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Episode 53: What 3 Bricklayers Can Tell Us About the Power of Mindset with Phillip Ramsey and Bryan Dewhurst
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There’s a parable we came across about the 3 bricklayers: one sees it as a dead-end job, the other sees it as a career that pays the bills, and the other can’t wait to wake up tomorrow and keep building a beautiful cathedral.
The point is, the same set of circumstances can be met with different mindsets. We want nothing less than to help people wake up and feel passionate about whatever it is they are doing. None of that happens overnight, and mindset is just the start.
In this duocast, we talk about what it takes to go from being frustrated about your day-to-day, to living out your gifts and calling that God has given you. We’ve lived it ourselves, and we’ve helped clients at every stage of the bricklayer continuum – and it never gets old (because guess what? We’re doing what we love!)
what you will learn in this episode:- The difference between doing a job, making a living, and living your dreams
- How to take the right steps when you are in a job you hate
- How mindset impacts the move from being a bricklayer to owning a brickyard
- How to use your God-given gifts to guide your own destiny
- The problem with golden handcuffs
- Why mindset makes the same experience different for different people
- How to build wealth in multiple ways out of your passion and integrity
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Transcript
Introduction to the Podcast
00:00:02
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Everyone dreams about living an uncommon life, but how we define that dream is very different for each of us. And for most, it's a lifelong pursuit. Welcome to the Uncommon Life Project podcast. We're going to introduce you to people who are living that life or enjoying the journey to get there. We're going to also give you some tools, tricks, and tips for starting or accelerating your own efforts to live an uncommon life.
00:00:27
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A life worth celebrating and savoring.
Meet the Hosts: Brian and Phillip
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Please welcome your hosts, Brian Dewhurst and Phillip Ramsey. Hello and welcome everybody to another episode of the Uncommon Life Project, where I'm your host, Phillip Ramsey. And I am Brian Dewhurst. I'm starting the clock right now. 25 minutes. We've got a lot. Yeah, we've got a fun topic today. It's just a dual cast between yours truly and the Brian Dewhurst. We get to talk about just mindset every day with our clients.
Understanding Client Mindsets
00:00:54
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every day we get to sit down with somebody and really try to figure out what their unique gifting is. And when we do that, then it seems like the planning process gets way more fun for every party involved. For us, for them, for sure, I can't tell you how many times we've had people cry in front of us just because tears of joy, I would say that someone actually heard them and then they have a path forward going on to the next level.
The Parable of the Bricklayers
00:01:21
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Um, and then really having tangible things to do in order to live kind of the life they want to live. So today we thought we'd talk about mindset and there is a, I'd say parable, biblical parable, but it is a great, um, I think illustration to show and prove a point that we're trying to make. So Brian, let's talk about it and then let's move on
00:01:45
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to kind of diving in each one of those and where we see it, because we see all three of these individuals. We're going to talk about a career and just brick layers. We also have, we've mentioned this in our book, but it is a great parable just to think about mindset and where you're at currently. So Brian, I'll let you walk through that. Yeah. So I think this is like wisdom concentrate. If you think of like orange concentrate, how your mom used to make orange juice.
00:02:13
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This is like wisdom concentrate. And I think we meet with a lot of people and we hear like, well, I met with this other advisor and they just weren't listening to me. And I think this illustration in a very short succinct thing of the bricklayers really puts you into one camp really quickly. So the bricklayers is a way of highlighting the same job, but the mindset that you bring to that job. Yes.
00:02:42
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And so the first brick layer is more what we would kind of classify as kind of like just a labor and the mindset that he brings that is just one of drudgery I hate this.
00:02:55
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Um, well, let's first, I want to just break down. Here's the story. Okay. A guy walks up to, uh, uh, some brick layers. They're doing a building and he walks up to the first brick layer and he's like, Hey, what are you doing? And the guy's like, I'm doing a job. What does it look like? I'm doing like, okay, great. Walks up to the second brick layer. Like, Hey, what are you doing? Making a living.
00:03:17
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Great. Walks up to the third person. He's like, Hey, what are you doing? He's like, I'm building a cathedral for God's people. It's amazing. And so those are the three mindsets as you start walking through. Now let's dive into each one of them.
Financial Advice for Drudgery Mindset
00:03:31
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Sorry to interrupt, but now that's the parable. Yeah, that's a great way to lay it out. Sorry. I went, I always go to the technical.
