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Our Anime Experience! || Chatsu-Nani?!
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In this episode, Satsunami and his weeb in arms Greenshield95 discuss their experiences with anime. From Shonen to slice of life, the duo take a journey down memory lane to find out what anime truly means to them.
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Transcript
Introduction and Episode Overview
00:00:05
Speaker
Welcome to Chatsunami.
00:00:17
Speaker
Hello everybody and welcome to another special episode of Chatsunami. I'm Satsunami and joining me today is the man, the myth, the chibi indeed, Green Shield. Green Shield, welcome. Nani? Hey, how's it going everyone? How you doing? I'm good, it's been a little while since I've been on so it's nice to be back in the Chatsu studio, i.e. my room. Yeah, it's like whenever we have something anime related we just like let you come on and then
00:00:47
Speaker
It's like that Simpsons episode where it's like, can I come too? And I just roll up the windows like, no. Yeah, the anime beacon was lit. And so I came to answer the call. In the spirit of the, oh, what is it they say in film metallochemists, the laws of equivalent exchange. So basically I had to clap my hands, you know, and go down in the ground, draw the circle. And yeah, long story short, that's why Adam isn't on tonight.
00:01:16
Speaker
I'm sure we'll get him back. We'll get him back for the next episodes, but... Yeah, we've scared him away from anime. They think that he's out, but we'll just pull him back in. He'll just be floating in a void just now, like, who the hell am I? We sent him to the Shadow Realm. This isn't one of my romance animes. What's going on
Early Anime Experiences
00:01:33
Speaker
here?
00:01:33
Speaker
As you can tell by the title today, we're going to be taking things a lot more casual. We're going to be just having a real general chit chat about our anime experience and basically talking about our journey towards that. Basically like shounen protagonists. Yeah I am really excited for this one. How do you feel about it?
00:01:52
Speaker
Yeah, I'm very excited about this one. It's going to be really interesting. I've not had any of these kind of general chitchat kind of episodes. Mine are always very kind of focused, so I'm quite excited to just relax the belt a little bit and just not like throw the notes away. No notes needed and just kind of have a general chitchat. Did you apologize to your sensei before you came on this? I'd say you have to go all out, just this one. My ninja headband was revoked for this episode. I was never a ninja to begin with, so thankfully.
00:02:23
Speaker
Although we will get into that. So to kind of begin with, we might as well talk about our journey into the world of anime because
00:02:31
Speaker
kind of flashing back. Like for me personally, anime wasn't really as popular until, I don't know, the 90s were kind of, in Scotland at least, where anime started to kind of take off in popularity with shows like Pokémon, Digimon, Dragon Ball Z, Sailor Moon. But of course, was it the same for you, Green Shield?
00:02:56
Speaker
Well, I've talked about this in, I think, the first ever Chatsunani that we did about my kind of history of anime. But yeah, essentially I grew up for a part of my life in Singapore, in Southeast Asia. And so a lot of the time there was quite a large amount of anime on TV, and I did not know the difference at the time between that and other cartoons. So I'd be watching Ranma ½ and The Prince of Tennis and One Piece and all this kind of stuff. And I didn't see any difference between that and
00:03:26
Speaker
Samurai Jack or Teen Titans or the Justice League cartoon or anything like that like it all it all just kind of seemed the same to me. My understanding of like what anime was was wasn't until much later I did not just didn't know what constitutes anime till I was in my teens probably because it just wasn't it was never discussed as being different.
Childhood Influences of Pokémon and Dragon Ball
00:03:45
Speaker
When I came back to the UK I would mention these shows as being like like oh everyone else watched this show and they were like
00:03:51
Speaker
the hell are you talking about and so it was it was a kind of a big like it was a wake-up call for me i was like whoa well what is this like what are these cartoons that i was watching that no one else did and like what differentiate that from all these other ones that they did watch and i sort of found out that these were japanese cartoons and that people didn't watch those that there was some
00:04:07
Speaker
like Pokemon, like Digimon, like Dragon Ball, that did make its way over, but others like, as I said before, Prince of Tennis, Ranma ½, those weren't distributed as well. I watched them dubbed in Singapore, so they would have had some English language releases somewhere, so maybe American, Canadian, or other English language speaking countries did also get those when they were younger.
00:04:30
Speaker
But I know that my friends in the UK did not. So yeah, I watched a fair amount of anime growing up. I watched a lot of One Piece and Pokemon and Digimon and those kinds of shows. And my brother was a big Dragon Ball fan. So I grew up watching a lot of Dragon Ball as well.
00:04:46
Speaker
Because, I mean, the landscape here was quite similar in a way. Well, not similar, but in terms of certain shows, I totally see what you mean just picking on that point when you said about not being able to differentiate between what was an anime and what was a cartoon, because I was rolling the same boat. Like, when I was younger, I just thought, oh, it's a cartoon. Yay. Let's watch the two muscle men fight each other. Or thinking back on it, it was a weird show to watch as a young child.
00:05:15
Speaker
It's like, oh boy, I can't wait to see this man, this muscle man, you know, fight an alien that blows up planets. Well, I mean, that's been the case for the longest time. You think of like He-Man and those kinds of shows, like back in the 80s, like it was all the rage. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, you would have shows like that were a bit more kid-friendly, like Pokémon. I would say Digimon was more the kind of
00:05:40
Speaker
I would still say it's kid-friendly over something. Did you want an edge to it? It had a bigger edge, absolutely, than something like Pokémon where it was like, oh no, Pikachu's gone. Oh no, we got Pikachu back. Like, see, watching Pokémon as an adult, it does not hit the same as like watching it as a child, because you know that way when it's like, and especially for you and I, like going back to old enemies to watch. Like, for example, when we did the Chatsunani on Beyblade and you watch that and you're like,
00:06:07
Speaker
This is awful. What did we watch as when we were younger? But obviously when we watched it as children, it was like, oh, this is the coolest thing ever. They've got spinning tops and there's our dragon. Whoo! But you're watching it now, like, this is garbage.
00:06:21
Speaker
Yeah, there's, I mean, there was something else going for Digimon as well is that it was much more serialized. I felt the Pokemon, the Pokemon was like Pokemon, like he was on a journey and he, there was an end goal per se, but at times, but, um, each episode was kind of independent from, from the other that you didn't really need to have watched the previous episode to understand what was going on. Like you might be like, Oh, where'd he get that Pokemon from? But ultimately it didn't really matter.
00:06:48
Speaker
And I say it like, I mean, there's some great episodes in that, like real classic ones, but that's also with the huge nostalgia glasses on the ice. I see it that way. Like the episode where he got Charmander, the episode where evolved into Charizard, the, um, the SS and episode, these are like iconic ones, but like going back, they are, they don't quite work in the same, in the same way that they did when you, when you were younger.
00:07:11
Speaker
I have watched a few episodes back that I watched when I was younger. And I've also, it's been years now, but I did watch some of the more recent seasons, which, and again, I'm an adult, I'm an adult now, so this might just be why, but it's, it's unwatchable. Like I, for the more, for the recent seasons, I just found that very irritating. So I was like, okay, I cannot watch this. This is very annoying.
Nostalgia in Revisiting Childhood Anime
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But the whole idea of him not aging and, and it's sort of just restarting every time. So even when he's met a Pokemon before,
00:07:36
Speaker
if he sees it in this season for the first time, he's like, whoa, what's that? And check it on the Pokedex and the Pokedex sells you because theoretically, this could be some kids first time watching it. So they have to act like everyone in the audience is an idiot. And like, I understand that it's in the entire show is marketing for the games. And so they kind of have to play up on that. But it is it just doesn't quite work as a show for you when you're older. It's it's very much geared towards that younger demographic like we were when when we were that age. So
00:08:02
Speaker
Yeah, some shows still work and some don't. Like, you can rewatch Dragon Ball, but you can't really rewatch Pokémon anymore. I mean, some will, and some will still enjoy it, but I personally do not. Because I think it was Craig from the Bear and Shell Podcast that was talking to a dude a couple of months ago, and him and his wife, they, like, did a thing where they would go back and watch Saturday morning cartoons that used to watch growing up. And one of them was Pokémon, because I think that's on, it was for the UK, it's on UK Netflix.
00:08:32
Speaker
and for once we've got something the same as Canada. Yes! But yeah, he watched it with his wife and they said they only got a couple episodes in and he was like, I cannot watch this. It is basically un-watchable and it's like, it is true. Like as a kid, obviously, you know, you kind of think less about certain plot holes and things, you know, you're like, oh yay, what are we gonna do in the next episode? And obviously in a show like Pokémon, they always have to reset the status quo.
00:09:00
Speaker
you know they have to always be like okay Ash gets his Pikachu back, we're gonna get the badges and everything and because it was kind of noon fresh at the time he kind of thought oh yay what's gonna happen next but if you kind of watch back the seasons it kind of seems the same and I have to admit it wasn't till university and just to jump forward a little briefly that you and I met somebody who we used to go to university with who absolutely loved the show when it came out and was still watching it and you were like
00:09:30
Speaker
you
00:09:31
Speaker
I don't know, I was quite surprised they had all their fan theories and things like that. It's not like something like Full Metal Alchemist or Attack on Titan where it's like you don't know where the story's gonna go. It's like obviously they have to follow the games and things, but yeah, it's still surprising how popular these shows can be even years later to older fans. To that note, I think for a lot of people who enjoy shows like Pokémon as adults, it's usually a discomfort show. It's easy to watch. Oh, absolutely.
