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Hammering Away Ep #22 - A Crossroads Approaches...
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On today's episode of the podcast, Jack and Joe discuss West Ham's 3-1 Carabao Cup victory over Arsenal, our 3-2 away defeat at Brentford, David Moyes' future, and more!
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Return of Am I Right Podcast
00:00:24
Speaker
back to the Am I Right podcast. It is Jack and Joe as always, back with episode number 22, the Said Ben Rama episode as you were talking about. Missed last week, which is okay. Life gets in a way sometimes, but happy to be back and honestly much happier to be doing the podcast this week than last week, I think.
00:00:46
Speaker
Yeah, I think it was better. Better we skipped last week missed a lot of definitely gonna be a lot of emotional takes that got put off at least.
Growth in Arguing Dynamics
00:00:58
Speaker
I might have killed you last week. I think we talked about after 21. That was the most at each other's necks. We've been in there. So which I think is good, honestly, for the podcast, because we've um, I think
00:01:12
Speaker
Especially in the Pellegrini days and early Moyse days, like going back to like the 21-22 season. We've been very on the same page with things, which I think is natural. But as we've moved away physically and also as we've grown as fans, I think we argue a bit more these days, which I think is good. But I feel like the arguing happens a lot more. Like I'll check my phone at halftime and I'll see a text from you and I'll be like,
00:01:40
Speaker
man, like get the hell out of here.
Arsenal vs. Brentford Performance Review
00:01:43
Speaker
And you're like, you don't know what you're talking about. And then it's Yeah, get a little bit that more on the mic. Um, yeah. But yeah, thank God we have the arsenal want to talk about dude, because the Brentford performance without the arsenal when I think is about much more cause or concern because I'm actually kind of liked what I saw in some ways, which I'll get to. Other things are ridiculous, but our soul makes it feel good.
00:02:10
Speaker
Brentford is weird because a lot of the players that I mean like the players that fucked us are guys who just should never play should never be playing. Do you think Mavropano should never be playing? I guess besides him. I'm thinking more besides him. So no, I know I know who you're thinking about. I gave you an out. Now say what you have to say.
00:02:39
Speaker
I mean, the subs were terrible. Oh, oh. Who did you think I was talking about? Can I just say that? I thought we were going to hop straight into the WordPress thing. Oh, no. I mean, he was just normal. Like he wasn't like he's bad again. But like I've just come. I think I've been already beaten into submission at this point. Me too. But man, like it.
00:03:07
Speaker
You know what's funny? I was thinking about this. He spent $30 million on a player to essentially replace Suchek, right? And it's November 6th. I'm crying out for Tomรกs, for Big Tom. Dude, he's so much better for us. Like, it's insane. You can't even compare the two.
00:03:29
Speaker
Well, it goes back to what we talked about over the summer with signing. We're proud. It's not that he's a bad player and, you know, he's going to have some great game shows. He's going to have games where he scores a goal or he provides an assist that's huge for us. But a lot of what we do, especially on their Moyes, is built off us being athletically and physically superior to teams. I mean, how good did we look against Arsenal to see Czech and Alvarez in there?
00:03:53
Speaker
They were incredible. Like, we were just so physically dominant. And that's, that's like classic moves. It was a classic boys ballgame. And the thing is, like, I get they played a fully rotated side, they played their B team. It wasn't fully rotated. Get out of here. It was fully rotated. It was they had their starting striker. They're starting. No, they didn't. Oh, he's being kept a thing. He's going to be a West Ham player next year if we're lucky.
00:04:20
Speaker
No. Yes. I mean, if we're lucky, yes, he is. If we would have to get insanely lucky. I mean, look, whatever you want to call it, it's a heavily rotated side. And I think that midfield played into our hands a lot. Yeah. But it's Arsenal and those were good players out there. And that I just want to talk about that first, before we get into the room for stuff, because Arsenal did not have a sniff.
00:04:50
Speaker
until you know an odor guard goal late which like really doesn't count to me. Didn't have a sniff. Yeah I mean that was that was just as dominant as any performance we've had all season. I would say that's our most dominant performance of the season easily. We were just so like just the physicality the gulf and physicality between the two teams it was
00:05:14
Speaker
And I would argue we didn't create much besides the stretch where Bowen and Kudus had their goals. And it wasn't even like we were sitting back holding off. It was that the way that we defended them so high at the pitch, they just couldn't get out. There was a stretch in the first half, which is around that clip that's gone around of Bowen diving in and making that tackle. And it goes out for another goal kick around that part of the game.
00:05:40
Speaker
It's probably like a five or ten minute stretch where they only got out of their half with us pressing like a handful of times and like Had to work so hard to do it. And then once they did like turn the ball over it goes up for a goal kick like There's vintage Moyes and people said it wasn't a Moyes performance. You said did you see that people claimed? Literally schizophrenic like those people are like belonging like a fucking psych lord and
00:06:06
Speaker
They have no genuinely no idea what they're watching and that was like just like a cope like a random cope that they just
Debate on David Moyes' Future
00:06:15
Speaker
Conjured in their head because that was that was the moist performance like we need to get back to that because it's what we absolutely Well, that's what's frustrating about it is cuz like I would consider myself somebody who's moist in but like I can acknowledge like his faults like the subs and
00:06:32
Speaker
Saturday with Brentford are ridiculous and there are certain things he does like the move bomb and stuff. I do not cosign Look he's given us a trophy obviously we had a good start this season now we're in a rough run a form That's okay. This happens to every team under the Sun People think that we should be challenging for the top six this year. I don't think so. I would like to I think it's a good goal to have I
00:06:58
Speaker
No, no, it should be the goal of the team. I'm not saying it shouldn't be the goal of the team. We are not one of the eight best squads in the league. The precedent has been set for this team. It was set three years ago. The goal every season is Europe. The goal is to stay in Europe by any means necessary. Last year was a successful season because we stayed in Europe.
00:07:26
Speaker
Um, you know, the trophy is great, but the, the goal, you know, was to stay in Europe. That was either by finishing the top seven or by winning that competition. It doesn't look like we're going to be finishing top seven, seven this season. Eight could be conference league. True. True. And that's huge by the way. Just, and it's definitely huge. It's, it's, it makes a huge difference because those top six, seven is kind of like looking like it's shaping off and we're not in it. Yeah.
