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The Ackley House & Kasa-obake
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On this week's episode, you might not want to stay in the house because its haunted...but you might not want to go outside with your ghost umbrella either!
First, Lauren explores the Ackley House - a spooky mansion just ten minutes away from Sleepy Hollow in Nyack, New York. This historic Victorian home is famous for being America's first legally haunted house! But what led to it being part of a court trial known as "The Ghostbusters Ruling?"
Next, Felicia opens up on the Kasa-Obake - a mythical Muppet-like ghost creature from Japanese folklore that might be our cutest albeit weirdest topic yet! We don't want to give too much away but since it's the day after Rihanna's possessed Super Bowl Halftime performance, let's just say, "You can stand under our Kasa-obake, ake, ake, eh, eh, eh."
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Transcript
Introduction to Sinister Sisters Podcast
00:00:12
Speaker
Welcome to the Sinister Sisters podcast. I'm Lauren. I'm Felicia. We're best friends. And we like spooky stuff. Yes. I just realized I'm like, do I even have a recommendation? But I think I do. I can start if you think or you go first.
Lauren's White Lotus Obsession
00:00:30
Speaker
I'm going to go and say it. Last night, I finished season two of White Lotus.
00:00:37
Speaker
Yes. Oh my gosh, we didn't talk about this. So, I mean, I'm so obsessed. Travis and I, like, we, so yeah, we've been watching it over the last like few weeks, like both seasons.
00:00:50
Speaker
And we just are obsessed with it. And Jennifer Coolidge, obviously. I know everybody already knows, I know I'm last in line to be on the white lotus train, but it's so good. The music, the tone, the humor, it's just such a wild experience. It really is. And it's so specific. There's really nothing else like it.
00:01:15
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I really thought that the gay guys were going to sacrifice Jennifer Kula as just some sort of God or something. And unfortunately, that wasn't what happened. But what does happen is still pretty wild and spectacular. So oh my gosh, truly. And the first season, I feel like it's just so good. It's like so yeah. Oh my God. So unsettling. Which one did you like more? I don't know. I think I
00:01:45
Speaker
I honestly, it took me a little bit to get into season two because I thought it was pretty different from season one. Yeah, for sure. There's obviously things that are similar, but I think I ultimately came out really liking both of them for different reasons. I thought Aubrey Plaza was so amazing in the second season. Oh my gosh. She's so amazing. She's so amazing. And doing something so different.
00:02:08
Speaker
Yeah. For her. Absolutely. I feel. I mean that was one of my favorite things was those two couples and just being like not being able to tell like who was worse. Yes. Yes. It was so amazing. It really is like the best show for watching like
00:02:28
Speaker
you know, kind of terrible people and still finding all parts of them likable or, you know, all of that. Oh my God. Yeah. It's so good. And I love, I love Murray Bartlett. And the first one, the like hotel manager, I think is so good in season one. Incredible. Incredible. I don't know. I just saw the show. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. What's tracking this whole I'm tracking career.
00:02:53
Speaker
Yeah, that's funny. I guess I'll do. I was going to say save this for next episode, but I'll say it now because we're talking about Murray Bartlett.
Felicia's Recommendations: Last of Us & Stutz
00:03:01
Speaker
Have you started watching Last of Us yet? No, but I see people keep talking about it. I actually think it'd be a really good show for you and Travis. It's not so scary. I think he could handle it. And it's a lot of character stuff and interesting. That one's HBO2, right?
00:03:22
Speaker
It's zombies. It's zombies sort of. It's like a fungus that takes over people. It's kind of COVID-y a little, but if COVID was a disease that grew in you and turned you into a crazy thing that wants to attach to other people.
00:03:42
Speaker
behind you Rufus just stood up like rose into the screen and was like hello like a little muskrat and then did us turn around and lay down that was very so chill back there yeah
00:04:01
Speaker
I love it. But Murray Bartlett does come into Last of Us. He has this incredible one episode with Nick Offerman. And I won't say any spoilers, but it's really amazing to see both of them in it. And it's just cool. It's very video game-y, which I feel like is why Travis would like it. It's based on a video game. It really watches kind of like a video game.
00:04:24
Speaker
Highly recommend. Yeah. And then my other recommendation for this week, I was going to say, have you seen Stutz yet?
