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355 — Big Meaty Dynamics
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Ty & Eric consume 2 taco salads from Deacon’s Diner and live to share the story, including the ingredient makeup, taco salad semantics, using a shell as a bowl, and what taco salads can teach us about life. They also discuss a professional marksmen’s take on the presidential assassination attempt, what keeps sandwich artists up at night, and the Boston Dynamics robo-dogs.
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Return of the 'Breadheads'
00:00:05
thinkfresh
Yee-hoo! We are so back. Breadheads, Ty and Eric back in the booth. Your favorite podcasters talking on your favorite podcast. We've got a lot of yap about today, Eric, so we should probably get right into it.
Taco Salad Adventures
00:00:20
thinkfresh
That's right, man. We left the breadheads on quite the cliffhanger, I would say. We talked about our Mexican lunches, our taco salads. Dude, that was like a week ago now, but with the breadheads probably are still unsatisfied, still craving one last bite of that story. That's right, dude. So we should probably close that up, then. Let's talk about the the taco salad we had at Deacon's Diner, now at least a week ago.
00:00:47
thinkfresh
Um, I mean, what is there to talk about? Really? It was just magnificent tie. Um, you really get what you order when you get the taco salad. Am I right? You get a taco and a salad. and You get both at once is incredible. Um, here's the cool part about taco salads. Eric is they come in that freaky taco shell bowl. And what's really cool about the bowl is that it is one of, there's only two things where you get to like eat the the cutlery, you know, like ice cream cones and taco bowls and bread bowls when they do that for the chowder, you know? Oh, yes, of course.
00:01:21
thinkfresh
so you're You're no stranger to a bread bowl. i'm right You've been to Seattle. and i mean You've been to the famous chowdery over there hidden in the one of the alleyways. The alleyways of the Pike Place Market. Yes, I'm familiar. i've a I've tried them myself. I do like to be able to eat. What's great about the bread bowl is it just soaks up all the soup. Every bite at the end is just like a bonus soup. Yeah, no, you're totally right, man. um Like my favorite bite of the footlong air is always the last bite because it's just so like bread saturated. It's not just bread. It's bread that's been simmering in sauce, marinating, if you will. Here's the thing, Ty. Eating the the plateware is quite risky. OK, with a taco bowl, if you start to chip away at the walls,
00:02:12
thinkfresh
It becomes a high-risk move, you know i mean because you could damage the structural integrity of your lunch, make the wrong break in the wall, because ah it's a chip wall. You don't know where it's going to where it's going to snap. you know Yeah. If you open that flood gate, you're in trouble. You've got salsa flooding out. That's right. You could have ah salad seeping off one side, just like Mount St. Helens did. That's a good point. And then ah you're and you're just left to pick up the pieces. That's right. Um, but it is quite nice. I would say, you know, saving the taco shell for the end is quite nice. Um, same with a bread bowl. I would probably finish
Hot Sauce and Hidden Guacamole
00:02:51
thinkfresh
the entire soup and then just eat the entire loaf of bread that it's left. Oh yeah. I agree. Yeah. A nice little like grain for dessert, you know, it's kind of like a cannoli.
00:03:01
thinkfresh
Absolutely. Let's talk about, you know, putting hot sauce on your salad. Yeah, that's the other advantage of the taco salad is that the salad dressing is just hot sauce. The only other place you can get so hot sauce as a salad dressing is you you guessed it, subway. Oh, shit. Damn, I didn't even think about that. Yeah, right. Yeah, dude. um Hot sauce as the dressing is kind of a wild move. It's the only hot. It's the only dressing, actually, that I would kind of like look when I pour because you need to make sure you're not getting too much of that stuff. Like, I'll be honest with any other dressing, I'm going full cup. You know, I'm not watching my weight. I'm not counting calories. I'm going full send. Completely agree. Hot sauce. You got to play it a little bit safer. You don't want to ruin your lunch and your dinner.
