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Hammering Away Ep #9 - Gianluca, Why?
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On today's episode of the podcast Jack and Joe discuss Gianluca Scamacca's comments about a possible move to Roma this summer, West Ham's rumored James Ward-Prowse bid, Tyler Adams interest, and more!
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Transcript
Introduction and Weekly Rundown
00:00:26
Speaker
Welcome back to the hammering away podcast. This is episode nine. I'm gonna be your host as always. My name is Jack Coogan joined by mr. Joe before again and It's Thursday July 13th Nothing is happening for us nothing Nothing good is happening
00:00:51
Speaker
Um, there's plenty happening. Rice is
Player Departures and Media Influence
00:00:54
Speaker
going to be gone tomorrow. Apparently. I don't know if you saw that update and also this Italian guy wants out. He's really something, huh? This guy was like, it never ends. And you know, I, I defended him to the, you know, to the absolute limit this season while he's been out.
00:01:14
Speaker
You and I both agree on how we look at him as a player, but he's really not doing us any favors with all this talk. I don't get why he did the interview. That's my whole thing. I actually don't have that big of an issue with anything we said. The only issue I have with I think the whole situation is like, why did you do it?
00:01:40
Speaker
Mm-hmm. It's like and
Criticism of Serie A and La Liga
00:01:42
Speaker
but my biggest issue with the I told you about this it's the Italian media They do this with all these players, bro They did the literally the media just has to unsettle them to bring them back to Syria Because that he does no money because they didn't capitalize when they were great Yeah, they're a bunch of hacks those go Syria Well, it's Syria and it's La Liga Mm-hmm to loser leagues
00:02:09
Speaker
They can't contend with the pristine coverage that we the standard that we said here at hammering away. That's for sure
Skamaka's Controversial Interview
00:02:15
Speaker
Yeah, but like you know, it's like these two leagues. It's not like the Premier League was like Not to be used upon but it's not like the Premier League was the Premier League When the TV deal that caused this whole Spiral into the Premier League basically being the Super League happened like the Syria
00:02:38
Speaker
They had Champions League winners. They had Inter and AC Milan were both great. They had Juventus, all those folks. I mean, Ronaldinho was playing over there. You know what? Like, I get it. Like, I get all this. But at the end of the day, like, Skamaka did say this stuff. Like, these words did leave his mouth, and he needs to be held accountable, you know? But the thing is, but that's my thing, is like, people act like, oh, like, where's Moyes? Like, hard.
00:03:06
Speaker
He's going to be held accountable behind closed doors. Do people not think that this just isn't going to come up? Yeah. I mean, you know, Moiz is Moiz is going to see this and we know how, you know, how he deals with things. He's not too, he's not afraid to hold back against players publicly. And I imagine privately as well. Yeah. Yeah.
00:03:30
Speaker
I would imagine if anything, he's just learned to be nicer publicly. I doubt the behind the scene stuff has changed that much with him. Yeah. I guess my issue with
Fan Reactions and Player Accountability
00:03:41
Speaker
the interview is like, well, first of all, the things that he said, I feel like are normal things that players say when they're at like a lesser club talking about a bigger club and
00:03:57
Speaker
and it doesn't and and they usually say it when they're performing well like samaka i think he's great but he really didn't do anything to warrant the way he's talking he's talking so big right now no yeah i mean he's always been confident in his abilities with that i also the thing about it and what billy mckinley said one of our assistant coaches they kind of backs up how i believe
00:04:23
Speaker
I don't think he was talking in a way where he's like trying to get a move. I think he's just lived. I remember he's a 23, 24 year old kid, just like we are a kid is like really stretching it at this point. We've been at work every day, but you know, like he's a young guy. And if he's speaking candidly, I guess I can't hate that much, but it's, you know, if anything, it's a learning experience and how to deal with the press. I
Skamaka's Commitment and Future Role
00:04:50
Speaker
guess so. Yeah.
00:04:51
Speaker
But if it was me, I'd be hammer for life. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, I would be, I'd be hammer for life too. But I think it's just mostly like they asked him about his, cause they didn't ask about. All right. Let me read your face. They asked him about like all the other rumors. He said, despite all the rumors, I'm happy here. That's what he said. And then they specifically asked him about Roma, which they know is his like childhood favorite team. And like, he probably gave too honest of an answer.
00:05:20
Speaker
There are also some tidbits that I didn't really appreciate, like him saying the conference league title is mine. Maybe it was a bad translation. I think it was a bad translation. It had to be, right? Because no, that's not how I took that at all. When I read that...
00:05:38
Speaker
I took it as like, he felt as if like, he deserved the medal. Yeah, he felt a part of it. Yeah, I didn't think that he thought the trophy was his. That's definitely not how I took that. He's like, yeah, you know, I started I scored against the Andorlecht, Barnaca and the, where else the fuck he scored, I scored in the qualifier. This is my trophy.
00:06:05
Speaker
He got honestly snubbed for a player of the tournament. You know, those
Team Adaptation Post-Rice
00:06:11
Speaker
three goals were so influential. Yeah. Well, when did the third come? Cause he had two in qualifiers. It was, it was Larnaca. Well, no, I named it was Larnaca. And you're like, well, that was the most recent one, obviously. Um, and he scored in Belgium.
00:06:32
Speaker
He must have scored. He scored in both qualifiers. Both legs. So maybe that doesn't count? Because he had, it was three. Yeah, no, there's one more because he had three Premier League goals. And then he would have had five in Europe. He would have scored against, oh, it was, uh, it was in Denmark against Silkport. Right. Remember?
00:07:02
Speaker
It was a part, it wasn't that a piketa assist? It was a corneasist. Really? Yeah, because we won the ball back high. And he kind of just turned and shot it. It was not totally similar to the Lee's goalie scored, but like... Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Damn idea. Yeah. He's good, man. That's my biggest thing with him. It doesn't seem like he's desperate to get out. I think a lot of people
00:07:32
Speaker
took it as he's desperate to get out. I personally didn't take it that way. Obviously, I'm pretty upset that he did the interview at all. I think just a lot of fans in this fanbase are so raring to jump on him for no reason. Well, I mean, that's how it always is with expensive players who don't necessarily run a lot.
00:07:56
Speaker
Yeah, I guess so. That's even how it is with expensive players who do do a little bit of running. I mean, Felipe Anderson statistically did running at least the first the first year he did. I mean, Paquetta ran like a dog for that. That's part of his game. People were ready to kill him. But yeah, I just think it's part of what comes with being a big money striker at this club is people
00:08:25
Speaker
as bad as they want you to succeed, they want you to fail more for whatever reason. But he's very clearly a talented player. And that's the other thing is like he sounds confident. And I think he knows just as well as we know. And like I was saying before about Billy McKinley said he's not going anywhere. There's no intention in the club to sell him. I don't think that there's any intention from Skamaka to really force his way out.
00:08:49
Speaker
And until I see Fubrizio tell me that, uh, what's the word he loves to use? He insists until he insists. I think it's fine. Yeah. And one more interesting part of the interview that we haven't talked about is that he was playing with the torn meniscus all season. Not all season. He is probably playing with it. I wonder when he tore it. Well, he said all season. Get the fuck out of here. He was at what the translation is.
00:09:19
Speaker
I think so. And then it eventually reached a point where he couldn't do it anymore. And he kept like, like missing time and then like trying to rehab it and then coming back and then eventually. And then he finally got the surgery. Yeah. That would actually make more sense because I can't, I can't like put a specific incident after the world cup to mind where he did it. Should've just got the surgery then.
