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EP 53: Retro Review - 2012 Champions League Final
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Jake and Luke host a special edition of Daily Chelsea as they review the iconic 2012 Champions League final between Chelsea and Bayern Munich, which dramatically went all the way to penalties.
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Introduction: Chelsea's European Triumph
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slide spell sudden death should out over a shot And it's hit the post!
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It's the UEFA Champions League for Chelsea
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so and your name on the trophy Chelsea are Kings of Europe in Bayern's backyard
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Hello everybody and welcome to the Daily Chelsea Podcast.
Revisiting the Champions League Final
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It is a very very special edition here today. um As you may have heard from the introduction, we are going to do a bit of a retro review of the Champions League final. and Not the only Champions League we've won, we are the Chelsea of course.
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um And of course, I'm today joined by, it's not Tactics Tuesday, so it's not it's not logical, Luke. and In fact, yeah, we all think I think we're just gonna be waxing off about the old times, so I'll i'll say i'll go with lyrical Luke, Luke. Nice to have you with me today, mate.
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Luke Charlton
Yeah, it's good. It's good to good to be talking about um a historic night for Chelsea Football Club and yeah, lyrical Luke is excited.
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yeah So am I, mate, it's good to go back to these these old times. I mean, I mean, you know, it's not it's not the only Champions League final. We'll discuss as Chelsea fans, of course, Champions League by the only chance we find one with the own Champions League win. We're going to do we're going to do a few of these. So please sub to the podcast. Keep up to date with us for all of these retro reviews that we're going to do. Starting off with the best of all.
Lineup Challenges: Missing Key Players
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So the final score after fulltime um so and also after additional time as well was 1-1 behind Chelsea. and We'll start with with the lineups because this was, I mean, I sort of remember on the night, Luke, I was worried.
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I was worried when I saw the slight line up and out obviously we we were aware that um we had, you know, issues, like John Terry was out, and you know, we had, I think Ivanovich suspended as well. And, you know, but you you see the starting line up and it's still, um you know, Kalu Bertram left wing. um It was, it was certainly interesting to say the least. um Mate, if, can you remember back to that night, what was your reaction to that, to that lineup on that Champions League night?
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Luke Charlton
I remember, I mean specifically obviously we we all know the circumstances with which John Terry had to miss the game, the the the red card at the new camp and and and all that but the memorable night that we had there, speaking obviously maybe did that in a separate pod to to look back on that evening in particular but um yeah I think we all went into it.
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Luke Charlton
Um, a little bit apprehensive. Obviously you had Ivanovich being told by, I think it was Jeff Shreve's in the post-match interview that he wasn't going to be playing in the final.
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yeah
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Luke Charlton
And you could see the, the, the kind of college ready from his face a little bit. Um, and I think he, hit that was a perfect, uh, indictment for us, but it's how all Chelsea fans felt seeing a back line of Joseph Basingua, David Louise, Gary Cahill coming back from injury, I think at the time as well.
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Luke Charlton
And, and Ashley Cole all started in a, in a champions league final when, um, They'd all played their various roles throughout the campaign to get us there, but I think particularly that back line was certainly not our strongest. And then if you move forward into the midfield, we've got a left back making his debut at left mid in an attempt to counteract the yeah the output of Ian Robin on that right hand side.
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Luke Charlton
um And you've got um not your standard midfield in terms of Lampard and Miquel and Juan Mata. There's a couple of names there that that you maybe wouldn't necessarily see starting per se with Kalu on the right hand side as well. um But obviously when you've got when you've got your old guard there, you've got your drug busier, Lampard's checks and your Ashley Coles, you're kind of the legends of the club. You do think anything's possible. And actually looking at Bayern Munich's lineup, just to counteract that,
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Luke Charlton
They weren't their strongest either, to be to be honest, particularly in the back line. I mean, they had they had um Jerome Boerthang and Timbership playing and in in defense. So it was a little bit mismatched there. But it's quite interesting that this game was actually probably as low scoring as it was, seeing as both sides had a slightly weaker defense, but maybe had enough in attack, you'd think, to be threatening. So um yeah, actually, kind of with hindsight, 2020, it actually looks a little bit more like the defensive side of things, there was maybe a balance in the and the lack of
Underrated Heroes: Bertrand and Luiz
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Luke Charlton
starters. But but when when I first saw that team sheet, I was yeah i was was nervous to say the least.
