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Arranging Tangerines Episode 24 - FRIEZE NEW YORK!
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In this weeks episode, we take the show on the road to the Frieze New York, one of the most popular art fairs in NYC. We check in with artists, gallerists, collectors, and advisors about the current art market sentiment, whether folks are “totally over” NFTs yet, and which works were stealing the show.
Links:
https://www.frieze.com/article/air-gallery-looks-reproduction-rights-usa
https://www.frieze.com/article/what-we-learned-air-gallery-frieze-new-york
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Transcript
Introduction to 'Arranging Tangerines' Podcast
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Welcome to Arranging Tangerines, presented by Lady and Stater.
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Conversations with contemporary artists, curators, and thinkers about the intersection of art, technology, and commerce.
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Your hosts are me, Alessandro Silver and Joseph Wilcox.
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I know what to do.
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I know what to say.
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I just know I don't want to be like you.
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I know what to do.
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I don't know what to say.
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I just know I don't want to be like you.
Exploring the Art Market and NFTs at Freeze, New York
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In this week's episode, we take the show on the road to Freeze, New York, one of the most popular art fairs in New York City.
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We check in with artists, gallerists, collectors, and advisors about the current art market sentiment, whether folks are totally over NFTs yet, and which works were stealing the show.
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Oh, my name is Sarah Diver.
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And what is your role in art?
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My title is Director of Research and Engagement for the Jordan Schnitzer Family Foundation, which is a nonprofit that has a traveling exhibition program, travels across the country to various museums.
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And then we also produce a number of scholarly publications and do exhibition-related programming and things like that.
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That's fantastic.
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What brings you to Frieza?
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Well, we're based in Portland, Oregon, but I'm here with Jordan Schnitzer himself, taking in the sights, looking at art.
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Who knows, maybe buying art.
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Well, not myself, but he might.
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You know, adding to the collection and just expanding our, you know, world a little bit, our horizons.
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Fantastic.
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Is this your first day or you've been walking to the fair for a while?
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It's our first day at the fair.
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It's Jordan's first time at the fair, actually.
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So maybe he'll have something to say about that.
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I used to live in New York, so I've been to the fair in various iterations over the years myself.
Sarah Diver on NFTs and Art Controversies
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We work with a lot of digital artists and we've gotten into the NFT space.
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What are your feelings on the NFT space?
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That's a great question.
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So it's so funny.
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I come from an academic background myself, and I feel like a lot of my colleagues and peers from those days are deeply outraged by NFTs.
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They think they're like,
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fad, they don't get them, they think they're silly.
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For me, I don't, I'm still holding my judgment because I feel like the same kind of outrage and, you know, fist shaking happened, you know, yay, but a hundred years ago when
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you know, Marcel Duchamp put his fountain out in an exhibition space, right?
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So it makes you wonder, you know, what this means for the next hundred years of art production.
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I'd be curious to see how, I don't know, I'll say this, I don't know if NFTs, the way they are now, will continue to exist, but I think they mark something important for NFTs,
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how art will evolve over the coming decades.
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Like I think that the kind of emotional reaction people are having is indicative of what's yet to come.
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So we'll see.
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I couldn't agree more with you.
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Plato was outraged at the book and saying that the book was the end of civilization.
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There you have it.
Jordan Schnitzer's Insights on Freeze and Collection Support
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Oh, see, great timing.
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So this is my, this is the president of the Jordan Schnitzer Family Foundation, Jordan Schnitzer himself here.
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Hello, Jordan.
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My name is Alessandro Silver.
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I am part of a gallery called Lydian Stater in New York City.
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And we have a podcast called The Ranging Tangerines where we talk about art, commerce, the bisection of them.
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It's a pleasure to speak to you.
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Nice meeting you.
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So what brings you to Freeze?
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Well, we're here actually for the ICPNY Dinner on Monday Night, International Print Center in New York.
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Since our biggest part of our 20,000 works in our collection are prints and multiples, we're a big supporter of that.
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But this is exciting to see all these galleries, especially ones from outside the U.S. and
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learn.
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Fantastic.
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Anything else that you've come from?
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Well, what's wonderful is I have fabulous staff, 14 of them, and they know a lot more about some of these artists than I do.
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So I'm getting a tutorial as we walk along.
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But what's neat about these shows is no questions ever stupid.
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And all the gallerists always like people asking, well, who is this?
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And what's going on?
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And why do you have this artist?
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And that's what's wonderful about a
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art galleries and exhibitions like this freeze.
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So to all of your audience, come down, it's wonderful, and just ask questions.
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It doesn't cost you anything, and they love to help explain about the history and importance of the artists on their walls.
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Well, thank you so much.
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Good luck to you.
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Thank you.
Adapting Post-Pandemic Art Fairs with Brazilian Focus
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Hi, what is your name and what gallery are you working with?
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I'm Matosio Hoji Mendez-Wodiam.
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This is amazing.
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This work is fantastic, by the way.
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Thank you.
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Most of the artists from Brazil?
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Mostly, yes.
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I would say 60% of the booth.
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How has the fair... Have you guys been going to fairs recently?
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Yes, since the beginning of the gallery.
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But how about with the pandemic and coming back now?
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I think for Frizz specifically the small format works well and brings a sense of, how can I say, focus and importance to the visitors and to people who actually came to the fair.
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And yeah.
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Nothing's changed that much.
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No, everything's back to normal, kind of?
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Yeah, with a slight difference.
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A couple of health checks here and there, right?
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Can you tell me a little bit about this?
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I can't stand it.
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This art is pretty amazing.
Kisho Suga and the Monoha Movement Discussion
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This is Kisho Suga.
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He's an artist from the post-war movement in Japan.
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Call it Monoha.
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And...
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It's a group of artists that works with the leftovers of the world.
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So it's the art power of Japan.
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So Monoha means study of things and it's pretty much understanding the essence of the material and the possibilities that you can arrange with that.
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And from the movement, Kisho, I would say, is the most playful artist because they are all dealing with the losses, with the war, the subject of the war.
