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Open Mic 7: The Turnbuckle Tavern
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It’s episode lucky number 7 as The MVP is joined by the 2 Bad Chads of the Turnbuckle Tavern, Chad Snead and Chad Smith. We talk the creation and history of The Tavern, the people that make it happen, music, & movies. We also learn of a secret that could rock The Pod Foundation to its core!
Find all things Chick at www.CHICKFOLEY.com
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Transcript
Overcoming the Three Episode Curse
00:00:01
Speaker
Who the hell told you tonight was open mic night? Oh, we are back. We're back for episode seven.
00:00:23
Speaker
I can't believe it. If you've been listening to the show since the beginning, me and Sheena, we spoke about the three episode curse that most people don't make it past. So I'm happy to say it's happened. I made it to episode seven, and it definitely feels good. And I think we have a really good show for you coming up. So let me start off by saying,
00:00:44
Speaker
Welcome back to the, uh, to open mic with the MVP Marco. Obviously I'm MVP Marco. Um, and always, you know, the show is brought to you by the pod foundation. And I mean, I don't have to say it, but I will, you know, pod foundation is the greatest collection of wrestling minds or just minds in general, since Eric Bischoff in the NWO.
Introduction to Pod Foundation
00:01:04
Speaker
That's what I like to say. They're the ones that change wrestling, um, to what it is now. And that's what we're doing.
00:01:10
Speaker
with podcasting and all the content that's being pushed out. So what's the Pod Foundation, you ask? It is coming down the aisle with J-Bone. It is the extra cooler show with extra cooler. It is obviously, of course, the Chick Foley show. And then it's also these guys who I have actually on my show today.
00:01:33
Speaker
If you're gonna call Conrad, he's the pod father, because he has a million podcasts. I like to call these guys the pod stepfathers, because they're pretty close when it comes to the content game. So I like to bring on, as we call them, the two bad chads of the turnbuckle tavern.
Turnbuckle Tavern's Impact
00:01:54
Speaker
How are you guys doing?
00:01:57
Speaker
Awesome, man. It's great to be here. It's, uh, I know we had talked about this a while ago, so it's, uh, it's good to finally be on, man. Yeah, man. I'm stoked to be here. Uh, love the show. You've had some great guests. So hopefully me and Sneed, uh, following the footsteps of all the guests that have killed it thus far. Lucky number seven.
00:02:18
Speaker
I know, right? See, exactly. That's why I picked you guys for episode seven, because I feel like this is going to be a very, very fun show. Because like I said, you guys are, like I said, you're the pod stepfathers for us, because you like, I mean, you hear it every week, if you listen to the trickfully show, we call them the, you know, they're the workhorses of the, the pod foundation with the amount of, you know, shows
00:02:40
Speaker
that they pump out pretty much every week. I'm a part of one of the shows, and now Seth and Jordan are as a part of a show. I like to say that, I mean, I could probably speak for us at the Chick Foley show, is that you guys kind of motivated us to
00:02:59
Speaker
put more content out there. So you know, we were just a chick Foley show, we were just, you know, just doing that one show. And obviously, you know, we were starting to make it more like I like to say exclusive. So we do like exclusive shows. We're not doing it weekly. But in the meantime, we you know,
00:03:16
Speaker
We have our own shows now. We have the Pod Warriors with Seth and Jordan. And now I have this show, the Open Mic show. So we kind of fill that void. We were doing it every week. And I got motivated off of you guys and just being around everyone involved with the Turnbuckle Tavern.
00:03:34
Speaker
you know, the amount of work that gets put into, you know, everything, like all these shows. I mean, I know firsthand, but it was motivational enough for me to go, you know what, I think I can do my own separate thing. And, you know, look, look at where we are now. I mean, yeah, on three shows. I'm like, I'm like the first like crossover person for the for the pod foundation.
Community Building in Wrestling
00:03:57
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I appreciate that. I love that.
00:04:04
Speaker
We inspired you guys to branch out. I mean, the way I kind of just stepping back like.
00:04:10
Speaker
We wouldn't be able to do what we do if it wasn't for all the kick ass crew that come in and want to do shows with us and the people that we've like befriended along the way. If it was just me and Sneed like it was in the beginning, there's no fucking way we could handle this shit. But it really, we just wanted to kind of create a place where you could make some friends and try and do some cool shit together.
00:04:37
Speaker
Yeah, we don't have any there around here. Chad and I live in the same town, but around here, we don't have any wrestling friends. It's just us. So, you know, creating this, you know, when we started, it was an outlet for just me and Chad, but upon meeting all the people that we've met, it was just, it just kind of fell in the place perfectly to have a group of friends and a group of friends that wanted to create content as well.
00:05:07
Speaker
Yeah, I feel like the debate was really the thing that opened it up because we could have yes on and we started meeting people. And then, you know, when Sheena reached out because we followed each other and I would tag Sheena and some of the stuff that we were posting early on.
00:05:25
Speaker
just to kind of, you know, in the beginning, you're just trying to get people to see you're there, you know? And one day she sent us a message about the Pod Foundation stuff and she wanted us to be kind of the AEW side of the Pod Foundation. I mean, speaking for me and Sneed, I'm sure he feels the same way. Like, dude, that was extremely big for us. That was a validating moment for us.
00:05:51
Speaker
Yeah. It felt really good to have somebody reach out because, you know, when we record, especially back then, it was, it was kind of just, we're talking into a microphone. I don't know if anybody's listening, you know, and to have somebody reach out and want us to become a part of something bigger and something is as big as what the pod pod foundation is to us. It was, it definitely was a, it was a great feeling.
00:06:19
Speaker
Yeah. Cause I remember, I remember like those talks, uh, with the pod foundation, like in the beginning stages of like what type of like, like content, um,
00:06:29
Speaker
Uh, they, they wanted to be a part of the pod foundation. So like try to cover every aspect of, of wrestling. So obviously you have like, you know, we're not really, I want to say we're not really the WWE, like part of the, uh, like the pod foundation, but we cover all wrestling.
Challenges of Solo Podcasting
00:06:44
Speaker
So like chick-fil-a would be like the, like the buffet, essentially like the figure talk, you know, and wrestling talk. And then like, you know, whatever, whatever comes to us essentially. And then, you know, uh, her having that long standing relationship with, um,
00:06:56
Speaker
with Nick, extracooler, bringing the nostalgia part of it, but then reaching out to you guys where you're going to cover like the, like you said, the AW, the ND stuff, NWA.
00:07:10
Speaker
And then with J-Bung too, J-Bung was a great addition to it as well. He was super excited being a part of the POD Foundation. What he brings to it, man, he's like a one-man show. I wouldn't tell him now, but he's probably going to hear it. But he was kind of like a motivation too, because I'm doing this show literally by myself. I don't have Sheena, Seth, or Jordan.
00:07:35
Speaker
It's one of the hardest jobs to do it by yourself. It's like you guys, you and J-Bone, I look at if you're a podcast listener, you know, comedians, you guys are like the Bill Burrs because Bill Burr has his Monday morning podcast where it's just him ranting for an hour. And to be able to like.
00:07:55
Speaker
to show up every week and just give your thoughts. That's tough, man. All the respect to J-Bone for being so consistent and you tackling it with open mic. Yeah, yeah.
00:08:13
Speaker
like the uh the way he the way he does it too is like you know he he records like right after we do rawdown that's the other thing too like we'll record you know the show and then he'll hop on and he'll have to do some more stuff for his show so like he's doing double duty and i i mean i know firsthand how it is to do like to pull like a double show i think i did i think i did that a few times before i was on one show earlier in the night and then
00:08:38
Speaker
later in the night, I was on
Origins of Turnbuckle Tavern
00:08:39
Speaker
another one. So it is, it is definitely hard. And like I said, I was more motivated by the fact that like, the amount of work that gets put into all these types of all the different shows that will definitely get to like, will definitely get to that and like the conception of all these shows that you guys created by like,
00:08:55
Speaker
I want to take it back to, I personally want to hear the story of how you both actually came up. How did you guys meet? How did you come up with the idea of Turnbuckle Tavern? Where does that name come from? So take us through a stroll through memory lane.
00:09:12
Speaker
Oh, the beginnings of Turbuckle Tavern. Well, first meeting Sneed, where was it? Mr. Miller's homeroom class seventh grade. If we're, if we're taking it back, we're going to take it way back. Let's do it. Because it's been, it's been, I mean, almost, almost 30 years.
00:09:32
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, 30 25 between 25 and 30 years that we've that we've known each other. And yeah, it started in that homeroom class. My last name Sneed his last name. So we got, you know, right next to each other all the time. Yeah. And, you know, we we knew each other from from school. And then we also had a mutual friend who was a wrestling fan in my cousin.
Adventures in Wrestling Fandom
00:10:00
Speaker
And that was, we had a sleepover and it was Chad and myself and my cousin. And it, it was Chad and I teaming up on him to basically make fun of him all night.
00:10:19
Speaker
If anyone in the tavern or anybody knows us, if we're giving you shit and shitting on you, it's all in good fun. That's kind of our sense of humor. That's how you know we like you and we feel comfortable with you. What's crazy about that? We tag teamed that poor bastard that night. We didn't even know each other at that point. No.
00:10:40
Speaker
So, you know, he brought us in, you know, as a mutual friend of his and we teamed up on him and from there. But the cool thing was that night, you know, that was kind of our first bonding night. But yeah, we there was wrestling figures there, I remember. Yeah. And that's when we first realized that holy shit, we both were really like wrestling. Yeah. Yeah.
00:11:03
Speaker
That's good. That's okay. Yeah. Um, so as far as like the birth of the tavern, what do you think, Sneed? When did it really? So, you know, taking it through, I mean, if we're going, we'll go through a timeline. So, you know, we go through high school. Um, we, you know, in, in junior high, Chad and I started a backyard wrestling. So we would book and do trampoline wrestling. Um,
00:11:33
Speaker
for EHW, Extreme Hardcore Wrestling. We had a whole cast of characters there, so we built this whole federation. All throughout high school, because that was Attitude Era and Monday Night Wars, that was the time that we were
00:11:54
Speaker
you know, in high school coming up. So, you know, we always had wrestling to talk about. And, um, you know, we went through high school, best friends in high school, graduated. And then after that we lived together, you know, right out of high school, we had a house together. Um, and then we lived in New York city together, went to a bunch of Rawls at the garden, went to ECW one night stand.
Creating a Welcoming Podcast Atmosphere
00:12:23
Speaker
Yeah so we did a lot of iconic events there.
