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Is it coming home? 👀 England could be on the brink of winning Euro 2024
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England are on the brink of winning Euro 2024?! 👀 Most fans are dreading the possibility as they face Spain in the final! 🏆 Meanwhile, the Republic of Ireland FINALLY has a new manager, sparking fresh hope for the future! 🇮🇪⚽
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Introduction & Surprise Appointment
00:00:59
Glennon
Hello, hello, hello, and welcome back to the Not a Pundo Podcast. Have you ever heard such a beautiful voice after the silence we've heard from the FAI to hear those stunning tones from our new Icelandic friend? Here to talk about it all, it's myself, Conor Glennon, Killian Ginnity, and Nighting Burn. Boys, how are we?
00:01:18
killianginnity
I am so happy.
00:01:22
Glennon
It's... I... I will say, come out of nowhere.
00:01:25
killianginnity
Oh yeah, no, like this this completely took me by surprise. um i don't think I think we were kind of expecting a lot more leaks about this before an appointment would be made. I think we all kind of expected to kind of go, oh, somebody's on a plane or anything like that. No, they the f FAI actually kind of, as far as I'm concerned, pulled it out of the bag of this one. um Do I believe that he was their first candidate? No. ah Do I believe that they were always in control of the process, as Mark Canham says?
Reactions to Heimer's Appointment
00:01:56
killianginnity
Absolutely not. But I think we have a great appointment there.
00:02:00
Nate
Yeah, I wouldn't be joining you on the, pulled it out the bag train. Yeah. But I think, I think it's exciting.
00:02:05
Glennon
I'm not on that train either yet.
00:02:09
Nate
Um, it's definitely a relief to put an end to the, to the stupid length of that, that process talk, I think.
00:02:16
killianginnity
231 days.
00:02:16
Nate
And I think. Yeah, I think we can all agree on that. m I'm just excited to get behind a manager now and just like, let's see where it goes. You know, huge game starting with England. But yeah, I'm excited to see what ideas his his talking about pragmatic football and stuff like that has has stood out to me. It's what I've previously said in this podcast that I'm looking for. So yeah, I'm excited and and hopeful.
Heimer's Plans for Irish Football
00:02:44
Glennon
I have to say, without Killian's Five of Five yesterday, I think I would have been fairly lost on on the topic of our new man, Heimer. But I will say, if he speaks well, um he seems like a nice bloke. um you know he's obviously oh He's moving to Ireland. I know that was a key part of the job. I didn't think we'd be able to pull that off. and Kill your same before we hopped on is keen to kind of really embed himself in Irish football in in terms of ah but not a grassroots level, but hell he he kind of has done that and everywhere he's gone, but in the League of Ireland level.
00:03:15
killianginnity
Yeah, he he wants to really get a a real knowledge of the team and that part of that is by keeping a lot of the staff that's there, like he's spoken to the likes of Seamus Coleman and kind of got his opinion on the staff and he wants to bring in the likes of John O'Shea, whether John O'Shea knows that yet, he now knows it because it was discussed by them all at the press conference whether there was an agreement or not. But Yeah, he he wants to have a full development of of players now, obviously with him coaching.
00:03:50
killianginnity
in the Icelandic league and then being part of the coaching setup as kind of an assistant manager, then like a co-manager, and then being a solo manager of the national team, he's kind of got all levels of of their setup. And I think he wants to see a similar thing happen here as to happen there, which is try and keep some really good players in the league of Ireland, develop them here, and then put them out to the likes of Europe rather than England. So get them out to Italy, get them out to France, get them out to Spain, which is what has been happening. And to great effect, look at Jacob Ryan.
00:04:21
killianginnity
I think he kind of practically came out of nowhere. Look at Festi Obalesi at Udinese. These players are getting much better first team experience at younger ages than they would have over in England. i am Absolutely, yeah.
00:04:35
Glennon
and less pressure too, you know.
Grassroots Approach & League Benefits
00:04:38
killianginnity
And for that, the league is actually getting better sell on clauses. which works and financially for them, but it also allows younger players the opportunity to stay for longer because they're not in a rush to try and get to England to try and get the best development because they're now looking at the League of Ireland as being a true training ground, which even if we go back a decade, ah I think of, I think at that time, kind of post Robert Keen with Ireland, just post, and most of the Irish internationals in the Premier League and Championship had actually played in the league of Ireland.
00:05:15
killianginnity
So the likes of Darl Murphy, Wes Houlihan, Shane Long, Kevin Doyle, ah all these players that were playing for Ireland at at that stage had actually come up through there and
00:05:26
Glennon
Which is amazing, you know, and so far away from where we are now. Like if it if it is a case where players have played in the league of Ireland, it's for a very limited stint, if even. and And, you know, obviously the Brexit rules have changed things slightly in terms of player transfers. But if we can get back to that era of at least players who've been in the league, it can only help the league, but also help the national team.