00:07:56
Speaker
Um, um, Newcastle look very good again.
Aiming for European Competitions
00:08:01
Speaker
Yeah. I think Brighton, Brighton have one win in their last seven. They've conceded 20 goals. They're in just as bad shape as we are right now. And you won't hear a peep about them because you don't have to because teams go through these bad runs a form. We can come out the other side of this. We win Thursday. And is it forest on Saturday? Yes.
00:08:25
Speaker
If we win these two games, or two home games, two very winnable games, you win these two games, you're on 17 points through 12 Premier League games. Which effectively means that you have seven games with 21 more points available, right? Nine of those points are against the top six. You play Arsenal, you play United, and you play Spurs, right? So we'll call that 12 winnable points.
00:08:52
Speaker
Even if you win half of those and you take a point off the top six games, that's seven points from seven games, which is totally attainable, that would leave you on 24 points after 19 games, which is 48 for the season. That's a conservative, I would say that's pretty conservative. That's incredibly conservative.
00:09:20
Speaker
Incredibly conservative like we're fine Yeah, I mean as long as as as long as we You know give a good showing the Europa League Maybe not wait, maybe winning is maybe winning it is pretty unrealistic based on you know who's out there But dude even like forgetting about the Europa League. We're in the quarterfinal of the cup right now. I
00:09:46
Speaker
And if I'm not mistaken, we're playing the last big six side standing who have Arsenal and United on either side of our game. Like we can win the Carabao Cup. We can win the Carabao Cup. No, don't make that face at me because we can. It's at Anfield. No, no, it is at Anfield. Seriously. Where do?
00:10:09
Speaker
And we will take that game seriously. I do a win at Anfield. I don't think anyone's do a win at Anfield. We are, dude. The way that we play against Liverpool usually? Oh, well, yeah, we... Just generally we're do... generally we're do a result at Anfield. I just don't think... it's... it's... I just don't think it's
Upcoming Matches and Strategy
00:10:29
Speaker
that easy. I'm not saying it's that easy. I'm just saying...
00:10:35
Speaker
that we can do this. And if you win that competition, um, I should be fact checked on this, but I think that's a conference league birth. I think like you get into the conference league or the qualifiers based off putting this competition. I feel like I knew that too. I'm going to look that up, but this is dude, it's a quarterfinal, right? Oh, Chelsea, Newcastle play Chelsea. One of those teams is going out, right? We play
00:11:05
Speaker
Liverpool. We can play Middlesbrough. And Port Vale play Middlesbrough. That's my thing. We can have a semi-final with Port Vale. Theoretically. Like we should be taking, I mean I would have told, I would have said this to you before the round of 32. And especially before the Arsenal game. We should be taking this competition very seriously. Which I'm happy that we do under Moise because
00:11:30
Speaker
We, dude, and I remember saying this to you, even before the 2021 season, which is what made that team feel so good to us was how good we did in Europe, because it was so validating to sit there and be like, look, we are a really dangerous side in knockout football. I think we're less dangerous now.
00:11:51
Speaker
than Antonio's 34 and much more inconsistent and that Rice isn't here because I think the two things that made us so dangerous were we had a striker that teams didn't know what to do with and could really be physically imposing and a serious problem for teams in Europe. And we also had one of the best ball winners and center midfielders on planet Earth. But we still have an elite ball winner. And then after January, who knows who will be in the building. And the other thing is like,
00:12:22
Speaker
talk all that like kudos and Bowen. That's that's two match winners. Those guys can go out there and they can they can win you any game. Like the Brentford game isn't an anomaly. You don't like scoring two goals away from home and losing the game. It's crazy. Yeah, I mean, especially for a moist team. It's crazy. We that was good. They really was like such a good first half performance.
00:12:52
Speaker
It was resilient, man. Besides that added time, the added time in the first half was sketchy. It just had all the chances. With the Brentford game, it's so tough because I don't know about you, but I was going into the game being like, OK, this is a scheduled loss. Eventually Alvarez
Danny Ings' Struggles and Team Impact
00:13:14
Speaker
and Paquetta were going to get suspended. Luckily, they're in the same game. We could just eat these three points lost. Yeah.
00:13:21
Speaker
But then, you know, we showed up and we were we conceded first. And then after that, I mean, we looked pretty damn good. It just sucks. It's just individual. I will say one thing is that I don't like to blame boys for this because I think a lot of it is overblown and a lot of it's on the players. And I'm even going to throw a game in here that Jared Bowen himself said was on the players, the Bournemouth game.
00:13:50
Speaker
The Bournemouth game and the Brentford game are two games where we had a lead in it, where I felt like we really did sit back and invite too much pressure, which I think honestly, every team in the league does. Like people think that we go down and we play so much better because now we're playing on the front foot. No, it's because they're sitting back. That's why we look so great. And by the way, 3-2 down against Brentford, we looked hopeless.
00:14:16
Speaker
I think we had like one legit chance, but that's because a certain number 18 was on the pitch. Yeah, I think you're you're making like, you know, blaming things. I'm always I think that basically the only mistake he's made all season was every time he subbed on Danny Inks. That's the big one. That is the big one. And Obama was on the bench on Saturday again, which makes it even more frustrating because, look, to get away from the whole like, why do we lose thing?
00:14:45
Speaker
When is he going to learn his lesson with things? Is this enough now? Because here's the thing about it. It's Thursday in Greece before Everton. Right? It's Thursday in Greece before Everton. He's horrible. He is probably the reason why we have no foothold in that game. Or he's a big reason for it. Then we play Arsenal midweek the next week. You don't start him. You start Bowen.