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We're moving on. I think that does highlight how different Brian and I are. That's a complete asset when we work with our clients. The first guy is drudgery and doesn't want to be doing this, but needs to make money and needs cash flow. It's just a job and he's not emotionally invested in it. He's not doing it out of a love or joy, but out of necessity.
00:04:10
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The difference really between I think one and two is the mindset of, yeah, this is necessary. I have to do it. But he doesn't have that level of integrity and character with the job. It's just like a paycheck. I don't care. I'm just doing this. Yeah. Um, and if, I mean, let's just think about this from like a different perspective. So let's think about the first bricklayer. We'll just call him bricklayer. Number one, um, drudgery. We're going to call him that. But I think about in the morning for him,
00:04:39
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waking up and like, what is his attitude for the rest of the day? I mean, right. Brutal. Brutal. He's not fun to be around. He's not. Yeah. And you know who these people are in your life. You know, I'm serious. I mean, one of them. And it's not to judge other people, but it's to say, you're not in a good place. Like, how do we get you to a better place? And we talk about this in the book, but then I want to look at it as, okay, now let's look at this as a very simple,
00:05:08
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you know, analogy or illustration, what is the financial advice that we should give this guy? If he's meeting with an advisor, is it to put all of your money, excess capital into a 401k or retirement plan? And especially if this guy's, you know, 18 to 22, 25, you know, we hear all the time we meet with young people and it's like, well, I met with another advisor and they want me to put all my money in a Roth IRA or, you know, in a counter instrument that like totally locks up all their money. And it's just like,
00:05:36
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you're not in a place to build wealth if you're number guy number one. Yeah, please don't do that. By the way, please don't do that. Like you should be focused on a budget and a budget and a budget and then saving your money and not going into debt and building a reserve or a capital fund, as we like to call it.
00:05:55
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so that you don't have to be stuck in this job. So good point. And I mean, I love that point because here's the deal. At the end of the day, the truth is that job is not sustainable for him. Not sustainable. It just isn't. So when it, when he hits this realization of like this job isn't sustainable, what is he going to need? Cash. Cash. Cash. He's going to have to figure out what that is and
00:06:21
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And he's going to need cash to do that. So that's why we would always advise. I shouldn't say always, but for the most part, we would advise, please don't put it in the 401k. I don't care if they're matching a hundred percent. Don't do it. It's not worth it because you've got nothing in the bank, you know, or using a credit card or, you know, those things. And so it's just like, yeah, you need to get, you know, in this day and age, we're in 2020. I mean, if you're a young person.
00:06:46
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or if you're an older person, it doesn't matter, but you want to get married, have kids, they have two cars in the garage and a house.
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I mean, you got to put 50K away. I mean, there's just no way around it. If that individual is married, has kids. I mean, that's almost even worse. Like think about the home life. Oh, yeah. It's going to be a struggle for sure. We spend a lot of time at our vocation, at our job. For this person, it's a job and a necessary evil. Like when you walk up, I'm doing a job. What's it look like I'm doing? Like, okay, great. I'm moving on.
00:07:19
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And we've met with these people and they oftentimes do know what they want to do, but the path to get there is very unclear. And so I guess our advice to that person would be budget, budget, budget, save, save, save, no credit card debt, really lock in the intentionality of that paycheck and using that to a higher purpose.
00:07:39
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and then saving the excess so that you have cash reserves to make a change. And that's either a different career, it'd be hard to advise someone to start their own business from that perspective too, because their cashflow is probably not that strong. Their reserves aren't that strong and their mindset's not there. The mindset isn't there. That I think is the biggest thing, but you're probably right on the reserve and the cashflow, you're probably right. But we've talked to even surgeons that have like, I don't know,
00:08:09
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I'm doing a job. Like, okay. All right. Like, so it's the cashflow reserves might not be the issue, but is there mindset there? It's just something to think through. And I really do like walking through, okay, what advice would we give those people? That's brilliant.
Purpose-Driven Work: The Second Bricklayer
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You talked about that. And then how can you kind of move forward? And that's why we would say, what is your number you need every month?