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Yeah it was it it was it was really interesting to see I mean you sort of yeah as you said at the sense the Bertram was there to sort of stop Robin so I mean Lamb was also very good getting forward himself as well although I think he did take on a few more of defensive duties that night um probably because we allowed him to you know you you know we did I think we did sort of sit back quite a bit we sort of waited for our opportunities to to try and get our chances and you know we'll we discuss you know ah the big moments of the game but you know when it comes to actually when it comes to those big moments of the game they don't really come until a lot later in the contest in fact you know the significant moments in the first half was a was a swine flag a yellow card that came two minutes in
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um and then there wasn't even a substitution until 73 minutes, when Meluda did come on for Bertrand. and I mean, we'll have a quick word on Bertrand, because I think maybe a bit of an underrated Chelsea legend, I suppose. I mean, i not that not the fans don't hold him in in high regard, obviously, being part of that.
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um Champions League win but considering he he had quite a lot to do on the night he he was also expected to you know get forward. and Bertrand did really well for that sort of you know debut in a Champions League final start and start left wing up against Robin Alarm, Schweinsteiger as well. Do you think Bertrand's maybe a little bit underappreciated by Chelsea fans maybe we don't speak about him enough?
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Luke Charlton
I think it's hard because for me, as a fan, looking back on it, ah because it's obviously it was our first Champions League victory, I take the kind of whole campaign into it. So I think about so many other moments and ultimately the 90 minutes, 120 minutes, whatever in the final, it's almost a little bit of a footnote because of the hysteria of the win and and the iconic penalties and the the late job, all that sort of stuff. So there is, it may just go a little bit by the wayside that Bertram was was playing and And ultimately, I think the the biggest compliment you can pay him is he didn't look out of place. He didn't he he wasn't a weak point in the team. And I think for for a kid that had come in for his debut, playing out of position.
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Luke Charlton
ultimately had had one job, I suppose, I should say, to to kind of keep the side ticking over being available in attack. Didn't set the world alight. um i don't i don't think I think we had a lot more dangerous attacks on Kaluu's side from what I can remember of the game.
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Luke Charlton
Just thinking about without having looked at the kind of detailed highlights.
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Mm.
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Luke Charlton
But but he yeah, he you can't really say he he he um he wasn't necessarily a problem for us, and he certainly he certainly did his job. And having Ashley Colen here for the whole game is probably quite useful as well.
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Luke Charlton
so
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's just interesting. and I mean, obviously, we're we're quite a few years on now from from that win, but ah not someone I think about quite a lot, but I'd say most of the other players in that team, you know, even even the singer, I think, I think has mentioned quite a bit, obviously, the singer had a couple of famous moments where rushing to kick on.
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I can't remember who it was, you know, in the corner and and stuff like that.
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Luke Charlton
Yeah, yeah.
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But I don't really think about Trinity much. and You know, he left us and also had, you know, quite a decent career.
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Luke Charlton
Yeah, he's a very solid foot solid player, I think.
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and
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Luke Charlton
and um but I don't know how if he's ever won any other accolades, but for but to to be a Champions League winner, i mean you can't really ask for much more.
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Exactly. More Champions League than Arsenal. So there you are. As as as has rossster Ross Turnbull. and to you know not as any last time and And also, you know, also just a quick mention of one of my favourite players, Luke. I mean, you know, Dropper is one of the best, you know, Lampard, incredible. But with someone I really liked in that game, I just remember him being so passionate and and so intent on winding up by him unit was David Louise.