00:15:13
Speaker
You score three and you probably have like one of your best performances of the season. Best striker performance of the season. On Saturday, Antonio barely has a good game. Really doesn't play that great. Takes a goal off Ben Ramas, but still has an assist. We scored two goals in 60 minutes. You take him off because you don't think he's playing that great. Totally fair. And you also think, look,
00:15:39
Speaker
Ing's two striker formation might be better. You play Ing's in a two striker formation. He touches the ball five times in half an hour It's it's not acceptable at what point Do we bite the bullet or doesn't always bite the bullet I should say and Just be like move on as my number two guy like what's it gonna take for Obama to even get a chance at earning that role? Listen with with Ing's like It's so frustrating the lack of like
00:16:09
Speaker
he just that he doesn't do anything for us like okay if you want to say like his optimal role is next to a guy like antonio it is
00:16:22
Speaker
Yeah, that's which is fine. Like you said oh like don't sub off one like play them together But Antonio needs someone to take him off the field and that's like what? Ings was brought in to do if you can't do that, then why is he here? Well, that's part of the thing is because with Antonio Antonio needs competition needs a backup. I understand we've talked about this before especially it's Kamaka site signing and
00:16:49
Speaker
Um, it's tough on antonio when he's done well to like have somebody come in who's there to take his spot But with ings, it's a little playing field even antonio is higher on the pecking order him obviously So ings is there to push him And maybe sometimes i'll play with him ings is there but he doesn't push him and Look, you can say ings has to play the big striker this big striker that I understand bowin's not a big striker
00:17:17
Speaker
But he had his worst performance of the season in a two strike formation, no matter what way you want to cut that. That's not OK. And Antonio can't play 90 minutes anymore every week. It's just he can't. And if Ings can't take him off the pitch and be at least respectable, at least it'd be some sort of a threat. I don't even think he's put a shot on goal this season.
00:17:46
Speaker
the only one i can remember is um hit a shot off target against lincoln that was a sitter especially for a guy like him yeah i don't remember him putting a shot on goal let alone even coming close to scoring he's he's just he doesn't serve a purpose it's it's over with the same shit it's it's been over
00:18:10
Speaker
He's not another thing. I would say by the way is like not that anybody's being like give Danny's a chance like play him in the right position We've had strikers before who the system doesn't suit Sebastian Haller Who are a lot better than this fucking guy who we didn't change the system for? but I'm not saying that anybody's claiming that the system needs to be changed for things a fit him in but like We should be 10 times more ruthless with things in January than we were of color
00:18:40
Speaker
Absolutely. Absolutely. Oh, absolutely. You shouldn't be playing anymore. Like, dude, Mubama should start this game on Thursday against Olympiacos at home. I understand this is a big game. I'm not saying to play a weak team. I'm saying you play a strong team against Olympiacos at home. You should play a very strong team. You should play Paqueta. You should play Bowen. I think you were as kudos for this one. You play Paqueta. You play Bowen. You play Alvarez. You go from there.
00:19:11
Speaker
But Obama should lead the line. Because Antonio can plant Thursday. And Ings is nothing. He's nothing. He's nothing.
00:19:20
Speaker
Yeah, I don't want to, I don't want it to get confused with me talking about like, Oh, what, what's his best role? Cause at the end of the day, even if you're playing him as best role, he still sucks. He's still worthless. He's hardly a primarily player. Um, we would be absolutely blessed if a team was silly enough to take him off our hands, even for free, even just to take the wages off.
00:19:43
Speaker
If Everton did it, we would be very blessed. I think maybe Deitch can get something out of him. This is Eng's longest goal-scoring drought in the history of his primarily career. Honestly, I'm pretty sure they've been saying it has been since last year, or at least early this season. This is 21 or 22 games now. This is crazy. And it has nothing to do with the manager at all.
00:20:06
Speaker
It doesn't because he's played in a variety of systems. He's terrible. He's done. He's just so done. So done. And you know, Antonio, whatever you want to say about him, he offers something. I tweeted this during the game on Saturday. I have never seen a player offer less to a team.
00:20:31
Speaker
Really, in any sport. I was just talking about football when I tweeted it. But in any sport, I've never seen a player offer less to a team than Danny Ng's, those two less than. Never seen it. No, because no, because it's true. No, but it's not funny. Because don't laugh. Because it's not funny. I didn't say it as a joke. It wasn't tweeted out as a joke. I wasn't like, because like, I say shit for jokes all the time. It's funny. This is objectively funny. But it's a dead serious thing. I've never seen an athlete
00:21:01
Speaker
offer less to their employer than Danny Ames offers to us. It wasn't until like we won the conference league that he looked like he had a fucking friend in the squad. I'm sorry for laughing. We were chanting, we were chanting bones on fire after an Alkmaur after that game. He's jumping up and down by himself. Nobody's got an arm around him. He's fucking holding a Heineken Zero.
00:21:28
Speaker
don't give a shit about you, man. Get the fuck out of here. Like, like, not to be mean, but like, no, be fucking mean to this guy. Just what I'm saying, bro. Like he's, he is horrendous. He is a horrendous footballer. He should have never been signed. And another thing about him that I'll say, to be good, the moist, everybody wants to tweet that, that damn quote of moist being like, he's one of the best in the business. He's this, he's that.
00:21:53
Speaker
What is he supposed to say? They were about to fire him. Danny Ings was a gift from Sullivan. It's been widely reported that Ings was not signed on, like Moyes did not request Ings. He did not ask for Ings. He probably didn't want Ings that much. All that probably happened with Sullivan was like, I'm going to go buy Danny Ings. You need a striker because you need to say it. And I'm panicking because my multi-million, almost billion dollar corporation organization
00:22:21
Speaker
is about the value is plummeting. Sullivan went out and he got him. Was it X? Who called him a gift from Sullivan? Somebody used those exact words. Maybe you like that. Maybe Claire and Hugh, something like that. Somebody.
00:22:41
Speaker
But why are we holding Moyes accountable for saying Danny Aings is one of the best ones around when he's asked, directly, what do you think about West Ham signing Danny Aings? Is he going to sit there and be like, he's not a Moyes type of striker? Is that what Moyes is going to say to the media? Like, be serious? Like, he didn't want him. Yeah, I mean, he started like four primarily games for us. Two of them were like around huge European games.
00:23:11
Speaker
And yeah, like right when he signed, too. He said three good games for us. One was his debut. Which was a 10-minute cameo. And he got hurt. And he got hurt. Which he refuses to do now. One was his full debut against Forrest, which he scored twice, which to be real, Forrest away last year. Probably the easiest fixture on the schedule. Yeah.
00:23:38
Speaker
They were... I've never seen a team worse away from home than they were last year. What was his third good performance? Leads. Leads at home. The Everybody Eats game? Yeah, it was an Everybody Eats game. Man. Dude, he played well. He did. He did play well today. I'm not trying to be a dickhead to him. He played well in that game.
