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Is AI OK? Creativity vs Manufactured Tasks
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In Episode 24 of the CodePlay Culture Podcast, we delve into the ethical and moral uses of artificial intelligence, posing the critical question: "Is AI OK?" This episode explores the intricate balance between AI's role in enhancing creativity and its capacity to handle manufactured tasks. We examine how AI influences various sectors, from artistic endeavors to routine job automation, and discuss the potential consequences of its widespread use. Our conversation covers the ethical implications of AI in decision-making processes, its impact on employment, and the philosophical questions about AI's place in human society. Join us as we navigate the complex landscape of artificial intelligence, weighing its benefits against its ethical dilemmas.
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Can AI be truly creative?
00:00:00
Speaker
Welcome to the Codeplay Culture Podcast, where we discuss tech, gaming, health, and the world around us.
00:00:11
Speaker
Welcome back to Codeplay Culture. Logan, Rui, and Chris back at it again. Today we are discussing a another interesting topic where we go over if AI is A-OK in terms of creativity and manual tasks.
00:00:30
Speaker
So I wanted to pick your brains about this guys. um The whole thing about should AI's, I guess, social, I guess, responsibilities include the following, but not limited to coming up with its own ideas and push posting things on social media.
00:00:50
Speaker
um It's like rights or you know creativity that's robotic versus, Okay. You have these emails and you want to move them to the folder, move them to the right folder, depending on whatever you think, because of the name and whatnot.
00:01:04
Speaker
That's like a manual process thing. It's not really creating content. That's maybe masquerading around as someone that is like, Oh, that's not AI content. There's this whole, like, you know, wave of, um, people want to know, especially Google YouTube, when you post a video, is it Got any AI elements in it? Is there any altered content?
00:01:28
Speaker
Is the new pop-up when you're posting a YouTube video? I'm sure, Rui, you've seen it. Yeah.
00:01:35
Speaker
I have seen it. and And I suppose they're doing the due diligence, but I'm not sure what the ah reason for that is.
00:01:46
Speaker
I suppose to inform users whether or not it's AI, but is it, is it, is it purposeful? Like, is it meaningful? Do do I keep honest people? Anybody care?
00:01:56
Speaker
Keep honest people. That's what they'd have to start at the top then. And not with the, uh, the creators, right? Like we're, we're going to talk honesty, then we got to go right to the top of that food chain, man.
00:02:08
Speaker
Yep. But, uh, it's not going work like that. But here, here's the thing, right?
AI in Content Authenticity and Media Literacy
00:02:12
Speaker
In terms of creativity, my my personal opinion is we can't, AI can never be creative. I don't think it could ever, it's not creative now, right? It's taking sources and mishmashing it to give you what you're asking for, but and don't think it's creative at this point.
00:02:29
Speaker
I would agree. think it's just a clever use of algorithms to come up with a, approximation of something based off of averages and and a lot of math. It's, it can come up unique solutions because of that, but it can't come up with creative solutions.
00:02:46
Speaker
Again, the training models are also a big part of that, right? You're just taking content and mashing it up from tens and hundreds of thousands of similar works.
00:02:57
Speaker
Yeah. Like stable diffusion kind of stuff. Yeah. And there's a lot of, there's a lot of legal ramifications from that. and, and There's also the but content considerations, right? There's a lot of it out there already and it's only going to get worse. Especially now that photos and video have really entered the the AI domain this past year.
00:03:18
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Have you watched an AI video? Like the older ones or the more recent ones at all? Last one, I remember there was a podcast that someone mocked up if like Steve Jobs was being interviewed by That was like a year ago and made a simulated conversation. Obviously, one of them has passed away and and then you it was rough around the edges. But that was ah even past year. I'm sure it's leaps and bounds better.
00:03:51
Speaker
I've seen some really crazy ones. They they almost seem like nightmares. they're all not Yeah, exactly. That's it. So the the ones that you're you're talking about, Chris, is like um where they're doing a good like banter back and forth with like um using the language and the speech and then kind of doing some clips and stuff, but like full featured videos where it's like doing some – it's all like – dogs with foreheads eating each other's necks. And like, it's terrifying. It's because you can't really tell in a dream, everything blurs together.
00:04:26
Speaker
is that safe? Is that not safe? It's like, it's all nightmare rocket fuel. It's insane. Yeah.
