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The WebWell Podcast - Building Balance – Entrepreneurship, Emotional Intelligence, and Men's Mental Wellness
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In this episode of The Web Well Podcast, Simon and Ben are joined by special guest Chris Andreasen, entrepreneur and longtime friend. Together, they dive into Chris’s journey through the bike industry, real estate, and his latest venture focused on men’s mental wellness and coaching. From reminiscing about wild adventures to exploring the challenges men face balancing success, family, and self-awareness, this conversation offers relatable stories and actionable insights. Chris shares how his personal growth led him to champion emotional well-being, creating programs to help men show up fully for their families, communities, and themselves.
Connect with Chris on Instagram: @chris.andreasen.54.
Send us your thoughts or topic suggestions at webwell@cascadewebdev.com!
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Transcript
Introductions and Shared History
00:00:07
Speaker
All right, welcome back everyone to the Web Well Podcast. I'm Simon. As always, joined with Ben McKinley as well and special guest today, longtime friend, Chris Andreessen. Welcome. Yeah, thanks for having me guys. Appreciate it.
00:00:21
Speaker
So Chris, ah just a little backstory, Chris and I go back in bike world, shoot 20 years, we were just spitballing before this, about 20 years when I moved to Spokane. Ended up working at a shop ah that was locally owned, chain, and then Chris was managing one of the other ones.
00:00:38
Speaker
uh we raced against each other i shouldn't say that i was just saying how i was always slower so you were in pro class and i was down below that so we'd ride together how about that we rode together uh and i would try to follow him uh down like mount spokane and stuff i just remember a few moments uh where chris would just let go of the brakes and just like disappear and And I don't want to, you know, brag. I'm not slow, but I couldn't. I couldn't hang. So
Memorable Racing and Bike Shop Tales
00:01:05
Speaker
super excited to have Chris here in and just kind of reminisce over ah some of the years that we've had together. um I'll pull up a little picture on the post-production of this. This is Chris and I back in Vegas in our bike back in like 2008. And then ah the next photo next to it is ah we did a premiere at one of the bike shops.
00:01:26
Speaker
ah Showed some bike videos and got dressed up and had some fun glad you got the pre photo and not the post photo Uh, I remember that one. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, you, uh, you got, we got you back in your room. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. Uh, but there was another photo I texted you. Ben, I'll, I'll share it with you later. Um, in copper though, uh, when you tried and I'll just ruin it for everyone, but you tried to get a golf cart in the elevator. So. i'm just nice It doesn't work, it won't fit. yeah
Entrepreneurial Journey Begins
00:02:05
Speaker
but Yeah, so all that to say, Chris, we were young once, we had fun, yeah um and we lived and survived it. So I'm super stoked to have you here, just kind of reminisce over that, but also just see what you're up to now. um As we were talking about the show notes and whatnot, ah these topics or this topic, when we get to it, is is something that Ben and I talk about all the time.
00:02:30
Speaker
We, Ben and I have like a one-on-one call ah weekly where most of the time it's like the first half of it is just about us. but Like what we're up to ah just as as men, as employees, husbands, fathers, like just what we're doing, what's new, what we're excited about. And and Ben and I typically have fun and fun adventure weekends. And so we're always sharing notes and and reminiscing over that. And then we talk about work. So this is this is kind of a relevant topic for us as we we bring you into this. so ah Chris, if we didn't start off, give us a little background ah back from ah when we first met, even before that, what got you into bikes maybe, and and just as an entrepreneur owning a couple of businesses. ah Yeah, give us some backstory.
00:03:15
Speaker
Yeah, so the bike world was ah pretty relevant to me really early ah bikes. um I know I grew up with, I didn't really have a father figure, right? And I moved around quite a bit. And so when I found kind of that local bike shop as a kid, it kind of gave me that purpose. And I finally had found some guys that took interest and ended up being my second home. And so it kind of led me down to where we met. I started working in shops really early,
00:03:44
Speaker
If they wanted me to clean the toilet, I did whatever it took to stay in that environment because it was so important to me. And the
From Bikes to Real Estate
00:03:51
Speaker
the the the machine, right? That simple machine of the bicycle was like mesmerizing as a child to me. Like it was like, I couldn't believe that they could build these things and they're so state of the art. And they're actually so simple really compared to what they are now back, especially in this was like the early nineties, right?
