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Luc & Shanti - Vin Lifers!
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Join Alasdair as he talks to Luc and Shanti, van lifers who are travelling around Europe living out of their Mercedes! Make sure to follow @pebblesontheroad on Instagram and YouTube to see their journey!
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Introduction to the Outdoorsy Educator Podcast
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Hello and welcome to the Outdoorsy Educator podcast, where learning gets a breath of fresh air. I'm your host Alistair, and each week I talk with people from all walks of life to explore how education, the outdoors, and real-world experiences shape who we are.
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From classrooms to campfires, trails to town halls, we dig into the lessons that move us, challenge us, stick with us, and can make the world a better place.
Meet Luke and Shanti: Van Life Adventurers
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And on this week's episode of The Outdoorsy Educator, I'm very, very thankful to welcome Luke and Shanti. Luke, Shanti, how are you today? We're good. yeah Thank you. are you?
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oh Doing very well. I've been looking forward to this conversation. It's actually the first podcast I've done interviewing two people at the same time. Obviously, your husband and wife sharing an adventure, so it seems very appropriate. Why don't you tell our listeners a little bit about who you are?
The Van Named Pebbles and Their Travel Plans
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Well, yeah, of course, we are, um yeah, we are Luke and Shanti and we have a van and she's called Pebbles. ah It's ah an Innova road trip model Mercedes Sprinter. um And yes, she's specked out with a lot of off-road, off-roading specs with a good battery, great, great vehicle specs. Yeah, like off-road and off-grid. So yeah more or less a self-sustaining van. Yeah, so we can be out into nature ah for basically as long as we like. And for now, we decided to go on a sabbatical for a year, travel through the nature national parks of Europe.
Fond Memories of Amsterdam and Utrecht
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and then then decide whether we want to live full-time in van life as digital nomads or go back to where we came from which is the big city in amsterdam yeah and pebbles is not really um yeah uh waiting for that uh moment to be in the city she's like a a little green tank as in uh yeah she's she's uh Yeah, green, moss green. um And that's that's ah that's a nice color, but maybe for the city, not really ah suitable. But for nature, she's perfect. yeah
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That's wonderful. Well, must tell you, i've yeah I've traveled around Europe quite a bit. And Amsterdam is second my second favorite city in Europe a after Utrecht, right beside it. I love Utrecht with a passion. It just...
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I just adore it. and We were there two years ago. Yes, we all always everybody who is going to the Netherlands, we always say, go go to Utrecht. That's gets the the for us the better one. But yeah. I'll forget the name, but my wife and I, we rented an Airbnb that was on the canal. It was in an old sort of storage shed. Wow.
Why Pebbles? The Story Behind the Name
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oh yeah um nice and we just we just felt at home we just loved it um so utrecht is is top of the list of places to go back to for us oh very nice yeah now our listeners the most important question i think we will get is why pebbles where did the name pebbles come from
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Oh, that's a good question. We kind of made a long list, like like we were having a baby. yeah Right. Yeah.
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And then thinking about the character, because we wanted something that sounds cute, but also sturdy and strong. and because Because we picture our fan really like a character. And um yeah, Pebbles, you had an association a little bit with the Flintstones. Yes. Yeah. There's there's one character also named Pebbles. But... ah Yeah, was there were we were thinking about something that's also on the road, having a sort of adventure. We are we are in an adventure ourselves in this sabbatical, looking for ways to, yeah, to uh see how we go for the next chapter in life what's what's that what's that next chapter after this sabbatical after this fan life uh because we are not planning at the moment not planning to do this uh for for the rest for for our lives but for for now um it gives us the freedom uh in combination with the digital nomading to try it out and so pebbles on the road was just uh something yeah you came you you come across a lot of
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um obstacles, questions, hurdles, especially my lovely wife as a philosopher. a lot of pebbles on are ah on her road, on her mind. Yeah, there's just a lot of time to reflect when on sabbatical and while traveling and being out into nature. And I think that's good for a human once in a while to just take a step back and look at the bigger picture. And pebbles on the road is also a bit like a metaphor for, that's you know,
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This is what I was thinking. Life, your journey. I've also studied some philosophy and i just picture life as a pebble going down the road. Yes, exactly. Yes, yes. yes Yeah. and ah And pebbles are not completely round. So it's it's just it's it's their and shaped through life. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. so they boti yet yeah and You've talked about that you're on a sabbatical. What was life like before this for you, before you decided and what made you decide this is something we want to do?
