was the last they heard from the rescue boat plane. So like the rescue got lost too somehow.
00:23:01
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Coming up on the area where the other one was known to get fucked up. And then this last story i have is the one that just really took me down the biggest rabbit hole.
00:23:12
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and And then after this, I'll dig into the possible causes and story updates. But this one is about 22 year old pilot, Carolyn Casio. Casio was a trained but amateur pilot who had charter flights to the Bahamas.
00:23:24
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She was coming up on Grand Turk Island preparing to land. All of her instruments indicated that she was on the correct path, but the island she saw below was completely uninhabited. No airport, no houses, no building, nothing but trees and sand. Like it was right shape, but it was like it was before it was...
00:23:42
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you know populated she was able to communicate with the airport and they could see her but she couldn't see them they watched her circling the island for quite a while and eventually she said she had enough fuel to go back to where she came from and flew back the other direction her last transmission was is there no way out of this they watched her fly into a cloud and she was never heard from again oh that's sad So there's some proven and
Debunking Bermuda Triangle Myths
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hilariously theorized reasons for the crazy shit that happens in this area of the ocean. We're going to start with the true stuff first.
00:24:15
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Oh, that's no fun. Well, but i'll do I'll get the true boring shit out of the way and then I'll give you the sensationalized bullshit. Okay. So the seaweed mentioned in the Christopher Columbus story was Sargassum and they were stuck in the Sargasso Sea.
00:24:32
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This is a large bit of the Atlantic that's about 700 miles and over 2000 miles long and it's
00:24:37
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full, like packed of sargassum. It's a leafy and viney seaweed and could get caught in rudders slowing shifts down. They'll get caught on them and barnacles would grow on the right on the the rudders and stuff. And didn't you say like the water's really still in that area? Yeah. So combined with the calm winds of the area, it can be really, really easy to get stuck.
00:24:55
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And then another note is that when sargassum decomposes, it releases hydrogen sulfide. It smells like sulfur. And if it's breathed in, not only can it mess with your eyes, nose and throat, but it can also cause dizziness and delirium.
00:25:07
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So when you're already in a weakened psychological state thinking you're going to be stuck there and die, and then you kind of get these these vapors or whatever. finger i mean, that... that potentially could account for things like the, the empty ships that they found for the Ellen Austin.
00:25:27
Speaker
Maybe people went nuts. Same thing for Donald Crowhurst, you know, with his going mad. And so, yeah, like for the boat, I mean, you're saying like this could affect all three of those situations or no, no. no The Sargasso sea does explain the Christopher Columbus situation, why they got stuck.
00:25:45
Speaker
um It could explain hallucinations of any of the various stories even beyond what we have here i mean i think it is except for the flights i feel like even without the acid like just being alone it doesn't matter how much you train i don't think you can i don't think you can ever really prepare yourself for that level of solitude because we're just not made to be that way yeah and i could see your mental state devolving very quickly, especially if you don't have something like a navigation or, you know, the need for ah physical a physical, lot of physical, um, to, to get you through the day. And so I can see his mental state devolving or all of their mental states devolving very quickly and just two ships.
00:26:34
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Yeah. the the The Ellen Austin where they found that empty boat and then it was empty again after storm. I don't feel that that necessarily would apply to that situation.
00:26:46
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Why not? For all of them? I mean, imagine how long they might have been sitting there and they're like, well, we're, you know, like to them, especially when they can't navigate, if you can't see the stars, if you don't know, let's say it's very, you know what I mean? It's it's very, you're hallucinating.
00:27:01
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You don't know. So here's the other bit is that I only found that hydrogen sulfide from the decomposing bit in like two sources. Okay. And then all of these other things about the Sargasso Sea that didn't mention it at all. Okay. Okay.
00:27:18
Speaker
Now, that's all I will say about that because like that doesn't necessarily mean that that doesn't happen. Don't know how prevalent it is. Exactly. exactly So another possible explanation for missing ships is rogue waves.