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And he's dealing with rhythm, composition.
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And just to describe to the audience, it's an amazing piece.
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It's made up of a bunch of, it looks like discarded pieces of wood.
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And to find out that they're actually remnants from loss and destruction, right?
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Yes.
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That's, wow, pertinent.
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Mm-hmm.
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I guess one final question.
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So my gallery deals with a lot of digital work, and specifically in NFT space.
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How is the NFT space fair for you guys?
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Is it something that's on the horizon?
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Is it something you feel like it's a fad?
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I think it's up to the artists to be free and we just have to allow them and make the space, make room for them to express their work.
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So we are more like supporting than actually involved directly with this matter.
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That's very good to hear because it's nice to...
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The gallery is a support system as opposed to saying you should do this, this way, and this way.
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That's very nice to hear.
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Well, thank you so much.
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Let me give you my card.
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You good?
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All
Reflecting on Challenges and Interactions at Freeze
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right.
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So Matt and I are taking a coffee break.
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And after the first hour, and what have we found out?
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It's pretty quiet and not a lot of people want to talk.
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Yeah, we found out the galleries don't like to be on record.
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But they've talked to us off record quite a bit.
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But then they hand us their press person's card and say it to talk further.
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But we've talked to some collectors and a couple of galleries, and that's been OK.
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How about you?
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What have you seen that's of note?
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I mean, I really like the Karma booth, especially that piece of packages made out of bronze that look incredibly realistic.
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It is a little mind blowing.
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Yeah, the piece Matt's talking about is Snowman by Mungo Thompson at Karma.
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Amazing.
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Breathtaking.
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The other one I saw was the Kisleosuga, the pieces of wood in that Mendes, was it Mendes Wood Gallery from Brazil?
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I thought that was pretty amazing.
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But that's me.
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I like taxonomy and putting things into categories.
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But yeah, we're taking a coffee break, getting our energy up.
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Hopefully we get some more stuff.
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I'm ready to get back to it.
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Let's go.
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All right.
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Who are we here with today?
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We're here with Alia DeSantis, and we're going to be speaking about Kevin McCoy and Jennifer McCoy.
Kevin McCoy's 'Quantum' and NFT Significance
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Awesome.
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So this display, how did it come about?
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Because it's fantastic.
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So it's got Kevin McCoy's first NFT?
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Yes.
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This is the first NFT to be made on the blockchain and tokenized.
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It's a mandala called Quantum, and it's changing into multiple different colors.
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And it's currently on loan from the owner, which we cannot dispose right now.
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So what does that mean?
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You could say theoretically.
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So when it's on loan, do they actually transfer the NFT to the person or is it just?
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No, I believe Kevin has, I think, a file of it that we're using.
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But we have authorization from the owner currently.
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So what else can you tell us about?
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Well, the other works that you see here are inspired from the original.
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The one here at the end is the Quantum Leap.
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Primordial Star 3, and it's inspired by the life cycle of a star.
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And it pretty much, let's say, it dies every three months, and it produces an NFT every three months.
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But then also from being very colorful, like Mandala Light, it then changes into black and white as it dies, so creating a dark star.
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And then it becomes reborn again.
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That's fantastic.
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That's awesome.
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Is that an edition of one or edition of how many?
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I believe this is an edition of one that I know of.
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And that one and this other artwork.
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which is quantum entanglement.
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They created, I think they're going to do a series of 18.
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And this one is being made with a few layers of code using a T8 generator, I would say.
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And it comes with an art piece if you purchase it, which is created by a robotic arm, which they also coded.
Misha Saffron on NFTs and Artistic Balance
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So that's like a plotter piece that comes from the actual artwork?
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Pardon?
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It's like a printed plotter.
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Yes.
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Oh, yeah, exactly.
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So like generative art, the beginnings of it.
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That's how they used to.
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A performative act, you know, because it's like you want a bit of a physical piece of the of the moment going on with the digital next to it.
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That's gorgeous.
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What about the last one?
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So this is actually a snapshot of what's going on when the one I was explaining dies.
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So this is the black and white.
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But these screens are amazing because they're all like transparent, all OLED screens.
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Oh, you can look right through them.
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You can look right through them.
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And also you can change the opacity of them to a fully dark screen.
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That's fantastic.
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I didn't even think about that because... Lots of scientists are using them at the moment and also for commercial use.
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Yeah, because we have collectors that are often asking how to best display NFTs.
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They're going to be available for the public, I believe, in a year's time.
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Yeah, it's very, very, very, very cool.
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Yeah.
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I guess because we've been asking everybody your sense on NFTs and either where they're going or do you what do you I mean, what do you feel about them as far as like.
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I mean, I think that NFTs are going to be going on for a long time.
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I think it's going to be harder to become a big NFT artist unless you have a community and that you're just, I guess, you're on it.
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You're speaking with people on Discord and Twitter.
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Also, if you're actually creating something interesting because sometimes I see a lot of NFTs that I don't find very interesting where they're just like,
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Which is fine.
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I mean, you're making a crap load of money.
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But also, I see two sides of it.
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Where I see the people that are just trying to make a buck, or I see actually some really talented artists.
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But actually, he creates NFTs if you'd like to speak to him.
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I would love to.
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Yeah, because the reason we went into the NFT market was because we saw a lot of crappy NFTs.
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And so we in particular, Lady and Stater, we work with emerging artists and we kind of like onboard traditional artists that never worked.
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I'm going to slowly get into the NFT space because I'm an artist myself.
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So, yes.
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Digital?
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Not digital yet.
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I make collages, which I'm going to turn into digital works, hopefully moving.
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I also have another drop that I wanted to do, which is true.
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It's to do with memorabilia.
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And then you can collect these old memorabilia.
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But I won't enclose anymore until I release it.
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If you want, we can put your website on your name.
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Sure, that would be great.
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Awesome.
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Yes.
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No, thank you.
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I hope that was good enough.
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That's fantastic.
