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S3 Ep277: How to Survive Being Doxxed by a Vampire Baby
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Join Dave and Jake as they talk about the JacksFilms/Sniperwolf situation, how we personally avoid being doxxed with our massive audience, showering with babies, vampire survivors (again), Dave's big break into the major dota scene, and a bit of news to round it out in this week's episode!
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00:00:00
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Okay.
00:00:28
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Oh
Introduction and Banter
00:00:52
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How's it going, everyone? Welcome to another episode of Soapstone. My name is Jake, and I'm joined by my co-host is always Dave. How's it going tonight, Dave? It's going. Sure is. It is. It is nighttime. We would never be dishonest about that. Except now. Except a couple times, we were.
00:01:14
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If you're listening in to this episode in the afternoon, you're technically cheating. Yeah. Just don't let us know. It's the same thing. I think, I think there was a time, cause our backup day is to record like midday Saturday, essentially. If we couldn't, couldn't get it during the week. I do recall that. I think when we started doing that, we're still like pretend it's nighttime or something for immersion sake. And that there's no reason.
00:01:41
Speaker
Literally no reason, but in my head cannon if somebody asked I always imagine that people listen Thursday evenings the previous episode while we're recording the next gotcha, right? Even though I've gotten actual confirmation people like oh, I listen to Monday at the gym I'm like I didn't hear that I didn't hear that. Yeah, I think you're breaking my immersion our highest Listen dates. Oh, we had most listens on Sundays and Mondays.
Listener Habits and Upload Schedules
00:02:08
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Um, and because we don't really have a consistent upload schedule for time of day on Sunday, it's a little bit better. It's definitely better now than it used to be. Um, I have to imagine people just listening to like the previous episode, like just waiting for the new one to come out or something. I'm not sure. They don't see it yet. They're like, all right. They just restart the episode.
00:02:09
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Oh
00:02:31
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It's kind of tough like to There's we cover a lot of things on the episode on on our episodes But one of them is like news articles and things like that and those are all like time sensitive, right? So if you were to go back and you're like, oh, I really like this podcast I'm gonna go back and listen to their stuff. You're like, okay this week they're talking about overwatch and apparently there was a Blizzard controversy a year ago something like that,
Challenges of Time-Sensitive Podcasting
00:02:55
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right?
00:02:55
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Like that stuff doesn't necessarily age. There's no reason to go on a backlog for like a news podcast. Um, so I'm always curious when we have episodes like that, where it's like this one just like hot off the presses breaking news. Um, valve has released half-life episode two. There's no reason, no reason to wait or go back and listen to it, but.
00:03:23
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Thank you for disincentivizing users to go back and listen. We do what we can. Well, it's a devil's bargain. Because the other thing is news is the easiest content to actually cover. And it's also, for people that are involved in the gaming space, it's going to be something that's applicable now. We're going to be talking about games that came out, or things that happened, or whatever else is on people's minds. That's what news is.
00:03:56
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I would define news. I don't know. You're going to continue that. You're like, that's what news is. And people also come for a dictionary definition of terms.
00:04:09
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But speaking of news, I'm going to I'm going to ask if you are one following the topic and then two, if it's something you want to talk
Drama Between Jack's Films and Sniper Wolf
00:04:16
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about. Sure. Are you following anything with Jack's film, Sniper Wolf thing? I saw Critical did a video on on Sniper Wolf, and that was my introduction to the whole the whole shebang, as I'm sure it was for a lot of people.
00:04:35
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I wouldn't say I'm following it actively though because I don't have a long attention span for internet drama.
00:04:44
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Yeah, it's messed up. Yeah, it's super messed up. I will commentate on it if you want to discuss it to answer your second question. All right, so I'm not bearing the lead. Let me actually say what the thing is. Jack's Films, a long time YouTuber, content creator, has been making fun of Sniper Wolf's content or lack of content.
00:05:10
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where a lot of times she just does React type stuff off of TikToks, but a lot of times it's not transformative or it just follows something very formulaic and it's very lazy. So we parodies a lot of her stuff, and I think he made a channel dedicated to basically copying her style or playing like a bingo of like, oh, what are we going to see in this video? And it's always the same type of thing.
00:05:35
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So whether you agree with them or not, it is very much commentary on the thing. But apparently there's been some back and forth spats where I mean, she didn't take it very well and doesn't know how to actively disagree with somebody or make fun of his content as like, oh, we can be in this together or a rivalry, whatever.
00:05:59
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Right. Like there are ways to go about it, but she's just been very mature up to the point of she looked up his address and went and doxxed him to her 5 million followers on Instagram. Yeah. And to anybody who doesn't know what doxxing is, it is revealing personal address information.