00:10:00
Speaker
There's very little conflict and whatever conflict there is gets easily resolved. It's colorful. It's, it's, it's pleasant to watch. Like I, I remember this was a couple of years ago now, but my partner and I started watching from the beginning, the older, the first season of Pokemon. And it was, it was enjoyable just as a turn your brain off, easy to watch kind of thing.
00:10:17
Speaker
As a actual show to like continue with and keep watching, it doesn't work. It's like, I couldn't continue watching like the later seasons. I couldn't consistently watch Pokemon, but this has an occasional like turn your brain off kind of thing. It's fun. It's cute. There's cute monsters. Ashes are moron. That's kind of funny.
00:10:33
Speaker
Otherwise, I mean, this is quickly going to turn into a, uh, just talking about Pokemon episode, but like, um, yeah, there's nothing wrong with Pokemon and these other more childlike shows. Even, even like we've did a whole episode on, on Beyblade for first and last, it's stupid, but I could see that being someone's comfort show. Likewise with Digimon, these kinds of shows are easy to watch and they're fun. And for many people that's Dragon Ball as well. Like Dragon Ball is pretty, pretty easy to watch show. I mean, there's, there's certainly, there's like fighting, but there's a little bit more edge to it, but at the end of the day, it's still a
00:11:02
Speaker
simple show to watch and so that's why people like it and that's why people like a lot of anime.
Mature Storytelling in Anime
00:11:06
Speaker
And I just want to point out just in that though in case anybody's listening and they might hear the favourite anime in here, we are just saying their own kind of opinions and experiences. If this is your favourite show, don't let our opinions take away your enjoyment of it. Just because we're right doesn't mean you have to be offended. You know, this is the reason why you haven't been on for so long. You're fueling the fire. I'm trying to censor me, get in the comments.
00:11:32
Speaker
But kind of going back to not so much Pokémon but I was just thinking when you were like oh Pokémon's like the colorful show and all that and I was like yeah so was Digimon and I'm like wait a minute no it wasn't because you and I going back to like you know watching anime what about kids anime when we're older like you and I watched was it like season three of Digimon? Digimon Tamers?
00:11:56
Speaker
Yeah, which is personally my favourite. I don't remember much of the other seasons, but I remember that one so well. Yeah, and it's so really well done, because I know after that, I think, I'm not a Digimon aficionado or anything, but for more I read up
00:12:13
Speaker
they kind of went a lot more kid friendly. They had Digimon Frontiers, which was like kids turning into Digimon, and then they had ones where it was all colorful and, don't get me wrong, you know, I'm not saying everything has to be dark and gritty, like me saying, I like my coffee black in the morning, just like my soul. It doesn't have to be all gritty and void of joy.
00:12:37
Speaker
I think you're right. And I just just know, I do think that particularly that third season of Digimon, I think it was a lot darker in tone. I think it was a lot more mature with the storyline and that it was still fundamentally a children's show and it wasn't, it's not like an inappropriate for children kind of show. It was very much for children.
00:12:58
Speaker
So what happened was as a, in my late teens, I kind of scroll through the channels and I went through, through the kids ones and I saw a Digimon was on, Digimon Tamers. And I was like, Oh, I haven't seen this in like a decade. I'll have a, have a watch of it. And I put it on and a rabbit suddenly digivolved and had Gatling gun arms.
00:13:17
Speaker
And I was like, well, this is awesome because of the way it was syndicated on like, cause this, this was, this was like a retro syndication or pretty much it was an episode from a decade ago, pretty much that was being syndicated for some reason onto Disney XD or something like that.
00:13:34
Speaker
And so there was, there was, they weren't playing them in order. There wasn't really any consistency to it, but I was like, I want to watch this again. So I sought the show online to watch again. And that was almost like my getting back into anime experience where I was like, I found, I found a website where I could watch it and I watched all of the rest of Digimon on there. And I was like, well, I should, I should watch more anime on, on here. So I watched things like Death Note. I got back into watching all of Dragon Ball.
00:14:02
Speaker
So I watched all of the original series of Dragon Ball and then all of Dragon Ball Z. And I set myself a task in the summer prior to going to university that I would finish Dragon Ball Z before I got to university. And so I watched all of it and it was it was it was good fun. I really, really enjoyed that. And so that's what kind of kick started me getting back into anime again.
00:14:20
Speaker
I don't know if you had a similar kind of experience, at what point you kind of got back into anime after all those years. I had a weird experience, I have to say, because, as was established, I grew up watching Dragon Ball, Pokémon, Beyblade as well, to kind of contextualise it in the UK at least, and I'm pretty sure everywhere else
00:14:42
Speaker
there was like this huge influx of like trains and things so you know everyone would be buying pokemon stuff they would be buying digimon stuff you know things like that so you would always see in the playground like what the latest thing was whether it's beyblade or dragonball and things having like play fights pretended to be the characters and
00:15:01
Speaker
for a while after that, like after primary school. Not that I distanced myself, but especially in terms of gaming, I wanted to kind of explore more mature kind of games and things because I was like growing up into my teens and the kind of awkward teens phase. And
00:15:18
Speaker
It was the same with anime, I was kind of distancing myself from anime and then I remember watching bits and pieces and I feel as if like later on and we will touch on it but as shows like Yu-Gi-Oh! Abridged, Dragon Ball Abridged, those kind of shows started to kind of get me interested in the shows again in a way that you know I'd never really approached them. I feel as if the turning point for me and this will sound like really really
00:15:44
Speaker
maybe pretentious I don't know but it was on BBC four of all things so I was flicking through the channels just randomly and on BBC four they were doing like a I don't know if it was like a Japanese like cultural series at the time and
00:15:59
Speaker
for some reason like during that they were also showing you a lot of Studio Ghibli films and one of them was Spirited Away and I didn't catch the beginning but I kind of caught in the middle and then you're at the end and I absolutely fell in love with it because watching things like Dragon Ball and Pokémon and you know all of these kind of shows I mean the animation looks okay but you know it was nothing compared to what Studio Ghibli was producing and I thought this looks
00:16:27
Speaker
amazing, you know, from the scenery, the vibrant colours, the vibrant setting and everything, how creative it was. Just all of a sudden I was like, oh my god, is this what anime can be kind of thing? And I decided to like jump back into it. I know the irony of me jumping back into it and I was watching things like Death Note.
00:16:46
Speaker
but you know I watched Death Note and I thought wow for the time because if you want to check out like more of her opinions in Death Note then we've got an episode on it for Chatsunani but yeah like at the time I really enjoyed it and I thought wow this is so cool and it kind of opened that door into thinking of anime as just you know another cartoon into something a lot more mature if that makes sense because it's like you saw a lot of things that you wouldn't
00:17:12
Speaker
normally see in standard Western cartoons. Obviously it started to balance out a bit, but at the same time it was like all of these different stories and things that they could follow and it was just amazing. And that kind of got me into trying a bit more anime, kind of experimenting and seeing what shows were popular at the time. And that really kind of leads us quite nicely onto, well, you and I meeting at university of course, because I was
00:17:42
Speaker
This is me flashing back, so just imagine your own flashback music here.
Bonding Over Anime at University
00:17:47
Speaker
But I remember being in third year of university, and you were in your first year, that's right, isn't it? And of course, just by chance, Green Shield and I met, and yeah, we've never gotten rid of each other since. Well, online that is.
00:18:03
Speaker
physically we're a bit more further apart. We distance ourselves by a few thousand kilometres in that regard. So you can get away from my recommendations to an extent. Yes, just turn off the PC. But yeah, credentialed and I met, you know, had an absolute blast throughout university. One day we will
00:18:23
Speaker
get into an episode probably where we recall our Dominoes escapades. And by Dominoes I mean the pizza place, I don't mean like the game. We were really into the game. That time I became a Dominoes champion. I would watch that anime but I digress. So
00:18:38
Speaker
really we watched a lot of things together, you know, we watched loads of films, the Shawshank Redemption. That too, just to explain for anyone who doesn't know, I'm terrible at watching certain films and when I told Green Shield that I hadn't watched the Shawshank Redemption, he actually got it from a birthday and
00:18:56
Speaker
the same night you're like yes we're watching this let's watch it and we watched a great film but anyway I digress. So during that time because I'm quite a shy person in real life and I know that I really considering that I'm doing a podcast here but it was kind of hard for me to open up about things I liked whether it was gaming whether it was anime whether it was films you know that kind of thing and I felt like in the third year I started to open up a lot more but you Green Shield you came in all guns blazing with your recommendations.
00:19:26
Speaker
I was like, oh, I don't know, should I say? And you're like, hey, check out this anime. I'm very interested in people experiencing the same things I experienced. My love language is certainly giving. Yeah, I would get like a knock in the door and then I would open it up and it would be like your DVDs of like...
00:19:45
Speaker
whatever you were watching, and I was like, huh, you know, whether it was Game of Thrones, Avatar, that kind of thing. But yeah, one of the things we actually bonded over as well was anime, really. Oh my god, that was, that was an experience because we watched a lot in our 13th and 4th year. Actually, my 13th and 4th year and Green Shield's first and second year, we watched a shit ton of anime. It was an absolute way, honestly, it's one of my favourite memories of university.
00:20:15
Speaker
When people ask, what was your favourite memory? Was it meeting new people? Was it getting your degree for the first time? It's like, nah. It was walking for an hour with one of my best friends to a small town nearby, picking up a crate of Coca-Cola and some snacks, and then walking back just to watch the latest episode of Hunter x Hunter. It was like an anime in its own right, wasn't it?