00:08:33
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And once you understand that and we can figure out a plan that you kind of get excited about, that you would start thinking, I'm building a cathedral. Yeah. Um, so, okay. Let's go to number two, the second bricklayer. Making a living. So this guy is doing the deal. He's doing the bricks. I would, I would view this maybe more as like, I don't know. I'm not trying to like typecast people, but maybe like a manager, like somebody who's been in it for a while, they did bricklaying.
00:09:01
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they've maybe been promoted, they're making good money, but it's a job. Like they're not like, we're changing the world here, but it's just, they're not mailing it in either where they're not doing a good job. Like they have a level of integrity and character in their job and profession that they're bringing to this, but they're not changing the world either.
00:09:22
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And so that's kind of where I just kind of feel like, you know, maybe you've plateaued at some sort of manager, you're managing a bunch of bricklayers, that type of thing. Anyway, we don't need to get too in depth in that. But I think the two major things is one, the cash flow is probably stronger than this first bricklayer. And then two, there's a level of integrity or character that they're bringing to this. And
00:09:44
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you know, professionalism. Even if the cash flow is the exact same as bricklayer number one, here's where I think is the difference. I think they're being purposeful and they've figured out a budget. They know what they need to make and they're being purposeful with the excess. That's where I think making a living people are or the bricklayers.
00:10:05
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It's like, this is kind of a means to an end for me. And the end to me isn't retirement for these people, but they might just not have talked to us yet.
00:10:17
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Yeah, I'm just kidding. But they might not have, they don't have a plan quite yet. But they do know that they're doing something that feels good to them. They might be getting out of debt, which is always never a bad answer. They might be providing for their family, their wife might stay home or whatever. Like, there is something that like, yeah, you know, somebody says, Hey, what do you do? Like, I'm a bricklayer. And
00:10:40
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I mean, it's okay. You know, it's kind of like that kind of, but it's not passionate and excited about it. And, and so what advice would we give these people? So the advice we would give the second bricklayer is, you know, I think like you made the distinction. They've got a budget. They're purposeful with their money. They've saved, you know, they probably have money in retirement plan. They probably have money in the bank. They can go on a trip or two trips, you know? And so I think it's that,
00:11:08
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distinction between, I go back to the Jumanji drum beat, and that's kind of where we'll go maybe for the third bricklayer, but is there something inside of you that you can't ignore? You know, and that's kind of the people, I guess, that we're attracting with our messages. They have that drum beat inside of them. There's something they've always wanted to do. And it's kind of to a fever pitch where they can't ignore it anymore. And they've probably plateaued in their professional career.
00:11:38
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And they've, they've plateaued really from a mindset standpoint. And they're really just not challenged in life, I would say. And they're missing that excitement. They want to do something different, but it's scary or fearful. They might even feel like this vocation that they're in is amazing and great and fine, but they're doing it for somebody else. And they feel a little bit like, maybe I can do this for myself. A lot of those people. Yep. For sure. Yeah. So whatever it is, there's something inside of you that isn't,
00:12:08
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It's just not right in your heart and you've got a you want to make a change.
00:12:14
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And you're not quite sure how to make that change. And so I think that's really where, you know, then we look at, okay, this person's probably in their mid thirties to mid forties, maybe mid fifties. They've saved money for retirement. What do you like? What would it take? What is it helping them walk through? What is it that you want to do or would do? And like you're saying, in a lot of cases, it's, it's a small pivot. It's the, you know, person running a gym.
00:12:41
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that is working for somebody else is like, I could just do this for myself, you know, I'm, I'm not getting what I was promised, those types of things. And, you know, using the way God's gifted them and the resources that they have to start a foundation to own and control their destiny from here on out, you know, I think those are the kind of shifts that we're seeing.
00:13:03
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Yep. I think these people, I just want to categorize them as the golden handcuffs. Honestly, it's not enough for them. There's not enough tension or frustration to do something big and drastic. They know if they keep mailing it in for the next 30 years, they'll be fine or 20 years or 10 years.
00:13:23
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it's the golden handcuffs. They're not going to probably make a change. There is something inside of them, and so they're going to wait until retirement to get it done. These are the people that I love working with.