00:04:33
Speaker
No, what is that? It's Jonah Hill interviewing his therapist in like a documentary style. Yeah, I saw like a poster for it or something, but yeah. Is it good? Is it weird? Super interesting. I just love therapy stuff, personal growth, like all that. Hi, you know, I'm on that train, so.
00:04:55
Speaker
I really enjoyed it. And I thought it was interesting to like, you know, it's one of it very much is one of those things where it's like he Jonah Hill is like, you know so much about me. But like, I want to interview you and focus on you. And it's really interesting. Wow. So that's wild. And he does this thing. His therapist does this thing where he like simplifies these super complex ideas into like stick figure drawings.
00:05:19
Speaker
And I found it so amazing and helpful. I would like to see that. I like to see that. Okay. Is that on Netflix? It's Netflix. I don't do great with like lofty, you know, woo woo kind of things. She needs the literal. Yeah. I'm like, sure. I want to get better. Tell me out. A, B, C, D, E. Yes. Some nice steps that I can check off a list so I can have better mental health would be good. Exactly. Exactly.
00:05:49
Speaker
So those are my two for this week. Are you good if I jump in? Yeah, go for it. Amazing.
The Haunted House in Nyack, NY
00:05:57
Speaker
So this week I am covering the first legally haunted house in the United States. So basically like the courts ruled it is haunted.
00:06:09
Speaker
which I didn't even really know was a thing or I hadn't really thought about haunted houses really coming into the courtroom. I know we've definitely talked about, we've had things we've talked about in the past. What was that? The exorcism.
00:06:25
Speaker
Yeah, the exorcism. The police reports, yeah. Yes, I just think it's always so interesting when these things are so supernatural come into our very practical legal system. Yes, oh my God, totally. So this house is located about 10 minutes away from Sleepy Hollow. Oh. So it's in Nyack, New York. Yes, you could live here, Felicia, maybe.
00:06:51
Speaker
Oh, I'll put it on the list. It's located at one La Vida place and it was built back in 1890 and by all accounts is, you know, big beautiful house. It's three story Victorian made of wood paneling and has gorgeous views of the river. There's even this like small like
00:07:15
Speaker
tower, so it kind of looks sort of castle-y. There's a fenced-in pool and eight bedrooms and four and a half bathrooms, so pretty big. Stained glass windows, very fancy. There's not much that's known about early residents of the house, although it did go unoccupied for about 10 years in the 1960s.
00:07:40
Speaker
But there aren't really any, like, there weren't any publicized murders or kind of crazy tragedies or anything like that. But the rumors of the place being haunted started in the mid 1970s in a Reader's Digest article called Our Haunted House on the Hudson, which was written by Helen Ackley, who owned the house with her husband and her children.
00:08:07
Speaker
And in the article, they talk about both parents experiencing the paranormal. Her husband, George, saw a pair of disembodied moccasin-clad feet walk by him. I'm like, are we talking like a Native American feet or just like an old man? I'm not sure. Also, like, are the feet in the shoes or was it just the shoes? It seems to be feet in the shoes, but nothing above the feet.
00:08:37
Speaker
Interesting. Wow. What an image. Just little moccasin feet walking across, but he saw them walk by him from the hallway above the staircase he was standing while Helen talks about seeing a man in colonial or revolutionary war clothing while she was repainting the entryway.
00:09:02
Speaker
So some other things, their daughter, Cynthia, who was in high school at the time, claims that she was awakened every night by something shaking her bed until she would say to the room, please stop and please let me sleep. And then it would stop.
00:09:18
Speaker
Wow, that's very polite. Yes. I was like, I guess that's what we should all try, right? But the most interesting part kind of about the whole article to me is that they seem to really enjoy the ghosts or just felt like they were friendly and kind of consider them like part of the house, part of the family, not this like scary presence to go away.
00:09:40
Speaker
And the only other kind of, you know, this house being haunted sort of thing. So before the Achilles moved in.
00:09:50
Speaker
Helen says that neighborhood children, kind of playing in the neighborhood, just walked up to her and said, lady, you know you just bought a haunted house, right? And they first arrived. So seems like some things were happening. Seems like it was all kind of in good fun. And moving forward to 1989. So this was about 25 years after they moved in.
