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Marc J Palm
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Marc J Palm is an artist you definitely need to know. He is an Eisner Award nominated cartoonist with Mad Magazine. He makes amazing ART.
He is the self-publisher of The Fang, Punch to Kill, Dune mini comics and Intruder comix newspaper.
Listen here for a great conversation with Marc as we cover comix, music, life, bananafishbones (jk), the universe and everything.
Get his ART here https://www.etsy.com/shop/swellzombie
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Transcript
Introduction and Welcome
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You are listening to something rather than nothing. Creator and host Ken Delante. Editor and producer Peter Bauer.
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Hey everybody, this is Ken Vellante with Something Rather Than Nothing, and I'm just really excited to have Mark J. Palm, an artist extraordinaire on the show. Mark, before I start going on about your work and my enjoyment of it, welcome to Something Rather Than Nothing. Thank you for having me, Ken. Yeah. Yeah, I like the title.
Philosophical Discussion: Questions vs. Answers
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It's got a good vibe to it to me, you know, it gives you questions instead of answers. Yeah, yeah. My Soring Kierkegaard said my duty as a philosopher is not to answer a single question, but to, but to only ask more. To just to keep asking more. Why?
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Yeah, like why are we doing all this? So I think we're in the same wavelength.
Mark's Artwork and Projects
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For listeners, folks out there, Mark J. Palm, he does some incredible artwork, some of his titles.
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include the Fang, which is definitely one of my favorites. He has a series, Punch to Kill. There's a lot of great material, and I'm going to ask him to talk about it on his Patreon, and those of you who don't know, Patreon is a way you can directly support.
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artists and their work. One piece I'll say right off the bat is I get packages from Mark every few weeks. And gosh, it's nice to go to the mailbox and get a beautiful artwork. So I encourage everybody to check out his Patreon. But he's worked and done some work with Mad Magazine and I just told them
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prior to popping on here there was a indie comics kind of Comic-Con in Portland it was at a hotel we're both remembering a lot of great artists and that's where I found Mark Palm and had his material and just just followed his stuff and dang we got him on something rather than nothing so uh Mark just uh how you been how's the how's the artwork been going your routines you've been busy and happy oh yeah yeah yeah um this has been a big summer I've
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I've got like three big comics I was working on, a few illustration pieces, just pounding it out and pushing a lot of ink around.
Artistic Techniques and Teaching
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And then also doing a lot digitally too. So I move in both worlds there, kind of keep a balance on that. So yeah, working on a lot of stuff. A New Punch to Kill is close to being finished.
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I've got something coming up called implants that I'm illustrating with a writer, Matt Acosta, and that's going to get serialized in a magazine called Infinite Horrors starting this fall, I think. Wonderful.
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Um, hey, uh, dropping in on this too, and I've seen on the Patreon, it's a kind of like a technical little piece, but I just don't want to forget to ask the question. I was noticing doing some, some sketching, uh, recently. And, uh, I, I was just picking up on the details. You know, I learned from artists, how do they do it and what type of tools that they use, but I noticed this really cool.
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pen you were using, using a blue and a black. It just popped out. And I was like, what is this? Yeah, you're talking about the tool and all that stuff. What's going on with that? I'm on From the Outside. What's up with that? Why does it look so cool?
Artistic Philosophy and Problem-Solving
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Oh, well, it's cool because I made it.
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So I was asked by Kelly Froett Short Run to teach a little class. They have like a surplus of these Hunt 102 pen nibs. You know, your normal dip pen nibs but they're really fine point. Really good for writing or like super fine lines and that's what a lot of cartoonists use.
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So she asked if I could do a demo and kind of maybe help assist people through using it and giving them some tips and hints and whatnot. I said, yeah, that's fine. I can do that. It's kind of a contrast to the comic that I just did, the Punch to Kill. I drew that all in a ballpoint pen. And that was a revelation to me because I hadn't worked in that level with ballpoint. But man, it was so freeing. And I really enjoy the way it looks. So she's like, well,
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We'll do nibs and ballpoints, so teach them both. So I had to come up with some sort of imagery to kind of sell it or give someone an idea. I necessarily don't merge these two inks or these styles, but I just figured out a way. I was like, you know, do the pen nib inking.
