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EP48: Crossover Thursday - Chelsea hosting Arsenal for a big derby on Sunday!
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It is a cross-collaboration with the Daily Arsenal team for your Crossover Thursday, you’re listening to Martin, Jamie and Josh as we preview a huge game at the weekend, Sunday 4:30pm, Chelsea v Arsenal at Stamford Bridge – a match which has, in the past, caused much drama, whether that is Arsene Wenger and Jose Mourinho pushing each other on the touchline, or a red card mix-up between Kieran Gibbs and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, this Sunday's game promises to have more drama.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Hello, everyone. Welcome to the Daily Chelsea podcast. It is a ah cross-collaboration with the Daily Arsenal team today for your Crossover Thursday. You're listening to Martin, Jamie and Josh as we preview a big game, a huge game at the weekend.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Sunday, 4.30pm, Chelsea versus Arsenal at Stamford Bridge.
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Josh D
you
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Jamie
Thank
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Global Sports Podcast Network
A match which has in the past caused much drama, whether it's Arsene Wenger and Jose Mourinho pushing each other on the touchline. A red card mix-up between Kieran Gibbs and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, this Sunday's game promises to have more drama and more fighting.
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Josh D
you
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Jamie
you.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Thankfully, though, all friendly in the GSPN community for now. Jamie, Josh, welcome.
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Jamie
Thank you for having us on
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Josh D
Thank you. Yeah,
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Pleasure, your pleasure. um Before we dive then into this sunday's game specifically let's take a trip down memory lane um any notable sort of memories from this fixture in the past any highlights any lowlights that instantly come to mind for either of you
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Jamie
gone gone josh gone
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Josh D
thank you, You know, it is.
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Jamie
having us
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Josh D
For me, the the biggest low for me is um when Essien smacked it from like from like the middle part of the park.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
oh yeah
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Josh D
and I think now that's time for a bridge. And I think you guys won 2-1, if I'm mistaken. And I'm just from a drop while with terrorizing us.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
to mind for either of you? Oh, yeah.
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Josh D
That used to give you nightmares yeah I used to hate that guy I used to hate that guy honestly for a passion
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Jamie
on. I know you've got something brewing up. Go on, mate. Oh.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Anything Drogba. He holds the record actually for the most Derby goals in this fixture with 13 goals. um Anything else in terms of highlights or lowlight
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Jamie
I think for me, the the low life for me would be Aiden Hazard. Just that one goal, that one goal where he just runs through Arsenal and just, oh, that for me just haunts me, really does haunt me because, you know, no one could stop him.
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Josh D
thanks
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Global Sports Podcast Network
oh yeah
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Josh D
yeah
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Josh D
yeah
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Jamie
It was like Hazard had like just had Velcro on his boots and just the ball would stick to his feet.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
highlights or lowlights? Oh, yeah.
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Josh D
Yeah.
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Jamie
Oh, just ridiculous. But I think for me, the highlight for me would, I don't know if you remember, Jadie, you must do, but 5-3 at Stamford Bridge.
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Josh D
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that that was a highlight. But going back to your low, I remember that he made Coughlin do it like a 360 turn.
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Jamie
Yeah.
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Josh D
Like he literally spanned like he was a ballerina. You know, for some for some reason he had so much strength, like he became Kim Hercules for some reason.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
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Josh D
I didn't get it. But um yeah, the 5-3, yeah, that was that was a nice picture.
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Jamie
Yeah.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Somehow I've forgotten that one, guys.
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Jamie
Absolutely.
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Josh D
Of course you can say that
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Global Sports Podcast Network
ah No, I...
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Jamie
so To be honest, next another game that kind of springs to mind was last season's game, actually. Because even last season, I remember remember sitting at the
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Josh D
oh yeah
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Jamie
Sports Bar and Grill and we me and my girlfriend were there watching the game. And I just remember sitting there and I just thought, oh, that's it for Arsenal. Like, I think it was 2-0 to Chelsea.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
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Josh D
would say that. Oh, yeah.
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Jamie
I thought, right, that's it.
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Josh D
Yeah.
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Jamie
Pack it in now. And and that was it. And then before I knew it, Declan Rice coming in with that with that long-range strike.
