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160. Former Brigham Young University Basketball Coach Tim LaComb
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In this episode, Tim LaComb takes us behind the scenes of one of the most memorable eras in BYU basketball — and reminds us that the real legacy of sports isn’t found in banners, but in becoming the kind of person others trust, love, and respect.
Listen to the full episode now and discover how integrity and goodness create greatness that outlives the game.
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Hosted by Dustin Smith & Shad Martin
Produced by Shad Martin and IMAGINATE STUDIO
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Introduction and Podcast Overview
00:00:01
Speaker
Welcome to the Especially for Athletes podcast, where we explore essential principles that empower athletes to learn life's most valuable lessons through sports.
00:00:16
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Hi, everybody. Thank you for
Guest Introduction: Coach Tim Lacombe
00:00:17
Speaker
joining us on the Especially for Athletes podcast. I'm Dustin Smith here with Shad Martin, as usual. And our special guest today wears a lot of hats, including the the beanie that he's wearing right now. He's got his his guitar ah rocker look going on right now. But coach, I still think of you as coach. Coach Tim Lacombe. Coach, thanks for joining us.
00:00:37
Speaker
Well, and I think of you as a legend, the number of young lives you've touched, not, you know, on the field, but off. And, you know, everybody, you and I haveve never actually met in person. I don't think we've always just kind of talked to each other virtually.
00:00:52
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um But I've always had an eye on what y'all are doing. I've loved your podcasts. And um I am really honored, honestly, that you'd have time have time for me on your show.
Tim's Coaching Journey and BYU Experience
00:01:03
Speaker
Well, Tim, I know Shad and I are both, we love basketball and I love listening to you, that your your analysis of basketball, not just the X's and O's, but a lot of other layers to you. And the one I find most interesting, we're going to get into a little bit later in the podcast is kind of what you've done, you know, the last several years with an interest and a hobby that's now turned into something you're very passionate about and We're going to talk about that a little bit later because I'm jealous of you. and we We had a long conversation on the phone about that. But um everybody, Coach Tim Lacombe coached it with the University of Utah for a little bit. um
00:01:43
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and Yeah, so basically um i went High school, there was a journey in high school early on, or excuse me, in college early on. I worked at the University of Utah as a student. um I wanted to be a coach until I worked for Rick Majerus. And then I rethought that thought because it was like, i don't know if I can be that mean. We could do a whole podcast. Yeah, that will be like,
00:02:04
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outtakes Oh man, the stuff I've talked to Judkins about and, and with, with Jeff, Jeff and Britton Johnson about, especially Britton about, I mean, I just can't, my jaw drops when they tell me some of the stories of Rick Majerus. And I'm sure, you know, the the exact stories I'm talking about. Oh, a hundred percent. I can tell them just as good. And honestly, the two guys you just mentioned, two the sweetest, best humans on the planet,
Role with Utah Jazz and Youth Programs
00:02:28
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uh, used to room with Juddy on the road. yeah,
00:02:31
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And, you know, one day we were walking out of the hotel and he said, I was going to turn the TV off. And he said, why are turning the TV off? And I said, you know, he's like, what are you energy conscious? He said, that's a great way to keep the people out of here from stealing your stuff. I was like, Teddy, that's the craziest thing I ever heard. Let's turn the TV off.
00:02:50
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But yeah the cool part for me is I honestly, through my years, I've i've had so many cool experiences. So I was at Utah, that met all those guys. And then i actually went on my own, did some entrepreneurial stuff. um I moved back to Utah after a couple of years of that. And that's when I got involved at Lone Peak.
00:03:07
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um I was there for three years, then American Fork for three years. And then from American Fork, I met Ray Jacoletti at the University of Utah, and he had me come back. And so i was at the same place working for a much different personality, one that was really congruent with how I wanted to do things in my life. So it gave me more hope.
00:03:26
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And so I was on the staff up there until Ray was let go. And upon his him being let go, Dave Rose reached out and um I interviewed at BYU. And he tells me to this day, he has
Personal Growth and Life After Coaching
00:03:38
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no idea how I made it through all that. ah Now that he knows me, he had 110 applicants and he did not really know me. The only time I ever met Dave was when he either beat us or we beat him going through the handshake line.
00:03:52
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um And you know there's there's a message to that. Maybe we can get into it. But I think you know my thing is that... um you know if you If you're out there and you're hustling and you got your head on a swivel, um you know the good Lord above sends signs and there are paths that you can get on. And you know ultimately you have to choose which path. But I was so fortunate then to go to BYU and work for the one of the greatest men, let's be honest. Everything he's been through, um what he did, you know, in his time at BYU, do with Dave Rose.