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as I would, a lot of black outlines and some fine strokes. But then the ballpoint, it's feathery. And I kind of try to sketch in a lot of lines. It gets more of a pencil type of stroke on that. So yeah, just kind of combining those things. That's how I came up with that. So I'm glad you enjoyed that. I hastily shot a little video and kind of doing a demo myself, see if I can do it live.
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, heck, Mark, we're going to go from nibs to why the universe exists during the time here. You know what I'm saying? No, I really loved it. And I really loved the videos and just a peek into how you do your things. Mark, I do want to start off
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you know, like kind of with the big conceptual question. And so I love your art. I've been a huge fan, which you just realize and, you know, more time those people out there just loving all your stuff. But so I'm jazzing like Mark. Mark Palm is like one of my favorite artists. I love what he does. And I say, well, these are great art pieces. But Mark, what you're an artist. I mean, what what is art? Like, what what do you think art is?
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Art's really, you know, art, that word or art itself, you know, it's, I guess it's like love, it's very hard to define or there's like a million definitions of it. So I try to have a very broad view of it because it, it gets down to, I think one major thing and it's, it's problem solving. Art is problem solving. So maybe you have a problem.
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I need a unicorn. I need a horse with a horn coming out of its head. Okay, now you need to develop this. You need to come up with this thing. So you use all of your skills, every experience you've ever had, every thought, every piece of information you've ever collected in your mind about horses and horns and pens and whatever, and you sit down and you draw this thing.
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And it comes out your way. It comes out the way you could filter it. Whether or not you like that or whether you want to challenge yourself to do a better one, that's up to you.
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So that, but you've created something and you've communicated. So I think art is just like, it's a problem solving thing. And so that can range from unicorns to a chair, to poetry, to, you know, anything. And so it's a problem you have, you have to get something out of your mind or you're challenged by somebody with an idea and you can visualize it, but how do I make it? You know, and I think that's where that thing comes in. So I think art can be very,
Inspirations and Collaborations
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Widely described in my mind in my universe So yeah, I uh, I I really enjoyed how you started and saying as you know solving a problem and I I once I heard that I just connected in my mind about I've been thinking about artistic process and imagination and kind of the boundless elements of it and I think applying to What is it that you need? What is it that you need the process and um with you know creating art it just
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I think you might have used the word but limitless or you know kind of there's a whole Anywhere to pull from it. Oh, absolutely Yeah, and your hand and you know your hand is formed by your experiences and all that type of thing and I love one of the things I love about Unique art and seeing how artists do things is because it's a reflection of unique mind when I see artists do things like you do and others that are unique and
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and exciting, it's that you can do what you want. It feels fun. I find that in your art. And I want to describe to listeners what I'm talking about. I mean, if we talk about Mark Palms, The Fang, which I'm sure a lot of people, if you've heard of any notices, I hate to describe your art, but a monster killing
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muppet with fangs and the part that's really thrown me off a tiny bit, there it is, the fang. The part that's thrown me off is that
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I did not want to be attracted to the fang. And I felt that Mark J. Palm here has put me or maybe other readers in it. But the underlying point is it's fun. It's adventurous. You can do what you will. Thank you. You know, you could do what you will.
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And I think when I first met you, I saw you might've had on your promotional stuff, Mad Magazine. And the immediate connection was in my head of playing, messing around, sticking a middle finger at, being like, I can do this, sensibilities. And are all the pieces part of the vibe and tone of what you're trying to do there with The Fang? Yeah. Yeah, that's all there. You got it. It's...
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You know, I just want to have, I just want to have a lot of fun with this character. And it's exciting to me to write someone who, you know, she's immortal. She, you know, obviously a narcissist because she's a vampire or whatever else. But like, she just thinks so much highly of herself and she's skilled. She's got all those years of experience. She can just murder and do whatever she wants. Get away from it. She's probably unlimited amount of money or whatever. She can get away with whatever.
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So, yeah, she just entertains herself with like, I'm just gonna go kill monsters. I'm gonna take this werewolf out on a date and then trap him because I'll flip the script. Werewolves usually trap other people and then go, oh, I can't control myself. You know, she's like, I'm not buying that shit. I just want to be able to buy a werewolf and you know.
