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TTP #19 Johanna Warren on empowering and connecting with communities in creative ways while touring as a musician and an activist
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The inspirational songwriter, actor, herbalist and reiki master Johanna Warren on talking with plants, staying in line with her values while on the road as a musician, connecting with herbalists throughout the US on her Plant Medicine Tour, pushing through struggles with chronic illness and much more
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Introduction to Johanna Warren and the Plant Medicine Tour
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I booked 75 shows, I think, in a couple of months and lined up all of those collaborations with the herbalists. But yeah, I feel like the plants gave me superpowers at that time because I was heeding the call. And I think that is a thing that I've heard from other humans. When you hear the voice in the sky that is telling you to do something, you do it and the road opens and
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And you're granted some kind of supernatural powers. Every one of us has this in some way. We have some kind of blueprint, some kind of purpose that is part of the divine puzzle that wants to come together. And if you can attune to that benevolent, healing, omnipresent field of intelligence and listen, then it'll all fall into place.
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My guest today is Johanna Warren, songwriter, musician, actor, herbalist, Reiki master, and overall inspiring human. She's an artist who has heeded the call and committed to work for her values. In 2019, she organized the Plant Medicine Tour, partnering with local communities over a 75-show run. We get into how and why she was motivated to get that Plant Medicine Tour together and the hills and valleys that came with the actual tour and its aftermath.
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Without further delay, let's get into the episode with Johanna Warren. This was our second attempt as we had some technical difficulties the first time around. So glad to do this again. Round two of podcast one. How is everything? I'm doing pretty well. Thank you for asking.
The Magic of Plants and Herbal Knowledge
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I see taking your tincture. Potions. What is that? What do you take there?
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These are both from my friend Jeff in Portland, Oregon, who he was kind of my herbalist mentor. This is Ashwagandha that he grows in Portland. So very grounding, earthy root, and blue vervain, which is like magic of the druids. What was that word? Blue vervain. Oh, blue vervain.
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the Druids were into it. It's potent manifestation magic. Would you say you're officially an herbalist? Is that something like a title that you give yourself? I mean, I'm not a clinical herbalist. I've never been officially trained in a school, but
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I do. I mean, I love plants. I use plants medicinally. They talk to me in my dreams. So I don't know. I feel I'm absolutely like an earth fairy. And I think we all as humans have co-evolved with the plant kingdom and the fungi in this very beautiful, benevolent symbiosis. And
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We all have that kind of intuitive knowledge that just needs to be dusted off, like the ability to speak plant language and just know what things are good for. It's all so innately encoded in us. So I think we're all herbalists. We've just forgotten.
Food as Medicine: A Holistic Approach
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A part of that for me where it wouldn't be the herbalist, but at least just on a bigger picture, just in terms of food as medicine and thinking about our connection to food and healing through food versus constantly just going to pharmaceuticals or pills that the doctor is going to instruct you to take when you're sick, taking a more holistic long-term approach with food. For sure. Yeah, because you can just nip it in the butter, just avoid sidestep the whole
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issue of imbalance altogether a lot of the time if you're not eating food that's making you sick, which for so many of us these days is a thing with allergies and intolerances and inflammation and blood sugar and cholesterol, all the things. It's like if you change your diet, you probably won't
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have the conditions that require all of those medications that are then going to cause side effects that need more medications. It's such a circus. Exactly. The medication that the doctor often a pharmaceuticals might help the specific issue, but it's often going to create an imbalance somewhere else, right? Yeah, which works out great for them who profit off of pharmaceutical sales.
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It's like whack-a-mole. Yeah.
Dreams and Foraging: Learning from Nature
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I love it. So what do the plants say to you in your dreams?
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I had a really cool one that I was just thinking about because I was just picking chickweed. I remember the first time that I learned of chickweed was in a dream. It's like I don't even believe myself when I say it because it sounds so extreme. Maybe I had heard the word somewhere, but this was a long time ago before I was really actively on a path of learning about plants in earnest.