00:24:05
Speaker
He played terrible when he started at Brentford. Even when Obama came on, he looked a little better. He scored a goal that I don't know if that should have been disallowed. I wish it was. It was disallowed. I said, oh, yeah. Oh, it would have been a Obama assist, right? Yeah, that's why. I think something like that hit his shoulder. I don't know. And then he scored. He scored and it was a game that we played last year, right? And we played gank in the Europa League year before.
00:24:35
Speaker
He scored from a yard out and again, which I understand that's what he does. That's his whole thing. He's a poacher. It's a throw-in to Bowen that he squares. It's not a really hard position to be in. But he was terrible that day because that was our worst performance in the Europa Conference League the whole season was that away quarterfinal game that he started.
00:24:58
Speaker
Like he didn't play well today. It's been like almost a year now since we signed him. As far as I'm concerned, it's been a year. Feels like three. Feels like his contract should be coming to an end right now. Yeah, it feels like a fucking lifetime. We could probably, if we can't get rid of him in January, we could probably offload him in the summer with a year left, right? Maybe. He needs to be kidnapped.
00:25:28
Speaker
Somebody out there should kidnap him. Somebody who cares about this club. Not going to be us. All I'm saying is, well, you're a lawyer, so you have to tell me if this is legal first. But we have 80 to 100 listeners in this podcast. Are we at fault? If we are like, oh, you know, somebody who loves the club should kidnap Danny Aings and, you know, get them off the books, show us them. Like, what?
00:25:59
Speaker
And like me, you know, if this person was to do this and I don't endorse, I don't endorse it either. I do not want to see anybody get hurt. I want to see anybody emotionally or physically damaged. That's what I'm going to say. Like, like, just, just take, just keep them away from the team. Don't like, no torture, no, you know, conditions, keep them well fed. You know where we should put them?
00:26:26
Speaker
Do you remember the, uh, the moist inside and fanfic apartment? Oh my God. You put him in the basement. Oh my God. With the rest of the youth team. You know, what, what is style 10 going to get in Moises here about Moobama? He's just going to wait because he didn't buy him. That's not his guy. Cause he bought fucking, um, I almost said habits.
00:26:55
Speaker
Does he pull out verts for like fucking three pennies and a ham and cheese like he put his put his neck on the line for him? I think he's just gonna wait out He's gonna wait it out. He's gonna wait for the next manager. Okay.
Moyes' Potential Front Office Role
00:27:12
Speaker
Well, that's actually a perfect segue because there's reports today saying that
00:27:19
Speaker
We are not looking to extend Moises contract and we might try and bring him upstairs. I guess it's a two part question. How do you feel about not extending Moises contract? And how do you feel about him going upstairs? And how do you feel about those things meshing? So starting with the first not extending him. It's tough, you know, it's hard.
00:27:45
Speaker
It's such an annoying decision to make, but I think that if we don't get Europe, I think it's just a good time to phase him out.
00:27:58
Speaker
I, it's time to get, you know, a guy that's died in once, let it, you know, a new era come in, you know, gonna have a lot of money to spend again next summer. Let it be with somebody who's gonna like lead the team, or at least plan to lead the team for the next five, 10 years.
00:28:23
Speaker
As for the front office thing, I think that's a bunch of nonsense. I don't think I'm always... Okay, but forget if it's true. How do you feel about it?
00:28:36
Speaker
So in the hypothetical world where this is a position, this is like, first of all, it's not even a position that currently exists for him. And it's like him lives together, dude. They're in a party. So it already felt like this summer, there was too many cooks.
00:28:59
Speaker
And now you're adding Mois in this amorphous position, where no one really knows how much say he's going to have. And a new manager on top of that. Can I play double advocate? Yes. If Stuyton is allowed to hire this new manager, theoretically, this manager is going to be operating on the very American plane that we see
00:29:24
Speaker
our very own Tom Thibodeau at the New York Knicks organization he operates in and that many other coaches in American sports and in football are starting to operate in where the general manager in America or the director of football in football.
00:29:42
Speaker
is making the decisions for the squad and the manager just manages the team. So all I'm saying is that putting Moyes into a front office type of position into a decision making board type of position when it comes to transfers is not adding another cook to the kitchen. It's just keeping the same kitchen. I just I just feel like that's unrealistic and I'm not at this point. That's fair. I'm just saying well, it's not unrealistic in this work. Plenty of clubs do this.
00:30:10
Speaker
Leverkusen do this. Jaby Lanzo is not like he doesn't have much say, if any say in those transfers. They have a massive team, a much bigger team than we have. We just have knowledge to all of these guys' names. Like, do you consider Rob Newman a cook in the kitchen? Yes. He's not. He's a scout. But he's, he's a, no, no, no, no, no, no. He's a scout.
00:30:38
Speaker
He's bigger than a scout. No, he's bigger than a scout. He was bigger. He was bigger than a scout because there was nobody in the kitchen. There was a dirty pan and David Mullins. That he wasn't cleaning, by the way. He got some good use out of that pan. He got some damn good use. It was a non-stick. You could taste the previous meals.
00:31:06
Speaker
I just think that we have so much access to the names and the ongoings inside the club because of certain people around the club like whether it's X or whether it's Claire and Hugh or whether it's whoever we just have like West Ham like we it's a very passionate group of people we have lots of in the know people I don't know if I would call it too many cooks in the kitchen I personally would love David Moyes in a position like that if he was not to stay as our manager
00:31:35
Speaker
We talk about all the time about the Moi's eye. He knows this game. And I think he would be a very useful person to have in that decision making role. I want Stuyton to be the lead guy always, which is why I agree with you. I don't think it's a realistic thing because I don't think Moi's is going to take a backseat role.
00:31:55
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Like yeah, like this like this role that he gets is probably gonna end up being like a Mark Noble type just like here you're on you're on the books for the rest of your life like But he has the other thing is and this is more of a question that I'm not even just asking you what I'm asking everybody Stuy10's role is title is technical director, right?
Moyes and Steiden Collaboration Possibilities
00:32:19
Speaker
plenty of other clubs have directors of football and
00:32:23
Speaker
If I'm not mistaken, there are many clubs in the world who have a technical director. Actually, now that I'm saying this out loud, it sounds wrong, but I'm just going to finish the sentence. Have a technical director and the director of football, or they have, you know, director of football operations, technical director. Like there are clubs that have many people in these roles. Is there space for Moyes and Stuyton to work on that plan together?