Transfer Strategy Concerns and Speculations
00:09:44
Speaker
Yeah. You, you'd think, I don't know.
00:09:47
Speaker
I don't know what the rationale was, but that's what he said. Honestly, it doesn't matter to me. He says he's going to play well this year. We'll see. We could really use it because with Rice going, we need other guys to step up. We're going to have to become like a different team in a way. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, we're going to have basically a completely new midfield to start the season.
00:10:14
Speaker
Yeah. And so much of what we did and so much of the reasons why we were good can all be traced back to Rice as an individual player too. So like it's time for, you know, it's really the three big money signings from last summer who were the main ones. Yeah. Pick out this, make the team their own. And then obviously Zuma and Bowen will help.
00:10:38
Speaker
Well, I think Bowen is very much so that three as any Oh, no, he is a part of the three, but I think it's more like He also had a big imprint on why we were already good Step up they're really the transitional players more than he is. Mm-hmm Yeah, I get that It's gonna be nice to have a full season of like, you know
00:11:06
Speaker
piqueta being settled being healthy and maka having a preseason and a meniscus and a meniscus apparently allegedly it's weird i like i can't imagine them letting him do that maniscus you mean you know meniscuses are tricky
00:11:31
Speaker
Well, I guess it could have been messy and they could have not really been able to tell. And I guess B, they could have just been like, well, you can't do any more damage. I think that that's a big thing. If he couldn't do any more damage, they'd be more willing to let him fly. Because professional athletes play through a ton of pain because of torn meniscus all the time.
00:11:59
Speaker
more often than not, it like, you know, visibly like impacts their performance, but like, it's not gonna hurt there. Like, it's not gonna make it worse. Probably what the way as you were saying, the risk that's Kamaka to, and it would make sense why, you know, it would compute that he wasn't running and you know, I don't think he's much of a runner anyways, to be fair. But I do think that more like I've said this to you before, I think a full preseason, especially with noise,
00:12:30
Speaker
and like just like a full year of like understanding what's expected of him. And because Moyes like,
Preseason Planning and Travel Concerns
00:12:37
Speaker
I've said this a million times, Moyes talks so highly in Skamaka. And it's not just because he plays here, like Moyes has never been shy to be honest about a player. And he wouldn't talk as highly about Skamaka as he does if he didn't believe it. So I think just after a full year, if we're either going to see the best of him, or he's not going to be a fan player in 2024.
00:13:01
Speaker
Yeah, that's that's the truth of it. There's no in between where he's just okay. We haven't even seen him to a point really where he was like consistently able to do a full 90. Yeah, that's what's crazy. And I don't think that that's like, just who he is. I just can't buy that. Yeah, it's definitely not unrelated to the meniscus issue.
00:13:25
Speaker
Yeah. And I just like, I just have a hard time believing that just like as a professional footballer, he can't get to a point, especially with his physique. Like it's not like he's an out of shape guy. Yeah. I mean, he looks, I mean, he looks incredible. Yeah. It's all heard. Um, but that's like kind of why I wish that we could have watched the boron wood game. I need to start streaming these preseason games because like in the highlights, he looked pretty sharp. Looks good.
00:13:53
Speaker
Yeah, he looked like a player who was just getting like his legs under him, but you know you saw the quality that he brings It was definitely flashing which was promising even though it was against Borem would like I'm excited to see where this goes if you you know Well, there was the clip. There's the clip that we posted with the flick the four now's which isn't really intended for him and
00:14:17
Speaker
Which was intended for him, but it was going to Coventry and it was gonna be yeah Now it was gonna be like oh a nice little flick and then it turned it for now is turning into something crazy Dude, he looks like a player who's trying to earn that spot back just to talk about public though for a second It looks like somebody who? Wants to play more games this year and he's got a note there. We're gonna sign a left winger Yeah, which is probably what's what's causing all this? I mean, he's always been a guy who's you know, super competitive guy
00:14:47
Speaker
Uh, it does not surprise me in the slightest that, you know, he's working hard. He was always going to respond this year, but it's going to turn into, it's going to turn into Ben Rama is the backup 10. You think so? That's what I mean. We're not going to spend money on a 10 are we? I mean, we're definitely not spending money on 10. That's for sure. But in those scenarios, might we play.
00:15:16
Speaker
like downs or something in like a 4-3-3. I'm thinking more of like rotating for cup games, rotating for like a game and like, I don't know, Belgium. Well, I still think that'll probably be for now. I mean, it's like for now has been Rama, it's like switchable. I guess. But yeah, then there was the other clip against Bormwood. It was just like, I don't even remember what the chance turned into.
00:15:47
Speaker
but it was like played down the line and Skamaka like held the ball up and like played off I was telling you about this because a I was saying I kind of forgot how good he is technically like just like the ball is really attached to his foot but also he looked faster not to judge everything out of a five-second clip but I don't remember him running like that
00:16:07
Speaker
And maybe it has something to do with, you know, the opposition being like, yeah, not being athletic. Yeah. Well, it'll be interesting to see him play like a full game, but like him having a bursting run like that is pretty foreign. Cause it's, he could just be more free in his name. I want to watch the Spurs game. I mean, that's going to be on Tuesday and watch that before work. It's like at seven. I'm not watching this part of the game. Not doing it.
00:16:37
Speaker
I'll be up. What time is it starting? It sticks in the morning on Saturday. You're going to be up. Dude, it's West Ham. It is West Ham. I'm starving. That's the one thing I keep thinking about this part of the game is like, I'm starving. It's been, it feels like yesterday we watched the- Well, that's what's crazy about it. It was the Borem wood game. I was not even ready to watch highlights. The final just happened.
00:17:04
Speaker
Like still like pretty emotionally drained from that. Extremely hungover. And like now we have to watch a team without Rice. It's pretty messed up. It is brutal that it's like, okay, yeah, you just have like the greatest moment in like your history watching sports. Now you get to watch this team get stripped of their best player. Yeah. Well, you know, the more I think about it, the more I'm like, you know, we're not going to have a terrible midfield next year. Even like,
00:17:34
Speaker
I mean, it depends. It depends. It definitely depends. Provided that it's not James Ward Prowse, you know, I'm still in denial that that's going to be an actual thing. I think Zachariah is going to be awesome for us. What if he gets hurt? I'm not trying to put bad vibes into the air, but I am also a big fan of Zachariah, but there's just no guarantees that he's going to be healthy.
00:18:02
Speaker
Well, if the, if the, if the rumored fee that came out today, 13 million is, is what we get them for, then it's, it's basically a no risk thing. I completely agree. He, he should be signed if it's 20. Oh yeah. That's that's about as with injury, without injuries, honestly, he'd probably be like a 40 million pound player. He was a 40 million pound player last summer. It was a loan to buy for 37 or something like that. Was it for Chelsea?
00:18:32
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. So yeah,
Financial Aspects of Transfers
00:18:35
Speaker
I think that would actually be a fair that would be like, he is also my number one target. I'm just saying like, I think that we've all taken for granted just how automatic rice is from availability, the consistency and performances and everything like that. I think as good as much as we all think we know, I don't think any of us really know.
00:19:00
Speaker
Like we're all in for a rude awakening of what a human being playing such a material looks like. Yeah. I mean, he just didn't make sense. Like he played, played every single game for, and he played every single game here, basically. Well, yeah, I can name on one hand, like we can go through this right now. I can name on one hand, three times I walked away, like not three, like less than five times I walked away from the game and I was braced with just like shit. It was Brayton at home.