00:20:38
Speaker
We had our own journey of exploration, our own shounen journey just to go get Coke and popcorn. I was going to say, it's like, you know that episode of Dragon Ball, or Dragon Ball Z, where it's Krillin and Goku training by Kari and the big crates? It's always us with the big...
00:20:54
Speaker
as us with the big coke and crates, like yeah we're gonna be the best. But we really watched a lot because you and I were trying to figure out what anime was the first one we ever watched together. I honestly can't remember because it might have been when we were discussing it, it might be Sword Art Online, it might be Attack on Titan. I don't think it was Full Metal Alchemist. I think I can relate to it. No, Full Metal Alchemist and Gurren Lagann were both in my second year, which was your fourth year,
00:21:20
Speaker
You were talking about your third year where I came in. I presume first and second year for you were just completely blank. Those didn't exist before I was introduced because that's the only logical explanation. Yeah, they were retconned. It was when Sasanami spent his time in the shadow realm at that time.
00:21:36
Speaker
Yeah, so I think it was Attack on Titan. I don't think that we watched Sword Art Online until my second year. From my memory, I could be wrong, but from my memory, I'm pretty sure it was my second year that we started watching Sword Art Online. But yeah, Attack on Titan was definitely my first year. So I think that is probably what kicked off our watching together. But you introduced me to abridging, really. I'd only ever seen one other abridged series, and it was for Avatar the Last Airbender, and it was not very good.
00:22:06
Speaker
And we're talking probably about 15 years ago, maybe, maybe less, maybe about just over 10 years ago. That's kind of my experience of a bridge series. And then you introduced me to Dragon Ball Z abridged. I just thought it was just the funniest thing. And I couldn't, by that time, there was must be about like 30 to 40 episodes, if not more, of Dragon Ball Z abridged. And so I was like, spent the entire like evening this powering through watching all these episodes to like catch up. And I definitely had an essay due at the time. So I was just procrastinating that by watching all these episodes.
00:22:33
Speaker
Well, I'll tell you how bad it was, OK? I had made some bad life choices, OK? I was doing an essay the night before. Green Shield had gone out, you know, just the party and everything. By the time Green Shield had come back from his night out, my door was like off the latch, so I came in to say, hey, how you doing? And then two seconds later, you were watching the
00:22:55
Speaker
Yu-Gi-Oh! abridged for them, which is absolutely fantastic. It's like an hour long. Oh, it's so good though. And you were just howling in the background as I was writing this essay. It's like, oh, it's so good, but I have to finish this. Oh yeah, the abridged series I have to admit are probably what kept me coming back to anime because
00:23:16
Speaker
my god, the way that Team Four Star—I see exactly what you mean. Going back to what you said about the Avatar series, I haven't seen that one personally, but a lot of abridged series are a definite hit or miss, and I hate to say that, but Little Caribou and Team Four Star, even though they're
00:23:37
Speaker
earlier episodes were a lot more kind of mini and very crude. I really didn't like that. But to be fair, they have acknowledged that as well to be like, yeah, we could have done this better. But it was like, I use this kind of ironically to be like, it was a different time. It really was like internet humor is not what it is nowadays. We're gonna say the exact same thing in five, 10 years. Pretty much. Back in my day.
00:24:05
Speaker
But it's true though, it was a lot more memes and references and then of course you don't have to listen to me tell you the Team Four star and the production value went through the roof. They just absolutely killed it in terms of storytelling, character development. Same with Yu-Gi-Oh as well, maybe not to the same extent because he took a bit of a hiatus but
00:24:29
Speaker
Yu-Gi-Oh did wonders and you know it's like you were watching that back and they were pointing out all the flaws and things
Impact of Abridged Series on Original Shows
00:24:36
Speaker
in a kind of light-hearted manner and you thought you know what I'm gonna go back and rewatch these and I think that was definitely what kind of hooked me back in. Because they're you're right they're they're making light of these shows which for the most part you you love but it often will create a greater love for that property for example Dragon Ball like I had not watched
00:24:55
Speaker
Dragon Ball since I did the whole big rewatch, but it made me want to rewatch Dragon Ball and get back into the world of Dragon Ball again because of the bridge series. And I ended up watching other bridge series after that. There was ones for Attack on Titan, which I think were also the one we watched was also done by team four star. And they only ever did one episode, I think, which is very funny. We used to rewatch that like almost daily. And there was several for Hunter X Hunter or Hunter Hunter, depending on your preference.
00:25:23
Speaker
Yeah, that one, that was great. And the, do you remember the attack on Titan? One where it's like, pull up a tractor out your pee hole and turn. You and I would quote that all the time, but, and that was, that was definitely first year. I remember that was definitely first year. We, we would do that.
00:25:39
Speaker
the best one and you still scold me to this date. You still scold me for reference in this but it was A Hunt A Hunter. I can't remember who it was but it was A Hunt A Hunter, a British parody where one of the characters was called Leorio.
00:25:56
Speaker
but the people who created the show called him the Oreo. And I don't know why I find it so funny. I think it was the voice maybe because he was always like, I'm the Oreo. And people are like, okay. And it's such a stupid, simple joke, but it just hit in the perfect spot. It was just like, this is hilarious. I'm going to recommend it to everyone. Yeah, I remember. See when Attack on Titan came out,
00:26:21
Speaker
Oh my god, that took over our campus. The only reason I say that is because there was actually a student who walked around campus wearing the Survey Corps cape. Do you remember that person? I do. I do remember that. And that was something we'll get into with regards to our time at university in anime. But there was a club. It wasn't specifically for anime. I think there might have actually been an anime club. I'm not sure. But there was one that was like a nerd club.
00:26:49
Speaker
that often there was a lot of crossover with the anime fans in this club. We both had a pretty unique experience of the few times we didn't go often. Emphasis on we didn't go. Yeah, we didn't feel like we felt we fit into it very well. Because they had some similar interests as us, we thought like, we'll give this a shot. We had some friends who did partake in this club and did enjoy the club and had other friends in there. So we're like, OK, well, we'll give this a shot. And so we went and we did not gel
00:27:18
Speaker
with the rest of them. They were very intense, weren't they? Yeah, and this wasn't just an anime club, this was everything, but it wasn't for us. But I did get some recommendations for stuff from there, so it served a purpose in some ways. There were some new shows that I checked out because of the anime club, because I'm always looking for recommendations and whatnot. You're a fan of Roman history, aren't you? I do dibble-dabble. Is that what we call a pedic victory?
00:27:47
Speaker
It's like, I've got these recommendations, but at what cost? Yeah, I crossed the Rubicon into the world of anime in that club, and unfortunately the die had been cast. Was that the same club that you and I saw a growing 20-something year old run across university desks? Because the power rangers. That was an experience, I have to say, witnessing that firsthand of
00:28:11
Speaker
a grown man, Naruto running over university lecture desks just to put on the power ring just to be like...
00:28:19
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this is, it's like I've had enough of this club, you always seem nice but I've had enough, I'm okay. Yeah I actually remember I nearly, I was so close, you can't see it but I'm pushing my fingers together, I was that close to actually joining the anime club and I always wondered what would happen if you know it was a bit more confident inside to them or when they join your club because I remember like I was kind of tuned and thrown trying to think of a club to join, I was like shit I'd
00:28:46
Speaker
join this club, should I join that club? I nearly joined the anime club. And then some random guy decided to put on bunny ears. And I don't know why, but that put me off, I'm going to say. In fact, I think it was, you're the same bunny ears from, I actually can not remember what game, that's terrible, but you know in Smash Bros. It's from Majora's Mask. Yeah, is it Majora's Mask? I think it was from Zelda, but I couldn't remember if it was like,
00:29:08
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you know ocarina or but yeah no thank you this is why i have you on for all the zelda references but yeah so my exposure to anime in university was pretty much through you and it was you and i that were looking for new enemies and as i said attack on titan absolutely like was ripping through the campus because we actually tried showing one of our flatmates he did not like it at all he just kept saying this creepy as he took another drink and it was like yeah i don't think that's helping
00:29:37
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like I feel as if like drinking and watching like these massive horrific titan faces I was like yeah this is this is just a recipe for nightmares but I was terrifying at the time now you can just shrug it off and go okay it's a titan but yeah
00:29:54
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It was certainly a lot different kind of anime than I had seen.
Dark Themes in Attack on Titan and Others
00:29:58
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And that's why Attack on Titan was such a shock for me. Attack on Titan did seem to have that wow factor. It had that shock factor. It was very interesting. It had a very striking animation style and the aspect of like, you don't know who's going to die and anyone could die.
00:30:16
Speaker
was so interesting and they die, they often die in very gruesome ways, which was so shocking because I, I was not like, I was, I'd seen anime that had the gory kind of like arms cut off and blood and that kind of stuff, but I hadn't really seen some be eaten before and really in anything like maybe like jaws sharks. I'm fine.
00:30:40
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Yeah, so it was so, and the fact they were so human but not human, you were seeing them eat people, it was very, very alarming, very unsettling. That firmly held the place as one of my favourite animes, like, whilst in university for a long time. I don't know that it still holds the place as one of my favourite animes. I'm continuing to watch the most recent seasons, but I wouldn't say necessarily that it's still one of my favourite animes. I think that first season could go down as one of my favourite seasons of anime for sure, but I don't know if the entirety of the show would fall into that category for me.