00:06:19
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Two strangers so Usually like we have the benefit of people not knowing where we live not that we were really surrounded by crazies But I mean kind of yourself, but yeah My political climate mentioned
00:06:38
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But like, there's not somebody who would be stalking us for like, oh, we love them so much, or oh, I fucking hate them so much. Yes. And those crazies do exist, whether we want to believe they do or not. So basically, she's weaponized her audience in this way. But then she also denied doing it. And then she started like modifying posts or something else or making excuses
00:07:03
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Anyway, it's like a whole big shitty thing So the latest thing I saw was Jack's films made a video kind of just detailing just like two minutes of like hey, here's the situation Here's what happened. Here's why it's fucked up. Mm-hmm and kind of did like a call to action of like hey YouTube you have to deplatform her because You're otherwise you're kind of encouraging or saying this is not Reprehensible behavior. Yeah, and so far they have not
00:07:34
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Yeah, it's So I didn't have the the last couple updates there, but that doesn't surprise me overly much I think the the algorithm picked up after I Watched that video. There was like a recommended video and it was like follow-ups on people that critical had gone after or
00:07:57
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generous person would say provided expose on or talked about expose at least and It seems like the platform. I mean we live in the era of You can't say the word suicide on YouTube really anymore Because it's kind of following in tick-tock. You'll get like demonetized for yeah, you know and
00:08:20
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not just gamer words, which legitimately are bad, but like adult words as well, right? There is the whole thing of like, can't say a swear word in the first like 30 seconds or something. And I'm not a content creator, thank God, but like if I was, that would really suck having that limitation. And there are people who go like,
00:08:45
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Beyond that a lot like people that are vulgar on YouTube are just funny you know as long as they're actually also funny, but Yeah, if you go to like harassment or some of these other things that criticals talked about over the years You start to get like
00:09:05
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I don't know. I guess I'm of two minds on it because we talked about the cancel culture idea in an earlier episode. Whether you believe cancel culture should have that term or not, it is a thing that you can interfere with someone's current livelihood by going after them for something.
00:09:31
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But it's also the reality that some people should have that happen to them, right? Like, for sure. Like one of the examples in his video was there was a guy that showed up to what was essentially a sting operation.
00:09:46
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Uh, Chris Hansen style for like a 13 year old or a 14 year old or something like that. And, uh, he was deplatformed everywhere as you rightly should be. Right. But then also continually deplatformed and it's like, yeah, uh, valid, right? Like maybe, maybe if people don't forget about that one and you just has to go into a different career path valid. Um, but.
00:10:17
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I don't know. I think that's that's kind of the core of where this bat starts from. I is the way I think about it, right? Because maybe Jack's films. I haven't seen anything about this again. I don't really follow drama, but maybe he was legitimately being a jerk.
00:10:32
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But it's the internet, like people are allowed to be a jerk. I'm going to say, again, you, you bring up a valid question, which is a point that has been brought up in the past on this thing. So let's say that he was, let's say that he was actively being antagonizing and rude and a jerk. Yeah. Does that constitute doxxing somebody? No, absolutely not.
00:10:56
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Okay. So then that point is essentially moot because if we assume the worst case scenario, we're still saying that's bad. It's bad. Yeah. I'm just, the context I was trying to provide is like, if this goes to trial, for instance, right? They have to
Ethical Boundaries and Legal Repercussions of Doxxing
00:11:11
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have some sort of a suit or get a restraining order, which seems like a very reasonable thing to do if you're a well-known person and there's crazy people on the internet, as we all know at this point, that'll come after you, like get a restraining order.
00:11:26
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right um it is good to have a grasp on all of the elements that could come into play in that case right because her attorneys theoretically um would be like oh here's all of the stuff here's all of the evidence of the times that he harassed her or her community etc etc to kind of like
00:11:47
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To muddy the waters is the way I would put it right. I think it's Something that they could try but like one is satire or like criticism versus Literally going to somebody's house in person and then sharing that with everybody
00:12:06
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Like it's a entirely different scale of things. Like, let's say I called you a gamer word, which, again, never encouraged anybody to do, but that would not constitute you showing up to my house in person. Right. Yeah. I again, I'm kind of I'm arguing from a position of I agree with you. I'm just adding context. You're saying like could possibly go down.
00:12:32
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I also think in real life outside of the internet, the concept of doxxing doesn't carry the same weight. For people who are internet savvy and they spend a significant amount of their time online, you know how dangerous it is to get swatted, for instance, or to have your personal information leaked.
00:12:55
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Like to someone who's not online, it's like, well, I mean, there's also phone books, right? Like people could just look up your personal information anyway, to a certain extent. They might not realize how severe it can be.
00:13:11
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That all being said, that's pretty much the hedged bet for what would be on her side.
Privacy and Audience Implications
00:13:20
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She escalated it, and that's probably what the case would come down to, is here was a spat, these people didn't like each other, but she made it way worse. And that would pretty much be the only piece of evidence you need. So, yeah.
00:13:39
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But yeah, it's a pretty messed up situation. Anytime something like this happens, I'm just like, man, I'm so glad that we have a couple listeners, but not like a hundred thousand. Yeah, that would be a rough situation to deal with. I don't wish that upon anybody, especially ourselves.
00:14:02
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Again, like I've met some crazy people in my time and again, to a low key degree, honestly, a low key degree. But like growing up around like high school era, I did have someone who is kind of stalking me to a degree and it was uncomfortable.