00:04:09
Speaker
And so yeah, that's what got me. And once I was hooked, I was hooked. It gave me a place and purpose and and I kind of committed my whole life to that community. And so when we met in 2000, you know, early 2000s or so,
00:04:25
Speaker
um yeah we were at We were working at the same company at that time. We were each kind of managing one of the stores. and and At that point, I was racing very heavily. you know I'd been married for a bit at that point. and yeah it just that That community would have been a very, very significant part of my life and and moved from operating ah one of their stores to the opportunity to kind of, and Simon knows the story, but I tried to actually purchase one of those stores or become a partner and it ended up being a mess. And that kind of led me into just opening my own store. And and what I found in my world is that
00:05:06
Speaker
And then could probably agree inside in the same way as you kind of have a certain way you want to do things. And when you're not able to kind of explore those options as an employee, and you have a brain like mine is very much ADHD, that you have to go explore those on your own. And and that's what I did. And I opened that my first store in 2009. And had those and built that into a pretty successful company and sold that just this last summer. So Congratulations. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. it's been It was a great experience. i I've made so many friends and it was just a time, a part of my life that kind of changed, but my entrepreneurship kind of started in the bike world, but it definitely grew outside of that. I was a real estate caught my interest really early. I i grew up
00:05:56
Speaker
you know, very low income. And as a, as a young man, I kind of recognize that anyone that had wealth, um, had some kind of real estate or multi-real estate. And so I started really diving in to figure out how do these people own more than one property? And so I ended up buying my first house when I was 19 years old, um, kind of by accident, which was pretty kind of funny. Uh, I was going to go rent and someone's like, you should go talk to this guy. He might give you some money to buy a house. I was like, all right. And somehow I ended up with a house like 30 days later. which is crazy, like $60,000 little house. And so I actually still own it today, which is fine.
00:06:32
Speaker
Um, yeah. And so and that just kind of led me down to like into that. And so during the time I was in doing the bike shops, I was also very relevant into real estate and real estate investing. Um,
Emotional Intelligence and Personal Growth
00:06:45
Speaker
I actually at one point owned a real estate brokerage, um, a wife at the time. And, uh, it, we had it for about five years and it grew very quickly and it was pretty successful and sold that company and, and kind of continued down into the path of.
00:07:02
Speaker
developing to flipping to a big rental portfolio. So kind of all kinds of different things when it comes in the real estate world. So yeah, um I guess entrepreneurship is kind of in my blood. And so and I'm still pretty heavy in the real estate stuff. I'm obviously out of the bike game now. And but that's, I guess, a quick recap of me. Where are you? Where are you at right now with real estate, Chris? That's really fascinating to hear about that journey.
00:07:28
Speaker
Yeah, so right now, um and I ended up during the COVID period, I ended up buying a piece of commercial land out here in Liberty Lake. And I developed that and built my first commercial building. And I finished that about almost two years ago now. And so that I'm actually parceling out two more spots in that and eventually gonna do some more developing on that particular property. But as as you guys know, commercial real estate It's a big boy game. And so I put all my pennies into that project. So I got to save a couple more. of start like next project Yeah, I bet. I bet. How many doors, how many sort of spaces or tenants do you serve with the current iteration of that?
00:08:08
Speaker
So in that particular building, I have four. The building's about just under 9,000 square feet with both floors and everything in there. And so um in my ah really or my residential, I have about 15. Most of them are long-term rentals. I have one short-term. I i don't prefer short-term rentals.
00:08:27
Speaker
There are a lot more work than the long term, so. Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, one of the one of the things I always admired, Chris, about you is is I don't know if in high school, maybe now, but when I went through high school, they don't teach a lot of that, right? And so I, yeah, I too, at 24, bought my first house. You know, I thought that was like the thing to do. And and I totally went way too big. I should have just done a ah little tiny little house and then just grew up from there. But I always admired that about you, that like,
00:08:55
Speaker
i I didn't feel that there was anyone really teaching you this. It was that you wanted to go learn it and did it. And I think that's ah that is something that's really a key component to most entrepreneurs is is they're actually creating something that either didn't exist or or there wasn't like an open door. They actually went and found the door and and made it. And so I've always admired that about you.
00:09:18
Speaker
Yeah. Thank you. Appreciate it. Yeah. And you know, it's so true though, but because when we're talking about wealth creation, there's two things that we just will not ever get from our educational systems and that's wealth creation. And the other part is emotional intelligence. And so that's where it leads me to where I'm at now is because the wealth creation is something I feel like I figured out and accomplished. And, but the emotional intelligence has been something that, and I tied to, I struggled with for a long, long time.