00:31:09
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And from what I understand, we're not alone in our enjoyment of Attack on Titan at the time. And it was a starter anime for a lot of people that the fact that they had that, whoa, this is happening. And this is, this is a cartoon. What's going on here? Like maybe I should check out these other Japanese cartoons. And that kind of sparked a real kind of interest in, in anime. And it was around that time, a lot of these enemies came out, you had
00:31:33
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Attack on Titan and you also had something we'll get into but sort out online. These are really strong starter animes for a new generation of anime fans that really kind of sparked interest in the medium. And even for those who watch the likes of Dragon Ball or
00:31:50
Speaker
Pokemon or these kinds of shows when they were younger but hadn't watched anime in a while were shown Attack on Titan or Sword Art Online and started going, hey, I could start watching anime again. This is pretty cool. I'm like, I like what they're doing. This is this isn't like what I was seeing when I was younger, but I like it.
00:32:06
Speaker
I have to admit, I felt that way about going back to one of the ones you mentioned earlier, Hunter x Hunter. Growing up, and technically I still have a soft spot for Dragon Ball Z, but growing up, you know, Dragon Ball Z was very formulaic. It'd be like, big bad guy, good guys have to train, you know, good guys have a power-up that defeats bad guy, and that was it. You knew that the good guys were always gonna win, even if one person died, you know, they were always gonna be brought back with the Dragon Balls,
00:32:35
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It would always be a different excuse, and you thought, okay, same thing, you know. So you really didn't set your expectations high, but with a show like Hunter x Hunter, which is the same genre, it's a shown in one, and remember when we watched the very first episode, and you had like a kind of smirk on, I remember, when we were watching it, because I was like, oh great, it's gonna be another, I'm gonna be king of the pirates kind of deal here, you know, it's gone, who's gonna go and be a hunter and everything. It was not what I expected!
00:33:04
Speaker
It got dark fast because I was like, oh great, who's this clown guy? And I was like, you know, a couple of episodes later, I'm like, you know what? I don't even know if I want to know who Hisoka is. I don't think I want to watch it. Wow, this clown is one of the best anime antagonists I've ever seen. It was until, yeah, until a certain point and then you went, okay, I feel uncomfortable. But you know, like, that was, you know, a very similar anime where both protagonists were kind of trying to better themselves and get stronger. But
00:33:33
Speaker
was that idea of consequences that they threw in. And you know me, I love my consequences. And she goes, like, Film Et al. Comus Brotherhood. See, to begin with, I'm going to be honest here, I love Film Et al. Comus Brotherhood. I think it's one of the best animes I've ever watched in my life. But it is very, very difficult to get into at the beginning. It is, like, the first couple of episodes. I don't know why. I feel as if this is a universal experience, because the first couple episodes I was like,
00:33:59
Speaker
I really don't enjoy this. And I thought, did I want to continue? And thank God I did. And usually I wouldn't recommend people do that for shows because, you know, life's too short if you don't enjoy something just like that. Not interested, but genuinely, after the first couple episodes, it gets so good. Although, am I right in saying you skipped a particular heart-wrenching episode?
00:34:21
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I'm going to call you. Yeah. You are calling me out here. So I, my experience of watching Full Malcolm's Brotherhood around the same time as you, I think, I think we started watching it together after, at a point, but I, uh, I'd started watching it initially first and I'd started watching it and I put it on and I fell asleep and I woke up and I was like, Oh, what episodes did I miss? I was like, Oh, I think I start, I think I, um, I fell asleep around this point.
00:34:47
Speaker
And so I started on the episode after the very iconic one with the biological alchemist. I don't want to spoil anything for those who haven't watched it, but the episode with the biological alchemist and his daughter. And yeah, so like, yeah, that episode was really messed up, wasn't it? And I'm like, sure. I don't know what you're talking about. You're talking about this guy with the top hat that spins very fast. And you're like, no, no, no, this episode here. And I was like, I don't think I've seen that one. So I had to go back and watch. And I was like, oh my God.
00:35:15
Speaker
I was like gut punched because, you know, I was watching it thinking again, oh, it's going to be a whodunit. Oh, no feels here. There is many like tear-worthy moments in this. I still cannot. Again, no spoilers, but there's certain scenes.
Emotional Impact in Anime
00:35:30
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where I cannot get through them even today with a dry eye. Like I watch them and they'll be like, you know that meme where it's like the guy's storming in really angrily and he's like, okay, today I'm gonna get through this without crying. And then, you know, it's a terrible day for rain pops up. That episode you mentioned brings up the revenge blots and things. Michael, I just sobbing uncontrollably. I'm just like, oh, it's so sad. And it, oh, it's just, it's,
00:35:56
Speaker
You've been knocking my door, like saying, Satsu, what's wrong? And I'm like, I think I'm open. Let's go away. Full of Melodica's Brotherhood is definitely one of my favorite anime. I think it's one of the best starter animes for new anime watchers, but I will agree it is a slow start. It's very difficult to get into. My partner, she watched that first episode about three times before she finally got onto episode two, because she just could not pay attention, couldn't get into it, didn't get it. And I kept like saying like, you know, you have to get into this. You will absolutely love this.
00:36:26
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And then once we got started getting into it properly, she was hooked. She absolutely loved it. Back in 2019, we went to a anime con in Toronto called Anime North, and it was the first convention that iTherest had been to, and the first time that iTherest had ever cosplayed before. We obviously dressed up.
00:36:43
Speaker
for Halloween but never like a probably like nerdy dress up so this was our first attempt cosplaying and I went as Edward Elric and she went as Winry and so that's like shows like how like key it was to us that our first ever cosplaying was Full Malcomist characters we we absolutely love this show I think I think it's outstanding what's so great for those who haven't seen Full Malcomist I can't recommend enough
00:37:07
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the one of the big issues in anime that I've expressed this in the past and this is it's a known thing and a lot of people like to defend it from this but that there's a lot of eye roll kind of moments where like usually towards a female character there'll be some level of harassment of a sexual nature towards her that is kind of played for laughs
00:37:29
Speaker
And it's a big issue with lots of anime, I feel. And there's lots of other similar issues within anime towards women, which does not exist, for the most part, in Full Malcomist Brotherhood. And funnily enough, it's because the mangaka who wrote Full Malcomist initially
00:37:46
Speaker
is a woman. So it's funny enough, the female writer is not writing her female characters to be abused by the male characters. It's funny how it works that way. But yeah, it's refreshing. It seems like a story you can say to your friends, you should watch this and they will watch it and they won't go, yikes, is this what this guy's into? Yeah.
00:38:10
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Because you almost have to with a lot of anime recommendations, you have to preface it with I know that there's a scene where our main character grabs her boobs and it's played for laughs, but you're gonna have to just get past that. It's not fun doing that. It's not fun trying to recommend something where you have to preface that there's some really bad shit in it that like you have to ignore. And it's a huge issue within the medium. And when there isn't that you feel like you've hit
00:38:34
Speaker
like, gold finally found, like, something really worth recommending. And that's why I cannot recommend Fullmark and his Brotherhood enough. Whereas another show I have mentioned before, Sword Art Online, which is another great starter anime in many ways, and not on others, is guilty of that.
Critique of Sword Art Online
00:38:53
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There are sexual scenes that are played for laughs that are not okay. None of these scenes ever are going to be okay, but particularly it's just not fun to watch. It's not okay. And it's one of those shows where you do have to preface. And I know there's a very strong fan community that defends the show against any kind of criticism, but that's certainly one major criticism I have for the show, which I ultimately enjoy, but have, I feel genuine critiques of. I don't know how you feel to that regard.
00:39:22
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angers me ever so. Purely for the fact, and again, before I go on, because I know there might be the old Sword Art Online fan here that's listening, see if you enjoy this show, perfectly fine, you do you, different strokes and all that. But for me, Sword Art Online being, you know, a video gamer myself, Sword Art Online is one of these like really
00:39:41
Speaker
cool like ideas where it's like you know the stereotypical if you're dying the game you die in real life but in this you know it's like oh my god it's just like virtual world and they're trapped how they gonna get out of it i'm gonna brief spoiler here 12 episodes later they get out and you're like oh
00:39:58
Speaker
Well, what are we going to do for the rest of the season because there's about 20 plus episodes of this? Well, they go back and turn on the VR world because see in all honesty, the first and when I say three episodes of this do fantastically. If I'm remembering my episodes correctly where Kirito meets the guild and things go wrong without spoiling things,
00:40:18
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you know, like those episodes where we talk about, you know, basically a teenager who is trapped in this world is trying to save his friends, just gets absolutely, he gets put through this traumatic experience so much so that, you know, he shuts himself off from the rest of the world and then it takes like a certain kind of person to, you know, like coax him back into this new virtual society.
00:40:42
Speaker
Now that would be good if that's the way they followed with the rest of the series, but the rest of it's basically just a harem anime. You might as well be watching that Ehos club in Manure minus the violence and that, but you know what I mean. He just builds up a harem of these clearly wifuised
00:41:00
Speaker
teenagers, and the reason I'm being so critical is I know what happens in the light novel, okay? If you want to look that up and see the controversy about how creepy and horrible the light novel is, where he describes in very lovely detail, and I'm using that as sarcastically as possible, detail about how they consummate their marriage, teenagers? And I'm like,
00:41:23
Speaker
I don't care if this is anime or if this is supposed to be the funniest thing ever, that's just flat out creepy. And it just gets pushed, you know, you get it for some reason. And like season two, you've got scientists who are slug monsters with tentacles and they capture the main female protagonist in this. In case anybody's wondering, you know, oh but Satsu, you've only watched what
00:41:45
Speaker
handful of episodes. Oh no, I've watched the full thing. I've even watched the Alice, or Alice-ization. I can... I have. I've watched it. The War of the Underworld is horrible. There's literally a scene where one of the characters is tied up by tentacles and tortured. There are so many instances like that, you know, where it's like, oh look, boobs, hahaha, it's so funny.