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Josh D
yeah
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Jamie
And then before you knew it, um you know, we equalised fairly soon as well and that was it really.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
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Jamie
And, you know, that they're good little memories to have there. But, you know, any win, any really good win against Chelsea, especially at bri at the bridge as well, it does go a long way, especially for the season that we're having as well.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
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Josh D
yeah
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Jamie
It would be great to get a victory over the weekend.
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Josh D
I think we need it
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I think it was Trossard who scored that equaliser for you in the equivalent game last year.
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Josh D
yeah it was trust idea
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Jamie
Yes.
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Josh D
yeah
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Global Sports Podcast Network
um I think also anything with a final has sort of sticks to my mind in terms of this fixture. I think you've beaten us on a few of the FA Cup finals over the last few years, which um has annoyed me, 2017 and 2020, I think.
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Josh D
yeah
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Josh D
need it. Yeah, it was That game.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
But I did enjoy the 2019 Europa League, game, which happened to be a Chelsea remember that fondly, just being Wenger's 1,000th game to have that drubbing.
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Jamie
ah was hoping you didn't bring that up
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Josh D
i Literally, richie I remember I got my cousin's house here. Me and my uncle, all Arsenal fans were watching it. And then I think when you guys, I think when you scored the third goal, he literally got up and said, no, I'm not not watching anymore.
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Josh D
I've had enough now. I've had enough. And he walked off.
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Jamie
and we did yeah.
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Josh D
ah Yeah, we were just, we were never in that game. well And we needed it because we needed Champions League football that season. If we won that game, we'd have got Champions League football. So yeah, not
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Jamie
oh
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Josh D
yep i'm remember that yeah how can you forget
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Jamie
Yeah, exactly.
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Josh D
yeah
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Jamie
ah try not i try I try to forget, but ah how can you not?
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Global Sports Podcast Network
There's been quite a few player switches as well between our two sides.
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Josh D
a good memory. Yep, I remember that. Yep. How can you forget? Yeah.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
I think more lately, it's been from the blue side to the red side. But if we go back to the start, from the red to the blue, you know Ashley Cole, Fabregas, Olivier Giroud.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
A bit more recently, the other side it's you know, obviously you've taken Cech, Luiz, Willian, Jorginho, Havertz and probably latest Sterling.
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Jamie
you
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Josh D
Thank
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Global Sports Podcast Network
um What do we make of that? You know, I'm just thinking of this historical mindset that, you know, rivals, surely you can't trade players, but there does seem to be this, you know, and Jamie, you're very excited for this question, which tells me you've got strong thoughts on it.
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Jamie
Because, because you Wow.
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Josh D
you.
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Jamie
know what? I'm going to let JD, I'm going to let JD answer this. JD, the floor is yours. Come on, bro. Come on.
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Josh D
Put him on the spot.
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Jamie
Come on, because, come on, get it out of your system.
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Josh D
Put him on the spot. You
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Jamie
I had a rant on yesterday's podcast. It's
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Josh D
know what? I wasn't even going to talk about Habits first. He's going to be last on the list I was going to talk about. But all the players that we've taken from Chelsea, they've all been duds. They've all been not good. William, he was overweight, wasn't fit.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
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Josh D
Cech, we had the worst part, Cech.
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Jamie
yeah
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Josh D
Sterling, we've yet to see what he's going to do yet. But for me, he can't even get in the starting line-up. Even when he comes off the bench, you know it's not going to happen to him. And Havertz, that's not a bad sign.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
louise and georgiaoria ah and have it Yeah.
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Josh D
He's a squad player and he does his role for the squad team. So he's not terrible, but he wasn't a guy that was ever going to change the way we play. But Havertz, for me...
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Josh D
I've got a question for you, actually. Would you take him back at Chelsea? Would you put him up front? Would you be your main guy up front?
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. No, I was absolutely ecstatic we got the 60 odd million from you.
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Josh D
That...
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Sorry to rub it in so bluntly, but yeah, ecstatic. No, he's not. He's not worth it. um and to be fair he scored a few goals for you I think this season but I think you're still having the same problem as we were which is what exactly is his best position um and I will never talk too badly on him because he did win us the Champions League and in 2021 with that goal against Manchester City so that that will forever um make up for fraud ah for all the But yeah, I'm not going to lie.