00:19:30
Speaker
this year. I know I missed this game because I was at a wedding. The first half of Newcastle away 21-22. And you know, not to cut your train of thought, but we really have only
00:19:55
Speaker
ever won one time where we played, where we won in spite of a bad rise performance. And that was the conference. So that's three. I forgot about that. So the conference final three. So if you're in Tina, Brighton. Brighton twice this season. Yeah. He's so fake. Dude, three of them were this year. How crazy is that?
00:20:23
Speaker
And he was still unbelievable, not even a take away from him. I mean, yeah, he was still the best center mid defensive midfielder in the league. Remember when we lost 2-0 to Arsenal at the Emirates? Yes. That was probably our worst performance of, I guess, two seasons to go now. Was he good that day?
00:20:47
Speaker
That was, this was opening day of 21, 22. No, no, no, no, no. This was December of 21, 22. December of 21, 22. We were like fourth, they were fifth. If we beat them, we set a top four. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. If they beat us. They handled us. I was like, I was like in finals at that point. I think that I wasn't too checked in for that game. I was distraught that day. I like actually blocked that out of my mind. I was so mad.
00:21:16
Speaker
Because that was so unlike that team. They just didn't come to play. But I'm not going to say he played bad that day because I can't remember. I'm sure he played bad. He stinks. And then there was the mistake he made against Arsenal when he was a little baby. Right. That was my very first impression of him. That was your first West Ham season. I always forget that.
00:21:39
Speaker
Yeah, that was no that was that was the first I've ever heard of Declan Rice. You were like, there's this kid. He plays center back. He's like 16 or whatever. He's 18. He's 18. Yeah, he's nice. He's Irish. He's Irish. And then he's he's Irish and he's a West Ham player. Two lies and he's going three lies.
00:22:08
Speaker
How many lies is that gonna tell us? Plenty. You see that post of him today where someone asked him about Arsenal, he said, I don't know. I did see that, but I assume they asked him like a week ago. I didn't take that as today. Even if he did, I don't give a shit, man. He's their player, whatever. We got shit to do. We have more pressing matters at hand. And we're not doing anything.
00:22:38
Speaker
We're bidding for James Workhouse. We're not doing anything good. We're bidding for Dennis Sakuraya. That's good. That is good. I don't even know if I buy the WordPress bid, by the way. And even if we do bid, I think if they reject 25, we're going to be like, yeah, go get fucked. You know what I mean? We should.
00:23:00
Speaker
Well, no, but everything that X has said and all the new, all the reliable news that comes out is that we have major reservations about his age, wages, and fee. And the only thing that we like about him is that he's a leader. So it's like, like, we're not that that deal is not gonna happen. I can't imagine that deal happening.
00:23:25
Speaker
Well, the fee concerns is probably around what they had him at, and it was like 50 million or whatever from last season. So I think that we like him at 20, and I think that they value him at 40, which is like, get fucked. I have no idea what their basis is for that number at all. No way they can afford his wages in championship.
00:23:54
Speaker
Well, I guess with a lobby, they haven't stole anyone. There's no way that there's squad, like, like wall cots. I know wall cots not playing there for free. Well, they're about to get 60 million from love. Yeah. Yeah. But they said, but the wage bill is still the wage bill. They have so much money. They have all that money now to allocate there. Oh man. But they're still signing players. It's not like they're not signing players.
00:24:24
Speaker
They might be signing Flint Downs. Yeah. So James Lord Prowse is on $100k per week. Vorsage, who they signed in fucking January, and he's 30 years old, is on $80k per week. Brutal business. He hasn't even played for them. And when I was a free agent now, Theo Walcott's on $67k. And I assume
Midfield Combinations and Player Fit
00:24:49
Speaker
that at least some of these guys have, like, relegation clauses.
00:24:53
Speaker
which lower their wages, but it's still, it's not a small wage bill. Walcott's on 70k per week. Joe Arribo's on 60. Jan Bregner is on 60. L.A. Nussi's on 60. Stuart Armstrong's on 60. Adam Armstrong's on 55. McCarthy's 55. Jay Adams 50. Kaleidocar 50. Kyle Walker-Peters 50. Musijonepo 50. Bellacott's at 40.
00:25:23
Speaker
Every player that you can imagine that's relevant for them is on at least 40 K per week or more. Would you on a watch you was on 30 K per week. Well, he's not relevant. So yeah, he's not. Um, so, so would you, would you take word Prowse at less than, would you take him at like less than 20 and swallow my pride a little bit? Maybe.
00:25:50
Speaker
I'd have less, I'd have less bad things to say about it, but I would still just be like, this is like the plan. Yeah, I would personally I'd be a little I'd be rubbed the wrong way. If we sold
00:26:06
Speaker
you'll be our best player of the Premier League era for 105 million and spent 30 or 35 million in his position to replace him. I understand that like, Zachariah is a good value and that word proust of like 15 to 20 is theoretically good value. But like you gotta, it's got to be more than Zachariah and word proust. I'm not even convinced that those two work that well together. Word proust is not a good player.
00:26:34
Speaker
That's my thing. Like he's just, well, I just think that for us as a team, we've always, like the reason that we've always won midfield battles when we win them is because we're just more physically dominant than the other team and like better athletically. And I know that with different players that can change where I think part of it is just the way that Moyes operates and like how a Moyes team plays.
00:26:59
Speaker
And I don't think that WordPress is going to bring that. I think Zachariah is going to bring that. Oh, for sure. I think Zachariah is going to bring a lot of what Oh, Nana would have brought. Yeah. Just add, you know, with all the risks, a better ball carrier too. And he's more polished with the rock.
00:27:17
Speaker
Yeah. I was watching, I was watching, you know, some footage of him playing for Chelsea and it felt like he was very secure with the ball, both like, like in, like handling it and like with his passing. And it felt like he was taking less risks than he is capable of because he was playing with Georgina. So he was like, I also just think that he's like not a risk taker with the ball and that's okay.
00:27:46
Speaker
But I think, I'm saying that I think that he can be. I think that for a team like West Ham, where he is more like responsibility, he's not playing next to like a guy who's elite at progressing the ball with his passing, like Georgina, like he can show a little bit of that for us. Like I think he'll be showing. I think it'd be asked to do more with the ball. But I also think that,
00:28:14
Speaker
Zachariah and whoever this other midfielder are, I think a big part of their jobs is going to be like, hey, win that ball back and let Lucas Paqueta do what he does. But then again, that's a lot of pressure for Paqueta. I don't think Moyes is shy of putting that much pressure on a player. No, you're definitely right about that. We've seen that plenty of times over the years. It's going to happen again.
00:28:44
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, as the weeks have progressed, do you have a new favorite for whoever is going to be next to Zachariah? There's just no one that sticks out as like someone I think that we're going to sign. Not even who you think we're going to sign, just like who you think.
00:29:09
Speaker
Like, if I could choose anybody, who would I choose? In the universe of, like, people we could sign. Probably someone between LaVia Alvarez and Fofana. Yeah, I mean, Fofana's cooled down, unfortunately. And it's not even like other teams are stepping up their interests. I have no idea what's going on. Every summer, he's starting to get one of those red flags where it's like,
00:29:38
Speaker
Why does nobody want to buy him? But still, he's like French international. Like, that's a huge stamp of money. He's good. No, no, no. He's I agree. He's a lot better than fucking Sangare. I do agree with that. I want Tyler Adams, man. Give me Tyler. Oh, shit. No, I completely forgot. Yeah, Tyler Adams is the one. Adams and Zachariah. And I'm I'm very happy. I do think that that leaves us a little small.