00:12:27
Speaker
met some really good wrestling minded people and kind of solidified us that the New York crowd is, is a, uh, is a different fan base. Oh yeah. Just rabid. Um, and then, you know, we, we've moved every, you know, we've moved and lived together pretty much anyway. You know, Florida, we went to college in Florida, um, came back. Chad was in LA for a while and I didn't go out there. I stayed here in West Virginia. Um,
00:12:56
Speaker
And then while he was in LA, that's when we started talking about doing a podcast.
00:13:02
Speaker
And, uh, so the turnbuckle tavern, I want to say, if I remember correctly that the name, was it like a kind of like a play on like, like kind of like bar stool sports or something like that? Or is that like, like, where's that, where's that name come from? Cause that, that would, that name would, I mean, synonymous with wrestling, turnbuckle. I mean, if you, if you're a wrestling fan anyway, um, yeah. When we.
00:13:32
Speaker
I think we were about to record and we didn't have a name. We were about to record the first episode and we were standing outside of Sneed's apartment and we wanted a name. What's funny is we do like lofty goals. It's like, man, we want to be like the pro wrestling barstool, just shit, talking fans, talking about what they love, you know? But that wasn't the M.O. in the beginning. We didn't ever even think of that. We were just like, we want a name.
00:14:00
Speaker
We don't want it to be a saying from wrestling or anything. We wanted it to be a place, like a place you go. From where you can come and hang out. The first thing we said was- This was almost the name. Yeah, we said Turnbuckle Tabernacle, which is like a church. Oh, geez. We're like, that's too much. It's a mouthful. We're like, what about Tavern?
00:14:28
Speaker
Fuck it, you know, we figured a lot of people would probably think we were, you know, it was gonna be all about
00:14:36
Speaker
drinking because of the name. It was more of just your cheers, where everybody knows your name. It's where you go to hang out and talk with your buddies. That's where it came from in my head. What do you think, Steve? That's definitely what it was. Tabernacle, it seemed like a whole mouthful of worms. Coming on to host and to say, turn buckle, Tabernacle, it was just way too much.
00:15:07
Speaker
You don't want to have to hit on all that. And, you know, before we had, you know, we had had plans for other podcasts, not just wrestling, but we had had plans to do other, you know, more of just an entertainment type podcast.
00:15:23
Speaker
you know, we wanted it to be a place like a cabin, you know, you could have different rooms to go in and have, you know, different things happen, you know, things, different shows and different, you know, topics to talk about in each room. So we just kind of wanted it to be a place. And I think, you know, I think like Chad said, cheers where everybody knows, you know, just a easy, fun hangout place that a tavern just sounds like that.
00:15:53
Speaker
Yeah, you definitely get the, when you listen to each show, you definitely get that vibe. I'm not, you know, I'm not throwing the rod down in there, but you know, just at the beginning, like all the, like the show is like, you know, broken VCR. Like you get, you get that vibe of like, you know, it's almost like a welcoming
Forming Online Connections
00:16:10
Speaker
vibe. Like it's like, you got, even like your speaking voices, you guys aren't like, you're not abrasive. You're not, you're not loud. You're not yelling into the mic or anything. You're very,
00:16:19
Speaker
you know, you're very calm and stuff like that. So like, obviously, you know, things, things arise if there's an argument, obviously, you know, you get loud, but yeah, but as far as like, you know, as far as, as far as, like I said, like even the speaking voices are like, you know, it's very, it's very calming. So it's almost like, you know, like, well, we get welcoming people in, but then maybe that's the trick. So when you get people on the debate, and you
00:16:41
Speaker
You lull them in with your calm voices and then you trap them on the show and start to put them against the wall.
00:16:50
Speaker
I definitely get that vibe from across the shows. And like you said, it's like friends just hanging out, shooting the shit. I'll use the raw down, for example, like myself, Anthony, and J-Bone. We're three different age groups, but we all gel really well. It's a strange, it's like we've never met each other in person. I mean, obviously we see each other on camera, but if you watch that show, it's like,
00:17:18
Speaker
You wouldn't know that we never met each other or we didn't know each other for like months or anything like that. Or he actually spent a year. So yeah, man. And it, it shows. That's the thing that I love about like.
00:17:32
Speaker
seeing people you've befriended on other shows and watching the chemistry grow and you can feel it when it starts clicking. You just know if something's forced or you can hear it in any podcast. That's one thing about Rawdown. You guys just click. It's really cool. Yeah. It was the same thing with the Chick Foley show. We've been doing the show for, I mean, I've been on the show for
00:17:57
Speaker
Three years, I want to say. I could be wrong. But I've never met Sheena in person, and you wouldn't even know at all from listening to the show. You would think like we've known each other for ages, for like 20 years or something like that. But just by listening to it, you could tell that like we all just clicked, like myself. Yeah, man. Seth Jordan, like Jordan just jumped in later, too. Like he's more of a recent addition.
00:18:24
Speaker
He's just doing like our Patreon episodes where we do like the we do watch alongs. We had like a Royal Rumble series that we were doing. We kind of stopped doing what we might have to bring that back. That's the thing I love about like Chick Foley and extra coolers. Like when I listen because I've been listening to you guys for a while and it's almost like.
00:18:47
Speaker
the best part of those type of shows is when the hosts you can feel are comfortable. Like with Extra Cooler, those guys have been lifelong friends and you feel it. Yeah. And then with you guys, there's a chemistry with all of you where when when the people are making inside jokes at one another. Yeah. And you you're a regular listener and you feel like you're led into this little world and it's like you're hanging out with your buddies for an hour a week. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:19:16
Speaker
it's a very cool feeling yeah that's it's i mean it's obviously it's weird like just knowing that people like are drawn into that type of thing because you do i mean i do myself when i listen to other podcasts too so you like you feel like you're uh like you said in on the joke essentially but like i mean i like the fact that like a lot of these shows like we don't
00:19:35
Speaker
You know, this we don't try to edit everything out to like we just leave it in. It's like, you know, we're just regular people. We're not we're not we're not we're not professionals. Same bite bite. It's live. Yeah. So like if we mess up and you've heard it plenty of times on the trickfully show, like if we like just die laughing at something or like it's not going to be edited, we're just going to leave it in because it's hilarious. And you know, I think that's I think like I said, that's
00:20:03
Speaker
That's like the feel I get from like the Turbocal Terrence shows. It's like, you're all definitely friends. You can definitely tell, but you wouldn't be able to tell like if you were just like, you know, if you were just listening, like you wouldn't know that you guys know each other for 20 years or anything like that. But where did, so where did, let's go to, I want to kind of like
00:20:25
Speaker
at like do the addition to the turnbuckle tavern so like like I want to see like the OG so like where did where did Tom come into play the OG Fin King how did he come into the uh into the world of the turnbuckle tavern would you guys meet him yeah so it's kind of a strange story how he became a part of it um
00:20:44
Speaker
We're both a part of the Major Brothers Facebook group. You and Tom, not me and Tom. So Tom and I are part of this group and I had.
00:21:02
Speaker
you know, I didn't really have anybody and they were doing this big fitness challenge and everything in that group. Well, I had gone to the doctor and I found out some medical stuff that I had going on and I went looking for advice in that group. And Tom was the first person to send me a DM and we talked about
00:21:24
Speaker
this book that he had recommended. And, you know, that's all we really talked about. And then we, then we got to talking about the podcast and he listened. And then he said that he, I had told Chad because he told me, he said, I'd like to come on because I have a way to fix WWE.
00:21:45
Speaker
And that was, and this was when WWE was in the absolute shitter. Yeah. Yeah. This was, you know, like the past 10 years, the past 20 years. Right.
00:21:59
Speaker
So I told Chad, you know, I brought it to the table. I told Chad, I said, Hey, and because at that time we had never had anybody besides Hawk as a call in or a guest or anything. We'll get to him. We'll get to him as well. Tom, you know, Tom came on that night and we talked about it about his way to fix WWE. And then we start chatting. We were like, you know, it'd be fun to debate something like that. Yeah.
00:22:27
Speaker
And then that's where, you know, for how long was it just me, you and Tom Chad? Uh, 18 weeks. We did 18 episodes with just me, you and Tom. And because initially we were like, we should have a debate segment on the show. But at the time in the beginning, the flagship show had the dynamite debate. And then we had a 30 minute interview typically in there. So the shows were like crazy long.
00:22:54
Speaker
And we're like, man, we can't do it another 30 second 30 minute segment of debating. So let's just do a debate show. And we brought Tom on and the rest is history. So it's top like the is is he kind of the creator of the debate show? Is he the I mean, he's definitely the catalyst. He was the guy he was what what got the juices flowing to get that idea.
00:23:22
Speaker
Uh, to make me and Steve had talked, we wanted more of, we wanted, we were like, the show's missing something. We agree on so much. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. We needed that. We needed another opinion that we didn't like, you know, me and Sneed have known each other so long. We have a lot of parallel thoughts. So like that was the, and then when Tom brought that to the, the call in on the flagship, we were like, let's get Tom. I like Tom.
00:23:51
Speaker
Yeah. Cause we, you know, he was, he was the WWE guy. That was, that was his thing. You know, we were both a W and he was W hardcore WWE. He wasn't on a W at all at that point.
00:24:03
Speaker
Oh, OK. And he had he had he remembered, you know, Tom's a little bit older than us. Sorry, Tom. You're old. Get over it. Just a little bit. But, you know, he remembered Andre and the chic. And we I think my or my earliest wrestling memory is.
00:24:21
Speaker
Bob Euchre being choked by Andre the Giant. That's the first thing I remember. But he remembered a little before that, so it was good to get someone who had a longer history of watching wrestling on too. Yep.
00:24:34
Speaker
Yeah, that brings me back to my point. I would have thought he was someone that you guys have known for forever and just know that he was just someone that you
Evolution of Podcast Content
00:24:49
Speaker
met through the Facebook group. That's pretty insane. That goes to show just like the chemistry that you guys have.
00:24:59
Speaker
just in general, like I wouldn't even have known that if I don't even think I knew that story. I just always assumed that, you know, Tom was, you know, one of your best friends and, you know, he's been he's been he's been with you guys forever. But yeah, 18 episodes with just me, Sneed and Tom on the debate. And I think this week we record our hundred and fifth episode. So that's how we did 18 with just us three. And our first guest was actually Sheena on episode 19.
00:25:29
Speaker
That's right. Yeah. And then every episode since then, outside of maybe one or two, it's been, you know, a guest every week. Yep. Yeah. Yep. I've done it a few times. I think I did it once. Did I do it once by myself? And then I did it twice. Yeah. Twice by yourself. Twice by yourself. And one with Seth, right? And one with Seth. Yeah. Yeah. No, I love, I loved it with the debate show. I wish, I wish Tom was on.