00:04:28
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And I walked off the court with him in 2019. I haven't been back. I won't. um But I've really enjoyed the last six years covering the jazz, doing pre, half and post for the jazz. And also now working for the jazz in the day. So my days are crazy, but I'm helping run youth um camps, clinics and combines for the Utah Jazz.
00:04:48
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Yeah, that's awesome, man. Actually, the the Junior Jazz is the largest um affiliated and NBA program in the league. um to Over 70,000 kids participate, which is pretty amazing on a ah yearly basis. And I'm in the camps and clinics. So we're actually then taking kids out of those programs and in our Bannon programs and in the off time trying to teach them a few skills, running camps,
00:05:12
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with certain purposes, defense, offense, team, cohesion, so things like that. And we're rolling that out and then just, it's going to be really fun. Awesome.
00:05:23
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I believe you said in 2019 is when you stepped away from coaching at BYU. Is that right? Yes. and Okay. um And you you said something that I want to touch on. You mentioned that you're not going to go back to coaching. are used you're You're certain about that, huh?
00:05:40
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I am. I really, it was awesome. And it was, ah you know, it was a great opportunity to compete at the highest level, ah you know, of the college game.
00:05:53
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I'm really proud, not just of what we did, but. You know, like I'm i'm going to Jimmer Fredette's jersey retirement um this weekend, having
Commercialization and NIL Impact on Sports
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dinner with him.
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You know, there's a big dinner for him tonight. And then at the game on Saturday, there they're going to actually retire his jersey. And I actually walked in the door the same year Jimmer did. He was just a kid from New York that had no idea.
00:06:22
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what his life was about to become in the next couple of years. And so to me, honestly, i scratched that itch. i I saw the winds of NIL coming down the the road.
00:06:34
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And, you know, I think commercialization of youth sports, one of our biggest issues we got going. And it's only getting more so now um as guys are paying just the right to talk to kids in high school. um And so it's I saw that coming down the road and and why I honestly I love basketball.
00:06:53
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But my motto in my life is people are the secret sauce. um And, you know, it doesn't matter if if I go to the local Maverick, you know, ah one of the common phrases is to ask the person genuinely, how's your day today?
00:07:09
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You know? And so when when when basketball moved away from the relationship part, it kind of lost me.
00:07:20
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Yeah. I appreciate you saying that, uh, Tim, cause that's, uh, that's definitely an issue that is barreling down like an avalanche right now on amateur and youth sports. And it's, uh, it's got its claws in its fingers and and it's, you know, it's web, it's it's creeped into a lot of things already.
00:07:41
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Um, but like you said, it's, it's, we're just, unfortunately, I think seeing the beginning of what is, uh, it's going to be to an end to a lot of youth sports. You know, there's a lot of in the youth baseball world now, uh,
00:07:56
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it's, it's almost gone. Those days of playing with the guys in your neighborhood, you know, and it's, if you're not part of a club team or a travel team or a very, you know, competitive AAU team, if you're not training year round, if you don't have private trainers, you know, if you're not doing the strength and speed and power training and all these things, course, psychologists, mental health, all the stuff now. And it and I think,
00:08:20
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What used to be, well, we want them and a chance to go to college and a dream of playing in college and and all this. It's the money thing changes everything because it, and not just a little bit of money.
00:08:32
Speaker
What was a conversation when you got out, right? Or 10 years ago about, yeah, but college kids should, they shouldn't have to, only be able to survive on ramen noodles and crackers, right? Like you should have something, which everybody agreed with. Which everybody agreed with. and Agreed with, yep. Yeah, absolutely.
00:08:51
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Now it's, but nowhere in the million years did I think we were going to go from Hey, they're getting their education paid for and they deserve to be able to have enough to survive and eat. And, and, and I think they should have had insurance benefits. There's the damage their bodies go through while they're making the school's money. There were, but all of a sudden it went from nothing to what it is now where you're making life changing money.
00:09:16
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for the rest of your life, right? You, you, you play four years in college, some of the, and a lot of these guys, and they're like, they're set, you know, we're talking millions and millions and millions of dollars. And so I want to go back because I've had this conversation with Ty Detmer and he and Jimmer for dead are the two that I think we could be awesome to, you know, I know they've been asked about this a million times, but you watch the Jimmer ah Guy didn't get paid, made a lot of money for a lot of people at BYU would have made unbelievable
Jimmer Fredette's Influence and Cultural Impact
00:09:46
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amounts of money. Him coming back to play that senior year. You imagine how much they would have been paying to get him. nice he was He was looking at the draft, right? He was looking at going out. So talk to us a little bit about Jimmer in particular,
00:09:59
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The process, the tension, how he managed that, the pressure that was on him. This was before social media was really a thing as well. But talk to us about that and how how did he manage that and how did you as a coach kind of help him? Because it was kind of foreign for everybody at the time, right? The social media thing was just kind of becoming a thing.