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And, you know, he he had only just come from Ben Fica a year before. um This is also a massive game for him as well. He was quite young on the time, 24, 23 years old. um yeah And I was just said, you know, had had had that sort of big transfer. There's a lot of pressure on his shoulders and he, you know, took it in open arms. I think that's also why he's maybe you know considered a Chelsea legend. um Someone I miss. what What's your views on David Luisa? What did you think of him in that game as well?
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Luke Charlton
Yeah, he's an, he's an enigma and another reason why, um, he certainly did and indeed himself to Chelsea fans over the years, maybe not even necessarily the kind of first couple of years he was there, but it was, it was, it's later on in his career. He's had some very big moments at a club. Um, and I think at this point, this was.
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Luke Charlton
very much coming of age performance because
Defensive Strength vs Bayern
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Luke Charlton
he he he played at a level that I don't know we knew he was capable of until this game um because he is very erratic, he is very instinctive in how he plays which is why
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Yeah.
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Luke Charlton
you can You can make yourself a fan favourite when you play like that, but you can also feel like you're a bit of a liability if you do it the wrong time. But this is a prime example of he knew the responsibility he had. He's coming in to take John Terry's spot, our club captain, an icon of the of of Chelsea.
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Luke Charlton
and he he's alongside Gary Cahill and they both they both were pretty faultless on the evening I think I think they both did really really well the fact that I'm looking now here that that there was no um yellow cards for any Chelsea players until in the 80th minute is quite is quite a it's quite positive I think to look at it for to say that we were although we were fairly defensive we knew who we were up against one of the best attacks in Europe at at that time um and the fact that that that you've got some potentially rash tacklers in your team that that that we didn't we didn't get any bookings until that point is um is a pretty clear sign of how well we were and how kind of together we were and how focused we were on the task.
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Yeah, 100% agree with you. and And one thing I remember as well, I'm just looking at something here that the the front four of mine were particularly on fire at that time. They had 19 goals in five games in the lead up to this.
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um And, you know, I'm pretty certain at this time by and probably, you know, they would have won their league by that point and were scoring for fun. But, you know, it was a very, very terrifying front four to sort of come up against Robin Miller, Ribery and Gomez.
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And as you said, you know, send it back.
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Luke Charlton
But this this this is a side that the following year went on to win the treble.
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Good.
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Luke Charlton
So I think they this this result, particularly for them in the in the in the manner that Chelsea snatched it from them in their own backyard, was certainly a catalyst for them to go on and go, right, let's actually prove how good we are because
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Yeah.
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Luke Charlton
we We've won the league, but we always win the league. let's We're going to win a Champions League. Oh, no, we didn't quite manage it. Now let's just go and dominate. And it's is's quite, I think, as you say, it's been a while since this match. It's over 12 years now, but you look at it and you go, I think we have to appreciate it even more of the level of performance that Chelsea had to put in to beat a team that good.
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Yeah. 100% 100% agree with you there, mate. Um, well, you know what, we've got the best bits to come, maybe a little bit of horror before that, as you remember, you know, those last sort of 10 minutes in the, in the 90 were very, very hard for us. Um, but we'll have a very quick break and then we'll resume talking about the game 2012 Champions League final. See you in a second.
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And we are back on the Daily Chelsea podcast and it is a very special retro review today. We are, yeah, discussing the 2012 Champions League final. um Me and Luke have just spent the past 10 minutes discussing the peculiar lineups um of of of both side of both sides, really. and And obviously, you know, what that led to in the game, Luke, was, as we discussed, you know, quite tight until very late on in the game and then we started to see sort of, you know, a slew of yellow cards, you know, we'd had that goal from Muller at 83 minutes, which was absolutely horrifying. I mean, there's there's quite a few moments to discuss before we get to, you know, the big one, the dropper penalty. Everyone remembers that. um But how did you feel when that Muller goal went in, considering how how good of a performance, you know, relatively we had we had had up until that point?