00:25:55
Speaker
Uh, that time I was on, but he, uh, got scared. But, um,
00:26:07
Speaker
We'll skip past Mike Bellcaster because we don't want to go down that road. We all know how that happened, but Mike's a great guy. I'll just say we stole Mike from a prior show because Mike was a super fucking rad cool dude. We love Mike Bellcaster. We'll just leave it at we love Mike Bellcaster. He's the man.
00:26:30
Speaker
He's a great addition to the Pot Foundation in general. He's awesome. And one thing I want to say too about meeting the, you know, having these people on these shows and you have this chemistry. And like you said, Marco, it was like we've, you felt like we had known Tom forever. Yeah. We met Tom for the first time in person back in August of this year.
00:26:56
Speaker
That's crazy. Which is, and I'll say it was, you know, we met Mike in Chicago last year and all out, you know, and it's the, it's such an indescribable, weird feeling.
00:27:11
Speaker
meeting somebody in the flesh after you've had such chemistry with them just over video. So true. Yeah. You can't explain it because you feel like you know them. Yeah. And you do, but you haven't been in their presence. So when you're in their presence, it's this weird sensation as hokey as it sounds. It's a feeling like it
00:27:33
Speaker
that I've never felt before. I didn't really, you know, when I, when Tom walked down my steps and I've met, walked out to meet him, it was such an odd feeling, but it was
00:27:45
Speaker
nice to finally finally get to meet the guy yeah i think i did that before uh what am i uh it was what am i work what am i work uh meetings we had or work parties or something like that it was i think it was like a co-worker i've only seen like on like on a meeting on like a team's meeting
00:28:05
Speaker
So like when I met that person, I was like, Oh my God, I was like, Oh my God, it's so weird. I actually see you like in person. You're not this little square on my computer screen. You're like, you're actually here in front of me, but it wasn't, like you said, it definitely is weird. And, uh, definitely want to, I mean, I think we've talked about this, like probably like for the past year, like I think we all want to try to get like, get together at some point to like a foundation, like get together. And I think it will be, I think it will be a rather, uh,
00:28:33
Speaker
crazy night if that definitely does happen.
00:28:35
Speaker
Or, yeah, we're. Anytime. Yeah, anytime you meet anyone like if we were to meet, you know, any of you guys from, you know, Chick Foley, extracool or anybody, it's the 21st century version of meeting your pen pal. Oh, yeah, definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Because we literally talk every day. Yeah. Either we're texting every day or we're doing something in the vicinity of just interacting. Right. Right. We joked about this before, like when I when I was doing the Chick Foley show, like,
00:29:04
Speaker
when I first started. We talked to each other more than most of our actual real-life friends and our real-life family and stuff like that. It's the strangest thing ever, but it's almost like it's not like
00:29:16
Speaker
Like we have to, it's just something that we just normally do now. It's just like, it's just a way of the world. You're just interacting via, you know, social media or, you know, someone's, not even through someone's phone, like not even someone's actual phone number. For the most part, you're like interacting with even your close friends through some means of social media, not even their actual phone number, which is pretty, pretty insane. But let's, let's, let's get to Hawk. Cause he's a,
00:29:43
Speaker
He's the enigma. He's like the Jeff Hardy of the Army Alley. The resident asshole. Yeah, the resident dickhead. Because you get conflicting reports, right? I mean, I won't be breaking kayfabe, but I mean, we break kayfabe. It doesn't matter. But it's either he's an extremely nice guy when you meet him in person, but if you listen to the
00:30:11
Speaker
the flagship show or, uh, long balls. He doesn't seem like he's the nicest, nicest of guys. He just seems like he's just a, just a, just a beat old man. Oh yeah. He's the taverns MJF. He lives the gimmick. Um, he,
00:30:28
Speaker
I met Hawk at film school in Florida in 2007. Both love film. Obviously, we do the broken VCR. That's a big part of our lives as far as just the film passion and everything.
00:30:48
Speaker
Uh, we've remained close over the years. We lived together in Los Angeles. Um, and then, you know, when we were doing the podcast, when we were thinking of it, me and Steve were like, I think we did the first episode by ourselves. And we were like, we should have something with a not someone who doesn't watch wrestling. Come on.
00:31:10
Speaker
Who do we know that would actually watch every week and give us something good to play off of? And I'm like, if Hawk will watch every week, let's get Hawk. And he was totally down. And it's been fun, man, because
00:31:25
Speaker
If you go back and listen to those early episodes, you've really if you just listen to the call the hawk segment on the flagship show, you've really seen a guy who hasn't watched wrestling since like the early 90s, since the golden era, you've witnessed a guy, a lapsed fan become a fan again.
00:31:44
Speaker
Honestly, yeah. Absolutely. And he will buck back and be like, I wouldn't watch it if I wasn't doing the ship bullshit. He's locked in now. But yeah, he just the classic. And that's the thing. He plays the asshole. But the big secret is Hawks a good dude and.
00:32:02
Speaker
Anyone who can take the amount of shit that me and Sneed give him every week and be a good sport about it. A lot of people would get upset, but I think that's what makes that segment fun. Yeah, he's uh, it's he's uh, like even the even the group chat that we have, he's uh, you know, he he wants to get back to the group chat. He hasn't he hasn't let up
00:32:24
Speaker
there and it's a shit. Disturb her man. Yeah. He loves it. Oh yeah. No, I, I know. Like I've, I've witnessed, I've witnessed some of the, the pretty much all the threads, uh, stuff has gone down, but, uh, I like, you know,
00:32:40
Speaker
just trying to figure him out. That's the game I like to play, is trying to figure out how to counteract Hawk. I don't want to give away my secrets, but that's what I try to do is I try to see what he'll post or what he'll write and then try to interact that way. Sometimes you want to
00:33:04
Speaker
He'll have a great point sometimes if you just want to, you know, gang up on the other person that he's going after. You know, it's fun. It's way more fun doing that. But like I said, it's he, like I said, just just everyone in general in that group.
00:33:21
Speaker
It's just amazing. I mean, J-Bone and Young Anthony, they came in off of doing the debates and then we did like a raw down recap and a smack down recap. And that's where they came in working with Tom and then, you know,
00:33:38
Speaker
It was just a heavy workload. So we're like, that's when Raul down was created. Like let's combine these shows and make it just a WWE centric show. And I mean, everybody brings something and. And then Ace coming in, I mean, Ace was another like he did the debate and just a solid fucking dude works his ass off, puts his heart and soul into shit and.
00:34:02
Speaker
I love it because like young Anthony, 19 years old. Yeah. It's such a good, fresh opinion. You've got old man, Tom. Sorry, Tom. There I go. You know, like we have the spectrum, you know, from Tom to Anthony. It's just fun to have a variety of opinions under one roof kind of.
00:34:27
Speaker
bouncing off your flavors, like what do you like, you know? Yeah. Yeah. He just had to do this. Just doing that show and like it here. I think I talked to I say this to my wife all the time to like just like doing that show
Podcasting as a Creative Outlet
00:34:42
Speaker
with with both of them. It's like they said it definitely is like a fresh set of eyes and ears.
00:34:47
Speaker
to the product. Yeah. Because obviously he's coming in, you know, late. So he's really getting into wrestling like the late, late, late 2000s. Not even in the gold era. It's crazy to me. Crazy to me. Yeah. And it's insane. But at the same time, like you, he has, he has some really good takes.
00:35:03
Speaker
yeah on a lot of stuff so he's like he's knowledgeable the sense where you know he's he's a he's a student he goes back and watches the old stuff whether or not he likes it i mean that's you know that's that's your own opinion i mean you can watch stuff you know back then and say yes it is cringy it is really bad yeah there is stuff that's really good on dx
00:35:23
Speaker
Oh yeah, like it's the same. Hey, you know what? Just going back and watching it. I get it. Probably have to agree with them on some of that stuff. It's just like, it is really cringy. And if you listen to like, like on Road Dog, his podcast, he talks about it as well. Like, he doesn't agree with a lot of stuff now. Right. They did back then. Like, things change, times change, a lot of stuff. You definitely wouldn't be able to get away with a lot of stuff. We were watching back in the
00:35:48
Speaker
back of the wrestling Cold War era there with nature and raw. I got to give young Anthony his props just for a quick second because 19 years old, the kid's a student of the game. He has knowledge on things that he shouldn't have knowledge on, which shows you that he goes back and watches.
00:36:10
Speaker
When he's our age, when he's late 30s, early 40s, kid's going to be a monster when it comes to wrestling opinion, wrestling trivia. If he doesn't stop watching.
00:36:22
Speaker
to have the mind for pro wrestling as a fan that he does at his age is pretty impressive to me. Yeah. And he's with us. So I mean, he's learning from the, he's learning from the best. So exactly. He better be good with the, uh, but, um, um, but I want to kind of pivot off of like the wrestling stuff and get into, we kind of toggle a broken VCR and stuff like that. Cause I want to get into like,
00:36:44
Speaker
your like the other interests of both of you. So obviously, you know, I know definitely film is one of those things. So I want to deep dive into that because I'm a I'm a movie buff myself. I love pretty much, you know, the most obscure movies. So the most commercial movies. So where did
00:37:04
Speaker
Where did the love of movies come into play for you? Was it a movie that you see that really opened your eyes to movie magic and cinematography? Or was it a story for both of you? For me,
00:37:26
Speaker
It's a combination of a couple things. I am a kid of the VHS rental generation. Yep. And I came from a divorced family. So when I would go to my mom's on the weekend,
00:37:42
Speaker
There was a video rental store where I grew up called Mr. Video. If you went and rented three VHS tapes, you got a fourth free. Well, my mom is a sucker for the deal. Every Friday, she would let me rent four movies.
00:37:59
Speaker
And so that kind of became a thing mixed with my grandmother. Every time I would go to go to stay with her, she worked evening shifts. So she would, when she would get home from work, she would stay up until three or four in the morning and I'd stay up with her.
Influences of Film and Collecting
00:38:14
Speaker
And the only thing she watched was it monster movies and Westerns.
00:38:19
Speaker
And also growing up as a kid, you know, you had TBS is dinner in a movie. You had USA Up All Night with Rhonda Shearer, Gilbert Godfrey. You had Joe Bob Briggs, Monster Vision. So I I just got attached to escaping into worlds. I'm an only child. It passed time. I loved that shit. And my early I know I said my earliest wrestling memory
00:38:45
Speaker
was Bob Euchre getting choked by Andre the Giant, but my earliest memory in life, like the first thing I can ever remember, is walking into a room, I had to be two or three years old because I remember the armrest of the couch was above my head, so that's how short I was.