00:32:52
Speaker
I think that their voices are too conflicting. I don't think so. They have different approaches to the game. I don't think so. I think that they generally have the same idea. They just have different visions of how to execute it and what it means. Do you think that Steiden is going to hire a manager close in playstyle to David Moyes? No. But I think he'll hire a manager
00:33:22
Speaker
comparable in play style to David Morris. Comparable in play style? Yeah, not close, like we're not going to be sitting back as much. But I think in terms of like, pressing sequences, and like, attacking quickly, and like being deadly in transition, those will be common themes between the two managers, if we do move on.
00:33:48
Speaker
Yeah, because I think that's the only way for us to operate between the talent that we have and the level that we're at. Yeah, I mean, we got kudos. That's like, he might as well. Fuck him. We have Jared Bowen. Yeah. And he's on a seven year contract. He ain't going nowhere. Like press and playing transition and you will see 20 goal seasons from this guy.
Comparing Moyes' Impact and Management Style
00:34:16
Speaker
What do you think about just purely the manager question? About if Moist should stay or go? Yeah. I just don't think it's a decision that we have to talk about right now. And I don't think it's like not to be evasive. No, no, no. I think that talk sport, you know, it's Clicks, it's West Ham. Talk sport have lots of ends with West Ham, which is what makes the comment about him going upstairs very interesting.
00:34:45
Speaker
Also because I've seen him go upstairs in football manager before and just to go on a little tangent He was the he was a scout at Fulham Or he was like a the head scout at Fulham in my FM safe I actually remember you said yeah, and I tried to hire him as my director of football and
00:35:07
Speaker
but he wouldn't come to my club because I had alone the players from West Ham previously and I had created a bad relationship with David Moyes. We were on bad terms. He didn't want to work with me. That's so real. Dithering Dave. Dithering Dave. But I love the idea of him in a role like that because I think not only does he have a good idea of how England works, which
00:35:34
Speaker
No matter what anybody wants to admit, it's important for Stuyten and his first few years in England to have that voice. I think that voice helps Stuyten a lot this summer, just as much as Stuyten's voice helped Mois. I think that goes very, very underestimated.
00:35:52
Speaker
Absolutely. It's a great point. Like if you think about the Knicks, I mean, this is very like just the conversation between you and me, I guess. But I know they play tonight. They're on the brand. When when Leon Rose, the Knicks president became like came into office.
00:36:13
Speaker
He had not had a front office job before. He was a player agent, converted into a front office met guy. And they kept on. The old general manager, Scott Perry, who is a grizzled, he's grinded his teeth.
00:36:31
Speaker
in the NBA for two decades. He's had front office jobs. He's been successful, unsuccessful. A lot of his track record with the Knicks is a mixed bag, but he was kept on just to kind of guide the new front office who had been an experience and kind of
00:36:55
Speaker
be that experienced mind in the room and David Moyes could absolutely be that for Steiner and and In that way would be great. That's another thing Why does this have to be a permanent thing for Moyes when we talk about it? He could do it for a year or two and you could go manage somebody else It doesn't have to be a permanent thing or he could do it for a year or two and then he could go be a director of football somewhere else and
00:37:19
Speaker
That would be sick. It's all fun and games, but I do think that something that makes a lot of sense for him, I know he's been a manager his whole career, his whole life after being a player, but I think being somebody who makes decisions on squad building makes a ton of sense for him. Something he'll have to obviously improve on is getting work done earlier in the window. He's struggled with that his whole career as a manager.
00:37:50
Speaker
But I think turning into someone like that makes a lot of sense for him. He clearly has talent for it. The player who I was going to use is the biggest example of Moisenstein and kind of collaborating with each voice, having lots of say and influencing the other one, I think is Alvarez.
00:38:07
Speaker
I think Alvarez is the one. And I think that that's why the rest of the summer went so well is because they were able to come together on that Alvarez signing. But yeah, that's why I think Moyes would be great for us. But just going back to what put us on this tangent, I don't think a contract with him is anything we have to discuss right now between a Bubama contract and a Zuma contract. The other thing is that this is this is how our job with us is how Moyes, you know,
00:38:36
Speaker
re-establish his name in football as something respectable at the very least and at something very great and impressive on the very high end. If we let the contract run into late Pearl or even let it run out and then we talk to him in the summer, he's not going to bolt. Look, these top six clubs don't want him. They're still scared off him. I was listening to somebody say he would do a Dave Moyes in 2023 would do a better job of Manchester United in 2023.
00:39:05
Speaker
than 2013, Moyes with 2013 United. Oh, for sure. Which they admitted was a combination of expectations at the clubs because now United are just thinking in the top four. That's great. Back then it was their God given right to win the league. But also that Moyes is more experienced now and he understands how football works now and he's a much more progressive manager now. People do not give him enough credit for going for games just because he's David Moyes.
00:39:35
Speaker
And it's people, something I realize more and more every year in our sport, people don't like to watch games with their eyes. They watch it with the narratives that are already in their head. Like the Arsenal game we went for, the Everton game we went for, but we don't know how to play with the ball. That's a very true thing. We don't really know how to play with the ball, especially against a team as well drilled as a strong Dijk team. This is why we saw us beat Luton. I think that we can win games having a lot of the ball.
00:40:05
Speaker
But I think specifically a Deutsch team is a very difficult one to beat for us if we have 60% possession. All that I say, we can talk to Moyes in May about this contract and we can see how the season goes. He's not going to run away.
00:40:25
Speaker
I'm going to miss him though. If I had to guess, I think he will be our manager next season. I would be very surprised if he wasn't our manager next season. Me too. He's such a great manager. He's a level head.
00:40:45
Speaker
He's a very level head. He like blazed this kind of like a counter culture really of style that has been successful in the face of every team trying to play the same or similar way. Because it's a modernized version of what he does.
00:41:09
Speaker
I think, and I do think that, like, another thing that goes understated is he did a great job his first stint here. Did a great job. Yeah. But if you stayed on for that next season, this wouldn't have happened. And even it wouldn't have built up into this. It would have just, it would have, you know, bottomed out or something, or we would have just been in mid table hell. Um, you know, people mock them for the Red Bull.
00:41:37
Speaker
thing. Yeah, I mock him. He called Suchak a young player when he was 25. But he did improve as a manager during those two years he had off and away from us. He did. That's undeniable. If between the Lingard stuff, and the way he kept us up to two times because the gate, the 1920 squad was much worse than the squad he kept up the first time. There's no one out of it.