00:42:09
Speaker
I know that's a trope in anime and it's one I really don't like, but it just seems excessive. And we watched the whole of Ezio the first season and we thought, okay, maybe things will get better. And then we watched Gun Gale Online together.
00:42:25
Speaker
I mean, I will say the, I can't remember what it's called, but the Yuki arc, did you ever watch that? No, there was a big jump that I sort of skipped over for a while. I came back into it for Alicization, but after Gun Gale, I stopped watching. There was a spin-off series that was set in the world of Gun Gale and mine, I think.
00:42:44
Speaker
That was okay. I did watch that. I quite liked with this small girl that ran really fast. She had a little pink minigun. That was pretty fun. I quite enjoyed that. And I've watched one of the movies as well, which was quite good. There are so many good moments in the show. It's pretty cookie cutter, the show.
00:43:02
Speaker
It's not breaking the mold in too many regards, but it doesn't need to. It's still fun, but it has legitimate issues with it, with its use of- rather, it just has scenes that you just think this didn't need to be included. What did this add to the series?
00:43:17
Speaker
I will say that the first season of Sword Art Online, it had its moments where I was like, oh no, Jesus, I wish I hadn't done that. But for the most part, I think it was pretty spot on. And I will agree that it wraps up too quickly in the initial arc, the Aincrad arc. And I know for life, I can't remember the name, but there was a, I don't know if it was made into a show or just manga series, but there was a manga series created that kind of filled in the gaps for those big like time jumps that were happening in the first arc.
00:43:47
Speaker
that kind of fleshed out like what happened between because they jump up to like floor like 79 over the course of as you say like 12 episodes because they're trying to progress up through to the hundredth floor and if they beat the hundredth floor then everyone gets to go free and they would sort of jump they're like oh we're now on floor 12 oh we're now on floor 40 yeah oh wow it wasn't 100 but i know what you mean
00:44:09
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Yeah, and apparently this manga fleshes out what was going on between those. But a big criticism of Kirito is that this person who we never see doing really any grinding is like for some reason the most OP character. But you find out in this that he is doing lots of grinding between those times, which allows his level to be so high, essentially.
00:44:31
Speaker
So they've done some work to correct that. In some ways it's almost like, it's a bit like JK Rowling after the fact saying like, Oh, actually this character was gay. Oh, actually this character could have been black. And it's like, well, it's kind of silly for you to now after the fact being like, Oh, actually it's this adding in, I'm actually a lot more liberal than you think I am because I am retroactively saying that this character is this. No.
00:44:55
Speaker
If you were, then you would have done it initially and faced any kind of backlash, like instead of hiding that a character could have been black or could have been gay, you could have said at the time this character is black or this character is gay. Or Keira too could have been male written, but there you go. Yeah. I'm diverging into a SEO rant. SEO slash Harry Potter rant.
00:45:15
Speaker
Yeah, it's silly to retroactively correct things in that manner. If you felt like you were in some sort of crunch and you only now can fit that in, that's understandable to flesh out your content. But if you see like, oh, there was an issue with my story, I'm going to now add in something to make it better.
00:45:33
Speaker
For some people, and I do agree, it sort of helps, but at the same time you think, does this really increase the value of it or are you retroactively adding things in that you didn't think of at the time? I don't know what your feelings are on that. To be honest, it's a whole shoulda, coulda, woulda thing.
00:45:49
Speaker
It's like if you're gonna commit to a certain theme, go for it. Otherwise, why bother? Probably you could fix it retroactively, but by that time everyone's watched it. So the only people who are coming back for it are the kind of diehard fans. And although we've kind of listed a lot of really good animes that we watched together, I remember there was one time I strayed off the path
Problems in Anime Storytelling
00:46:12
Speaker
to watch. What was described to me can I just say, for the Defend Your Honor, a attack on Titan clone that was supposed to be really good and that was, it wasn't as bad as ACO. I'll give it that, it wasn't as bad as like, if I know it probably was. You know what, I'm going to take the kid gloves off here because you've got to rant about ACO so I'm going to beat this to the ground.
00:46:33
Speaker
I don't know if there are actually fans of Black Bullet, I'm gonna be honest. Ezio, I can tell. If you say, oh, I don't like Ezio, the fans come out in force to beat you down to virtual reality. But for Black Bullet, Black Bullet is like, oh, what would happen if there were aliens attacking every so often? You've got a guy with a big gun and his basically a child that accompanies him that can see enemies or something like that and helps fight them.
00:46:59
Speaker
Every single child is a young girl and you're just like, okay, this is a bit strange. And the fact that the young girl keeps professing her love to the main character, you're like, okay, this is getting uncomfortable. Guys, stop, stop. And yeah, it is just, it is the worst of... Do you know what really put me off of it? This is like a speedrun of how to turn me off anatomy.
00:47:21
Speaker
the very beginning you see the protagonist as a child and basically he's like cowering and feared and this old man's holding a sword as he's fighting this monster and I shit you not this is a quote he says maybe it's a bad translation but he says if you don't want to die live and I was like yes that's how you live by not dying so was that supposed to be like profound
00:47:43
Speaker
yeah profound or this amazing kind of quote that people are going to put on t-shirts saying if you don't want to die live you know you're like this is just dumb and i did watch it the only same in grace is there was a cool guy with a top part who was an antagonist i will say he looked cool but that was a if you have to wreck i mean that didn't have the same kind of grace as seo but if you
00:48:03
Speaker
have to retroactively fix your content. It's just not that great, has it? I totally agree. So I was going to say, we were talking about abridged earlier, and I think one of the best things that happened to Sword Art Online in a long time was SAO abridged.
00:48:18
Speaker
And it's not a new series, but sort of online abridged by something witty entertainment, I think it is, is very funny. And I highly recommend it. Even if you've not seen the series, it's it's pretty good at telling the story in their own way. And so I would recommend that they they're pretty slow at getting out.
00:48:35
Speaker
their content because it has unpaid content essentially so they have to kind of do it during their free time when they can. So there's often very long gaps between episodes and so you'll very quickly catch up and be with us waiting for the next one but it's very funny and I would highly recommend that for anyone with a remote interest in Sword Art Online that doesn't really fancy going through some of the issues that we have talked about. There's an abridged version which will smooth over some of the cracks
00:49:05
Speaker
yeah that is actually a really good abridged series, I would recommend that. But see before we move on to basically the post-university arc, or as I like to call it the Betrayal arc, when you abandon me.
Anime Favorites and Recommendations
00:49:19
Speaker
Was there any other animes that you went and watched on your own? Because I know from the majority of uni we both watched a lot of anime together, but was there any particular ones you watched on your own or with
00:49:30
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others. There were certainly some whilst I was still in university and you had graduated by this time that I would, I was watching. Some that come spring to mind are One Punch Man, which is fantastic. I love One Punch Man. It's a very short, short series. There's been, I've not heard any word about the third season of it, but I'm hoping it comes out soon because it was, it's such a fun show. There's been others that I watched in university as well, like Parasite the Maxim, which is
00:49:56
Speaker
very weird. An alien that goes in this guy's hand. Seven Deadly Sins is another big one that I watched in university and outside continued on past my university time. There were several, but one highlight during our time that we've not mentioned, I just want to quickly bring up, and it's one of my favorite anime, quite possibly my favorite anime, is Gurren Lagann by Studio Trigger, who are just a wonderful animation studio. Highly recommend the majority of their library. It's just fantastic. And Gurren Lagann
00:50:25
Speaker
also has some issues with it there there is there is some things that you might want to sort of preface when recommending it to people but it inspired such a wave of emotion from me that i can't help but say yes this is my favorite because i don't think very many other
00:50:40
Speaker
Anime or really anything inspired the emotional response from me that Gurren Lagann did. So I cannot speak more highly of this show. And I know you are also a fan. I don't know if you're necessarily to the same extent a fan of it, but I know you also enjoyed it. We watched it together in my second year, fourth year of university.
00:50:59
Speaker
think that is one of the things about anime that people don't really touch on when they talk about anime because it's like it's one thing to go away and watch an anime on your own but it's another thing when you find the community for that anime if that makes sense. Definitely, yeah I completely agree. You know it's like if I went away and watched Hunter x Hunter I would have enjoyed it sure but it's like
00:51:21
Speaker
would I have enjoyed it to the same extent if I didn't watch it with you? Even with SEO and things, although we've obviously complained about it and everything, it's still that kind of shared experience, you know? It's like going through it together, suffering together, haha. I'm kidding for legal reasons, that's a joke. Attack on Titan and things, full metal alchemist.
00:51:40
Speaker
you know, all of the good on Gann as well, but all of these shows just, they were just kind of made better, you know, by watching it with someone and having someone to bounce off of and be like, oh, what's going to happen next? Because after a minute, even though it wasn't that great, we watched Fate Stay Night Zero together. That was okay.
00:51:56
Speaker
The experience of watching it together I felt was better than the show itself. Watching it, yeah. Because it's one of those enemies that, yeah, it's because it's a prequel. I think that's why we were so lost. We're gonna have the fans of so many different anime on our back because of this episode.
00:52:11
Speaker
Well, see if you wanna lodge like a grievance. You can catch us at anchor.fm slash chat tsunami. Please, whatever you do, do not share the link to the episode and get everybody to listen to the episode. Yeah, if you really hate it, tell your friends to listen so they can hate it too. Yes, exactly. That shared experience. Shared experience of hating us. Speedrun cancelling myself aside.