00:05:46
killianginnity
well it's actually also leads to players having longer top flight careers and better top flight careers if they've started off in the League of Ireland based on those players versus those that came through a lot of the English
Financial Constraints & Management Needs
00:06:00
killianginnity
ranks. So look at like a Darren Gibson who kind of burned brightly and then fizzled quickly versus the likes of Darryl Murphy who from Both sides of the Northeast, red red ah and black and white, ah we know of like his gold scoring exploits in the championship, but but he had a very long English career and if
00:06:21
killianginnity
Highmere-Hagemason can help bring that kind of development and has that interest to be that little bit more grassroots, but also having the coaching capability and experience to be able to manage and get a bit of respect from the top level footballers as well. Like you don't want to put an end to Roy Hodgson's England career. with nothing and so he knows what he's doing and so the likes of an F for Ferguson can learn from him whilst he's also trying to bring true ah players out technically and at a worse level.
00:06:53
Glennon
and And I think even Evan Ferguson will for those reasons be excited and I think as well if you're a mid-level player you're probably even more excited because he hasn't had the highest standard of teams now Iceland I'd argue are a better team than us Jamaica arguable at the same time but Nate what are you thinking about the coaching ticket and you as a resident mole in the football world i don't want to make it to be the thick the accountant of not upon that but what are we looking at contracts ah for a girl hymer and then ah what do you think of the coaching ticket.
00:07:26
Nate
Yeah, it's rumoured to be around €600,000. Well, it does depend on if you haven't said that it was around €650,000 for 70 a month, so just up until after the World Cup campaign, which I think is a smart move by the FAI. They're not committing long term, but they're showing that they're willing to back up for the campaign. In terms of the coaching, I'm sort of at the point where I feel like I want to see more movement now in the FAI. I want to see more people leaving and new people coming in. and I think he, him coming in has in my head sort of started this movement where I'm like, okay, let's see more additions. Let's see us actually be proactive and go out and back this guy in in what we can around international football.
00:08:13
Nate
and But yeah, I think the FAI need to go out and back home. In terms of what Kilian was mentioning, in terms of the League of Ireland and stuff, my only issue with that is I feel a lot of it is things he can't control. So he can't control investment in the League of Ireland. He can't control the level of the League of Ireland. I think... that could be where his sort of idea of players coming through that and going and go to other countries and stuff like that might fall a bit but listen if you get to dawn then we're all laughing aren't we?
00:08:47
killianginnity
but the only thing about that though is him as an international manager saying that he is willing to call up players that are in that kind of a
00:08:47
Glennon
So look.
00:08:58
killianginnity
a pathway is a really good indication that it's not, it's not like it had been previously. Whereas if you do not play for a top two English team, you're not getting caught up by having this kind of wide open, no blinkers on view. ah It will him saying that alone will encourage more players to do that and kind of do what's right by their own career. with an eye on Ireland rather than feeling that they have to go through they the beaten path and actually just seeing coming through here and now, ah he has already gone and is currently watching Shelburne playing Saint Joseph of Gibraltar in ah the Europa the eu League at the conference league.
00:09:25
Nate
Okay.
00:09:38
Glennon
See, that's the kind of thing that like you can call this a PR exercise if you want. and know Yes, I am a cynic when it comes to these things, but he's doing the right things. He's, he's saying the right things. And, uh, it's exciting, you know, like as much as it was, and was, it was, I can't remember who in the group was saying it yesterday, but what was it about when he was announcing his Iceland teams?
00:09:51
killianginnity
meeting fans, getting photos, chatting to families.
00:10:00
Glennon
He used to go to pubs or something.
00:10:02
killianginnity
So when he, and this was in our five of five and five, so if you want to kind of a a little, lit a very quick deep dive on him, go back and listen to that. and So when he took over the Icelandic coaching ticket himself ah as a way of kind of ingratiating himself with the fans, getting to know them and allowing them to put their trust in him, he would actually, he organized meetups for for the first game a with fans in a local pub to chat through his team selection and kind of go, here, this is the way I'm going to play. What do you think? What do you think I should be looking at for the next team? and Is our players I'm missing out on? We're facing X, Y, and Z. ah Here's where I think their strengths and weaknesses are,
Heimer's Sincerity & Fan Engagement
00:10:42
killianginnity
what do you think? And then this kind of became a tradition that he would go and meet these fans. He's from an island of 330,000 people. like there That is a catchment area for a GAA club in Dublin.
00:10:54
killianginnity
like so he is very very good at the parochial end of things which I think Irish fans is we' it's just so ingrained in our culture to have that kind of a mindset that it's a glove fit here like
00:11:10
Nate
FAO missed out, didn't they?
00:11:11
Glennon
do it do Do we think that he's looking at this job as, you know, obviously he's been at Iceland, he's been at Jamaica.
00:11:12
Nate
they should have got them ah They should have supplemented some of his salary with some PR nights and some pubs.
00:11:18
killianginnity
yeah
00:11:26
Glennon
God, it must have been hard taking that job and with that with that awful weather. and But do we think he's looking at it with step as a stepping stone or do you think he actually is looking at this as a project?