00:13:35
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because at least we can be really purposeful with the dollars that they're saving to get to the where they need to go and the passion is there and they are building cathedrals. Whether or not it's in the same industry or not, even when you're working at a golden handcuffs job but you're working on your passion on the side, the excitement level of the golden handcuffs job gets really like crystal clear and you know that that paycheck is being very strategic
00:14:04
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in that working towards your passion. And your passion isn't necessarily for Brian and I, save it in a retirement account and wait till you're 59 and a half. That's not what we're saying. What we're saying is using an account or something on the side, even starting writing blogs for your food blog or for your foodiness and how you're going out to restaurants, starting something that you're getting excited about. Like there's something on the side that really is exciting.
00:14:34
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Totally. I was just reading an article the other day from a guy who made a great point. He's like, this is the best time in the history of the world to start documenting your uniqueness, your niche in the world and carve out your space on the internet because the internet lets you find the 10,000 people that are like you. And it lays the groundwork to connect you to those people, to have a base, to have an audience, to have friendships.
00:14:58
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Uh, you know, I love that idea of like, this isn't about networking. It's about actually building authentic relationships. Yeah. And when you're doing what you love, you know, you're not trying to network, you're trying to connect with people that actually share the same goals and same values and same.
00:15:13
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Passions that you do so you can experience life together and share life together. And so I thought that was really refreshing Yeah, get all this stuff of like how to increase your sales on all this stop the map Yeah, so I really do think you don't even need to know what the next step is You just need to know what you really want retirement to look like or your passion to look like what is your passion? Yeah, that's what those people you know then you talk to the people around you you surround yourself with people who can help you and
00:15:42
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work up to that and work into that. So that's what I would say for the old golden handcuffs making a living. Bricklayer number
Building a Cathedral: The Third Bricklayer's Vision
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two. Let's go to bricklayer number three. Building a cathedral. One, I just want to quickly focus on how attractive that is. As you're walking down the line of bricklayers, bricklayer number one, I'm just freaking doing a job. What does it look like?
00:16:09
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Okay, moving on. Thanks. Brick labor too. Like I'm making a living. Like tell me about your family is basically what I would ask him back. The third one is I'm making a cathedral. Now I want to sit down with this man. I want to hear about his life. I want to hear about what got him there. I want to hear about every brick that he's laying. Like what is his like, he's attractive, right? Like he's, there's something about him that you want to get to know because there's not a lot of people out there that have really found and they're getting paid for their passion.
00:16:39
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Totally. Let's just say they're all getting paid the same. That third person is getting paid exponentially because he's doing something that he feels purposeful and he's doing something for somebody else. It's really powerful. That's what I'll say about that one first. When I first heard this illustration of the bricklayers, I thought about it in two different ways. First is the way you're describing
00:17:03
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if the three guys are kind of on a line and I just like, I'm like in Venice or, you know, some, you know, city like that, it's just ornate, you know, there's just stones everywhere. It's like, how do they do this? Oh my God. Um, and I'm not good with my hands, by the way. So maybe that's should get this, but anyways, it's just all shocking to me how they did that stuff. But, um, you know, three guys on the same line, like you're saying they're each maybe similar ages.
00:17:30
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similar pay or wages, and they do have three different mindsets. And so, you know, obviously the distinction in that area is very apparent, you know, if they're at the, you know, local bar or tavern after work, and you're talking to three different ones, those three conversations are gonna be very different.
00:17:46
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You're right, you're going to gravitate to the guy, the last one, the third bricklayer who's just passionate like, I got to weigh a thousand bricks today and they were awesome. They were perfect. In three weeks, you won't even believe what we're going to see in front of you and this building's done, that type of person. Then I thought about it in the distinction of the first bricklayer is probably on the front lines building, laying the bricks. The second guy is maybe more of that.
00:18:12
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You know site manager manager type role we're seeing ten to fifteen brick layers and then the third guy is the guy with the blueprints the visionary the guy who owns the business.
00:18:22
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And he's the one that is checking at a high level on all the different aspects of the project, but doesn't ever see himself maybe retiring because this is like, why would I quit this? I get to do this for a living. I get to build cathedrals and let thousands and tens of thousands of people walk through for three to 400 years. And you see that level of craftsmanship and artisanship when you look at those buildings.
00:18:47
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And they had to have that level of passion to build stuff like that that could stay on the test of time. And so I kind of thought about it in those two distinctions. And so I think the advice for that guy, let's just say they're on the line together. That third guy that has that mindset, he's probably the protege that could take over the business from the business owner.