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Jamie
you
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Josh D
Thank you.
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Jamie
you
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Global Sports Podcast Network
I was ecstatic when when he joined you guys for that price.
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Jamie
To be honest with you, I think we've kind of realised now with Havertz that he's and he we can't play him in midfield. I think we've we've known it for so long.
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Josh D
Yeah.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
o
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Jamie
Me and JD, everyone, all the Arsenal boys have said it. He cannot play in the midfield role. He's better off. He is better off in that striker role. But JD, as you say, he just can't connect with the ball, can he?
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Josh D
Yeah, he just can't finish. Even him playing up front, I'm just like... He just frustrates me.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
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Josh D
He frustrates me. I love the Arsenal guys on GSPN podcast. They like him. You know, they really like him. For me, I can't stand him, honestly. Like, I don't know if he's paying these guys to say these things, nice things about him.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
it's if that's If that's your view on one player a switch in Habits, I wonder what your view is on William Gallas, who I didn't mention as another one who made the switch.
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Jamie
I wish.
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Josh D
But I know, he frustrates me.
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Jamie
I wish. ah ready way
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Josh D
Like
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Global Sports Podcast Network
But we won't dig back through through that far back into the history books.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Let's assess, I guess, then where we are now. So going into this game, we we've both played 10 games each.
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Josh D
me he's so frustrating to watch
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Jamie
I really wish.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Are you happy with, I mean, um I think I know the answer already, but to hear it from you, are you happy with the season you've had so far? Arsenal are a fifth in the league and seven points behind um is that ah is that a fair position
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Jamie
I'm I mean, not sure.
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Josh D
um
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Jamie
unfortunately, the the football that we've been playing the past few weeks kind of really sums up where we are in the league. And I think I said it to the boys over the weekend. We're lucky, actually, that we're we're in fifth because um the the commentary team on tnt were saying that if arsenal had lost that game which they did um and the teams around them all won their games we we could have dropped as low as seventh in the league so grateful that we are fifth i know i would love to be sitting up there, you know, it first, second, just meddling around with Liverpool and City.
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Josh D
um
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Hmm.
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Josh D
Thank
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Jamie
But, you know, I think this weekend will be huge for us. You know, we we now know that we need to prove a point. Arteta briefly mentioned it last night, saying that if we play, if I think he said, if we play the way that we played against Inter, we should go and we should go and beat Chelsea.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Thank
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Jamie
But again, you look at the weekend's game and I kind of sit here and think to myself, the questions that I kind of, ah not a concern, but for me is, will we be able to play Declan Rice?
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Jamie
Will Odegaard make another cameo appearance where it's not five minutes long and maybe 20 or 25 minutes longer?
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Global Sports Podcast Network
you.
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Jamie
You know, it's difficult going into this weekend. And, you know, for us, we're we're really keeping, and I mean really keeping our fingers crossed that Cole Palmer doesn't play because it seems like for you guys, it just seems like Cole Palmer hasn't had an opportunity to play against Arsenal yet.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Hmm.
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Josh D
Hmm.
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Jamie
You know, he was missing last in the reverse fixture at the Emirates um could due to injury.
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Josh D
yeah
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Jamie
So it is going to be an interesting one this weekend
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, Josh, you know, why do you why do you think your form has dipped? So, you know, we're saying fifth for now.
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Josh D
Yeah.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
And okay, third is Nottingham Forest. So, you know, with no disrespect to Nottingham Forest, we probably probably do expect them to drop off a little bit. um But just in absolute terms, you're seven points behind Liverpool, five points behind man city so a particularly reason that you can point to
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Josh D
Thank you. Yeah, we can't keep 11 men on the pitch.
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Jamie
an interesting one this weekend.
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Josh D
you know We've had a few decisions not go our way, but you know if you keep doing that weekend week in, week out, you will drop points. And then there's a few performances that's not been up to par. The Bournemouth performance, we were never really in the game.
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Josh D
Even if we did have a guy sent off or who had 11 men, we just wasn't there. Newcastle game, the same as well. Yeah, it's just been a lackluster performance, you know, very lackluster performance.