Embracing Van Life: Freedom from the 9-to-5
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Before the sabbatical, I think we were both in nine to five and it it was fine. i mean, yeah, we both liked our jobs, but it was pretty intense because it was also during COVID. um Yeah. do so life became really small and this this sabbatical idea came, i think after I finished my studies and four years ago. Yeah. So I thought, um, ah why not take a big breath of freedom before we end up completely in the weeds of a career and and don't have the yeah flexibility anymore to go because you know, it never,
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the There's never a convenient moment to go on a sabbatical or even the moment that we wanted to leave. or there were There were personal problems that we had to resolve in our family. So it was just a lot of, there's always reasons to not do this idea, but was the first thing that you said after your studies. I want to, she called me up when I was camping with with ah with with a dear friend and he she she called me up and and said she said, ah look, I know what I want to do.
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I'm looking at Instagram at the moment and I want to do sabbatical in the van. And I was on this camping ground and I was looking around me and I saw all those, you know, those typical white alcove campers.
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ah And I was looking around and was thinking, really? did you You want you want a year in in in so an ugly van with the rest of ah of the elderly people? Because, yeah, that that's that's sort of the stereotypical thing that I have in mind of a camper life, just retiring and and and, yeah. But no, no, no did the event life community yeah in those three years where it was really something that I grew into. And it was something that I aspire to as well to to see how we could, yeah, maybe yeah make it our own, make this our own idea. Yeah.
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I love it. And did you have any fears? was there anything that really scared you about taking this leap? Good question. Yeah. Cool. Quite a lot. so yeah Maybe like, yeah, what if it doesn't work out What if it costs us a lot of time and money to prepare all of this and then, uh,
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Yeah, we we don't end up liking it or maybe the space is too small to live all year. yeah with the two of us in, what is it, six square meters. Yeah. Right. yeah Yeah. Yeah, it's ah it's a small space. And I was going to ask you later, but i think I'll ask you now.
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How does living in such a small space change your relationship between two people? Because I imagine there's good and then there's challenges. Yeah. Yeah. yeah Yeah, of of course, certainly the the most obvious things are are just true. and you have ah You have to really balance out your communication with when you are ah in the same van, in the same area, in the same space. This van is amazing. yeah I have a desk here in the front, as you can see on the camera. And Shanti, you can also sit in the sort of the delivering room. That's that's also our are bad, you can convert that part. So you can really have those two separate spaces. and You're not completely always in the same area if you want to. I can have a totally ah ah focused job working day on this part of the house. and she on her part but um i think the most difficult part is not just living inside part because that's that's that's that's happening quite uh easily but more the going when are we going outside when are we going to write the uh with right with pebbles and and and set up ah set up everything so that we can leave. All those communication things and expectations, that those are the things that I think are the most challenging, especially for us, because we have to sometimes
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the different ah different things that we want to achieve on a day. I want to work sometimes Shanti wants to do a hike. and He wants to enjoy the full sabbatical. I have I've also do I'm also testing out this whole ah digital
Living Small: Communication and Liberation
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nomading thing. So yeah, that's that's, I think, the most difficult part of of this of of really and figuring out together how you could how you can do this, this whole van life experience together.
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yeah So there's actually no space to to work around each other. So everything needs to be communicated or in balance. And that actually works. I think it works quite well in yeah inside the van when we're parked up in a nice place. But once we run out of resources, yes Yes, that's all the reason. Water supply, power supply, food, um you know, we're off the grid. So in principle, everything needs to be monitored. um If you can stay off the grid or whether you you need some facilities or yeah And if you.
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ah break up camp and go to another spot then a lot of decisions need to be made like where do we go where do we sleep is it is it legal there a lot of research from where can we go and where are the good facilities and resources do you have a meeting planned so everything is more intertwined than in a regular house but the size of the house for us hasn't been the problem at all that's that's amazing yeah yeah yeah that's wonderful it actually felt Yeah.