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Luke Charlton
I think it was obviously it's a sucker punch because to concede in that way and the way that Czech had been so dominant all night to concede from ahead I think correct me I think he had it into the floor and it bounced up over Czech's arm didn't it and then it either came off in front of the crossbar and went in and I remember there was celebrations and It sort of felt like, oh no, it's another Moscow, it's another one where it's just not quite meant to be. um But there was always something in the back of my mind where this isn't the first time we've had trouble in this Champions League campaign and we've somehow made it through. So I didn't i didn't fully give up hope. it it wasn't It wasn't, as you say, it wasn't like we've been played off the park and we was they were 3-0 up within 20 minutes and we never looked like being in it. It was one lucky moment
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Luke Charlton
um football was so Football is, um there's a reason we love the sport because anything can happen on at any moment. And I knew that if we could just get one chance, that we could turn it around. And and thankfully, obviously, as we'll come on to, we were able to do that. But yeah, at the time, it certainly was, it was, it was just, a oh, God, 83 minutes. It's, it's, it's.
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Luke Charlton
I mean, there are obviously
Drama Unfolds: Late Goals and Equalizers
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Luke Charlton
worse times. The closer you get to the end of the matches, the worse time to concede. But you don't get much worse than having only about five, seven minutes left to go in a game, knowing you need a goal to stay in it.
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yeah it was it was and it was having that sinking feeling again in the Champions League final it was just like you know yeah exactly oh the of the it was horrible um you know in hindsight you know i think you know everything turned out all right obviously um a couple of a couple of small things happened um before the next goal in the match uh luke you know toros came on for Kalu
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Luke Charlton
We've been here before, yeah.
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um whether you think that might be you know a good oven or something like that you can you can you can say but um i wouldn't say so particularly even with Fernando um David Louise uh obviously had that yellow card as you mentioned earlier um and then one minute before the next goal uh buy-in bring on Van Boyton uh for Muller. von Van Boyton well known for being a absolutely huge player i believe he's six foot seven he's definitely off he's either six foot six or six foot seven um and that was not to stop the king a minute later when Drogba obviously rose up and smacked that ball as hard as anyone ever could with his head and put that made it 1-1 to take it to extra time. um
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I screamed, Luke, when that goal went in, ah you know, thought that that was mo probably the highest audible i've I've ever had in my life. and what how ah How did you feel after after that drop of gold? At that point of that drop of gold, did you think, you know, you were saying a couple of minutes couple of minutes ago that you was like, oh, it's that sinking feeling, is it is it just happening again? When that drop of gold went in, with did you think, no, but maybe we will win this, or were you still very, not ah were you not very confident at that point?
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Luke Charlton
just, I have this vivid memory of of being, when it when it went in, I was in like a stunned silence of like my reaction. I didn't scream, but I jumped out of my chair and like 15 year old me embellishing how I remember it being. I was like almost touched the ceiling. But that it felt it felt like that kind of moment of looking back and going,
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Luke Charlton
um my god he's done it like it's just as if he just jumped so I jumped after it scored and and we were all living in that moment for a split second but you've touched on it before about Torres he eat the butterfly effect or whatever the catalyst Bowman actually that substitution was so crucial because he won us the corner which was our only corner we got in the entire game
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Yeah.
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Luke Charlton
we needed one one-matter delivery straight onto Didier Drogba's forehead and we go to extra time one-one so honestly the that the man he scores the goal in the Camp Nou the famous Gary Neville squeal goal and and then he comes in and wins the only corner of the game for us to get through so you're talking about Ryan Bertrand does he is he under underrated Fernando Torres already a folklore legend at Chelsea but that moment in particular is always, it doesn't really get spoken about in the in the same manner because obviously he didn't score the goal but without him it never would have happened.
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Yeah, yeah, 100%. I do forget that he was the one who won that corner. And like you said, Matt Aroney needs to hold it once for a goal there, you know. A couple more and we could have won it a normal time, you never know. Just before we go on to, you know, sort of the next big moment of the game, which, you know, dropped by despite scoring, also gave us another big scare. Because there's only one more substitution after this point, which was on it for a rivalry.
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Were you surprised that some of the players we had on the bench didn't actually make it on? I mean, we we only had two players, you know, come off the bench, which was Torres and Meluda. We had, for me, I was quite surprised to not see Daniel Sturridge come on, you know, as someone who was quite pacey. He was in decent form at the time as well and had a good finish in him.
