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Vanessa Stockard recently visited the podcast for the 3rd time!

Vanessa Stockard was born in 1975 in Sydney and spent her formative years in a small country town in the Mid North Coast of New South Wales.  At 12 she returned to Sydney as a boarder at Abbotsleigh.  After graduating from the College of Fine Arts (COFA) Sydney in 1998 with a BFA, Stockard launched head first into the avant-garde art scene in the bohemian village of Glebe.

Stockard is one of the most dangerous artists on the Australian, and by extension, international scene.  Her ethereal works of art are a window into the soul of a talented and complex artist, one whose legacy is bound to resonate well past her generation.  The existential nature of her painting viscerally questions our concepts of social relationships and reality.

Twenty years of introspection and experimentation, ranging over a number of media, have forged Vanessa’s style and vulcanised her craft, enabling her to reveal complex misdemeanours, while simultaneously demanding the viewer’s self-reflection.  She deals with isolation and sadness with intimate care and attention.

Vanessa is unhindered by failure, always continuing the discovery of things previously unseen, revealing work that is fresh, unlaboured and penetrating.  The deceptive everyday nature of her subject matter belies hidden depths of relationship, feeling and emotion.  One could describe her process as absence of thought, a freedom of construct, not unlike the stream of consciousness associated with authors such as Hemmingway and Thomas Wolfe.

If light and shade were students, she would be their master.  This skill, combined with a naturally deft hand and a determined use of perspective, imbue her subjects with gravitas.  The artist refers to set design elements that often alter and morph as her piece progresses.  She has said she feels grounded from her ability to draw from the benign surrounds of familiar life, infusing these images with a meaning that yields a meditative satisfaction.

Stockard’s oeuvre features many pieces developed without any direct visual reference but rather from memory, often incorporating domestic pets such as cats and dogs.  Juxtaposing the anthropomorphic nature these animals are given by our society, she infuses the personification of virtue and vice into the everyday canine and feline status quo of our pets.  Cats with their fluffy comical exteriors glint with an instinctive urge to kill and cruelly torment their prey, dogs with their providence of happiness, loyalty and friendship are flung back onto Churchill’s menacing metaphor for depression.

The Kafkaesque mindset behind such works is reminiscent of the existentialist authors like Sartre and Camus.  Absurdism appears with cake imagery and its relation to a childlike nostalgia for happiness which may never be real, but rather imaginary, unattainable and unachievable.  It’s been said “pain is inexhaustible, it’s only people who get exhausted…”

One can never “have it all”, to be both the artist and patron.  To intrinsically understand those things around us that others overlook is what we want from our artists, our creatives.  They give voice to the profound mystery of the world around us, surrounded as we are with consumerism, pointless greed, deceit and dissatisfaction.  There’s no pretension here in these paintings, just spontaneous insight and beauty.  Some art is said to speak volumes, but these works are more like innocent and delicate poems, whispering untold truths with an economy of words.