00:09:44
Speaker
It kind of led me to my new road, you know, because I needed did that. It was the next step for me for sure. I like that segues really well into what are you, what are you doing now? What's, what's filling your time?
00:09:57
Speaker
Yeah, so I ended up, um after selling the company, I knew that, I guess I'll oh backstory kind of how I led into what I'm doing. So, and I was in a very long relationship over 20 years. um And we, it was a really hard relationship. If anyone has ever been married young, you know that there's a lot of versions of you that come and go through those times, right?
00:10:22
Speaker
And during that, there's a lot of struggles of trying to figure out her needs and wants and how I could show up and still go out and conquer the world that I needed to do. And so, um this was in 2019, 2020. We were kind of at our last straw again. This is Oprah. and And I had an ad pop up on my Facebook and it was a company called The Powerful Man. and they It was about relationship repair. And if you tried counseling, it didn't work and all these things that they had
Mission for Emotional Awareness
00:10:50
Speaker
this formula that would really work. And so I said, I got nothing left in the tank. I need to try something um called, put in to talk to someone. They're pretty new at that point. I actually got to talk to one of the co-founders who was still part of the sales team.
00:11:05
Speaker
And what he said really clicked with me that um but and I it went into that first program with them and really learned how to start showing up for myself. um Learning that we weren't just ah supposed to be providers and protectors as men. There's a lot more to that that I didn't know because I didn't have that um I guess influences or role models that teach me what that kind of emotional intelligence would look like to support my wife at the time. um And so it was a great program. It really turned the pages for me at that point on where I needed to do and understood how much I needed to start showing up for myself so I could start really showing up um for my family, my friends, my community.
00:11:52
Speaker
um It was a life balance. it really was like My life was really out of balance. I was so heavily focused on wealth creation and being successful because of the fact that I thought that if I made it up to the top of that mountain, that that was my success. you know The world would praise me and I would feel exactly, but I got to the top of that mountain and and it was empty. It was ugly.
00:12:13
Speaker
and so those guys kind of showed me like, whoa, you're missing a lot of lot of these steps. So I ended up continuing with those guys for almost another two years going through the whole programs and really understanding what they do and how they do it. and I specifically worked with entrepreneurs and the high level CEOs. That's actually all they've worked with at this point until recently. That's kind of where I come in. um And so it wasn't available. A lot of this information that they do wasn't available to the common guy. So as I was transitioning my company, I basically approached them. I have a ah really good relationships with the owners and I said,
00:12:50
Speaker
Hey, I love what you guys do has been such a huge change for me. I want to bring this information down to the regular guy, you know, and, and they're like, Hey, we know that this is our next step. Um, they, they go, we get it. If you need to go out and do this on your own, but maybe we can, there's some synergy here. We could work together. And that's.
00:13:10
Speaker
So we ended up took a couple months to figure out something and I signed a contract with those guys to help launch a new program that we're going to be able to open this information up in an online version for guys to kind of go at their own pace um at a better price point that it'd be more affordable. So these guys, so this information kind of get out there to them. So that's, that's my new gig that and and just trying to spread the word of kind of men's mental awareness ah well awareness and just that we're, there's a lot of struggle going on right now that I've seen around me and that ah I'm trying to have conversations much like you guys do. And I want to let you guys know how much I admire that relationship that you guys have together as not just as an employer employee, but really truly having deep conversation about your lives. And man, if we had that more in corporate America,
00:14:02
Speaker
what a difference this world would be and how we would operate. So I commend you guys for that so much. so Well, Chris, I really appreciate you sharing that. You know, it's it's really interesting. I feel like I've been on a similar path um and and a couple of things stuck out to me as like entry to this this way of thinking, right? It's not necessarily inherent. I was lucky to have a father growing up who was very involved, but my mother passed away when I was 14 and it just, that makes it hard. I mean, and at this point in my life, the empathy I have for my dad,
00:14:35
Speaker
trying to take his very traditional role and mold that into something completely different with so much trauma facing all of us whoa brutal so you know i don't i don't harbor any ill will there but but finding others that you know can help do that let alone was was that even culturally something that people were thinking about and doing And then I've been fortunate to have some some great mentors, peer mentors, friend groups that I've found myself a part of through a variety of ways where we find ourselves having these conversations and honoring like, this is this is different. This is like the best kind of weird there is, is that we're we're doing this. We're going down this path and we're supporting each other in these ways.