00:39:05
Speaker
And I remember walking around the couch and there it was a dark room. My parents were in there with a couple of friends. They were probably in their early 20s. And there the TV, they were watching the TV and on the TV, there was a bloody body bag being drugged down the hallway. And and someone noticed that I was in the room and picked me up and took me out of the room.
00:39:32
Speaker
come to find out they were watching A Nightmare on Elm Street, if you remember the scene with the girl in the body bag and Nancy Caesar. So my earliest memory in life is walking into a room where my parents were watching A Nightmare on Elm Street. So all of that kind of, I think it just sunk into my psyche and made me fall in love with just the moving picture, you know, cinema.
00:39:59
Speaker
What's your take on movies? Well, I love movies and a lot of it has been because it's something that Chad has suggested to watch or that we've watched together. I don't have the knowledge and Chad and Hot can go.
00:40:24
Speaker
for hours about movies. I enjoy watching movies. Um, and it's the same thing, you know, my brother was six years older than me. So a lot of the movies that he was watching, I wasn't allowed to watch, but, uh, but I was, I would sneak in and watch, and then I'd get scared and have nightmares.
00:40:43
Speaker
and get in trouble for watching those. But I've always been fascinated, you know, music and movies alike. I've always been fascinated with the sound of it and how things, you know, how things are done technically. So when I went to college, Chad and Hawk, they met in film school. I went to the same school, but I went for audio engineering.
00:41:06
Speaker
Um, so, you know, that's, you know, when we started doing the podcast, that, that was one thing that kept us from doing it for so long. Cause I wanted to make sure we did it right and didn't come in with, you know, terrible sound or terrible equipment. And, you know, it that's, you know, during the pandemic was when China together, but, um, you know, my passion, you know, my big passion outside of that.
00:41:35
Speaker
It has always been collecting, too. And not just wrestling figures, you know, it's collecting on all levels, autographs and vinyl. And Chad can tell you there's so much shit around this room. Like, oh, yeah, I have no room to hang most of it. So a lot of collectibles, a lot of collectibles there. And go ahead. I was going to say, Chad, are you the same with collecting?
00:42:04
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm not I'm not in a in different ways. I think most of my friends, most people I click with have some version of the collector gene. OK, like a lot of figure collectors. Sneed Sneed kind of runs the gamut. He has a little bit of everything. I'm a movie collector, been collecting movies since I was a teenager, so
00:42:33
Speaker
That's my big, that's my kryptonite. And I know a lot of people, oh, you still buy movies? There's all this streaming. Fuck that, man. I'm all about physical media and what people don't realize, the boutique collector scene of Blu-rays is probably the biggest it's ever been. Everyone thinks that they don't do that anymore, but it's me and Hawker deep in the film collecting and it's a rabid, rabid fan base.
00:43:02
Speaker
Yeah, I was going to say, yeah, my wife, we have, I used to have like a massive collection of DVDs and Blu-rays and stuff, but I don't get rid of it. It's the same thing, you know, with figures, like in the film world, you know, there's a film, it's out of print and the thing will be $200 to get this. It's the same, the same rules apply. It's not just, you know, I'm not buying movies, like going on new release day and buying, I'm looking for like older,
00:43:29
Speaker
Most of the stuff me and Hawk collectors boutique stuff. Yeah, old films things like that. Not so much like new releases. Yeah. Yeah. It's the same thing with like, I mean, the movies, you know, kind of follow what music is doing. So like not everything is available on streaming platforms. Like you have to still like either physically buy it.
00:43:50
Speaker
or it's not even available to buy digitally most of the time you have to buy physically and i found that out the hard way cuz one of the movies i love is sort of a actually it's a thanksgiving movie i'm gonna go i'm gonna go with that and i wanted to watch it last year it was nowhere on streaming services it's uh have you ever heard of the movie dutch
00:44:11
Speaker
Oh yeah, John Hughes wrote that movie. I have it sitting on my shelf right now in DVD form. I'm looking at it as we talk. Did you work in VCR on Dutch? We haven't done Dutch yet. It's on the docket. I love Italy. If you do, I bought that episode.
00:44:26
Speaker
Yeah. Put me down. Put me down for that episode. Yeah, man. We'd love it. That's such a hidden gem. I love Dutch. Yes. I was looking for like Rabbitly last year, like, you know, Thanksgiving. I like to have a movie. I like watching like during like a holiday type of thing. So like that movie, it's a Thanksgiving movie. Not many people know about it.
00:44:49
Speaker
And, you know, just trying to find it was insane. Like the DVDs were like, it was like international versions and all this stuff. So like, you know, I had to like, you know, use my collector brain and just start like, you know, searching every aspect of anything I could find and ended up finding it and actually ended up getting it out. It was delivered after Thanksgiving, but I haven't primed it ready for, you know, this year, but just, uh, you know, it, like you said, it is a rabid fan base. And I was going to say my wife, you know, she wants to get rid of like our DVDs and I'm like, no, like,
00:45:19
Speaker
I bought some recent ones. I grabbed the Snyderverse Blu-ray collection. It has a booklet. It has art prints and all this stuff. It's one of those gift sets and whatever. I'm definitely not getting rid of that. That's a collector side of me. Don't even think about it. I'm the same. I'm definitely not getting rid of that. Even if I don't watch it,
00:45:48
Speaker
I have they live I have like the collector's version of they live. That's one of my favorite movies. Love I love John Carpenter. He's one of my favorites. Yeah, so yeah, yeah Yeah, that's that's another thing like there's a lot of like filmmakers that uh That I didn't know I liked their movies until I played obviously when you're younger You're not really, you know falling filmmakers and movies a directed or right well to produce but as you get older like you you find out that you're you have like a
00:46:14
Speaker
you have a certain taste of movies and you'll probably find out that that one person was either behind it, produced it, directed it, or wrote it. That was the beauty of being an early fan when all of these films were out there you hadn't seen.
00:46:32
Speaker
I would say in my late teens, I was picking up on, OK, this guy did this movie and he did this. What else has he done? And I would just literally get his DVDs and start working through, you know, Scorsese, Spielberg, Kubrick, Carpenter, Cronenberg, De Palma, all of these guys. And that that's like.
00:46:56
Speaker
When you're discovering your fandom like everything still kind of fresh and new and there's so much discovery in those early days that it's you can't explain it and. You know my dad if i did there if i top one hundred films and a thing that me and my dad did kind of a bonding thing. We bought all of the movies on the top one hundred list and try to watch them all so things like that as a kid like wow that gets.
Collaborative Growth and Success
00:47:21
Speaker
You know, it took me to film school where I met Hawk and we moved to L.A. and we're both screenwriters still actively like we have friends in the industry. One of our super, super close friends talked to him every day, almost just wrote a film that is getting rave reviews right now. Howard Stern put it over. It's got, I think, a 98 percent on Rotten Tomato called To Leslie.
00:47:50
Speaker
So we're we're still actively kind of chasing the dream of writing. And so that's a big part that doesn't really come out in the wrestling podcast for me and Hawk. But like we're currently.
00:48:07
Speaker
me and one of our other good friends that are tight little kind of artist group of friends. We're working on a thing that's we've been we've had several Zoom calls with Cedric the entertainer who produces a lot of television stuff now. Oh, nice. And yeah, one of our
00:48:27
Speaker
It's a 30 minute show. I won't go into details. But so we're in the process of like talking to CBS. And so there's there's we've had pitches with CBS and things of that nature. So we're.
00:48:41
Speaker
We're not just fans in the we're fans. That's why I love wrestling is because it's just fandom. Yeah. With with film, it was a fandom that turned into a passion of like we want to do this. So there's there's a little bit of a critical eye where I can still enjoy films, but where you're trying to do it yourself, you do have a little bit of that critical eye where with wrestling, it's purely fandom. You know what I mean? Yep. Yeah, definitely. And
00:49:10
Speaker
I was going to say the same thing to you, as I said, to Nick, if you guys do make it, obviously don't forget us. We'll probably fall to the wayside. Dude, if anyone, if me Sneed or anyone in our crew ever scratches some big money, it'll only watch out because the tavern will become
00:49:36
Speaker
We'll get all the nice cameras, go live, get a big fancy studio. Who knows what could happen if we hit the lottery. One thing we've always said is one makes it, we all make it. I was going to say to actually, I usually hold this off to the end of the show, but I'll just ask you now. What are your plans for? Obviously, you don't have to give all your plans, but what do you see the future of Turbuckle Tavern being?
00:50:07
Speaker
Besides the shows and stuff like that. We'll say five years from now, where do you see a turnbuckle tavern or do you even have any plans for five years from now for a turnbuckle tavern? For me, it's just keep having fun, keep doing it, and the proof is in the pudding. Good thing. If you just keep doing it and stay consistent,
00:50:32
Speaker
Who knows where it could go? We're not stopping. It's just going to continue. We always joke around. We're Conrad without the cash. We'd love to be the barstool of wrestling podcasts or the ringer of wrestling podcasts and entertainment podcasts. That's all in good fun. We're just trying to do what we do and have fun doing it.
00:50:58
Speaker
Yeah, the goal never, you know, when we started out, the goal is always just to, it was, I mean, the conversation that you hear on Turnbuckle Tavern is conversation that Chad and I would have without a microphone. Yeah, that's, that's this, it's just the stuff that we would talk about it. And
00:51:17
Speaker
putting a microphone in front of us and recording it. That's, that was always just the goal was just to be able to talk about it and put it out and, you know, maybe have people like it and listen to it. Um, you know, the, the goal is for me is to just continue to, to evolve and make it better. And, um, you know, if, if one day we can become Conrad with the cash, that wouldn't be bad, but it's always just about the fun that we have.
00:51:44
Speaker
Yeah, I always, uh, we, uh, every time we do the, uh, check fully show, we always, obviously. Before we actually record, there's always like conversations, stuff like that. Catch it up. How was your week? Well, while that suffered, like, we always wanted to do, like, you know, like you said, once you turn the microphones on, it says, you know, we're just talking and like normally when there's, there's no real.
00:52:05
Speaker
Like, we do, we kind of follow a format, like, you know, we'll just write down, like, here's what we got to talk about. Like, we'll talk about this, this, and this. But not like bullet points. It's like, here's a topic. We kind of just toss, like, Seth, you listen to the show, Seth will toss us the questions and stuff like that. So, we don't know what question he's going to ask. He'll just like, he'll just give us a topic, hey, we got to, you know, review this show. And then I'm going to just ask a question. So, like, but even before that, before we record, you know, we're talking about life stuff, like, you know,
00:52:35
Speaker
what's happening and blah, blah, blah. Like, we always wanted to do something where we just hit record before the show and do like the before the show recordings. Like, oh, yeah, do a wrestling at all. Just us, like, you know, shit on each other or, you know, just talk about that shit, man. I think people love when, you know, they're tuning into a show and it devolves into something where you, you get a peek into the person outside of just what you're there to listen to, you know?