00:27:32
Speaker
The Bermuda Triangle is situated high so Like all the currents are meeting? Well, tropical storms from the North Atlantic, the South Atlantic, and the Gulf of Mexico can converge and create word rogue waves. Like they just, it becomes unstable. They are not predictable at all.
00:27:49
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um And they can be hundreds of feet tall. There's no warning that they're coming because they don't act like regular waves. They'll swell out of nowhere and basically just destroy anything it takes with it. Picture a massive ship coming up on this wave and it would slowly ride up like a roller coaster.
00:28:03
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And then it would tip over the edge and plunge down rapidly. Ships that we make today, like modern ships can't withstand that, let alone like old wooden ships. But wouldn't they seem damaged, right? Like, oh, they they would be obliterated.
00:28:18
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Yeah, but exactly. So I'm saying like, sorry, I thought you were saying that would be a reason why there wasn't anyone on the boats. Oh, that is another. Yeah, they did say that. But we were saying that those I mean, but didn't they say the boats? I mean, they didn't mention that the boats were heavily damaged. They were just like, no, they weren't damaged at all. Those ones weren't. But there's a whole lot of other things.
00:28:36
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stories that didn't cover but on one of the documentaries I watched and I used documentary loosely Oh, like the flat earth one. I'm sorry. It's not that bad, but it's also like, I found too many things that negated the things I saw on that show.
00:28:52
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Like it's, it's one of my sources. you can check it out, but it's, I, I was so sad to find so many things that negated it because like Lawrence Fishburne was the host and it like felt all legit. And then, yeah. anyways And then it wasn't.
00:29:06
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And then it wasn't. So seaweed and rogue waves are definitely not responsible for aircraft incidents. One theory exists involving massive pockets of methane gas.
00:29:17
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Uh-huh. Methane ice can build up under the ocean floor and if tectonic shifts or anything else make the ice poke through to contact the water, it's basically like a super rapid dry ice kind of reaction.
00:29:28
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feel like that can happen in a lot of places though. Correct. So that's weird to be like, up just in this area. Yep. The gas gets really super quickly. Basically, they're saying that if A massive amount of methane is exposed to the heat of the plane's exhaust that could cause a massive explosion.
00:29:43
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a The day Flight 19 went missing, a tanker ship reported seeing flames at least 100 feet high. Methane pockets would also fuck with the instruments in the planes and could cause disorientation and confusion if breathed in.
00:29:56
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ah methane pockets could cause a lot of issues if encountered in these situations. Now, if these methane pockets are a thing, when they burst, it would cause a whirlpool in the ocean, which could pull a whole ship to the ocean floor.
00:30:09
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oh One source said this was likely because of the craters that that have been mapped out on the ocean floors being caused by methane explosions. All other sources said there was no evidence that these methane pockets ever have been a thing in that part of the ocean.
00:30:22
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Yeah. Yeah. There are more far-fetched theories that involve aliens. The lost city of Atlantis. Far-fetched? Really? Rips in space-time and wormholes. I think that's very plausible.
00:30:33
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There's not any scientific evidence to corroborate any of that. Says you. You know, they used to think electricity was magic. So this brings me to my debunking portion. ha So this is the portion of the podcast where I tell you, you are wrong.
00:30:49
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This is where um I take all the fun out of everything. So the Columbus stuff, probably true. It matches information from Columbus's log books as well as that of some of the crew.
00:31:00
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The Ellen Austin. This story, along with the Carolyn Cascio story, were the most fascinating to me. So I was very pissed off when I found that none of that shit ever happened. um The Ellen Austin did exist, and it did sell from Liverpool in 1881 towards New York.
00:31:16
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According to the Lloyds of London shipping manifest, the Ellen Austin arrived on time with no issues. No lost crew. no loss what they are want you to think
00:31:28
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sorry hold on my hat yeah get that tinfoil shape it just right for style The Donald Crowhurst story is true and real, and where he went missing is in the area known as the Bermuda Triangle.