00:15:14
Speaker
And then, you know, fortunately with our technical director, Stefan, who's been, you know, we've been working together for 21 years and counting and Simon's been very receptive to how we do it on these one-to-ones, but yeah, it's not just dollars and cents and, you know, you know, charging after goals, but like, how are you doing, man? And and we're grateful for it. And so I think that,
00:15:34
Speaker
when I was reading over the website last night and trying to wrap my arms around like, what is the messaging and the narrative? How do people access this? How do they work through this? The thing that stuck out to me was what you mentioned. it and it's You see it so often with these types of programs is like, we target CEOs and high net worth individuals, successful people. And it's almost like there's this arc in life that we see where once you achieve greatness, you know, and oftentimes at the peril of of, you know, your nuclear relationships, then there's this opportunity to think about mindfulness and and journaling and, and, you know, taking time for yourself because you have that, you have that time of fluency, perhaps, to to dedicate energy in that direction.
00:16:16
Speaker
What I love you, what you're talking about, which was just like, yes, is this notion of like your angle is, hey, let's let's take this and make it available to those that don't necessarily have as much actual wealth, time of fluency and willingness to make this investment. Because it, you know, I spent a ton of time consuming Indian all podcasts and listening to books and reading the books that I, that don't lend themselves well, the listening that are just kind of super deep.
00:16:41
Speaker
but um But I do love the idea that I just want to see more people see the power of this type of inner work at this stage of our lives, this kind of midlife transition period. And and I think that's the one thing that as as you talk, I'm like, yes, yes, yes, I can relate. I'd love to hang out with this guy more. But how do we make this accessible, spread this wisdom around to as many people as possible versus you know having this be yet one more thing that the the folks that have achieved oftentimes much you know much loss, um that they're the only ones that should have access to it. So bravo for for doing the work, seeing the the value in it, but then figuring out, yeah, how do you how do you you know pollinate as many people as possible with these ideas?
00:17:23
Speaker
Yeah, and I just
Modern Masculinity and Empathy
00:17:24
Speaker
believe that so deeply that culturally we have these regular norms as men that's really heading us down a really ugly path. And so this is a way to kind of course correct that and really start being, stop being human doers and actually start being human beings, right? Like being present, being um that balance that we need. And so.
00:17:45
Speaker
Yeah. but the The saying that I use all the time, we all hear that hurt people hurt people, but I also believe healed people heal people. And so the more people we can do this work is it spreads, right? Yep. Yeah. when so I was just listening this morning to a book, this guy, Chase Jarvis.
00:18:03
Speaker
never play it safe. And it it seems like, I'm not sure if you you've heard about that, but he was interviewed on Rich Roll um promoting his book. And it seems like it had a similar delivery of the content of the message as to what I saw on the website. So it might be something to think about listening to, but it seemed like you know hitting on a lot of the same stuff and yeah, go out and swing big. But you know then how do you how do you hold it all together with the other are parts of our lives that you know that we hold dear?
00:18:32
Speaker
Yeah, no, definitely check that out. Yeah. And I think that's the hard part for us too, is like for as men and in a modern culture is like, we, we have to put so much emphasis on oh creating that money and that paycheck. And that and there's so much pressure that we get so easy to get out of life balance. Right. and And now our wives, you know, are out there in the workforce doing everything as much as we are. And how do we balance that?
00:18:57
Speaker
How can we show up and so support them the way they need to support it? Because the woman of the 1950 is a much different version than the woman of 2024. But a lot of times with men, we're not really playing a different game. We're trying to show up the same way. And I think that's where there's a lot of disconnection going on.
00:19:15
Speaker
Yeah. So speaking of that disconnection, why, um, I mean, there's so much noise between social media, can't even speak social media, uh, and just everyone telling us who we're supposed to be and who are not supposed to be right. Cause that's a big portion of this as, as men is like, Oh, don't be that way. That's, that's too masculine or that's, that's.
00:19:36
Speaker
too dominating and and whatnot. And one of one of the questions I think i I had in there is, I think men, um men, we we fight like these thousand unseen battles is what I call it. We're basically, we're constantly in our heads. um if If you're in your head, um you're you're constantly trying to be ah enough, but not too much. And and I kept having these these contradictions, like you want to be honest,
00:20:02
Speaker
but not controlling, right? You wanna be strong, but not too sensitive, right? Like there's there's these balances and and I'm not even gonna speak to what a woman has to deal with either. I'm not trying to compete with that. um But why why do you think this is so relevant and and maybe receptive, men being receptive to this right now? Why why do you think ah people need to hear this message more?