00:11:30
killianginnity
Mm hmm.
00:11:37
killianginnity
I think this is right for his level. Like, I think he kind of took a step backwards with Jamaica and more so because of like, we think we're bad. I think Jamaica isn't in a worse predicament. Federation wise, the struggle to pay players, the players are actively complaining about the lack of professional standards in terms of like, Leon Bailey came out and said that they they were getting training tops that were the women's team because their women's international team is actually very good and kind of very competitive and at ah at the Olympic level.
00:12:11
Glennon
Kind of what happened to the Irish women's team of yesteryear, where they got hand-me-downs from the men, to you know?
00:12:16
killianginnity
Yeah, yeah. So like to go from that um to, ah as as he has said, a much more professional outfit. It was an attraction to him. And I think his name isn't big enough to consider this a stepping stone. i think he I think he considers this a proving ground rather than a
Potential Playing Style & Tactical Expectations
00:12:37
killianginnity
stepping stone. I don't think he's necessarily looking for the next appointment, but he's going to go and try and make his name and and like put his neck out here um i think he is not not to be punny about it but i think he is chomping at the bit here considering he's a dentist
00:12:53
Glennon
i was yeah I was waiting to see who'd be the first one to bite get it um on on his his other profession, which I think the the press have been enjoying.
00:12:58
killianginnity
yeah
00:13:02
Glennon
Nate, what are you saying? Do you think he's stepping stone or his knights or as Cillian said, do you think it's a ah case where his name's not even big enough to be stepping stone material?
00:13:11
Nate
Listen lads, where I'm at I think yeah i think we just have to be honest and consider Ireland is a stepping stone. and like ah Just where we are like internationally, where where we're ranked, what our ambitions ah have been but what we've actually achieved. i think ah it' wrong like I think it's hard to look past us as a stepping stone. Now I hope he comes in and does the best he can but you know if he comes in proves himself and then my idea of what a stepping stone would be would be clubs coming in to try and poach them is it's hard to look away especially when you know we can only offer the salary that we offer it's hard to not see it as a stepping stone that's where I'm at what what about you Connor?
00:13:58
Glennon
i think it's I think the approach that he's bringing, at least publicly in in the statements he's making, I think he doesn't know how long he's going to be here, but for as long as he he is here, he wants to be as involved as possible. and Now, that could be from a learning perspective as, you know, Like you said, Keelan, he's almost like a politician in his parochial kind of ways. And i I think he's got an opportunity to do that here.
00:14:25
killianginnity
Yeah.
00:14:27
Glennon
And I would wonder, he's only 57. So I think it's it's a it could work either way. I think look think he's going to try his best. I think he wants to be as involved as he can. I think having coached men's and women's um in Iceland, I think he may try also be an adviser for the women's team as well, which would would be great. and All in all, I think short story long, long story short, i think like I said, I i think he doesn't know how long he's going to be here, but he's going to try the hardest that he can. And look, you'd be hard pressed to find a manager who, if they get a bigger offer in 17 months or 36 months, and that they they don't they don't take a look at it.
00:15:04
Glennon
But you know as I suppose if we look to that England game, um obviously, we will come on to what could be an apocalyptic weekend, as as our good friend Robbie said.
00:15:13
killianginnity
Okay.
00:15:15
Glennon
but Do you think going into that game, we should have any expectations of a style of football, like you know, looking at us from his playing career, he was a defender, but from the comments he's making, he seems pretty attacking focused and he's he's not like, well, there was a quote going around that it's, he wants lots of shots. You know, it's and it's not a case of he wants us being snipers. He wants machine gunners.
00:15:38
killianginnity
I think this is where he is going to be our pound shop at Jurgen Klopp with his rock and roll instead of heavy metal. um Like one one of his quotes was, I want and many attempts on goal, not trying to find the perfect one. And I think that suits us. It's a little bit scrappy. Instead of going for the pretty football, he just wants a result. I think rather than it being necessarily attacking, I think this is actually very, very pragmatic. and just kind of playing the numbers game on this. The more shots we have, the more chances we have of getting a goal. And if he does do set up the way that he has with Jamaica with the 442 with two kind of deep sixes and two wide players,
00:16:27
killianginnity
I think that could work really well. And the fact that he played Leon Bailey through the center um was interesting at Jamaica and could work, as I said, in a previous episode with a Smodix and a Ferguson, kind of a big and a little, that could be very, very interesting for us. And I think it's going to make the best use of the players that we have. And now he has also played at five at the back, and which I would be very, very curious to see if he does that against England. Cause I think that might be a sign of
00:16:55
Glennon
What's to come?