00:03:45
thinkfresh
it's a tough one because you're either having your your arugula dry or you're burning up in the tongue. So there's a fine line there. It's really easy to cross the threshold either way. Yeah, no, totally agree. But that wasn't the only liquid at play. You can count the, well, I don't know if it's liquid technically, but the cream, sour cream, there was also some guac kind of hidden tucked away underneath some veggies. That was a nice play as well. I felt really good when I discovered the guac because I didn't pay extra for it. It just worked its way in there. Yeah. Do you think the taco bowl is an appropriate name for this dish or is it more of a nacho bowl?
00:04:29
thinkfresh
um Okay, what's the difference? Well, let's talk about it. I think it's a nachos tie Come with sour cream on the side guac on the side Potentially a little salsa action, which I also believe was part of this. Yeah, maybe you know more salsa fresca way um And then you got chips that you can kind of dip and play with you know You don't have like a taco that kind of like pulls the whole thing together, you eat with your hands. You don't you don't take a bite of the bowl, you you break the bowl, and then you got a taco chip, or a nacho chip, excuse me. me Okay, everything you're saying is you're spitting facts, but I still don't know if this is a nacho bowl. And the reason for the problem is because there's with a nacho bowl, I feel like the primary ingredient making up the bowl should be a chip.
00:05:22
thinkfresh
And in this case, the chip made up the container because it was served in a chip bowl. It was a chip bowl, but it wasn't a bowl
Taco vs. Nacho Bowl Debate
00:05:29
thinkfresh
of chips. But you could say that when you get nachos, the chips are also the container because it's containing all the toppings. But if you get like a surmount, yeah, I guess so. It's just the it's just a convex version of the concave taco. Well, that's a good point. It's just upside down. If you were to have a taco upside down and you built it on top of that, are those nachos now? I actually kind of think the taco bowl, when the tortilla shell makes up the bowl, you're just eating like a giant taco. It's not a nacho at that point because you could theoretically pick it up like a taco and eat it like a single hard shell taco. That would be a sick move actually. It would be really cool. Just pick it up and eat it with your hands. Just throw in your face in there. Get right in there. Wow.
00:06:13
thinkfresh
This thing also came with two or three large slices of cucumber. Probably the thickest slices of cucumber I've ever seen in my life. It was a bit of a freaky ad. I didn't think it needed that. I liked having it, but... I mean, that's the gentrification that we got today, you know? Mm-hmm. Slices of cuke. They're taking a page out of Subway's books. They know that the cucumber is a filler vegetable and why not offer it if you can? Mm-hmm. There's an art to cutting, slicing cucumber to maximize its presentation though. If you cut a cucumber at a really strong angle, your slices look really, really big. So you can offer less of them. And I feel like Subway doesn't do that. Subway goes straight down. You know, they're creating the perfect, ah the perfect, I guess, like coin, cucumber coin.
00:06:58
thinkfresh
um I think that that is less efficient for what they're doing because it takes longer to put them on the bread and You have ah like more variables to manage if you go sideways You always have kind of the same length of cucumber so you can slice it to fit the six inch or 12 inch distance Okay, so what's going on here? Why are they doing rings? or discs, I guess the yeah the Q could ease I don't know, Ty. I think it's just sheer incompetence. I think it's sheer incompetence, dude. It seems so obvious, dude. It's so obvious. Cut it at an angle. So, okay. Can that same logic be applied to the sandwich itself? Like, what if you cut it down the center on an angle? Do you create two halves that look like they're more than six inches? Oh, for sure. I do this all the time at home as a little psychological trick. um If you cut that. Sliced-flation, I call it. Yeah. If you can if you can clip that foot long at like a 45,
00:07:55
thinkfresh
And then you get two really good opener bites, which is like that pointy corner. Yeah, dude. Dude, it's just designed to go in the mouth. You don't have to think about it. You know what bites, what size going in first. Hell yeah.
The Perfect First Bite
00:08:06
thinkfresh
Dude, I could go for a six inch right now. I know what's also good about that 45er is it gets extra toasted because you got like more surface area on a or like cut like more surface area being toasted. more More more bread with airflow coming through it warm air from the toaster. That is absolutely correct. I do. It's such a strong opening bite. And like if you have more surface area, you could argue that's a bigger sandwich. Wow. Wow.