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Hi, my name is Alessandro Silver.
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We have a small gallery called Lady and Stater in Long Island City, which specializes in digital art and specifically NFTs.
NFTs in Art Market: Potential and Challenges
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And we've come here as press to the Freeze Art Fair to kind of like speak to people about the general feelings about the art fair and specifically their...
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How a lot of these galleries, what they feel about the future of NFTs.
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Is it a fad?
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Is it something that's going to go away?
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And we're lucky enough to speak to somebody who actually makes NFTs, correct?
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Absolutely.
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Yeah, I've been making NFTs since last year.
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So it's been about, I don't know, eight months or so.
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What is your name?
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Misha.
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Last name?
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Saffron.
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Excellent.
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Is that where you go by?
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Yes.
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If you go on my social media, it's Misha, Saffron and all of them.
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Excellent.
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So how has it been?
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It's been kind of like a snowball, you know, like I discovered last year, like I said, via TikTok, believe it or not.
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And then NFT NYC happened and I live here in New York.
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So I went to all the NFT NYC events, like met a bunch of artists, you know, and kind of got into the midst of it and kept my connections networking.
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Then Art Basel happened and there's so many NFT artists and companies who went there and it was now like big party kind of exposure to a lot of people.
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And then kept in touch with a lot of people, like I said, kept adding to my network, kept exploring the options.
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Twitter is a big platform, like all the NFT, you know, NFT influencers, NFT projects, they all start with Twitter, if you know.
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So try to build my audience there, my followers, and try to be active on other social media as well.
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So just trying to show as much as my art, my personality, and keep in touch with the people I met throughout this crazy journey so far.
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So we often talked about on the podcast, Instagram is where the traditional art market lives and then Twitter is for sure where the NFT market is.
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A lot of people say it can be very taxing to be monitoring your Twitter and your Discord and kind of being available.
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How do you manage your time?
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Time management is definitely a big issue for everybody who's involved in NFTs.
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Like I know a lot of people who just stay up the whole day, just watching the markets, watching the NFTs, flipping them, buying more art.
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They sleep probably three hours.
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So it's when I just got into it, it was very, it was kind of like
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interesting to be so involved, but I noticed that I needed breaks because yeah, there's Instagram, TikTok, there's Twitter, there's personal life.
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Now it's summertime here in New York, so there's a lot of IRL events.
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So there's events happening basically on a daily basis within the NFT community.
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So time management is definitely a priority.
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Definitely I would suggest take breaks.
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I learned it the hard way because I was so burned out.
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There's a lot of conversation about mental health happening right now, so I think that's important to remember that please take breaks because you're gonna burn otherwise.
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It's all fun to keep in touch with friends and people you met in this crazy journey, but also you need to think about yourself basically.
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Yeah, talking about burnout, so I mean crypto, a lot of it is FOMO.
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And it's like if you're constantly feel like you're missing out, but you have to kind of force yourself to kind of remove yourself physically from that thing.
00:17:49
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What platforms do you do you mint on?
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Currently I have two collections on two platforms, Foundation and OpenSea.
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I put more of my fine art, more of my portraits, more sophisticated on the Foundation for a higher price point and my abstracts I put in my OpenSea.
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I guess recently I accepted to Non-Origin so I'm still thinking about what I'm going to put there.
00:18:12
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Do you ever do anything on Tezos blockchain?
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Unfortunately, I can't access Tezos from New York, so there's a couple of hoops I need to jump through.
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So I'm still figuring out because I know the Tezos community is very supportive.
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Everybody talks Tezos on Twitter spaces and all the other people who sold and been successful.
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As soon as it's available in New York, I'm going to give it a shot for sure.
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Yeah, we reached out to the TIA people, the new platform that kind of took over for the Hikakiknunk, whatever that HIA had.
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And we're actually hosting them for the NFT NYC.
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So maybe if you want to stop by.
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Are you speaking at the NFC conference or showing anything?
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I'm trying to do a couple of collabs, but I'm not speaking this year.
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I applied, but I think I applied too late.
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There's three rounds, and that was literally a couple of days before the deadline.
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So next time, I'm definitely going to do a little bit.
00:19:07
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That just means you're a real artist because real artists never have time to apply to the things they should be applying.
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That's true.
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I have my, you know, when I go home, there's a bunch of bookmarks in my Chrome browser for like, you know, 50.
00:19:16
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And then there's like applications on one, other applications.
00:19:19
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And I just need to remember to do that because they expire, you know, like there's deadlines.
00:19:23
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So it definitely been a struggle with time management, like I said earlier, because I have to not only like maintain my social media presence and, you know, update on everybody's and my well-being,
00:19:31
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but also create art actually, so you have to find time to do that.
00:19:35
Speaker
And that's important because you can spend your whole day on Twitter just talking in Twitter spaces, but then you don't have time to actually make an art piece.
00:19:42
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And it's, again, back to time management.
00:19:45
Speaker
Well said.
00:19:46
Speaker
Well, thank you so much for taking the time to speak to us.
00:19:49
Speaker
This is one of the galleries I've been wanting to come to for the longest time, by the way.
00:19:52
Speaker
It's called Instituto de Vision de Bogotá.
00:19:54
Speaker
¿Verdad?
00:19:56
Speaker
¿Y su nombre?
00:19:56
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Beatriz López.
00:19:58
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Buen gusto.
00:19:59
Speaker
And your name?
00:20:00
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Elizabeth Fiore.
00:20:02
Speaker
And I'm sorry, we're interrupting collector collecting, correct?
00:20:06
Speaker
Okay.
00:20:06
Speaker
I'm an art advisor.
00:20:08
Speaker
And I bought it for a client.
00:20:11
Speaker
Uh-huh.
00:20:12
Speaker
So...
00:20:13
Speaker
So can you tell me about Freeze and how it's been?
00:20:18
Speaker
Well, Freeze has been fantastic.
00:20:21
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There are lots of really poignant pieces here.
00:20:24
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I think it's about wading through it all and finding the pieces.