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It even helps, I think, to downsize to what matters most in life. Because i i even now I have too many clothes with me. i wear half of what I have with me and what I have with me maybe 10% of what I used to have. Right. So actually you don't need that much in life. That's really... a Liberating, yeah. Yeah. Liberating realization. Yeah, that's what we found um just in our our home here. We head ah we used to have a bigger home, and now I'm in my 40s, and I've got one eye on what's the next step. And everything is, with the less stuff, the less space, we the less stress comes with it. yes it is It's a really nice feeling to only have, I don't know, 10 shirts to choose from instead of 20. It frees up your mind, I find. It really does. It really does. It's something that I can recommend, especially to hoarders like me that collect a lot of stuff and things from from the past that I really can't let go quite easily. it's It's amazing to feel the weight of your shoulders that you don't need all those things directly I have my technical stuff that I have just in one box and that's everything that I need and and it's it's more than enough.
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Yes, that's something I struggle with too. I like to hold on to things and but then they stay in a box for five years. i think This is ridiculous but it's so hard to throw it away.
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yeah Yeah. For me, it worked to ah make a lot of pictures and I can i can live with a full cloud digitally. Shanti is zero tolerance for that, but I can live with that. So no, that's um yeah it's something that I can really recommend.
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I love it. Now, I was thinking about that leap, that transition to van life. How did your friends and your family react? Did they think you were crazy or did they think this was a wonderful idea or some of both? Hmm.
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but Some of both. yeah I think a lot of a lot of friends and ah especially also ah yeah friends and family, day they they really are, um and they they can look at you and they can and not ah very kindly and very politely, especially Dutch people that they can they can think a lot without saying a lot. ah But you can see that they yeah that they have their questions and some summer someday ah they ask the direct questions. How are you going to do that? And how are you going to do? is Is this the best idea? And is the year not too long? and and But for the most part, they there were really and encouraging to just try it out, just see
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Yeah, I think part of them was excited for the journey ah as we were. And also because they knew it was going to be like a tryout only for a year.
00:14:57
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And I think silently everyone expected that after that year, we would just go back to our regular lifestyle, which we actually already decided we are not going to. Right. That's exciting.
00:15:13
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Yeah, that's exciting. That's news. Yeah. yeah yeah So the real shock still needs to really land. Yeah. yeah is but Yeah.
00:15:23
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yeah I was thinking about when I think about van life or any big change, you've got to factor in money. You know, that's obviously a factor for anybody. As I was thinking, i I'm not sure how to ask this, but i how how do you view money or how does your relationship, do you think, has it changed? Do you think do you think there's something you may have learned that you will carry on into the future? Hmm.
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It may tie into like the clothes. yeah I don't know. It has a sort of relationship we need with the with the clothes. yeah yeah You don't need this lifestyle. yeah The investment for this this vehicle is like a house. So you have to view it like that. um but ah um That in itself was already a change in view because we thought...
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in the beginning we thought we will
Financial Freedom vs. Traditional Homeownership
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never spend like 10 000 euros on a vehicle i mean yeah yes who does yeah yeah right we were we were used to the second hand or third hand or 15 vehicles oh yes mine 20 years old understand yeah yeah yeah
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yeah When you start seeing it like an investment in a house or, you know, a home, at least, it's the place where we live, then it becomes more logical to spend more on it. yeah um and yeah Yeah, also about ah housing in the Netherlands, at least it's super normal to have a mortgage like half a million is on now the average price, average price for a house in the Netherlands, ah half a million euros. And they have a 30 year mortgage. That means you you put your life in a certain box for 30 years, that everything has to stay that way. You have to keep working the job, keep making the hours, ah because, you yeah, your, how do you say, fixed costs yeah yes per month, those are...
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Those are high. And I think for van life, it gives a lot of freedom that um the fixed costs are pretty low. I mean, there's a one-time investment in the van. Yeah, that's high. For that, you need to save up or take a loan. But once you paid off the van or once you ah had enough savings to to just buy it, then the fixed costs are super low.
