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Described as a “combination of Patty Griffin grit and Amy Winehouse grace” by American Songwriter, Portland-based Soul/Americana singer-songwriter Karyn Ann has been charming audiences across the US with her powerful vocals and emotive lyricism. Her debut album Into the Depths (2015) and subsequent follow-up Be Loud (2018) garnered critical acclaim and radio play, leading this once geologist now turned-road musician to gain a steady following along the West Coast and beyond.
She’s shared stages with Haley Johnson, Liam St. John, and Fox and Bones, as well as Emily Saliers of the Indigo Girls (at the 2017 Women’s Redrock Music Festival), and has performed at the legendary Bitter End in NYC . Her work is featured in the award-winning full-length film Undeserved (2016), and most recently in the indie-short Second Story (2022), which went on to win the “Gold Award for Best Acting Duo” by the Independent Shorts Awards, and ‘Best Romantic Short” by the IndieX Film Fest.
In 2020 she was selected for the Falcon Ridge Folk Festival Emerging Artist showcase, and placed runner-up in the Red Lodge Songwriters Contest and TOP 100 in the Great American Songwriting Contest singer-songwriter category. Her 2021 self-produced EP - “I Am Not Yours” was featured on Hare’s Paw Literary Journal, and received positive reviews. Karyn's newest work is an EP titled “Consequence of Fear."
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Introduction and Early Inspirations
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You are listening to Something Rather Than Nothing. Creator and host, Ken Vellante. Editor and producer, Peter Bauer. This is Ken Vellante with the Something Rather Than Nothing podcast and very pleased to present artist, musician, Karen Ann. Karen Ann, welcome to Something Rather Than Nothing.
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Hello. My cat must have heard his ears burning because he just jumped onto the bed. Prior to this listener's short conversation that cats do make appearances on the show.
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Dogs, not as much. Karen Ian was concerned about the dog bark and would accept that wholeheartedly. And the cat, of course, which cats are wont to do, move in on the territory once announced.
Music as Expression and Catharsis
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So Karen Ian, let's start with a bigger, like, you as an artist question. When did you see yourself as an artist?
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I think since I was five, I mean, I didn't know it at the time, but I have videos of me at an elementary school. I was always singing and I was always sort of the creative type. And I would say probably
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you know, around my teen years where I really just fell in love with artists like Sarah McLaughlin and Alanis Morissette and Sean Coven and Show Crow. I just got to the point where I just really wanted to write songs and
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mostly to write songs, to be able to express myself. I've always been kind of like a little bit shy and have a difficult time sometimes articulating my thoughts or opinions. And so I've always felt like I've been able to deliver that more in song than I am.
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just with like plain words because there's something about singing words that you can emote a little bit more for me. And so, yeah, I just got into high school, picked up the guitar. And once I learned my first few chords, I was like, I'm writing songs. This is what I'm doing. And just kept at it.
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Kept doing it all through college and grad school. Um, and just, you know, I went to grad school for geology, so I have a master's in geology. I studied rocks. Yay. Um, and, uh, but I just, I kept going back to
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music and it's sort of just been something that's in me that if I didn't do it, I don't know what, how I would be.
Art, Nature, and Musical Influences
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I'd probably be a lot more anxious because it's a really good cathartic exercise for me. So yeah.
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That's it, right? Pick up that guitar. I do it because I have to do it. Yeah. I heard some of the names you mentioned and they kind of sparkle my mind. Sean Colvin, Sarah McLaughlin. I saw her once at Newport Folk Festival live and oh my gosh, it was just like,
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earth shattering to see her, but a lot of musicians around that time in that period have been particularly important for me, female singer-songwriters, Sinead O'Connor, I think of Suzanne Vega, and I just love that.
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that folk alt vibe. So, all right, so you making music and I think I hear you too, as far as helping you get through things, process things and communicate. I wanted to ask you again, one of the bigger conceptual questions, you're tilted this way and you create music. What is art? What do you think art is in your interaction? Art? I think art is
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Well it's two, I think it's two ways. Art is anything that someone does and creates based on a feeling or an opinion. I think it's very wide ranging. And then also art can also be, doesn't necessarily have to be something that, um,
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Something something somebody created I think you could be out just walking as a person and I think it's could be anything that inspires what creates inspiration like You could be walking and just looking at a flower. So nature is art to me
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I think it's very wide ranging and it can be many of things. If it connects to you, I think in the Grin scream, yeah, it's like anything that you connect to and helps you connect to other people and just creates sort of this feeling that you might not get otherwise.