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00:00:22
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Nothing podcast. And I am so pleased to talk to you, Vanessa. ah You know, ah had you on the show twice before. ah You are quite busy. And we're catching you before your ah painting day. So just wanted to say hello and welcome again from Oregon. And what's going on? Tell us tell us what's going on. Hi. um Well, good morning, Ken. It's morning here. And um I'd love to see if you could actually you know correctly pronounce my surname. Do you reckon we can give it a shot? Stockard. Stockard. Stockard.
00:01:07
Speaker
yeah I messed it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You guys just can't say it. Okay, so it's stock hard. Stock hard? That's what I was saying, stock hard. No, you weren't. No, no, no, you never did. I was. We've had this argument before. It was unsettled then. i I deem it unsettled at this point, but it is your name. It is your name, so... If if if it sounds wrong, man, I'm losing all my arguments before I even start here. um No. yeah yeah what So like, um it's summertime over by you, right? yeah Okay. Does that change anything about like, ah like your painting day? Are you happier during the summer? Has it become like, sweltingly hot where you are? No, it's not um because I sort of live in a ah microclimate. So it it's quite full most all of the year. It's quite cold a lot of the year. um And so today, like where it might be, you know, 15 or 20. Okay, we're talking Celsius, but like a lot hotter about an hour away. It's always quite, quite cool.
00:02:20
Speaker
where I am. So it doesn't really affect me. The weather doesn't really affect me much. I mean, it does get extremely windy, which I hate that. But um yeah, what about you guys?
00:02:34
Speaker
Well, uh, it's cold and damp. Uh, but you know what I was thinking, I was thinking we're talking about the weather. Like, yeah, I know. Like, fuck the like suck that. i Um, let's try something else. ah what yeah i hear this You were out in like, there's this period or this like, that you had told me about a being out in Oregon and Portland, Oregon. And one of the reasons you did this, uh, eccentric podcast that I run was ah that you loved Oregon but what's like what's like something what's something really weird you did in Portland I mean you're an artist you were younger like did you do any like super weird shit in Portland look I did um you know not not trying to be weird but I would say that I I did
00:03:27
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did things that were weird. For example, um and I had no money. I just had, you know, honestly, it was was a shocker. I had three jobs and I was living in this tiny, you know, kennel is what I called it out the back of someone, you know, another rental house. And there were five or six people in there and they all had cats. um And I was living with my boyfriend at the time in this tiny little hole, essentially. um And they, well, a couple had one cat that used to visit us because we had a cat door. It was just basically a cat house. And this cat, Milosh, used to come in and just make himself at home, you know, because it's not a locked cat door.
00:04:16
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um But the cat's parents were vegans and the cat was vegan, right? um ah v can yeah wait let's Let's hold up here. Let's hold up here. Don't lose your thought, but yeah. Cats are, I know genetically like they can, one of the animals that can almost live entirely on meat and carnage. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So this cat wasn't real place.
00:04:48
Speaker
And I thought, oh, they're portly like cute. you know and you know what Cats are like, they will just find a better home if that you know they're like. um And so you know I'd be cooking fish and all of a sudden there's Milosh, right? and And after a while, Milosh is starting to, you know i'm I'm actually buying a fillet of fish for him. And um essentially I'm feeding their cats ah and pretty much every day. He was there every day. um And then i you know one day I heard a ah knock on the door.
00:05:18
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And, you know, the the parents of the cat said, to um well, our our cat won't come home. You know, it's like two metres away from the house. He won't come home. Are you feeding my cat? And I'm like, yes. Uh-oh, you fast up. But he's he's he's vegan. and And I said, well, not anymore. And and and then they said, well,
00:05:44
Speaker
um Would you mind not feeding our cat? It's our cat. And I said, yeah, I'll try. i i'll try um And I tried for about a week and it was back and I was feeding him again. So after that, they locked him inside and I didn't see him for months. um But then and I thought, i will you know who knows, maybe he's died or whatever and i just you know and I just never saw the cat. And then after a while I started noticing there was rubbish outside my door.
00:06:14
Speaker
every day. and um we had And it was starting to become warmer. And we had some neighbors close by next to my little shack that would have you know beers, play music, you know have a good time in the afternoon, you know how Portland is kind of lovely.
00:06:30
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For a short period. time yeah Yeah, you know and and everyone's happy and um You know people whistle at you in the street. I know that's that sexist, but you know, you know back in the day people were smiling and um But you know, so they're having a good time and then I'm noticing there's rubbish right outside my door every single day so I'm starting to look at these guys and I'm like You know, you assholes are having a game, right? You're you're trying to hit my doormat. Yes. Every day, every day, right? So after a while, I really started to get the shits and I started just yelling like a mad person. You know, stop trying to trash my my existence as if it's not bad enough living here anyway. You know, I mean, I just started swearing at them and stuff and they probably just thought I was some druggy or whatever.