00:53:02
Speaker
You get to if you want to hear like, you know, the like a marital dispute. Yeah. That might be fun to listen to. Yeah, I love that. I'm going to still try to pitch it to him, but we'll see what happens. But it's it's a but yeah, just like. Just having like I think that, like you said, it makes the pot sweeter when when your friends are involved. Yeah.
00:53:26
Speaker
And, you know, if it, you know, something does happen where it does make it big or, you know, some type of glimmer of success happens. It's like, you know, everyone gets to celebrate as opposed to, you know, that one person, like you said, if one makes it, everyone thinks it. So that's the crazy thing is Chad and I's lives are so intertwined, you know, Chad's, you know, peek behind the curtain. Chad's Chad's girlfriend is my stepsister. Um, a few years ago, after years and years of, of,
00:53:55
Speaker
best friendship with Chad, we found out that we are distantly related. Yeah. Yeah.
00:54:03
Speaker
Super weird. How's that? How, whoa, whoa. How does that happen? How are you dissing? Are you like distant cousins or? Yeah. Like second or third cousins, I think. Yeah. Yeah. How'd you find this out? Was this through like DNA or just like needs? It was my dad. So, you know, dad was living in LA at the time and his grandfather passed away and he came in for the services and
00:54:31
Speaker
while he was in, I was at my grandmother's house with my dad. My grandmother was reading the, she was reading the paper and she saw the obituary for Chad's grandfather. And she said, well, Kenneth Smith passed away and they got to talking and, and I didn't realize, you know, there was, um, Kenneth's brother and, and my grandmother, uh,
00:54:56
Speaker
Is that what it was they had they had kids like it was so yeah, it's some old-school shit that could not happen in the social media age where essentially My grand my grandfather's brother had two families. Oh Okay, one family was my family and one family was Sneed's family. Oh
00:55:17
Speaker
The classic guy has two separate lives. You see it a lot back in those days and it just happened to be, and I'd always heard of them, but I never put two and two together
00:55:38
Speaker
When I would hear the names mentioned in my family and I would hear Sneed mention these names too, I never thought it was the same person. How could it be, you know, whatever. And then when Sneed's dad kind of dropped the bomb on us, we were like, that is crazy because it was very, it's a very simpatico friendship between me and Sneed, even down to a weird
00:55:58
Speaker
thing of in high school to this day, where Sneed grew up and where I grew up, my mom's telephone number is 2024 and Sneed's mom's telephone number is 2124.
00:56:13
Speaker
That's crazy. I think my report card would show up at Sneed's house by accident sometimes. I got your high school transcripts. They sent them to me. There was a lot of weird things that just happened, very coincidental, weird things in our friendship. Wow. What was that like when you both found that out?
00:56:42
Speaker
Like, did you guys just, like, did you sit down or just like, we had a, we had a three hour car ride to Kentucky to watch down and talked about how fucking crazy it was. Yeah, we, we drew, we drove three hours to a heavy metal show and was just like, how fucking crazy is that, man? That you just, wow. That's, I mean, that's insane that you guys know each other for,
00:57:08
Speaker
So many years, like how how far into your friendship was
Inspiration and Influence in Podcasting
00:57:12
Speaker
it? Would you find that we met? We met in I would say what, 96, 96, 95, somewhere in there. And I think we found that out in 2011. Wow. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah.
00:57:32
Speaker
That's almost a movie right there if you think about it. It's weird. That's crazy. I wouldn't even know what to do if one of my best friend I found out later in life was like a second cousin or a third cousin.
00:57:50
Speaker
That would freak me out so much. I'm in a family like I only knew my cousins, my aunts, my uncles, the extended extended family. I know some families, they have the family tree down on lock. Mine was just the nuclear family and then my mom's sisters or brothers and my dad's brothers and things like that and their kids, but beyond that, I didn't know anyone. Wow.
00:58:19
Speaker
And my family is just so big that it's, it's tough to know everybody. Yeah. But if you guys find out you're related to Hawk, how crazy would that be? Oh God.
00:58:33
Speaker
Yeah, might have changed my name. That'd be pretty insane. Man, I was like, that's, uh, yeah, I would, like I said, I don't even know what I would do if I found that out. That'd be
00:58:55
Speaker
I'd be mindful. It's almost like you knew someone your whole life pretty much. It makes it kind of official. Like you said, you think back and you're like, oh, this kind of makes sense, how we met and how you guys...
00:59:13
Speaker
Gel pretty much it was like it was meant to be it's kind of weird like the friendship was meant to be because it wasn't like we were friends We were like tight, you know best friends. Yeah, we're in high school People we what's the Chad's doing?
00:59:30
Speaker
All of our friends called Sneed, it's Chad Sneed, but we all called him Sneed and I was Chad. But if people referred to us, it was always like the Chads. And then that's what popped me when, I don't know if it was Sheena or Seth, but when you guys started calling us the two bad Chads, I'm like, it continues to this day.
00:59:47
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, that's I mean, maybe that it's just like way the way the universe works. It's like, yeah, you just get that. You like not even obviously not even knowing you to like you get that like, you get that notion that you guys are kind of like one, even though you're two different people, you're almost like one, you're one Chad, but you're like a two headed monster. Actually, I remember I remember them saying that I'm like, did they come up with the two bad chads? Or was that?
01:00:16
Speaker
I'm glad they put it on us because if me and Snead started referring to ourselves as the two bad chads, that would be the doucheous move. Exactly. Yeah, you don't want to call yourself your own nickname. I didn't come up with the MVP. We talked about it in the very first episode. That was something that Cheetah came up with because I was just
01:00:37
Speaker
I was kind of like the MVP of the Chick Foley show. Yeah, you gotta have your nickname dubbed. Yeah, I was in covenant saying, hey, shoot, call me the MVP. Debbie said, like you said, be really douchey. Just for the record, though, all of Hawk's nicknames are self-given. Yeah, like the Wayward. Yeah, that's all him. Yeah, exactly. What does he call the ratings wizard? The ratings wizard. Yeah, whatever.
01:01:06
Speaker
Yeah, that's, I mean, yeah, if you have to give yourself nicknames, that's, uh, that's, that's very telling, but, um, that's one that we come up with for dummy. That's a, that's a great one. That's a, that's awesome. You should stick with that.
Passion and Motivation in Podcasting
01:01:22
Speaker
Uh, but no, uh, what was I gonna say? Um, so as far as like, uh, like motivation goes, when do you guys get the motivation to do, like, to do this? Cause I think I talked to everybody.
01:01:36
Speaker
the show just like it's it's not easy podcast it seems like it's easy it seems like we're having a fun time obviously where you know we're laughing where we're yucking it up as they like to say but there's a lot of crap that goes into this you have to like
01:01:50
Speaker
you have to prep for shows, you have to like obviously we're in the wrestling world so we have to watch like hours upon hours of wrestling content and read a lot of wrestling news and you know even that like for me I'll just give an example for me I have to like set time for people like I have to I have to work on someone else's schedule I can't just say hey be on the show tonight I have to go when are you available and then you know if I don't know the person which most of the people I don't know that I've had on the show like
01:02:17
Speaker
Not that I don't know them, but I've never met them in person. I don't know them personally, so I'll have to do a little bit of research. I'll go on their social media, scroll. When I had the interview over the boot sale, I literally... I think I said it on the show with her. I was a creep. I literally scrolled all the way back to the beginnings of her Instagram just to get some information about her playing the piano and singing and all that stuff. It is a lot of work.
01:02:46
Speaker
I mean, I get the motivation because I love doing it. I just love, you know, I love talking to people. I love talking wrestling. It also helps if you if you like love or like the people that you're actually doing it with. That that makes it even even better. So where do you guys
01:03:05
Speaker
get the motivation to do this. For me, as an adult, we all know how life gets ahead of you. You have your shoot job where you're at 40 hours a week. But the motivation for me is that no matter what happens, no matter what goes on, no matter what bullshit's thrown at you,
01:03:29
Speaker
For one night a week, I know that I get to hang out with my buddies, watch wrestling and talk shit. So I know once a week, you know, no matter what happens, I know I have that coming. Yeah, it's it's the wrestling fan version of poker night. Yeah. Where, you know, one night a week, it's just you and your buddies and and you're you're getting to to watch
01:03:56
Speaker
what you love because the whole watching the wrestling and reading the articles and staying up on things, I was doing that before the podcast. I feel like everybody's doing, that's not as far as it can be trying to show up every week. To me, it's more of the prep of
01:04:19
Speaker
the hard part of it that you have to time manage is the, you know, the graphics and making the things like that. But we've got it down to such a well oiled thing that it really is. It's a friendship thing. It's like a it's a good way to we're producing something creative out of something we would already be doing. Yeah. So it's it's
01:04:49
Speaker
It's just a a fun a Fun thing to stay creative because for me it's honestly like therapy like I'm the type of person I'm a very like creative I like creating things where whether it's a podcast or writing or making the graphics and Being busy with stuff like that Gives me
01:05:15
Speaker
It makes me feel like I'm doing more than just going to work, coming home, repeat, rinse and repeat. So that's a big thing for me is like having a creative outlet. And if I'm not being creative, it honestly get depressed. Yeah. What do I used to need? Is it feelings mutual or what's your motivation for continuing doing this?
01:05:44
Speaker
For sure. I mean, it's, it's definitely that, you know, like I get to, to have an outlet, uh, to, to get in, to get here and just talk about wrestling. Um, you know, and Hawk would say the same thing, you know, he probably, you know, we wouldn't talk as much if it wasn't for the podcast. Right.
01:06:05
Speaker
So being able to do that every week, it's, it's fun. And it gives me, you know, my shoot job doesn't have anything to do with audio engineering or what I went to school for. This gives me a chance to, to use that and, and everything that I've.
01:06:22
Speaker
I've learned to create. And like Chad said, it's it's such a well oiled machine now that on Wednesdays, when we record the debate, we watch the show, we record the tavern and we're done by one thirty in the morning and we get up and go to our shoot jobs at seven. You know, yeah. And we've recorded two shows for the week in the course of an evening. And it just flows, you know, as we're watching dynamite, the graphics are being made that way when it's done, Sneed bounces it down.
01:06:51
Speaker
throws it up and then boom there's no editing it's real time sit down record and the fun part of podcasts at least just speaking for like the tavern and the flagship show especially is finding these new funny little things and you don't plan them out they just happen you know and
01:07:15
Speaker
a thing that will become a recurring inside joke or finding like, style and grace. You know, Hawks of Stoner.
