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Speaker: Welcome to Arranging Tangerines, presented by Lady and Stater.
Speaker: Conversations with contemporary artists, curators, and thinkers about the intersection of art, technology, and commerce.
Speaker: Your hosts are me, Alessandro Silver and Joseph Wilcox.
Speaker: I know what to do.
Speaker: I don't know what to say.
Speaker: I just know I don't want to be like you.
Speaker: I know what to do.
Speaker: I don't know what to say.
Speaker: I just know I don't want
Speaker: This week we talk about our new subscription initiative for the 2023 calendar year.
Speaker: What is a Lydian Stater collector's pass?
Speaker: What does one get with the pass?
Speaker: And how would one go about acquiring said pass?
Speaker: I'm recording.
Speaker: You're recording.
Speaker: It's you and I. And maybe a robot.
Speaker: We'll see.
Speaker: Sometimes robots.
Speaker: And sometimes robots.
Speaker: That's the name of our band.
Speaker: I would think it's the name of the other podcast we have.
Speaker: Or album, or both.
Speaker: And sometimes robots.
Speaker: And sometimes robots.
Speaker: So yeah, let's start off with congrats on the successful opening last round.
Speaker: Yes, congratulations to you as well.
Speaker: Yeah, it's funny to say congrats to each other about a thing that we're doing, but we're also participating in as artists, but also as gallerists, question mark?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I mean, artist run space, I think is becoming more and more of a thing.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I still like the idea of it, of it feeling like a hybrid, muddy genre artist run slash commercial space.
Speaker: Absolutely.
Speaker: Speaking of artist run, congrats on that piece that you had in the show, the painting of Al Bundy.
Speaker: Yes, Married with Children.
Speaker: I don't actually remember the entire title of the piece because, I mean, it's after Umberto Boccioni, which I think is how you say that famous futurist's name.
Speaker: Parentheses.
Speaker: Order ID 634-AE7B067573-AEFF5BE26A.
Speaker: Oh, so the order number?
Speaker: From instapainting.com.
Speaker: Nice.
Speaker: Now, I was going to say that that forlorn look on his face is just priceless.
Speaker: Just like in his element or worst nightmare, trapped in that shoe store, head down, hands on head.
Speaker: Actually, you can't see his face because his hands are covering.
Speaker: His face is in his hands, as you do at the end of an existential crisis, I think.
Speaker: As one would do.
Speaker: Or in the middle of, I should say.
Speaker: Probably in the middle of.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And congrats to you on your piece.
Speaker: And piece is.
Speaker: Thanks.
Speaker: And the show.
Speaker: The namesake artworks for the podcast.
Speaker: Oh, right.
Speaker: You're sewn up tangerine.
Speaker: Somebody was like, this looks like the logo for your podcast.
Speaker: And I was like, that's because that's where it came from.
Speaker: It makes a lot of sense.
Speaker: It had to come from somewhere, right?
Speaker: So I always think about...
Speaker: Oh, gosh.
Speaker: There's a delay, right?
Speaker: There's a delay.
Speaker: Like I say a thing, and then it takes three seconds, and then you respond to it.
Speaker: I'm not saying we need to stop or start over.
Speaker: I'm just saying this is the thing that I'm feeling.
Speaker: So I wanted to put it out into the Zoomiverse.
Speaker: We might have to splice the thing tighter.
Speaker: Sure.
Speaker: I mean, that's all that's all you.
Speaker: But you were saying I was saying that I have a tendency to and I think in contrast to you, I have a tendency to want to want to just put things out there because they're because I want them to go like they might not be done.
Speaker: or ready or whatever because I think that nothing is really ever ready and so when I like have a thing that's kind of done I like want to I want to send it out and put it into the world and so I feel like both our our logo for Lydian Stater and the artwork for the Arranging Tangerines podcast both fall into that category where we were like oh we need a website and I was like well websites need a logo and then I made it
Speaker: And then that was it.
Speaker: And then that was the logo, which I really liked the logo.
Speaker: I liked it when I made it.
Speaker: I still like it now.
Speaker: I like it even more now because it is, its feel is a little bit in contrast to the nature of a lot of the things we do.
Speaker: And I like whatever irony and juxtaposition.