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Yeah, there's a connection. A lot of times I feel in the terms of the, of, um, of connection. Where did, uh, you, you got a beautiful soulful voice.
Pandemic Creativity and New Releases
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How did these develop that? Where's it come from? Anytime you talking about soul and talking about the depth of the voice, where's, where's that, where's that coming from?
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That's just, it's just coming from years and years of singing. Um, people I listened to growing up, you know, um,
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I listened, I like to attribute a lot of my singing, like the gumption in my singing to Michael Bolton. I listened to a lot of Michael Bolton growing up. And he just had one of those voices that like, he just went for those notes. And I am always, I've always been drawn to those types of voices that
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they'll go that extra 5% to just hit that note, just do it. And it might not always sound great, but there's just an emotion that goes with it. It's the goosebumps.
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sets off the goosebumps and yet it makes your hair on the back of your neck stand up. It's all those types of feelings that like you just feel it inside. Yeah. So yeah. And like my soul, I mean, also I think some of my soulful voice came from, um, just
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listening to a mixture of different artists. I really love old blues, like B.B. King, and I can't really name all of them right now, but I have this one really cool vinyl that's
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I can't remember. It's BB King and another guy and it's a lively thing. Yeah. And it's just like, you're just like, Oh, you know, it pulls up the heartstrings and, um, people like Bonnie rate, Susan Tedeschi, um, sort of that old blues soul sound. Um,
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I loved that stuff, not to jump in, but my dad's a big blues guy and they love a lot of blues and soul. So like for me growing up, that was around some funk too, some rock, but it was that blues and souls, that voice. I think that my dad really young age connected with the blues and the sound and just kind of that expression of the blues getting down with that.
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So I was kind of steeped in that early on, and a lot of the names you mentioned just, yeah, there's a nice feel, there's a nice feel in that. Yeah, I'm just really one of those, when I hear something, like St. Paul and the Broken Bones, it's got this Sam Cooke,
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vibe to his voice where you're just like, how is this guy, how is this guy singing like that? And like, it's just, I don't know. I don't know how to describe it. It's sort of an indescribable feeling. It just, it's just the feeling is how you know it's there.
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I want to let I want to let folks know we're going to have some Karen Karen and music, you know, during later on in the episode. But tell us what tell us what you're
Societal Challenges and Radicalization
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up to. You got some some some new music going on. You're busy. Tell us all about what you're up to right now.
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Yeah, so during most of the pandemic, I really got into playing producer and started recording demos in my room. And I wrote and produced, recorded an EP that I released in 2021 of a bunch of poems by this poet.
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So I released that. And then since then, I've been working on other demos of some songs that I wrote that are sort of all under the umbrella of fear. And my first single that's going to come out is going to come out on May 5th. And the title of the song, as well as the EP that it's going to be a part of, is called The Consequence of Fear.
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And all the songs just, I don't know, it was pandemic time and I was just doing a lot of reflecting both personally as well as like sort of societal reflection of what was going on. Sure.
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the song Consequence of Fear is sort of me grappling with the uncomfortability and feeling like I often feel afraid to say my opinion, especially if it's like not the most popular opinion. Sure, not always easy to do.
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And also struggling with being able to articulate my feelings as I mentioned earlier, like sometimes I have an opinion and I'll articulate it and it will come out wrong or not as like I intended and I will be misunderstood. And a lot of the times, yeah, I just feel,
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Like I get anxious that I can't just like say what I'm thinking. And then the times that I have just like said what I'm thinking, it comes out wrong and people form an opinion and so forth. So the opening lines of the song are sort of, it's called a, they go, scared to hurt you with my words so I don't say much.