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Jamie
you
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Josh D
And but to be fair, we have had tough fixtures. I think we've had really, really tough fixtures. And some of the games, we'veve we've done all right. I think the City one were a bit unlucky, you know, last minute. I think guys We've had a few results not really gone our way, but we've been a bit unlucky.
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Josh D
So I wouldn't say we're completely out of the title race, but we really can't afford to drop any more points.
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Jamie
Thank
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Josh D
We can't afford another loss. Three losses in a row, you can't look at that title form.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, no, I agree. um It's kind of been the reverse, I think, for Chelsea, actually. Chelsea, after 10 games last season, were 11th.
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Jamie
you.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
And now after 10 games this season, we're we're fourth.
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Jamie
wow
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Global Sports Podcast Network
We're just ahead of you guys on goal difference. So quite actually yeah ah yeah yeah a reversal in fortunes um on our side, which goes against the drop-off in form that you guys might have had for your start of the season.
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Jamie
Wow.
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Josh D
you
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Global Sports Podcast Network
um Before we move on to the second part of this podcast, just a quick word from one of our sponsors.
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Josh D
Thank
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Jamie
Thank
00:13:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
Welcome back to the Daily Chelsea podcast. I'm Martin and joined by Jamie and Josh for our crossover Thursday, previewing the Chelsea versus Arsenal game coming up on Sunday afternoon.
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Josh D
you.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Gents, a question I had was for both of our sides, are we stronger or weaker than last year's equivalent fixture? So so the one at Stamford Bridge, and I've intentionally ignored the one at the Emirates because that was 5-0 Arsenal.
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Josh D
you
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Global Sports Podcast Network
And I will erase that from my memory.
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Josh D
if
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Global Sports Podcast Network
um But the one at the bridge, bridge which which was was October October 2023 2023, so so pretty pretty much much exactly exactly a a year year ago ago, Chelsea Chelsea 2 2, Arsenal Arsenal 2 2, which which which Jamie, Jamie you you mentioned you mentioned at at the the start Palmer and Mudrick put Chelsea 2-0 up fairly early and then Rice and Trossard scored in the final 15 minutes here was the starting 11 so we'll go first on the Arsenal side David Rea Ben Ben White White, Saliba, Gabriel Zinchenko.
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Josh D
Thank
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Jamie
you
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Global Sports Podcast Network
And then in midfield, you had Jorginho with Rice, Saka, Odegaard, Martinelli, and then Gabriel Jesus up front.
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Josh D
you.
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Jamie
Thank you.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Now, knowing that XI, do you feel you're stronger or weaker with the eleven you think you'll you'll play on sunday
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Josh D
Hmm. I think in some areas we're stronger and some areas we're weaker. I think obviously in midfield, of our older guard, we're definitely weaker. Creativity side, we yeah haven't really got anybody.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
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Jamie
I think, yeah, I think when you obviously look at that starting XI and you compare it to now, um yeah, I'd say that we, if Odegaard didn't get injured on international duty, I would say maybe, depending on the results as well, of course, that we have just maybe slightly, and I only mean very slightly got better.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Jamie?
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Jamie
um My one area of concern for this weekend, and I touched on it um during this week, actually, with JD and a few of the others, is Arsenal's left side.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Thank you.
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Josh D
Thank you.
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Jamie
Now, against Newcastle, I've realised that Timber got really drawn out of his position quite quickly. And I think for Chelsea this weekend, that is going to be a position that they will try and target.
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Josh D
Yeah.
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Jamie
um another kind an area not Another potential area of concern could be Saka against Newcastle. they just They doubled up on him. If Chelsea do the exact same that could cause Arsenal a small issue but I just think if we could have Odegaard or maybe even Ethan Waniere, who we've we've said we'd like to see more game time from him, I think they would really, really kind of push you guys back a little bit more.
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Jamie
but um And I do like Ethan Waniere, great player. And I think it's good that we've really kind of integrated him quite nicely into the squad.
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Josh D
yeah
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Jamie
We've not kind of thrown him in at the deep end of the pool. He's just dipping his toes in and he's just getting, he's just getting used to the feel of it.
00:17:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
Thank you.
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Jamie
And for me, I think, yeah, you look at maybe a potential Arsenal squad this weekend, um providing, say, you know, we have an Odegaard that's fit to play and a Declan Rice that's fit to play.