00:07:23
Speaker
Um, and I didn't for, you know, i just yelled at them for, I dunno, several weeks, and never one that great several weeks several weeks. Yeah. Like a mad person because there was always rubbish right outside. and Then I picked the rubbish up and I'd throw it over the fence back at them. Right. Which is kind of an aggressive move. Uh,
00:07:44
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but It's definitely an aggressive mood in the end. And I remember my boyfriend going, can you just not? Can we just just put the garbage in the bin and just forget it? And I'm like, I understand your reaction, Vanessa. Yeah, I understand your reaction. I'm not just trying to suck up to the gas, but like when you're in garbage wars, you're you know, you're already living in garbage. Exactly. Exactly.
00:08:09
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I'm like, don't make it worse. um you know I had moss growing inside the windows. There's mold everywhere. there was like The refrigerator was from the 1950s. I can't believe... Anyway, shocking. um But the only thing we could afford or actually the only thing we could get to rent, um and that was back then. But anyway, one day, I saw Malosh walking towards my house with a um a taco bell packet so the whole time it was him hate being lying garbage so you bar my door yeah were the raving you were the you now wait a second i you know i i i feel like i know the biography it's something like
00:09:05
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from the Portland Kennel to the Cabbings paintings, right? It's like found from around the world. ah And this is in the 90s Portland, Vanessa. You got some chops there. Yeah, no, no, it wasn't the 90s. It was probably around 2000. I'm sorry, I dated you. Seven, eight or something like that. Yeah, I don't know.
00:09:32
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2007. Yeah. Your paint and landscapes then, right? Yeah, it was. Yeah. yeahp Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What are you going to say? You're going to continue? No, I was just saying that, you know, but it is true that cats have made an impression in my life. It doesn't matter where I go. There's always There's always a cat there, right? Because they're everywhere. I wanted to ask you, are you into true crime stuff, like true crime stories, movies, all that stuff? I'm female. Yeah. They're good. um That's a demographic right there. Yeah. Well, um I mean, and and I mean, you're not female, I guess. But are you into true crime?
00:10:12
Speaker
I am very much, very much into and into true crime. I listen to it kind of compulsively. um but You might have guessed that. You might have guessed that anyways. with like the No, it's not just my assistant. That's all he listens to. He'll be down there just plugging away, listening to true crime. and you know um and I don't think he's going to turn into a serial killer because you know he he's frightened of blood. so um You know what's interesting though? Both US and Australia are really big into the true crime stuff. There's some darkness there. There's some darkness going on, I think. with Yeah, but look, it's it's interesting, isn't it? Because it's not something that... I mean, we all know someone we wouldn't mind giving a big you know
00:10:57
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you know, running them over with a track or something. But, you know, maybe it's it's wishful thinking. Oh, look, I don't know what drives us to towards, you know, violence.
00:11:09
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it's It's in us, I think. you know but i know it's I know it's in you with the with the with the rubbish. um Wait, you're supposed to have questions for me. ah from my and well and i i I am. terrified I'm terrified at this moment. I'm not, but I can truly say, Vanessa, that I haven't the slightest fucking idea what you're going to ask me.
00:11:33
Speaker
I can honestly say that. All right. All right. Well, you know how I don't like public speaking and being on a podcast. I know. And i I know. I know I have to drag you to this halfway across the world. I know. But I try every every now and then. And I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm putting a life. I feel guilty enough about it. If someone says, oh, I'll just check my diary. I'll think about it. You know what the answer is? It's it's a no. And oh, with capital. Yeah. Yeah. Solid.
00:12:04
Speaker
Yeah, and yet here we are. But but that's ah it's a good ambush technique is to ask someone on the on the fly, you know, I tried it, I tried it and it works. So what do you what do you have? What do you have for me? All right, questions. Okay, because you're making me do something I hate, I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you.
00:12:21
Speaker
the most irritating question of the day. Are you ready? Yeah. But this is a personal irritating question for the day. and um And I know that other people also find it really, really irritating. So here we go. What's for dinner tonight, Ken? What's that? What's for dinner tonight?
00:12:42
Speaker
What's for dinner tonight? yeah Oh, that one really threw me off. Oh, nice. Horrible, isn't it? With the ah prices, inflation prices, and trade impending trade wars in America for most, yeah it's grape nuts, frosted flakes. Oh, breaking dinner. No, I'm going to do more than that. I'm going to tell you something. ah you know Speaking of the freaky vegan, I had my vegan vegan wings yesterday and na no a matter i I know I know but are you are you vegan I am are you a cyclist
00:13:25
Speaker