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um As well as the fact i i I was also quite surprised not see Michael Essian come on I know it was you know coming towards his near the end of his time at Chelsea, but big player very technical um Someone I would have thought would have maybe had the the ability to sort of start this game Although I imagine he would have started maybe in the place of the cow Who did also have a good decent game yourself? And yeah, did you have any surprise of of any of the unused subs that we had?
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Luke Charlton
and At the time, I don't remember thinking that that we should have maybe subbed on others. I think it was just a case of, because you say Daniel Sturridge, yeah, potentially, but but who would he have come on for? I mean, we've already had Bertrand have come off of Meluda.
00:19:03
Luke Charlton
Kalu had played fairly well but obviously he'd then come off for Torres. So I don't really know, we had essentially what Di Matteo would have probably said is our best attack is on the pitch already, so you don't really want to kind of disrupt that flow, um ah particularly when when we weren't looking to to to go from an attacking standpoint, we were we were looking more to have what we held.
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yeah
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Luke Charlton
So SCN may be coming on, maybe, but but I do think on the night Lampard and Mikel were two of our best performers actually.
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Think up very well.
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Luke Charlton
they they They held their own against the midfield of Schweinstager and Tony k Cruz. We know what their careers went on to be like, so you've got it you've got a slightly older Lampard and a Mikel who's been a backup, but a solid backup basically, his entire career.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
00:19:45
Luke Charlton
um they They played some of their best football that night. and So I think, yeah, I mean, the I wouldn't ask for anything different now knowing what we know but you're right I suppose when you look at it and you see who the subs were there may have been some differences but I don't remember particularly thinking at the time oh god why is he not bringing this person on oh we need this got this guy on because the players I wanted on were already on granted they'd played 90 minutes and 120 minutes of football but I I also was then thinking at that point, as we certainly all were, with especially in the second half of extra time, let's just get to penalties.
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Luke Charlton
And you want a lot of the players that are on that pitch, you wanted them there.
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Yeah.
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Luke Charlton
um Maybe Sturridge could have been another one that could have taken a penalty, but but I ultimately think, yeah, that the the best players we had available at the time for that match were on the pitch. so
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Yeah, fair enough. Yeah, I mean, ah I only I only asked because I think at the time I thought maybe I don't know. i I thought I wouldn't have brought my leader on. I think I would have brought storage on, I think, at the time.
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But I was quite afraid with my leader at that point.
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Luke Charlton
Yeah.
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And I think I think you'd not had. And, you know, there was only a year or so off of his actual exit from the club, to be fair. But yeah, I think storage could have maybe maybe got a goal in all the time. But yeah, as you said, you know, in hindsight, I'm very happy about the way I can turn out.
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But but yeah I mean so yeah a couple of big moments uh coming up Luke we'll discuss those um to finish off the podcast but we'll just have a very quick break first and then yes we'll discuss a penalty and then penalties see you shortly.
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And we are back for the last part of the Daily Chelsea Retro Review. We are, of course, talking about the 2012 Champions League final. um And we we've gone into quite a bit of detail and quite a lot, lot Luke. But now we'll get to the the points that pulled in the heartstrings, let's say.
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um you know i but You know, we all felt you know incredible after that drug bar goal to get us into extra time. um Four minutes into extra time. Drug bar gives away a penalty, receives a yellow card. um That was the point I would say I was feeling like, yeah, okay, this is probably done. like we Maybe we shouldn't even be in extra time, really. We're just maybe overshooting ourselves a little bit.
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um Did you think Robin was gonna miss? Did you think, did you think, of of sex say sorry, did you think it was gonna be, um you know, what what
Drogba's Decisive Moments
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what was you thinking at that point? This is very interesting.
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Luke Charlton
I think that the moment where he'd gone from hero to potentially zero in one moment, when he was doing what he was meant to be doing, he was defending, it was just a striker's tackle in an area that he shouldn't have been.
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What?