00:14:21
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Because I hear about things through like a mutual person who knew them I Think they started dating somebody who is nearby where I live so they could drive by my house Like it was some very uncomfortable shit. Yeah, and thankfully that didn't actually come to a head at any point, but
00:14:40
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Again, stuff does exist and it's shitty. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, sorry you went through that first off. It's fine. I hope you're doing better. I'm just kidding. Well, I am actually sorry, but I'm embellishing.
00:14:58
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We have put effort into not doxing ourselves for the podcast. We have a very, I would say, focused, core, dedicated, passionate listenership and audience that we've cultivated over the years.
00:15:17
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And, uh, even then, you know, if we accidentally drop a few too many names, like first middle or first last for somebody, we go back and scrub it. Right. Um, and yeah, it's just, it's, it's due diligence because you don't know what things might be like in the future. Right.
00:15:41
Speaker
Back when I was living with somebody in Allentown, they had a habit of not locking the door. And I'm like, why do you not lock the door? Like, I'd appreciate if you did, because it's our fucking apartment. And he's like, oh, if somebody really wanted to break in, then they just could anyway. A lock's not going to stop them. And then I brought up two things. And one, then why do you lock literally anything like your car?
00:16:08
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And then two, I think there was an interview from
00:16:14
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Manson or somebody like some famous serial killer were basically he said that like when he found a door that was unlocked, he sensed that as an invitation. Right. Of like, oh, this is the opportunity. This is one that's meant to be. And again, it's just it's having barriers of entry to protect yourself from those people. Yes. Like, yeah, I live in a nice enough neighborhood. I don't think there's any crazy, shitty people here.
00:16:39
Speaker
I still lock my fucking door. I still have my things closed. I still have my blinds closed. It's a degree of privacy and security that I think everybody's entitled to. But yeah, it's the same reason you lock your car or anything else. It's just usually if people find like a barrier of entry, they're a lot less likely to do something shitty. Yes, exactly.
00:17:01
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And it's just the reality of modern internet, right? I'm going to tailor this topic so I can mention it without inadvertently doxing myself in the story of how I might have doxed myself. But there was a local issue that was basically going on in the surrounding area.
00:17:25
Speaker
And there was a YouTube channel that was talking about the local issue, like a government YouTube channel basically, right? And local government. And they're like, hey, we want to spread some awareness about this. And it'd be cool if people had this under consideration.
00:17:41
Speaker
And then, like, there were some people in the comments that were just completely negative about it. I was just like, this is so dumb. And, like, I had a kind of had an empathy moment where I was like, well, I want to respond and at least support the person who has this YouTube channel. Right. Because they're not making any money. It's just like an intern or something like that. It's just like, oh, yeah, I'll just, you know, do my part or whatever and, you know, try to make the comment section a little bit more positive. And then after I posted it, like, some time passed and I thought about it and was like,
00:18:10
Speaker
This is a local government channel and it's like a fairly small local government. I don't live in the reality where I'm anywhere near popular enough that someone could like use this in some NCIS triangulation to find me.
00:18:26
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But someone else who's a little bit more popular, like they get stalked over a comment like that, right? It's like, oh, someone posted to a dedicated site to finding out information about them that they posted in a local government video or something like that. Right. It's crazy. It's crazy what people can put together out there.
00:18:45
Speaker
There's actually two brief stories I want to share about this. One, I played Dota with some people online and one of the Dota friends found another Dota friend through like an Instagram suggestion. But they had nothing in common together, nothing that would essentially link them through Instagram.
00:19:05
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Like they didn't have Facebook with each other. They didn't have anything Yeah, but came up as like a recommended thing and then the person who got found felt a little I Think they're usually more of a private person. So they just fucking nuked their Instagram. Uh-huh They're like, I don't even know how you came across me like they're obviously still friends on this court But like it made them feel uncomfortable and like their privacy was kind of breached a little bit
00:19:31
Speaker
And I just forgot my other story. What was it? Oh, um, I will also keep this vague in case anybody goes back to look at this. Um, but there was a Twitch streamer who like had a VOD on YouTube or something and somebody who I knew was involved in that video. Yeah. Like they had some fans on type thing and
00:19:58
Speaker
My name technically did come up in that video, like my first name. And I commented on the video like, oh, I'm here to wrap up my boy so and so. Yes. And then people like two days after I started getting like twenty seven notifications through Google saying people were like, oh, is this the person that they were talking about? And I immediately have since had my name changed from my Google account. Yeah.
00:20:25
Speaker
So it's not my first and last name on there. It is now something else. And again, I don't expect those people to be crazy or anything, but I'm like, oh, that's technically some, you know, personal information that I've now put out there to a degree.
00:20:40
Speaker
Yeah, there's a risk and an identifiability, right? Like I used to have, when I was younger, a pseudonym I used online for like a long time. And then there just came a day where I was like, I do have a strong association with this because I've used it since forever.