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And the chorus in turn is just the consequence of fear. It keeps steel on the wheel. Yeah. And so yeah, all the songs are about, yeah, fear. And I think that's a very universal emotion that will resonate with a lot of people.
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And like I said, it's personal fear, but it's also like sort of the state of society. There's another song that's called Big Money Deep Pockets that I'm working on.
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that's sort of all-encompassing of everything that's been going on the last three years with COVID, with global warming, with Black Lives Matter. Massive wealth concentration. Massive wealth. That is offensive and shocking and fearful. And politics. Yeah.
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like women's rights and trans rights and just the ability to be a liar in the public eye and
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having that not be okay, but like just having it be like a thing. That's just like, oh, I guess we're just going to let liars just, you know, go forth and, you know, the reality is too, too, too harsh. And the strong fiction to believe is like, it's such a, it's such a, it's such a difficult thing to manage. I think sometimes in some of those issues, I was just walking just today, just like over to supermarket and
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Well, my head goes different ways, but I was thinking about like the sheer statistics of concentration of wealth to like, you know, 1% of people in this world. And it's like we're owned like everybody's owned by like a small fraction of people, like resources, land, all this type of thing. And I'd be like, like, what's the tipping point for folks and be like, yo, like they have all the shit that's in the world. Like they got everything. And there's like, you know, we're still kind of.
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I don't know. It's an odd thought, but it's just kind of like we're still just kind of buzzing around or something. I mean, there's more, there's people who have so much money that they don't even know how much money they have. And like, then you've got people who have no money and don't and like have like completely lost, like just so many things. And it's,
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I don't know. There just needs to be some sort of change. And I often feel, you know, I have opinions, but the problem or the issues are so big that it's like, how do you, how do we like even attempt to change, to like make the change, you know, when
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We can't just make the small changes that are like lower. It's like, does change come at the top and go down or does change come from the bottom and come up? And I don't know. I'm just saying a bunch of things. No, no, I'm thinking, I think about this. I think about this all the time as, as an organizer and I'd say for myself and my own personal beliefs.
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I work in a collective, so those folks who I serve are those folks, when it comes to my own belief, particularly since the pandemic, wrestling and becoming deeply radicalized on indigenous issues and understanding of polluted colonial thinking in my head, querying up the ideas of my own history around race, screwing around with expectations of how I should deal with
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mental illness or dealing with mental issues and talking about those things as a male. So I've like, I was like, around the pandemic, we're talking pandemic stuff, I came out of it completely radicalized and not sharing in basic things that I think other people share in. And it's kind of like, I feel good about it. But sometimes it's tough to, you know, to figure it out if
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If we believe that the structure of things is kind of a bill of goods, right? And I come to the conclusion personally that it is, then it's like, you know, what do you do? And my basic thing in my head is it's not refined, but is rejection and usurping and smashing old idols is like, I mean, I know it's not exact, but that's where my head is. Well, it's like, you mentioned like a radicalization. It's like.
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I tend to see the advantages and disadvantages of the whole idea of being radicalized. It's good in the sense that
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you know people are like gung-ho about it and everyone's like yeah we can't stand this but at the same time the opposite side of the coin of that is like we've become radicalized in so many ways that like we become really dismissive
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And it's like, you know, having like, you know, like opposites, like viewing things in black and white versus like the gradation. And so like, I mean, that's, that's where politics are. Not that I like pay attention to much in politics, but like, I feel like if you, and this sort of goes back to what I was saying about my opinion is like,
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Um, take like a gun issue for, for example, you know, like people are like, we need stricter gun laws. And I'm like, yeah, I mean, yeah, we do. And so like, like, to me, that's, but that's like a generalized statement. Sure. Whereas like,
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you know, the opposite side of that is like mental illness. And like, I just, I just want there to be more acceptance of people being like, yeah, I agree with that. But here's my like little caveat to your overarching thing. You know what I mean? Like your overarching point. Yeah. Yeah. No, and I think you're right. I mean, it's in sort of in the sense of like,
Themes of Fear in Music
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But again, on that too, I pull it down to myself, and this is a personal reflection, which is odd because I'm involved in a collective, but the personal reflection is that
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the categories of which the discourse happens for so many people isn't satisfactory. Maybe if it's a Democratic position or Republican position in an American context, that there's this feeling that there's not grappling with a deeper issue. And on the thing of the polarization, I've always had this odd characteristic that I'd never
00:21:00
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knowing how to resolve is i am unafraid of conversation and i will go right into the thickets and talk directly. To folks.