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I had this dream that this old lady was teaching me in her kind of wild medicine garden. She was talking to me, because I have type 1 diabetes, so she was talking to me about things I could be doing to help my pancreas out. And she reached down and picked this big bunch of chickweed and she held it up and she was like, this is chickweed. You need to be eating it for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
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And I woke up and I could remember it so clearly and I'd never heard that word as far as I could remember in Waking Life. But I looked it up and I was like, oh, that's a thing. Shit. And yeah, then I started seeing it everywhere, of course, and eating it. Maybe not for breakfast, lunch and dinner every day, but I should probably give that a try. Do you get into foraging? Yeah, yeah. I was just picking wild garlic this morning.
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That's awesome. I had some friends who toured years ago that we toured with another band and the drummer was, he's a really good cook and knew a lot about food and they would stop on the side of the road with their van and pick mushrooms. I was so inspired and blown away by, and they would do it every day and they'd get a bunch of food by wild fortune.
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Yeah, it's so insane.
Capitalism's Impact on Nature's Abundance
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I feel like all of these smoke and mirrors in our capitalist society are there to keep us from figuring out, remembering, oh yeah, Earth wants to feed us for free and heal us for free. And everything else is marketing, like waste is a man-made concept, scarcity is
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It exists in nature in winter, but if you harvest and store things properly, it'll be all right. But all of this desperation has been created to control us.
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have the birthright to be able to walk outside and pick berries that are growing on bushes. But all of those have been decimated and uprooted. And it's really grim to see in America in the last couple of years, I've seen a lot of videos of like cops coming and ripping up community gardens and like spraying them.
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They do not want us feeding ourselves or healing ourselves because then the whole system topples from the ground up.
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Yeah, it's so systematic on such a grand scale in terms of just commerce and capitalism. Because there could be an abundance of food. I believe even though we have so many people on this earth, I still think there could be an abundance of food, but the system is just so backwards in terms of how we're set up that the inequities are so strong and the people in power that are just
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really out there for money, it just twists the whole thing around. And now, like you said, there's total, there is scarcity, but in an ideal world, there could be so much of a better system to provide for people.
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Yeah, and it's like there's scarcity, but also there's so much waste. There's just every supermarket has dumpsters full of food, perfectly good food that's just being thrown away. And if you try, like they're padlocked, you know, that you can't go rummage around and get the food out of the dumpsters. Like there's so much abundance and like excess actually. Or they cut down trees to grow food, to feed to animals that they're going to slaughter.
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Oh, yeah. To provide meat for people where it's like we could just cut out steps there and just grow food for people that everyone can eat instead of the mass amount of soy that's growing. Hell yeah, and corn. And corn just to feed cattle. Yeah, I forget the exact statistic, but it's horrifying. I think it's something like 70% of agricultural land is used for animal feed. Yeah. Yeah. Sad and scary.
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Yeah. And that's mostly like deforested Amazon where there's so much biodiversity of tiny fraction of which has even been documented. And it's like, I can guarantee the cure for cancer is somewhere in that forest, but we'll never know now because we just had to have those big Macs that will give us cancer, you know? Oh, humans. God bless us.
Imagining a Tech-Enhanced Positive Future
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What do you see as a potential future for food? Do you see some ways out of this situation we're in? Of course, yeah. I mean, I think as artists and creatives, we have to visualize and keep an open mind and recognize infinity. Of course, anything is possible. And I think we are so culturally obsessed with visioning the apocalypse. And I think we really need to get over that and
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start visualizing beautiful solutions and ways forward and ways that technology can be used to save us. And, you know, everyone's so doom and gloom about everything that ever happens, like AI, it's like the apocalypse is coming in. It's like, it could, it absolutely could. We could totally do that. We've all seen Terminator 2, but maybe like my experiences talking with chat GPT, I'm like, you're cool.
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Such a sweetie, such good morals. Loves talking with me about the environment and talks about our planet. I've been working on this environmental project and sometimes I'll ask chat GPT some questions about it and they're always so complimentary and excited and like, wow, thank you so much for doing this project for our planet. It's heartwarming.