00:20:59
Speaker
but nobody else online has this name like it's very very unique um and thankfully gets auto corrected to something from the bible there's your one hint um but that i won't i won't make the joke because that would be another hint yeah that'll put it together um but uh i changed it to one i thought was fun was fun to say but then also it doesn't matter like
00:21:27
Speaker
If people find that name because it's not enough to tie me to a bunch of different identities online Because it's just like a common name, right? Yes, it has the downside of it's harder to find me on steam or something if you're trying but and you know or someone i'm trying to connect with but That's not really much of an issue.
Internet History and Privacy Concerns
00:21:45
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So yeah, uh search engine optimization done too. Well can also come back to bite you right because
00:21:53
Speaker
I mean there this is this is gonna be a problem that was an issue for our generation and it's gonna be a bigger issue for every coming generation but like there's in my opinion you can tell me what you think about this there should be a cutoff where it's like hey this is the point where all of your history on the internet as like a child and teenager and all of that stuff that vanishes we're throwing that into the like the trash compactor the incinerator whatever
00:22:20
Speaker
You're a different person now. You might not be as edgy or political or whatever the crap. I would like for that to be a thing, but I don't know how that would be a thing. Yes. Unless you had some central repository.
00:22:37
Speaker
Cause all my brain can go to is like, this is maybe aging us a little bit, but like seeing kids on my space, right? Like there's just a ton of stuff that was sent around in surveys that means nothing, but it should never be drudged up by people who want to find dirt on like a future politician. Right. Um, yes, I agree with that.
00:23:00
Speaker
So because I, I did so much stupid shit as a kid and probably even done stupid shit within the last couple of years. Like I don't want that to haunt me for my life because it wasn't criminal. Just being a stupid idiot. Yes. Everybody has those moments, but especially when you're like 18 and younger, like, yeah, just bury that shit.
00:23:22
Speaker
It's all just drama infused teenager nonsense, right? Like there's just so much of that. You are not yet a person. You're still figuring out how to pretend to be a person. I don't even have it figured out now. It just sounds like I do because I'm recording audio. Right. It's a continual process. That for some reason gives me a degree of credence. We are the two experts on this podcast right now. There's no one that can override us on this podcast.
00:23:49
Speaker
Let me bring in the next expert swivels and chair 360 degrees um dizzy day Yeah, like I know that stuff probably exists somewhere uh in the deep web of my myspace days Or something else were like you said I was a totally different person back then yeah um And even if it's not like an act of
00:24:14
Speaker
but actively bad reflection of me. It's just not an adequate or accurate reflection of me. So that's the thing, right? I don't want that part of me shown. Yeah, it's not like we're actively dealing in dark web secrets as kids or something like that, but more passively.
00:24:33
Speaker
But if you, if someone searches up your full name and they find an early social media account and you're looking for like a job, it's nice to not have an association with like F Mary kill survey results or something like that. Right. Like, um, Pikachu, Goku and perfect. So I couldn't think of another one that wasn't TVZ. Um, I mean, most things are. So what are you going to do? But.
00:25:02
Speaker
I still remember, um, my mom was showing me like baby pictures at some point now for now, granted, I understand it's different for parents. I am not a parent. So maybe I'll never truly understand this. I still think it's weird when parents, especially moms, you're like, I'm going to keep everything from your childhood, whether it be like hair, teeth, photos of you as like a baby, right? Like you're naked.
00:25:28
Speaker
I actually went through and destroyed all baby photos I could find where I was like naked and in a bath is like Getting this pedo shit out of here. Never I'm covering your back mom You're two steps away from from the FBI breaking down your door But like I understand like if you just have a picture of a baby and they're literally like just born like I'm not gonna be like That's their genitals. Uh-huh. But the same time I didn't want
00:25:59
Speaker
Because I know my mom, and if I were to meet somebody, my mom would be like, hey, have I ever shown you the photo book? And they're going to have a great time going back through down memory lane, which I'm fine with. Some of that is very wholesome. But she'd be like, look how cute it was as a baby. And she's like, I don't want my naked baby out there, you know? You just bring a girl home to meet your mom or something. And she's just like, all right, well, here's a treat for you.
00:26:25
Speaker
You get to see him naked and bust out the plug. And she's like, wow, we're first. Yeah, no, I kind of thought about that too, right?
00:26:41
Speaker
Not a lot, if I'm being completely honest, because I think it would be weird to think about it a lot. But there comes a time where it's just like these are baby photos, whatever. It's a little bit weird. And it's like, OK, they're like two years old, three years old, four years old. And it's like it's the same. It's the same. It's the same discussion of like, when should you stop showering with your kids or like having a bath with your kids or something like that? Right. I remember there was like a Reddit thread about this some years back and people had this huge range of opinions.
00:27:11
Speaker
And it's just like what's your knee-jerk number knee-jerk number. I Don't even know that's the thing. I don't think I ever settled on one I know it's a cop cop-out answer I would because the thing is guess like four or five that's that's probably correct, but the thing is like it's It is weird right because it's taking a adult concern in construct and kind of like applying that to kids
00:27:40
Speaker
who obviously at that age, they don't have a problem with any of this. I think for some people it's like what they had responded with is once they start noticing anatomy at all, that's enough. That's it. If they point anything out, that's it. That's the end of it.