00:16:55
killianginnity
a Yeah, and that's my kind of one concern with the likes of having the same ah the same kind of backroom structure as was already there. Does he kind of revert the form instead of kind of implementing his own his own ideas? ah
00:17:11
Glennon
but I don't know about you but I think he needs to throw out the playbook of what Ireland are and I think he just needs to experiment. Now when you're on a 17 month contract that's not the exact a long amount of time that you want to experiment, but i even player wise, I think, you know, Ireland for the last decade or even two decades have become very reliant on a select group of players. And I think he needs to just tear that up and go, right, who do we have available? And I don't even mean like in some sort of, you know, American movie tryout situation, but I think he really does need to try different partnerships, like be try everything, you know.
00:17:46
killianginnity
And it seems to be very kind of personality driven as well. He'd rather have the right guy rather than the best player, which I think is something that we've said before about England doing wrong. England try to get the best players, whether they're not the fit together.
00:18:03
Glennon
Yeah.
00:18:03
killianginnity
i And I think that's where Ireland's going to actually really, really benefit. um I think Kenny tried to do that, but I think Kenny's personality was slightly spiky ah in the sense of like we've seen falling outs. We've seen players not get called up for long periods of time and think of Ryan Manning. And I think he's just enough of a normal bloke that it'd be hard pressed to find anybody that doesn't particularly like him and if he doesn't well then are you the right personality to have in the dressing room anyway so I don't think there's gonna be any rulebook I don't think there's gonna be any expectations of any particular player always playing I think it's gonna be do you deserve to play do you fit in what we're doing and and
00:18:47
killianginnity
While I don't expect any surprising call ups, I do think that we could see a few new passports handed out over the next year and we should should have a nice little fresh spine to work with.
00:19:00
Glennon
Do you think, Nate, do you think he wants to go, you know, obviously when you're younger, really, because when you build a project like this, it's easier to build it with players who are newer to the system, or do you think you'll he'll do a mix of young and old?
00:19:14
Nate
And to be honest, he can he can sort of do what he wants just because from what I'm hearing and what I'm like and what I'm hearing, he's going to go back to basics. like this This is what I've been on this podcast protesting about for the last eight months. I'm like, give me someone that will play like we are ranked whatever we are in the world, you know what I mean? and We need to go back to the basics, go back to being pragmatic, and that's exactly what he said in his press conference. Whether that's with you overall, they don't really think that that matters as long as the personnel is there to do do what what needs to be done.
00:19:48
Nate
like just just what what he said in a press conference, he like he hit the down nail on the head, he said in international football, you have to have the basics perfect, be organized, being compact, being a strong unit and the first thing is the first thing you need. And to be honest, that's a damning verdict on what Kenny's time was. I think think that that's something that ah really sunk from that press conference. So listen, I'm liking what I'm hearing. and I just hope he sticks to it and only time will tell. But in in terms of young or old, I don't really think that that particularly matters.
England vs Spain: Match Analysis
00:20:24
Glennon
Well, I think speaking of young and old, every person young and old in Ireland, after seeing a certain Ali Watkins fire went in, after 50 games, 114 goals, we have a final. Fortunately, boys England are in it. They got a tough chance against Spain. First of all, do you think it's coming home?
00:20:45
killianginnity
No.
00:20:46
Glennon
Nate.
00:20:49
Nate
nowa dinner
00:20:50
killianginnity
They've failed their way to the top.
00:20:50
Glennon
Now is that... Well, absolutely.
00:20:52
killianginnity
They have.
00:20:53
Glennon
But as Tony Crew said, you can't write England off. They may not play attractive football, but they grind out results and in a tournament. That's what you have to do. And as much as I hate how they are winning games, they are winning games.
00:21:05
Nate
No, I'm going to call England out right now.
00:21:05
killianginnity
No.
00:21:07
Nate
now m I'm not having it that they played good football last night. I'm really not.
00:21:13
killianginnity
yes nay yes
00:21:15
Nate
I think the referee left them into that game. I really do. I think it was horrible officiating. He didn't give the Netherlands one thing all night. And I genuinely think the confidence building came from where the English players are like, we can do what we want on that pitch. I really do. And I'm not having it that they instantly switch it to a good side like that. so i They played well in comparison.
00:21:36
killianginnity
Yes, Nate.
00:21:37
Glennon
I think it's, I think it's the best they've played. That doesn't mean they played well, you know?
00:21:40
killianginnity
Yes.
00:21:43
Glennon
Yeah. And, and I, I think, you know, when that Javi Siemens, Siemens go went in, I went, Oh, okay. We might, we might have something here. And I think Netherlands across that first half played very well. It was very organized. They were kind of pushing it down both channels. It was fast paced, but. That second half, it was it was so it was like England have played all tournament, just kind of static, kind of fumbly, really. They're all too compact and they they had room to move around, but no one was going forward. There was no urgency. And I don't know if you boys felt the same, but it was I think if Netherlands had played like they did in the first half, that the that second half really killed them.
00:22:28
killianginnity
Yeah, see that's the thing with how Netherlands had played all tournament. They normally played how they did in the first half in every previous second half and the flea and and vice versa.
00:22:36
Glennon
Yeah.