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yeah it can be super low you you can also do the retirement plan of of of going to every camping uh that's that costs uh 50 30 to 50. if you go to campsite yes then then it's expensive but if you go into nature yeah and you have uh you can just um be there off grid then it's amazing yeah and then the money is not real the the most thing and the the biggest thing that you have to worry about especially if you're also digital nomading like i'm doing now yeah so if you like downsize your life it also downsize your final financial pressure or yeah yes and i think what what i'm really hearing is yes there's the the cost of the van and i i get that but almost everything else is a choice you could choose to go to the campsite or choose to be out in nature yes yes and so the power stays with you and not with a bank yes
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which sounds very freeing. like i i love the the thought of that, being able to make in those decisions. Yeah, it's it's something that you really have to switch also in your mind because it's not normal. as in the the right no no mean that Not a lot of people are doing this. you You have to really find out and look online for other examples that people are doing this. yeah Absolutely. In your time on the road, has there been one time in particular where you thought, we're going to quit, we're done?
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Or has there not been? Good question, also. Good question. Very good question. I think... um not particularly no but there were just moments that uh we uh we were thinking uh there we need some more space or more so more routine to uh to to get this working uh for for us both uh but yeah with with with a lot of um good communication and that's that's something that we really Yeah, we're just talking through of how how we are going to approach this those hurdles, those pebbles on the road. But no, not not a real moment for, okay, now it's done. We are going to... No, we did have one occasion that the weather was... super bad for weeks in a row yeah we were in Albania and there were thunderstorms and local floodings and it was so extreme not like what we were used to in the Netherlands and apparently in the southern Europe this winter has been the the wettest and the stormiest yeah in about 15 years yeah that was good
00:20:37
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but that that stream is is going much lower, not not England and the Netherlands are getting the usual, bad weather, but now Spain and Greece and Italy and those, that yeah, Morocco also, yeah, those all all the van lifers have this problem of this, that that this was not the year of the sun. Right. Yeah, yeah.
Challenges of Van Life: Weathering Storms in Albania
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But yeah, also just, I couldn't sleep because the whole van was like shaking in the wind and all these harsh sounds and, for yeah. And also, yeah, some van lifers say, oh, just use earplugs and try to ignore it. But also because you're in an environment that you don't know, i felt like I don't want to shut like everything out, everything all the noises. I want to hear if there's someone sneaking around my van. Yes. Yeah. So that was kind of uncomfortable those weeks. We're very sleep deprived. Right.
00:21:37
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So then you think, oh, oh yeah, this this is not ah the dreamy van life now of Instagram that's thats that that you think of when you're doing this for full time. yeah Yes, the reality hits The reality, yeah. Yes, almost blows you over. Yes. yeah yeah yes So I do quite a lot of car camping. I've built out the back of my, um like ah an SUV.
00:22:04
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And I was thinking about what supplies you must need, you know, being on the road full time. What's other than the obvious, you know, batteries and food and water, what's the one item that you cannot live without that maybe surprised you that you use it a lot more than you thought?
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Oh, good question. Yeah, and there may not be an answer. Is there is this ah for you solo camping or is this with someone? Oh, i would for you two. If you two are in your van just now, is there something you bought and you're like, I use this every day. i didn't think I would use this every day, but I do.
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Yeah, those those those um and objects, those those um items, that they really do exist. um For example, for us, it's it's really cool to see that we are using our walkie talkies a lot. Oh, ah right.
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Yeah, just old school walkie talkies just like for from my childhood. They still work. But it's um it's amazing to just do a hike or do some parking when it's full and then you have to, one is going outside and then ah the other one is going to keep in contact when when there is a free spot and then you can. Parking spaces in Europe are way tinier than in the US. Yes. In Texas, that's not an issue. No no problem. yeah let's get Let's go to Texas. yeah that true For us, and and that that's an item that we really use. Or when we drive with other van lifers in a row, then it's nice that you can keep in touch easily with walkie-talkies. Yeah. Yeah. So that's that's an item.
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ah Other items. um Yeah. The shovel maybe. The shovel used for everything that's that's needed outside. ah Yeah. Well, you don't want to do it inside. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, that's understood. Yes, a good shovel. Yes, good shovel. We have this um ah oh mosquito, electrical,
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tennis racket. What do we call this in English? Mosquito. i i have one and I don't know what it's called. i know what you mean. We have one in our house. We can kill a lot of mosquitoes with this tennis racket.
00:24:23
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um And yeah, and that's that's that's a lot that's that's also needed, especially when the when those insects are and getting back from their winter sleep.