AI in Medical Diagnostics
00:04:34
Speaker
And it goes back to your original point. I think algorithmic,
00:04:41
Speaker
algorithmic tools do have purposes, right? I think you're seeing a big, a lot of work being done the medical field for assessments of radiology tests and been insanely successful.
00:04:53
Speaker
You know what? You should have an error rate of 30%. It goes down to like low single digits using some of these technologies just because they can process that much faster and having hundreds of thousands of things feed the algorithm. So it does its job better.
00:05:07
Speaker
um yeah those are good applications this technology. So you can't just throw the baby out with the bathwater. You have to, you know, there's going I think there's a lot of bad on the creative front. There's just a lot more noise to get heard above as a, guy as a creator. I mean, I think ru that's where you're coming from also.
00:05:23
Speaker
Absolutely. Absolutely. And as a creator, we should be cognizant of all these things and try to push back as much as we can. Right. No, I talked about um adding some kind of, you know aside from YouTube's or Google's kind of checkbox where it asks you if it's AI generated, I talked about having my own AI, you know, anti-AI kind of labels, like, you know, just like an X through. It's like none of this was used.
00:05:49
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No AI was used during the process of this video for the script, for the assets. This was all my creative, my creativity. yeah i've got that I've had that in front of my podcast for all of 2024, pretty Mm-hmm.
00:06:03
Speaker
Just, you know I heard actually it was right after I heard that, uh, that one mock podcast i was talking about before. was like, ah, I see where the ball is going. Let me just get in front of this. I think there's going to be a lot of pushback going for like in the future. We're adopting it so easily now it's something new, but once it starts to take root, like truly take root, because a lot of average, the average person doesn't know how to use AI to be honest.
00:06:25
Speaker
Like you talked to a handful, I talked to a handful of people and like, I don't know how to use it. um But once it really takes root in the next decade and it becomes commonplace, there will be pushback.
00:06:36
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I guarantee you there's going to be pushback. Yeah. And and there are there are watermarking tools out there that are continuing to get better and better as well. but But that doesn't always get as publicized as much. But I think you'll be able to go back and look at a lot of work that was AI generated and that watermarking should work. But I'm always holding out hope. 100%, right?
00:06:56
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yeah i mean Earlier this year, I was also just deep into the AI research ah area. A lot of the documents of actual intelligence that can derive from this stuff just because I was writing a novel for kids based off the dawn of artificial intelligence. but um you know All the AI fan was thrown away.
00:07:13
Speaker
People have to differentiate. It's not really intelligent. It's an acronym that doesn't accurate accurately describe how these large language models and algorithms work.
00:07:26
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It's another one of those shorthands. covers a wide range of things. they're very even A large language model and and something for like radiology are very different in how they operate.
00:07:40
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and i'm I'm all for like technical advancements. i don't have a problem with that at all. But... as a human being, I, when I see some kind of AI content, I start hearing voices that sound like it, I will immediately close whatever that is, discard it as yeah more more junk in the pile and move Like report as altered content.
Generational Tech Adoption and Media Literacy
00:08:03
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You know how they have like report as spam, misleading, scams, hate speech. They have all these like options in Instagram when you're reporting a person or a post.
00:08:16
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um for the fake news clickbait stuff. I think also the altered content is a bit of the the fake news classifications coming back through again, which in ah in a plethora sea of just mediocre AI-generated information and news – just you know mediocre mediocre ai generated information and news It's good to know what's fake, what's altered and whatnot. But it'd be cool on YouTube. You have like a button, like a tab, like two tabs. You have like real people and altered content.
00:08:51
Speaker
Yeah, but. It's like you would filter it all out. there There's, I'm not trying to be ageist here, but I think the three of us obviously are are older and have more media literacy than most people. I think there's a lot of kids that it's not taught in schools.
00:09:07
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I mean, there's not a lot of awareness even in the general public, I think, of people. how these technologies work and and how to even discern that, right? like there are kids now that are just being raised on this crap and do not have the literacy to understand the difference.
00:09:23
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So it's almost like they're being indoctrinated to a world where it's just, they're used to the noise.
00:09:28
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So I think, yeah. And
00:09:34
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it's weird. I think the problem there's, there's maybe a bell curve where I think it's people in that kind of, I'd say early to mid thirties, maybe to, mid to late forties that kind of grew up with the technology, know, this evolution.