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She likes to try other monster blood. Oh, what's this guy going to taste like? So she goes like that. And yeah, and that whole sarcastic confidence to do whatever you want kind of thing. Making that connection to Matt is pretty good. I like that. Because obviously, the inside art of that book is very similar to Jack Davis or any of the EC guys. That's a massive inspiration.
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So, yeah, and doing what I did for Mad, that broke rules for them in a way, you know, the Gasly Gun Tinies written by Matt Cohen. They took up four pages in mostly black and white to tell a very not funny story of children in a shooting situation. You know, I illustrated that in the Edward Gory style, because I'm a mimic and art-wise.
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So that was pretty big for them, and I'm glad they did. I'm glad it took off as well as it did. Put them on the map just before they became reprinted materials. Yeah, yeah. Thank you.
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listeners. The last episode recent episode we had the Death Valley Girls Mark Palm a couple nice pieces featuring the Fang and then talking about Bonnie and Sammy and Death Valley Girls and they they love the art and a lot of a lot of folks love that art. So really really appreciate
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you work there. Yeah, they look they look fun. I'd like to, you know, if they want to do collaboration, the poster or something like that would be fun. Hell's the I mean, art organizing, you combine artists, you combine talents and what how are numbers? Yeah, it's it's it's so fun. Mark, tell us about the the Patreon. I told folks about what it is. And many, many artists and listeners would know a Patreon.
Art as Communication and Self-Satisfaction
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But
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Just tell us about, you know, about it, how you set it up and, you know, what you do with it. Yeah, the Patreon is, it's interesting. I mostly, I mean, everyone's got, you know, probably different types of Patreons or views of it. But I like to look at it as like, it's the fan page or the fan group. If you're a fang fan,
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you show up here and I'm going to tell you things. I'm going to give you ideas that I'm not telling anybody else. Like if I could do a decoder ring, I'd send that to just the patrons, you know, and that, that kind of thing. So I want, so I do basically like blog entries where I describe what I'm working on, how I'm doing it, show the process of the drawings. I find that interesting about other people.
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I find it interesting about my own stuff and kind of see my own dissection. I get to explain it. It also works as a little diary for me in a way.
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Um, but so that's the entries I put up, you know, PDFs of any of those zines that I make. Um, I then mail out physical ones to people that are on a higher tier. So I try to make something that, you know, I love the ephemera. Digital is great. I get a lot out of it, but I still want to have a thing in my hand and I can tell what people do.
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I just want to, you know, I've been making zines since 1993. I kind of can't stand like folding and stapling these little guys. So I'm just going to keep doing it. If I can afford better and more, I'll do that. You know, sometimes I. You know, for Christmas, I did like a sexy Krampus card, you know, a little promotional image based off of something a little. But yeah, then, you know, there's the fang zines. Yeah.
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The thing in the thing with the combining fang and rock and roll. I almost turned off the computer market said I could put this away Yeah Love it rock and roll rock star now. So oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I got a lot of heroes that are like that, you know My wife here, you know, she's a punk rock. She's a singer and she makes her own music and does everything else. So
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Yeah, I enjoyed that because, you know, you just read a little bit about, you know, I mean, you might have mentioned it and I just, I was reading about, you know, her involvement and then there's just a great vibe around all that and I could feel it in.