00:42:04
Speaker
There was no Lanzini at that same level. That team was bad. He had the inventors. He had the inventors on Novich. Dude, he got lucky that we played Novich and Antonio at four. That team is really bad. But this is a guy who's reinvented his style in his own way and to match his own image. And like you said, it's a counterculture where it's a classic style, but it has modern spices.
00:42:35
Speaker
And I think that's what makes us so successful. It flies in the face of what is seen to be the correct way of being successful. And it actually is something that preys on that convention. It preys on it. Not only does it fly in the face of it, it preys on it. And the Brighton Games, for example, I can't remember
00:43:02
Speaker
It must have been the first time he managed against the Zerbe was last year in the four nil when we were at our worst, by the way, and he watched that and we smashed them at their place. Four months, four months without a care in the world annihilated them.
00:43:21
Speaker
Just, just incredible. Just the way we, the way we set up against Arsenal, the way we set up against Chelsea. Oh man. Like, how do you watch those games? You know, like, I don't really like this guy. But it's exactly what you say that it preys on the style, even the city game city. I know they ended up losing the walls next week, whatever. Gary O'Neill, just quick shout out. What a manager. Respect, respect. What a manager. Bournemouth are crazy for letting him go. I'm still high on their summer transfer business.
00:43:51
Speaker
But with, I don't know when Alex Scott is going to play, and with Adams out for this long, I don't know how it's going to go, but to let O'Neill go is crazy. But Moyes, like, in these losses at Liverpool and City, like, he's given these teams trouble. Like, he does not give enough credit for what he is.
00:44:17
Speaker
period. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. And it's it's he won't until he's gone. Yeah, it's it's gonna be something people realize after time. Because it's so frustrating man to see these these fans. Every time we lose literally every time we lose it's they want him gone and he's he doesn't know what he's doing and he needs to step down like I think it's what we're talking about with these people who don't know what they're watching because look, I want to make this very clear saying this again like
00:44:47
Speaker
There are real reasons to be frustrated with Moyes and to even think that, you know, let's get rid of Moyes at the end of this season. I don't think that there's any reason to want him sacked in
Criticism and Praise for Moyes
00:44:58
Speaker
this moment. Look, in two or three weeks, like if we lose a forest and we come back from an international break and we draw up Burnley, we can start talking. You know what I mean? Like, because these are games that he just has to win. There's really no other way to put it. Yeah.
00:45:16
Speaker
But to be talking about it now is obscene. It's ridiculous. He's given us everything we could have asked for more. And there's no reason to deem him unsuccessful. What has he done wrong? Brentford away is a tough picture for any team in this league, especially us. Like the only game that he's lost that's that unforgivable is Everton.
00:45:42
Speaker
Because he rested everyone in Olympiacos knowing how tough of a fixture that was. We probably had talked about that looking at the new games early. Definitely. That's an incredibly tough fixture. He rested everyone because he was betting on that everything game because he knew we needed points. That's the one that's unforgivable to me.
00:46:02
Speaker
Who did we lose through the week? Oh, Villa. That one's pretty terrible. But that's... That sounds forgivable. That was a terrible player, but I feel like that was the players. Oh, absolutely. I agree with that. Actually, I disagree. We didn't set up the right way, but the players were really bad too. I think it's mostly on the players, but I think I said this on the podcast after that game, that Moi is set up with far too much pride. Mm-hmm.
00:46:31
Speaker
He went there because it's the thing where it's like us, Villa, and Newcastle and Brighton, that whole little... What's the word that people use? Gaggle. It's a whole little gaggle of teens. People use that word. You'd be surprised. I am surprised.
00:46:54
Speaker
But, you know, people compare those teams like, man, these are the teams that are really pushing the top six. And Moise sees that. And he's like, you've been in Europe. You know what I mean? Like we've been doing this, like, who is that? Like, I'm going to show up and like, we're going to go toe to toe with them. And for 20 minutes, we did for 15 or 20 minutes. I remember watching that game and I was like, man, it's just two really good teams going toe to toe. But I don't think that we were true enough to ourselves.
00:47:21
Speaker
especially in that system, the 433 of Paquetta on the left, it's got to be deeper with that specific team. Yeah. I had my own problems with it.
00:47:40
Speaker
I didn't like Antonio at the striker position against the high line. I think it played right into their hands. But I don't know. I'm not too mad at Moyes over that game. I'm not mad at him. I'm just not. As much as I love Moyes and I think he's going to get a new contract and I'm happy about that.
00:48:04
Speaker
because I think he's going to figure this out. And this whole two and a half weeks will be forgotten as like, we got through in the Carabao cup and then we beat Liverpool and we went to the semi final.
Team Playing Style Against Top Teams
00:48:18
Speaker
Like we went there and we said, we're going to go toe to toe with this team. We're just as good as you. And like, you're going to play that high line. Like we're just going to keep chipping it in behind the Antonio and Bowen. And it didn't work. And not because we're not as good as them, but just because
00:48:35
Speaker
If going and attacking teams doesn't mean you're as good as them. You need to be true to who you are. And we are in our best, like, in transition, like, soaking up pressure. Let's do that, especially away at these teams. I wish you did more of that at Brentford, in a way. I really wish you did more of that at Villa. But I think that's why we lost that game. It's just to let them down.
00:49:00
Speaker
I'm pretty confident that we'll beat Villa at home. I said that after the Villa game, but yeah. I want to talk about something else, too. Just talking about Piqueta on the left against Villa reminded me, I'm done with that experiment, generally, in the 4-3-3 or the 4-2-3-1, whatever it is specifically. But if this 4-4-2,
00:49:28
Speaker
is a sign of things to come. I'm perfectly fine with playing Paquetta on the left of a 4-4-2. I think he has way more license to come inside and dictate in that system than he does on a 4-3-3. Because there's less bodies in there. And when Fornales came on for Ben Rama for the last 30 minutes, he was literally standing in between Sucek and Warcross.
00:49:57
Speaker
Um, so that's just my take on that. If he wants to stick with it, I'm down to give Antonio and Bowen and their goal, mostly because we've seen Bowen play second striker a bunch in preseason and once in the Premier League and he is scored every game. I mean, they're, they're scored every game.