00:10:14
Speaker
15 years after the article was printed, the family was ready to move on downsize. So they listed the house with Richard Ellis of Ellis Realty for slightly under $800,000. So maybe, I don't know what your budget is, Felicia, but just keep that in mind. Honestly, $800,000 for an eight-bedroom house, that's like a mansion. That doesn't sound
00:10:38
Speaker
terrible, but I mean, I don't have that money right now, but I'm just saying, if somebody does. Not awful. This was in 1989, I guess, so maybe- Okay. I was going to say, today's Zillow would never.
00:10:51
Speaker
It really is crazy out there. Anyway, a young couple named Jeffrey and Patricia Stimbowski were interested in the house. According to the realtor and Cynthia, the daughter, Helen did, the mom did mention that the house was haunted to them in a few passing conversations.
00:11:13
Speaker
The realtor remembers that Helen was refusing to sign the contract until she spoke to this couple about it. So supposedly they told them, but the Stimbovskis, this couple, claimed that they found out about the local rumors through a contractor and that they wouldn't have known that the house was haunted otherwise. And so because kind of all of this
00:11:40
Speaker
wasn't really correctly documented. She didn't say like, I told them on a paper. We'll never really know like what the truth is about that. Like if they warned them, if they didn't. But regardless, Helen was notified that the couple wanted to pull out after she had already received the down payment and they filed an action against them for not disclosing that there were ghosts in the home.
00:12:08
Speaker
So the couple argued that it seems like basically they found that Reader Digest article and thought, you know, this is a much bigger deal than anyone made it out to us. So they said that the stories, the rumors, this Reader's Digest article all devalued the property.
00:12:29
Speaker
which is kind of an interesting argument. If they ever went to sell the house again, they wouldn't have gotten as good a rate because the house was haunted. The court initially just dismissed this complaint and said that Helen did not have a duty to disclose that the house was haunted. I guess that's not one of the things that you have to disclose.
00:12:53
Speaker
And so this is like just getting into a little bit of the legal side of things. So this is specific to New York State. So New York State, this is also good for you to know, operates under caveat emptor. Like that's the Latin or, you know, whatever version, but it's basically buyer beware, which basically means that it's the buyer's responsibility to ask a bunch of questions, do their due diligence before they purchase and like say what they have concerns about.
00:13:22
Speaker
So in the initial ruling, the judge explained that there are already enough roadblocks and, you know, cooks in the kitchen and home ownership. So adding like a clairvoyant to the list is not necessary. Seems like he thought it was, I don't know, humorous. I feel like I'm on that team probably. Yeah, I kind of agree. But then I'm like, I don't know. Like if you were moving into, I don't know, like the Amityville house, like would you want to know?
00:13:54
Speaker
I guess if it was the Amityville House, I would want to know. Right? But I guess there were murders. That's different. Yeah. Yeah. But this couple was not happy. And so they appealed the decision and it eventually got the case to the New York State Supreme Court.
00:14:11
Speaker
So Jeffrey, this is kind of just like a sad little part of it, but Jeffrey Simbowski, who's like the young couple guy, he's always said that he doesn't believe in ghosts. And he just feels like, you know, that those rumors could dissuade people from buying it or like he was just worried about not getting his money's worth. And then he thinks that, you know, people who do believe in ghosts can impact all of that. But at the New York State Supreme Court level,
00:14:37
Speaker
Justice Rubin disagreed with the former dismissal and was joined by two other judges to form the majority opinion.
00:14:46
Speaker
that the caveat of buyer beware should be set aside in this context because the defect isn't a physical one, which I think is so interesting. They basically said that crime, reputation, all based on past occurrences in the location can devalue the market value and thus must be shared by the seller.
00:15:10
Speaker
So since Helen herself had written those articles about the paranormal activity, she couldn't really say that she didn't know or was innocent in this. And so specifically the court wrote, having reported the ghost's presence in both a national publication
00:15:28
Speaker
and the local press defendant and the local press, defendant is a stop to deny their existence. And as a matter of fact, as a matter of law, the house is haunted. So wow, this was crazy to me, right? Like basically the Supreme Court matter of law. That's so crazy.
00:15:48
Speaker
by a matter of law. So I think, obviously, she got herself into a lot of trouble by reporting, by putting out articles. I don't know if that didn't exist, if there could have been as good an argument. She could have said, we didn't experience anything paranormal, anything like that.