00:24:34
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Yes, yes, keep them out the van. Those little things, yes, they can really make or break um a day of not chi chasing. ah or Yeah, fan life, oh yeah, that's that's this is a good one. Fan life, and every day,
00:24:53
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In an instant. The day is over. As in you fta yeah have to fill up your water, fill up your tank, fill up your ah battery with electricity and and all those chores. um ah they They take much more time than um in a house because you yeah you don't need to think about your toilet because it's just something that's that's you flush it god and it's done. And the pumps of the government, day they do the rest. And here you have to think about all those things yourself. you know No washing machine, as in there there are van lifers that have a a dishwasher and a washing machine inside their van. That's not Pebbles. Right. but
00:25:38
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those Those little convenience that you have at at a normal home that those take a lot more time here finding a toilet outside. So everything that can ah speed up the process like a normal house that those are the things that you had that you enjoy daily. yeah yeah that's so interesting yeah i think that you kind of re-appreciate now yes when you have a shower yes yeah yeah yeah a gas station showers at gas stations they are underrated they feel yeah but the best showers i've ever had is after four or five days of hiking
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yeah And then you get, there's nothing like it. Nothing like it. Yeah. So everything that ah that that can ah speed up the process, items that can speed up the process of a Vendee that's easily filled with driving or with other stuff, that's that's ah that those are the things that I read really recommend of what want to speed up in your daily process. Yeah. daily But actually I don't really have an example one item that i use much more than I expected. Yeah. We thought about it quite heavily before we left. So yeah. Yeah, we we I think we even took too many items with us that we thought we would use, but we don't. yeah
00:27:02
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Still. Yeah. still Right. It's very interesting how our perspective changes. Yes. but Most van lifers, they always dream about the next build, as in if they build their own van, they always dream of the next van build that they're going to... improve those things that they learned on the road. And we as well, we don't we know now that we don't need all the stuff that we took with us. The things you thought. and stuff That's so interesting. Well, as we we come to the end of this, I have three final questions for you and one or both of you can answer.
00:27:37
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But um something I like to always ask my guests is how has your definition of success changed in this experience? You know the old Luke and Shanti to the Luke and Shanti now, how do you look at the word success? is it still this Does it same still have the same meaning for you
00:28:00
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Good question. Because I think you you talked about Shanti a little bit at the beginning of the the the line of education and job and then house and 30 years.
00:28:12
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And there's nothing wrong with that. I don't ever want to you know put that down. But that's some people's vision of success. I suspect yours might now look a little different.
00:28:24
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yeah but i have to be honest i'm not sure yet for personally where it will in what direction it will go but i think um success for me is um knowing that you can be happy or content and thankful in whatever the circumstances are and that you actually have a lot more um power than you might think to shape those circumstances.
00:29:01
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i think that's beautifully said. I think that's very important. I love that. Yeah. Nothing to add. No, how can you follow that? Great. Give the philosopher three so three seconds and she comes up with with something better than I could end up wait in a year. yeah In a year. I love it. um Do either of you have a book that has been impactful on your life?
00:29:28
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No. Yeah, for sure. The elimination of Herbie, as in... The Ruthless elimination of Herbie, I mean, yeah. Yeah, that's one that I frequently grab my notes back. Read them through again because it's such an interesting perspective and book about making free time your week, in your daily routine week to also appreciate slowing down on the right moments because life can be...
Slow Living and Presence: Influences and Inspirations
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and so quick even in ah in a van. I can work as much as I want here as that I did at home. ah So you have to really watch out to get to be mindful about your time and about your also digital presence because we now are sort of more online than we were used to especially shanti she she didn't even have an instagram account and now she's uh also commenting on people and we are uploading stuff and really sure make make sure that we are um that we do those uh digital tasks for for for a channel like ah and that we have like ours so yeah you have to be mindful about did the the times in between when you want to
00:30:54
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a also focus on the moment on this present and you are in nature you so turn off every turn off stuff and do a hike instead of uh being on the on the computer all day yeah I think. yeah Beautiful. And I think The Ruthless Elimination of Hurry, the book, yeah from ah it's from John Mark Comer, a pastor from America, I'm not sure where. But um ah it's it's not only about hurry in the sense that, you know, hurry in the... commute in the morning when rushing to work, but it's also about presence and where are you, ah what earns your attention, you know? so um when for instance, when you're in the supermarket and ah you you go stand in the line yeah or you can go to the self scan nowadays, but let's say you go stand in a queue, um you you're usually choose the shortest queue because
00:31:56
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You're always short on time or you're always in some sort of hurry, going to the next thing in your schedule. And when you're in the queue, you don't want to waste your time. So you go on your phone. And so actually this, the book says, why don't you just grant yourself some time to do nothing, to just stand in the line and look around you or sit with your thoughts and reflect a little bit. be present in the here and uh become less addicted to the dopamine short section yeah yeah i think that book has been super impactful because he says the writer the author says that um anything that grabs your attention is um
00:32:46
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a potential enemy of living a rich spiritual life. And you have to be very intentional about what you want to give your attention ah instead of having it grabbed away from you. And now, yeah.