00:10:22
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Right. So, you know, to understand the Jimmer story, and I'll bring it all full circle, but you got to go all the way back to um his recruitment. And the irony is I was sitting office the University of Utah, and i the way I was able to get into college, because there wasn't a lot of money for what I was going to do.
00:10:42
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But the reason the the way I got in was I had another job that I could actually do, you know, ah anytime. And, you know, I was i was an art dealer, if believe it or not. I was selling art. So i I'd have conversations with people all over the world and talking about big public installations. And so I'd get, I'd put that, speaking of hats, I'd put that hat on for a while. um So I was in the office one day actually doing some art things and a guy poked his head around and he said, hey, have you seen ah Coach Giacoletti?
00:11:10
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And I said, I think he went to lunch. Can i help you? And he he said, ah his last name's Ferdette. And it was it was it was Al's brother and Jimmer's uncle who lived locally. And he's he said, I brought these tapes. I want you to look at my my nephew out in New York.
00:11:26
Speaker
And that was the first and only time I really heard his name. So were you the first were you the first to hear of Jimmer Ferdette in BYU? Yeah. No. So there's so there's a parallel path you're running with BYU too. So it's kind of interesting. But, you know, I think BYU was the destination they wanted to go all along because Al had gone and and loved his experience and thought it'd be neat for Jimmer.
00:11:48
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um And so right at that time, right about the time, maybe a week later, um I'm at lunch and learn with my daughter in the morning at kindergarten. And I get a text sent from Coach Giacoletti saying, meet at 11, we've been fired.
00:12:05
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So the very day, you know, so my world blows up. And then in the interim, in the next 30, 40 days is when I make contact or BYU actually makes contact with me. I wasn't ready to get back in because I was like, OK, now I just saw one of the best dudes ever trying to do it the right way to get fired. And, you know, so I don't know, maybe I can't do this. um And so my mind was all over the place, but I ended up going to BYU. And when I got there, one of the first meetings after being hired,
00:12:35
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looked up on the board, and there's that name, Fredette. So freshmen come in, I'm there for that. And, you know, nothing really stands out. He's a baller. mean, he loves to play.
Culture and Player Development at BYU
00:12:49
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um But he's a little out of shape, a little heavy, a little slow afoot, maybe, even. um And really, it was a practice his sophomore year. So that whole freshman year, we never started him one time.
00:13:03
Speaker
And I think the biggest point in what you guys do and what we're talking about, you know, all these things we talk about with where sports is going, the kids haven't done this. Right. So what we're talking about with the commercialization, this is a parent issue.
00:13:17
Speaker
And this was a perfect example, more than likely, knowing what they knew about Jimmer that we were still trying to learn. You know, as parents, they didn't go postal You know, they didn't send us emails or call and scream and yell or pout after a game.
00:13:35
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They handled it. And when Jimmer finished his freshman year, he came into coach's office with and with a list. And he opened it up, you know, pulled it out of his back pocket and unlaughted it.
00:13:47
Speaker
And it it said, basically, number one, um I want to coach, I want to do what it takes to be your point guard this year.
00:13:56
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um You know, give me the three or four things I need to be able to do to get on the floor. It was all about, you know, not what have you done to me, but what what do I got to do to gain the trust? Yeah.
00:14:09
Speaker
And then it really just from there at Snowball, I think he and Coach were on the same page, what they which they had to be, because I can tell you this, I've been around a lot of college coaches. Yeah. And not many would have allowed Jimmer to do what he did.
00:14:23
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mean, just by virtue of, you know, the range and some of the shots. But like coach understood and they had that relationship. So there was that magic there. And coach then, you know, blessed it. And then the next step had to be the players.
00:14:37
Speaker
You know, they had to buy in. So fast forward sophomore year, junior year, he just continues to get better. We played San Diego State. in In San Diego at halftime, I think we're down 14 or 15.
00:14:50
Speaker
Kawhi Leonard's a big, hot name that's rising up the board, you know. um And Jimmer in the second half goes crazy, ends up scoring 26, I think, and we win.
00:15:02
Speaker
Kawhi Leonard's asked you about him for the first time after the game, and he's like I even know who that is, right? um And then, obviously, Twitter, everything starts to evolve. And as you said, it's the first real viral moment for BYU.