00:31:40
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Having said that, his logbooks have been analyzed thoroughly, along with more investigation into Crowhurst himself. Due to the extreme stress of being on the water for eight months at that time, combined with the stress that he will either die on his boat...
00:31:54
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or return a failure, losing his entire home and business and probably his family. Yeah. He was also alone for those eight months. It's generally accepted that he died by suicide. Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me.
00:32:06
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just like accepting that you're just going to die out there. Did they, did you say they ever found his little boat thing? or They found his boat. It is currently decomposing on in the Cayman islands. Like it's just like, yeah, it got repurposed and was used for a while. And now it's just like in a boat graveyard.
00:32:23
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um Flight 19 happened. While the original crew and planes have never been found, the plane boat was witnessed to have exploded by other people in the search party. So we know what happened to that, but we don't have,
00:32:34
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the evidence of flight 19. Carolyn Cascio. So I did digging on this one. I was looking for any mention of her online that wasn't a conspiracy theory website.
00:32:45
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I got like eight pages into Google and finally remembered I have ancestry.com, which means I've got access to newspapers.com. First, I thought to dig through ancestry. um I had the approximate year of birth and death, along with the last name and first name, where she lived.
00:33:01
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I still wasn't finding anything. I didn't find a birth certificate. I didn't find a death certificate. I didn't find, I did find somebody with her name that was not her. yeah That was from a similar area. Yeah. and But she got married after this girl passed away. or bound by has yeah Especially, you know, if you're like a Smith or a Johnson.
00:33:19
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A Cassio though, like spelled that way. um i mean depending on what area yeah i feel like that would be a very popular last name huh okay well i don't know anyways um so yeah so i wasn't finding anything i was just about to give up and say that this whole damn story was completely made up which seemed pretty likely because it was such a far-fetched story her saying is if she was seeing that island but like from years ago kind of situation So but I did finally find an article from the Miami News from June 10th, 1969, telling the story.
00:33:54
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So it does seem like most of the details are true, though most articles I found had get they got the dates wrong, like by years, like they were saying 1964 and things like that. But this is a real newspaper. This was a real um I actually will have the article in the show notes so you can see it yourself.
00:34:10
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But yeah, so that really happened. And we do not have an explanation for it. and It's crazy. Yeah. I forgot about that newspapers thing, though. It's pretty cool. man. aren doing that Yeah, it's ah pretty rad. This is not sponsored by Ancestry.com or Newspapers.com. It's just cool.
00:34:25
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So the biggest questions seem to be how can so many water and aircraft go missing in this area? And why can't we find more wreckage and remains? First of all, the Bermuda Triangle is not a real geographic area recognized by whoever makes those rules.
00:34:41
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yeah isn't it owned by different territories too or is it open i'm not super familiar with open water laws but i know they're terrifying is all i know so i don't know that it's like i i feel like that's probably the territory of more than one thing yeah when compared statistically with other similar bodies of water with similar volumes of traffic this area doesn't even make the top 10 of the most dangerous parts of the ocean yeah and i mean like i feel like the area it's in like you said it's gonna have so many weird wind paths and currents. But it's also a very, very highly trafficked area. And there's not really a lot of problems.
00:35:17
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Really? Yes. I feel like far less than most other. i feel like it's where hurricanes are always at or always. yeah But there's like the oceans of fucking dangerous place, man. Like there are way more treasures and way more incidents that have happened in other areas that are like, as far as comparative sea traffic, air traffic, whatever.
00:35:39
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um dojo did not like air traffic and and like space and stuff lloyds of london who are still the bigwigs of water to the of the water transit world does not charge extra to ship through the area ah because there's no extra danger ah ships and planes go through this area constantly without issue As to the lack of remains, there are a couple of things here. The Milwaukee Deep is in this area, and that's the deepest point of the Atlantic Ocean at almost 30,000 feet. It's like a fault line.
00:36:08
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There have been very few expeditions this far down, so much of the area has never been explored. The other bit is the Gulf Stream. So this is basically a river within the ocean that can rapidly carry away any debris that gets caught in it. Yeah. Very far away, very quickly. Yeah.