00:16:09
Speaker
And kind of on the bummer side, like it didn't really end up that this was like, because it feels to me like setting a new precedent, right? Like now everyone has to say that their house is haunted. It seems like, you know, historically or, you know, what we see is just like, it was kind of just a one off type of ruling. But scholars looking at it still, you know, say it's really a remarkable statement for the court to make, to acknowledge ghosts in a court ruling.
00:16:37
Speaker
And this is all, you know, that's the other part of this whole thing. And I didn't, I didn't even really think about that as, you know, I haven't really bought a house. But all of these kinds of laws have changed so much with social media, and so much being accessible online.
00:16:54
Speaker
that people just have so much more information on their hands before they buy a house or look into that. I think it probably would be more so on the buyers at this point to do your online research, which again is just so interesting to me and so different about
00:17:13
Speaker
our society now. We always talk about my grandparents had a lake house and my aunt was able to find the people who bought it and sees pictures of them at the lake house on Facebook all the time. It's crazy that we can do that now. Whoa, that's so weird. Right? What do you mean sees pictures?
00:17:33
Speaker
Oh, like, you know, she figured out who they were and now, like, knows their Facebook name. Oh, you said, see pictures, not see. Oh, yes. I was like, for a lawsuit? I see, I see. I got it. You changed the paneling. How could you? Yeah. But also, like, with haunted houses, like, I feel like there's so many, like,
00:17:52
Speaker
you know, TikTok people and YouTube people that like are obsessed with that stuff, or it's like they're talking about these houses and I would, I would not want to move into a place and then suddenly have like a lot of people coming by all the time being like, Hey, can I look in your house? Hey, can I do this? Can I take pictures of my house? I'd be like, what?
00:18:10
Speaker
So there's weird stuff like that too where I'm like, oh yeah, I would not want that. Right. And I also feel like there's so much. Yeah. And there's so much out there now that it's like, I don't even know if you could find that. Like if you just Googled your address, could you eventually find, I guess so. Yeah. Like TikToks of people in your haunted house. Yeah. Because isn't there some certain laws about like,
00:18:34
Speaker
disclosing if there has been like a murder or like a suicide in a house or something like that. I don't know if it's official, but I think it is. But I think based on like the little bit of research I did, I do think it's state to state. So I think it depends on the state a little bit. Like, I think you have to say, like, have there been any murders in New York? Interesting. Like, I think you can ask and they have to disclose it. But I don't know if they have to say like, hey, before you sign this, there have been murders.
00:19:04
Speaker
Like that, I think, is state to state. Yeah. Which is, I mean, I don't know. I always think about, though, that I'm like, yeah, do they have to tell you if anyone died? Because I feel like a lot of people have died in a lot of houses. Yes, definitely. But in my natural causes, like it doesn't have to be a gruesome death. Like, yeah, I don't know. It's interesting. So really, just to kind of wrap this up. So what became of the house after all of this craziness? It has changed hands frequently.
00:19:34
Speaker
The realtor, who I guess has worked on it a lot, says that maybe because of the energy there, maybe it has changed hands a lot. But none of the owners have reported any ghosts since then, some of which have been notable public figures, which I think is really cool. So in the late 1990s, filmmaker Adam Brooks, who co-wrote the Practical Magic screenplay, lived in it.
00:20:00
Speaker
Oh my God. That's amazing, right? Like what more could you want, right? Nothing. Than someone who worked on Practical Magic to live in this big, creepy house. And then Ingrid Michaelson lived in it. I know. What is going on? I know. She ended up selling it in 2015. So she lived there fairly recently. And at that point, the house was listed for 1.9 million. So definitely one. That sounds more what I had expected.
00:20:31
Speaker
Yes, and she like she said at some point she made a statement that she didn't blame the ghost for leaving and never mentioned anything paranormal happening there or didn't have any of those experiences. And then another resident was musician, I should probably know how to say this, Madis Yahoo, who lived there for four years until 2019. So that I think is like the most recent. I can show you this.
00:20:58
Speaker
It's M-A-T-I-S-Y-A-H-U. I didn't know them, but I don't know a lot of musicians. Oh, I know this guy. Yeah, he had some songs that were very popular when I was in high school. I love it. Yeah.
00:21:14
Speaker
What is that song? Sorry, you just took me into a different time in my life where I'm just like, what is that song I'm thinking of? Someone had put it on a mixtape for me or something. Oh my gosh, I love a mixtape. If I figure it out, I'll tell you. But shout it out. I can't think of it. Yeah.