00:09:46
Speaker
I think on the, on the, yeah the older end and the younger end, you've got two different problems, but terms of AI just warping their perspective of reality. Yeah. That's a good point.
00:09:59
Speaker
I'm not trying to be ages like two to define. It's just, I think that there is a a certain subset of us that just kind of just seeing this evolve as, as we've grown up as well.
00:10:10
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Mm-hmm.
00:10:14
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Yeah, we also have like an opportunity to help younger generations like no other generation um because we've seen it come from like BBSs and 56K modems all the way up to, you know, DOS games and like, you know,
00:10:36
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And then we have, like, they've grown up in a, like, if I show them something that 480p letterboxed, like a VHS or a DVD, they're like, why?
00:10:47
Speaker
i can't even watch this. It's like, they're so silver spooned with the quality of, like, the video games. Like, used to play this, Dad? I'm like, um like yeah, man. Yeah. It's a state of the art.
00:10:59
Speaker
Yeah, this is like used to hover around some older teenagers in the arcade and like look up at them in awe for their ability to just win against others on a single quarter.
00:11:12
Speaker
And then now it's like on your phone, the whole um kind of casino freeware game with just like destroying society because, oh yeah, it's free, but then gotta keep on adding money into the game to buy little micro transaction, like a thousand dollars.
00:11:33
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um and In less than two generations. It's yeah. Yeah.
00:11:42
Speaker
Go ahead. Yeah, can keep going. Sorry. Yeah, so and then even the older generations that didn't grow up with any of it, um well, they did, I guess, if they're older than us, but they they have an even better um opportunity or, I guess, equal opportunity that we do to teach younger generations about education.
00:12:02
Speaker
The true form of happiness, which i' really feel, and I think we all feel like, you know, when you doom scroll Instagram for five minutes, you you hate your life, so to speak, after because it's just, it drains you um from like a mental perspective and all this stuff. Like you'd never feel good after using your phone for a long period of time or screens for a long period time, as opposed to, um you know, going for a jog and, you know, being outside, like that kind of stuff. They have this like interesting opportunity you teach younger generations about the true form of happiness, which I think will be eventually like brought back through reforming the... like I think the kids won't stand for it for a long time.
00:12:43
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everyone Everyone knows we're walking around like zombies, and for the most part, we know that it's not entirely sustainable into the next like foreseeable future. I don't think anyone could say that they don't understand the risks now.
00:12:56
Speaker
I think that's, that's clear. I mean, I'm hearing, we talked to other parents, you're seeing laws go into place. You're seeing a big pushback. You're seeing parents really desire more analog experiences for their kids. Cause that's what we had growing up. I mean, I know I'm doing that with my kids as well. Same here, you know, board games, books.
00:13:12
Speaker
I know, you know, I think that's partially by the first, first place I remember seeing this and driving the point home was a vinyl and the popularity of the last couple of years. Hmm.
00:13:24
Speaker
I don't think something like that really part of it's a nostalgia factor and that happens every, every couple of decades, you know, you go back to the nineties are big right now, right? You you can see the ads and whatnot, but I think there's just a desire to go back to those analog parts of life.
00:13:42
Speaker
Yeah. can It's kind going to keep a tune a record. And it's going to keep happening, right? As the technology evolves at this rapid pace, people are going to want that. you know, that analog life. I mean, it's it's very appealing.
00:13:56
Speaker
I know when I you know bust out my DVDs, although they they are not analog to digital, but compared to instant streaming, it's it's such a pleasure.
00:14:08
Speaker
Yeah, it's a different experience for sure. The only thing missing is the rental store. Yeah, it was one of my first jobs, blockbuster video. I loved it. I was like so happy to get in there.
00:14:19
Speaker
um I just talk to people about video games all day long and like they're they're just like, man, I just want to get out of here. you like You're so passionate. I mean, let me leave. um I was I was talking to people in the game section.
00:14:32
Speaker
There's enough movie buffs to, you know, one of those blockbuster jerks, man. I worked for an independent store where there's a blockbuster out the street. i mean, only reason my boss probably stayed in business with the adult section, but that's those are stories for another pod.
00:14:45
Speaker
Yeah, well, i they say like exactly. That's like the not safe for work version of the Coldplay Culture X or Coldplay X Culture. But like, yeah, the what is it? 70% of the internet is like that stuff anyways. I mean, like it is, I know we don't talk about it. This is like taboo for whatever, but at the end of the day,
00:15:04
Speaker
it is so prevalent for, you know, society to actually maturely bubble it up. But I guess we e can't because of the kids and multiple other reasons at this point. But um I would have worked at an independent video rental store if I could.