Speaker: But so when I was trying to come up with the artwork for the podcast, I was like, oh, I'll just steal Alex's because I have one of your tangerines on my desk or whatever in my studio.
Speaker: I was like, oh, I'll just steal this and make a picture out of it.
Speaker: And that'll be the cover.
Speaker: And now it is.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And it feels right.
Speaker: It does feel right.
Speaker: Yeah, I guess that same ethos is I kind of just put together that arranged those tangerines in that baseball display case.
Speaker: Kind of like a work in progress to see what reaction and people would say.
Speaker: It's been nice.
Speaker: I like the connection between baseball and the shapes and the objects and the jewel-like quality of the sparkling staples.
Speaker: And then the juxtaposition of those little abstract little sculptures.
Speaker: So yeah, people should come check both of those pieces out and then some.
Speaker: Yeah, right.
Speaker: We're like tooting our own horn here to have some fodder for the beginning.
Speaker: But really what we're here to talk about is all of the other artists in the show and a new initiative we're doing for 2023, which is the Lydian Stater Collector Pass.
Speaker: So what is the Lydian Stater Collector Pass?
Speaker: I'm glad you asked, Alessandro.
Speaker: So the Lydian Stater Collector Pass, actually, I'm going to read it verbatim from our website because I already did the copy and then I'll expound.
Speaker: So the Lydian Stater Collector Pass is an annual pass issued in the form of an NFT that guarantees ownership of exclusive physical and digital artworks from every artist,
Speaker: exhibited in our 2023 season.
Speaker: Meaning that it's a pass that you buy, it's an NFT, you buy it once a year, and it guarantees you a physical artwork, some kind of addition artwork, and a different unique NFT artwork from every artist that we're showing at Lydian Stater for 2023, which is now kind of like set in clay, I wouldn't say stone, because we're still
Speaker: figuring out dates, but we know, I mean, our calendar is now full.
Speaker: And so that all of those artists will be some artists that maybe if people have been following what we've been doing, have heard their names before.
Speaker: If they haven't, they might be new, but then some, some kind of like co-conspirators that haven't showed up yet as artists in the exhibition, but will also be showing their work.
Speaker: So it's going to be a
Speaker: Matthew Cronin, Carlos Franco, Vietika Helbins, Annika Todd, Catalina Tuca, Heidi Yang, Elisa Yang, and then Alessandro Silver and Joseph Wilcox.
Speaker: I just want to make a note that originally Alessandro and Joseph Wilcox were not necessarily going to participate in the artist side of this, but after some prompting from the crew, decided that we would love to.
Speaker: And we felt accepted into their, I don't know, art making enterprise where we where we felt like we we should and could be a part of it.
Speaker: I was gonna say, absolutely.
Speaker: There's something about allowing oneself to be vulnerable and also just showing that we're part of the collective, us collectively doing this thing and taking it where it goes.
Speaker: Yeah, and I would say like it is a collective, but it's not like a collective with a capital C. It could be.
Speaker: It just hasn't really been defined that way.
Speaker: It's a group of artists who have decided to do a thing together.
Speaker: But there are some ties that now bind us, which is like we're all a part of this specific thing that's attached to a collector pass.
Speaker: Economically, it's set up so that any NFT collector passes that are sold, the profits will be split between the gallery and all of the artists evenly.
Speaker: And so, I mean, we talked to when we had the conversation with Elisa Gutierrez about this, this idea that like it doesn't matter like who like who's the artist that convinces somebody they should buy a pass or multiple artists that convince somebody.
Speaker: The kind of like reward goes to everybody.
Speaker: And so there's a little bit of incentive there to.
Speaker: to kind of promote the past itself and like each other's work.
Speaker: And so I think we've already seen that a little bit with the opening of the exhibition, which felt I mean, which felt really good.
Speaker: It was like a nice it was just like a nice group effort at doing a thing together that like I feel like group shows don't necessarily always feel that way because it's like a top down kind of thing where a curator is getting a bunch of artists together.
Speaker: And like, yeah, we like asked everybody to do this thing with us.
Speaker: But it's like, there's lots of interconnections that existed before we decided to like, smash this group together, right?
Speaker: Where people knew each other before we knew them.
Speaker: And we introduced some people to people and they had exhibitions together and so on and so forth.