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I know completely don't believe anything I'm in accord with and I have this strange like piece in that. And for me, it's not, it's not to support. I know where I stand in general, but there's something like where I'm driving to find out how is this person existing? What, how are they interacting with the world that is so radically different? And it's not like to change the world and everything, but I've always been fascinated. And I've had conversations with folks and it brought me to their side. I've talked to the strangest.
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some bad people and talking, but it's more of like, how do you engage in conversation where you can disagree very deeply? And as a philosopher, I'm trained in doing it, disagree very deeply, but still move forward or do something. And I think I never, there's such a lack of that. I think that we see of like, okay, discourse, and then something else happens. It's like discourse, knife, fist, gun, separate.
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Yeah, yeah. It's like people like want to dismiss you if you don't agree with them. And just kind of like where I'm more of like, can't we just like have a conversation and then agree to disagree? And like still, you know, remember that we're all humans and all that, so.
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Yeah, I uh, so tell us more about uh, you're talking about the consequences here i've been i've been doing a lot of uh ghost stuff and I get uh a couple screen queens Uh comment on to this show so I do fear stuff and scary and horror stuff in this show and a whole bunch of things But now on this more subtle point the consequence of fear. I think it's an intriguing very intriguing title and just thinking about
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you know, when we fear things, what happens and how we respond to them, you know, reject them or tell us a little bit more about what you're going into with the consequence of fear. Yeah, I just, I mean, I just wanted to like, kind of
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I got more into writing more raw like raw type of lyrics as opposed to like more of my poetic lyrical lyrics and
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I just, I had just, when I wrote these songs, I was doing a lot of questioning. I had just moved and I had gone through a divorce and I had just a lot of thoughts in my head and I really came up with the line of consequence of fear.
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And I just thought that was a cool line. And I was like, I need to write a song about that. I need to write a song about the idea of, I think I actually wrote the line, I keep fearing the consequences. And then I flipped it in my head and I was like, the consequence of fear, the things that we decide to hold back because we're just afraid.
00:24:30
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or the things that we just don't confront. Yeah, I mean, I don't, the depth of it is pretty, I think it's open to a lot of interpretation, because you could take that term, that term, consequence of fear, and kind of put it in your head and think about
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your own things that have affected you.
00:25:10
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And as I said, the rest, the, the other songs, I have one song that's very, uh, it's called eight hours. That'll be my next single, but it's sort of the most raw song I've ever written and I won't go into it, but, um, it'll be out eventually.
00:25:34
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But I had a lot of fun recording the parts. It's sort of a big jump in style for me from previous releases that are more of like a pop rock ballad type.
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genre. These are a little more indie, indie rock, indie folk. And I think me questioning fear and thinking about fear, as well as transitioning to playing electric guitar and playing around with
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effects and synthesizers and all that kind of stuff just really went hand in hand with the subject material. Because I think I was in the exploration mode where you're doing something new and so there's a certain amount of uncertainty and fear that comes with that.
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So yeah, I just had a lot of fun.
Art as a Connector and Communicator
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I don't want to say I had fun, but I definitely kind of opened up a new door as far as
00:26:55
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Sonically for me. Yeah, and you describe and I gotta tell you I'm I'm excited to listen to and I remember the date of course is May 5th I'm actually gonna be on a an episode of podcast I'm super excited about where I learn about sunflowers. It's called rooted
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podcast. My favorite, uh, flowers, sunflowers. And, uh, she's going to tell me all about that. That'll be on May 5th. So we got, uh, sunflowers, we sprouting up, we got Karen and, uh, music coming out. I'm really excited, really excited to hear the pieces you're talking about developing and, uh, moving into a sonically, um, sound really appealing to me and hearing your voice and,
00:27:38
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within that. So really look forward to hearing that. We were talking a little bit about this when we're kicking around, you know, current events issues, what do we do about this? But the question within Connected to Art is the role of art. The role of art now, like amongst these type of things is
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Is the role of art change, is it more important because of maybe some of the issues we feel is intense issues right now or is it art's always been arting and doing what it's doing? What's the role of art? The role of art, man. I think the role of art is just to spread
00:28:25
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spread awareness, spread a message, spread connectivity between humans and even nature.