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Jamie
Don't see how we can't go wrong.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Hmm.
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Jamie
And I think, you know, I think for the Newcastle game, you know, if we, if we again, if we had Odegaard, I think, like Josh kind of mentioned, we've we've missed that creative flair.
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Jamie
And I think Odegaard is that creative flair we've been missing
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Josh D
yeah
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, no, it it promises to be a good showdown. I think on the Chelsea side as well, looking at the the Chelsea starting 11 from this game last season, still Robert Sanchez in goal.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Has he improved over the last year? Debatable. Our defence last year was Mauro Gusto, Thiago Silva, Levi Colwell and Mark Kukurea.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
So obviously the notable there is Thiago Silva is no longer. um So I would say defence-wise, I mean Gusto, Colwell and Kukurea probably will all, ah well, are all still here and probably will play on Sunday, but definitely a huge loss losing Thiago Silva.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Caicedo and Enzo Fernandes was our double pivot. It seems that Enzo Mureska has preferred over recent games a Caicedo with Romeo Lavia pivot, which personally I think works better and gives better balance.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
So even if Enzo comes off the bench, and even though he hasn't you know strictly left the club, I think we're better or stronger.
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Josh D
Yeah.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
To my question, are we stronger or weaker? I think we're stronger this year with Caicedo Lavia than Caicedo Enzo Fernandes. The attacking area is the more interesting one where we had Sterling, Conor Gallagher, Mudrick and Cole Palmer.
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Josh D
Yeah.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
um Now that's changed a lot and you know our transfer window was was much busier than and your transfer window but obviously Ster, Sterling and Conor Gallagher, who captained Chelsea in this fixture last season, they've both moved on.
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Jamie
Thank
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Josh D
Thank
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Mudrick started, but I wouldn't expect to start on Sunday. So I think we're stronger there as well. And Cole Palmer is definitely you know more experienced and more mature a year on, whether he's still injured.
00:19:39
Global Sports Podcast Network
Enzo Morescu was quite coy in in that press conference about whether he would start. um But I'd say overall our are attacking prowess, if I think of this Sunday, probably will be Madueke on the right, Cole Palmer in the middle, um maybe Pedro Neto on the left, and then a Nicholas Jackson, who looks far hungrier this this season than last.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
That probably should set us up sorry in in a better position.
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Jamie
yeah
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Global Sports Podcast Network
So I'm confident, but you just never know. It's it's a fixture which, I historically you guys have won more in actually.
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Jamie
Yeah.
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Josh D
Thank
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Global Sports Podcast Network
I was digging back through the archives. We've played each other 209 times. Arsenal have 83 wins. Chelsea have 66. And there's been 60 draws.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
I guess results predictions, score predictions. Given everything we've just said, I think Chelsea are a little bit stronger.
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Jamie
Wow.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
It sounds like you guys are a bit sort of on the fence of whether you're stronger or weaker, which probably just means you're exactly the same.
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Josh D
you.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
um You know, I think you had really only one signing in Califuri who was the notable.
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Jamie
yeah
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Global Sports Podcast Network
ah yeah You had Marino as well, I think, um towards the end, but really just one or two main signings.
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Jamie
Yeah. Yeah.
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Josh D
Yeah.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Given Chelsea stronger, Arsenal sort of the same, and it was 2-2 last year. You guys must be thinking it'll be a Chelsea win then.
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Jamie
No way, Jose. No way. Nah.
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Josh D
I think it'll be a draw, you know.
00:21:15
Jamie
Definitely not.
00:21:16
Josh D
I think i'll be driving a be at a two two again something about that
00:21:16
Jamie
I
00:21:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:21:20
Jamie
think... I don't know. I think for me, I probably will go... I said it last weekend. I'm going to go 2-1. 2-1 Arsenal.
00:21:29
Josh D
ah really
00:21:29
Jamie
I think, yeah. And if you again, let's go for goal scorers. I'll go Cole Palmer. ah You know what? Your best friend's going to score, JD. Kai Havertz against Chelsea.
00:21:39
Global Sports Podcast Network
Mm-hmm.
00:21:40
Josh D
it'd be a draw. I think it'd be a 2-2 again, something like that. Oh, really?
00:21:43
Jamie
And I think I will go for second goal scorer.