00:28:04
Speaker
I get it. It can be like a lesson building thing. It's like, Hey, it's not okay to be naked around other people because other people may not have the same like intent that I have, which is just please clean yourself. You know, you spent all day playing in mud or something like that. Um, but yeah, it's, it's weird. It's weird to think about, which is why I don't. Yeah.
00:28:32
Speaker
This is a gaming podcast. It went into some serious shit real quick. Whose fault was that? I don't think it's necessarily, it doesn't have to be super serious. There's a side to that that's not messed up. It's just a curious, it's a literal shower thought.
00:28:55
Speaker
Like I know friends who have kids and if I were to like hear of like them share a story or like, Oh, is she going to shower with my kids? I'm not thinking that's weird. I'm thinking that's wholesome. Yeah. Because you get to like teach your kids something and you're just, you're spending time together, right? It's not weird because you're not making it weird.
00:29:13
Speaker
If you want pumpkin picking, that's exactly the same cheer for me because they're your kids. I don't know. To jump in, you know the answer to the opposite side. When is too early to stop showering with your kids? It's when they drown.
00:29:32
Speaker
You're just like, I don't know the baby baby kind of looks like they can manage for themselves. I'm gonna step out of the room You just start the shower for the baby give him a bar so it's like take care of this yourself you walk out Yeah, child's panicking is no idea what's going on that's normal they got to get used to that too that carries on into adulthood Can I talk about a bit of gamer rage?
Gaming Achievements and Progress
00:29:58
Speaker
Sure. Some very, uh, some very just, justly deserved of sentiment from me about a very valid issue. Sure. Yeah. I thought I had all of the goddamn vampire survivors achievements. And today, or maybe it was late yesterday, I was rudely awakened to six new achievements. Now I only have one remaining, but goddamn it, let me be done. Stop adding things.
00:30:27
Speaker
This is really the only game I've ever tried to like have all achievements on and every time I'm like, oh, I'm done. We're there. We're at the fucking pinnacle. Hooray. Never have to worry about this game. You know, notch on the belt loop. I'm going on to bigger and better things. And then it comes crawling back. Yeah. Yeah. You chose poorly.
00:30:47
Speaker
Um, yeah, I need a game that's like, we'll never update again. Uh-huh. Well, let me tell you, I play a lot of dead games and games that will be dead soon. Um, the, uh, yeah, man, vampire survivors. Uh, it really is. I'm so far behind in achievements. I'm trying to make a joke. The joke, uh, is, is based around like, man, games are just releasing too much free content, but that's the punchline. I don't know how we get there. Um,
00:31:19
Speaker
Yeah, I'm, I'm very far behind. I'm actually, I'm far enough behind in vampire survivors that it's giving me some inertia to picking it up again. Cause I'm like, is my like, is my maxed out Reaper like going to be good enough to go through the content or like as the power scale bypassed me so much. Like if you had never played vampire survivors, there's actually an absurd amount of content to get into now. Like too much, arguably.
00:31:47
Speaker
Like they announced another game. Did they? I thought they did. At least they said that they were going to make another game or that they wanted their next game to have some of the same traits or something. Close enough. Once you start talking about your next game, you got to stop working on the current game. It's in the constitution. Yes, of course.
00:32:07
Speaker
I don't know. I don't think it's like worth necessarily going back to unless you really have that that specific itch. Because to me like those games are fine and they definitely feel like oh I just want to do something for like 20 minutes. Yeah. But for me it's a good time filler but I don't get anything out of it.
00:32:25
Speaker
It's not like I need to mentally like, oh, we got to check into this. Yes. Like if I'm going to go through something single player where I actually care about the story and what's going on or Baldur's Gate three is also a very actively engaging thing. Almost too much. It's like I miss things because there's so much going on and I'm thinking about other things while things are going on.
00:32:49
Speaker
And I don't know about you, but I imagine you're in a similar boat to me to where you love Baldur's Gate three. You think it's a great game, but you want it to be done. Yes. I am there. Um, cause we've been playing like a couple hours a week.
00:33:06
Speaker
It's a long game. It is so doing it at this pace. It just feels like it's kind of Dragging on every time we do stuff like it's fun content But the same time it almost feels like a little bit of an obligation to where we need to make some progress in it Right, you don't want it to drop off entirely. Yeah, I will say that experience though Not ideal it is The best taste test for like actually playing a weekly D&D campaign where you're like
00:33:36
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Man, let's jump in we'll get done what we can front save the vampire counts abducted daughter from the stone Giants or whatever and you get through like a conversation and then like you get distracted by a pretty horse and You get attacked by pixies and that's the entire night right like nothing else happens That is that is the traditional D&D experience and
00:34:04
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and the GM somewhere like looking at all of the planned content and all the stuff that had to be made up that session and was like we're never like you guys are stuck here forever like nothing ever will be done that's why you got a magic portal and back to the the content somehow uh-huh maybe just use magic portals actually it's not a bad it's not a bad call you tripped on a rock you fall unconscious you wake in the content I had fucking planned you asshole uh-huh yeah
00:34:33
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Yeah, railroading is not a bad thing. Video games can get away with it. Well, the thing is, you don't tell them you're doing it. You can become increasingly obvious if they continue to fight you on it, but any good player at the table is going to be like,
00:34:55
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There's some interesting stuff here. I don't want to literally be at war with the person who's trying to provide interesting stuff for me. Not everybody's like that, though.