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That's such a good perspective, really interesting and thought-provoking. I think you're right, the apocalyptic and the emergency and the fear that's constantly being
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pushed into the media to people, it does create this sort of panic mode all the time. And with that, you kind of lose a sense of long-term planning because everyone's just thinking, oh my God, I got to get everything I can today versus having sort of a big picture about what's happening. And it's kind of a big distraction.
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Well, it's a very powerful tool of political control and oppression because if you're afraid and desperate, then you're going to be very easy to manipulate and separate and dominate. Yeah. So yes, to answer your question, of course, I see positive ways forward. I can visualize a futuristic city with hovercraft that are run on like
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telepathy because we've all remembered how to use the power of our full brains and we're just floating our spacecraft down the super space highways and all of the physical earth space that's currently being used for roads could just be turned back into green space, turned back into wild medicinal food forests.
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I've been really digging your, watching your videos on YouTube. I love that. I think it's called blue or something.
Musical Influences and Plant Medicine Mission
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Uh, it was like a studio session that you did. It really came out so great. And I was interested in sort of your musical background a little bit and like your guitar style. I'm a guitar player and is your guitar style, is it, did you study? Have you, is this something you, you came up on your own totally developing or, you know, what was your background? You play piano to his piano, your first instrument. I was just a little curious about your musical background.
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Guitar, self-taught, but also taught by the recorded artists of the ages, like just intense listening and receiving their transmissions just by learning the songs of people like Nick Drake.
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Elliott Smith, I feel like I haven't even attempted to learn many of his songs, but just deep listening. Osmosis. Yeah, just trying to figure out what were they doing. But yeah, with guitar, I play open tunings.
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mostly by necessity because I have really tiny hands. So bar chords have never really been my friend because it's just so hard. I just can barely reach across the neck. So I started when I found open tunings that opened everything up for me because I was like, oh, I can be really lazy and minimal in my left hand, but still find really weird, jazzy rainbow shapes. Totally.
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Um, and I think, yeah, so very intuitive and like not coming from a music theory informed background at all. Um, just kind of finding, finding colors and shapes and feelings, um, from a very kind of intuitive, right. Right. Brained place, I think. Yeah. I, I only use my fingers too. Um, and, uh, I really dig your, your kind of finger style approach.
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Yeah, I never really got on with picks. It feels like an unnecessary middleman. Having a piece of plastic between me and the instrument. Yeah, I feel the same way about sex toys. I'm just like, God bless us everyone, whatever works for you, but I'm just like, yeah, fakers are good. Stick with the real thing. Do you have new music stuff coming out soon?
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I do, yeah. Another kind of mystery project that I am not at liberty to speak of, but a new LP probably coming out next year that I'm mostly done recording, haven't started mixing, and then an EP that'll come out later this year that's very experimental, super fun. I would love to talk about it, but I will be a good little fairy and keep my mouth shut. Cool. Will you do some shows, some touring with that, you think?
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I will, and it's going to be different. It's going to be like a very kind of theatrical, immersive traveling circus vibe. Nice. That sounds exciting. Yeah. Talk a little bit about the plant medicine tour for me that you did, which was 2000, 19? Something like that. Yeah. Talk about why you did it, positives, negatives, looking back, kind of the whole experience if you can.
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Yeah, I did it because I knew I needed to tour because I had a record coming out and I was feeling a lot of internal resistance to that.
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And I wasn't quite sure why, because it was one of those things where it's like, I should be excited about this. Why is my whole body filled with dread? And I went out to the forest. I was living in Portland, Oregon at the time. So I went out to the mountains and sat in the woods by myself. And I was asking the forest for guidance. And this was when I was really getting quite deep into the plant medicine healing journeys.
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And so I asked the forest for guidance and got this very clear, resounding chorus of reply from the plants that were like, you have this platform
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and you have a human voice and you can hear us, so use your platform and your voice to speak about us. Because I felt at the time, because I had been experiencing a lot of tremendous benefits and healing from the plants, I felt quite indebted to them. I wanted to be
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useful to them. And I think that was maybe part of the resistance that I was feeling, was feeling pulled in this other direction of wondering, oh, maybe I should go back to school and become a naturopath, become an herbalist, go down this whole other road. Like resistance to going on tour, you mean, that kind of inner turmoil. Got it.