00:21:30
Speaker
I think it's cool that all these famous people have owned it. Another interesting little tidbit just to end on a positive paranormal moment. After Helen Ackley sold the house, moved on, she did supposedly reconnect with the ghosts through a paranormal researcher and channeler, according to her son-in-law.
00:21:53
Speaker
And two of the ghosts called themselves Sir George and Margaret and complained that life wasn't much fun since the Achilles left. So they were moving on. Aww. They're like, we're good. We miss you too. Yeah. I know. I'm like, there is a part of me. I mean, we've always talked about this where it's like,
00:22:11
Speaker
I do think if there's some sort of paranormal anything, I think there's possibility of different people connecting with it or bringing it out of hiding and other people not doing that. If you don't acknowledge them, maybe they don't exist.
00:22:29
Speaker
But the son-in-law also describes on his website that he did have an encounter with the ghost when he moved in with the family before marrying their daughter. He said a presence appeared in the moonlight as a womanly figure in a soft dress sitting on the bed to check him out as marriage material.
00:22:46
Speaker
which I think is hilarious. She's like, do you have what it takes for the daughter of this house who I like? That's the story of the Ackley house. We will post pictures of this big beautiful house on our Instagram, of course, but I think it's really cool. I should have probably looked this up. I don't know if it's the only legally
00:23:11
Speaker
a legally determined haunted house, but definitely a situation of that. And I think it's so cool that the court said, yeah, this house is haunted and you should have legally reported it.
Exploring Japanese Folklore: Kasa-Obake
00:23:36
Speaker
Okay, so I have a funny little creature to talk to you about today. It is called the Casa Obaki. And it is a Japanese
00:23:49
Speaker
you know, folklore, mythical, ghost, entity, situation. But it's very, very fun and very, very cute. I love it. We never cover cute things. I know. This is a cute one. Okay, so this is, it's a creature.
00:24:07
Speaker
That is considered a, I'm going to say this probably wrong, a tsuku-mogami, which is the idea of an animate object that takes on like a spirit or a consciousness to it. Ooh. After a certain amount of time. So, Kasa Obakis are generally umbrellas.
00:24:35
Speaker
What? They're umbrellas that have been in existence so long that they've taken on consciousness and personality. And they turn into these creatures. I think the number I found is after 100 years of existence, they gain consciousness. And there are these umbrellas that they have one eye, they have a long tongue, they jump around on one leg,
00:25:02
Speaker
But they do have two arms. Is this like part of the umbrella? Like the. Yes. So like the umbrella like grows an eye and a long tongue and two arms and it's you know, handle turns into a foot.
00:25:17
Speaker
And they jump around in kind of a delightful way. Wow. I'm obsessed already. Yep. Yes. Okay. So the idea of the, oh God, Tsukomogami is as old as the 9th century.
00:25:38
Speaker
And yeah, so and once again, it's this idea of inanimate objects making it past 99 years and then taking on some sort of consciousness. And is this Beauty and the Beast somehow? Oh, why did I not think of that? Yeah, it is kind of like that. I don't know. I guess it's sort of the reverse. Those are like humans turn into objects instead of becoming humans. Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point.
00:26:08
Speaker
The Kasabaki, in particular, started out in the Edo period. Edo? Is that right? Edo? Edo? Is it ITO? It's EDO.
00:26:25
Speaker
Oh, the Edo period. Yeah, you know, and then to the Thai show period. Sorry, this is just an episode of me butchering Japanese words. And I'm just I'm so sorry about that. You're doing great. Thank you so much. So they have appeared in a lot of different legends. And they've also appeared in some like more modern day Japanese stuff such as
00:26:52
Speaker
the original like Super Mario Brothers. There is a Casa Obaki character. And it's like kind of like the old style video game. So it's like very simplistic, but you can see it. It's like got this like umbrella shape. And it's a sorry for your imagery. This is a closed umbrella, not an open. I should have said that.
00:27:16
Speaker
Good. I was matching the little arms, like part of the top. No, yes, it's a closed umbrella that is like standing upright by itself and has like an eye and a tongue.