00:15:17
Speaker
and just got the opportunity at blog. I wanted to work at jumbo video. I'm not sure, but they they closed those downs. You'd like walk around and there's like popcorn everywhere. Yeah. Just felt like a, like a teenager's bedroom.
00:15:29
Speaker
Yeah. Those are good days, man. Yeah. Those are good days. There's a bunch of old guys reminiscing about video stories. Yeah, getting getting back to the old, like getting less new age and like getting back to the
AI Tools and Their Applications
00:15:45
Speaker
whatever.
00:15:45
Speaker
um In terms of like AI, like there's like, have you guys seen Bolt.new? I think it's called. If you go to Bolt.new, you just say, hey, I want, I don't know, this website that does this stuff.
00:15:59
Speaker
And it will build it out and show you and you can interact with the UI. But at the end of it, you can host it on a website and log in. Like it's basically here it is and it's done. Right? Like that's pretty cool.
00:16:12
Speaker
um And then it's getting better and better in that regard. But a lot of people also haven't heard of like Claude. Like everyone's like ChatGPT, whatever.
00:16:23
Speaker
um And people don't pay for the the full one, and they should, because it will literally give you the wrong answer on the non-paid one. Like, it happened multiple times from a programming perspective, from a, like, just simple question perspective.
00:16:39
Speaker
um Maybe not as much, but. So, what is Claude? Is that Google's? No, Google's is Gemini. Anthropic. Yeah, no I've never heard that. That's what I'm saying. It's like, and and then, so for example, um it was like earlier this week, there was like a, you know, ah RFP request for proposal for like, you know, all the different government bodies put out these things all the time where, you know, the team was able to crank out a ah RFP in two hours with the use of Claude, but not only generate the full requirement, timeline, costing budget, everything involved,
00:17:14
Speaker
with the information from the ah RFP, but also put together a full end-to-end usable solution that's clickable. So we you know obviously we did video and watermarks because they won't you know they might not log in and all that stuff, but that is still going above and beyond for...
00:17:32
Speaker
what I believe is and every other software company that's bidding on RFPs, giving actual working demoable videos that are, they're just looking for, you know, Hey, here's a, if we had an off the shelf solution for sure, but it's, we've taken the time to code the actual proof of concept and interact with it and give a video.
00:17:54
Speaker
So We got a kind of a re-response to that. And they said, put in an addendum out. And if you look at the addendum, they kind of wanted every other company to do what we did, but they didn't say that.
00:18:06
Speaker
So number two out of 30 companies right now. So using AI, I guess, um you know, professionally correctly, not to, um but to, to, to review, let's say 40 page PDFs.
00:18:23
Speaker
to kind of get some of the key information points and requirements and things like that. um That's crucial. That's like taking three salaries into one and you do have to review a lot, um but it puts you more into the reviewer than in the, in than the doer.
00:18:42
Speaker
Right. Yeah. I mean, for tasks like that, it makes sense. Right. But none of that involves any type of creativity. It's just monotonous, yeah It's a fancy calculator, right? I mean, the calculator makes math a lot easier to do, but it doesn't mean you can start going and solving very complicated equations and problems using math, right? You can do the busy work. You can do the raw, you know, it's, it's you still have to know how to set up the proposal. You have to know the why behind it. If you're really going to do good work.
00:19:18
Speaker
Yep. So, it's just another tool. And yes, yes, yes. It's just another tool. And it always has been. Yeah, no, I know. And I think that there is a, there is a, it's completely different than, yeah you know, how we see it.
00:19:33
Speaker
No, but it's, listen, if you want to use these tools to get by without having to do any kind of hard work, you're going to be hurting your career long-term, right? You may, if you're younger, I mean, don't go into fields that can be automated that easily.
00:19:47
Speaker
Right. If you're, Proposal writing, you know yeah I think a lot of that, yeah, can can be done by computers. And if you're a company that you're looking to spend one resource instead of three, yeah, it makes total sense.
00:19:59
Speaker
um So you know but you know that's the big advice is just be careful what you go in for because again there's a huge shortage of what traditionally it's called blue collar job because there's there's tons of opportunities out there.