00:36:24
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And that's like, that's the thing that there's streams like this that go through all of the ocean systems. Like that's it's a thing and it creates little riptides. Yeah. Exactly. 30 minutes from now, something that gets caught in that thing is going to be miles away.
00:36:38
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That is a huge reason why there's some things that seem more mysterious than they are because there's no evidence of the wreckage. Like they just disappeared out of nowhere, but it's, they went elsewhere. Yeah. But the fucking ocean is massive. Like, yeah I feel like you could be like, I mean, I, a went 30 minutes this way and no matter how much technology you have, like,
00:36:58
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The wind where the sun is where anything is, is going to change where the drift ends up. hundred percent Yeah. Yeah. yeah So the island of Bermuda is also ah ah volcanic island, but it comes from a volcano much deeper in the Earth's crust than most of the other volcanic islands like Hawaii.
00:37:14
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I found some sources that claim that there were high traces of magnetite in the rock on the island. I've heard that. Which could cause issues with navigational equipment, of course. They will say that that's the reason why we see fewer issues in the Bermuda Triangle today is because we now navigate by GPS rather than compasses and other magnetic type things.
00:37:33
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I guess. I mean, we do. Yeah, I guess. I thought that was a really cool theory because it felt rooted in science. But then I found scientific websites saying that there was no evidence to support it. Oh, got it.
00:37:44
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Yes. So tales from this area have been sensationalized for centuries, but most of the stories lack evidence. And many, such as the Ellen Austin, were completely fabricated. Researching this was a bit of a whirlwind, but it was really cool to revisit what was probably the first urban legend I was ever exposed to.
00:38:02
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And that
Wrapping Up with Light-hearted Topics
00:38:03
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is the Bermuda Triangle. love it. Oh.
00:38:09
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nightmare fuel today? There was something. oh shit. I don't have my phone on me, of course. No. Okay. I can't. You can't. Your history doesn't help me.
00:38:21
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Fair. If only i could just touch a phone and my search history would pop. Nope. Don't want that. Anyways.
00:38:31
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There's my nightmare fuel in my search history. but that I will hot one publish that for everybody. Oh, my God. Can you imagine? Yeah, no, um I don't think i have anything too crazy. i've I've been trying to unfry my brain after that four episode fiasco oh day of murder. Yes, it was so good. But, you know, it was also like it was a roller coaster of emotions.
00:38:57
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So so fair enough. We will leave your nightmare for the last episode and we'll revisit it next time. Did you have any? We look at my IMDb because I usually like I'll search things as I watch them.
00:39:09
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Every time I hear IMDB, hear I'm a dumb bitch. And I don't know why. Well, now that'll be me. Oh, no, but there's a new season of Black Mirror happening soon. So that can... There's a new season? There's a new season of Black Mirror happening soon. Oh, God.
00:39:27
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i Let me get the date. Since I'm making it my nightmare feel, I'll tell everybody the date. I'm excited. I love Black Mirror. Yeah, except for that first episode. Yeah, that was weird. If you haven't watched Black Mirror, I don't recommend starting with the first episode. Yeah, i do not. It's an anthology. Every episode stands on its own. You do not need to watch the first episode.
00:39:46
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you know what? It doesn't set the tone for the rest of the series. Start on season two. Start on season two. Watch all of season two and then go back to season one and skip one. Trust me, it'll make more sense.
00:39:57
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Like you'll get the vibe better. I feel like they really got it down in season two. I think that the stories in season one are worth revisiting once you watch the rest. Yeah. It will have already come out by the time this episode comes out. So go and enjoy some Black Mirror. And if you've already seen it, well, so have we at that point.
00:40:15
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Tell us what you think. Nightmare Cottage at gmail.com.
00:40:22
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oh I like getting emails that aren't work emails. don't like your face. Because there's like, I don't know, I'm really bad about moving emails out of the inbox.