00:30:08
Speaker
Firmly seem it does it though? Like Adams is physically small, but he's like a bulldog, you know Like he's he's better on the ball. He's given he's better on the ball than he's given credit for I think Zacharias sticks to bro. He's a small looking six two No, dude, he's a tank. He's long ass legs. He does have long ass legs I think and I think the other thing about Zachariah and Adams I think they Compliment each other really well
00:30:38
Speaker
And also with Adams, Moyes, allegedly, and S as a club we want, captains and stuff. Tyler Adams is the captain of his national team. Yeah, and he's a very good captain at that. By captain leads a bunch to CR too. I mean, if he was not captain by armband, he was definitely captain just naturally assert himself as a leader on that team. And it showed when he went down.
00:31:06
Speaker
Yeah, I was gonna say, you've seen that form chart about what happened to them after he got hurt, right? It's insane. They were like four teams. And if you remember, the United States international team had that whole controversy, you know, surrounding Gia Reyna. And Tyler Adams was like at the forefront of like, making sure the team was in the right headspace going into the World Cup.
00:31:32
Speaker
And I think they did well. Yeah. And they did well. They put it together despite their best player falling out with their manager. And you know what? Tyler Adams wouldn't audition against England. Oh, for sure. I mean, he was awesome that game. I forgot. I think there's a stigma around him because he landed at Leeds. But he's not a Leeds player. He's coming from the Red Bull Academy project.
00:32:02
Speaker
And, you know, he had a lot of excitement around him and then he went to Leeds because goddamn Jesse Marsh. Yeah. He's also like, and I think I've come to realize this over the last six months or so, because even I got caught up in the stigma. He's so much better with the ball than he's giving credit for. And he's, he's more, he's more than just this little bulldog running around, breaking shit up. He's more than that.
00:32:30
Speaker
That that that's who that's that's who James word process. I mean, but Tyler Adams like he is athletic to like he can move, bro. He's athletic. He's like super smart. He's secure with the ball. He like understands like how to progress the ball without taking risks like play. Who linked us with him today? Did anyone like us with him today? Yeah. No, no, no. That's why like when you said his name, I said I forgot because we were linked with him today.
00:33:00
Speaker
Oh, that was like, wasn't it, uh, wasn't it, uh, it was, it was in the same article about WordPress. That was the West Ham way. Friend of them. Oh, I don't give a shit. Whoa. Yeah, it is. Well, no, no, I don't care because, um, it's not ex affiliated. Yeah. Primarily panel said tower house would be great for the West Ham.
00:33:25
Speaker
I saw that and that got me, that was affirming my beliefs as a true American.
00:33:33
Speaker
Okay, so five days ago, a leads reporter tweeted that Tyler Adams 40 million pound price tag has not seemed to have waned off the interest of West Ham and Aston Villa. That's nothing. Like I initially was like 20 to 30 million, but honestly, I can be talked into a 40 million pound move for Tyler. We could probably get it to 30 to be honest. Yeah, I think so. Especially because I don't think Aston Villa will be in that race.
00:34:04
Speaker
No, no, no, they have bigger fist to fry. I mean, well, they signed, they signed to humans. They have Kamara, they have again, they have another midfielder. They have Jacob Ramsey. Yeah. Douglas Louise. That's what I was forgetting. Like they don't need Tyler Adams. That's a full, that's a full center mid room. Yeah. It would be gluttony to steal Tyler Adams from us.
00:34:31
Speaker
I just think the other thing he is a great fit, especially next to Zachariah. And I think the other thing is like people are freaking out. You know what I was looking at today? Moyes, at least at West Ham and like historically, he doesn't do his business this early in the window. Last year was an exception because like we were overhauling everything. But in his time at West Ham,
00:34:57
Speaker
Let me go. So year one, 1920, when he was hired, the January window, he signed C-Check. I don't actually remember that date off the top of my head, but Bowen was, it was like a, Bowen was, Bowen was deadline day. They had him on the train at like seven o'clock at night from home to London. And then C-Check was probably, yeah. Then Rama was eight hours after the deadline. Yeah.
00:35:27
Speaker
Um, and Sue check when he was made permanent, it was apparently on July 28th, 2020. I don't know how it went though. Oh, cause it would have been the lockout season. But like, I was thinking, why did the loan to buy take that long? But I guess it was cause the window went until like October that year. Um, but also Ben Rama was done, um, on deadline day, right? I don't know what date
Impact of Travel and European Signings
00:35:51
Speaker
that would have been October, like 16th, 21st, something like that. Yeah.
00:35:56
Speaker
Uh, Vladimir Kufo was signed on October 2nd. So that's effectively another August time. And he was signed after like two or three Premier League games. Um, and then 2122. The last, which was Kurt Zuma is August 28th. The last, which is August 31st. Yeah. And then there's a Garrett and Ariola were June 20th and June 27th, but Ariola, when he was signed on the loan,
00:36:25
Speaker
When was he signed? He was the first signing and it was mid-July, right? The date was probably coming up. That was like Euros was happening and we were kind of on pause while Moiz was there, if you remember that. Yeah, I do remember that. That's his thing, is he always takes on... I mean, whenever we talk to a twin about it, you always hear a twin talking about how
00:36:50
Speaker
This is how he operates. This is how Moiz operates, Hilo's saying that. I wish he didn't operate like this, you know? Especially in times like this. Like, I wish we just knew what our mission was. But, like, is it that big of a deal? Like, we're waiting for money to come in. People are crying about Diabi and Singare for no reason. Just subtweeting me right to my face. Dude, because it's ridiculous. Like, what are you crying about? We've never been linked with Diabi. We've never been linked with Diabi.
00:37:18
Speaker
I think it's more just me being nervous that Essenbuhler are actually making a good signing for once. You said signings with a plural like name the other good signing. I can't. They bid like half the asking price for Diabi. Like I'm good, we'll be alright.
00:37:41
Speaker
I guess, but I mean, they're actually good now and we can't just keep saying like, Oh, like they keep making all these signings that we want and they stay bad. But I'll be convinced that they're good if they can sustain it.
00:37:57
Speaker
They do have to sustain it. But they were really bad to start last season, too. So it kind of balances each other. Emory is a great coach. I'm not taking anything away from Emory. But Torres is an overhyped signing. I agree. Tillman's doesn't fit in Emory's team. I don't know what the hell that is. I think that's just them getting numbers up for the conference league. We'll see if he still has love for the game, as well. I'll be so mad if he starts trying again.
00:38:27
Speaker
We'll see. If this is the scene that makes him try again, I'll be stunned. Actually, I'll hate him forever. I already do. Just because he just didn't love the game the way that you did. He could have been great, man. He could have been great. And in turn, he relegated my beloved Lester City. He actually hates this sport.
00:38:56
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, I get why he plays it. He makes a lot of money. I get it. Yeah. But then, yeah, so last summer, we signed Ariola and a Garrett in June. We signed Flynn Downs on July 7th. We signed Gian Lucas Kamaka on July 26th, which is late July. And every other signing we made last summer was in August. Half the signings we made.
00:39:24
Speaker
Corne, Carrere, Emerson, and Paquetta. And if you think about it, if we acted early, we would have never gotten Paquetta. Because at that point in the window, when he became available, he didn't become available. That's the thing is that these prices will come down, which is even bigger for us this summer, because teams know that we have money. So July 15, they're going to take us for a ride.