Speaker: And so it's been like, I don't know, it's been this nice organic process.
Speaker: No, I was going to say the exhibition as a showcase for the upcoming season, I think from my perspective, it's a brilliant sendoff because of the work that the artists submitted and how it kind of relates to their practice and just kind of hints to the future.
Speaker: And the show collectively looks really good together in our new space.
Speaker: But I was going to ask you.
Speaker: It looks fantastic.
Speaker: It looks really good.
Speaker: I was going to ask you for the collector listening or the potential collector listening, what do they get for in exchange for them acquiring a collector's pass?
Speaker: Also a great question.
Speaker: So the collector pass, first, we'll say, what are you trading, right?
Speaker: You're trading some money to us for this thing.
Speaker: And so the collector pass is priced on a sliding scale, which is meant to both encourage people who have less disposable income to be able to participate, but also just to acknowledge that there's different socioeconomic statuses out there.
Speaker: And so the pass is between $500 and $2,000, and you can choose any price in there and everybody gets the same thing.
Speaker: And so that includes 18 total artworks that were kind of mentioned earlier, nine of those being physical artworks, nine of them being unique NFT artworks as well.
Speaker: And those would come out with the opening of each exhibition that we're going to have in 2023.
Speaker: And so nine artists, two works from each of them, one physical, one digital.
Speaker: And then in addition to that, there's going to be some real life community events that will happen that pass holders can participate in if they're local to New York City or if they want to travel to a thing that we're doing for whatever reason.
Speaker: There's going to be first access to regular artworks in the show because every artwork in the show will still be for sale like it normally is.
Speaker: And so those works will be available to pass holders kind of on a first access.
Speaker: access basis and with 10% discount.
Speaker: There's going to be some exclusive digital content like podcast extras.
Speaker: I don't know if people actually want those, but that's something that they're going to get is some podcast extras from us, which Lisa Yang suggested some kind of drunk history style conversations, which I'm certainly open to.
Speaker: And then some video studio tours from the artists where there's kind of like some exclusive looks inside of the process.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: And then there'll be a chance for collectors to kind of like share their thoughts about where we are and where we're going.
Speaker: Because basically we're thinking of people buying in as being part of this project and excited about the artists that are in it and kind of the gallery slash space as a whole.
Speaker: So there'll be a chance for people to kind of like contribute their thoughts about what that could look like.
Speaker: Oh, and you get like a really cool Lydian Stater.
Speaker: 3d object nft as like a piece oh and if you're an early collector our first i think if you're among the first 10 which maybe there's only five left or so now you get a gift swag bag filled with an artwork from every artist that's participating and this is just like a bonus perk and i and i think that these feel the objects that are in here feel a little bit more kind of
Speaker: of like gifts that are a little more fun in nature.
Speaker: Some examples include process prints from Matthew Cronin for his new photo series.
Speaker: These like really great giant bolts that are 3D printed that have been turned into flowers from Hoity Gang, which are like
Speaker: that show up in a lot of her artwork.
Speaker: But there are these like kind of like gift flower bolt type things that I'm really excited to get one because I know we're going to all trade works with each other too.
Speaker: You also get a mixtape from me with some spoken word, political and art essays.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: There's some screen prints.
Speaker: No, no, no.
Speaker: Lithographs from you, right?
Speaker: Lithographs that have been modified.
Speaker: Linocuts, yeah.
Speaker: Linocuts.
Speaker: That's what I meant.
Speaker: There's zines from Elisa.
Speaker: There's objects from Catalina.
Speaker: There's like make your own Vietzka Helben's artworks with a whole kit on how to make a work of hers.
Speaker: I mean, it sounds pretty amazing.
Speaker: So you're telling me that not only do you get the 18 works, in addition to that, if you're a collector, one of the first 10 or so collectors, you get an additional nine real pieces that are super interesting, super personal, I think.
Speaker: Where can I sign up?
Speaker: So the place where you can find these is at our website, www.lidianstater.co.
Speaker: And then there is an icon right on the front.
Speaker: You can click there.
Speaker: you can read more about all of the, all of what the initiative involves.
Speaker: There's, there's like a whole FAQ about
Speaker: questions that you might have that are related to pricing or the blockchain that the NFTs are going to be minted on and all of those kinds of things, as well as kind of like a gallery of the different collector NFTs that you can get when you actually purchase it.