00:27:27
Speaker
Yeah, so in Super Mario Bros. and also in some sort of Kirby game that I don't know because I don't play video games, but I like Kirby because Kirby is cute. So also appears in that as well. So the feature that I like most about the Casa Obaki is that it's not an evil creature and it doesn't seem like most of the Tsukumogamis are
00:27:51
Speaker
evil, they can be mischievous. Like, for example, they like to jump out and scare you. So like they'll hide and like you're walking by and it'll jump out and I'll be like, gotcha. And it's like, what? And then in addition to that, they have these very long tongues. And so they like to lick you. Oh, my gosh. Surprise. And just kind of like make people scared, but then laugh, which I thought was very cute. That's nice. Yeah, it's nice.
00:28:20
Speaker
They also exist in some of the manga universes and anime stuff. And they can be a character in Obaki or haunted house stories.
00:28:37
Speaker
And the last part about them, so when I think of Umbrella, I think of like Mary Poppins. And so they do, they can fly by opening up their umbrella and floating away. So they say like in Japan, if you ever see like an umbrella like going in the wind, like someone's like released and is going in the wind, it's like, oh my God, you actually caught a real life sighting of Akasa Obaki. I love that.
00:29:03
Speaker
Yeah. What weird little creatures. I know. They're so cute. I kind of wish I could just, I mean, I'll send you, I'll send you this image. This is just for Lauren. You'll see it on Instagram. Do you see it? Yes. What? Yes. It is ridiculous. It is ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:29:25
Speaker
And so I like that in Japanese culture. So there's kind of like these different tiers of spirits.
00:29:34
Speaker
These are considered a yokai spirit, which is a type of supernatural entity that means, it can mean demon or fairy or sprites, but they're not typically, once again, like, benevolent. They can be, I guess, if you make them mad, but mostly they're just like mischievous or like, don't even necessarily care about people. Wait, you meant malevolent, right? What did I say?
00:30:04
Speaker
I think you combined malevolent and benevolent. Benevolent. Yeah, that sounds right. Sorry, everybody.
00:30:17
Speaker
Yeah, and and it's also kind of this idea that there is spirits in all items, like nothing is dead, like everything is alive in its own way, which I think is actually very beautiful. Like I always think about like, you know, trees and nature being like very alive in the same way that people are alive, just like without consciousness. But in this, it's like, no, like everything has consciousness, everything has a spirit to it.
00:30:45
Speaker
Is that is that why Marie Kondo always does the like, you say thank you to the item and then maybe get rid of it? Yeah, interesting. We have like adopted that so hard in my household where Travis and I like because Travis like doesn't love throwing things away. And I'm like, I love to throw things away. And so we have this thing where we always say like, thank you goodbye. Or it's like whenever I'm like, it's time to get rid of those shoes.
00:31:12
Speaker
He goes, he looks and he goes, thank you, goodbye. And then we put them in trash. I love it. That's so good. I have trouble getting rid of stuff too. I need to do more thanking and goodbyeing. I just love it. I just love trashing stuff. It's such an addiction.
00:31:28
Speaker
But I also love buying stuff, so it's really not very good, actually. I'm very wasteful. No, you even out. Yeah, I just even it out. But yeah, I mean, there's really not much more to it. The Casa Obaki, it's an umbrella that jumps around with one eye and a long tongue. And yeah, I'm sorry, this was a very short story, Lauren. It's even shorter than I could have possibly imagined. No, I love it. There's no like, and there's no like, it's not like a bad omen, I guess, because they're so cute.
00:31:54
Speaker
No, it's just kind of like, oh yeah, that umbrella has been in the family for 100 years, so at this point it's alive. That's kind of amazing. And we can't get rid of it because it's alive. It's consciousness. It exists, so we can't just trash it. Maybe that'll be my excuse. Maybe that'll be my excuse. Maybe that'll be my excuse. I was going to say, I'll start saying that about things that I don't want to get rid of.
00:32:17
Speaker
It's actually alive. That's Bobby, and we can't get rid of Bobby. Oh, yeah. Amazing. Well, I love that. At some point, I feel like we keep, or at least in some of the Japanese ones that I've done, it's like I've dipped my toes into all of that, like Japanese spirit monsters. There's so much. It's so rich. It's kind of incredible. Yeah, absolutely.
00:32:43
Speaker
And it just is it spans so much more than like what we like what in a Western place think about as like a entity or a monster or a supernatural being. It's like it's more like part of everyday life than it is like a separation from everyday life, which is cool completely. I love it. Well, thank you for that. And thank you all for listening this week. Thank you. We hope you have a nice night. What?
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Speaker
We hope you have some sweet, sweet nightmares. Bye.