00:28:42
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I just think art is the original, the original language, I think. You know, before we had, before we had, you know, language, people drew pictures and like, they, they told, yeah, they, they drew pictures and like, that's depicted
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Like things, I mean, when you think of hieroglyphics, like those were shapes and like things that weren't like, you know, specific letters. Art and drawing are just like the beginning of communication, really.
00:29:31
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Yeah, I like that idea. Part of me, around the definition of art, there's something about art, though I can't explain it super succinctly, but it's something like...
00:29:46
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I'm going to show you this. It's like a showing. It's like a presentation. Look at this in this way. And it's like that type of event. And I love the energy of that and how artists tinker with that. Do you want me to throw you into the great universe or the great abyss as the question is, why is there something rather than nothing?
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Why is there something rather than nothing? Yeah, like why at all? Because of, I mean, if there was nothing, then like what would we be doing? I don't know. It just brings, it makes me think about,
00:30:41
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Never-ending story. People have said that before. My gosh. Yeah, never-ending story. I'm always saying there's other ways to answer this, but never-ending story comes up. Tell me.
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Well, I mean, the reason I bring this up is because like the fear of my song, fear of consequences, consequences of fear, I messed that up in my head, is like the way I describe it is Fleawood Mac mixes with never ending story.
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And you think about like the, the nothing that is like taking over the land and, um, I don't know something rather than nothing. Like, of course there's gotta be something. I don't know. If I didn't do anything in my own personal way, like if I didn't create art, then I really don't know what I would be doing. Like, um,
00:31:48
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I mean, I could be still working in volcanoes, but volcanoes to me are earth's art. I mean, art's in the word earth. You've seen that sticker, right? Yeah. I'm obsessed by volcanoes. I'm obsessed by volcanoes.
00:32:08
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That's what I studied. Oh, man. Well, I started to jump in. We got I had a science fiction author, Sasha Stronach, a few episodes back. Maori, a sci-fi writer from Wellington, New Zealand. And we I never dropped into volcano.
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conversation, but I was talking about Crater Lake, Mount Mazama, and just, I don't know, we were talking volcano stories. I was talking about, uh, indulge me. So when Mount St. Helens blew up out here in Washington, 1980, I was, so I'm 50. So I was eight years old out in Rhode Island. So when I saw the TV.
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Like, I was literally like, what planet is this on? Like, I'm just a city kid. I'm like, and then, you know, I don't know, somebody around me said that's the United States. It's a place called outside of Seattle or whatever. But I was it was it was science fiction. It was.
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movies it was something at the drive-in and So had that strong strong strong impact on me But anyways, it was really the first time in the show is able to talk about volcanoes and might just deep attraction to them and So, you know volcanoes as well, don't you Karen in?
Volcanoes and Personal Connections
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Yes
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I was a big geek in high school. I would make posters with pictures and hang them up on my wall. I thought, they're still fascinating to me. They're so cool.
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I always think one more volcano thing, there's a, I mentioned this in a couple episodes, there's a Werner Herzog documentary and it's a little bit tough to find, I think, but it's when there's this volcano is supposed to be exploding on an island, everybody leaves and him and the film crew go in and they document the nobody there, dogs running around, all this type of stuff. And the place didn't blow, but I'm like,
00:34:27
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Wow. What a conceit. People are leaving. You go in and document what happens next to the volcano. I forget the name of it. It was wild though. There was a, there's a really good, um, documentary on, um, Disney plus all about these two French, uh, volcanologists who sort of laid the foundation of, um, a lot of volcanic work as far as like,
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you know, the signs of an impending eruption and like gas readings and all that kind of stuff. Um, I just saw that trailer. Oh, did you see it? I just saw the trailer. I just saw the trailer. Yeah. It's good. Yeah. I enjoyed that. And I think the coolest thing is, um, we see the volcanoes that are present today.