00:39:51
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, like we have to focus on like somebody like Zachariah, you went this way desperate to get rid of them. And then we'll, and I'm sure, you know, after Zachariah thing gets done, which will hopefully be in the next two weeks, I would assume, I would hope by the next podcast that like, we got a great, you know what I mean? I want him two feet on Australian soil by the next time we, you guys hear from us.
00:40:20
Speaker
The next time they hear from us, we'll have returned from Australia. Oh, really? Yeah, the Tottenham games Tuesday. They'll probably fly out Wednesday. Are we really only there for like a few days? We're there for a week. They got there Tuesday. That seems like a long way to go for what, two games?
00:40:41
Speaker
I actually I hate the idea of changing time zones that much for a preseason. I think it's ridiculous Yeah, that's why I thought that we were gonna be there for like at least at least like a couple weeks No, they'll be back They'll be back Wednesday, they better be paying us to thank them anymore We need all the cash flow we can get yeah
00:41:09
Speaker
Let's see. We play, um, damn dude. I'm trying to find this. Yeah. So we play Perth on Saturday. We play Tottenham on Tuesday, Tottenham on Tuesday. And then after that we played the item in red bridge four days after we played Tottenham.
00:41:40
Speaker
Oh my God. Dude, they're going to be jet lagged. The daggers are going to get one on us. I'm nervous. They're going to get, they're going to put one over on us and then after that, I know that's when we play Ren. Yeah. And then after Ren, we play Leverkusen. And then after that, we play Bournemouth. Are all these games away? Yeah. We're not playing one home friendly. That's hilarious.
00:42:10
Speaker
I think they're all away. They are. And then Bournemouth is away too. Moise is getting them ready for the hostile environment. They're doing the hard yards now, so they'll be ready in May. In June. In May. In June? Oh, oh, oh, for the Europa League final. Yeah. I'll be there. We should have played a preseason match in Dublin, just to get the taste.
00:42:39
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We should've played Celtic again. I mean... Oh, they're from Scotland. I'm an idiot. We could've played, uh... We should've played on... Dundee. Derry City. Bring me Derry City at the Bowl. Isn't Dundee also Scottish? I think Dundee was Scottish. Are they? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, well. Same thing. Same thing. I have to. I'm fucking Scottish League, man.
00:43:10
Speaker
they lost their one of their best players to the Saudis. Dude, yeah, they go over there and then Gerard is there. Henderson is going. That was crazy. They want Mars, bro. They're not going to sound. They better not get Mars. That's that is where I'll draw the line.
00:43:30
Speaker
Mm-hmm. The game would be officially gone if Morris... Like, Jota pissed me off because he's really good. Neves is annoying. Henderson, I don't know how to say it. He's in the same boat as the other guys. There is one other one that was pretty impressive. Can't remember who it was. I feel like Jota was, like, the biggest one in terms of, like, stealing a player that's, like, currently in his prime.
00:43:59
Speaker
And I guess Morris is getting up there, but Morris is just too, he's just too good of a football. You can't, you can't, you can't take him from me. He's the, he has the beautiful game. That league is like, I hate to say it because like there are plenty of reasons why that league is horrible.
00:44:21
Speaker
But, yo, this is going to be kind of fun next year. I would. I would watch a game like I would like to get. I think that I think that they're going to have a TV deal ready for the twenty four, twenty five season. I think that's how it's going to work. I remember reading that because I because I feel like this is the season they got to cash in. I agree. The allure might be gone. But, you know, the next summer they'll spend another billion pounds. Yeah. Oh, Secco Fofana is the guy who maybe you're thinking of.
00:44:51
Speaker
No way they got suck out. They're like, it was pretty advanced. Oh, and Milankovitch Savage. Milankovitch Savage is the other one, but he stalks. I agree. He's like a fantasy suit check, bro. I had a moment where I was fearful that we were going to get him. Careful. But those, thank God that my Saudi overlords put that to rest. You're Saudi overlords. They might get Fabinho.
00:45:21
Speaker
That's another weird one. Did they say what the fee is going to be for Henderson? I didn't even consider a fee. I've stopped considering fees for the Saudi thing because they seem like a formality. Have they even negotiated a fee yet? No, like honestly. Like they just come in and they pay the asking price. Yeah. It's insane. Which it's a shame because all these
00:45:50
Speaker
all these teams are getting bailed out of their old overpriced that's another thing is like they're taking all this deadwood it's crazy specifically from one club that will not be named we can't do this again for for our regular listeners you all know which team we we like to slander on this on this podcast well it's not even that they just deserve it like they they do they do something every week that's deserving of slander
00:46:19
Speaker
They're an
Zaha's Career Moves
00:46:20
Speaker
incredibly welcoming punching bag, but not this week. Let's not. This week, I will give it to them. They haven't done anything that weird this week. They've avoided complete and abject disaster, which, you know, warrants them a round of applause. They're going to sign a Ryan Cherokee, apparently. I don't believe that. I don't believe that. For 40 million. I like Ryan Cherokee, but 40 million, dude. That's a lot.
00:46:48
Speaker
like it four goals and six assists this season. Yeah. I just, I just don't see it happening. I think it's, I think it's early for him. I also think it's early for him. Well, you know, who it's, you know, who it's late for, who I was thinking about earlier today, Wilfred Zaha. What's he doing? He's not under contract.
00:47:17
Speaker
Why is he gonna make a decision, bro? Why is that taking so long? You'd think a player... I mean, he's not who he was. Because it's dead, dude. But it's for free. I mean, he got linked with PSG. He's been linked to Saudi. He's not going there. I'm pretty sure he rejected them. He just bought a team in the lower division. Wilfred Zaha?
00:47:46
Speaker
Yeah. Who did he buy? I don't remember the name of the team, but he's a part of a conglomerate, or a consortium, whatever. Yeah, consortium. That's what it's called. I don't know. But that's pretty exciting. That's actually really cool. No, yeah, good for him. Yeah, I don't see him going. How did he buy it without proof of income? Is that a contract? Oh, we got the Saudis lined up.
00:48:15
Speaker
The shake is the shake. This is what's kind of fucked up about it. He's kind of taking Crystal Palace for a ride. He's going to end up back there next season, too. No way. Yeah, dude. It's so beyond time to move on. But the only concrete link I've really seen with him, and it's not even that concrete, is that Letty Go Madrid, which I think would be great for him. I think that'd be a lot of fun. That would be nice. I think he could do really well there.
00:48:45
Speaker
But no one signs him. They're offering him a big contract, apparently. He asked for, I think this was a few weeks ago now, but he asked for a guarantees of ambition. What does that even mean? Guarantee the ambition? Played 11 years for Crystal Palace. He thinks Steve Parrish is going to push for European football, bro.
00:49:16
Speaker
But yeah, it is if there's ever been a time to move on for a palace it's right now Well, he had his arsenal move blocked when they got Pepe He Could have gone to Chelsea on deadline day last season if he kicked up enough of a fuss he didn't and
00:49:39
Speaker
And now I feel like it's like Fener Bache are like the biggest team in front of me. Besides Eletico, but they haven't shown any. I think he's going to end up staying at Palace. They should just tell him that he's welcome back. The real question is, will he stay as a free agent past primarily game week one? Because that's crazy.
00:50:08
Speaker
I don't know. Because if he doesn't resign before match week one, he can't come back. Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. Because they'll definitely table an offer for him before match week one, that's for sure. Like, yeah, like one last, like, come on, man. But the thing is, is like, if you sit out
00:50:36
Speaker
match week one you're not even training with the team to look for another deal you can't come crawling back yeah it would be embarrassing at this point like he can come crawling back in like two weeks and like get that last friendly under his belt before they play whoever they play but like you can't you can't sign up again on august 16
00:51:02
Speaker
The MLS might be calling at this point for Mr. Wilford Zaha. It's not time for that yet, though. He's still a really good player. I rate him very highly. I just don't think the move is there for him right now, especially because teams are obsessed with upside and shit. He doesn't give that to anybody. He doesn't give anybody resellability. What use is a guy who's never proven it?