I am not. and Okay. Well, you need to add that to your repertoire. Cyclist? Yeah. Is it just because of the hot pants or is it the... No, it's just it's the whole world. It's just my kid really irritating. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh my goodness. but All right. So, no, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not that Oregon. I'm not like that, that Oregon. Okay. um No, i haven't prepared I haven't thought about preparing ah dinner, so you did truly catch me off-guard with that question. Back in, because you get me every time. You asked me something impossible. So this is good this is a good lesson for me.
00:14:05
Speaker
almost 300 episodes in to be like, you know what, that question you asked is really annoying and I don't know if I'm going to sound good at the end of it. Okay, that's fair. What about another one? What about another one? What about another one?
00:14:24
Speaker
All right. what do you What's your favorite outfit? Favorite outfit? Do I know what it is? No, I don't know what it is. Adidas tracksuit, like a New Jersey mobster. Full Adidas tracksuit, black or red. Yeah, the Adidas tracksuit. You made matching top and pants. Yeah, yeah. Serious. You're lying. No. No, I'll post the picture on Instagram. It's as real as you could imagine. Yeah. Black or... How did that happen?
00:15:00
Speaker
1980s. I grew up in 1980s. Hip-hop. Run DMC. ah ah you I would say that the uniform from 1983 for me might be the uniform for 2025 as well. Honestly. Yeah, no, no, no. I know. I know. You know what? I watched the Super Bowl yesterday. and I've got to say,
00:15:25
Speaker
I don't understand what on earth is going on. It is the slowest game on the planet. And and then with Lamar's genes, like who gives a flying, honestly? And the socials are all over it. I mean, what what do you think about his pants? Are you into it? Would do you wear those?
00:15:47
Speaker
Um, I wouldn't dare wear those, those pants. I mean, I am, I'm a bit modest. I mean, that the outfit I was mentioned was with the Adidas track suit, but no, so I'm glad well, anyways, I'm glad, uh, I'm glad I think, uh, that you got caught the super bowl. I think anybody peeking into what's going on, the United States, uh, is a fear, you know, like watching in real time catastrophe, like. Yeah, the needs is like wild. Yeah, um it's ah it's, ah you know, I think maybe California looking at ah breaking off from the union by a ballot measure. I it's wild over here right now, I guess, probably should even date it. We're almost like
00:16:37
Speaker
A few days into February 2025, the wildfires in l LA were horrifying. And oh my God, what about David Lynch dying? I know, that was shocking. I was like, he's only 78. I'm like, what? No, that's not okay.
00:16:57
Speaker
I agree. Were you mourning? Are you mourning that? I mean, how did that...? Yeah, that was a massive bummer. It's sad. It's sad, right? Really sad. What's your favorite David Lynch movie? He had more work to do, hey? What's your favorite David Lynch movie?
00:17:13
Speaker
Well, I got to say the one that I will never forget is Blue Velvet. I knew it. Yeah. How do you know? Because you're thick as well. Yeah. OK, cool. Yeah, it's right in that wheelhouse. Yeah. um You want to know some fun? I don't know if you know this. yeah Portland at Movie Madness, which is the largest DVD video VHS rental place in the world. They have the ear.
00:17:40
Speaker
from Blue Velvet that Kyle McLaughlin, the character Jeffrey Beaumont finds in the field. So it's the it's the crafted cut off severed ear. You can see a copy of it at what at the video store. Yeah, it's right behind glass. You have video stores still?
00:18:00
Speaker
Oh, my God, it's the coolest. Let's talk video stores. What do you mean? Yeah, no, we don't have them. No, we don't have them. We don't have many. But check this out in yeah in Bend, Oregon, is the last black blockbuster video, which was big in the US. I'm not sure if it was worldwide. Yeah, it was big there. OK, so the last the last remaining one is in Bend, Oregon. And movie madness, the place that I just mentioned, is the largest DVD, VHS, rental place, like in in the US. And I actually have a VHS, a VCR hooked up right now. you know You know how it is in Portland, almost so cool that you're going back in time, right? Look, I am all for owning your own media.
00:18:53
Speaker
ah physical copy. You know what? Yep. Okay. I'm bringing out my DVD player as well. You should. I mean, I buy them. I collect them. I'm like, what am I going to do with them? I've got something like eight you know streaming platforms. And no, they they certainly do not beat these from back back in the day. They don't. the I've hooked up the v VCR in the backyard with the white a sheet on the fence and projected like Steven Seagal movies in office. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's a good idea. Oh, my gosh, Vanessa, you're so busy. How much time do I have? Do I have like three, four minutes left with you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. Yeah. Wait, did you have another like weird asked question for me? Because those yeah if if you don't on your sheet or they're not, you know, whatever. Hey, does he found that organized? Come on, mate.
00:19:48
Speaker
that that That was it, right? tell yeah That was it that you had for me. um ah tell us Tell us an art update before I let you go. I mean, tell us like, you know, I know you out in the l LA, I think last year, 2024, your paintings ah are are well known and wonderful and fun, like 2025. Thank you.
00:20:16
Speaker
Yeah, what's like you got some exhibits or like kind of like going on arts, like arts, your art stuff like that. Well, actually, incredibly, um I'm part of a group show in Melbourne, fifth row with Utre gallery. um I'm often not included or backed by my own country, which is a bit rude. So that was really nice and um they They showcase Pop Surrealism, which is a really niche market here. It's not like it is um in America. you know ah So that's good. And that's in February and opens on the 21st. And then with Ag Art, I work with an upcoming gallery with Agatha Becker. And we have a group show in London.