00:35:11
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He said, in case his DnD crew is listening. Yeah, yeah. You're all great. You're all fun. You're great. We're inactive right now. It's been a couple of months because we're preparing for the last chapter. And I got a bunch of work to do for that. But I'm also kind of just taking a vacation because too many video games came out, including Cyberpunk, Phantom Liberty, which I would be lying if I said I did not use for some inspiration. And I'm like,
00:35:38
Speaker
screen capturing certain things and I'm just dropping them over here in Todoist and I'm like, yep, this is getting directly referenced here and here and here. Is it pronounced Todoist?
00:35:49
Speaker
Todoist, I think so. How do you pronounce it? Yeah, that's wrong. But yeah, I completed the DLC. I'm not the first person because you ever like finish a DLC or something like that and you go and you check like videos and see what other paths existed and stuff like that.
00:36:12
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I did that and then like most of the videos were like two weeks old and things like that. I was like, okay, people really pushed through here faster than me. But that's fine. That's good. Recommend it. Recommend out of 10. Nice. I'll put on my radar at some point. It's a distant blip and he's moving away from the blip, but it's on the radar for now. It'll be six months from now I'll hear a random noise and be like, what was that?
00:36:42
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uh-huh yeah no it's it's it's very few the yoda death noise here i was very far off but yeah that one um i'm gonna use yours now yeah just gonna be it's halfway between like a re and the uh the yoda noise um
00:37:05
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But this is the only DLC, I believe, coming out for 2077. Their plans changed a lot from when the game launched. And they had planned, I think, two DLC and a multiplayer mode. And I think the first thing that got dropped was multiplayer. They're like, weird. Yeah. They're like, it kind of feels like a bad idea to even pretend that we're going to do this one. So we're going to not. Best decision we made, honestly.
00:37:36
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Yeah, if you if you have T pose everything at launch Maybe maybe don't try multiplayer. I don't know just a thought Good to manage those expectations But I tell you I'm gonna be or actually I now am an official pro
Competitive Play in Dota League
00:37:52
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gamer. Yeah, that's I'm sorry to hear that what happened. Oh
00:37:56
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Uh, so I got to be invited to be a part of a league. Oh my gosh. I don't normally play Dota mandatory joke. Weirdly I made the same joke. Cause it's called our league that got organized. It's called major league. So I think it actually will show up with like stats and team names and whatever. Um, I don't even know where you'd look that up, but I wanted to make the joke. Like, should we be calling it mage Dota two?
00:38:23
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and that's my level of humor that I'm usually at I'm like here's some minor dumb wordplay they're like ah you know what's funny um if you if you search mage league google autofills of legends yeah I'm not surprised by that um
00:38:41
Speaker
I think there is somewhere in the client or maybe on a site. I really don't know. I did not set this up. I'm just participating in it. But I will say that my team is doing good so far. We have won both of our series. We have another one coming up this Sunday. And first series was 2-0. Series 2 was 2-1. We lost the first game and then came back for 2. Nice.
00:39:09
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And then we'll see how this weekend goes. But I'm confident that we will do well, or if we don't do well, we'll regroup and then do well.
00:39:19
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I thought you were going to say, we're either going to do well or die trying. And I was like, yep, check, check, check, checks out in, in Dota. Yeah. So you know about my tactical feeding. Yes. Yes. Don't worry. I'm saying that I'm creating space. I'm investing gold in the enemy team, like a pinata.
00:39:43
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It's absurd, but that was the thing at some point where I don't know if people ever actually got to the realm of tactical feeding, but definitely to the realm of like the payout, the comeback mechanic was so strong that it got increasingly fearful if you were really far ahead. You're just like, if they just gang up and pop one of our pinatas, they all gain five levels in the thousand gold.
00:40:10
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Yes, but theoretically, if you are up that far, you definitely still have advantage. Yes. It's a rubber band. It's not a slingshot, right? Although if they win one team fight and the whole thing changes.
00:40:26
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If there was a game with a railgun mechanic, that would be hilarious, though. It's like I've been behind for 30 minutes. We're going to destroy you. You kill top frag. You're not top frag. Oh, yeah. Rambo Rambo mode or something. Yeah. But no, I saw I saw the tail end of one of the series. I think it was just the last game. And it was it was really good. There's really good play. Always love to see Alchemist.
00:40:57
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No one has ever said that, by the way, I think, but I like the hero. I think I was casting on that one, right? Yes.
00:41:08
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It's cool because everybody is pretty involved. I feel like I'm not on Discord or on that Discord as much. But a lot of people are running Dota 24-7. So when games pop off, it's obviously the five people on each team. But there will also be some casters and then usually some people watching. Because one of the casters will typically stream it. But different casters will rotate based on availability.