00:52:36
Speaker
Just to jump in there, I do agree definitely about the shared experience. And I think this isn't just an anime thing. I think this speaks to a wider situation with our society and culture at the moment with regards to the content available. Because everything really now is online, and even when it's not, there's such an abundance of content and shows.
00:52:57
Speaker
that it's quite hard to find a, and a lot of them are so good, that it's quite hard to find a show that you and a friend or colleague both enjoy, that you can have that water cooler moment of talking about it and conversing over it. And so when you both are able to say, let's both watch this together or have watched it separately and just want to talk about it and we'll watch it again, it feels special. It feels really special. And anime was that for us that we, we, we didn't just watch
00:53:24
Speaker
anime together. There was a bunch of other shows and movies that we watched together, Game of Thrones, Avitalas, Airbender, Secret Life of Walter Mitty. There was all these kind of greats of our time that we watched together. And you have that shared experience. And I joke about the Secret Life of Walter Mitty, but it was actually the first time that Satsanami and I stayed up late and watched something together. And we we joked about it. We created characters in the movie because the movie itself was largely forgettable, but we would create kind of characters, put on voices for characters
00:53:52
Speaker
create like pretend they were saying lines and that kind of stuff and it made it a more enjoyable experience for us that even even something when you're not having as much fun with the content you can create that yourself and we'll get I'm getting into a much wider topic now than anime I'm just getting into just friendship as a
00:54:07
Speaker
Well, anime and friendship are like peas and carrots, aren't they? They're intertwined. Power of friendship is often what gets the characters through it. I'm now just getting into sort of reminisce nostalgia time, which is, I suppose, the point of this episode. It was a really sort of lovely experience, the time where we got to watch anime together and discuss anime together in person.
00:54:31
Speaker
So that was a very strong memory of university for me. I didn't always find the academic side of university as fun. I got through it, but not as fun. But it was certainly the experiences. If you're young, listening to this and you're debating, do I want to go to college or university? Will I make friends? You will. You'll make friends. You'll have a good time. School side of things isn't the only
00:54:51
Speaker
side of university. It's the social experiences you create and if you both have a shared love of anime then it can make a friendship last a bit longer. So I think if you find that shared interest with someone at university it can make the difference between chatting to them for a year and then never again or in my case with Satsunami chatting for the last eight years now. I mean it's that experience of sitting up at 2am eating pizza watching the latest episode of Attack on Titan or
00:55:21
Speaker
Yeah, those are the memories though. Don't get me wrong, there were loads of memories I have of university, but those were some of, by far, my favourite memories of of course just chilling out with you, having a good time, watching anime, riffing on it. Of course other media as well, we didn't just watch anime as you mentioned, but
00:55:41
Speaker
yeah like those moments where we just like chilled out and after you know the stress of university and things it was good to kind of relax and unwind because I have to admit and this will get something a bit side tangent but I always remember there was one time in university where because of the long story short because of the living conditions of my room at the time I got very sick and
00:56:02
Speaker
And I had to kind of quarantine myself before quarantine was cool. Hashtag pre 2020 quarantine gang here. So it's like I was off uni lectures. I was like
00:56:14
Speaker
held up in my room just like the king out. It passed, it was not, it wasn't like anything too serious but I was still like really under the weather and I always remember watching a show called, I
Anime as Comfort and Escapism
00:56:27
Speaker
think I was looking through to see what kind of shows I could watch you know anime wise because I think at the time you were busy with
00:56:35
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university work as well, what I did with you getting sick off of me. And I ended up finding a show called Chunibio. Have you ever heard of that show? TUN-Chunibio? Yeah, it's like, it's not this kind of mainstream. And I don't want to be like a hipster being like, it's not this mainstream, you would understand. It's because I saw a clip of it on YouTube and I was like, this looks quite neat. And it's a cute anime. It's basically, I don't know if Chunibio is like a real term in Japanese or it's just made up for
00:57:03
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the show but essentially what it is is do you remember when we were kids and you know how you get like that one kid to kind of role plays as a character or just like as heavy into like the role play elements it's like oh i'm this and that what kids do they create their own OCs and things like that it's basically a show about like a boy who's trying to he used to be like that when he was younger
00:57:25
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and then he moves to a new school. I think he moves to high school and he tries to lock that side of himself away, but then he meets a girl who is still kind of in that diluted phase. It's just going back, like this is going really far back into the episode, but just what you said about having a comfort show, it's like one of these shows that it wasn't about life or death,
00:57:47
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scales, it wasn't about the world ending, it was about, you know, it was just this like really comfy show and I think that is like something a lot of anime fans kind of feel in. Anime, you know, it's like a comfort show. It's like a, you know, world that they can escape in and obviously that concept isn't just limited to anime but I feel as if like the right anime at the right time really kind of helps.
00:58:11
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in that regard and going from that to much like insert popular boy band at the time here split, you know, you and I both went our I say separate ways even though we've been talking for as you said eight plus years.
Post-University Anime Watching Habits
00:58:25
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Yeah did you keep up with because I know you have kept up with anime but did you keep up with anime the same after we both parted?
00:58:33
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I definitely did not watch it to the same extent for a long period of time. I think within the last couple of years I've gotten more into it. I'll have waves of watching a bunch of different anime, watching lots of anime at the same time. I'll usually have my standard anime that I've watched consistently.
00:58:53
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Well, I say this, I got back into watching One Piece probably about a year ago, maybe a bit longer after a self-imposed hiatus due to lack of interest in the show. So I got back into that and I've watched that consistently for the last couple of years. And then there's been other shows that I've kind of jumped into, I've heard. I've watched some anime YouTubers, YouTubers who talk about anime, not a whole lot of them, but just one that's particularly funny usually. Shout out to Gigguk.
00:59:20
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or Gig UK, I can't remember. I think it's Gigguk, isn't it? He has some great videos on anime and he'll often do lots of episodes where he's recommending shows. And that has kind of become my new way of finding out about anime. And I found out about so many different anime as a result of this. Dr. Stone, which I know you have your opinions on. That time I got reincarnated as a slime.
00:59:43
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both these shows I absolutely love and then there's been lots of others throughout the last few years but one most recently and I really really recommend this to anyone listening if you've not already watched it and especially Yousaf Tsunami is Ranking of Kings which is such a lovely anime. It is a small boy who is deaf and mute for the most part. He makes noises but he can't speak. Is that the one where it's like the shadowy creature
01:00:13
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There is a little shadow creature friend who looks a bit like an unknown from Pokemon, who is his friend and he acts as almost like his translator as well. The world is a medieval fantasy world. The animation and general basic story seems like a children's show, almost like a children's book or a very early children's cartoon with the mean stepmother wanting
01:00:39
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her son to be the next king kind of thing and then it starts to sort of get into it and you're realizing it's much more complex than that it's a lot more deep than that the animation is actually quite say again complex that the storyline gets very dark at times very gruesome in some ways and you're seeing these it's very childlike animation with
01:00:59
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characters who have just been stabbed and you're like, oh my goodness, I did not see that coming. Everything else to this point, it seemed so childlike. And then all of a sudden this character has just been stabbed and is bleeding out. And the young protagonist is just the sweetest character and you really root for him. So again, cannot recommend highly enough this show. It is very cute, very fun.
01:01:21
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very entertaining. And it's still, it's still running. I think the latest episode just came out of the yesterday today. So I'll be watching that probably later tonight. And yeah, definitely check that out. That's, that's my recommendation of the day. I really enjoy love world building kind of shows like that time I got reincarnated as a slime. That's very fun to me that has a lot of eye roll moments.
01:01:39
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But I'm able to ignore those because the general show is pretty fun. And Dr. Stone is another one that's a lot of like world. I say world building. I don't mean like it displays its own world in a very rich kind of way. More so like they're creating their own town and starting a civilization from scratch pretty much. And in Dr. Stone's case, he's sort of trying to accelerate technology to a certain point in this sort of Medivh, this sort of like Stone Age world very much.
01:02:05
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And so there's lots of very fun shows at the moment. I've watched a heap of anime. I've watched a lot of different anime since we left, as I said, in different kind of waves. But those are probably my main ones at the moment. There's others that I'm less inclined to recommend, but I still watch, like Overlord, which I think you've watched a little bit of, and Rising of the Shield Hero, which has some pretty controversial scenes in it.
01:02:30
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So those are a few of mine. I don't want to bore the listeners too much with more recommendations from me and more of what I've just been listening to and watching. But do you have any of your own that you would say that you've been watching or would recommend? No, not at all.
01:02:46
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And on that note, thank you. Yeah, maybe a few. I was in very much the same boat as you, I think. I really didn't watch much anime after university. I don't know, like, you know how it is, like life gets in the way and you just don't have enough time for certain things like you used to, like anime watching and things like that. But then I slowly started to get into it with things like, as you said, One Punch Man. Absolutely fantastic.
01:03:12
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Mob Psycho as well. One of my friends introduced me to that. So good. I did watch Seven Deadly Sins with a partner, but yeah, mixed feelings. I'll just cloth notes here. Mixed feelings. You have your major one. Yes, my latest obsession, Jojo's Bizarre Adventures, which
01:03:31
Speaker
Honestly, if you want to hear my full opinions, I've got 6 episodes with The Amazing Blowfish Man TV, who is also Canadian, so yeah, go check those out on the Chatsunami Channel. But I was recommended to JoJo by a friend for absolutely ages. They kept saying, watch it, it's good, it's good. And I was like, yeah, I'll get round to it. You know how that is, good joke.