00:22:39
killianginnity
Like they normally kind of took a while to get into the match and then kind of rev things up high intensity grind out a result that's fine. Whereas England in this whole tournament just bored people to death and like if they did not have the look of the draw that they did they wouldn't be here and the first kind of half decent side that came up against being Netherlands is a side that hadn't been playing well, and we were all quite surprised it got to the semifinals. Whereas Spain has played consistently well.
00:23:11
Glennon
Six wins.
00:23:13
killianginnity
Like, they're the a first team to do that. And and like, they bet. ah a decent, pragmatic, ah better than England is doing England, Germany side. um I don't think there's anything that England have to offer to ah to be able to beat them. Like Spain have goals in them from multiple areas ah of the pitch. Do England
00:23:37
Glennon
I think that England team are like cockroaches man though they'd survive anything you know like it it and and they know what worries me is I used to love England going to penalties because he knew they'd bottle it. Now I'm not so sure.
00:23:51
killianginnity
I don't think Spain will let go that far um because I think think this is where this different style of play is going to be a much bigger factor. like Spain being reasonably structured with players that have pace and players with skill is going to be a major help. like Don't forget, England started Like after the seam seam one's goal to kind of put a bit of intensity on, but they didn't look on, look like they were going to score really. Like there was, there was no kind of finished product until a shot later on the match.
00:24:23
killianginnity
A dodgy penalty aside, England didn't do enough to win that match. I don't think maybe it was the draw.
00:24:30
Glennon
we have to talk We have to talk about that penalty, boys.
00:24:30
Nate
I don't even and you think Dodgy covers it like honest to God is one of the worst penalties I think I've ever seen given like he literally just takes a shot like is that how we're officiating the game now like if you take a shot as a striker and you hit him that's a penalty like because I can go back and pick out hundreds of penalties from the Premier League last season like it is
00:24:32
Glennon
like
00:24:52
Glennon
when you When you have Gary Neville saying that that was a disgrace about an English anything, you know it's a howler.
00:24:59
Nate
but
00:24:59
killianginnity
oh Oh yeah.
00:25:00
Nate
That was out all night. like How many guys did you see England make last night that got pulled up? And he wouldn't be.
00:25:06
Glennon
Do you think that's off the back of the the match fixing claims and he just wanted to look perfect?
00:25:13
Nate
I don't know if he wanted to look perfect because he had a funny way of showing up.
00:25:17
killianginnity
He did the exact opposite!
00:25:17
Nate
and I think it would have played a factor into maybe some of the decisions that were given but like he was blowing everything up for England and then everything's got nothing and that penalty was the icing on the cake like I honestly don't know how that got given and I think maybe after the tournament but I'm hoping soon that you wait for come out or yeah you wait for come out and go listen lads that wasn't a penalty because that sets a horrible precedent for the game.
00:25:45
killianginnity
yeah And don't forget like second hand ball in the build up to that, like, I think if it had been if Ireland had been the Netherlands in that position, we would feel very very very aggrieved.
00:25:48
Nate
Always.
00:25:57
killianginnity
and i think even if It wasn't Ireland. If that was Georgia ah or Austria or any of these kind of smaller teams that had gotten to the semi-finals, I think we would all be a lot more outraged by it. I think the fact that they're a slightly bigger team, we don't feel as sorry for them, but it doesn't change a really, really bad decision. And massive moment, but just
00:26:16
Glennon
at a massive moment.
00:26:19
Nate
What happened to the AR? Like, where was it?
00:26:22
Glennon
Well, as soon as he went to that screen, you just know like any time they do their little bloody run over to that screen, you know, it's not going the way you want it to go.
00:26:30
Nate
Did the hamburger check though? Because that is the most unnatural position I've ever seen. Like, it's literally...
00:26:35
killianginnity
I don't know.
00:26:37
Nate
Like, I have no idea how that was given.
00:26:39
killianginnity
Like when you consider that and that was a turning point, I think after that, the Dutch kind of seemed to take the pa the foot off the pedal a little bit. um I don't know if it was just out of frustration. They got a little bit messier. They got a little bit more first half as they had been in previous matches. And without that kind of stroke of good luck, I just don't see England coming coming into it ah versus the likes of Spain because different to England, Spain have proven this tournament that they'll get gold in open play.
00:27:14
Glennon
That's been, that's been semi, that's been semi-final to me was game of the tournament.
00:27:19
killianginnity
Absolutely, but yeah, ah but yeah, but now they've had a really long break.
00:27:19
Glennon
A part outside that Austria game that we've all been harping on about, but you know.
00:27:24
Nate
They did look laggy against Frans though. They did towards the end.
00:27:30
killianginnity
Don't forget.
00:27:31
Nate
yeah
00:27:31
killianginnity
there's There's much bigger gap now than they had in the run-up to the semifinal. And the difference between England and Spain is Spain have proven they can score goals, they can score from open play, and they can do it in 90 minutes.
00:27:45
Glennon
Yeah.
00:27:45
killianginnity
England have failed to prove any of that throughout this tournament. And I just, I don't see it happening.