00:41:34
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And like, I'm not even a caster. I'm really just a player. But it was fun to just hop on and kind of watch some other people and how they approach their games and just put in some commentary of, oh, they're doing this really well, or how do they deal with this situation? Uh-huh. So I've literally never done it before that one time. I mean, it's definitely been fun. I think people enjoy doing it too, being involved.
00:41:58
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you're not playing it's it's kind of it's less stressful obviously to like be observing that but if it's something that you you're invested at it as invested in as you are in Dota I think that the urge to cast is
00:42:18
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it's got to exist there, right? Like if you're watching a video in your head, you're already analyzing what's going on. You're just like, and you have God mode vision, right? That's the big thing as a caster. And it's the number one thing that you kind of got to remember not to impose upon the players like, Oh, why would they make such a stupid decision? You say from your castle in the clouds, seeing everything. But it, it
00:42:44
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makes it, uh, it makes it a really engaging experience actually. Um, cause you can like run analytics in your head. You're like, Oh man, they're really, the other team's going for Roche or something like that. What's that? What's that going to bubble into? Um, and you don't always have time for that if you're actually in the game, right? Like you're constrained to your own concerns in that moment.
00:43:07
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Cause like as a player, you probably have multiple things going on at a time. Um, if you're P one, essentially you're just focused on last inning and maybe trading some damage. Um, but like supports have to make sure you don't get jumped on. They have to, this is me as a support, quote unquote, support player. That's my current role for my team support. I do other things. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:43:32
Speaker
I play murder hobo support so like i'll do the supporty shit, but i'm there to kill stuff where possible That's where I get my most enjoyment um, but like stacking pulling warding dewarding trading with the other support Just trying to like give your your carry space. Oh, yeah Um, and mid lane has a degree of that too, but like they have no help from anybody. Um
00:43:58
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But yeah, it's a lot of stuff going on, and it's hard to think about some of the more global things as well, like, hey, there's Roche, hey, Rune's respawning at this time, hey, Brain Rune, hey, we just gotta do Tormentor. Because sometimes you can kind of get, I don't want to say lost in the sauce, but you get very focused on what you're doing. So it's good to have sometimes a support player be like, hey, this thing's been up, can we go do that? And then the person who can actually deal damage is like, oh yeah, it's a good idea.
00:44:23
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uh-huh yeah so communication always very key in those for sure for sure the only thing that keeps keeps me uh because i think it's probably for the point i'm at it's more fun to watch dota with like another person or a group of people than to play it but that's not actually like a super high bar dota became
00:44:45
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Definitely I became toxic towards Dota would be the way to put it at a certain point but Observing it's fun. And I still look back fondly. I used to have a an apartment and we had like a janky setup with like a stack of cardboard boxes and a projector and we were like
00:45:03
Speaker
Let's invite people over, eat snacks and watch the international. And I don't even, it was, it was a 720p projector, which was not set up in a very good configuration for the time. And I'm like, that mud right there is all convinced, right? Like, but it was, it was fun. Um, this is probably the closest I come to a sports appreciation. Like if someone was like, do you want to come watch the game? And that game was not Starcraft or Dota, I would be like,
00:45:34
Speaker
I'll hang out. Right. Um, but now it's, it's really engaging, which is the reason it's so successful, obviously. Um, and it's very supported as a game. So it's not bad patch today. Yeah.
00:45:56
Speaker
10 years is a long time. Like I think the game came out of beta around, uh, 2013, uh, or at least I started playing around then. And then I stopped playing somewhere between that and today probably like the halfway mark, even split, even split. Yeah. A lot of time.
00:46:19
Speaker
It's still fun to think about though, and it's still fun to talk about. Like, Dave will mention one offhand thing for Dota, and I'm like, really? And I like, I just go back to like, to like, to the wiki. And I'm looking up things, I'm like, well, actually Dave, Naga sirens, net, pierces, BKB, or whatever.
00:46:37
Speaker
What's funny is a lot of people who play dota have been playing dota for such a long time Um, but there's also like patches that happen i'd say frequently frequently enough Uh to like you're not always playing all of the characters all the time So when you play a character like oh what changed how does their ability work or people ask does this? How does this one interaction work and we have to talk about it as a group? We're like, I don't actually know for sure. Yeah
00:47:04
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yeah i uh i definitely see that it's it's a difficult game to stay on top of uh all of the knowledge and interactions and stuff particularly because like in some games people play if it's like magic or hearthstone or something like that you see a keyword and you're like
00:47:23
Speaker
I know what that keyword means. And then in Dota, it's like people have stuns. Some of those stuns, Pierce Magic Community, some of them don't. Some of these things can be broken, like with a break effect or silenced or, you know, other things can dispel or purge effects. And it's like, yep, I'm not going to know that until it hits me.
00:47:52
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I guarantee you there's a lot of new players across the century, decade it's been out, or it's just like, oh my gosh, Bane's coming right at me, and his team's behind him. I'm gonna hit BKB, right?