01:03:51
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but I took ages to get round to it and then of course 2020 hit I decided to watch it and I absolutely love it. I watched the first three seasons, wasn't a big fan of the third one so I took a break and then I was kicking myself because part four was so good. I had the time of this episode still waiting for the rest of Stone Ocean to drop but yeah I
01:04:10
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I absolutely loved it. Of course, My Hero Academia. That's another great one. Of course. I forgot about My Hero Academia. I've enjoyed My Hero Academia to such an extent I've seen three of the movies at the cinema.
The Challenge of Long-running Series
01:04:23
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Yeah, I've actually. Well, I've seen two out of three. I think I haven't seen the latest one, but I've heard good things about it. What's quite funny is the last film pre-lockdown that I watched at the cinema was the second My Hero Academia movie with my partner, Taylor, who did not
01:04:38
Speaker
watch My Her Academia, so that was her first introduction to it. And then one of the first movies following cinema's reopening post lockdown, well of that lockdown, was the third one. So it felt quite appropriate that we started the pandemic with My Her Academia, then ended it. Oh, I said ended, it's still ongoing. For any future listeners listening to this, it's still running the pandemic currently.
01:05:02
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and yeah if they're any past listeners who might be using the time machine please buy toilet rolls you won't regret it, nah jokes aside I don't know like my hero academia was just one of those like it was just one of those shows that throughout the first episode it actually hooked me right away and I can't say that about a lot of animes because there's a lot of animes where like film out at alchemist brotherhood I'll watch it and they'll be like
01:05:25
Speaker
I don't know, you know, and then eventually I have to push myself to watch the rest of it. But for my hero academy, it just could rip me right away. And don't get me wrong, you know, it's kind of dipping and some bits of it is lolled. Yeah, which is the standard for any kind of serious like that. And I know it's
01:05:43
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probably going to be one of those series that goes on for ages. Not one piece starters. If I'm remembering correctly, there's not that much left of the series. It's going to end not like super soon, but like there's not that much left of it. That's actually surprising.
01:06:00
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I thought it was going to go on for ages at least. Maybe not One Piece standards or Naruto or anything like that. But Naruto, that's another one I watched post-university. I decided I would watch all of Naruto and Naruto ship it in finally. So I'd just binge through that in the course of like four months.
01:06:16
Speaker
I tried. I really tried, but I just could not get into it. Not in a bad way. And again, no disrespect to Naruto's. Well, I don't like Ninjas for one, but it's just... Same with One Piece. I tried getting into One Piece as well, but it's like Dragon Ball Z. I don't know if I would be into Dragon Ball nowadays. I tried getting into it and I think it's just the length of it. And I get it, you know. I get that there's like guides out there that say, watch this particular art.
01:06:44
Speaker
don't watch this arc and you know you're gonna have a good time or a bad time but i don't know it just seems like a lot of effort just to be like oh yes i've finally watched it there's just some series that i feel as if it's better if you're growing up with it rather than you know jumping into it in the deep end
01:07:00
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Yeah, I watched it at the ripe old age of 23 or 24, which I really enjoyed it. As I said, I looked up a list of all the filler episodes so I could skip past those because I know a lot of narrative fans enjoy several filler and some of the filler have their own arcs, so there was a pretty substantial one to skip. But I think that ended up being 112 episodes that I skipped, which
01:07:26
Speaker
sped up the process pretty substantially but I mean there was still hundreds of episodes to watch so it took quite a while. I'd re-watched all of Dragon Ball Z before so like I thought like oh I'm pretty capable of like getting through this but it was a challenge far greater than that for Naruto. It was very akin to when I tried to catch up with One Piece in my early or other late teenage years. That's a chunky series.
01:07:51
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I mean, I'm just trying to think of what other anime—I mean, there was the—like, before I go into my controversial takes, there was one I watched recently called The Disasterous Life of Psychic A. I actually really enjoyed that. It's basically One Punch Man, but instead of One Punch Man, it's psychics. Okay, it's more like a slice of life, but with a world-ending psychic. I actually really, really enjoyed that.
01:08:14
Speaker
And actually, there was an anime sequel going off of that trope of the main protagonist is stronger than everyone else. I actually saw a really good Chinese one, which I don't know if that technically is anime, but it's called The Daily Life of the Immortal King, which obviously is not the greatest anime I've ever seen, but
01:08:35
Speaker
I actually really enjoyed it. I don't know, there's something quite, not nice, that's the wrong word, but you know, it's something relaxing when seeing the main characters like super OP, but it's kind of played as a joke into the story. Like there's some anime going back to SEO where it's like the main character's so OP and they can't be touched and then I think it's like, okay, that makes it boring, but when they mix
01:08:58
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an overpower protagonist is like the core joke. Whether it's One Punch Man, Mob Psycho, which I know they're made by the same guy, Daily Life of the Immortal King. So good. Daily Life of Psyche Kade. Yeah, they're honestly great, but do you want to hear my controversial takes?
01:09:15
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I'm always prepared to hear controversial takes, that's all. Okay, so get ready to speedrun me getting cancelled by the anime community. I could not get into Dr. Stone, I'm gonna be honest, and I've talked to you about this and I think it's just the reason that everybody in the show annoyed me and maybe it's just I need to watch
01:09:33
Speaker
of it. Maybe I just need to feel metal alchemist myself through it, but it was just a chore to get through. I just sat there thinking, aye, you know, you had like the very smug Doctor Stone himself. I don't even know if that's his name, but I'm just gonna
01:09:48
Speaker
called Doctor School. Yeah, that's the one. You know, you've got him who's like smug all the time. You've got the psychic, he just screams all the time. He screams everything. I don't know, I just, I really couldn't get into it. Another one I couldn't get into, and this isn't because the show's bad, but Demon Slayer. Don't call it mid. Whatever you do, don't call Demon Slayer mid. Oh no, it's worse than that. No, I'm kidding.
01:10:11
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kidding. I am, I'm genuinely kidding, please don't lynch me. Demon Slayer, I started watching it and I really couldn't get into it and I think, and I was saying this to you before we recorded but I think this is more a kind of state of mind thing. For example, I tried watching Akira like a couple of months ago and I really just couldn't get into it. Now that's not to say like me saying oh I can get into it, that's not like me saying oh it's terrible never watch it. It just means at that point I, I don't know
01:10:41
Speaker
I just really couldn't get into, you know, watching that particular album and same with Demon Slayer. Like, I watched a couple of episodes up until his, I think, when he's training in the forest and he meets the other characters and I was just like, yes, it's okay. And I don't know, I don't know if it's like, because I'm getting older and I'm just like, eh.
01:11:02
Speaker
you know that way but it's like because I'm not watching it with other people as it were like I'm not watching it like at the same time with you and discussing it or yeah I wonder I wonder if you would enjoy it more if if you had watched it with me like we did in university for other shows probably I I didn't I didn't mention Demon Slayer when I was talking about great sort of shows I've watched in recent years but I I loved Demon Slayer I think Demon Slayer is fantastic
01:11:25
Speaker
Just quickly, when you brought up the shouting from Dr. Stone, it actually made me think of another show I watched after university, Black Clover, and if you ever encountered that show. I've heard of it, yeah. Yeah, so that one's very good. It has a lot of similarities, I think, with Naruto, but it's not as good as Naruto. It has great moments. It does have good moments.
01:11:48
Speaker
but it's not nearly as interesting as Naruto, and the characters are pretty one note. There's a very weird character in it that loves his sister, his child sister, not in a sexual way, but is obsessed with her, which is very strange, which might be endearing in some ways, but it's not.
01:12:08
Speaker
I have to admit, kind of going off on that point, although they're both teenagers, even though I do love the disastrous life of psychic aid, there is a similar situation only, it's a bit worse, where it's like someone's brother fawning over their sister and everything, and it's like at first you think, oh they're just being overprotective and then they keep talking, and you're like, ugh, why did you have to throw this in?
01:12:30
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We didn't even get into that part of SAO. Oh, God, yeah. Next episode. Next episode, yeah. Eventually, we'll have an SAO episode where we talk more in depth about that. If you did enjoy my, or rather, our rants on that, then you can look forward to that. If you didn't, then too bad. You're getting it anyway.
01:12:49
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is what the fans demand of it. But I mean, see at the end of the day though, anime is just so diverse. Actually there's a couple of shows we didn't actually mention, or rather movies as it were, because you and I watched a good couple of anime films in uni. We did. That of course being Ghibli's classics like
01:13:09
Speaker
Castle in the Sky, I had to be very careful there because I know the other title, which would offend a lot of Spanish people, or rather a lot of Spanish-speaking people. I think a lot of Spanish speakers did do a double take and go, they're watching the sky! What does it mean in Spanish? La puta? I don't even know if I can say it on the podcast.
Anime Movies and Studio Comparisons
01:13:28
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It's like a very rude word. This is where your editing skills come into handy of your bleeps. It basically means like a very promiscuous individual, or akin to like a worst version of the effort. Yeah, it's not nice, but again, I don't think they thought of that when they were making the film title. I think it was just meant to be like a funny name. They weren't thinking, ah, what are swear words in Spanish for the date?
01:13:54
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to my knowledge, Laputa Castle in the Sky, and I may have mixed this up with something else, but I'm pretty sure Laputa Castle in the Sky is not Ghibli, that it was created before Ghibli as a studio was actually created. A lot of the same team worked on it, but Ghibli was not founded at that point. I could be wrong, I might be thinking of a different movie that came out prior to that, but if I'm correct, that is the case, that Laputa was pre-Ghibli.
01:14:20
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But speaking of non-gay bully films, like, well, sorry, before we go on, there was Grey for the Fireflies, we watched, which was, yeah, that's a tough watch, that one. Great film, absolutely fantastic, but Grey for the Fireflies is just... Fun fact for you, when Grow the Fireflies came out, so did My Neighbor Totoro, and it was put on as a double bill, so you watched both films one after the other. Why?