00:19:09
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where that doesn't go that way and he starts his own company or does something out on his own later, but he's squirreling away money and savings, not going into credit card debt. And he's super purposeful because he has a vision and a passion that drives him to inform his decisions.
Monetizing Passion
00:19:27
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Or if it is the current business owner, then it's about how does that guy build wealth? How does he co-invest in the buildings that he's building so that he gets rent?
00:19:36
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on the back end and build out multiple revenue streams, you know, as opposed to just getting paid to lay the bricks. Yeah, but he's found what he loves. And then now we need to start bolting on ways to make it more efficient. The last I shouldn't say maybe he's getting absolutely smoked with taxes. All right, let's put it in a retirement account to minimize your taxes. But other than that, like how is other ways we can bolt on other things of your business to make it more profitable?
00:20:05
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I think a great example of this is like Chip and Joanna Gaines because I mean, I think they, their passion and integrity and character come through their business so well. And now what they're able to get into, you know, it went from like, they were doing some flips and doing rental properties on the side and then, you know, doing these custom home rebuilds and then their show and then the books.
00:20:27
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and now she's got paint and linens and magazines, and I think they just got into hotels. Just think how many different ways they're able to monetize that passion, all from a point of character and integrity, doing authentic things. They haven't strayed from that, and that's what makes it work. But now, because they have doubled down on that Magnolia brand and that lifestyle, the ways they're able to monetize the different channels,
00:20:55
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and different things within their business and brand is just incredible. And I think that's what we're talking about is so much of financial planning seems so one dimensional of like, no, we need all of your money. We need all of your excess money and we're going to put it into all these different accounts that are really investing in the same thing. And that's the stock market. Yeah. And so what we're trying to say is like, if you do have that passion and if you do have the vision,
00:21:23
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to be that third bricklayer. No matter where you're at, if you're on the front line and you're just getting started, or if you're the season guy and you've been doing it for 20 years and you're starting to think about, man, I can't do this forever. What's my exit strategy with this thing? That's what we're talking about is like, how do you monetize that passion in different ways so that you can build wealth really two or three times faster than just putting all your money into the stock market? And that might be a sleep, but not the whole thing. Yeah.
00:21:51
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And so here is another avenue about this. Who would you want to be selling your bricklaying business? Bricklayer number one, two, or three. I'm telling you right now, if you had bricklayer number three selling your business, you are selling a truckload of services.
00:22:07
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because he gets to truly tell you about his passion. There is no selling involved other than I want him on my crew. Like I want you to be building my cathedral over here over like next week when you're done over here.
00:22:22
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So I'll wait. Yeah, I'll wait because it's that good. He's that passionate about it. So I think there is something about that. Hearing somebody and how passionate they are about what they're doing is so attractive. You want them to be on your team or building something for you. So there's that. Then I would also challenge that third bricklayer to be like, okay, who are you pouring into? Who poured into you?
00:22:48
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And who are you pouring into? Because you didn't just get here by waking up one morning. Yeah, somebody was intentional with you. And that passion you can now pour into somebody else. Who is that? And who are you mentoring? Who are you apprenticed? Who's your apprentice? Or who are you discipling underneath you? I think there is that component too, where you can still challenge these people to
00:23:13
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think deeper about their intentionality of where they're at and help other people get there too. So that would be kind of my challenge for that third bricklayer. I said one other too. I mean, as I look at it as we're building a company and a culture and expanding out between, you know, beyond the two of us. And you just think about an organization as that third bricklayer and that leadership component. And I think, you know, you, you see companies, um,
00:23:42
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that create an environment where those younger bricklayers or the one and two bricklayers, they're cultivating what is inside those bricklayers. It might not be the same path that we went on, but if I can help you achieve your passion and perfect space, there's value in that to me, not only professionally, but also as a colleague and as a mentor.
00:24:08
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And I think some of those companies, you know, like Google's done an amazing job of just letting people create inside of Google. And that's what a lot of their new products. Facebook actually is very similar with.
00:24:19
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their ability to branch out into other social media engines and now virtual reality and things like that. We can say whatever we want about those companies, but they had a culture that cultivated the gifts and talents of lots of people and not just saying, you need to be this type of person because this is what we value here. They saw value in lots of different people's passions and visions and create an environment where those are cultivated. I think there's just so many facets to this illustration of the bricklayers that can be
00:24:45
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flushed out from this conversation.