00:40:33
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And so I'm like, I'll let you do that if that's what you want to do. But then I feel bad because I'm leaving the emails in there for somebody else to do. But like at the same time, I'm like, I don't care what they're doing. And maybe you need them. So I basically spiral every single time.
00:40:47
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Yeah.
00:40:59
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Is there a movie that you watch every year or rewatch frequently? I don't know about movie, but there are like shows. Oh yeah, me too. What what what are your ah depression watches?
00:41:11
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but um So Adventure Time. I actually watch that a lot when I am really depressed because... There's something about it that speaks to my soul. If you're like really looking at under the surface, the way the characters feel in their development feels a lot like the things that I feel like I deal with on a like really emotional, personal level.
00:41:33
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And so like I would say specifically like season three and four and on like is really when it starts to like vibe. Yeah. Yeah. But you kind of want those earlier seasons so you know everybody.
00:41:46
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Not really. Oh. Just because it doesn't end up mattering. like i feel Yeah, I suppose that's true. they They really establish who they are in season three and it just kind of moves on to their development as it goes on. Right.
00:42:00
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Well, cool. What is your favorite dish to cook? Not that Ace cooks, that you like to cook. Yeah, there's two. i make I like to cook a lasagna a lot.
00:42:12
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I feel like I'm very good at it. I feel like. um I know I'm weird because I put cottage cheese in mine instead of ricotta. That's not uncommon, I didn't think. Really? was like It's weird. And I'm like, do you not like it? He's like, it doesn't taste bad. and like, does it taste good? And he's like, it's just there. and I'm like, what does that mean?
00:42:32
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But he likes my lasagna. Don't get me wrong. Like, he's not ungrateful. Whatever. but Another one is that I do like a little faux Asian stir fry thing that's like mostly vegetables and turkey.
00:42:46
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And it's just and has a little bit of like a sauce on it that we make. So good just by itself or in lettuce wraps. Like, it's so good. yeah Would you rather be the hero or the villain?
00:42:57
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Villain. Why? Because I feel like when you're a villain, you know what to expect and nobody can blame you less than... So they're already blaming you, so what's the point? Exactly. um And I feel like with the hero, there's just too much to live up to and it would suck to have to live up to other people's standards of what you should be.
00:43:17
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the vampires or werewolves yeah considering your husband is both a vampire and a werewolf yeah it depends what it depends what what what series right which laura you're talking about i completely 100 agree with yeah but i would say i'd probably go towards werewolf more than vampire on most of the series i don't know i feel like what series has your favorite werewolf they can at least go out in public um to be honest I like, so in True Blood, i like the way that they shift and all that stuff. I don't like the like, I don't like the attitude and the mentality behind everything that happens in True Blood with them. But I like the way they shift. I like the lore of how they come to be and how they.
00:44:02
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um they lo Their lore, their everything. Their rules and everything. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. Cool. Let's see. I just heard a say, you're eating a popsicle right now. This child has had so much sugar Does he know that I gave him yes a cake clop? Yes.
00:44:19
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All right. RIP, man. I'm going home with today. Okay. If you had to exist within any horror movie, okay which one would it be?
00:44:32
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The Paranormal Activity series. Really? Okay, why? Well, it's the scariest. It is terrifying, yeah. But at least, like, I feel like... it would be done relatively quickly. I'd either get possessed, murdered, or turned into other. And I mean, feel like it doesn't drag out for long.
00:44:53
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And it seems most of the time with whatever happens, you seem kind of mindless anyways. So to me, it's like, I feel like it's just a numbing effect at that point. And you go into a state of other.
00:45:04
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All right. That's sorry. and You just want to like wrap it up. Yeah. Just wrap it up. Yeah. With like minimal anxiety. Nice. A quick burst of scare and just end it.
00:45:16
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If you will.
00:45:19
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Well, cool. Yeah. I think this is where we leave you to have your happy nightmares. Sweet dreams. If you have topic requests, book or movie recommendations, or just want to say hi, email us at nightmare cottage at gmail.com.
00:45:35
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