00:20:28
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And we, Tanya was one of the artists that we discovered here.
00:20:32
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And it was, the work is really appropriate for my client.
00:20:37
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Beatrice was just explaining to me that it's all about transformation and sound.
00:20:42
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And my client is,
00:20:44
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a very young, kind of 50-ish year old, 60-ish year old actually.
00:20:52
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And I feel like his life is always in transformation, which is incredible.
00:20:56
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So it makes sense that he chose this piece, but he's also very passionate about music and sound.
00:21:03
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and just in general about the whole fair.
00:21:06
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And there are such wonderful artists that we purchased, that I purchased for clients.
00:21:12
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Tanya Candiani, so you have it on tape.
00:21:18
Speaker
Kelly Akashi is another artist that we purchased.
00:21:23
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Analia Saban, Alfredo Jarr.
00:21:26
Speaker
Oh, wow.
Collector's Optimism on NFTs at Freeze
00:21:30
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It's a wonderful selection and like I said, really poignant and artists that, you know, are really interesting and have a real vision.
00:21:42
Speaker
All artists have vision, but I think that it's a little more
00:21:49
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narrow, more, what would the word be that I'm looking for, more focused, focused and yeah so it's been a great fair for me.
00:22:02
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I'm here just to run through and meet Beatrice and talk more about the work because I was very excited about that and yes
00:22:13
Speaker
Was this today that you came first day or did you come before?
00:22:16
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No, I've been here every day, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.
00:22:21
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I took a break yesterday and I'm just here for an hour just to run through and make sure I've done all my homework.
00:22:28
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Well, great choices.
00:22:30
Speaker
I do have a question unrelated to this.
00:22:32
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Our gallery specializes on digital art, specifically with NFTs.
00:22:37
Speaker
I was wondering your take on NFTs and if you feel like there's a future or is it a fad?
00:22:42
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My initial reaction about NFTs was that it's a great expression and a tool for artists to play with.
00:22:51
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And I think
00:22:55
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Is there a future?
00:22:56
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Yes, there is a future.
00:22:58
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There's a future for a lot of unknown things.
00:23:02
Speaker
And I think it depends on how one explores that.
00:23:07
Speaker
Like if you look at Leo Villarreal, they presented some work at a fair.
00:23:14
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And I don't remember which one because I go to so many all over the world.
00:23:18
Speaker
But they presented, maybe it was Miami actually.
00:23:21
Speaker
Yeah, it was in Miami.
00:23:22
Speaker
Yeah, the way they presented it made it easier to understand rather than just this abstract thing that you own.
00:23:31
Speaker
I don't agree with the crazy prices.
00:23:36
Speaker
I agree with, you know, the art market has to be controlled.
00:23:40
Speaker
It's not the Wild West.
00:23:42
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So, okay, there are crazy prices for all young artists and, you know, the Shari Hughes that goes for
00:23:51
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three point something million and that's a trend right now is these crazy prices.
00:24:01
Speaker
Everything will even out.
00:24:03
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Everything comes up and down and up and down.
00:24:06
Speaker
Shara Hughes is an amazing artist so she won't go away.
00:24:10
Speaker
The prices might stabilize, we hope.
00:24:15
Speaker
But that's auction price.
00:24:17
Speaker
Primary market is a different story.
00:24:20
Speaker
I completely agree.
00:24:21
Speaker
Okay.
00:24:22
Speaker
Well, thank you so much.
00:24:23
Speaker
I won't take up more of your time.
00:24:25
Speaker
Maybe I'll come back and talk to you.
00:24:28
Speaker
Perfect.
00:24:29
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So we're back to Instituto de Visión with Beatriz Lopez.
Instituto de Visión's Impactful Art Pieces
00:24:34
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And congratulations on the sale.
00:24:36
Speaker
Thank you.
00:24:38
Speaker
How has the fair been for you so far?
00:24:39
Speaker
Good.
00:24:40
Speaker
Like, Frizz New York is always good with us.
00:24:42
Speaker
Yeah, we're very happy to participate and always making the effort to bring very interesting...
00:24:48
Speaker
stuff and works that are like worthy to do the journey for it and good for the collectors.
00:24:55
Speaker
Absolutely.
00:24:55
Speaker
I mean, I gotta say you guys were one of the standout when I was making my selections to visit and speak to.
00:25:00
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Absolutely some of the best stuff I saw.
00:25:03
Speaker
Oh, that's great to hear.
00:25:04
Speaker
Not only was it visually, it had, there was content that was actually
00:25:09
Speaker
Yeah, well this piece, specifically the sculptor and sound piece is important because it's at the same time strong conceptually but it's very strong visually and it's the sound that reproduces.
00:25:22
Speaker
It's a composition made with the sound of the glass being blown, which is the sound of transformation basically.
00:25:28
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It's the moment that minerals, air, fire crash together and transform the matter.
00:25:33
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and then the shape of the pieces are like megaphones.
00:25:37
Speaker
So raise your voice also transform reality.
00:25:41
Speaker
No, it's absolutely stunning.
00:25:42
Speaker
I mean, on all levels.
00:25:45
Speaker
I did want to ask you, so I had asked the collector previously about your take on NFTs and if you had any words.
00:25:56
Speaker
No, no words.
00:25:57
Speaker
It's very strange language for me.
00:26:00
Speaker
I'm so shocked, you know, like my work in the gallery has to be...
00:26:03
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with the curatorial work and I'm conceptually having come around that idea, you know, and I also agree with Elizabeth that it's a new tool and it's a language I'm sure is going to be developed and I'm sure it's going to be very interesting stuff.
00:26:18
Speaker
But this idea of an uncontrolled market of that and the reproduction, I just don't understand it.
00:26:24
Speaker
I'm more classic.
00:26:26
Speaker
I agree.
00:26:26
Speaker
That's why we kind of got into the space ourselves.
00:26:28
Speaker
We work with traditional artists that have not dealt with the NFT space, but we do take it slow.