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you know, the art that you've shown and yeah, talking about her. So well, and that's, that's the thing about the thing too, is like, I wanted to, I'm inspired by all the women around me and all these great women in my life and my mother and my grandmother and you know, so like, I want to kind of do an homage to them and these badass women and just
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you know, treat her real and give her some, you know, some real fangs. Yeah. Well, I loved I loved that you said that too. I mean, I think on on on on the podcast, I've had, you know, a majority of female guests and there's a lot I find I use the podcast a lot of times just to learn I have this kind of endless curiosity. So I try to
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Learn but also sell you celebrate the artists that I hear but what I found a lot of times is just I wanted to whenever I can because it's my own interest is to feature who I want to feature like who I want to feature and to reach out into different areas and and are and I've
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Learned so much From all my guests but imagine on the guests and sometimes being pioneers and and first and and what they do and and I think too with the whole zine culture if we think of riot girl and so what you're talking about like Seattle we think of some cities and that holds out culture whole long ethos of like rebellion strength resilience it's a
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Yeah, it's exciting. I think it's you know, you're excited by communications with them. Yeah. Communication is that's, you know, that's kind of the role of art. If you know it's a problem solving is to create something, what are you doing? You're creating it to communicate to someone else what a horse with a horn looks like, or you're trying to tell yourself what it is, you know, you're kind of I've
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I've pushed a lot of ink around on sketch pads and looked at it days later and be like, oh, that's what I drew. Okay. I mean, I guess that is kind of a reflection of last week, but we're revealing things about ourselves and also just moving things and doing stuff. So we're communicating, we have to. Whether it's the words or the image or whatever, we got to express ourselves somehow.
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like little sponges of information we're constantly just absorbing stuff we gotta expel it one way or another yeah artists are people who just they train their the drawing muscle more than the running muscle or the hammer muscle or you know or the salesman muscle yeah a lot of us are not good salesmen because we're focused on the other bits but
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Yeah, and I had the question near the role of art, and I appreciate what you said, is be able to communicate out. Can you tell me, as an artist, have you felt that you have a choice in being an artist and communicating the way you do? Or do you feel so much as far as who you are and what you express that?
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This is my only choice. Like, how do you feel about, you know, you know, being an artist human, you know, that's the way you are human? Yeah, it's, um, to, yeah, I guess, you know, to put it as like, if I have a choice, yeah, I guess I have a choice. I could not if I wanted to, but ultimately I do feel, and I state this to other people, like I, I got a sickness, you know, I'm just gonna draw, I'm just gonna create and make things.
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There's no motivation deeper than just my own brain and my own ambition just to like, I got to get these ideas out or I enjoy doing this. It's like swimmers probably enjoy swimming. So they could choose not to if they wanted to, but I enjoy pushing the ink around or drawing or whatever. So I'm going to keep doing that. So I think.
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So I think of it as sort of a sickness and my motivation is self-satisfaction. And I think that should be the goal or should be is not a good way to term things. But I think I would encourage others to be more self-satisfaction based in creating art versus money-based. Like, oh, I see this formula. I've seen people make money at it. So I'm going to replicate that and try to make money.
Music and Comics: Creative Parallels
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And then
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You know, you're, you're kind of taking a table space because you're not in it authentically, you know, to do it. You're just trying to like hope that leaps off into making a bunch of cash or you get a cartoon deal or something. And it's like, yeah, there's people that are in it.
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really deep. We've talked, bumped around a little bit with the music. In my mind, I have these things just interrelated. I can't separate out the music and creating. Oh, there's a lot of parallels for sure.
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Is there anything, I'm just going to ask, is there anything, you're Pacific Northwest, I'm from the East Coast originally and I'm particularly sensitive to the differences, the wonderful, the maddening differences of the Pacific Northwest and loving it and truly belonging, but also being perplexed by it all the time. But talking about the music scene, when I came out here at the music scene, Portland blew my mind because
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There's a lot of metal there. I'm a big Doom metal guy. So it has that good vibe. I've been up to Seattle and caught some Seattle music and know historically the scene there. Is there something about the music and that stuff that's going on that comes out and your experience and your work that's Pacific Northwest, Washington, that type of thing? Yeah. I grew up, my first 23, four years were in Michigan.
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and originally the suburb of Detroit then in the corn country where I developed my taste because I had to start hunting for music and it was during the 90s. It was during the 90s, so going after the grunge stuff. So that's when my mind turned on to music was in that era. So obviously I was drawn to Seattle. I came out here in the early 2000s and haven't turned back. The music,
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The music was a draw and the accessibility to good music, you know, you couldn't, you know, couldn't be matched. I didn't go out to too many shows in Detroit and Chicago like I should have or could have. But Seattle was way easier to get to and buy stuff and get new CDs and new CDs and all this other stuff and trade with people. And so yeah, later, it was like it was probably another five or seven years
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after I was just kind of seeing shows that I got involved with the people in the shows and putting on shows. And my wife, she was a huge, you know, local event coordinator for all these noise shows and experimental music and stuff. So once I got involved in that, then it's like really got deep. And so, yeah, that plays a huge part of it. And I think the parallels with independent music and independent comics are very similar. Like everyone's,
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pushing really hard to make their stuff and get a sale and whatever else. I feel there's a weird musicians, they have to go out and perform after they've recorded or before they recorded, they have to go out and perform this piece of artwork every time and have the same passion and have the same energy and the same care and the same love of doing it.