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But there were volcanoes in the West Coast just as there are now that were there about 20, 20, 30 million years ago. Whoa. And without volcanoes, like the West Coast would be very, very different.
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Yeah. The Columbia River basalts, if you're ever walking around and you see a dark black rock, it's probably basalt. Wow.
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Karen and thank you. I mean, this is all volcano indulgence and this is volcano. This is volcano. I didn't send you that in the email. This is volcano friendly space that we have here. I'm going to look I'm going to watch that when I saw it there on on on Disney just recently a night or two ago. They had some beauty on Disney. They had some kind of like they were sound and
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fire and I was kind of watching those and then I saw the trailer with the couple there and I was like oh my gosh what is this and and so yeah I thanks thanks for the thanks for the indulgence and yeah some of the images in the documentary are really you're just like wow they're really really close yeah yeah I'm excited to I'm excited to check that out um
00:36:56
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Karen, I want you to tell the listeners where to find your stuff, find your music, find all the things that you have out and will have coming out in May.
00:37:13
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Yeah, sort of like the clearinghouse for, and the most easy way to find my music and info is at my webpage, which is KarenAnn.com, which is K-A-R-Y-N-A-N-N.
00:37:29
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Dot-com I know it's a horrible time to be a Karen, but at least I spell my name Karen with the Y Karen with the Y It's different if you go there Yeah, if you go there you can like you'll find my You can connect all my socials there my Spotify I got lots of music up on Spotify and more coming soon and I
00:37:56
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One thing I will say is I also have a Patreon account. I'm up on that. I don't know if you... Oh, are you? Yeah. If I'm not, I'll correct that right after this interview.
00:38:11
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But I have a Patreon and I have a bunch of unreleased demos and stuff that I've posted up there. I think I have over 30 demos of songs and videos. For a while I was doing some really fun videos of me reading my journals from high school.
00:38:31
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Dang and that's a firewall about yeah and talking about like my time that I went to Lilith fair and
00:38:46
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Yeah, I have got a lot of poems, all that kind of stuff. But yeah, it's just a support-based platform. And you get access to early stuff. And you can donate from $1 to $50. And I also make jewelry out of guitar strings. And there's a link to that on my web page as well.
00:39:16
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It's called Museful PDX. And the tagline is, go make yourself Museful. I like it. It sounds like if we did, you're just telling us to just keep following these threads. I knew this would happen. I mean, you know, we're talking to Karen and we're going to talk about music. We're going to talk about the soulful voice. We're going to talk about volcanoes. We're going to talk about how to heck you can navigate politics at present. Yeah. And in guitar string jewelry.
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Yeah, the guitar the jewelry I make is sort of my way to connect my love of rocks and crystals and you know volcanic my volcanic studying of the past to my music Yeah, well, thank you for your time in and I think you can probably anticipate if I want to I
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cut into the ground of volcanology and such within the show. I would just tell you up ahead, I'm going to use you as a first correspondent and resource for that material. Yeah, I'll send you a link to a couple of my publications.
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Oh, man, you know what? You know what this gets into, too, is like the different lives we had. And, you know, I wrote my master's thesis about working third shift in a a dwindling Rhode Island grocery outfit.
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And I studied the leverage buyout that destroyed the working class. So, yeah, prior publications, I
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anything send along to me. I, uh, uh, that, that explosion when I was eight years old, uh, of Mount St. Helens fried something deep in my brain, which makes me feel good. Anytime I see it again. We'll look at some of the videos of Mount Pentatubo as well. Thank you. Thank you. We'll post some of these links here. Yeah. Yeah.
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Um, Karen, and thank you so much. Really excited. Check out on your new music, uh, coming out and, um, hope to catch you, uh, hope to catch you live, uh, sometime soon. Yeah. I'll let you know if I'm down. I don't know. I guess you're all over the place. I'm all over the place. As long as you stick around Oregon, I'll try to, I'll, I'll find you soon. Yeah. Awesome. Well, thanks for having me. Thanks, Karen. And talk soon.
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Yeah, don't say
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This is something rather than nothing.