Career Satisfaction and Alignment
00:24:49
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But I think at the core, it just helps really distill in less than five minutes, where are you? Where are you truly? And be honest with yourself.
00:25:01
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Yeah, two things that I would say about that. Being honest with yourself when you are going into a job interview. Does this interview or does this job really reflect who I am? Do this for me and yourself. Be honest. Be honest for your future employer, for you.
00:25:18
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you want to create someplace where it is your unique gifting and that job description is me. If you have an interview for that part job, you need to because that will come off in the interview like, guys, give me a shot at this. This is what I love to do. I'll tell you about my last bricklaying opportunity. What? You're in.
00:25:36
Speaker
And so that's one thing and you got to be honest with yourself. And then where are you, right? So let's say you are number one drudgery. Think about that from your employer's perspective. Let's say you do have a complaint. Let's say you do have a frustration and you go to them and you're in that drudgery doing a job face. Like I'm not really hearing you that well.
00:25:58
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That's probably my fault, so I probably need to do something. I'm the owner, but bricklayer too, like you're making a living. Yeah, I'm going to put a little bit more weight on that. But the third person come to me, I'm like really listening now because the value that they create for my business and their expertise.
00:26:16
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I want to hear more about it. And so there's a lot to this illustration parable, I would say. And like Brian said, where are you and what is it that you're trying to achieve and who's helping you achieve those things and who's challenging you of like, where are you?
00:26:33
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Brian and I in like we don't really talk about this in our. I'd say our first meetings or second meetings. I barely ever talk about this with our clients, but we are categorizing you in these stages silently just for our our advice to you.
00:26:49
Speaker
And if you are a drudgery, our job is to try to quickly move you out of drudgery with purpose and excellence of where you're uniquely gifted. If you're in making a living, it's to gently challenge you on saying there could be more here that you could be reaching out to. There could be more people that you could be impacting. Maybe, maybe not. And if you're okay with just sitting there, that's great. But are you just kind of being complacent?
00:27:14
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And then the third brick layer, not only is attractive, but then I'm going to challenge you to start pouring into other people. I'm going to start challenging you to start being more efficient in your business. And anyway, so those are kind of the story in a nutshell. I hope it was helpful for you. It's helpful for me in my mindset. There's facets of my job every day that I'm like, man, I don't know if I love that, but to have a different mindset about it is powerful.
Advisors and Client Mindset Enhancement
00:27:42
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Yeah, for sure. And I think then the financial decisions that you're making based on which bricklayer you're at or which seat you're at in each bricklayer has different stages, right? Yep. And I think so without going any deeper, but do you have the people in your life that can give you the advice based on where you're at? And I think that's really what is important. And we meet with a lot of people that meet with advisors and it's just such a one dimensional planning style of like,
00:28:09
Speaker
Here's the six products I have. You're either going to fit into those or you're not. I'm going on to the next person. And so if you do want to be that third bricklayer, you know, the advice and customization that's involved in building a financial plan for those people is a lot different.
00:28:25
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than just putting you into a couple boxes or a couple products. And so I think that's just that level of wisdom that I guess we can bring to the table of really be intentional with your money and who you're taking advice from.
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So if you want a little bit of help trying to figure out where you're at, we'd love to have a talk with you. Let's set up a 15 minute free consultation, kind of walk through your specific situation and then see where you're going. But one thing's for sure, no matter what bricklayer you are, there's ways that you can improve and there's always ways to be better and to surround yourself with those people is powerful.
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And so traditional advising, I do think could keep the first and second brick layer where they're at and suffocate them. Uh, and then even the third layer, the traditional advising, like it's just not really challenging. You just keep going, be complacent, but like, that's never our option. You are your best asset. Let's figure out ways to improve yourself and your situation. So this is what we do every day. Ta-da. Yeah. We would love if you like this illustration, it's in our book. So, uh, look for that.
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And like Philip said, you can schedule a 15-minute call through our website, www.uncommonwealth.com. That's how you reach us. That's awesome. Well, you've been listening to the Uncommon Life Project. I've been your host, Philip Ramsey. And I am Brian Dewhurst. Thanks for tuning in. And tune in next time for another episode. Thanks. Go be in common. Thanks. Bye.
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