00:26:33
Speaker
We don't want to... We're not dropping... It just feels like this... I don't know.
00:26:39
Speaker
I think part of the problem is that the NFT market was not meant for, say, art.
00:26:43
Speaker
It's just meant for...
00:26:46
Speaker
Yeah, I'm sure that's going to develop something and I'm sure very interesting artists are going to be able to use it as a tool and develop important pieces, but right now I'm just like waiting.
00:26:58
Speaker
That's good.
00:26:59
Speaker
Well, thank you so much for speaking with us.
SE Gallery's Success at First Freeze New York
00:27:01
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My name is Alessandro Silver.
00:27:02
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So what is your name?
00:27:05
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My name is Leo Felipe.
00:27:07
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Leonardo Felipe.
00:27:08
Speaker
And you represent?
00:27:10
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I represent, I work for SE, which is an art gallery based in Sao Paulo, Brazil.
00:27:16
Speaker
We are at Frizz New York for the first time.
00:27:21
Speaker
And we are showing Rebecca Sharp's work.
00:27:25
Speaker
The work is amazing, by the way.
00:27:26
Speaker
You just kind of gave me a run through about the work and how she's kind of, from the paintings themselves, some of the objects have come out and she's made three-dimensional works from them.
00:27:34
Speaker
Yeah, yeah.
00:27:35
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Rebecca is a Brazilian artist, but she's based here in the US.
00:27:40
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She lives in Boulder, Colorado.
00:27:42
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She has this meditative practice combined with her pictorial practice.
00:27:47
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So she meditates, and after that, she starts to construct these images
00:27:52
Speaker
that are really mindscapes in a sense.
00:27:55
Speaker
She has a background in drama and theater.
00:27:57
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That's why the images are these stages where strange things happen.
00:28:04
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She explores the surrealistic vocabulary, mostly painting in small scale, in small formats.
00:28:14
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She has been studying non-Western cultures for the past years, and then she places some elements borrowed from that culture, some iconography.
00:28:25
Speaker
of South America or North America native cultures.
00:28:30
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And she places them in the paintings alongside these biomorphic entities.
00:28:36
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And then recently, she started to remove some of these elements from the paintings into three-dimensionality, as in the case of the Polus.
00:28:48
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that she calls tools for protection.
00:28:52
Speaker
It resembles shamanistic artifacts but with a contemporary touch, mixing different fabrics and horse hair and artificial furs sometimes.
00:29:08
Speaker
Like a talisman.
00:29:09
Speaker
Like a talisman, indeed.
00:29:13
Speaker
So how has the fair been for you so far?
00:29:16
Speaker
Well, we're doing great here because, as I said, it's our first New York freeze, freeze New York, which is, I think, the most important art fair in the world.
00:29:27
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And, well, the paintings are all sold.
00:29:31
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So we got good reviews on New York Times, on Artsy elected us one of the top booths at the fair, Art News also.
00:29:42
Speaker
So yeah, we are very happy.
00:29:44
Speaker
Yeah.
00:29:45
Speaker
And the public, the New York public,
00:29:49
Speaker
welcome us really, really well.
00:29:52
Speaker
I can see why.
00:29:54
Speaker
Just one final question.
00:29:55
Speaker
So the gallery that I represent called Lydid Stater, we do a lot of digital art, and especially in the NFT space.
00:30:02
Speaker
Do you have any thoughts about the NFT space in regards to the traditional art market?
00:30:06
Speaker
Do you think it's a fad or something that...
00:30:09
Speaker
Yeah, we represent, SEB represents 20 Brazilian artists and one of them is Pedro Vitor Brandão.
00:30:18
Speaker
He's an artist that is working with crypto coins and with NFTs, but he's aiming to redistribution, you know, to so...
00:30:30
Speaker
I think we are a bit cautious about this thing, but I think there is forms of even poetic forms that we can explore NFT and all these new ways of currency.
00:30:45
Speaker
Well, thank you so much.
00:30:46
Speaker
Thank you.
00:30:47
Speaker
I am the one who thanks you.
00:30:48
Speaker
We're back.
00:30:54
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So...
00:30:56
Speaker
It's going a little better, right?
00:30:58
Speaker
I think it's going a lot better.
00:30:59
Speaker
People are really warming up to us.
00:31:01
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We've had some great conversations and it just feels like the floors are filling up with more people from outside.
00:31:08
Speaker
So do you think there are certain floors that were less likely to talk to us or is it just the fact that we're later in the day?
00:31:14
Speaker
I think it's maybe a little bit of both.
00:31:15
Speaker
I think later in the day, people are, energies are back up.
00:31:19
Speaker
There's a little bit more excitement that it's coming to a close.
00:31:22
Speaker
But I also do think that the galleries that we were able to speak with and the people we spoke with just seemed a bit more enthusiastic than some of the bigger blue chip spots.
00:31:33
Speaker
I agree.
00:31:34
Speaker
And of course, the standout was that piece in the Institution de Vision.
00:31:39
Speaker
Oh, yeah, that was absolutely stunning.
00:31:41
Speaker
And being able to talk with people from that gallery to hear more about the piece and how it was made and how it functions was really just very special.
00:31:50
Speaker
All right, let's see how I think this is the last portion, right?
00:31:54
Speaker
I think the final hurrah.
00:31:56
Speaker
How do you feel about this one?
00:31:58
Speaker
Cautiously optimistic.
00:31:59
Speaker
We'll see.
00:32:00
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We'll see.
00:32:01
Speaker
All right.
00:32:01
Speaker
Let's see what happens.
NFTs as Certificates of Authenticity
00:32:03
Speaker
So we're here at Proyectos Ultravioleta with Stefan Benchrom.
00:32:11
Speaker
I was telling you, this work is an outlier from the stuff I've seen in most of the fair.
00:32:18
Speaker
But it's pretty amazing.
00:32:20
Speaker
Yeah, no, they were very privileged to be showing the works of Basel Abbas and Ruban Abu Rahme, who are a Palestinian duo that's based between New York, Bushwick and also the West Bank.