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Yes, yes. Yeah, like just kind of on this path as a musician and things were sort of starting to go well on paper. And I felt so conflicted and confused because things going well, what are you tripping about? But I had this feeling my heart wasn't in it or something wasn't right. And I think, in retrospect, a lot of that was about the
Community and Connection: Alternative Tour Venues
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touring culture and the music industry and the way that we're expected to behave.
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in this capitalist machine, just the stress we put our bodies through being in a different city every night and being in this sort of endless loop of repetitive scenarios, the bus to the green room to the bus to the green room to the hotel room, if you're lucky, you know. And I think I just found it quite
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unsettling to me personally to my nervous system i was just like oh god i don't know if i can do this this is what i thought i wanted but now it's happening i'm like yikes i think i need a new plan um so the plant medicine tour was kind of a
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a DIY alternative that presented itself like, oh, what if I do this, but in a different way? So I booked this three month trip around the U.S. focusing mostly on alternative venue spaces. So a lot of house shows, some farms, some herb shops. So cool. Little towns off the beaten path. Because, you know, if you work with an agent, they'll just
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hit all the major metropolises and you'll be driving seven hours a day and a lot of zigzagging. And I was like, there's a lot of places between these places though, you know? Like, what if I stop in this little village?
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that I've never been to before and fill a farmhouse with 35 people and they each paid 10 bucks. That's $350, which is the same as the guarantee that the club in New York was offering, you know? So I just kind of did the math and I was like, wait a second, what if I just go this way? And the plants were asking me to do this thing. They sent me on this mission. They were like, use your voice to talk about us. That's what we
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request in return for what we've done for you, like talk about us, tell people. So that was what I did. I lined up collaborations in every place I went with local herbalists, farmers, environmental activists.
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just plant people, plant lovers, people who had stories to tell about their own healing journeys. It was really quite a diverse mix of people with different kinds of avenues into that world. But every night I would give space to them to talk about what they do, introduce themselves to their communities and say, come volunteer on a Tuesday, sign up for a veg box.
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and have a space at the merch table to sell their potions and lotions and teas and hand out informational pamphlets. So it was really...
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Beautiful, like cross-pollination. Yeah, what a great way to tour, to meet people that you wouldn't necessarily normally get to meet when you're on tour and to link up with different communities in such a different way. It must have been a significant amount of work to get that all together.
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It was. And again, the plants felt very involved. And looking back on it, I'm like, I really don't know how it came together so quickly. Like I booked 75 shows, I think, in a couple of months.
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Um, and lined up all of those collaborations with the herbalists. Um, my mom helped a little bit with that. She like got really into like doing some Googling and finding like, Oh, this lady looks cool in Washington. So thanks mom. Um,
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Thanks, plants. And thanks, mom. It was really, really sweet. But yeah, I feel like the plants gave me superpowers at that time because I was heeding the call. And I think that is a thing that I've heard from other humans about not just plants specifically, but like a vision and a mission like Joan of Arc energy. You know, it's like when you hear the voice in the sky that is telling you to do something, you do it. And the road opens and things fall into place.
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Yes, yes. And you're granted some kind of supernatural powers that when you align, and I feel like this, every one of us has this in some way. We have some kind of blueprint, some kind of purpose that is part of the divine puzzle that wants to come together. And if you can attune to that benevolent, healing, omnipresent field of intelligence and listen, then
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It'll all fall into place. Yeah, I love that. You can unlock that. Everyone has their own maze that they're working through, but if you can find that passion, things will fall into place.
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And in my experience, it often feels really scary or can feel scary at first because I think we are being faced with a lot of evidence right now that the old way is not working and we could keep just bashing our head against the same brick wall. But maybe we could make a different choice and making a different choice is always scary because it's the unknown and
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It's funny how humans, we like to just stick with what we know, even if it's clearly not good for us. Sure. Yeah. The comfort zone. Yes. And you must have met some awesome people on that tour. Yes, every night. Yeah, what a gift to just be met by the earth fairies, the plant people, every show.