00:20:17
Speaker
a computer is never going to be able to fix your pipes or repair your car. least, yeah, like my build your car. But yeah, like until those Tesla bots and those Nvidia bots, like start choking our cats and stuff like that when they have a bad line of code, like how from what's called something Odyssey or 2001 a space odyssey stanley cuba's master so i had some ah i had some of the sprinkles of the sentence and um but yeah thanks for helping out finish that one but yeah you know like a shockn that sentence out there yeah here's all the pieces and i have a bunch i have a crew of guys that will come and pick them up and fill you in on the rest but me i have to leave because i have an appointment of
00:21:03
Speaker
Probably saying other similar weird sentences that that people don't understand. But yeah, I'm happy to be here. And what? It's like a more drunk version of like a politician.
00:21:15
Speaker
But no, my mind's normally way ahead of than what my mouth can do. um Anyway, so back to the creative video part. um Yeah. I got an ad, an email, an email or an ad. Something came up where yeah this this site, yeah, was an e-ad. It basically creates 100 videos or it can push out 100 AI generated videos per day onto YouTube. So you pay for a service, you can pump out your 100 videos per day. And I guess the more you pay, the higher it goes. And the less you pay, you get like 10. There's tiers, right?
00:21:48
Speaker
but Can you imagine 100 videos? um you know, AI generated YouTube videos being pushed out for a day on this channel. In other news, the pro-play culture has been canceled because of the following reasons. It's like, but they're, and they're sounding less robotic. They're sounding like real people.
00:22:06
Speaker
No, but I think a pace again, i i would have to give some faith in YouTube. Obviously have, you know, with Google having invested so much in this technology, they're going to, they're going to have, measures in place to prevent that. You say, oh, 100 videos well that quickly. They wouldn't, right? So long as you tick that box that says altered content.
00:22:24
Speaker
None of that matters. Yeah, but there's sure thats there's certain things, especially when they start paying money out, I'm sure they'll be catching that, right? There's got to be some process in place before they start turning on monetization for somebody where they go back and check. The thing is, they don't they don't care.
00:22:37
Speaker
Their whole thing is, can the ads run on this? Can ads run on this video? If ads are a you're green, they're the rest is gravy, man. They do not care about how many you push a day. They just want that green check mark and be advertiser friendly because they're making money at that point.
00:22:50
Speaker
Yeah, money is the right money rules. at the end I think you're allowed to push out more than 100 videos per day. They just have to meet those those guidelines of, oh is it ad friendly? And if you hit that check mark for altered content, there is no they can't do anything about it.
00:23:05
Speaker
But yeah but it's crossing that they will, but they'll continue take in the money for now, but they will slowly start saying, hey, no, this is like really good content. It's not like shovelware for all the countries to get money out of the US or whatever, right?
00:23:23
Speaker
It's also, if the platform becomes unusable because of that kind of bloat, you're going to start shaving losers off, right? Absolutely. Like a Kickstarter and stuff like that. And Indiegogo, those were like complete, it was a complete mess.
00:23:37
Speaker
Good idea, good concept at first, but just turned out to be a complete disaster, right? I'm not even sure if they're still running or up. Kickstarter? Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's still thriving.
00:23:49
Speaker
Yeah. i still find I still, I mean, I only fund projects with people that I know and trust personally. i see nothing mean, that's that's my general rule for almost everything anyway. i do business with people I know. um That's where a lot.
00:24:04
Speaker
you guys in the US have like change.org? I think it's like for petition signing. Yeah. yeah That's worldwide, right? I think. yeah I guess it's an org.
00:24:16
Speaker
Everyone's in on the orgs.
Amazon's Missed AI Opportunities
00:24:18
Speaker
Guys, can we talk about how Amazon amazon dropped the ball on ea but alexa like how did they not like it AI they not use their flagship AI?
00:24:32
Speaker
I shouldn't say AI. Their flagship assistant and turn it into an AI system. Because they focus so much on the hardware, right? They invested so much money on getting the devices into homes at basically loss leaders. And then they weren't being utilized because people started getting really keyed into the fact that there's privacy concerns.
00:24:49
Speaker
And i mean, that they're Amazon and Amazon is not exactly known for being concerned with their users' privacy and data. yeah and there' That was the culprit. Yeah.