00:32:33
Speaker
Yeah.
00:32:35
Speaker
You said this is like your fifth time at Frees?
00:32:38
Speaker
Yeah, yeah.
00:32:39
Speaker
It's our first time in the main section.
00:32:40
Speaker
We did the focus section or the frame section, sorry, for about four years.
00:32:46
Speaker
Then last year, we actually were due to participate in the main section too, but we couldn't travel because of the travel ban.
00:32:51
Speaker
And now it's really nice to be in New York and also showing this work.
00:32:55
Speaker
How has the fair been for you so far?
00:32:58
Speaker
It's been good.
00:32:59
Speaker
I mean, we knew that coming into the fair would be like an uphill battle in a way because of the type of work that's not only media heavy, but also requires time and lots of attention.
00:33:10
Speaker
And also it's very political.
00:33:12
Speaker
But it's been really going well according to expectations that we had.
00:33:17
Speaker
Lots of interest, incredible conversations with both curators and institutions primarily, but also sales of their work.
00:33:23
Speaker
So it's good.
00:33:25
Speaker
It's good.
00:33:25
Speaker
Yeah.
00:33:27
Speaker
When I first came across your gallery, it was like, I wondered, I guess, how was the art scene in Guatemala?
00:33:35
Speaker
It's amazing.
00:33:36
Speaker
I mean, there's a very, very long and rich art history that's been going back, I mean, millennia, right, from the Mayans.
00:33:44
Speaker
But also there was a very rich moment in colonial times of a lot of very rich material production in silver and also in wood.
00:33:53
Speaker
And that's translated and also are carried through to the last century, which is a mashup of so many influences and what have you, but also just incredible artists building upon the work of previous artists before with work that's not only aesthetically pleasing and strong, but also really deeply connecting to the context of Guatemala and its history and all the challenges and difficulties.
00:34:20
Speaker
So against all odds, just an incredible art scene.
00:34:24
Speaker
Also given the fact that there's hardly a market, there's hardly any art schools.
00:34:28
Speaker
So it's artists that are really doing work because they need and want to comment on what's happening around them, both contemporarily but also historically.
00:34:38
Speaker
And also because that's the only thing they could be as artists, right?
00:34:41
Speaker
So there's no...
00:34:43
Speaker
economic speculation.
00:34:44
Speaker
They're not doing it for the fame.
00:34:45
Speaker
They're not because that will hardly come at all.
00:34:50
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They're just deeply, deeply committed.
00:34:52
Speaker
That's pretty incredible to hear, especially in this day and age.
00:34:56
Speaker
Can you tell us a little bit about the selections you brought to the booth?
00:35:00
Speaker
Yeah, so we're showing four different single channel video works and some of the artist's prints.
00:35:06
Speaker
How we thought of the booth in a way was to try to create a solo presentation that felt more like an exhibition in and of its own right to really contextualize the practice of the artists also in light of the current project that they have at MoMA right now, which is a fully immersive installation with the latest body of work, which was co-commissioned by both MoMA and Dia.
00:35:26
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So it was a really good chance to really build upon that knowledge and create a, I guess, a bridge between both the booth and the show to really showcase the artist's practice, which is so unique and so strong.
00:35:42
Speaker
Yeah, it's very dense.
00:35:44
Speaker
Like, I just want to sit here and just, like, pull up a chair and just live with this for a little bit.
00:35:49
Speaker
We've got benches.
00:35:50
Speaker
We've got stools.
00:35:51
Speaker
So by all means...
00:35:55
Speaker
The gallery I represent is a small gallery.
00:35:58
Speaker
We mainly deal with digital art and the NFT space.
00:36:03
Speaker
I was wondering if you had any words or I guess what's your concept of where the space is headed or if it's worth talking about?
00:36:12
Speaker
Is it that?
00:36:13
Speaker
Sure, I mean, I guess a lot of the conversation around NFTs has been focused on the economic possibilities of the moment and also the skyrocketing prices that it has accued.
00:36:27
Speaker
But I think there's something that not so many people are talking about or not as much.
00:36:33
Speaker
Definitely that's important.
00:36:35
Speaker
I think that's where both the traditional art market with the NFT market are going to collide, where the NFT can really step in as
00:36:43
Speaker
the certificate of authenticity because you not only put it on the blockchain, it just stays there, you know where it is, it doesn't get lost, you know, but at the same time, the artist's resale rights are going to be really important for that, you know, especially with such a high movement in the secondary market.
00:37:00
Speaker
So I think that's going to be, it's only a matter of time until that kind of occupies or becomes like fully integrated into the traditional art market.
00:37:10
Speaker
Personally hoping for that to happen soon with a proof of a
00:37:18
Speaker
work rather than proof of stake just so that it's a little bit more environmentally friendly but it's I think only a matter of time for both of those things to happen.
00:37:31
Speaker
That's great.
00:37:32
Speaker
Well thank you so much for speaking with us.
00:37:33
Speaker
Pleasure.
00:37:34
Speaker
Thank you.
00:37:35
Speaker
Do you know Matthew Cronin?
00:37:37
Speaker
He lives in the neighborhood.
00:37:38
Speaker
Yeah, we were just speaking.
00:37:41
Speaker
So why am I talking to her, then?
00:37:43
Speaker
I think this is, you're the one with the personality.
00:37:47
Speaker
That could mean something good or bad.
Rachel Uffner Gallery's Success and Loyalty
00:37:50
Speaker
So we're at the Rachel Uffner Gallery with Sarah?
00:37:53
Speaker
Sarah.
00:37:53
Speaker
Sarah.
00:37:54
Speaker
What's her last name?
00:37:54
Speaker
Sarah Tortoridge.
00:37:56
Speaker
And we were just talking about how amazing Rachel has kind of like, I guess an outlier.
00:38:03
Speaker
Because there's not too many of her in New York.
00:38:06
Speaker
The slow kind of growth with these amazing artists.