01:07:24
Speaker
So if you listen to The Flagship Show when Hawk's on there and we hit that style and grace drop from Stephanie McMahon's entrance music, you now know that is our slang for weed, is style and grace. And that spurned out of just a moment and it's became a thing on the show that we use to just pop each other. So I love little stuff like that. That's another thing that's kind of motivating is like,
01:07:49
Speaker
You don't set out to find those things, but it's like waiting for those happy accidents to happen is so like motivating and rewarding. And it makes you feel like, oh, that was good. I love that. I love that. I have so many sound drops that I've added to the board just out of conversation. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, just to speak for like the, you know, the raw down aspect, we definitely obviously, if you listen to this show, you know, we're heavy on the, uh,
01:08:16
Speaker
on the sound drops. I love the drops. Yeah. The other thing too is the, you know, you talk about like the, you know, the, the inside jokes of like the things that just comes spur of the moment with recently us with Roman Reigns and the Roman impression. Exactly. It's just that, like, I think I said on the show, I was like, why did it take us so long to
01:08:38
Speaker
do this, to actually do like a Roman Reigns impression and do like, you know, Roman Reigns drops and stuff like that. Since we talk about him so much, and he's kind of like an integral part. And then like, obviously, the Booker T impression that I do that kind of came further open. Yeah.
01:08:53
Speaker
All these uh you know we do like you take a girl like doing that type of thing like like how do you like that's like that wasn't planned I didn't plan on doing the book of tea thing I think but he was like a topic or something like that and we and listeners you know being a lister of the show like you love that shit when something what
01:09:12
Speaker
You pull out a drop and especially if that drop hasn't been used in a while, but you've been listening from the beginning and you'll pull a drop out or something will hit that's an old joke and it's a callback to an old joke that only those longtime fans. That's why I listen to podcasts is to get into that, you know, to to click with with a crew of people where you know all their little intricacies and jokes and it's fun. Yeah. And I want to.
01:09:42
Speaker
I used to listen to a podcast where, you know, it was a two man podcast and they would like, you know, I think it was, it was two comedians and one of them would say, you know, you know, listen to the show from the beginning. So you get all the intricacies and all the, you know, all the inside jokes and stuff like that. And the other one would be like, no, don't do that. Because like,
01:09:59
Speaker
If we have a show date, you're not going to know because you're listening to, I never saw it from two years ago. It does make sense. You can listen to one show, the new show, then maybe go back and listen to the old show. Do it that way.
Listener Engagement and Community Impact
01:10:18
Speaker
the he is right. Like, if there are little like inside jokes, a little intricacies that you as a listener, like, you know, pick up on it, you feel like you're in with it. And like, with us, we have our we have our Facebook group, like the chick fully show Facebook group, but we interact with our listeners. So like, they even they're even more interactive in that sense, where they
01:10:40
Speaker
They're in on the joke because we're joking as well. So like, you know, obviously we have our, like, you know, we won't say it, but we have our favorites and our go to people in the group and stuff like that. But, you know, like John's a part of the group. So he could, he takes some of that stuff and he brings it to the show. And yeah, it's, it's like, like you said, it's just amazing. Like do it, do it like what you love with like the people you love. I would say that's probably the, probably the best part about that.
01:11:09
Speaker
I want to go with, I usually ask this question too about, you know, influences, basically on both sides. So who influenced you to do what you're doing? And on the other side, do you think
01:11:25
Speaker
you influence other people to do what they do. Because I see a lot on social media, I see a lot of people that are very similar or up and comers that not take anything, but you can tell who they listen to and who they watch and who they follow and stuff like that. So I'll ask this question first. You guys think you influence other shows out there and other people?
01:11:55
Speaker
Um, I mean, do you not think of yourselves like that? Like you're, you know, I don't, I don't know. I mean, I'm still, I still, there's still a imposter syndrome type of thing I have in everything where I think that no one's really paying attention. You know what I mean? Like that. I feel like we're still just kind of doing this for our little circle of people. Um,
01:12:22
Speaker
If I'm honestly shocked when someone's like a stranger that has no connection to anyone in the tavern or the pod foundation says, hey, man, we listen like we get people that will reach out and it I'm shocked by it. So do I think we're inspiring anyone else? I mean, I guess it's possible, but it's hard for me to believe if we are.
01:12:46
Speaker
Yeah. I'm of the exact same belief. You know, it was, it was wild to me. Like I had mentioned that Tom came down in August to visit us. Well, we went to, he came down because we went to a dynamite here in Charleston. Um, so Tom and I are walking to our seats and somebody stops him and says, Hey man, aren't you on the, the, the term of the wrap up show?
01:13:08
Speaker
Wow. And it blew my mind because I was like, oh, that's well, you know, we're in Charleston. I was like, Tom's not from Charleston. Yeah. This is crazy. So yeah. And the guy you ran into at the grocery store. Yeah. He he noticed I was wearing something a W. We sparked a wrestling conversation and I told him, I said, you should check out our podcast. He was like, oh, man, I already listened to that.
01:13:34
Speaker
Yeah, see that's you guys are here and I was like, yeah, just live right down the road. See that that that right there is like.
01:13:42
Speaker
Like you said, obviously, it shocks you. Like, holy crap, there are actually people listening. Yeah. We have the hotline that you can call in, 304-404-2004. Most of the time, it's like friends we know, but we had a buddy of ours, well, now a buddy, but he was a complete stranger when he called Colt and Jesse. He did the debate.
Niche Content and Audience Connection
01:14:08
Speaker
Yeah. He called in and left a message.
01:14:11
Speaker
that, hey, love what you guys are doing and stuff like that. It just blows us away because we're like, fuck, they took the time out. They're actually listening. Like, I still think it's just me and Sneed talking into a mic. Yeah. We need to think too, like, obviously, you know, AEW is big, right? But
01:14:32
Speaker
There's probably not a lot of AEW-centric shows out there. They probably are, but I would probably say there's a handful that people know, if anything. For the most part, a lot of wrestling podcasts are just wrestling podcasts. They cover everything, WWE, Impact, New Japan, whatever. They just run the gamut. There's really not any shows that are specific to
01:14:58
Speaker
a certain, you know, you know, obviously, because, you know, we're all wrestling fans, you know, you know, there's a lot of toxicity, there's a lot of, you know, tribalism and stuff like that. But so like, people are probably scared to do like, you know, an AEW only show or a, like, I only know of one NXT show is like, there's a podcast that's dedicated to NXT.
01:15:20
Speaker
That's one thing that was one thing means need definitely did cuz i didn't want to get into the trying to cover everything cuz there's a lot of shows that. Go into everything yep and and that's cool but i didn't want to just.
01:15:38
Speaker
I like to talk about it. I like to dig deep into shit. I didn't want to just do gloss overs of just weekly news. I wanted to dive in deep with how me and Sneed would talk about an episode of Dynamite. That's why we were like, let's just do Dynamite. Just AEW and go in deep. Every segment, talk about everything.
01:16:03
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. So you got to know, you got to know that like someone's definitely listening because it's like I said, it's an AEW centric show. So I mean, for me anyway, I would I would I would think that, you know, since I don't see many out there that are, you know, dedicated to AEW that, you know, that people would be listening to. But but you guys, I mean, I could be biased because
01:16:28
Speaker
you know, part of a part of all of us, but like, I would think like, I don't see a lot of like, AWS centric shows.
Exploring New Content Directions
01:16:37
Speaker
So I would think that there are going to be like, it wouldn't be a shock to me that someone would walk up to me like, Oh, hey, that was a great show. And who else was deep diving into a W besides, besides you guys, there's tons of shows, deep diving into WWE. I mean, right, of course, because it's like, it's like the, obviously, it's
01:16:54
Speaker
It's bigger. It's been around long and stuff like that. But like, right as far as, you know, a W like even New Japan, like I always wanted to do like a like a like a New Japan podcast because there aren't always Japan podcasts. Yeah, exactly. And that would probably get picked up fast because, you know, not a lot, not a lot of people are talking about it. What's going on with like, you know, impact and I know they're out there, but. It's hard to. Yeah, I'm very far between.
01:17:24
Speaker
But yeah, I just, I just think like, you know, for you guys, I think, I mean, like I said, I'm more in with you guys than anything. So I think, like I said, I'm probably speaking from a biased standpoint, but I think, you know, the amount of content that's put out, uh, from Turbuckle Tavern, you know, that definitely has to be eyes and ears. Yeah. Watching it everywhere. I mean, like, it's like, like we talk about literally every show we have, you know, we have the raw down, you have,
01:17:53
Speaker
flagship show, you have the debate show, you have long balls for this for this NFL season, like, and it's like, you know, pretty much it's covered every broken VCR, like every, pretty much every aspect besides music, which doesn't be my next question. Are you guys, would you think of doing like a music center? I know
01:18:15
Speaker
You said you're more like a bit more of a music buff. Is that something that came across your idea? We have an idea for a segment that who knows what it could turn into with, you know, we, we just need to pitch the idea to, to the person that we want to have involved with it. I don't know any names right now, but, uh, we do have a good idea that I think would be a lot of fun and it's all based around music. Yeah. Big music fan. I mean, we're.
01:18:45
Speaker
We're both huge, big concert goers. I mean, that that's all music is a big passion of mine as well. Yeah. Yeah. Live music. We were heavy metal kids in high school, old school heavy metal, not this five finger death punch shit.
01:19:03
Speaker
But like, you know, old school heavy metal as kids and but I love it all, man, from outlaw country of the 70s with like Waylon Jennings and Willie and to 80s New Wave and 80s pop music and in indie rock of today to Motown music is like 60s, 70s Motown is some of my favorite music.
01:19:31
Speaker
De La Soul, The Grind Date, takes me back to living in New York. I love all music, good music. We say this on The Broken VCR all the time, but it's true for music too. Every genre has a gem. Every type of music, you're going to find at least one album that you're like, I dig on that. I like to be eclectic in film and music and
01:19:59
Speaker
listen to it all. Some of the best days that I had ever working at a job was a job that Chad and I worked at when we lived in New York. Working at Tower Records is a big, shining, bright spot in my life. Huge.
01:20:16
Speaker
Yeah, it's, uh, I, I remember, I mean, all those, you know, all the stores man, Sam Goody, there was, uh, Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We worked at, we worked at Lincoln centers, tower records, West side of New York. Yep. Tower records. Uh, there was an epic crew of people. Such a, I mean, you, you learned a lot working at a place like that. Oh yeah, definitely. I was at a, um, what's it favorite, favorite metal band.