00:22:57
Luke Charlton
So I can't fault him, I would never say, oh God, what's he doing? He was trying to do the right thing, he just mistimed it, because he's not meant to be in the box, he's out in the box defending attacks.
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Yeah.
00:23:09
Luke Charlton
i think I think that for me was slightly more deflating than even Muller's goal, because we had the high of the opportunity of we're still in this, and now we're going to snatch it away from our own mistake almost. So and that was probably worse. But but yeah, I think i mean that night, as we'll go on bogan to talk about about in in the shootout as well, I think that's got to be one of Petchek's best performances in the Chelsea show and he had many. um But I look at that and go, if anyone's going to stop Robin tonight, if anyone is going to do it on on the planet, at that point, but I think Petchek's got to be in the top three, you'd back to to to be the goalkeeper in that moment so to be able to pull off something that he did. um and And thankfully he went on obviously to do what he did and
00:23:53
Luke Charlton
Yeah, we we we we can we can leave that that drop-up incident as a footnote in history. We don't need to talk about that as much.
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Yeah, exactly. yeah i really yes right yeah i mean ah yeah I misspoke when I said obviously that Robin missed it. It was a petrachic save. It slightly rolled under him as well. and it was just like oh it it was like We could not be any any closer to, I don't know what the line is, whatever the what the line is referencing at this point, but we couldn't be any closer to the line.
00:24:16
Luke Charlton
yeah we we but We were walking along it, weren't we? yeah
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Yeah. And just one funny thing I wanted to mention as well, because that there was there was there was an excerpt from an article that came out a few years, a couple of years after the Champions League um final, or this Champions League final. And I don't know if you know, but obviously the that penalty is facing the Chelsea fans. And just as Robin takes the penalty, someone pushes sort of like a bouncy ball at a beach ball or something onto the pitch. And if it would have landed on the pitch a second earlier, the penalty would have actually had to be retaken because it would have been and that it would have been on the pitch before the ball was struck. so it's So many variables in a night like this and you know I think that's that's the interesting thing about winning a trophy, winning a Champions League trophy which Arsenal fans know nothing about.
00:25:03
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We'll get as many of those digs in as we can. and ah So, yes, the yeah obviously the next point, I mean, Torres gets a yellow card at an extra time, but after that, we head to penalties, Luke.
00:25:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
and again you know Chelsea just playing with our emotions as much as they want to you know the the opening penalty one matter who he was a good penalty taker to be honest you did not not the one so the but the person I would have put on the first penalty 100% I think in this situation um not only just because of his penalty taking but
00:25:34
Luke Charlton
Yeah.
00:25:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
He was a calm player as well. You know, he always had that calm confidence about him, um unfortunately misses. ah Was this that was this, Luke, i'm got this the six time masking you in the podcast probably. Was this the point where you thought maybe we don't win it here?
00:25:52
Luke Charlton
No, I'll be honest with you because I just felt like it was, after the save from Robin in in Extra Time, I just thought we were going to find a way.
00:26:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hmm.
00:26:01
Luke Charlton
I didn't know how and I didn't know it would go the way necessarily it did because we only really needed them to miss one to level it up.
00:26:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:26:08
Luke Charlton
But but but obviously but we know what happens later on the line. But no, at this point I just felt like the odds are in your favour when you go first. I think we we took at the Bayern end, didn't we?
00:26:19
Luke Charlton
I remember that being a bit of war, okay, that's making me a bit nerdy, but but i didn't I didn't, yeah, I think I was more nervous when I saw that David Louise was taking our second penalty of having missed the first one than I was with missed one, because I was just like, look, this is such a night where
00:26:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:26:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
okay Yeah.
00:26:37
Luke Charlton
I don't think buying are going to get five perfect pens. I just didn't, it didn't feel like that. But ah by that point, if you'd asked me if we'd not had extra time saying, gone straight to pens after the 90th minute, and missing the first pen, I'd be like, yeah, it's over, it's done.