00:50:20
Speaker
You can put him that right back and he's going to score. I know, but I'm just saying like, and kudos look great in the system. If the concern for me is the two in midfield, because if it's Alvarez and WordPress fine, Alvarez can sit back. Look, I just don't know if we have the athleticism to play a 4-4-2 with the two midfielders. If we had signed to Anana instead of Paquetta once upon a time, maybe.
00:50:49
Speaker
But then who plays on the left? Then Rama? I don't know. But I'm concerned about the ability of the two of them. But then again, if you play Piketto on the left, maybe he's able to help compensate for that a little bit because of how he plays. I'm just asking you basically, what do you think
00:51:13
Speaker
about trying this 4-4-2 again with Alvarez in for Suchuk or Word Prowse and Paquetta in for Ben Rama? It's hard. I don't know. I just don't trust James Word Prowse that exposed. Okay, what if it's Suchuk and Alvarez? That changes everything. I mean... Because that's what I would personally play. Yeah. Like not even in like a
00:51:41
Speaker
hating on
00:51:58
Speaker
not ill-advised, is what I'll say. They were valid. They were not. There was no malice in them. They were valid concerns. But I do think that he's better than probably what we expected. I think, personally, I think he's a lot better at pressing. Pressing was something I completely underestimated with him. When he's able to press, I think that's great. And remind me to come back to that. But the other thing is, go ahead.
00:52:24
Speaker
I was going to say like, in the pivot, especially in like, people are like, well, don't play him deep, play him in advance then. He was signed to play deep and you wanted him signed to play deep. So that's number one. These people who are like playing advance and forward, you wanted him signed to play in this pivot. That's number one. Number two, which is even bigger is that Moyes and Staiten, they signed him to play in the pivot.
00:52:53
Speaker
This is what he was signed to do. And number three, you gotta play him over kudos. You gotta play him over paketa. What are you gonna do? You wanna play kudos on the right and paketa on the left with war prowess to the middle and bone up front? Is that really what you wanna do? Because if we play that 4-3-3 system, I think that kudos and paketa
00:53:17
Speaker
Aren't um, i don't think that they play high enough up the pitch to support bowin the way that bowin's able to support antonio when we do that 433 nonsense and we sit the They they won't support bowin the same way and bowin is much smaller and can't hold the ball up as well So, what do you actually want from james? WordPress? Because yeah to me He just has to figure out
00:53:42
Speaker
how to play deeper, because that's what he was signed to do. And if you want to take it up with Moyes, if you want to take it up with Saitan, if you want to talk about Last Summer, we signed Skamaka, we didn't know exactly what he was. We signed Piketto, it took us a little while to figure out exactly what he was. If you want to take it up with that, fine. I'm not saying Workhouse is a bad player. I'm actually not saying, I think he's actually
00:54:07
Speaker
In a lot of ways, he's fine playing deeper. I think he's just not playing great right now because he's been a little exposed by the intricacies in how we set up. But if you want to be upset about it, I don't think that the questions that you're asking are right because he was signed to play deep. So we have to judge him on how he plays in that pivot.
00:54:34
Speaker
Because that's his job. At the end of the day, we spent 30 million pounds for him to play next to Alvarez. So he has to do that. And that's what he was doing at Southampton. He wasn't playing super advanced. He was getting up the pitch. I think a lot of it is that they would play the same way that we were playing in midfield three. They would play in midfield three.
00:55:00
Speaker
With like, I don't know exactly what it was last year. This may be off the mark. I can look it up. But like Lavia and Rameu and then Ward Prowse. Which like, he's not operating as a 10. But he's not operating as a pivot. Which is what makes it weird. I'm looking up their 4-4 against Liverpool last year in the final day.
00:55:30
Speaker
He played in the pivot because that was after they had signed Alcatraz or whatever. Alcatraz. Alcatraz. He played in the pivot. They scored four goals. They conceded four. They conceded four goals. That was a Suleiman and Master Class. They're not trying to put that on. But no, but you understand what I'm saying is like, I just don't buy this misprofile thing that much because first of all, he's done the pivot thing a lot of his career.
00:55:59
Speaker
And second of all, like maybe he should be playing there. In my opinion, like maybe I think he's best in the midfield three because of just his athletic limitations. But I'm not going to sit here and make excuses for him. And I think like I've made excuses for how there I've made excuses for Paquetta when he was great. I think I'm just done with it.
James Ward Prowse's Role Assessment
00:56:22
Speaker
We signed somebody to play a role that he's played really his whole career.
00:56:31
Speaker
He should do it. Yeah. And if he's not doing it, just like any other player on the team, he could be dropped. Absolutely. And we've talked about this before. He is not the same level of un-droppable as Paquetta Bowen and Zuma. And becoming Mr. Muhammad Kudus.
00:56:54
Speaker
Hell yeah. It better be that way because it is. It is. He's not getting dropped ever again. I, I think it might be, if he's not out of the squad or not, if he's not out of the 11 on Thursday for Olympiacos, I think it might be a very, very, very long time until we see a team without him. Besides maybe like, you know, a six year Europa game, but you know, like,
00:57:23
Speaker
He's stupid. It's hard to find places to drop these guys. And he's young. He just turned 23. He's got miles on those legs to get. Might as well use him up. What a signing, man. What a damn signing. It's really unbelievable thinking about that we pulled that off. For real. God damn. I don't know. With WordPress,
00:57:52
Speaker
like he just yeah he just needs to figure it out basically he needs to figure out how to play because I think I think in a way Moises to help him I think yeah he doesn't like even when he was playing well like well in the beginning it kind of was like it does this guy have like a defined role but it was fine didn't matter because he was putting balls in the net this is but what did I say to you when we were signing him and when we did sign them and when he started playing well even in beginning what I say to you
00:58:21
Speaker
I said with him, it's all about the goals and assists. If he brings the goals and assists, it's fine because he'll be bringing goals and assists. That's the big thing with him. I think he's got seven for us right now. I said if he had 20, I said if he had 20 plus in all competitions, he'd be perfect. He'd be fine. Good. He's on trying to do that and I would still call him a good sign and he's just had a few frustrating games, which
00:58:49
Speaker
is okay because a team has had a frustrating two or three weeks. And even with your point with pressing, yeah, he's been great pressing when he's playing like in those events areas. Even against Villa, I thought I pressed really well in the second half and we were down 2-1 and we were chasing it. I thought I pressed well, was it this weekend? Maybe it was this weekend. I can't remember anymore.