00:51:30
Speaker
on a European level at 29 to you. I'm surprised none of the Italian teams around. I think Inter have been linked too. They just got Tuom. That's the thing. All these teams are getting other options. I'm actually going to look up his name. AC Milan just got a Pulisic. They got Pulisic. And I guess I don't think I haven't signed anybody yet.
00:52:02
Speaker
Yeah, uh, I thought he go signed, uh, as Piliqueta, but I mean, unrelated to him. The last on Zaha. Lotsio have now approached Krita Palace forward, Wilford Zaha on potential free deal, negotiations took place. It's not an easy deal. Zaha has many proposals and will assess his options soon. That was three weeks ago.
00:52:29
Speaker
Watsio, is he gonna go play for him? Oh, oh, oh, I did see this one. A.S. Roma are considering to make a move for Wilford Zaha, no official bid yet, but he's really appreciated by the club board and Jose Mourinho. That, he's gonna end up at Roma. Yeah, and it's gonna be a total. Mourinho, yeah. It's gonna be him, it's gonna be him, it's gonna be Dabala, it's gonna be Skamaka, it's gonna be like a nice little kid.
00:52:59
Speaker
Skamaka and Tammy Abraham with a little rotation once Tammy gets fit again. Well, dude, who knows if Tammy's ever going to be back? When is he dead? He tore his ACL. Yeah, it's pretty significant. And it was late in the season. Yeah, play a game again. Next, I mean, Zaha might be dead by then. Yeah. Well, let's say that Zaha can play Shryker, especially in Italy. Oh, yeah.
00:53:25
Speaker
Zaha dude the last two or three years he's like really like his back to goal game is good now like he He like can legitimately play striker, especially for Mourinho. Mm-hmm. I just the ball ends off playing off each other in Italy. I Wonder how I wonder if Crystal Palace have a plan to replace him. I think they're they've been pretty inactive and I don't They They're pretty funny
00:53:56
Speaker
They are hilarious. I mean, they, they, they are probably the most like stay in the league team in the league. That's their main. Like they don't want to be better than 11th. I wonder why no team has come in for as a, and at least kick the tires, the Achilles. I think he's got to, he's got to put another season together where he's fit and firing.
00:54:25
Speaker
And in the meeting- He's only 23? 24? Around there, yeah. I think he's a year younger than Ryze. Can you imagine we got him instead of been wrong a minute? Like, I love Said. He's a different level. I mean, this guy tore his Achilles and came back as his- He took double digit goals last year. Yeah, and he's in England International. That's insane. He got his first cap this summer. That's insane.
00:54:55
Speaker
we should have had him man we fucked up so bad he's like one of the like is he the only at this point the only english player at a small club like of the england international now that rice has gone to arsenal yeah the last england squad
00:55:19
Speaker
The last England squad I think he would have been well mark a he is also a palace right right gay he and Tony I Guess is technically Tony's doesn't count. I'm looking at The most recent probably the previous English squad so Pickford is that every 10 Sam Johnstone for God knows what reasons still made the squad that's at allest Trippers at Newcastle
00:55:50
Speaker
Southgate is just obsessed with the Crystal Pals and he always has been. Maguire is gonna leave, even if he keeps saying he wants to fight first place, he's gonna leave, right? I think he'll get a move to another club of a decent size. Like Spurs. Like Spurs. Tyrone Mangs is here. I don't know if this is the last thing on squad, I'm just on ESPN and on their UEFA.
00:56:17
Speaker
European qualifying team. Mings is listed here. Just got replaced at Asen Villa. Gahy is listed. Jordan Henderson plays in Saudi Arabia, if you want to count that. James Madison is here. I guess he plays for Spurs now. Yeah, as a... Shoreley Gallagher is not a Chelsea player by the next.
00:56:43
Speaker
thing, right? Not if David Moyes has anything to say about him. Connor Gallagher and James WordPress, we are back. And Cal Wilson was also there. Right. But then like Newcastle, you say like, well, that's a championship. Yeah, yeah, Newcastle. So yeah, I mean, it's just it's as a gay, he. Johnstone. Johnstone.
00:57:10
Speaker
Johnstone, Stan. Oh, Stan Johnstone. Yeah, I was like, yeah. So it's just the guys who South Case has a fetish for because they're Palace players and Eze. Yeah, well, what is the deal with the Palace thing right now? I mean, well, I mean, Gage and Eze are deserving. I like, dude, Johnstone, literally, I think someone was hurt. I think Pope was hurt.
00:57:40
Speaker
But was Rams on the team? Yeah. Still really weird. Like, I think Pope was hurt. But him being your your fourth is crazy. Yeah, I mean, what's going to happen is Trafford is going to go to Burnley and he's going to. He's going to be the fourth. Yeah, I think so. And from
Relegation Speculations and Team Dynamics
00:58:05
Speaker
I mean, you can't like as I wonder how much stock
00:58:10
Speaker
Southgate puts into those u21 performances because it is there obviously is a huge gap between that but you know, he didn't have to be for it to be for a reason to Yeah, I Think some of them are just making up numbers, but some of them they probably do want to get a closer look at I'm sure trappers one of them. Oh Yeah, I mean because they need somebody like if you have a few goalkeepers go down I can't it can't be Johnstone on the plane seriously
00:58:43
Speaker
Yeah, I think I could definitely see traffic getting a call. I wonder if they'll ever play around Dean Henderson ever again. That's the other thing. I mean, he got hurt at the end of the season too. So I guess that's why Johnstone wins. I guess he's fifth. But like... Was he injured or was he just like... He's like not on United's preseason tour right now because of an injury. He sustained that, of course.
00:59:12
Speaker
Is he a United player? Dean Henderson? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was on loan again last year. Whoa. He's trapped. He was talking crazy about United when he officially went to Forest. He don't want to be there, bro. They don't want him there. They got to sell him. I don't know who's going to buy him. Is Forest not going to step up for him?
00:59:45
Speaker
It was Navas alone. Navas was alone, right? I don't remember. He must have. I think he was. Even speaking of force, did you see William just signed phenomenon force? Yeah, good for them. What is Fulham doing? They stuck. I'm going to be sick to my stomach before so I'll go down next season now. Yeah. But Sangare, I mean, like, he's not that amazing or anything, but
01:00:14
Speaker
Singari and William are like, you know, stay in the league. We'll see. We'll see if they actually get Singari, but it seems like William, they're pretty advanced with. I mean, our early signs are forest and loot in there and not forest. Uh, Sheffield United and loot and are gone. Yeah. And there's gotta be a third JD sleeve sponsor.
01:00:41
Speaker
West Ham United. I hate those tweets. People are like, Oh, is, is it a curse? Like, no, they just willingly advertise the two favorites to go down two years. Yeah. I mean, uh, it could be full and that goes down and I legitimately could be. I mean, uh, as of earlier today, Fred is, uh, and talks to Galatas right now. I like, I was kind of banking on that for them because Fred and Paulina
01:01:12
Speaker
Tough to go down if you have a midfield, it's that good. Yeah. And then you figure, uh, Mitrovich got a Saudi offer. He's not going anywhere. Probably not, but he still got it. Scared. He did get it. It is scary. And then you lose William who was like, you know, he's not a world beater, but he was dependable. He was, he was, he was pretty crucial for what they did.