00:21:14
Speaker
um Let's see, that's opening 24th of March, and then we're part of um a show in Abu Dhabi in November. So they're the things that are on my calendar that I can recall, but um I'm sure it'll pack up like pretty fast, as it usually does, you know last-second things, and and also like my memory.
00:21:39
Speaker
um ah you know probably ADHD or something but I like everybody else right but I can't remember what's going on from one day to the next that's that's oh I mean that it's It's so great, honestly, like never to lose track of that ah recognition here in Abu Dhabi. It's it's a worldwide. i've like i' like um i mean I've loved the animated collaborations we talked about before. I love fashion. We talked a little bit about that, but when I know you popped into fashion in some of your paintings. No, you love the data.
00:22:15
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Oh my gosh. Oh, you know, role you you would be like so in vogue in say Verona, but like head to toe in Adidas, but you know, like the most sparkly and gold, you know, the whole thing you got to have the.
00:22:32
Speaker
What do we call them? You call them a fanny pack. You got to have that. You got to have that. Well, now you're adding a lot. You're adding a lot more to my basic uniform. I mean, I got the turquoise pinky ring. I go with turquoise pinky ring and black. It's generally traditional, you know, black Adidas suit. The fanny pack, you know, I mean, you've seen those pictures with the rocket. It doesn't hold up even. ah Yeah, irony of it, you know, even that I think kind of they are that takes some convincing because I respect them
00:23:08
Speaker
but I also know my limitations. i respect You respect the fanning pack. I mean, that's honestly one of the funniest things I've heard. You can fit, you can fit a phone. Think about it nowadays, Vanessa. You could fit a phone. You could fit in tape. You can fit in your keys. You can fit in a photo or your loved one. You could fit in even a ah granola bar in there and you still got room. So you tell me what's wrong with that.
00:23:37
Speaker
No, that's what cargo pants are for. They're also back in fashion. You can put your whole, you can put a whole filing cabinet in there and still look really uncool. So like, you know.
00:23:52
Speaker
Uh, it is, uh, it is, it's, it's great to talk to you. I promise not to completely disrupt, disrupt your workflow and day. I know I've done a ah number on it, but I gotta tell you, um, I'm so happy to catch up with you. I call this, uh, uh, catching up with Vanessa Stockard. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. I swear to. I, uh,
00:24:21
Speaker
But yeah, no cigar. Staka, no cigar. Well, you know, it's maybe it's a Rhode Island accent. that you know where did There's this kid's book. It's called Where Did All the Oz Go? But it's the letter it's the letter. Let me try to say it. The letter R. But it's Where where Did the but which is all that but do All the Go? you know Oh, it's true, actually. It's a kid's book. It's probably a corrective.
00:24:46
Speaker
that's but All right, Vanessa, any final words of wisdom ah ah for me or or anything along those lines? No. You're not going to bother, right? Oh, well, you know, where do you start with a question like that? It's very open-ended, could end up anywhere. um Look, just just go get it.
00:25:11
Speaker
go Go do the work. What else is there, you know? Yeah, yeah, I've needed. um I've been trying to create a lot of art. I've been working hard in on my labor union job, but ah trying to find time for creativity and final point, Vanessa, it's really just so wonderful. I talked to you about the painting and when we talked about Midsommar in a depiction and of a painting that you did of the the the flop. Amazing, maybe. I always like to bring that up because I want to one more quick story related to this. There's something like that for me in the way I go at art to come in close contact with it has like a real special meaning. I'll give you one other example. This is a painter and she's from New Mexico and her name is Robin Sinagini.
00:26:04
Speaker
And I adore her paintings, and I think you would love them as well. I'll send you the link. But what was really cool is she asked for some painters to send her paintings, and then she did a painting of the painting within her painting. And my painting was in there. Oh, wow. I know. It's so tough to describe but like the inclusion and to be part of like this built up painter world. And I'm like, it was such a mind trick for me. It was so exciting. But like I mentioned that in order to probably mention Robinson and Jenny, but also to convey to you like how cool it is to be able to look at that painting in person in like the closeness to like great creativity. So I wanted to, to of course, let you know that and,
00:26:58
Speaker
That's really, really a unique take. and you know It takes a lot. if you got to really You've just got to try so many different ideas to come up with something that obviously isn't entirely unique. but It's a little bit unique it because everything has been done. And well, I've not heard of that one. So that's, you know, cute. Yeah. Wonderful. Thanks for paying. And Vanessa, thanks for being a wonderful person and for calling and giving us a little bit of Australia report. There's nothing I can do less than two hours to tell you about what's going on in the United States of America. but All right. I'm watching here with my popcorn.
00:27:34
Speaker
Don't you worry. yeah we You know, hey, if field reports from over here, but ah thanks, Vanessa, and ah send in love, and thank you so much. Thanks, love. I'll talk to you the next couple of years, all right? All right. Bye
00:28:00
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