00:24:59
Speaker
So they were just hemorrhaging millions and millions of dollars a year. i mean, at a certain point that, That's going to limit your ability to innovate. but Right. Now, it' just be in the US, you can add ChatGPT4 to your Amazon device. and i'm going to say amazon Amazon device from here on out so people's things don't go bloom if they ever listen to the podcast. I always can remember that.
00:25:23
Speaker
The answer is I just don't have any of that crap of my house. I have it um on my fridge, and that's pretty much it. Yeah. Yeah. The whole internet of things, you know, the promise of that, right. At some point they were putting by didn't have like a buy buttons. You could put it like on your, industry you running that's kind of smart though. Like I know that they were like pretty out there, but if you think about it, the moment that you know that you need it, you don't want to add extra work. You just want to be like,
00:25:49
Speaker
order toilet paper and or whatever but if you have like right where the toilet paper thing is maybe it's like a big cylinder that you load up and you only get like four pez dispensers per like whatever visit and then there's a button there and then it just comes the next day it's like it's a bit it's a bit of a fancilization isn't it like you know press hey press button get banana like At certain point, like if they've already got it down to two swipes and by now, like yeah it's probably one swipe and a click at your eyeballs. like Well, so for me, the fastest way I can get stuff out is with my voice, especially like if I'm mousing all day and my wrist hurts from phone usage and stuff, like I have like chronic pain in my right wrist, right? i'm like
00:26:32
Speaker
Anything I can do to not use my phone is good. But those buttons were like, people are like clicking them like crazy. um And at least when you do voice ordering on your Amazon device, it asks you for a pin code.
00:26:48
Speaker
So your kids can't order like a bunch of MetaQuest. Yeah. But honestly, for me, I'm doing everything i can to get out of that whole environment anyway.
00:26:59
Speaker
Yes. Right. I think, you know, where you were talking about DVDs and other things like that. i mean, I know you're more on the on that side of content from a creative a standpoint. A little more so. I mean, I do, you know, there's certain aspects of streaming and things that are nice, but not having to buy everything from Amazon.
00:27:18
Speaker
like There are choices out there. You can support friendly local game stores. You can support your smaller independent stores. i think there is a there is a pushback towards that. And listen, there are times where it's really convenient. I need a very specific battery to get my security system up and going for tomorrow. Like, yeah, it can be nice to have that 24-hour Yeah.
00:27:38
Speaker
yeah It's a weird, it has it. Yeah. And that's, it's both a blessing and a curse. It's nice to have that, know, everything company that can just get you what you need in 24 hours. But at the same time, is that, that convenience worth everything else that comes with it?
00:27:56
Speaker
Yeah. Not always, man. I mean, do you like, so you're at a toilet paper, right? You know, you take a shower. you know You can wait. yeah Yeah. Well, but's it's the same company that's screwing creators, right? its that You know, Audible's got those these programs just really screw authors.
00:28:11
Speaker
Yeah. Right? It made environment worse. Who's the author in this point? Like the person on the toilet or the toilet paper? like Like I'm trying to like relate it back to that one there. I'm like... where we saw toile Amazon's making more money than the person that spends two years writing a book, but yeah. Okay. Fair enough. Yeah.
00:28:26
Speaker
Because of just margins, mass distribution, like just saturated markets, dominance, monopoly. it's It's, it's people not wanting to pay the margin for creative effort.
00:28:43
Speaker
Right. People. And that's and na's the damage with streaming as opposed to a When you had a product that you could sell and had sales numbers versus a play on a podcast or a stream or an audio book or ebook, you having that tangible product.
00:29:02
Speaker
It meant something. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. But, but they they've got the physical products with margins so damn tight already yeah because there is, I mean, it's, Amazon is the marketplace, If you're not there, like people aren't, you know, you're just getting rid of such a large subset of your potential market. Like you don't have a choice.
00:29:21
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yep
Physical vs Digital Media Ownership
00:29:23
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It's quite sad, man. And it goes back to the video game conversation we had, you know, buying physical and digital media. You don't own that digital media. They shut down their servers. You're, you're done.
00:29:32
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You lose your purchases, right? I know PS3 purchases. I can play them on my PS3, but. you know What if I don't have internet anymore? Whatever whatever it is, like I don't have the physical disc.
00:29:44
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I can't resell it to my friends. um it's The ownership? can't resell it to my friends. I can't resell it. yeah I can't let somebody borrow it. But yeah, you don't have ownership.