00:21:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
but see
00:21:47
Jamie
I'll probably go.
00:21:49
Josh D
I was going to say Sackaw.
00:21:50
Jamie
Yeah, I was actually going to say Saka. I said it last weekend and look what happened. But yeah, I reckon Saka will turn up this weekend.
00:21:54
Josh D
Yeah.
00:21:56
Jamie
and um Just quickly, I wanted to ask you, right, Martin, I just wanted to ask, since at the start of the season, obviously, you've had quite a lot of players um come into Chelsea.
00:21:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
I can see it. yeah
00:22:10
Jamie
Obviously, Todd Bowie must think he is going to design the next NFL team, the next big thing.
00:22:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:22:17
Jamie
um what is your What's your thoughts and reactions on this Mahusiv squad and how do you think Mareska's coped with having such a big squad?
00:22:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah yeah
00:22:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:22:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Yeah. I'm not going to lie. It's actually really frustrated me because what Todd Bowley and Clear Lake Capital have done is, and you could hear it in their few occasions that they've spoken out to talk about the club, is they think of essentially the squad as a portfolio and then each individual player as individual assets.
00:22:40
Josh D
Thank you.
00:22:46
Josh D
near
00:22:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
And I think they've used that language in sort of any business business I guess they're businessmen so in any business conference I've seen them be in they've literally called um ah the the team the portfolio and then players as assets which instantly strips out all emotion of what a player and a club is because it's basically just a financial digit um I get it because that they are business people so they're just being true to themselves to a fan it's horrible to basically hear that you are cogs in the machine and that's why we've seen the the you know the trevor chalabers the conor gallagher's um almost sort of forced out because academy players pure profit.
00:22:53
Josh D
Yeah. yeah
00:22:54
Jamie
Yeah.
00:23:10
Josh D
yeah
00:23:19
Josh D
Yeah.
00:23:37
Josh D
yeah yeah
00:23:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
And I haven't enjoyed that from a fan perspective.
00:23:40
Jamie
Thank you.
00:23:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's been very um my way or the highway, essentially, from the new owners. They almost want to get rid of everything, um everything Roman, basically.
00:23:53
Josh D
yeah
00:23:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
um And, you know, you mentioned the players and the squad, but if you dig even further, they've changed the groundsman.
00:23:59
Josh D
Yeah.
00:23:59
Jamie
Mm.
00:24:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think they've changed some of the kitchen staff. It's really been a complete, complete 180.
00:24:03
Jamie
wow
00:24:03
Josh D
yeah
00:24:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
And The Athletic have done some good articles on on this, actually. um The physios changed, you know, the the all the medical team. It's it's been a complete transformation of the club. um And, you know, not forgetting, this is a club that won the Champions League in 2020, 2021, I believe.
00:24:19
Jamie
Wow.
00:24:25
Jamie
course
00:24:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
So it wasn't a club that needed um open heart surgery to coin Ralph Ranić once.
00:24:26
Josh D
Yeah.
00:24:26
Jamie
yeah
00:24:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
um But they've taken it to be that, um which is frustrating because you kind of, what you want is a really solid group of of, you know, my best memories are the core of Petr Cech, John Terry, Frank Lampard, Didier Drogba.
00:24:39
Jamie
Of course.
00:24:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
What a spine. Have that core and then build around that.
00:24:54
Josh D
Yeah.
00:24:54
Jamie
Yeah.
00:24:56
Global Sports Podcast Network
And iteratively, you know, maybe two two incomings, two outgoings every year. and That I think is just sensible. What they've seemed to do is, you know, frankly, 30 or 40 out, 30 or 40 in.
00:25:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
That isn't super sustainable. And I think if I think of how their industry works I think they've done it at the start and then they're going to keep with this squad for three to five years um bare minimum so I don't I do think it will quieten down but I just don't like that um essentially the soul has been ripped out a little bit in pursuit of, you know, pure dollar, which, you know, I think, you know, fans inside and outside of the club can see it.
00:25:20
Jamie
Yeah.
00:25:40
Jamie
Hmm. yeah of course
00:25:40
Josh D
Thank you.