01:20:45
Speaker
Sneed will Sarah Sneed man. I would say Pantera or I'd say Pantera. Chad.
01:21:01
Speaker
Is this our Pantera's up there? Big Motorhead fan, big early Metallica, like. Oh, yeah. I'm a big fan. Yeah. Pantera probably all of Philip H. Anselmo's work. Yeah. From Pantera to down to super joint ritual like to the illegals.
01:21:26
Speaker
Big fan of when you talked about what are your inspirations, who are your inspirations? Philip Anselmo, Quentin Tarantino. People that. Own what they do and put a product out and it's it's kind of their brainchild and their fingerprints are all over it. Writer directors, people that
01:21:54
Speaker
Yep. People that they, they conceive the idea, they execute the idea. And it's really like when you listen to what they, they put out or you watch what they put out, you know, it's theirs. That that's what inspires me is those guys. Yeah. You know, not to be, not to be, do this as a name dropper thing, but Chad and I got to spend a lot of time with fill in some of the singer from pants. We got to spend, we have spent a lot of time with him and getting to, to,
01:22:25
Speaker
sit and and get pick his brain and and and hear him talk about passions and things like that. It's a very big inspiration and motivation. Wow. Oh, yeah. And even even people like, you know. Anderson Silva, George St. Pierre, experts of their craft fighters like people that just they're passionate about what they do and they execute upon it. You know, I just like watching
01:22:56
Speaker
people that are great at what they do be passionate about it and see it through beginning to end. I think it's athletes, artists,
01:23:06
Speaker
anyone that that and even if you're just an old man down the street who builds fucking antique chairs that inspires me because that guy does that he loves that and he it's handmade I get inspired by people that are just passionate about what they like even if it's something that I'm not into it inspires me
01:23:26
Speaker
Yeah, I actually caught some flack on Rawdown
Influences and Inspirations in Music and Film
01:23:32
Speaker
for this. I think we were talking about Logan Paul, and I was talking about obviously how he faced Floyd Mayweather, and I said to use probably the greatest boxer of all time, because he's undefeated, and he's never touched the mat at all. No one's ever knocked him down. A glove never touched the ground. Nothing.
01:23:52
Speaker
And they were just like, oh, yeah. They're like, what? He's like, well, that's greatness. As much shit as he talks and all that stuff, you could just, Muhammad Ali did that way back when. I'm used to that. If you know you have that edge, and you're pretty much living in the matrix, and you know you're living in the matrix, as an athlete, you have the right to say whatever you want, for me anyway. But you actually have to go out and perform it.
01:24:21
Speaker
And that's not just athletes but just anybody like if you know you have that skill set and you know You're really good at it or even great at it and you go out and you perform and you show people Why why deny anybody that that privilege of uh, you know speaking to their craft like that Yeah, like that's insane like to know that somebody's never been knocked down there It's over 50 fights. That's crazy to me like Yeah, yeah, he's perfected it. Yeah, I mean I guess
01:24:52
Speaker
Some could argue other people, but no argument is Mayweather is the greatest defensive fighter ever. Yeah, like I said, to never have your glove even like grays of the canvas is insane to me. That's crazy.
01:25:11
Speaker
and just like double back with the music stuff. So I was introduced, my uncle on my mother's side, he was a huge Ozzy Osbourne fan.
01:25:24
Speaker
Oh, that's awesome. So my first ever, I'll probably say my first ever memory, we'll go with mine is in his room, I used to live in, he used to live with us when I was when I was really little. So in his room, he had a poster of Ozzy, Ozzy Osbourne's Bark at the Moon. Oh, yeah, that cover when he's like, Oh, my God, that poster scared the
01:25:48
Speaker
the shit out of me pretty much as a kid. And I would never go into his room because I had no clue what the hell it was until obviously as I grew and learned who it was. But I grew up loving Ozzy Osbourne and Ozzy because my uncle would play it and stuff like that. And the same thing with
01:26:08
Speaker
my cousin, huge mega death fan. Oh yeah. Like mega death, like every like posters all over the place. I would walk into his room, just blasted. So like I was introduced to mega death and stuff like that. So, but not, not a lot of people know that. So, but like, I love mega death. Love, love Ozzy. I mean, me and Sneed saw black Sabbath on their farewell tour. And we had, what was it Sneed second row? Second row seats, man.
01:26:35
Speaker
It was it was it was a religious experience for me. Yeah. Like Black Sabbath to me is the you know, they're the godfathers of heavy metal. So yeah. See an Aussie. I've seen Aussie multiple times. I've seen Sabbath multiple times, but it was something about second row final tour. You know, this is never going to be played again live. These guys are old. They're really hanging it up. It was special.
01:27:02
Speaker
And if any, he sounds like the other thing too, it's like Ozzy tends to sound amazing still. Even his old age nowadays. He can't, he can't string together a sentence when he's talking, but when he's on stage, it's like something comes over him. It's weird. It's so weird to say.
01:27:22
Speaker
That's really weird that actually he could do that. Like you said, he can't strike a sentence together, but he can actually belt out a tomb. And you understand every single word he's saying, which is...
01:27:35
Speaker
Really crazy One of my all-time favorite albums that kind of got me into him when I was I think 10 years old was it's one of his lesser-known records No more tears. I love that record. That's such a My uncle's favorite. Yeah, it's his favorite song really. Yeah Great album underrated Aussie album So for black Sabbath, I always I have to ask you know Dio
01:28:04
Speaker
Were you a fan of Ronnie James Zio taking over Black Sabbath or? I think it's different. It's different. I don't think those albums were great with Dio. Yeah. I mean, I'm definitely an Aussie man. Those first eight records with Aussie are more my speed. I don't think Dio needed Sabbath. Dio was cool as Dio. Dio.
01:28:30
Speaker
Man, Holy Diver, man. Holy Diver, so many, so many good songs. Dude, so, oh my God, one of my favorite Dio songs, Don't Talk to Strangers. Oh yeah. Such a good song. Rainbow in the Dark. Yep. The Last in Line. I mean, so many good songs from Dio. Gypsy. Love it. Yeah.
01:28:52
Speaker
Yeah, like I said, I could definitely talk about music all day. I think you guys need to create a music podcast and see where that goes. I think a lot of people will definitely be interested. Pretty much everything else is covered as far as sports, wrestling, movies, all that stuff.
01:29:20
Speaker
Yeah, man. Actually, the other thing I want to bring up too is, as a movie person sometimes, I always felt like after... Clint Tarantino, probably my favorite writer-director, he kind of soured me in the sense where I would not watch a movie unless someone wrote it and directed it. It was like, if you're not writing it, I don't want to...
01:29:49
Speaker
Because I think it was a true romance he wrote, but obviously he didn't direct. And I was like, crap. I thought he directed it too. But I was like- It was Tony Scott. Tony Scott's good. Tony, I should have known. It had the dialogue of a Quentin Tarantino movie, but not the cinematography of it.
01:30:12
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I didn't hate that much, but he kind of, like I said, he kind of like ruined me. Like, like, especially with Jackie Brown, when that movie came out, I was like, that was like one of my, that was, that might be my favorite, uh, Quentin Tarantino movie. It's a D it's an underrated one too. I feel like a lot of times people think that's the lesser Tarantino film. Yeah. It's overlooked, man. It's super overlooked and I'm with you. I think,
01:30:39
Speaker
Don't get me wrong, there are some amazing filmmakers who are, quote unquote, guns for hire, who just take a script and direct it. Yeah. A script that someone else wrote. You know, Spielberg does that. Yeah. David Fincher, tons of the best of the best do that. But there's something different about a writer-director, whether it's
01:31:02
Speaker
Tarantino, Paul Thomas Anderson, the Coen brothers. When you've got that voice on the page and they're also lensing it on the camera, I think that's when you get a style. When you see the film, you get a total style to it.
01:31:18
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. Like I said, I'm not like that now. It was more or less when I was getting into his movies and stuff like that. I was like, man, I don't want to watch this movie. They didn't write it or direct it. It was just like I said, just the cinematography, the dialogue.
01:31:42
Speaker
The magic of like, just carrying a scene just with talking. And no, like it just a conversation. Like you can watch a scene with just conversation about not even about the movie, not even the plot of the movie, just talking about random stuff like, uh, on death proof. Um, the second half of it, but it's the, you know, the, the stunt women beat it up and all that stuff for the movie. Like they have like that diner scene that kind of exceed
01:32:09
Speaker
reservoir dog scene with kind of like the circular thing. They have just like a conversation about nothing. It has nothing to do with the movie. And that's entertaining.
01:32:21
Speaker
That's the magic right there. It's like they're just literally talking about just having a conflict. Like you're watching like like a podcast. I listen to a podcast, but it's yeah. And it's all the camera circling the table. It's all in the style that they approach the scene with and you know, great masters. Sometimes it can be as simple as just two people talking and you're engrossed in it, or it could be a scene where there's no talking and you're engrossed
Memorable Wrestling Moments
01:32:44
Speaker
in it. Yeah. You're just watching something happen and no one spoke for
01:32:48
Speaker
You know, 10 minutes and you're like, holy shit, there hasn't even been a line of dialogue yet, and I'm totally locked in. Like, that's that's just a testament to good storytelling. Yeah, definitely.
01:33:02
Speaker
Um, man, this is part of the law. This might be the longest show. I think each week it gets, well, you got two people on here. You got to get our shit. We both had to get our shit. But I, obviously I ended with one more question. So there's going to be, you know, I'm going to ask, uh, both of you to answer this question. Um, so it's wrestling oriented. So you have a, you have somebody that's like, you know,
01:33:29
Speaker
kind of on the fence. They're not really wrestling fans. They're just like, eh, I don't get it. Don't you know it's fake? Those type of people. So you're trying to convince this person to get into wrestling. What's the one match that you show this person that'll completely turn
01:33:49
Speaker
turn their kind of like disdain for wrestling to an absolute love for wrestling. I'll start with Sneed. What match is that? What is your go-to match? Like, hey, I'm gonna show this person this and they're gonna absolutely fall in love with the crazy world of pro wrestling.
01:34:07
Speaker
And there are so many and, and it's, it's tough to pick it on a match, like with, you know, by going match alone with, without all the story buildup to it, even, even with just the match, I would, man, I would probably say Briscoe's FTR one at super cool. Okay.
01:34:28
Speaker
Yeah, that's a match, man. If you don't watch that and don't have a good time, you're dead. Yeah, that was a phenomenal. That's a good pull. See, I don't even think of that. Yeah, that's the edge of your seat action for sure. I mean, if you go back and deep dive into the story before the match, like that's a big part of it. But just on match quality and match alone, if I'm showing somebody, yeah, I think that's the match up. All right. Yeah. Okay.