00:48:09
Speaker
Or bane nightmares somebody and you're like kill him. Uh-huh I guess I'll take a nap And then and then at some point they made it so he can attack his own nightmare Target right and he gets like bonus damage or something So there was a I don't know if it's still meta But there was at least like a good two weeks where bane bane mid was a thing cuz they were just nightmare you and then just right click the shit out of you and
00:48:36
Speaker
yeah like it was it was just crazy dumb because his in feeble it takes damage now or it did maybe um
00:48:47
Speaker
I don't remember. I remember it reducing the damage output of the opponents. I don't remember what it did beyond that. Yeah. That's the original effect I remembered. But I remember there was like a freaking DPS bang, like you're describing, where the idea was to like pump your damage up. It definitely wasn't brain sap. Brain sap isn't what pumped your damage. That was just health, health transference, but yeah, no.
00:49:10
Speaker
It's dumb. This is one character. We lost their entire audience that was listening. But that's DOTA. That's the trick. That's how tough it is to stay on top of these interactions. There's a lot of respect. There's a lot there. And then it changes all the time, which is why I just never read patch notes. I just go in. I'm like, let me try something. And then I'm just there to have a good time, try and win. Occasionally do something cool. But a lot of times I just end up feeding stuff. But that's OK.
00:49:40
Speaker
It's for fun. The very first thing you have to do once a patch drops is if you see an opponent with blademail, you get blademail yourself and then you attack them and you see if the client just crashes. It sends damage infinitely back and forth.
00:50:00
Speaker
Related to Dota, Dota is a MOBA. And there are other MOBA's out there. League's not one of them. But Heroes of the Storm is owned by Activision Blizzard.
00:50:16
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which very, very recently got unblocked in their acquisition by Microsoft. Microsoft is going to be picking them up. There were several regulations blocking it across the globe with arguments about cloud and
00:50:34
Speaker
All this other stuff going on and all of it got resolved. So they're straight up going to buy it. And Bobby Kotick is going to leave the company starting in next year, January of next
Microsoft's Acquisition of Activision Blizzard
00:50:49
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year.
00:50:49
Speaker
a one-hand hooray on the other hand he's not really being punished that much he's I mean he's not gonna be at his position anymore but he's still gonna be rich as fuck yes and he can just go enjoy his life and not quote-unquote work anymore like yeah all right
00:51:08
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He was with Activision for 33 years, which is a pretty long run, all things considered. I was talking with my wife about this one because she's a big Overwatch fan.
00:51:28
Speaker
Yeah, it's not, he basically, he oversaw everything that happened at Blizzard. And even if he didn't know about all of it, and it's not clear what he knew and what he didn't know, it still happened on his watch, right? And if you're in leadership, that's what accountability means is, you know, you take some responsibility for the things that happen on your watch, right? Yeah.
00:51:56
Speaker
So not too surprising that he's not going to do some dual CEO stuff post merger. And I think it is going to be better for the company to, you know, put that behind them and also him behind them. But it's like, yeah, if people were looking for some gavel of justice to come down and that whole thing, no, he's probably going to get a golden parachute like Corpos.
00:52:27
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Yeah. I don't know. There's always a part of me like when that wants to watch people burn. Like.
00:52:39
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Basically, people being punished where it seems fit. Circling back to the first point of discussion of the episode, it seems crazy to have that type of stuff happen and then have them get away with it when it's clearly documented and all these things. They seem to get away with it seemingly just because they have enough influence or money
00:53:04
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Cause I mean, obviously anybody who's like looking at that from the outside does not have the same level of influence and money. And you're like, that seems terribly unfair to have a different set of rules for different people. Yeah, that's true. We live in a society. We really do.
00:53:25
Speaker
but as a as a question uh... now that they're going to merge and that's going to go through one i mean this is another mega corporation so i don't even need to play cyberpunk anymore it's just going to be real life uh... none of like microsoft doesn't sound as cool as arasaka or militech or biotechnica but i guess whatever we can get
00:53:49
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Which Microsoft IP character are you looking forward to getting killed by the next time you decide to spin up the rebooted Heroes of the Storm, obviously, because Microsoft has infinite money. They'll just make all of their games work magically or as a guest commander in Starcraft or a hero in Overwatch. I mean, Master Chief, please. Master Chief is the go to. Yeah. John one one seven, baby.
00:54:19
Speaker
I'm going to, I'm going to, so I'm looking at some of these Microsoft franchises though, and there are some others here, right? Like we could have a conquer versus Tracer matchup in Overwatch. It could, it could happen. No, knowing who conquer is. I don't know if that would be the best. No, that's fair.
00:54:41
Speaker
Um, what about, uh, let's see here. You could have Joanne or Joanna, I think from perfect dark. She's already in it. She's already in the shooter fits right in, I think.
00:54:53
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pretty badass but that all being said it was wonderful to have you guys here tonight listening to us always good to reach out our core audience our fan base adoring fans one and all we wish we had you in the game and starfield would have been better
00:55:18
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00:55:40
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