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every time they have to sell it that way. Luckily, I only have to draw my comic book. It takes a year maybe, but I only had to draw it once. It takes you maybe as long to read my comic as it does to listen to a song, but there's that weird balance, there's differences, but man, being a musician, that's hard. I can't imagine being professional or full-time. I give a lot of credit to that.
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Yeah, thanks for your comments around that. I mean, sometimes I was just, you know, talking to you. I mean, sometimes people's brain doesn't think about these, what could be disparate elements in this, in this, in the same way. And what I find really interesting, Mark, and I mentioned earlier about
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the panels that you did. This is in the same vein. I've never done 153 episodes, and I've commissioned a couple pieces. But somewhere in my head, once I had contacted them, I saw them in the comic book world, and I had been talking to you, and then it was music in comics. It was just that's what was going to happen, independent.
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uh one final death valley girls thing i need to tell you and tell the listeners they have a podcast and it's tremendous and uh i know mark would like it they interview uh a ton of folks including the guy who makes the world largest gummies like gummy worms that are like five pounds and all these type of things i don't know why i'm so attached to that episode i think everybody talks about that one but um death valley
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The Valley Girls podcast. But it was, it was, I appreciate your comments about the music. And I always ask folks, because I've been in this, in the area of Pacific Northwest for about 11 years. So I've been around and I get immersed in it, but I still had this kind of like outsider's eye to the mysteries and some of the, some of the cool elements and noticing some of the special stuff art wise. And I
Where to Find Mark's Art
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appreciate it. And I like it.
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So one of the things I wanted to ask you about, Mark, is to make sure as we're talking here that you can connect folks to your work. And we had mentioned the Patreon, which is under Mark J. Palm.
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under Patreon is just so I don't forget. I was wondering, just both for me and the listeners, weird to kind of come into contact in the different things you do just so they know that now.
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Oh yeah. So yeah, the Patreon. You can also, I sell zines and books, stuff like the Punch Kill and the Fang on my Etsy. And that's under Swell Zombie, which is one of my handles. If you want to deep dive into my life or my art, search Swell Zombie. There's decades worth of blog posts. And there's actual, I did do experimental music. So there's Swell Zombie music out there somewhere.
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But then for some more artwork, more modern stuff, you can see the whole gasoline gun tiniest I did from ad that's on Behance for, you know, Adobe's Behance or whatever. And that's Behance.net at slash Mark Palm. So that's out there. I'm on Instagram. I post a lot of stuff on there. And yeah, like I'm around here and there, but that's those are the mostly the spots. Yeah. And everybody,
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Yeah, thank you, everybody. I know pretty darn soon I want to get a whole bunch of new Marc J. Palmatier. Check it out. Such, such great stuff. Oh, you can also... Sorry. No, go ahead. Jump in. Fantagraphics books also distribute the Fang Volume 1 and 2. Yes. So they're always having sales like Halloween or Black Friday sale or whatever. Yes.
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Throw it in there when you're buying, you know, ordering Richard Salah or the new clouds or something.
Media Influences and Recommendations
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Um, so it's a good, good little small book. Gorgeous book. I own a copy and folks, uh, you comic folks who are listening, fan, a graphics, you hear that fan, a graphics publish or amazing J POM stuff, a gorgeous publisher, uh, American treasure.