01:01:40
Speaker
Yeah, especially considering how much they overperformed like every fucking metric that exists. Mm hmm. Will not really get rude awakening. I like Marco Silva, but they I mean, manner Solomon's square, like, what, four or five goals on the second half of the season. Yeah. The who is going to support these goals besides Mitchell, which where is the service coming from? Yeah. Is Dan James going to step up?
01:02:09
Speaker
I can't, I can't even believe he's still around that guy. He doesn't, he never actually plays as far as I'm concerned. Like I'm sure he does, but like, I'm not convinced that he exists. Yeah. They look terrible. The second half of the season too. Marco Silva is a good manager. They're just not doing the business. He also, he does have a history of the wheels falling off.
01:02:38
Speaker
And it definitely seems like the wheels are there. I did. I did think I thought he found it a little bit. I mean, I guess he found out how to last two years without the wheels falling off and said I'm one, but like, and I guess that's progress, but it's just like, man. But they might, who knows? They might prove us wrong again, but I don't see it happening.
01:03:03
Speaker
You know, look at who else could possibly be going down next year. I mean, I'm sure that we are part of the conversation, at least until we start spending money. Nah, I mean, everything we're like, we're not. I'm just not trying to be all. We're back. Confident about it. And then have a good spot. The forest will be down there. Wolves. Wolves are bad.
01:03:27
Speaker
Yeah, wolves are really bad. So they're not gonna get good. Yeah, I do like what Bournemouth are doing. They're doing it the right way, I think, with like, not a lot of phones. And they're doing it the right way. And they're doing it the Bournemouth way, which I can respect. You know what I want to talk about? What do you want to talk about? I want to talk about Burnley changing their badge.
01:03:58
Speaker
But not actually changing the badge, just changing the colors to clear it in blue from like the shit with the gold that it used to be. Like it's still the gold and stuff, at least on last season's kit it is. I don't know if it is this year. Um, but like when you go on the website and stuff, and I've been seeing it like within all like the screenshots of everything, it's just like, I don't know. I don't know if they like it or not. They think they're us.
01:04:27
Speaker
But they did, but it's not even the same type of like click. It's almost like clear it and like white or is that even clear it in color blinds? It's like darker than ours. I feel like it's almost like a purple. I think that they're going to do well this year. When I talk about Josh Cullen. Oh my God. He's like so nailed on to like get a goal or assist against us.
01:04:55
Speaker
He's even if he doesn't score he's gonna he's gonna come to the London Stadium and he is gonna run us off the pitch He's gonna he's gonna run the show and he's gonna have his pin back. I hope you check is his victim I hope it's not Zachariah and the mystery man next to him Yeah, so check deserves to be brought to his knees by Josh Collin forever for everything that he's done to us and
01:05:25
Speaker
He probably will be. I'm looking forward to Josh Collins' primarily debut season. I think it's going to be successful. I'm really happy for him. Same. It is really cool that he's found his place in the football world. Against a lot of odds, man, like we kind of ruined him. Sent him out on loans, and I'm here, something there. Vincent Company saw him and was like, you will be mine. That's awesome, right? Isn't that crazy? Vincent Company started
01:05:54
Speaker
Because that, yeah, that would have been, I think his first year at Andalect or his second year at Andalect. And he brought him over there and then he brought him to Burnley with him. I mean, that's just like, it was like fate almost. Like, Cullen was like destined to be cast out to one of these, like, you know. What's even more ridiculous about it, and not to get hung up on this again, we might even mention this last week, but we had
01:06:20
Speaker
four sentiment fielders in 2021. I mean, we finished six. There's not really that much to complain about, but it was Sootrek, Rice, Noble, and Cullen. Why, why did we need to sell Cullen for 800 K? Like why, why? Like he could have played a part for us that year. It makes not even like a big one, but like, why couldn't he be Flynn down? None of our business that summer made any sense. And it ended up being pretty all right. How well it worked out.
01:06:50
Speaker
But yeah, it really makes sense, because it's not like he was begging to stay, basically. And we don't want him, but the guy who's been watching Pepco for the last five years and is going to build an expansive play style from the ground up wants him. Yeah, he was like, this is my first step to...
01:07:12
Speaker
I will never let this guy go for as long as I coach. Yeah. Vincent company is going to be a Premier League manager next year. He brought Josh Cohen and like, he's this fucking FM kid who's going to make a journey with him. Like, what are we doing, bro? Imagine company goes
West Ham's Squad Readiness
01:07:27
Speaker
and he replaces Pep eventually and Colin files. And he brings like 34 year old Josh Cohen with him. That would be so special. That would send me up a wall. So talking about 12 years ago, we sold him for $800,000.
01:07:43
Speaker
Mr. City. He was always a good player. He's Mark Noble, is what he is. Mark Noble is a damn good player. Mark Noble is a damn good player. Besides 16-17, bro, you killed me that year. In hindsight, that wasn't his fault. We were just so... I'm gonna use the word fluid to be nice to slap him to the edge.
01:08:13
Speaker
Yeah, that's a good way to put it. But there is no structure to anything that we did that year. We were fun, though, dude. We would start games. It was like Lanzini in the pivot. Kiata is at right back. What's going on, dude? Just random stuff. We should redo on the left wing. Dude, Lanzini in the pivot is special. Yo, Chicha on the left wing is crazy. He might have played right wing. No, no, it was Antonia.
01:08:41
Speaker
Bill might have been a visionary with Lanzini in the pivot, honestly. We need to re-evaluate what that was like. Since Lanzini can dictate a game, we need to re-evaluate Antonio at right back, Chicharito left wing, Chiatรฉ at right back. I think once Antonio comes back from the Gold Cup, we need to
01:09:06
Speaker
So we send out like, listen, Skamaka is the future. We need you a right back. We need you to be challenging Kufra. I think I think the funniest thing ever was Antonio. It was probably before the Pellegrini season. It's like, yeah, I just never want to play right back. And then there's two times in the Pellegrini season where we like rotated. And Pellegrini was like, I need you to do a job for me. Just giving over to PTSD.
01:09:35
Speaker
Moise used to do it at least once. Moise played him at a left wing back once. More than once. It was the Matawaku Spit suspension. We played him out there. That has to be the craziest positioning. He played well over there.
01:09:59
Speaker
He's a good player. No, dude, Chicharito left wing is so much worse than Antonio at wingback. Either side. Dude, Chicharito playing on the left wing, like trying to play off Andy Carroll is like a Muhammad Salah, like inside forward target, man. Chicharito can't run, dude. Yeah. I mean, he can't do much of anything besides score.
01:10:22
Speaker
When he would like play with his bag to go on, like pick it up and like play like a one-touch back to the midfield, I was like, look at him getting involved. Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. I'm so glad I never seen it. Him taking the nine from Hilar was what doomed that signing from the start. Taking the nine and then fucking off the Sevilla, like after like one goal. Yeah. Such a dickhead.
01:10:50
Speaker
Though we can't underestimate the number 22 aura. The 22 aura, it's given and it's taken a lot. Yeah, it's so draining. I never want to see anybody wear a 22 again. We need to put it in the rafters. After Ben Rama goes, that's it. It's just enough with no number 22s.