00:20:26
Speaker
Well, I think like masculinity has been under attack for a very long time and and as it should be, there's been a lot of bad apples, you know, that the feminine movement was not just something that needed to happen. It had to happen. and They had to because of there being, you know,
00:20:42
Speaker
suppressed and so I think that's the other part but the the thing about it is that the men like us sitting here having these conversations we aren't talking about leading from our heads and power and ego we lead from our hearts and that's the difference so if we have a masculine leading from their heart they're gonna know how to step in that power to protect and be strong when it is but also know and to be loving and nurturing and that's the big difference. And I think we are taught as young men to suppress those emotions, to be strong, don't cry. So it immediately makes us lead from our heads and not from our hearts. And so
Parenting and Emotional Intelligence
00:21:19
Speaker
any of anyone out there that is raising young men, we need to be really cautious of what we're programming into them, because those are going to be very difficult things to rewire later in life. Because I think all the whole three of us sitting here right now, I've all had to rewire that at some point, you know,
00:21:37
Speaker
Yeah, one of my greatest life challenges and and opportunities and blessings ah fully believe is that you know I was blessed with an amazing wife and work partner, life partner on so many levels. We've challenged each other and you know her coming from a you know a teaching background and really so you know valuing stability and consistency and launching on this journey with with me right before we had our first child, which was a girl and our second child was a girl. And so I've been surrounded by all of this female energy And I'll tell you, it doesn't feel like a lot of the time it's been natural. Like I'm just an obvious girl dad. um But all that to say, I still have amazing relationships with my daughters. I haven't treated them um in probably a lot of traditional ways that that we're taught to treat our daughters. They do really hard things in the outdoors and find a tremendous amount of ah personal value and identity in that.
00:22:31
Speaker
And I feel really good about it. And selfishly, you know, now my freshman in college comes home and does awesome things with me and wants me to go ski with her and go on adventures. And she wants to bring her friends home to expose them to adventures. And so, um but again, it has not come easy. It has not been graceful. I don't think it's been anything even close to elegant, but it's been one of those challenges I look at now and go, what a gift to, you know, force me into outside of my comfort zone and what's all natural and programmed and constantly like, OK, where is that balance between let's do hard things and celebrate that and not say, oh, that's that's not meant for girls. But on the other hand, you know, in those moments where those emotions are are welling up and they're telling me how it is, you know, how do I how do I, you know, but give it space? But also like we still got to get up there. So I don't know. Let's work through this, get up there and then we're going to probably be pretty psyched.
00:23:23
Speaker
Yeah, so true. It's so funny. I'm ah very similar. I have two daughters as well. And at one point, I had my two daughters, my wife was in the house, and even my cat was female. So I couldn't there's like, house was the only testosterone around. And Um, but it was interesting because we are, my daughters are actually 10 years apart until we had this beautiful COVID surprise of a daughter that we didn't expect. But during that process, we actually thought she was going to be a little boy. And that time I had to really start thinking and processing, what does that look like for me?
00:23:57
Speaker
to parent a young boy versus a daughter. So I figured I had the daughter thing out through pretty well. right And so it was actually kind of a scary time for me, but it really started me thinking about how I'd have to show up differently depending on the gender of my children. And I think that's something we need to be cautious of. We can't yeah we can't play the same game with both kinds of children. you know Right. And I've even found I can't play the same kind of game with, with two, two girls, you know, two people of the same gender, you know, like all those motivations and, and whatnot. But yeah, I couldn't imagine I've, I've coached, um, skiing in some capacity for the last 30 years and built ah a program, you know, that's really unique and and something that I, I'm just, I feel so great to be a part of.
00:24:39
Speaker
Um, and, uh, it is something that I reflect on a lot with, you know, we talk about the knucklehead boys and the, you know, the girl energy and it's, it's unique, it's different. And how do we, you know, bring that all together and allow them, you know, that opportunity out there and these wild, beautiful, you know, cold, steep, soft snow places and, uh, use that as a, you know, as a playground to to have bigger conversations and figure stuff out about each other has been.
00:25:03
Speaker
a really, really fun opportunity for me to, as I've said, when I was ski coaching a high school team and I was still in college, it's like, I'm grateful all these parents let me experiment on their kids far before I have my own. I've got a lot to learn here. Yeah. Yeah. I love that.