00:27:52
Glennon
And that was only that was only England's second win in 90 minutes this tournament.
00:27:56
killianginnity
Which is insane. They've literally failed upwards. Like, it I don't think I've ever seen a performance this bad be rewarded so highly. He's the first England men's manager to reach two European finals.
00:28:11
Glennon
And he's possibly going to be, it's the, if they do win us, he'll be the first manager to win a major tournament, not on Ingersoll.
00:28:12
killianginnity
Like...
00:28:20
Glennon
You know, it's mad.
00:28:21
killianginnity
Yeah. Like, it it is...
00:28:26
killianginnity
rewarding somebody for getting Cs and Ds. It is insane. um i just I just hope Spain will pull through. I think they've relied very much on a on lots of young players, which is not good.
00:28:40
Glennon
That goal was unbelievable boys that we have to, we have before we, before we talk about the reliance of young players, that Lamina Mal goal is goal of the tournament by a country mile.
00:28:40
killianginnity
and
00:28:48
killianginnity
What were you doing at 16?
00:28:50
Glennon
Not that, that is like, and I was 16, what are you in fourth year, probably doing some trochra fast and and he's banging them in at a Euro semi-final.
00:28:52
Nate
and
00:29:01
killianginnity
I was wearing top hats and playing with cameras.
00:29:01
Nate
in a field somewhere.
00:29:05
Nate
Like, honestly, I think Le Mans looked very tired towards the end, and even I was like, all right, there has to be some sort of, like, work law here where we've got to get them off. Like, it was getting a bit like, come on, like, come on, and Le Mans, take your man off, like,
00:29:22
killianginnity
Yeah, he's 16. Mind him.
00:29:24
Nate
ah it's sad oh like Why is he keeping him on that long?
00:29:27
Glennon
I will I tell you what when I saw Rodry pulling up with a what look like a hammy or a groin or something I thought oh this isn't looking great and then then the security guard decide to slide tackle over a morata at the end of the game I do we know if he's got actually injured off the back of that because he was hobbling pretty bad.
00:29:42
Nate
I think he's alright. Don't you think we're scared?
00:29:47
killianginnity
If he was actually injured, I would be calling conspiracy.
00:29:50
Nate
The only thing that scares me though is like, lads, you know I'm a big fan of Coby Maino, yeah?
00:29:55
killianginnity
Hmm.
00:29:55
Nate
The only game Roger's lost since the last 86 has been against Coby Maino in midfield and it could be two out of two.
00:30:03
Glennon
I will say watching Coby Maynaud, ever since you've pointed out that he doesn't look at his feet, it is absolutely incredible to watch.
00:30:03
killianginnity
I eat.
00:30:09
Nate
It's scary. The part's clear to it. like It's the most bizarre thing ever. But yeah, it adds up.
00:30:16
killianginnity
on Unfortunately for Kobe Manu, I think Garrett Southgate is enough of a horcrux to drag anybody down, no matter how good or how talented or how little they look at their own feet. like I just don't think i don't i don't think this England side has enough. I think for Kobe Manu, this whole tournament has been amazing. I think it's been perfect for him. It's been a really, really great breeding ground for him to be able to develop himself as an England international. Um, and to be honest, I hope even for English, if anybody wants to see England develop, I hope they lose so because that this tournament should encourage the next manager to come in to
Youth Talent Management: Spain vs England
00:30:54
killianginnity
play football.
00:30:54
killianginnity
Cause that'd be nice to see good players play good football instead of whatever this under eight manager is doing.
00:30:55
Nate
Yeah.
00:31:01
Nate
Thanks.
00:31:03
killianginnity
Like it's insane.
00:31:03
Glennon
going back to Going back to what you were saying, speaking of under-8s, you were saying about Spain's reliance on on young players. I do think as as much as this tournament has been somewhat disappointing, I do think it has has been one of the best tournaments for emerging young talent across the board. You know, and and and that's not only, you know what? I mean, you know, obviously he's leading the front on that, but cold Palmer, you got Kobe May new, you got like Foden. I mean, he's at this point, he's well established.
00:31:34
Glennon
He's three, five premier leagues or something at 24, but he's still.
00:31:36
killianginnity
Foden's the new Lingard. Foden has three kids. He's not a boy anymore.
00:31:41
Glennon
Yeah.
00:31:42
killianginnity
like like he Let's discount him from the youth talk anymore. No, but you you are right. like there's a lot Lots of players have kind of cemented their status at this tournament and it's it's been great it's been great to see. And there is that kind of little i issue with Pedri getting yet another injury, um which, again, kind of goes back to Nate's point with Yamal.
00:31:59
Glennon
Yeah.
00:32:03
killianginnity
Like, hopefully they they actually mind him where they didn't Pedri, and like, nobody should be playing 90 games at at that age. and I think that's how you end up with the likes of Rooney and Michael Owen finished at 30. But I think if he's lifting that trophy the day after he turns 17, I don't think hell he or anybody else would be complaining. and um
00:32:27
Nate
I'm, I'm personally not ready to get on DML hype yet. Now I made it, I made it to eat that contradicting it, but I think it can go hand in hand together.