00:29:55
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They're so weird. There's one of the games, dude, I think it's like Minecraft or Minecraft Legends or something that came with the... ah like You can just download that and get it. but like when you put in the disc...
00:30:08
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if you put it in the the first time you put in the disc on an account that's never bought that game, it doesn't have a registered license, it puts the entire thing on the hard drive.
00:30:20
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You could play without it if you bought it from the store, the exact same file. But because the first time you put the disc in the drive, it associated the license with the disk license.
00:30:32
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Literally on the disk is like 10 kilobytes, and it's a license file, right? Like that's what I'm kind of thinking because it's like it it doesn't install it from the disk. It might. I mean, like um I'm kind of throwing out a lot of assumptions, but it's like literally put the disk in. I'm like, what? Yeah.
00:30:50
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But I, on this, I do, I did buy it online too, just to like, see, I'm like, does it work? I'm like, no, and luckily, know, you can refund. you know You know, like Sony, know a couple of years ago, Sony tipped the scales of online purchases, digital discs. It was over 50% on the PSN store.
00:31:10
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So their market is now more than 50% digital, but Nintendo, like, yeah I don't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure Nintendo, it's the opposite. Like people are buying physical discs. That's why they stay at 80 bucks per game, right? They never drop in price. I seen it once. First party, yeah. Super Mario Day where, you know, Super Mario games were like 50 bucks.
00:31:31
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But never do they drop to the level of PSN's games, man. ah they hold And never see a 75% off. It was because people want the physical, right? Maybe it's just.
00:31:46
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I don't want to make assumptions. Collector culture has also gotten a little crazy too. The pandemic gave out it gave that rocket fuel. but When I see like an old video game in a box in a glass case with like
00:32:02
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you know, quality ratings that you can't open it again.
AI in Gaming and Development
00:32:05
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it just boggles my mind that people are spending all this money for crazy collectible items like that. Okay. So on, on, sorry, go ahead.
00:32:16
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No, go ahead. On AI and video games. Cause we, we went deep into, um, um just like physical media. You know what I mean? We're afraid of robots. We're afraid of robots. We like physical.
00:32:31
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You like digital? Well, I don't do digital. It's like, what you got against digital, Grandpa? don't know what it's going to be like. Yeah. Like, it's like... um yeah I'm getting ready for that war. yeah There's like a pretty cool, like, oh, here we go. Logan's going to talk about his dongle.
00:32:48
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But like there's a cool HDMI dongle for Nintendo Switch. It works for other things, too, even though they they sell it for Switch. It's like $200, but it will literally, um as the HDMI is coming through the you know the Switch, it will up-convert it with AI like on the fly to like four k But you can tell that, oh my, like you can do a before and after. And there is serious noticeable, like, I like the idea of like AI being used to speed up the development time of AAA games to bring back remasters into like a better, you know, more crystal clear light with having half the staff, but you're not really, you know, changing the game at all. You're just kind of automating a lot of the stuff that you would do manually.
00:33:39
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It's beautiful to see that happen. You know what would be a good use of AI, ah these large language models, is plugging them into old games, doing some remaster, but adding and changing the dialogue to be AI dialogue. So it's a little more just a little more dynamic and You know, it' it'll be the same game, just AI dialogue.
00:34:02
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So they're kind of plugged into that. That would be awesome. That's a good use of i mean more more more reactive. You're talking about kind of some of the old school like text adventures and stuff. Yeah, like take Zelda, you know, a link to the past. Just plug that into an AI LLM and just have the dialogue be completely AI driven. Yeah, for all different. The new Zelda game, they should probably use it because it would be better than the crap they wrote.
00:34:25
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Oh, dialogue is atrocious. Are you talking about Breath of the Wild 2? No, the new one we play is Princess Zelda. Oh, sorry. I was talking about a link to the past. No, I know. love that one.
00:34:36
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Oh, my God. You're playing it, too? like Oh, man, so good. I thought that it would be like a little weird to play as like, and okay, I'm normally a dude with a sword, but now I'm like not a dude, and instead of a sword, I have to i like make beds.
00:34:51
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It was like it was like really weird, right? But it's so good. Well, the game is Zelda. Yeah, you get to play. But when you want to actually like do stuff, you have to like transform into like form is a little like, right?