01:14:46
Speaker
So those unaware, My Neighbor Totoro is like a toddler movie, essentially. It's very cute, very sweet, very little actual story going on, but it's just kind of a bunch of events happened with mystical characters. It's very, very cute, very sweet. I know Sasanami doesn't like it very much, but that's his problem.
01:15:02
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Whereas Forever the Fireflies is a dramatic piece set in Japan during World War II with two orphans trying to survive and are like starving. Same thing really. So they don't quite gel together for the same kinds of people who may be going in to watch that. One like could be nominated for an Oscar, like for its like deep portrayal of children in a war-torn country. And the other is like a cutesy children's movie.
01:15:29
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Both fantastic, but in their own ways. But not at all similar. No, absolutely not. That is actually horrifying. Maybe until later. But I see it later and then I'm gonna bring up Wolf Children because that has some harrowing moments in it. It does indeed. I think one of the characters is called Haru, in fact. The movie Wolf Children is just gorgeous. The animation is beautiful. The music is stunning.
01:15:50
Speaker
Am I right in saying it's the same studio that created the girl who wiped through time? To my knowledge, that is correct, yes. I want to say it's Madhouse, but I don't know that for sure. I'd have to look that up. But Studio Ghibli always gets the attention outside of Japan, rather, in the Western world when it comes to anime movies. But there is some absolutely fantastic stuff from other studios such as Madhouse and
01:16:16
Speaker
There are other anime studios that make fantastic Japanese anime movies, but I cannot think of them for the life of me. Another honorable mention would be Your Name, which is, I'm not just talking anime movie, but it is one of my partner's favorite movies of all time. I showed her that film and she fell in love. We frequently listen to the soundtrack and will multiple times a year watch the movie because we love it that much.
01:16:41
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and any kind of push to have us go to a trip to Japan is usually prefaced with, oh we can go see this location from your name, and that kind of pushes it to being more of a possibility once travel over there is possible. Honestly, there is just such a plethora of anime content out there, because I think a lot of people are put off by the kind of
01:17:03
Speaker
you know, the surface level anime reputation as it were. Because us growing up in the kind of mid-2000s, there was a lot of, how to put this delicately, like, you know, the cringe compilations, people running around saying kawaii all the time and things like that.
01:17:19
Speaker
the end of the day there's just so as you said there's so many films out there that really showcase you know the beauty of the animation and just really makes you want to explore this medium further. What I will say is not all of them hit like you know directly but obviously you and I have like just talked to the last hour or so about animes that are good or not. For example if you like something like My Hero Academia then chances are you're not gonna like Ghost in the Shell or
01:17:47
Speaker
If you like psychopaths, then you're not going to enjoy probably Jojo. So it's kind of trying to fit in with what you appreciate as a final anime to Ragon, but did you say Tokyo sinks or Japan sinks,
Anime's Storytelling Diversity
01:18:02
Speaker
sorry? I've never seen Japan sinks. I've heard a lot about it. I've seen scenes from it, but I've never watched the show.
01:18:07
Speaker
speed review from Chatsunami. I did not enjoy it. It was not good. I want my money back. I didn't pay for it. It was on Netflix but I still want my money back. It wasn't great, I have to say. I tried. I really tried getting into it. There's some bits that are really well done but I feel as if after a certain point it just goes downhill and again that's a story for another time. All the Japan syncs stands out there. They'll be like, oh no, off with his head but like, yeah.
01:18:33
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I don't know. Kind of just as a closing point, would you say that this has been a worthwhile journey for you in terms of like exploring anime? Yeah I mean of course. I think it's one of my favourite mediums of entertainment. I love anime.
01:18:48
Speaker
I'm very open to its criticisms, and I will often argue about a lot of the issues that exist within anime and anime culture. But at the end of the day, I enjoy the medium. I've always enjoyed animation, and I think that Japanese animation is some of the best that there is. The art style of a more 2D style appeals to me a lot more than 3D animation.
01:19:12
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Whilst I have huge praise for the work of Pixar and wider Disney and Dreamworks and Illumination, I think these studios all create very well crafted animated movies. And likewise for television shows as well, cartoons. I do find that I enjoy the animation anime more than these well crafted 3D animated Disney, Pixar, Dreamworks, Illumination films.
01:19:37
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With the odd exception, there's something like How to Train Your Dragon I think is gorgeous and Pixar's Luca or something like that has such beautiful animation and Kanto has such beautiful animation. But generally I prefer the 2D style and I think that's more enjoyable for me. I don't know where you sit for that. So what you're saying is for the next episode we should do Dreamworks.
01:19:58
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retrospective. I would love to do that, that would actually be very fun. Okay, we're adding it to the list next time. No, I do agree. At the end of the day, this is a thing that I do think a lot of animators obviously do, in a very cheesy, ironic way, with the power of friendship. But it does feel, though, as if a lot of anime, in terms of anime culture as a whole, is trying to find your
Encouragement and Conclusion
01:20:22
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community. Because you could go into anime and just watch particular ones that
01:20:26
Speaker
you want to watch, whether it be Attack on Titan, whether it be Fate Stay Night, you know, whatever, whatever you're into. And whether or not you enjoy them or you don't enjoy them, that is like entirely up to you because I have seen a lot of fans, probably younger fans, but I wouldn't put it past older fans that get very defensive because maybe because that's a show they've grown up with, maybe it's a show that
01:20:50
Speaker
they really like like for example sort of online obviously it's not our cup of tea but it doesn't mean that like someone else can't get enjoyment out of it I mean personally obviously we can't see that from our end because we watched it together we forged our own experience and that's perfectly okay whether you enjoy a show whether you hate a show don't let anybody and yeah this is a sappy PSA of the episode but yeah don't let anybody you know say if they hate an anime or don't like an anime film anime series whatever
01:21:20
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that is yours like the enjoyment is yours to have into Kingdom Foster throughout your own anime journey and if anyone listening out there has their own anime journey they would like to share with us feel free to send it in to either Twitter we've got the website as well for chat tsunami, Instagram as well
01:21:38
Speaker
you know, if you want to share your opinions and talk about your journey, please feel free because we would love to hear what you have to say. That's the final point as well. Anime isn't one thing. I've constantly or rather I've said this many times that you can't necessarily say, Oh, I don't like anime because there isn't just Dragon Ball. There isn't just this one genre. It's like saying, I don't like books. Like you have so many different varieties. There are people who say they don't like books.
01:22:08
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That's fair enough. There will be people who there will be no anime that they can get into and there will be stumbling blanks for them. They may not enjoy the art style of any kind of anime, which is possible. They may not enjoy the cultural references, but for the most part, I don't think really plays out because
01:22:26
Speaker
There will be anime set in so many different locations, time periods, the stories will be so different that the genres that are being told so different. You can get horror anime, you can get children friendly anime, you can get murder thriller anime, action, adventure. There's so many different explorations and different stories being told just through the medium.
01:22:45
Speaker
Because that's what it is. Anime is a medium. Anime isn't a genre in itself. It is the medium through which genres and stories are told. That allows you more so than lots of other types of mediums. Because cartoons, Western cartoons typically
01:23:01
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There is a differentiation. There is some, especially more recently, there is now more shows that explore cartoons as a medium as opposed to a genre. And you have your children's cartoons, then you have your more adult focused cartoons, like which at one point would have been Simpsons or Family Guy or
01:23:18
Speaker
shows like that, and now you have other shows which are cartoons but catered towards adults, for example. A more recent example would be The Boys, released in anthology series that is animated on Amazon, and that is very adult orientated.
01:23:34
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And there's now dozens of shows like that. There's a Dungeons and Dragons critical role Vox Machina animated show, which is very adult orientated, all animated. So animation is now getting into that. But for the longest time, you did not have that variety in cartoons like you did in anime. And so that's one of the things that was so refreshing at the time. And I think now, and partly through inspiration from anime, I think I think that these more recent adult orientated cartoons have been inspired by anime and what anime can do for an older audience.
01:24:03
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were able to get into that. So unless animation itself is the biggest stumbling block for you, I think you will find there is an anime that you will enjoy. On that note, thank you so so much for listening. I hope Adam you've enjoyed our PowerPoint for why you should come back on the show for more episodes of the Chatsunani.
01:24:23
Speaker
If anything, just to get us to shut up so we're not talking for two hours. Worth it. Don't worry. I hate to think it'll be five minutes. Oh, okay, yeah. It'll just be solely our rant on SEO. That's all it'll be. See, to be fair, this episode is about five minutes in the making minutes, so we're fine.
01:24:39
Speaker
worry. And yeah, seeing that note, I think that's the perfect place to... Over 5,000. Over 5,000. Yeah, perfect place to stop, I think. But honestly, Green Shield, thank you so much for coming on and yeah, reminiscing through memory lane as it were. Yeah, thank you so much for having me.
01:24:55
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I'd finish the episode and say yeah if you want to follow us by the way. But we do have a lot more episodes on anime, of course that being the Chatsunani series which you can find on the website as well. But if you want to check out more episodes just in general, whether it be the JoJo disrespectives or Chatsunani episodes together, the game reviews I've done,
01:25:17
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Check us out on Anchor, Spotify, iTunes, YouTube and really all good podcast apps. So just look for the Red Panda under the name Chat Tsunami. And yeah, we will see you there. But until then, thank you so so much for listening. As always, stay safe, stay awesome, stay hydrated and enjoy your anime.