00:08:37
thinkfresh
But you're right, man, designing that perfect first bite for yourself is important. Mm hmm. I wish we had more control over that with the sandwich artist. If you could designate the first bite exclusion zone and either the sandwich artists like announces that they are now applying meat and veggies to that section and you can work with them to kind of set it up or just ah they they make it clear that this is where we're going to apply more tender, loving care. Yeah, dude, the meat folds. Exactly. Getting in the folds. I have one more question for you regarding our lunch today. Taco Bowl was the name of the dish, right? You're still hung up on the vernacular. Was it a taco bowl or a taco salad? Can you remind me? I thought it was a taco salad. Was it a taco bowl?
00:09:30
thinkfresh
If it was a taco salad, I have no gripes with it because I was gonna say there wasn't enough substance for it to be a taco bowl. If it's gonna be a bowl, it needs rice. That would be the differentiator, in my my opinion. Yeah, I'd agree with that. I'm pulling up the menu right now as we speak to verify.
00:09:54
thinkfresh
The hell is the salads?
00:09:59
thinkfresh
Bear with us, redheads. It's pretty hard to read. My stupid it breakfast,
Metaphors and Structure
00:10:05
thinkfresh
scrambles, bennies, hash, add-ons, soups and salad, taco salad. Okay. thank Oh, thank the Lord. Thank the Lord. And it's Southern. Throwback to our last episode. what What makes it Southern Thai, do you know? The Southwest dressing, which I don't remember eating at all. I regret not getting the fried chicken, I'll be honest. That would have been a cool ad. Yeah, it's a $6 add on, but I think it's well worth it. hu Plus you need the protein. You've had a hard day. Yeah, I'm fucking starving. That's the only reason why I want a Subway sandwich now. It's because I skimped earlier. Yeah, that's fair. yeah your Your diet's too fibrous right now. You need to clog yourself up a little bit. you know I even had a probiotic drink this morning. No way. Oh man, dude, your gut must be just...
00:10:49
thinkfresh
like hygienically. It's a kamikaze in there right now. Oh, no. Someone get me out of this recording booth. Just kidding. I think the chip itself is the chip bowl is enough, you know, enough of a sludge to kind of hold it all together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do like a little bit of clog with my greens. Like Subway is good for that because you get all these like veggies and slushy sauces, but then a nice big hunk of bread to just kind of clog up the arteries and keep things from moving through the system too quickly. I totally agree. Um, let's talk about the bowl some more. Sure. it wasn't It wasn't a standard kind of like tortilla kipasa chip that was molded to be a bowl. It was almost like,
00:11:36
thinkfresh
Like a pita bread. Like, you know what? When you get pita chips, is that's kind of what it was like today, but it was more like, it was much thinner. So it was nice to bite on. It's actually quite, uh, had quite quite nice integrity to it because it was soft and flaky, but it also maintained structural integrity throughout the entire meal. I don't know how they pulled that off. It was, it's a really well done taco bowl. Yeah, no, I totally agree. Absolutely well done. And I would also add to just to wrap things up, wrap this burrito up. Yeah, I would say that, you know,
Sports and Skills
00:12:11
thinkfresh
the Taco Bowl is a bit of a reflection of our reality, don't you think? No, like society in the sense that you mess too much with the entire outer structure, you can kind of ruin your meal, you know, with every bite.
00:12:26
thinkfresh
you damage the surface floor of this taco bowl and take too many fork jabs and everything around you will start crumbling, you know? It's time to be grateful for what we have. Yeah, I guess so. And maybe don't eat the taco too quickly. That's right. Take it slow. You only got one bowl in this life. Yeah. You're a bowler. I'm not a bowler. I'm a bad bowler. Well, actually, no, I'm pretty good at bowling. I wish I wasn't. Being good at bullying is such a... Dude, it's such an ick.
00:13:00
thinkfresh
Would you say you're better at five pin or 10 pin? five This says a lot. Okay, so I'm... Answer carefully. Yeah. Um, I'm better at five pin. I'm just going to be honest with the bread heads, but only because I have incredible dexterity and five pin rewards that 10 pin bowling rewards strength. I have strength too, but I don't have the dexterity. Like my, my, my, my dexterity level is higher than my strength level. If that makes sense. Okay. I see. So you're more of a.