00:32:33
Glennon
Oh!
00:32:40
Nate
I said during that match, I said, your mouth's the type of player the football needs right now in terms of young, exciting attacker coming up after your Ronaldo, your Messi's. And to be honest, Mbappe has been a bit lackluster, but
00:32:53
killianginnity
Yeah.
00:32:56
Nate
Lads, we had a Gavi before, we had a Pedri before. I think he needs to get through the next two or three years where people aren't trying to burn this guy out because
00:33:02
killianginnity
Yeah.
00:33:06
Nate
This is the danger with Spanish football, and it hasn't happened in other football, from what I can see. I feel like, although the Premier League players play a lot of football as well, it seems to be more managed. I don't know if it's more managed or there's less expectation, but these lads are getting run into the ground in Spain, like Gavi and Pedji. These were the boys, the last two tournaments, you know what I mean?
00:33:31
killianginnity
But it's, I don't think it's a Spain thing because I think Madrid have protected their young players. Well, I think it's the Barcelona thing. I think this is Barcelona searching for the next Messi. I think they are so desperate to find the next cash cow that they can rely on that they're, they're just running these poor young lads into the ground and they're going to in the long run, ruin it for themselves. I was gonna say.
00:33:55
Glennon
I think, you I think, I think you're right. Because if you look at Madrid, they've got Artagooler and like, is he in the same position? Absolutely not. And now I look that it could just be physiology between the two players, but I don't, I don't think it is.
00:34:08
killianginnity
But it not it's no, like when you look at the amount of young talent Madrid has kind of brought through in the last couple of years, like look what they did with Odegaard. When everybody's expecting 15-year-old Odegaard to go straight into their first team, what did they do?
00:34:19
Glennon
Yeah.
00:34:19
killianginnity
Pull him to Castilla, put him out on loan, made him earn his stripes.
00:34:23
Glennon
I'm looking at him now.
00:34:24
killianginnity
Yeah, look what look what they did with Endrick. They kept him in the Brazilian League. Obviously, they have to. But like what are they going to do with him? They'll introduce him. Look how long it took them to introduce property, Vinicius Jr. like He was on the fringes for a good while and then brought him in. The difference between Barcelona and Real Madrid is Real Madrid have a plan. Barcelona are so poor, they are just trying to get the next player to that they can advertise. so that they can just make sure the next financial year like it's it's it's a worry not just for the fans but I think for the Spanish Federation and because they will end up being victims of this in a couple of years time international football is played and on the long finger and when the likes of a Pedri or a Yamal or Gavi or whoever it may be um
00:35:19
killianginnity
like when they're turning 28, 29, 30, 31 and they're actually not able to keep up anymore. It's like when you see all these young young ones going around getting fillers in their face ah at 19 and then they're 24 and they look about 40. It's the football equivalent of that. um
00:35:36
Glennon
I don't think you're wrong, man. I can, I do think it's, it's mental to me though, that like the Barcelona of yesteryear that seemed to be trucking along as stable as any football club in the world are now in this position where they're, they're full on hand to mouth, you know, like they are living by the day.
00:35:58
killianginnity
while they were like living off the the plan, they didn't realize that they had to make the next plan.
00:36:06
Glennon
Yeah.
00:36:06
killianginnity
And then by the time they realized, oh crap, they had a 35-year-old chavvie on his way to El Saad. They had Iniesta on his way over to
00:36:17
Glennon
Vistlecoby.
00:36:18
killianginnity
Yeah, and then he then he went out to Emirates, I think.
00:36:21
Glennon
Yeah.
00:36:22
killianginnity
am Like, they were so late to reacting, and not realising that actually what was in place for the previous 10 years had been in place for the 10 years before that as well. Like, that when Pep Guardiola was playing, they already were starting to get 16-year-old Shavi and Inna Yester in and around the team, not playing, just in and around the team getting ready.
00:36:44
Glennon
Doing the Madrid thing, yeah.
00:36:47
killianginnity
When Ronaldinho left Barcelona, he was still at ah pretty much the peak of his powers as it would turn out to be. um But they had Messi for the previous year coming into the team. And then had to do them playing alongside each other and then Messi took over when Ronaldinho was gone. That is what football clubs are supposed to do. If you're a business, you don't wait until the manager leaves to have somebody ready to step up. You always have the next one ready to go.
00:37:15
Glennon
Do you think it's a case that, you know. Being the chairman or CEO or whatever the role is across any league at any club is obviously a difficult job. But I think being, say, the president of Barcelona is so highly political, it's arguably a prime minister prime minister position. I don't think that's helped the situation because anyone who's trying to get elected into that role has to promise the sun, moon, and stars. They get in on that. They know if they don't get that, they get turfed out. So I think that's what causes this.