Speaker: The Lilithian Stater collector pass NFTs that come in exclusive, unique colors that I handpicked in Blender using Blender for the first time, which I was pretty excited about.
Speaker: So anyways, yeah, that's where you can find it on our website.
Speaker: Sounds great.
Speaker: And then I guess my final question is, if somebody wants to purchase a pass, but is not very crypto savvy and doesn't, I mean, given the news and all the turmoil, what if they don't necessarily want to deal with the crypto side, but they, would you or us, would we be able to give them, say, make a wallet for them and just hand, basically hand deliver to them the NFTs so they don't have to deal with signing up for wallets and doing all the digital stuff?
Speaker: aspect?
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: So we do take cash.
Speaker: So if you don't necessarily want to have to learn how to buy Tezos or crypto, we have an option where you can pay right through your credit card through PayPal.
Speaker: And we can, yeah, I mean, we could set up a wallet for somebody.
Speaker: The webpage isn't set up like that right now.
Speaker: It has instructions on how to make your own.
Speaker: But as I have done many times before, I'm happy to set up a wallet and or do a one-on-one session with
Speaker: somebody if they're interested in doing that, or they could participate if they're interested in one of our NFT 101 sessions that will be happening probably in the next, I don't know, a couple of weeks, because I just said that we're going to do it, which means now that now we are.
Speaker: Great.
Speaker: That sounds wonderful.
Speaker: So how long is the show running for?
Speaker: And what else can we expect from this past and from Lindy and Stater?
Speaker: The show, the current show, which is called In Good Company, is up until December 18.
Speaker: It is open on Saturday afternoons from 12 to 5.
Speaker: And by appointment, if you can't make a Saturday and you want to come see it, you can come and hang out and check out the space and see all the work and get a
Speaker: taste for what what the work's going to look like and the artists that we're working with if you're not already familiar and we will likely be doing a closing reception on december 17th which is a saturday which would be a great day to come out and check out the work as well those last days tend to be a little more traffic there's more traffic on those days because everybody's always like so busy and then they're like oh the thing's ending i gotta go do it i myself am included that's why like if you like open
Speaker: And up like art guide on our forum, it sorts it by which one's closing soonest because there's like a million shows and you don't want to miss the one that you want to go see.
Speaker: But also any Saturday before that, we're going to be open.
Speaker: And I don't know what should people expect from us more after that.
Speaker: I mean, just a continuation of this ethos and this theme of just showing great people great work and giving people opportunities to kind of dip their toes into contemporary art and the other way as well into NFTs as something more than just something that's a volatility indicator.
Speaker: More like a midpoint or liminal space between the real and virtual worlds we already currently inhabit.
Speaker: But yeah, the closing sounds like an exceptional time to come and pick up one's tote with additional artworks for the collector's pass.
Speaker: And then the first exhibition from the artists that are a part of this in 2023 is going to be a two-person show opening in January with Vietika Helbins and Matthew Cronin, which I think will be a really nice pairing of works together.
Speaker: So that's also something that people can look forward to.
Speaker: And that'll be the first works that are actually released as part of the collector pass.
Speaker: Very, very exciting.
Speaker: Well, thanks, Joseph.
Speaker: Yes, thank you, Alessandro.
Speaker: I feel like you should have done infomercials for a living.
Speaker: I guess you are, actually.
Speaker: All right, let's cut it.
Speaker: We gotta cut it.
Speaker: That's definitely enough.
Speaker: Great chat.
Speaker: Arranging Tangerines is recorded, edited, and produced by Lydian Stater, an evolving curatorial platform based in New York City with a focus on the intersection of contemporary and crypto art.
Speaker: You can learn more at lydianstater.co, find images at lydianstaternyc on Instagram, and follow us at lydianstater on Twitter.
Speaker: Thanks for taking the time to listen to us this week.
Speaker: If you'd like to learn more about the Lydian Stater Collector's Pass, short pause, please visit our website.
Speaker: Big thanks to Talwan, who graciously provides our intro music.
Speaker: His albums are available at talwan.bandcamp.com.
Speaker: And thank you to you, listener, for spending your valuable time with us.
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