00:26:49
Luke Charlton
But because of what happened in extra time and because of the momentum we'd built over the campaign and just the way that, as I say, pet check looked pretty infallible the whole evening, apart from that muler that one moolah shop, I just sort of felt like he's going to save one.
00:26:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
like Yeah.
00:27:03
Luke Charlton
He's going to save like another one of them because you can't have um their best penalty takers take every single one, there is going to be a weaker penalty taker only five, so I think we'll be all right. It was just, as I say, so I was probably more daunted by going, okay, we've got David Louise standing up, not Trevor, but not Lampard, we've got David Louise taking our second penalty after we just missed our opener, so that was probably more of a daunting moment for me than than the first miss, but yeah, it's never nice to miss your first one, but but the amount of times we've seen it where
00:27:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:27:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:27:33
Luke Charlton
You can score your first one and you you get you give yourself almost a false sense of confidence because you've not actually done anything yet. it it it's It's the later penalties that become a lot more kind of deciding either way.
00:27:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
Just go over there.
00:27:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's, yeah, yeah. I mean, you you mentioned, obviously, David Luiz took our second one. I think this is that there's that weird rule about the opening penalties at that point where so you took two in a row or something, because Laab and Gomez then took Bayern's penalties and Luiz replied. Neuer then took Bayern's next penalty, which obviously wasn't that unusual back in the day if you were watching football. But to read that on the team sheet as the for of the third penalty taken for Bayern is a bit odd, their goalkeeper.
00:28:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
um Lampard obviously tucks his penalty away and then it comes up to the substitute Olitch and as you've said Luke better checks incredible performance and and he just gets it absolutely I mean getting guessing it the right way firstly was really was was incredible but to get that palm up as he's already diving um and a adjust to make that save absolutely fantastic um
00:28:36
Luke Charlton
Mm hmm.
00:28:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's then Ashley Cole then responds in kind with another goal and we come down to these those final two penalties. um You know, the clip we had in the intro, Schweinsteiger steps up to take his penalty against Petterchek and you know probably at this point you're a little bit scared of Petterchek and I was looking so close at this point just to try and see I couldn't work out if Petterchek had got a touch on that penalty save that I didn't work out at all and he did get an ever so slight touch.
00:29:01
Luke Charlton
Mm.
00:29:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
puts it onto the post. um
Chelsea's Victory Sealed: The Final Penalty
00:29:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
When that was missed, did you think this was our trophy? Or did you think, considering Dropwood had, you know, he had had a very heroic moment, but he's he didn't have probably the best night overall until this point. You know, maybe but you could say this moment paints over, you know, his performance slightly. um Did you think after Swine Tiger missed, we were we were Champions League winners 2012?
00:29:34
Luke Charlton
I mean, i don't I don't think we could have had a better opportunity than that because it's never certain, you never know, but drug bar, I mean... He was the perfect man to take that to take that final penalty. it was it was It's so written in terms of the moments, as I said throughout like the for pod that we had in the run-up to this final, the goals he'd scored at different points for us when when we needed him, the the the historic performances he's had in finals. People gloss over the fact that maybe he isn't that great at playing in finals, but he'll get you a goal. And that's what you need in finals. You need someone to score. It's not about how well they can actually play in a final.
00:30:12
Luke Charlton
it is it is if they're there at the right moment at the right time to put the ball in the back of the net and i just felt when he stood there only about a yard or two away from the ball to take one step to to just put it in the bottom i just didn't think he was going to miss i really didn't think he was going to miss um and so it yeah it just felt written it felt this was the perfect send-off room it was the perfect way to to kind of wrap up his time at Chelsea obviously he did come back later on and down the line but there was that talk obviously we we knew that he was thinking about moving on and and that and that you he saw his time up at Chelsea and what a way for him to to kind of bow out and I just you just felt all that emotional that kind of rise up as he stood there
00:30:51
Luke Charlton
And it it felt like he didn't even look at the goal. He just knew he was going to put it. He wasn't looking at Neuer at all. It was just literally rolling into the bottom corner. And and yeah, we're European champions for the first time in our history.