00:25:20
Speaker
Well, Chris, as we look, I mean, shoot, we're already tail end of November. What's 2025 look like for you? What are, ah what are some big targets that you have and and maybe what are some things that all of us can be present with as we look to the new year?
00:25:36
Speaker
Yeah, for me, it's big goals for next year's. We're hoping to launch this new program by mid-December, mid to late December. So we're getting really close for that. um So that's a big thing is to get that start onboarding guys. I played a but pretty big role that I'll be part of this. I'm like the sales team and the coach. So I got a lot to cover.
00:25:57
Speaker
But I'm used to wearing're wearing a lot of hats. That's just a part of the entrepreneurial spirit, right? So that's a big one and really just kind of keep expanding my social media, on my Instagram page and just keep bringing up topics that we're not having. And so um I'm hoping to kind of transition to that and some presentations. hopefully for companies and large groups. I want to talk and hear more about that. So those are those are the the big goals for next year is really how how can I get in front of more and more people to start talking about this, making these normal conversations in men's lives. And not just men's life, family lives, women's lives too. yeah
00:26:34
Speaker
Well, I think, uh, yeah, I think that's something to be, to be focused on too, right? There is, is we're talking about men's lives, but, uh, as family men, you know, it's, it's steering a generation, right? Like we're talking about raising our kids, right? Well, it's, it's our duty. That's our jobs, you know, if we look at it that way. And so I think, uh, the impact that we can have on men, um, lead into the spouses to the children and generations. And
Long-term Relationships and Trust
00:27:02
Speaker
then, you know, as you guys talking about raising daughters.
00:27:05
Speaker
I have just the one son. And I think about that, like that he's going to be brought up in a generation with your daughters out there. And I want to make sure that he's doing what he needs to do. And we're not going to be perfect, but hopefully, you know, I laid some of the foundations to, uh, to treating women the right way, to treating himself and caring about himself the right way and, and, uh, to be just part of, uh, society and community that way. So.
00:27:30
Speaker
Yeah. You always had this pretty deep emotional conversations with a lot of your guy friends. so I know you're having those with your son, which will really give him quite the edge and he starts the dating life for sure. Yeah. Well, I i think, ah yeah, to that point, I think I've been just an open book. You know, I tried to be, um I think often it's too hard to to try to keep things all bottled up. Like then I internalize them too much and it boils and it turns into something that it shouldn't be. And so,
00:27:59
Speaker
I think you know with you, Chris, over the years, with Ben now, you know ah especially as we're remote, this is my human interaction right here. um like i want to It should be more than just work. right like I think that impacts the whole person you know and so sharing and and why would I expect you to open up if I don't? you know and so I've been pretty transparent ah with what I work through and what I'm dealing with.
00:28:26
Speaker
over the years, uh, good and pretty bad throughout the years. Uh, I'm still here, so I'm not going anywhere. well Yeah. That's one thing I really, really appreciate seeing is, you know, over the years, I've heard a lot of my friends, you know, other agency owners and entrepreneurs like, I don't know, man, I kind of feel like at the five year mark, it's probably just best for that employee to move on. It's probably best for everybody to.
00:28:53
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Say, Hey, this is, you know, we got out of this what we need and, and, and cut them loose. And I'll tell you every year that passes and seeing, you know, again, I'd mentioned our, our, our technology director being with us since 2001, like two months after I started the company, uh, you know, Oh, three for our next developer, my wife and Oh five. And then our, our programmer, uh, Michael and Oh nine.
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And then as as Simon coined the phrase, our our newest lifer ah since 2020 is boy, that the what what a cool thing to stack so much of our experience together in life and to see you guys kind of reconnect here and and share those stories like that foundation of trust and connection over the long haul is something too that I'm um really starting to appreciate you know a whole lot more as the years tick by. So it's just been a treat to be a part of this podcast with the two of you and and you know see all that trust and and hear how you're evolving, Chris, because this is yeah it's a long journey. It's nice to be on on this thing with with people that you care about. Yeah, I agree with
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you, and I really appreciate you guys giving me the time and and the spot to kind of talk about what I'm up to. so Well, as our as our listeners hear this, Chris, shameless plug, how how can someone get ahold of you? How can they find out more information about what you're talking about?
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Yeah, best one for me is just on Instagram, just c.andresin.54. That's me. So most of my content's going on there. I'm going to expand to some other ones, but right
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awesome well as always I appreciate you guys ah joining in and listeners if you have any questions or want to reach out about topics make sure you email us at web well at cascade