01:11:17
Speaker
And you know what? It's enough with 27s too. I'm scared, man. As soon as he took that number, I was like, something bad is going to happen. He broke his ankle or whatever he did. Yeah. But he'll be changing that narrative this season. Yeah, I hope so. I want to ask you one thing before we start wrapping this up. What are the chances
01:11:45
Speaker
that Bournemouth away the first game of the season that the starting midfield pivot is two check and downs. Two check and downs, zero percent. Zero percent. I think a hundred percent will feature one of those players. Yeah, no, no, yeah, I agree. But zero percent. Zachariah will be here and he'll be here for like a month before. Dude, I wouldn't be so sure.
01:12:16
Speaker
I mean, the game, first of all, first of all, the game is on the 12th. So he's not going to be here for a month. I just realized that as I said, I was like, oh my God, this season is starting way sooner than I thought. We could drag it and then he could come and then he could not only have like a week's training and Moyes could be like, he's not ready. You doubt David Moyes, man. Dallas played well against Boreham Wood. Good preseason from the kid.
01:12:44
Speaker
That's his level. I think Moyes understands that I Hope so. I think there's a better chance Downs is in the championship next season. That's Southampton then starting. Yeah That's actually interesting I wonder which one of those is more likely Probably the championship. It's gotta be the championship. Hey, although I don't think we'll sell I
01:13:11
Speaker
I was just thinking about how funny it would be. Let's rock it up to the vitality with the most unfinished squad you've ever seen. Would you be surprised? No. How many years have we like had a half finished squad to start this? Most of them. Slapped rice on top of it. And then like it's cool. Go on.
01:13:37
Speaker
Isn't that we're putting Flynn Downs in the starting lineup? There's flapping Rice on top of trash. Basically the same thing. If you squint your eyes and you look from far up enough, they're basically the same player. If you watch Flynn Downs, but you're a fan of a big 16 a year ago, that's Declan Rice. That's what they thought he was.
01:14:05
Speaker
Can you imagine, like you thought like you had this conception that your team was buying like a hundred million pounds of like who you consider to be Splendowns. That's how half the Chelsea fan base sees him. They think he's Splendowns. That was a lot of people's experience. Like, can you like, I can't even imagine. It's a bit wrong, but
01:14:36
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Who's the goalkeeper gonna be It's gonna be Fabian ski dude, come on It dude III read that I thought I read that like it was like a promise that it would be a real this year It was a promise last year at this point. I don't even know who's better or care who's better like I just want to see if Ariel was ever gonna start like a primarily game with that the answer
01:15:03
Speaker
I just feel bad for Ariola at this point. Dude, Moiz is a master manipulator, bro. He's a gaslighter. We're playing him like 100k a week, by the way. Yeah. He's making more than Babyanski. Can you imagine playing your whole career at PSG and Real Madrid and you're like the cupkeeper, and that gets cool. But then you're like, you know what, it's time.
01:15:28
Speaker
I'm somebody's number one, you go in low in the full room, you go out in the Premier League, you're like, yeah, I made a good account of myself. Like European West Ham come knocking. You know, like we want you to be a European keeper this year, but like, you're the long term option. Like next year, you'll replace Fabiancio. This guy is old, he's brittle, he's falling apart. Like he's literally as a metalhead. He cannot take the plane.
01:15:52
Speaker
And now three years later, three years later, it's changing. He's has as many numbers as he has primarily starts. Oh my God. I, that, that is basically that's, is that true? He might have more. He has, he started against Manchester United in 2122. He came off the bench against city last year. And then he came off the bench. Another game last year. Forest. Yeah.
01:16:20
Speaker
Didn't he start against? No. I think he might have started a few games last year. Let's see if he has more squad numbers or Premier League starts to his name at West Ham. Where is this on transfer market? Full stats. He
01:16:46
Speaker
So he made one Premier League start in 2122. And then last year... Oh, okay. He made... He made two Premier League starts. The 4-0 against Brighton. And the 1-1 against Villa.
01:17:12
Speaker
Dude, how funny is it? We beat forest for now after after February hasn't got hurt. And then we were like, oh, it's the aerial. Oh, it's the aerial. We got. Dude, I totally forgot he was in goal for that. And he was getting blamed for that game, too. Like, that's not that was ridiculous. He played 45 minutes against United, apparently. That doesn't ring a bell.
01:17:40
Speaker
Like, that sounds right, but I can't envision him in that Old Trafford this year. He was in goal for the... That was away, right? That was at Old Trafford. Yeah. He was in goal for the Rashford winner. But I'm talking about this past season. Oh, I mean, that was also a Rashford winner, wasn't it? He dunked on Carrere. Yeah. That was brutal.
01:18:10
Speaker
That that was a low point for career as was the leads game. That was when I like fully gave up on career being a good player for us. And then he rose up from the ashes. He won me back that that's saying the least. Look at this confidence. How many gold that he can see in the conference League 1344?
01:18:39
Speaker
Five, six, seven, eight. He conceded eight goals in the conference league this year. And then one against five were some nine. That's probably more than he gave up in the Europa League. Europa League. Let me check.
01:19:07
Speaker
I actually do, I actually am kind of interested in that. So he gave up 9 in the conference league and in the Europa League, he conceded 2 against Gank, 1 against Zagreb, 1 against Sevilla. That's 4. 3 against Lyon, that's 5. 3 against Frankfurt, that's 7. No, that's 8. That's 8. Sorry. Yeah. And then 1 against Sevilla.
01:19:37
Speaker
It's not. I counted. Oh, okay. So, so he conceded eight and like the Europa league proper and the conference league proper, he conceded eight and both, but then he conceded one and the qualifiers. I think he's going to start this year. The thing is, is like, I think he's going to be our starting goalkeeper this year, but then when I sit down
01:20:03
Speaker
And I think about actually seeing his name on the team sheet. I can't, I can't imagine it. It just doesn't feel real. Like it just doesn't like, it feels like there's like the turnover between last season and this season is so quick that there's just, you might as well. I think that's the biggest thing is like, it almost feels like just replacing Fabianci from like the last match week. Exactly. Exactly.
01:20:30
Speaker
I said that Ariel was in line to start but you know what it's gonna become it's gonna become like a QB competition again and Then he's gonna do nothing wrong, but he's gonna lose for really no reason Yeah, let me we've seen this is that this is season three of this debacle This is genuinely a debacle
01:20:56
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And nothing has changed since the since the first iteration.
Light-hearted Banter and Social Media Engagement
01:21:01
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His numbers changed. Yeah, he's he's doing his best. It's the oppression. Yeah, yeah. I wonder if he gave him a call. Yes. If he called, he thinks he thinks he's Braun, bro. We're in the 23. He's got to wear the six next time. No, Bobby Moore already did it.
01:21:27
Speaker
Nah, I mean, what's more important, Bobby Moore Lebron? That's a good question. Put that out as a poll. Put that out as a TikTok snippet if I learn how to do that. We'll ask the people. That's a good place to end it. Yeah, that'll get the algorithms going.
01:21:50
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I think I don't think any West Ham fan would take offense to a few Americans asking who's more important. Thank you everybody for listening. Don't forget to give us both follows on Twitter. You'll be able to find us in the OG tweet.
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Creative Segment: Ambition and Identity
01:22:37
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We'll see you guys next week, hopefully with Zachariah with two feet on the ground in Ophelia. I'm glad we're already back. He'll do his medical over there.
01:23:07
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01:23:30
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So I'm talking to my shutters, I'm talking to my team I hit you in the morning right now with the beast It's handy that we yawn and I break it down to sleep It's handy that we yawn and I break it down to sleep
01:23:43
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01:24:21
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I'm a black king, worried up to my black skin And I run shit cause I'm African, you gotta tell me I am the man