00:13:36
thinkfresh
like an archer than a... A bruiser? Yeah. Exactly. it's like It's like a tennis, you know, when you and I play tennis, you're firing them to the back of the court and then I'm just making you run around. You're you're surgically placing them all around the court, making me run from one corner to the other at the most inopportune times. Precisely. Precisely precision each ball. Now imagine you were amongst four of your four pins. You're the fifth pin.
00:14:07
thinkfresh
I'd be scared for my life. Yeah, you better watch out because I'm I'm going to ace you. That's right. If you managed to get on top of a roof in Pennsylvania, you wouldn't miss. Let's just say that. um I got I got some aim. Yeah. As you talk to a ah professional marksman like a day after the the Trump assassination just by happenstance. You didn't phone him up. You're like, I got to talk to my marksman friend about this. No, I actually met him this day. um Turns out it's a like a second cousin. Oh, cool. Something on, on my partner's side. And, um, they traveled the world with their gun and they like compete in like shooting competitions all around. There's like a pistol one they do and also whoa like a rifle and they do. So in shooting competitions, are you trying to shoot each other or are you trying to shoot, uh, like
00:14:57
thinkfresh
non-living objects. Non-living. Yeah, like yeah's not hunting. Like beer cans, targets, pictures of a clown. Down south would be a beer can for sure. a Bud Heavy, of course. Of course. um But no, this is more of like an obstacle course. For the pistol example, you'll get like kind of like the first level of Call of Duty where they like show you how to like press R1 to take a shot. where A little ah little like cardboard like soldier pops up and then you have to take it down. Basically, ah you kind of like make your way through this obstacle course. It's timed. You have a certain number of bullets.
00:15:34
thinkfresh
um It's a time trial if you miss that's like a point deducted so you got to you know reload as well shit like that Kind of cool, I thought I saw a video and I was scared for my life because these guys like actually a pro um and then there's also one where you're shooting at targets and I think distance and time matter the most for that one and Hmm. Interesting. I wonder if you have marksman credentials, you get special permissions for carrying weapons. Like, are you allowed to walk down the street with your like showing off your rifle if you're a certified marksman? I think so. they're They're from Seattle. So that's a historically blue state. They are licensed to carry. They travel with their guns all around the States. Very cool. Yeah, quite cool.
00:16:23
thinkfresh
Wow, that makes me want to go shoot a gun. And I bring this up because I asked him about the Trump shooting and he's like, oh, that's an easy shot. Really? This guy's an amateur. Yeah, this guy has no training. I would have made that shot in one second. Wow. And that that was the thing I needed to hear. Well, here's the thing is like, I don't think professional marksmen get into the sport because they actually want to shoot people. They think there's like two demographics of gun owners, people that are bad with guns that want to shoot people. and People are good with guns that don't want to shoot people. Wow. Yeah. That there's definitely a cross section there for sure. Wow. Hmm. Thank God that that's the ah breakdown. He could flip a few of those variables. We'd have a big problem. I guess it's like with great strength comes or a great. Yeah. Great strength comes great responsibility.
00:17:09
thinkfresh
great Great power comes great responsibility. Yeah. You know what I mean? If you are somebody who is a trained assassin, you know what I mean? You're going to use that skill for good. Yeah, I guess so. Or for sport, harmless sport.
Precision and Sandwiches
00:17:23
thinkfresh
I guess like the exception is the boys in blue. Skilled, skilled at shooting, shooting people. Yeah. Have you ever seen a cop shoot anyone? No, I haven't. I've seen the aftermath. Yeah, I've seen video. Yeah. See a lot of video. But it's usually like 30 rounds get fucking lit up. And then one of them is the kill shot, you know. Right. So they're not known for their marksmanship. Yeah. I mean, it's a high pressure environment. You know, you're not shooting at a cardboard or shooting at an unhoused person who is down chasing you with a needle. You know, it's I would probably miss a few shots, too. And yeah, an unarmed minority. Yeah, exactly.
00:18:07
thinkfresh
It's crazy. Yeah, dude. You're right. High pressure situation. Yeah. That's how the sandwich artist feels, and that's why they never quite get the veggies perfectly lined. Their marksmanship's bad. It's too high pressure. Do you think when sandwich artists go home and they're showering, they're like thinking about all the sandwiches they fucked up that day and like, fuck, I would have done something different had I thought about it some more, you know? Yeah, dude. PTSD is post-traumatic sandwich syndrome.