00:59:18
Speaker
But then again, our best game, our best pressing game this season happened when he was not playing. He's not on the pitch. He's not on the pitch. Yeah. And it just begs the question about as a Mois team, and I know Mois has his man crush on WordPress, I get it. I get it from David Mois' point of view. I see it. But I think Mois might have to come to the conclusion that
00:59:47
Speaker
The physical presence and athleticism is really important for his teams in midfield. Really important. And does James Ward Prowse provide you with that? And it's not like we have to job him forever. But it's something to consider ahead of Forrest. Because I think I would start him against Olympiakos with Alvarez and give Suchak a rest.
01:00:12
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I mean, I said this in the summer when we were debating him and Fafana that like, yeah, I mean, everyone was so ready to get rid of Suchak that they kind of lost sight of what he brings. To be honest, I'm pretty proud of us for being able to keep sight of that
01:00:38
Speaker
Like, I mean, for me, it was much less about to check on more about rice, where it was like, we need to have this athletic and physical presence in midfield because this is how this is how we went to quote Adam Sandler. But no, but but it is this is how we went is we dominate teams physically in midfield. And our most I would say Arsenal is by far our most solid performance this season in terms of I feel like conceding or not.
01:01:10
Speaker
Have we kept the clean sheet this season? Oh, Sheffield United. Oh no. It's weird because I think that we should, could, and will beat Olympiacos at home and beat Forest at home. And that questions won't really be answered yet. Hmm.
01:01:40
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. I think we beat them out of the way. Well, that's my thing. I just think that we're better than them. And we are better than other teams we've lost. But these two games, I think those in Piacos, the players are going to come out with a little chip on their shoulder because of what happened in Greece. And then I think Forest, Zuma will start. Peketa will start out. Rez will start. It'll be a big boost for everybody involved. A huge boost, yeah.
01:02:10
Speaker
And I think that we'll just outclass probably in like two or three,
Jared Bowen's England Team Potential
01:02:13
Speaker
one. It'd be nice. A clean sheet would be very nice against them because they do have dangerous players and we need clean sheets. Do you think Bowen gets called up again? Yeah, absolutely. I don't even think it's a question. I think as he's coming back a little late for it to even be a question, I think the big thing. He played this weekend. Yeah, I don't think.
01:02:41
Speaker
I just think Southgate would be nuts to not call it Bowen. And let's say we lost both of these games. But I mean, he's scored twice. He's scoring all of these games that we're losing. And Villa was after the break. Not that that was a real goal, but he scored a goal. It went in the net. That's what Bowen does. And you know, that counts for something.
01:03:10
Speaker
Absolutely. You know, like, South Key will watch him. Bellwyn gives that England squad something on the wing that they don't have from anybody. They don't have that type of player who will get in the box the way he does and will do the running that he does without the ball. I mean, like Sterling, probably the best winger without the ball in the world. But he doesn't seem to have any interest in calling him up anymore.
01:03:36
Speaker
Which is really weird. Which is a conversation we can have when the arrows come around. Yeah. But look, Bowen does a lot for them, for England, and I think if they can find a role for him, he can be a very important piece. And I think that with him playing so well, and he's still scoring goals after getting called up, I think that that's something that they're going to really want to look into this November. And then, you know, they'll say, keep it up. And then when March comes around,
01:04:05
Speaker
we'll see where you're at. And then that's when you can really start building up for the tournament if you're going to be in the squad or not. But I believe in him, man. Because it feels different with him. Because now that it's November, the last time when he had the big, big season,
01:04:25
Speaker
He was playing great. Like the performances were unbelievable, but the goals were kind of few and far between. He had the one against Brentford. There's the own goal against Leeds. And then trying to remember which goal actually set him off in that 2021, 2020. Was it the gank goal where like he hit it straight at the keeper and it went in the net? Was that the one that set him off? When did he start scoring?
01:04:57
Speaker
You know what it was? Because he had that dry spell in the beginning of the season. I don't know what it was. He was putting a few goals together. He had the goal against Gank at home. I think he had another one somewhere in December. And then he had the three assists game against Watford. Yeah, that was great. He had the three assists game against Watford, and he scored. But it was disallowed for a foul on Sujuk.
01:05:23
Speaker
Yeah. And it was after that game, he couldn't stop scoring. He got one to blast at that game, man. That's something. That's something, man. No, but yeah, yeah. It was after that game where he was unstoppable, where it was every game he would score. And he just started out the season like that. And players go through form. He'll slow down maybe a little bit at some point.
01:05:51
Speaker
Dude, it really feels like he might score like 13, 14, 15 Premier League goals alone. I know he only has one assist in all competitions right now. He was just robbed of one on Saturday by Antonio. Those will come. Like he'll probably end up with five to eight in all competitions somehow. He's doing the right things out there. He just is.
01:06:17
Speaker
to eight goals in all competitions. We've played 12 league games, three Europa games. He's probably made 15, 16 appearances. He's going to play 60 games. What a guy. You're probably looking at if he slows down, you're probably looking at 23 or 24 goals, which if you're keeping count,
01:06:46
Speaker
is six more than he scored in the 21-22 season that's crazy it's that's crazy it's it's crazy the kind of form you know it's crazy that he's extended and i think i think he i think he will slow down um he just he has to
01:07:08
Speaker
We'll see, man.
Jared Bowen's Form and Goal Projections
01:07:09
Speaker
He hasn't shown no signs of slowing down. Before this episode ends, let's do a little XG check on him. I've looked at his XG a bunch over the last few years, because he's our biggest goal-scoring guy. And he's always very consistent in how he performs with his XG. So in the 2020-2021 season, he performed exactly to his XG, essentially.
01:07:37
Speaker
7.99 XG eight goals the next year he had 12 league goals and had 13 XG in the league Last year he had 10 XG in the league and had six league goals this year He has five XG so far and has seven goals so what that tells me is that he'll slow down a bit and
01:08:01
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but that he's going to end with like 15 XG and like 14 or 15 holes in the legal loan. It's fine by me. Which is crazy and his expected assist is down. He's at two expected assists this year, seven last year, six the year before, five the year before that. He'll get to that range. But that's what I'm saying is that it'll all come together.
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