01:34:55
Speaker
Chad. Good one. I mean, you could there's there's the obvious ones of Taker, HBK, Mania. Yeah. There there's, you know, Bret Hart, Stone Cold, Mania. There's those obviously. But newer. I mean, that FTR Briscoe is a really good one just for like my what really gets me going from an action standpoint. But just for like I'm wanting a complete non fan to kind of like
01:35:25
Speaker
blow their dick in the dirt with pageantry and crazy bots and things like that. I think I'm going to go Lucha Brothers Young Bucks all out cage match. Ooh. Okay. That's a good one. I mean, you've got the spectacle of the cage. The Lucha Brothers had that phenomenal big entrance. You had them winning the titles. You had Pinta finding his daughter in the crowd afterwards hugging her. You had the spot with the thumbtacks on the on the on the sneakers from
01:35:53
Speaker
Matt, Matt Phoenix off the top of the cage off the top of the cage. Just so many like wow spots like holy shit. And it was a little chaotic and it's a classic Bucks Lucha Brothers match. But I think someone who's not so hell bent on that's not how you're supposed to do it in wrestling wouldn't give a shit. They would just want the car crash aspect.
01:36:18
Speaker
Okay. All right. All right. Since you guys pick kind of newer Matt, newer sets of matches, what's an old or yeah. Like an old school match. You would, uh, you would show somebody to get them into wrestling. We'll start with Chad this time. Um, I'm going to go stinger squadron versus the dangerous Alliance war games, 1992 WCW. Wow. Jeez.
01:36:46
Speaker
I mean, you've got Arne Anderson, Stunning Steve, Rick Rude, Bobby Eaton, Larry Zabisco going against Sting, Nikita Koloff, Dustin Rhodes, Ricky Steamboat. You've got, that is like, I know a lot of people shit on early, like 90, 91, 92 WCW, but if you dig in there a little bit, there's a lot of good stuff. Steiner's versus Doom. All the Dangerous Alliance stuff.
01:37:16
Speaker
Flying Brian Pillman. There's so much in that era, but I would go in Dangerous Alliance versus Stinger Squadron. Yeah. War Games. Okay. All right, Sadeed. If I was going to go older match, I would maybe, I'd maybe go warrior savage WrestleMania seven. Okay. The career match and just, you know, the match alone was good, but
01:37:44
Speaker
afterwards with with sherry coming in and uh and attacking and elizabeth in the crowd and and just the emotion that it i still get the tear in my yeah say i like to yeah you know what i like for if it's an old school match i pick i like to have it you know kind of bring you on like a like a roller coaster of emotions not just like a straight up you know wrestling yeah so like you know if you go with uh
01:38:14
Speaker
I mean, you go with the, you go with the, you know, Eddie Guerrero, you know, Ray Mysterio. But I like.
01:38:22
Speaker
I like Bret Hart and Roddy, Roddy, Roddy Piper. Oh, that's a good one. WrestleMania eight. Yep. Cause that went, you know, they went technical, they brawled, they pretty much did everything. So they did, you know, they did the Bret Hart side of technical wrestling. And then they did, you know, the Roddy, Roddy, Roddy Piper side, which is, you know, the unpredictable, unpredictable stuff. So
01:38:44
Speaker
That's a good one. Yeah, I like that one for another deep cut. Another deep cut. Real quick. Sting cactus Jack. Ninety two beach blast. Oh, yeah. Fucking awesome. Very good. I actually recently just watched the cactus Jack and Vader. How we have it to spin the wheel, make the deal. Oh, yeah. I just watched that. Actually, actually a couple of weeks back, I watched that one. But
01:39:11
Speaker
for a newer match just to just for emotion and just to show for me what wrestling is about the passion of wrestling I'm gonna go with I'd go with Cody Rhodes Seth Rollins Hell in a Cell the torn peck match where you know that right there if you're not a wrestling fan even my wife actually my wife is sitting next to me watching it and uh
01:39:39
Speaker
You know, she was just like, what the hell is he doing? I was like, it's, I mean, if you have a passion for. Wrestling or a passion for whatever you're going to do, whatever it takes to, you know, put on a performance, even if it kills you, even if it like, you know, hurts you the next day. And that's what he did. I mean, I think it's the, it's the wrestling equivalent of Michael Jordan's flu game.
01:40:04
Speaker
And I would argue it's more impressive than the flu game. Yeah, but the collective gasp of the, like if you watch that again, when he takes his jacket off and you hear the collective gasp of the crowd, the sight of that, of his arm and peck, it was pretty insane. And then obviously the adulation he got after from everybody, like literally everyone in the wrestling world.
01:40:29
Speaker
Yeah, it's moments like that that live forever. You talk about the Michael Jordan flu game. I remember Brett Favre playing on Monday night football one time when his dad died. Yeah, that's right. Was it the same day? Same day he just found out and he threw like five or six touchdown passes, had a monster game.
01:40:52
Speaker
and Cody did the same thing, not with loss, but having a fucking torn peck dude, that is something that makes you instant, your legend grows in a match like that. Yeah, there's no way you could boo the dude after that. He literally put on a show for you. He didn't have to.
01:41:10
Speaker
he'd have to walk out there and have a full match. No, exactly. He had an out. He had like a 20 minute match too. It wasn't like a 10, 15 minute match. They went a little bit over 20 minutes with the torn pack and he let Seth stab him in the pack with the, what do you call it?
01:41:31
Speaker
I will set a sword. What do you call it? Why my kendo stick? He had the kendo stick and he was kind of like stabbed in the back and stuff like that. Yeah, it was pretty amazing. Plus he was wearing the dusty gear.
01:41:48
Speaker
Yeah. The polka dots of like, that was, that just, that was the cake right there. And obviously if you were to show someone that wasn't interested, you have to explain to them, you know, his father wore, they made his father wear that when he entered the WWE way back in the day to kind of, you know, kind of rip him a little bit, but be the guy that he is, put it over and it was pretty insane. But, um, yeah, this was, this was awesome. Yeah. This is definitely the, uh, this is definitely the longest running.
01:42:18
Speaker
show, but I think it was entertaining enough where people are going to listen through. I think you guys are pretty, I mean, you're in. I mean, you dropped the bombshell on me about you guys being related. I had no clue that that happened. So that was almost like a twist towards the end of the movie. I was like, wait, what? What?
01:42:39
Speaker
You know, people know that that's that stories out there now. Yeah. Oh, man. See, so my, my legend is coming true. I actually got a message from Matt from the, uh, for the extra cooler show. And he, uh, you know, he messaged me probably, he said, Hey man, great show with Nick. He's like, you got a lot out of him. I'm like,
01:43:00
Speaker
What does that mean? Does he not talk to you? Does he not say thanks to you? But he did. He spoke a lot. He spoke about him pretty much creating the act of cooler drink. Yeah, it was a great episode. Yeah, I did not know that. I think he kind of mentioned it in his earlier Instagram posts.
01:43:21
Speaker
But yeah, he I did. I had no clue and that was pretty that was pretty amazing in itself. But yeah, I mean, like I said, you guys are great. I mean, I definitely want to have you on again, because I think we just I want to have you want to talk about like more movies, more music. Oh, yeah, man. Absolutely, man. It was a blast. Yeah, this was fun. Yeah, man. You guys, like I said, you guys are you guys are a true inspiration for me. I would say I'm not going to speak for everyone else. But as far as, you know,
01:43:50
Speaker
what you do week in and week out and you know Seth says it, Sita says he has the true workhorses of the Pod Foundation. It's almost like the Turbocca Tavern is synonymous with the Pod Foundation because you guys are the ones putting out pretty much all the content and we're kind of like following up
01:44:11
Speaker
you know you know take it take it a little bit of the reins not all of them I try to catch up to you guys but up like I said you guys definitely yeah you got you guys definitely carry the torch as far as a as far as a pod foundation goes and I think I could speak for you know
01:44:28
Speaker
the rest of us and
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01:44:29
Speaker
say that. I appreciate that, but we're just one of the four cogs in the wheel, man. That's the beauty of the Pod Foundation is everybody bringing their own flavor to it. It wouldn't be the same without anyone. Yeah. For me, I think you guys elevate everyone else to do better, just the amount of content
01:44:52
Speaker
you guys push out, you know, every week. So I mean, like I said, just me being a part of it, and me being inside it, you know, knowing how everything works, and how, you know, how things are moving, it's definitely, you know, you definitely have my, definitely have my respect in all aspects of, in all aspects of what you do. And
01:45:12
Speaker
Thanks for you guys being on the show, man. Yes. Thanks for that, man. You'll hear me say it every week on the flagship show, but you're not going to find a better group of podcasts under one umbrella than you'll find under the Pod Foundation. Yeah, definitely. I don't like to ... I'm a very humble person. I don't like to brag about stuff, and I don't think I've
01:45:35
Speaker
anything special, but yeah, you'd be hard pressed to find a group of podcasts or a group of shows that are all entertaining.
01:45:46
Speaker
in their own aspect. They're all different. No one's copying each other. Everyone has their own flavor. You're not going to listen to you guys and then listen to us and be like, oh, it's the same exact show. It's going to be a completely different vibe. The only difference is we don't have Hawk on our show. And the best part is everybody's cool.
01:46:13
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With a big group of people like this, there would be clashing, but for the most part, everyone's like, we get along. Families fight here and there, but for the most part, everybody's cool. Hey, it happens.
01:46:29
Speaker
You guys said it earlier, the show, you kind of gang up on people. That's how guys are. We all pick up on each other. That's how we show our affection. It's not, we hate your guts, because if we don't say anything to you, that's when you know we don't like you. If we're not answering you or we're not giving shit back to you, then you pretty much have a problem.
01:46:52
Speaker
But like I said, yeah, there's definitely the camaraderie there with everybody. There's no hotheads. No one's left the group yet, our pod foundation group. No one's exited out yet. So that's always a good sign. Yeah, man. We've actually added people. Yeah.
01:47:13
Speaker
So what's, I mean, it's just growing. And just hopefully we can all, we'll definitely all grow together and, you know, hopefully make something out of this thing. But again, thank you guys for being on the show.
01:47:27
Speaker
We'll end it there, I think. Thank you for having us. Appreciate it. Yeah. Thanks for having us, man. Thank you again. And, uh, everyone, uh, I hope you listened. This is, like I said, this is a, uh, this is a long one, but very entertaining. Uh, it was a great conversation with these guys. Uh, hopefully, hopefully you have them on again and, um, we'll, uh, we'll talk to you soon. Later.