Robots in Fast Food?
00:18:32
thinkfresh
Yeah, dude. And it's this order that I fucked up. Damn.
00:18:39
thinkfresh
Uh, that's beautiful. damn Yeah, I think they do. I really do. I would have those regrets. I'd be thinking about like my banana pepper placement and whether or not they were evenly distributed. Maybe I gave a a customer a little bit too spicy of a bite. This is all assuming that they care about their job, which I don't, is the first step. And also the thing that they probably not doing, you know? Well, depends. Are they unionized? I don't think so. then they'll probably care a little bit. It's a private company. Does that matter? I don't think so. I don't think, I think you can be unionized private or public. What makes something unionizable? Unionizable. Unionizable. I believe the only quality is you just have to have a bunch of down bad employees that are easily replaceable. So minimum wage, like a whole army of minimum wage whole servants. Yeah. And they're like our power, we have power in numbers. Right. That's it.
00:19:35
thinkfresh
um Which is unfortunate because like I feel like a unionized group is also the group that's first to be replaced by like Boston Dynamics. Yeah, probably. Just complete robots taking over.
Technology and Emotional Ties
00:19:50
thinkfresh
I love to treat my sandwich artists like a Boston Dynamics robot. Dude, when I was at the Calgary Stampede, you know Boston dynamics, like robotic dog. Yeah. Yeah. yeah A little one. I kind of like, it's all yellow and. Yeah. It just wants to be pet. It just wants. Yeah. It just wants to be told it's a good, good robot. Yeah. It's definitely a like for herd animal, a pack animal. But, um, at the Calgary Stampede, I watched a pack of five of these robotic hounds who do a dance in front of an audience.
00:20:22
thinkfresh
They like lifted their legs up and spun around in unison and moved their heads back and forth. It was kind of weird. Honestly, I felt like I was in a a dystopia a little bit. i mean is it I think it's only weird because it takes the form of something we are very familiar with, which is an animal with four legs. If if it was just a blob that moves around, That wouldn't impress us, right? Like we've seen drone shows that are like boring as fuck. Yeah. Yeah. And arguably scary. Like birds are scarier than dogs, my opinion. facts So like, you know, there's something like weird about it because it's so familiar and like.
00:21:04
thinkfresh
something we love which is pets so it's the skeuomorphism that's making it creepy yeah like a drone doesn't look like anything it just looks like a mini helicopter yeah it's a good point and because of that it has no like emotive quality that yeah can make allow me to connect with it kind of like a sandwich artist yeah probably our biggest flaw as humans is our like ability to personify anything. one hundred percent I'm a victim of that daily. yeah and I just love everything so much. yeah I definitely have an emotional connection to my sandwich. I always thank it and you know say grace before I chow down.
00:21:44
thinkfresh
Well, uh, I definitely didn't, I didn't know how to form an emotional connection with these skeuomorphic robot dogs, but it didn't make me realize they didn't do anything cool, like backflips or anything, but to make me realize that the future is already here. Like that could very easily, deal the neck of that dog could very easily be the arm of a sandwich artist. what So you're saying like the dog
Farewell and Future Plans
00:22:11
thinkfresh
Boston Dina- Boston meaty dynamics will take over the job of the sandwich artist? The BMT dynamics. I think i think it's it's coming pretty soon. Dude, what a quinkity that Boston made the BMT and the fucking robot that will replace the artist. Dude, it's big meaty technology right now. Oh shit, there we go. We went, we got there. gone there
00:22:36
thinkfresh
Um, well, speaking of getting there guys, it's been honestly an honor to speak to you. And I'm so happy that we pre-recorded all these so I can go on vacation. That's right. At time of recording, Eric is actually in Croatia. That's right, dude. I will be swimming in the ocean, not thinking about you or this podcast type. And, uh, it's unfortunate, but it's the reality. and I hope you packed your water wings because you're going to need them. That's right. Redheads. Thank you very much. Ciao. Ciao!