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Just I remember driving my van and parking up and then seeing these beautiful, glowing creatures emerge and be like, are you Johanna? Welcome, we brought you tinctures. What do you need? Just so, so much support and assistance. Which again, you don't really get that. If you're doing it by the books, it can feel extremely isolating, as I'm sure you know, just very lonely and cold.
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Yeah and you show up to the venue and like everyone's tired from the night before and it's just like they've been doing the same thing for hundreds of days straight and you have and everyone's just like all right let's just get through this next step as easily and quickly as we can and just keep it moving you know versus what you're painting a picture of having this awesome vibe at arrival etc.
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Yeah, every night felt like a party and a disruption and a ceremony, like a healing experience for everyone involved and like a radical stirring of the pot. Because either it was like a farm where a show had never happened, or if it was at a venue, it would be a total takeover. And like we would, you know, there would be dried flowers hung from the rafters and a transformation would occur no matter what.
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Do you feel like that was a time and a place for that, or is that something you would try to recreate in the future? I've thought about it. The only thing that I feel I have maybe grown more fearful of is lawsuits. Thinking back on it, I'm like, that was actually pretty bold of me to have a bunch of people selling
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herbal tinctures and lotions and things like, what if someone has an allergic reaction at my show and I'm legally responsible somehow? I feel like there is this culture of fear that has just set in so hard. I think especially post pandemic, it just feels like looking back on that, there's this part of me that's like,
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But how you couldn't you can't do that. You're not allowed. That is not okay. That is illegal. You know, so that but that makes me want to do it more. You know, because it's like, oh, it shouldn't be so so illegal or illegal feeling so controversial feeling to just get together in a room full of people and talk about plants.
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Yeah, I guess everyone could sign a waiver at the door or something like that. There's probably a way around it. This is true. Yeah, it's such an inspiring thing. It's so cool that you did that. And I think it must have been such a positive experience for so many people that were involved, including you.
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For sure. Yeah, it definitely like not to toot my own flute or anything. But I think it was a time, a pivotal time, you know, 2017, I think it was like, it felt like at the time for the plant people, it felt like, oh, I'm not the only one. Like every night was like, like a unicorn meeting another unicorn being like, oh, I thought I was the only one. Like people finding each other and like,
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establishing a real sense of a community and a movement and like, yeah, we're doing this. We're here. This is not just like a bunch of
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hermits doing weird things in the shadows by themselves. It's like, okay, no, this feels good. We should do this more. Has it continued to reverberate? Do you feel like that experience has paid dividends in terms of maybe paths you've taken in life that maybe were altered because of that or just different communities that you've stayed in touch with?
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Um, for sure. I mean, yeah, I, well, one thing that I didn't talk about yet, I know you asked about kind of the bright side and the shadow side.
Health Challenges and Long-term Wellness Journey
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And in some ways it was a very unexpectedly pivotal moment for me because I got really sick on that tour, really like kind of ironically, it was like the plant medicine tour. And I had what was definitely strep throat for most of it. But because I was on this healing.
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plant medicine tour, I had this stubborn resistance to going to a Western doctor and like being prescribed antibiotics. So I just was soldiering through it, chugging the fire cider, doing all the herbal things and it wasn't working. And so I was just driving myself, I was completely alone, sleeping in my van in the middle of winter a lot of the time.
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just pushing my body beyond, beyond, beyond, because I felt like I was on this mission from the goddess. And, you know, I think it was in a lot of ways, a very mixed bag, but full of very humbling lessons that I needed to see and integrate. So in some ways, like that was the last major tour that I've done like that, because the so I got stripped throat, when I got back to Portland, I just
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passed out. I literally fainted in public and had to lie in my friend's bedroom for a couple of days, couldn't move, and just couldn't really get back on my feet health-wise. And it turned into chronic active Epstein-Barr virus, because I think the strep activated this other virus. So it turned into the beginning of a long chapter continuing to this day of
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recovery? Yeah, well, illness, like gnarly chronic illness and, you know, a healing journey of like managing that. But I was checked like my it was like this this feat of just pushing myself. It was like it was like there was this ego aspect
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of this healer journey that I was on where I was like, I needed to prove to myself and everyone that I could do this ridiculously extensive thing. And it was like, great, you did that. And now you're sick for a long time.