00:38:11
Speaker
And it seems like a lot of the artists are very loyal.
00:38:13
Speaker
I mean, obviously the ones that there's some that do get taken by other galleries.
00:38:17
Speaker
But it seems like I don't come across that too often.
00:38:21
Speaker
Yeah, I wouldn't even say that those artists were really taken.
00:38:25
Speaker
They were just ushered by Rachel's gallery into bigger spaces, which I think has grown into a lot of respect for Rachel's early vision and development of artists.
00:38:36
Speaker
So, yeah.
00:38:38
Speaker
How has the fair fared for you?
00:38:40
Speaker
The fair's been great.
00:38:41
Speaker
The paintings sold, the paintings by Anne Buckwalter sold on the first day.
00:38:45
Speaker
So we've had- I can see why they're amazing.
00:38:48
Speaker
Yeah, no, everybody really loves them.
00:38:50
Speaker
They really draw people in from afar because of their perspective and their pattern and color.
00:38:55
Speaker
And then when you get closer, you actually get to appreciate all the little details that she leaves in there.
00:39:01
Speaker
Oh, they're fantastic.
00:39:03
Speaker
We have a small gallery in Long Island City, which I kind of model a little bit after Rachel.
00:39:09
Speaker
It's just, you know, very slow, working with artists that we really, really like, not necessarily bucking to trends.
00:39:17
Speaker
But we specialize with digital art and specifically the NFT space.
00:39:21
Speaker
I was wondering if you had any thoughts about where the NFT space might be headed or is it a fad?
00:39:27
Speaker
Is this something you even consider or is it something that Rachel even considers?
00:39:31
Speaker
I am the worst person to even ask about this because I feel like every time I talk to somebody about NFTs, I learn something new.
00:39:38
Speaker
So I should probably just like read an article on Google about really what's going on.
00:39:44
Speaker
But I feel like that changes every day, too.
00:39:46
Speaker
That's not something that Rachel's doing in the gallery currently, and it's not anything that we're
00:39:52
Speaker
considering with any of our current artists who are mostly sculptors like Bianca Beck we have here or Anne Buckwalter like the paintings.
00:40:00
Speaker
But maybe it could be something in the future, who knows?
00:40:04
Speaker
Can you tell us a little bit about the sculptures?
00:40:06
Speaker
Yeah, Bianca Beck makes all of these sculptures out of papier-mâché.
00:40:12
Speaker
They have this kind of expressionistic feel and they start off with the form, the human form and sort of morph in that way.
00:40:20
Speaker
they are working with ideas of identity, sexuality, queerness, and these are just sort of the expressions that they are creating in a three-dimensional form.
00:40:36
Speaker
They're absolutely gorgeous.
00:40:38
Speaker
They're really colorful, really vibrant.
00:40:40
Speaker
And these are actually a different set of sculptures from the first day because some of them sold.
00:40:49
Speaker
So we're really happy to have Bianca and Anne on board as well as the rest of our artists.
00:40:54
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not participating in the fair we actually just opened an exhibition on Thursday last week because you weren't busy enough because I wasn't busy enough exactly so we have a group show downstairs with a bunch of different amazing abstract painters and artists and upstairs is a solo show with Julia Wiest that's called Governing Body that's just really another like artist that you can dive into all the details with just like Anne's work so
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Yeah.
00:41:25
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I can't wait to check it out.
00:41:27
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Yeah, I know.
00:41:29
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Well, thank you so much for your time.
00:41:31
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Yeah, thanks for chatting with me.
00:41:33
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This is amazing.
00:41:33
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This booth is looks, I mean, anything I've ever seen that comes out of Rachel Ofner's gallery has been quite amazing.
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So thanks a lot.
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Thank you.
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Enjoy the fair.
'Trigger Planting': Art and Abortion Rights
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So we're here with Maureen Connor.
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And we're in front of your amazing artwork.
00:41:52
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Thank you.
00:41:54
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Yes, it's called Trigger Planting.
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And it's a collaboration.
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Our collective is called How to Perform an Abortion.
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And I'm working with, I did this installation with Landon Newton and Katumbari Bakshi.
00:42:12
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I'll give you the spelling afterwards so you know.
00:42:16
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And they couldn't be here today, right now.
00:42:18
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Or they're coming later, like maybe around five.
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So I don't know if you'll still be here.
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you could meet them.
00:42:24
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But we started discussions about this in the middle of April.
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And then nothing happened for weeks.
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And we're like, oh, I guess this isn't happening.
00:42:38
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And then all of a sudden, we got an email about two and a half weeks ago.
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And so we put it together.
00:42:48
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And this is through the AIR gallery?
00:42:50
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The AIR gallery, yes.
00:42:51
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Right.
00:42:52
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Can you describe the piece?
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Yes, so it's, there's a large photo mural of a garden and that is a garden of herbs that we actually planted upstate in New Paltz.
00:43:12
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And it's herbs that have traditionally been used for abortion and contraception.
00:43:17
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And that garden
00:43:19
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We're printing it in a kind of blue print, you know, cyan blue, so that it, you know, kind of creates a background.
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And then we have put a map of the United States, an outline of the map of the United States, indicating each state.
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And over the states, we've hung containers with plants, with abortion and contraception containers.
00:43:48
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same thing, plants that have been used for abortion and contraception.
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Historically, and this history goes back many thousand years.
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And each plant has been hung on the states that will make
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abortion illegal, will ban abortion if Roe v Wade gets overturned.
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So it's actually 26 states now.
00:44:19
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It could be more.
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But if you look at it, it's a huge part of the United States is covered with these plants.
00:44:26
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And we're not trying to say that herbs are any kind of solution at all, but just call attention to the fact that there are all these really safe ways of women getting an abortion and what are they gonna do?
00:44:47
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I mean, I just feel like, I was around in the early 60s before Roe and I had friends who had illegal abortions
00:44:57
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And thinking back to that time, I realized it was fairly underground, even though it was a huge taboo.