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fanagrass that's the imprint for they they just i gotta correct you they distribute me but they didn't publish me ah well hey but it's just as good if they're touching it and distributing it oh yeah they believe in it
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Yeah, for sure. Amen brother. Hey, not gonna let you go anywhere. I'm just gonna throw the big fastball up around inside towards your head. Mark J. Palm, why is there something rather than nothing? I'm pretty darn sure you know. Cuz there's gotta be, there's nothing this is
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nearly impossible to imagine, even if you say, well, I mean, it's just, there'd be nothing, there'd be black, or there'd just be whiteness. Well, there's still white, there's still black, there's something. And I think, you know,
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That kind of question makes me think of someone saying, well, I'm bored. I'm here in this room, and I'm bored. I rarely ever bored. I have an imagination, or I'm curious. So even if I was in a white cell, I wouldn't be bored. There wouldn't be nothing. I'd start understanding the texture of the, oh, it's concrete, not metal, or it's kind of dirty. Oh, well, there's this crack, or oh, there's a bug. There'd be something, not nothing. It kind of helps.
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focus on things and maybe keep it in the moment if you're looking around for something instead of imagining there's nothing. I appreciate that. Mark J. Palm is grounding me, folks. What does... Here we go. Thanks, Mark J. Palm, for grounding me. Thank you. Do you hear that every day, brother? I try. Yeah, right.
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Uh, Mark, I just wanted for, before we, uh, take off here, I wanted to thank you so much for taking the time talking about your art. It was a lot of fun. Yeah, to jump in, check out stuff. But, um, I just wanted to just, just ask, uh, talking about music and talking about, you know, comics and independent, any, any, any, any thoughts you want to
Conclusion and Reflections
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comment about any of that? Maybe a couple of things you run into, things that excite you recently, artistically. Oh, um, wow. Uh,
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What am I really excited about? I mean, there's so much out there on Instagram that you're just scrolling by. Did you like the Sandman? Have you watched the Sandman show? Haven't seen that. I'm an oddity because I never read the comic either. But oh, I really, I've gotten into the boys. That's a good action. I love that because it's a good satire and comic, you know, superhero stuff, which a big fan of Rick Veach.
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If you like the boys, go back to the original stuff and get, you know, Maxi Mortal and Brat Pack, and those are terrifyingly good breakdowns of superhero stuff. And they have good commentary on the Siegel and Schuster kind of debacle and whatnot, so. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, I dig around in the old stuff a lot of the times, but Martin, Dean Martin, Jerry Lewis movies are
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you know, in my player right now too. So I'm all over the place. VHS or beta or DVD? My VHS player, my VCR broke down and so I'm stuck with just Blu-ray currently. Dude, I'm sorry to hear that. During the pandemic, everybody's the pandemic was a terrible time. But one thing I can say is I went to the recycling bin one day.
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and i looked inside and there was a vcr and i said no way i said no way this thing can't work and because to me at that time i'm like this is a beautiful like why are people throwing out gold you know like in the recycling so i bring it in plug it in and the thing works and it's right in the room where i am and i'm like beautiful
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VHS back in style. So yeah. Yeah. Anyways, it's the hot thing at least up here in the Pacific Northwest. Whatever. Oh, yeah. The VHS again. I worked at Scarecrow Video for a number of years. So I encourage people to go and rent movies, go rent VHS and DVDs and laser discs. They have them all there. They're still there.
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nearly 200,000 individual movies. It's beautiful. It's amazing. Oh, I wait. Yeah, go ahead. Music recommendation. Yes. The new, the new OCs is great. Okay. I just love that band. They're always kicking it ass. Right now it's the very punk leaning album. Yeah. So yeah, that's, that's what I'm jamming to right now. Yeah. And
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but just another thing that just this past Saturday. So Alison chains up in Washington, up over past the board, or Alison chains and breaking Benjamin and Bush with my son and Alison chains shirt on. He's 13 years old. And it was just one of those moments. I'm like, man, we're both head banging. And we're just, we're just loving it. So it's been nice to chat with you Mark and think about music and the cool stuff that you make.
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I said it a billion times. Everybody check out Mark's stuff. Such, such great energy. Laugh. Feel the wrongness of some of the panels sometimes and the discomfort. Go with those feelings and, you know, you're having a great art experience. Mark, you're great. Thank you. Thanks for coming on, man. Not a problem. Anytime. Thanks a lot.
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This is something rather than nothing.