00:31:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
what a absolutely fantastic night um and you know the way I look I think what I think after a few years of of the Champions League final happening and and stuff like that and especially after the 2021 final you know where to be honest we sort of played city to a tee and we we deserve to win that final on on the merits of how we played that game and we'll discuss that of course in another retro review.
00:31:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
um But it was it just with the way Moscow went for for us to win it in that fashion, it sort of, to me, felt a bit right. It just sort of felt like that was Chelsea.
00:31:36
Luke Charlton
Yeah.
00:31:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
And, you know, and we cemented ourselves, you know, ah over the next few years, you know, we won the Champions League again. You know, we, you know, as we discussed, but. What an absolutely incredible night. And I think that really did cement Chelsea as, you know, the absolutely huge club that we we know and love today. What a fantastic game to review, Luke. Thank you so much for joining me. um Any final words on our Champions League win?
00:32:03
Luke Charlton
It's just, it's one of the greatest nights in in obviously the club's history, a lot of fans lives. I think that as you noted that the 2021 victory was great. It was, it was, it was an amazing experience for the fans that were able to get there, especially after COVID and everything that had happened. And the club had been through a lot of ups and downs prior to that with transfer embargoes, things like that. So to have that kind of run. And and and and and again, it's it's another one where where we we played a lot of the big boys in the build up to that final as well. And we overcame them and it felt like something was happening. And and and I remember thinking with that final as well, we've been here before and it's such a difference maker. It's such a difference maker for a team that's done it before and that hasn't done it. And I think it's the same for City. City had to go through that final and lose that one to win the one that they eventually did a couple of years later.
00:32:52
Luke Charlton
and And I really think it makes a lot of teams going into a final and not being victorious to then go into another one and know what you've got to do differently. it It switches up that mentality just to just the tad. And I think without this night, without 2012, we don't win 2021.
00:33:07
Luke Charlton
If that's all if it was both clubs first Champions League final I think City take it because ultimately we know on paper they have the best team, they do. We had some, we have some excellent players in that in our team but but we were ultimately relying on a manager bounce that set up a new structure for us and we played a different way.
00:33:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:33:21
Luke Charlton
I won't go into it too much as you said we're going to do a different pod. But, but yeah, this this encapsulates Chelsea football club this 2012 victory because it was as you say it was it was pretty much it was it was poetry almost really in it like we made it hard for ourselves but the players that we've relied upon countless times pull us out of the fire we also then make a mistake to potentially throw it away but another player that we've relied on countless amounts of times pulls out the fire again and then we all get to see Frank Lampard with the armband on John Terry coming down in full kit lifting a trophy that they both wanted all their careers so it was a beautiful night it was a beautiful moment and yeah it's etched in Chelsea folklore as it should be
00:34:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, yeah, yeah, 100 percent. It's it's you know, it's it's not even the only European, you know, Champions League's aren't even the the only European finders we can talk about as charity. It didn't just just.
00:34:11
Luke Charlton
Hopefully we talk about one this season
00:34:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, maybe. Yeah, I mean, just to your point that, you know, as you said, you know, this final wind didn't just put us on to onto onto another Champions League. You know, we won over, you know, European trophies as well.
00:34:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
It was it was about that experience, especially for some of these players.
00:34:24
Luke Charlton
yeah
00:34:26
Luke Charlton
that the
00:34:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
and Exactly.
00:34:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
100 percent. Uh, but yeah, Luke, thank you so much for joining me today, mate. Um, guys, listeners, this will be, uh, this will not be the only retro review. Please stay tuned for us. Uh, we'll keep the retro reviews coming. Um, and please let us know if there's any particular matches you want us to do a review on as well. Um, we will be back this week, of course, you know, with the international break has been here, but that does not mean there's been a break in the daily Chelsea podcasts.
00:34:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
and Chelsea played Leicester this coming week so we will start with a tactical preview of you that all through the week Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. um Again, thank you very so much for listening to us today. We will play you out with the legendary moment that was Drogba scoring that penalty and the Champions League trophy being won and otherwise we will see you next week.