00:45:09
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Nobody wanted to talk about it.
00:45:10
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It was a secret.
00:45:12
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It was also like people didn't pay attention.
00:45:15
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And now everybody is so hyper-focused on the subject that I don't know how there's going to be a reasonable underground that will be safe.
00:45:26
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I really, I can't imagine it, but it's going to demand everybody's energy and, you know, kind of advocacy.
00:45:36
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I mean, when I first talked to you, we were just saying, I can't believe we're even having this conversation in this day and age.
00:45:42
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let alone having to advocate for something that should have been done.
00:45:47
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Yes, absolutely.
00:45:49
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Well, the main advocate on the Supreme Court for abortion, for the 73 law when it was passed, was Justice Harry Blackmun.
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And he retired around 2004, and there were some interviews that he was giving at that time, and he was saying, well, at least we've solved this.
00:46:09
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Oh, my God.
00:46:13
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Oh my god.
00:46:15
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Giving in some background on what were you the plants that we used and you know what the image consists of and the plants are actually listed over here.
00:46:26
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These are these are not necessarily plant all of the plants that are on the wall but they're plants that we have used in various gardens that we've done really like outdoor gardens that we've done in other locations.
00:46:42
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That's amazing work and amazing, I mean, the detail and the information that you're expounding and the way you're doing it, it's so pertinent.
00:46:53
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I mean, I don't even know what to say.
00:46:55
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Thank you.
00:46:58
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And AIR worked together with National Women's Liberation, and Bifandia is connected.
00:47:06
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She works with them with National Abortion Liberation.
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National Women's Liberation Movement.
00:47:15
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It's okay, it's a mouthful.
00:47:17
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Can you tell us your name?
Lysania Cruz on Women's Liberation and Abortion Rights
00:47:20
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Yeah, my name is Lysania Cruz and I'm an artist.
00:47:24
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But today I'm super grateful because I'm kind of like representing a group, a radical feminist group I'm part of, which is the National Women's Liberation Group.
00:47:35
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And it's been...
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attached to Red Stockings, which was one of the founding feminist groups in like the 60s and 70s.
00:47:46
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And right now we have a pledge to aid and abate abortion.
00:47:51
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And we're just trying to kind of like
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get people to sign the pledge, but also to understand all these trigger laws that are happening across the nation, but also globally, right?
00:48:04
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Like how come some countries in Latin America are now getting into getting abortion to be legalized and we are actually going back in the United States?
00:48:16
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So, yeah, it's it's
00:48:20
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We have study groups, so we organize in Florida and here in New York, and we're just trying to really to fight for abortion rights, reproductive justice, but also the double day, which is like, you know, the work that women do for care in the home that it's unpaid.
00:48:42
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So much, so many fronts to kind of like fight.
00:48:45
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You mentioned international.
00:48:47
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You're a fellow Dominicana, como yo.
00:48:51
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Dominican Republic is not known for their... No, and actually there's a great movement happening right now on Las Tres Causales.
00:48:59
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And, you know, it's like, I'm also in support with like the folks that are organizing in the DR, you know, like just last year we had this camp that happened in front of like the national
00:49:14
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I don't know how you would call it, El Palacio Nacional.
00:49:19
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And, you know, it's been amazing to watch and support from the diaspora here.
00:49:26
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And, you know, I was just reading today some data from the DR, and there was like around 200 girls that were underage, like from nine to 12 years that had
00:49:44
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had just had birth and that's like an estimate in the in the in the Dominican Republic so we really need to try to connect globally on like what's going on.
00:49:56
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I agree.
00:49:57
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Well thank you guys so much for the amazing work you're doing and the advocacy that you're bringing up.
00:50:03
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Thanks for yours for interviewing us.
00:50:07
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All right, so I think we're done.
Final Reflections on Freeze Experience
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We survived.
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We made it.
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Overwhelming at times.
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Frustrating at times.
00:50:16
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Really good at times.
00:50:18
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Really covered the gamut.
00:50:20
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Yeah, I think initially I was like, uh-oh, this is not going to go well.
00:50:24
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And then we took our coffee break, and you seem to think the coffee made the turn.
00:50:28
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I think so.
00:50:28
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I think our first move should have been coffee, and the rest of the day would have been smooth.
00:50:34
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How about skipping the blue chip area?
00:50:36
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Also would have been smooth.
00:50:39
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Anything, any highlights?
00:50:41
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I really love the paintings at Rachel Uffner.
00:50:44
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Those were just like really stellar knockouts.
00:50:47
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I think that was possibly my favorite pieces from the day.
00:50:52
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Agreed.
00:50:53
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And that sound piece with the glass from the Colombian Gallery.
00:50:59
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Oh, yeah.
00:51:00
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Also really fantastic.
00:51:01
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Brazilian Gallery?
00:51:03
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Colombian.
00:51:04
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Yeah, that was also really good, too.
00:51:07
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I just, yeah, seeing so much stuff, it starts to blend together.
00:51:10
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So all in all, pretty good thing, success?
00:51:14
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Yeah, I think it was a really good success.
00:51:17
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By the end of the day, I felt like we had really hit a groove just being able to meet really wonderful people who were super generous with their time and offering their insights.
00:51:28
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And I feel really lucky to be there listening to it happen in the moment.
00:51:33
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Same here.
00:51:34
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So signing off from Freeze New York 2022.
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This is Alessandro Silver and Matthew Cronin.
00:51:42
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See you guys next year, I guess.
00:51:44
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Right.
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See you in a year.
00:51:54
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Arranging Tangerines is recorded, edited, and produced by Lydian Stater, an evolving curatorial platform based in New York City with a focus on the intersection of contemporary and crypto art.
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00:52:11
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Thanks to everyone who took the time to speak to us this week.
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You can learn more about them and see some of the wonderful works described in the description links.
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Big thanks to Tal Juan, who graciously provides our intro music.
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His albums are available at talwan.bandcamp.com.
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And thank you to you, listener, for spending your valuable time with us.
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