00:25:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
It might be a good financial decision and it might be a good commercial decision and it might pay off in 10 years time, um but it's it's high risk and
00:25:55
Josh D
It's a big risk and say it a big
00:25:56
Jamie
Yeah, of course. Yeah, that is.
00:25:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:25:57
Josh D
yeah the big
00:25:58
Jamie
Especially the fact that you've kind of really you've you've stripped back everything. you know Shirt sponsors and and everything else in between, um you've really kind of stripped back on that. and Even with the shirt sponsors, you know it must be it must be equally frustrating for you guys as well.
00:26:14
Jamie
For you know, for Arsenal, Arsenal, we've had Emirates all these years. For other, you know, for other football teams, they've had a shirt sponsor for a few years and it's worked.
00:26:17
Josh D
yeah
00:26:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
it's unknown. Yeah. yeah
00:26:20
Josh D
big wrist.
00:26:23
Jamie
But yet for Chelsea, I think a couple of years ago, you had three. That then ended and then you had Infinite athletic Athlete or something and that didn't work.
00:26:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:26:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:26:34
Josh D
yeah
00:26:35
Jamie
Like, what what's the next steps in terms of like shirt sponsors and so on because I believe Qatar Airways could be a potential yeah
00:26:40
Josh D
Yeah.
00:26:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
I've heard nothing. Yeah, but that was, I think, a month ago. You're right, a month ago, probably there were a few reports of us being in discussions with airlines, Qatar being one.
00:26:51
Josh D
yeah
00:26:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
um But nothing seems to have come from it. I mean, if I'm really selfish as a fan, I actually much prefer. So I've bought the shirt and I like the shirt without a sponsor because it just, I think, looks cleaner.
00:26:59
Josh D
Yeah. It does look nice.
00:27:02
Jamie
Yeah. It does.
00:27:03
Josh D
Yeah, it does look nice.
00:27:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:27:05
Josh D
It
00:27:06
Jamie
Yeah.
00:27:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
Although I'm not going to lie, like Emirates works really well on on your shirt as well.
00:27:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
And I think Samsung works really well back in the day um on ours.
00:27:10
Josh D
took a while
00:27:13
Jamie
Oh yeah, Samsung.
00:27:15
Josh D
a
00:27:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
But at the minute minute without a shirt sponsor it looks really clean but i mean that is what 30 or 40 or 50 million pounds a year that's that isn't coming in because um no one's paying to to be our front of shirt sponsor so that probably just means we need to sell another player, bluntly.
00:27:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
So yeah, it's confusing on the business side, but to coin your phrase, you've just got to trust the process, which I think you guys said for many years about Mikel Arteta.
00:27:40
Josh D
for it to work.
00:27:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
And I'm going to have to say about And frankly, some people will say it's a whole new club.
00:27:50
Josh D
It must be a bit frustrating though, because it literally just came in and just ripped the paper and just started fresh.
00:27:50
Jamie
yeah
00:27:56
Josh D
I thought they were at least getting a little bit of football people in and put their visions out there and slowly get there. But they just done that. You know what? We don't like this. Even though you had a model that actually worked for you guys. They said, no, we want to do something about our own thing.
00:28:08
Josh D
And they just, did this I think they ruined the club a little bit. You know, taking the
00:28:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
um And some bits have been improved.
00:28:20
Josh D
yeah
00:28:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
like it So I'm a season ticket holder and you can you can tell some, yeah I think the branding team are pretty good. Some bits are are really cool and modernized and jazzed up. And that's fantastic to to bring sort of fresh energy to that.
00:28:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
um But does it seem the most cohesive on the outside in terms of transfer strategy from sort of first team coach right through to you know scouting department, et cetera, et cetera?
00:28:40
Josh D
soul out of it, to be fair.
00:28:40
Jamie
you
00:28:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
No, it just sounds like a businessman or business people who just want who want a share of this and want to essentially flip a business um and probably sell it for a profit in 10 years time rather than someone someone's hobby which I guess I got used to for 20 years hey ho final question from me guys.
00:28:55
Josh D
Yeah.
00:29:00
Jamie
Thank you.
00:29:08
Jamie
yeah
00:29:10
Josh D
yeah
00:29:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
um Again, back to so the game on Sunday.
00:29:19
Jamie
Yeah.