00:37:47
killianginnity
Oh, absolutely. so it's It's definitely a contributing factor. Like, you do not get a Alex Ferguson reign in the Spanish system.
00:37:55
Glennon
It's never happened.
00:37:57
killianginnity
I don't know about never, but definitely not in not not in our memory anyway.
00:37:58
Glennon
well yeah ne not never Never in the context of 20 years, you know.
00:38:04
killianginnity
no No, and not that the football was invented by the Premier League. But like it's and that's just it's it's just part and parcel of it. Like there's a lot of things to lower it. The Spanish system for um this isn't one of them. And I think their national team is also going to ah suffer at the hands of us. and but hopefully not this weekend. Hopefully they'll they'll reap the reward of this and they can worry about trying to fix it later on.
00:38:32
Nate
Hm.
00:38:36
Glennon
Do you think, ah do you think going into this final, it'll be same teams from both sides that have kind of played the tournament or do you think there'll be any changes because, you know, we talked a lot on this part about Harry Kane being a traffic cone.
00:38:50
killianginnity
no
00:38:50
Glennon
And I think, not that he got exposed, I don't, it's not like he's fallen off a cliff, and but You know, we, we really saw when Watkins came on the difference and it's, it's like we said on earlier in the week, you know, it's a, it's a case of Kane does not drop in behind, which then gives the midfielders more area to play in and get the balls in. And as soon as they did that, that is where the goal came from. Now, none of us wanted that goal, but that was good build-up play. Cole Palmer did very well, but if you're Garrett Soke, do you have the stones to drop Harry Kane? What are you thinking?
00:39:25
Nate
he He needs to, in my opinion. like He won't because favouritism obviously, but I think he definitely needs to drop him just because the impact he had off the bench was like exactly what England needs. like But we'll have we have the typical old favouritism where I don't think he will end up going with that, but we'll have to see.
00:39:48
Glennon
I don't know about you killing though. Do you think it's a case of, are we looking at this slide? You had rose tinted glasses and the fact that is Ali Watkins a 90 minute manner and impacts up.
00:40:00
killianginnity
um
00:40:03
killianginnity
i don't I don't think it matters but whether he is or not. I don't i don't think Sam Gate will put him in. I don't think he has the balls to do it fundamentally. um like When it comes to to the teams that are going to be put out there, Danny Carverhout is back for Spain, um which I think is going to be good for them because they're not going to be reliant on 38-year-old Jesus Navas, which means you're going to have a top level wingback going against these wingers that they're they're playing that aren't in great form.
00:40:34
Glennon
Mm.
00:40:35
killianginnity
Palmer Foden and Saka. Saka has been good am But not at the peak of his powers, as he was at the beginning of the tournament. I think he's kind of, as England have gotten further and played worse, so has he. And then having something like Carvajal will kind of disrupt that a little bit more. Apparently Morata will play. um i do I have no faith in Southgate doing anything interesting. and So it probably will be practically an unchanged squad.
00:41:04
Glennon
Chinky sticks with three at the back.
00:41:04
killianginnity
and
00:41:07
killianginnity
probably. um More so because that's what worked for the last game. Do you ever go on a really bad spell in football manager and you just kind of go you try every formation and suddenly one of them hits and you're like, oh, I'm just going to ride this wave up until it until it doesn't work.
00:41:23
Glennon
The lucky underpants, yeah.
00:41:24
killianginnity
yeah That has been Southgate this whole tournament. There has been no tactical brilliance. There has been no tactical mediocrity. It has been triad.
00:41:37
Glennon
I will say we rinsed him for his inability to be proactive um in his substitutions.
00:41:37
killianginnity
and he's gotten
00:41:44
Glennon
And as bad as England played in that game, I do think his, you know, he arguably could have brought on Watkins and Palmer earlier, but I do think his substitutions all and are probably the best time he's done all tournament. i don't I don't know about you boys.
00:41:58
killianginnity
Oh, yeah. Yeah. But any gammon in any weatherspoons across England would have told said you should make themselves like it it took them until the semi final to make some good substitutions.
00:42:05
Glennon
It was obvious. Yeah. Yeah.
00:42:11
killianginnity
Like that cannot be and underestimated. Like we have to look at this as well as this is a final. There's going to be a lot of pressure. I don't think he makes the big calls on the pressure and Yeah, i just i I really, really hope they lose. They're going to be so insufferable if they win. It's going to be so grim. um
00:42:37
Glennon
Well I think speaking of gotta go, I think boys we gotta to go too. I have to say, for everyone who's followed us on social media, for everyone who's been listening and for for everyone new to the show, welcome and thank you. and We hope you've enjoyed our coverage of the Euros throughout. and ah Here's hoping everyone that the apocalypse doesn't happen this Sunday. ah My thanks to Nate and Killian for joining this week. As always, we'll be back with you next week and we will pray that we have as good a news as we go with the Art of Manager. Let's hope that it's even better with Spain. Bye bye.
00:43:15
killianginnity
Bye!
00:43:38
Glennon
you