00:35:03
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Really? Yeah. if you got If you want to do stuff, you become Link. And if you want to make beds, you become Zelda. Yeah, it's it's got sexism written all over it. But it's a remaster from the GBA like days. Oh, okay.
00:35:14
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No, it's not a remaster, though. It's its own standalone game using the same remaster tech they used on the old one. But, like, yeah I don't need to be dragged through the story by my nose with, like, just terrible dialogue. And you're yeahre just clicking through, like, the story sucks.
00:35:26
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Yeah, they don't have, like, a rapid skip. um But, no, it was a GBA game, right? Like, was sort not a remaster, but it a remake with that engine. But it was a but was a GBA game, I think. Yeah, Link's Awakening, I think.
00:35:38
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Yeah, but then they I think they must have added stuff because there's some weird stuff in there where it's like, that couldn't have been in the original. But so good. All right, guys.
Ethical AI and Anti-AI Movements
00:35:50
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So here's the thing.
00:35:51
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Will you guys join the anti-AI army or no in the near future? Are you guys going to lead it? Will you guys join us? Yeah. Like members, pro you want to join the club? Let me put the link. I'm pro like ethical use of AI, but I'm definitely on the band.
00:36:09
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I'm definitely got AI on the IV right now. All right. ah you're um You're completely plugged into the matrix. What about you, Chris? No, I think it's, I hate the term.
00:36:20
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I I'm down for using algorithmic type tools for very specific use cases. Yeah. But in terms of, you know, just throwing AI on something and, and,
00:36:32
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Having it, especially in the creative realm, um I'm very much dead set against it. I've you know seen that again with my, I've put AI statements on things. I think you're going to continue to see more and more of a pushback on fit for physical media.
00:36:44
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Right. Would you let it, I think providence, I think providence of a work. It's one thing that, you know, again, keeping honest people honest, but i think you're going to see even more people want to see, you know,
00:36:55
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you finding ways for certificates of authenticity, authenticating that if you're a real human, absolutely everything from phone systems through to the art itself. But I will always be on the lookout and and promote tools that help that part of it, yeah know the the the pushback against Yeah, same here, man.
00:37:15
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ai and And there's going to be more of it in the coming and coming years. I'm pretty sure of it. So, and I think it just comes down to trying our best. I mean, it's part of, i guess, our platform here, but of educating people to be more literate on what they're getting out of technology, how to differentiate, like, oh, that's fake.
00:37:34
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Yeah. um And you're going to see it in some, so you lot worse before it gets better. So i think the only people, if you do have that skill set, know, whether it's being in your organization, your family, just helping to train people on what's most' legitimate or not, like question your media.
00:37:50
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Absolutely. If you guys could have a robot in your house washing dishes. Yeah. Laundry. but Clean the toilets. No, no, I don't have, I don't even have. and Logan. no Menial. times Housekeepers come in. I just do it myself. and It's part of being a human.
00:38:06
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Clean up after yourself. well yeah I don't know. us Sway. What do you think? Like, do you think that there should be robots that go into people's like houses and like clean the toilets? Like, what's your thoughts?
Robots in Household Chores: A Light-hearted Debate
00:38:19
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Having robots that clean toilets could be pretty handy, especially for those who find it tough to keep up with cleaning. What about you? Would you welcome a robo cleaner into your home?
00:38:31
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I don't know. I like to do physical activity around the house and it helps me ah skip like the gym. Like, do you guys ever skip the gym because you're kind of doing a bunch of work around the house?
00:38:45
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That sounds like a great way to stay active and get things done. Plenty of people skip the gym when they're getting a good workout from household chores or yard work. Hey, Sway, should we put a bullet in your head?
00:38:57
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but Hey, dude, I have somebody here too. You do? Yeah. Yeah. I think his... I told you that before. His name's Papa Smurf. Hang on a second.
00:39:11
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Hey, Papa Smurf, do you think of AI? What?
00:39:15
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ah rubbbble yeah
00:39:20
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is yeah I'm sorry. I don't know where that joke was going. You that like the podcast did that you um went full ventriloquist on it, but it's like zero. It came in front of my mouth. Anyone listening on podcast, we're sorry.
00:39:38
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yeah Yeah, you can definitely cut that out of the yeah pre-production, yeah pre-post, on whatever the heck. The B-roll. Well, I'm Chris. I'm here with Logan. here with Rui. We've been having an interesting conversation about AI. And stay tuned for the next episode of Codeplay Culture.