00:29:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
They they they say the sort of the table starts to stabilise after 10 games. And we're both, as I say, 10 games in now. So Arsenal, as we're saying, fifth.
00:29:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
um You were second after 10 games last year, actually, with with no losses. Now you're fifth with two losses. um where Where can you guys go from here, do you think?
00:29:40
Jamie
Hmm.
00:29:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
Obviously, it's only 10 games. There's still 28 more. But generally, as I said, you were second after 10 games last year and second was where you finished. So normally this is a good time now to that sort of 10 game mark to sort of assess things.
00:30:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
Fifth wouldn't be an acceptable result for you come the end of the season.
00:30:00
Jamie
Thank you.
00:30:00
Josh D
Thank you.
00:30:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
um where Where can you guys go from here?
00:30:10
Jamie
To be honest with you, I think this game, but it won't be it won't shape Arteta. But the thing is, if we don't win this game, it just only adds increasing pressure onto Arteta.
00:30:19
Josh D
Hmm. yeah does
00:30:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:30:21
Jamie
Another thing that kind of disappoints me about our fan base, because we touched upon it earlier in the week again, is the fact that now all of a sudden, where you know fans are Arteta out.
00:30:33
Jamie
We've only lost three. You know, we've I understand that we've we've lost a few games on the bounce now.
00:30:37
Josh D
Yeah, very
00:30:38
Jamie
But all of a sudden, this is the one thing that actually really frustrates with with our fan base is we'll be like Arteta out.
00:30:39
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:30:45
Jamie
But if we go to Stamford Bridge and win against Chelsea, everyone's going to be like, oh, yeah, Arteta, great manager. Oh, yeah, we'll we'll have him in. We'll we'll keep him in. Well, I'm sorry, but no. You know, it's not, you know, at the end of the day, every good manager will succeed.
00:31:00
Jamie
Every good manager will fail, you know, and at the end of the day, you've just got to support him.
00:31:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
Thank
00:31:03
Jamie
um For me, I would love to see us win the title. I mean, my prediction, ah the boys actually thought I was a bit mad for saying that we would win the title this season.
00:31:14
Jamie
And like you said, there's still still theres still a way to go. But I think we need to start picking up but we need to start picking up now because if we if we start we start dropping off now, it even worries me that, you know, could we even make it into the top four?
00:31:20
Josh D
fickle.
00:31:24
Josh D
yeah
00:31:31
Jamie
Because you look at teams like Villa, maybe even a Forest, a Newcastle, you know, but you look at them kind of teams and you do think to yourself, well, look, you know, they they will also be gunning for Europe as well.
00:31:36
Josh D
Yeah. Nah, not Forest. no' not for i
00:31:46
Jamie
So, you know, we we need to start really picking up the pace a little bit now.
00:31:51
Josh D
Nah, they all dropped full. Yeah, just to add on that, I was speaking to my cousin at the beginning of the season. He was just saying, if Arteta doesn't win anything, once I'm gone, I was like, that's a bit harsh.
00:32:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
Thank you.
00:32:01
Josh D
I think Arteta now, I think we trust the process now. I think he deserved the time to still figure things out. I mean, it's a big ask to even win the league. Me personally, I think we're probably going to finish out of second or third, you know, maybe even fourth.
00:32:17
Josh D
You know, I don't see us, you know, it's one of those seasons where I don't think there's going to be a clear runner.
00:32:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
Mm-hmm.
00:32:20
Jamie
Wow.
00:32:22
Josh D
I think there's going to be a couple of games where, you know, you're going to see Liverpool drop points, you're going to see City drop points, you know, especially with City with no Rodri. It's going to be a rollercoaster season. I think it's hard to call.
00:32:39
Josh D
obviously.
00:32:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
Thank you.
00:32:40
Jamie
Thank you.
00:32:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I agree. And what's for certain, obviously, is Chelsea will finish above Arsenal in the league. And we'll end on that. Jamie,
00:32:49
Josh D
yeah
00:32:50
Jamie
oh my gosh
00:32:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
Josh, thank you very much. um You've been listening to the Daily Chelsea podcast on the Global Sports Podcast Network.
00:32:59
Jamie
Oh my
00:33:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
thanks for being with us and goodbye
00:33:12
Jamie
gosh.