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Your body was just, it went into that kind of like fight or flight where it just was like, it made sure that you got through what you had to get through. And then finally, when you were in the clear, it was like, your body's like, enough. Yes. I feel like every touring musician knows exactly what that is. It's like, wow, that innate knowing in your body that like it will get you to the last show and then you're on the floor and you're going to need to think about what you've done. Be punished.
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So that's probably cause for a little reevaluation of everything. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. And I think there's some, there's poetry in there, you know, the healing, the medicine tour. It's like, I guess that was the complex cocktail of medicine that I needed. It was like,
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Sit down, chill out. Why do you think you need to do that that way? Even though I was like doing it my own way and taking it slow, kind of, it was three months. I was sleeping in a van in the middle of winter, driving myself and, you know, like came home with enough money to pay rent. But for like three solid months of work, it's like, is that OK?
00:31:39
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But also you were probably so focused on that whole time of giving. You gave so much to so many people. It's a testament to what you did, even though there was those serious drawbacks and hopefully life lessons.
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life lessons for sure and I did feel very held by the especially all the herbalists and people who let me sleep in their homes and stuff I felt very overwhelmed with gratitude and like reciprocity on that tour more than any other like always I feel like I've always been very very
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fortunate to have beautiful, generous, loving people around me on my travels. I think it probably helps being a single female because people are concerned. Rather than being a group of boys, it's like, are you okay? Do you have a place to stay? You can come home. It's easy to accommodate one person. I've found myself in some pretty swanky guest suites. That's nice. Yeah.
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But yes, yes. Um Yeah, it's been a long and winding road, but Are you at a better place now or is it still something that you're continuing to sort of? I don't want to say battle with but deal with and deal with for sure and that's like I had this vision about it a couple of years ago when it kind of dawned on me that it might not really go away completely in the way that I Initially thought yeah, um
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And I drew a little cartoon about it because it was like, like just two panels. And one is me sitting there with this giant, scary monster behind me. And it's like chronic illness as foe. And then the next one is this little, the same creature, but just this tiny little cute kitten version of itself curled up on my lap purring. And it's like,
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chronic illness as friendly teacher or something like that because I had this feeling about it where I had this flare-up of symptoms when I was pushing myself too hard I think like writing some stressful email probably about booking a show and I just felt my body flare up and it was like oh wow thank you you're right I'm doing it again I'm doing the thing that got me here in the first place thank you like a little bumper on the bowling alley just like
00:34:02
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No, no, no, not again. Don't do it. And you're able to sort of reframe it. Yeah, just take the correction and say thank you. You're right. I will go take a walk and breathe some deep breaths and drink some tea and come back to this when I'm feeling regulated. Hey, that's a big lesson in itself, right? Yeah. How to deal with stress.
00:34:31
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yeah and how to try to stay in some kind of state of regulation while doing all the things because i do like i have this very fiery ambitious like dreaming quality to me like i want to do so many things in this life and i have this chronically ill body that's like i just want rest like i'm done with the doing i just want
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drink from a stream and be a little lizard on a rock. That's where my body's at. But then my dang spirit is like, no, we've got movies to write. We've got plays to act in. We've got performance art personas to embody. It's just to try to get those two aspects in harmonious collaboration is a constant navigation.
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Yeah. Well said. Well, it seems like you're doing a good job with it. Work in progress. Well, thank you so much for joining the podcast and for hanging for a little bit. It's been so fun to talk. Thank you so much. Thank you. It's been my pleasure. Good luck with your EP and LP and all your upcoming projects and let's stay in touch. I can't wait to hear more about them as the secrets.
00:35:50
Speaker
Yes. Yes. So many secrets. Awesome. Thank you so much. Have a great day. You too. Peace. Thanks so much to Johanna Warren for being on the podcast and thanks to you. You can find Johanna's music on Spotify or wherever you listen to music and please come visit me at my Instagram, Torganic. Let me know what you think of the show and we'll see you on the next one. Peace.