00:33:02
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I think that's super inspiring. yeah that's yeah It's a coincidence. I made a post just yesterday on Instagram about the fact that I, ah like everybody else, like you just said, if I have five minutes standing in a queue or waiting, yeah I'll just scroll on my phone for five minutes. yeah And I struggle to read. I've got a pile of books I want to read. But I always struggle to carve out an hour to read or half an hour because there's always things to do. So I posted about the fact I'm now carrying the book I'm reading everywhere I go so I can read just in those five minutes rather than and having to try and think, you know, lock it off in my calendar. Yeah.
00:33:45
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yeah yeah and do something productive and healthy in those five minutes instead of you know swiping through things. my Mindless, yeah. Yeah, exactly. right yeah yeah so very Very interesting. You brought up something so similar.
00:33:59
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Yeah, it's something that really react that that it it takes a lot of time, as in being mindful about our time is something that we think about a lot during during this year, but we're also contributing with with our own content, so we're really thinking about it.
00:34:13
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how can we make content that's that's also ah and encouraging people encouraging people to be mindful and make those choices. Yes, I struggle with that balance sometimes, but yeah i think I think we're getting there, just being mindful, like you said.
00:34:29
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yeah um I have my final question for the two of you. And I was trying to think how to phrase this in a way that it works with van life. um If I would like to know who the two of you would like to go van life in with for one week. Now, imagine the van is bigger, so they have space. this so It could be somebody who is dead or alive, somebody famous, somebody from your own life, anyone, but they're going to be in the van with you and you can just talk to them. You can pick their brain. You could learn from them. Who would you like to join you going vanlifing or camping for a week?
00:35:08
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Oh, wow. Wow. Such an interesting question. Yeah. And I love that you with philosophy, you might go an interesting direction. Who knows? Yeah. Yeah.
00:35:20
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Well, the third first thing that came to my mind was i would like to go vanliving for a week with Jesus because he, to me, is ah such an inspiring person and not only person, but to me, he's also God. And i think there's so much ah wisdom in him and i think i want to learn much much much more about him than i can in this lifetime but when within a week of camping with him uh yeah that would be great getting to know it's a great answer yes yeah
00:36:01
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wow the the The talks and the debates and the the philosophy talks that you would have. yeah yeah yeah Or the jokes maybe. maybe yes jokes i get That's right. Yes.
00:36:15
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It's a tough question. I get it.
00:36:22
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i i'm i'm really a bit blanking so you can you can ok Yeah. no problem it's a tough question it's a tough question it's yeah yeah Well, ah where would can people find you if they would like to follow your adventures, follow you
Connecting Online: Pebbles on the Road YouTube and Instagram
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online? What's the best place to get hold of you?
00:36:40
Speaker
ah Well, there is a a new a new video that's coming up on YouTube. youtube So I would sort of suggest everyone to watch that to ah to to see our latest views on Vanlife and Reflections. It's ah our account is called Pebbles on the Road, yep both on YouTube and on Instagram. And our link to your website is also pebblesontheroad.com. Yeah. Right.
00:37:06
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yeah That's where to find you. Well, and I said this at the beginning, ah maybe we weren't on air yet, but if anybody out there is like me and I don't watch a lot of YouTube, I just just don't, your videos are beautifully produced and they look like movies. And I would highly, highly encourage anyone out there to go look up, you know, Pebbles on the Road on on YouTube as well as Instagram.
00:37:31
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um Thank you. Thank you. Perfect. Well, thank you both. Luke, Shanti, this has been a pleasure. Thank you so much for spending this time with me today. You're welcome. I liked it. yes Thank you. Have a great day. Thank you so much.
00:37:48
Speaker
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