00:15:17
Speaker
And it was everywhere. I mean, it was on yeah ESPN. They were talking about him on SportsCenter. You know, they were having him on after games. Kevin Durant was tweeting about him.
00:15:28
Speaker
It really got a life of its own. And then as we traveled that last year, It was like, I mean, I have never traveled with the Beatles. I've been with the party hounds. And we we draw a crowd, but not quite like that.
00:15:40
Speaker
um but But it was like traveling with the Beatles. And we literally had to figure out, you know, on commercial buses, the rear entrance to be able to... You know, so have everybody start getting off and cause a commotion and get him out the back. And like, ah it was crazy.
00:15:56
Speaker
um But the reason it worked is because the culture was set perfect for it. The other guys were good with it. Coach gave him, you know, what he needed to do it. I think Jackson Emery is the unsung hero.
00:16:08
Speaker
Yeah. I joke all the time that he was the the head of that fearless 1-3 zone we played because Jimmer was on the other end, not, you know, resting to be able to get a shot off on the other end. So typically it's a 2-3, but, you know, it was a 1-3. And Jax covered both sides. So in my mind, looking back on it, best group of dudes and really ah an environment where Jimmer could flourish.
00:16:34
Speaker
And the greatness of the Jimmer then took off and and everybody loved it. Was he was he yeah ever taken back by it? did he ever show but Did it ever become too much for him? He seemed like he handled it like he almost knew it was coming. I never really saw, at least my memory of it, it was he never really saw the deer in the headlights look when he started to get all that attention.
00:17:03
Speaker
No, in fact, it was almost as if you know we had to be the ones saying, because he would, if there were 50 kids there, he'd sign 50 kids things you know early on. there were 75, he'd sign all 75.
00:17:15
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He's just that guy. But I think why he's able to perform at such pressure moments is he's so... comfortable all the time in his own skin, so confident in what he can do.
00:17:27
Speaker
And so, you know, he's given the opportunity, he goes and and does it. But, you know, the thing that ah through that whole senior year, the sweet 16, the drama with, you know, the end of the season, but the thing that stands out to me the most, and and it's really when it hit me, how special this kid is.
00:17:45
Speaker
We played a game for him. And we played it back in Glens Falls, New York. And it was freezing cold out there. And we played Vermont.
00:17:58
Speaker
And um we played in a, what i looked like almost a miniature Boston garden. I got to go in the old Boston garden. I was a missionary in Boston. And so I got to go in it back in the day.
00:18:11
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and it was, it reminded me of that, the way it was set up. It's on a smaller scale. and And there just seemed to be so much history in the place. um I typically, my job that year was to go out and and I, you know, I'd have five guys, I'd warm up and Jimmer was one of my guys and he liked to get his work done early.
00:18:28
Speaker
So as he came out, as we walked out the tunnel together, you know, this is an hour 45 before the game. When I tell you that there was not a seat empty, Like, and it was just, it was it it like, I get emotional in the, excuse me. And then the nationally, I thought like the people in the power. And then when they said his name and you realized, you know, this kid, this kid is loved, not cause he's a Hooper, but because he's, he's who he is.
00:18:58
Speaker
um And my wife and I went for a walk that day. The
Unifying Power of Sports
00:19:03
Speaker
the complete irony, there was this little Irish tavern. It had all the Coors and Budweiser stuff in the windows, hanging proudly.
00:19:12
Speaker
From the tavern was a BYU flag. And that's when I was like, you know, yeah we can all come together on this one. yeah Sorry. I haven't thought about that for a long time. Thank you, man. That's, gosh, yeahd that's like,
00:19:29
Speaker
How right in line is that with what we just, we've we been talking about the last couple months with the how how ah if our world could function like a locker room would, you remember that post I did a while ago after the Charlie Kirk about how our sweat all smells the same and we all are tired and no one, no one gives a rip if you're black or white or Christian or Muslim or atheist or Mexican or, ah you know, Caucasian, no one cares, right? It's just, you're just playing a game that you love. And and here you got a tavern,
00:20:03
Speaker
those people in that crowd weren't all a bunch of LDS, uh, you know, uh, members of the church of Jesus Christ. They were just people who liked basketball and people who appreciated a humble young man who was finding his dreams. And man, why can't we do that? Why can't we do that in as a society and just like take care of each other, man. And Chad, like you grew up, you were more of a BYU fan than I was. Um,
00:20:30
Speaker
i love I've never been a diehard college fan, but I was a gymmer for dead. And Jackson Emery and I were neighbors for a lot of years, so I i know Jackson well. but Sorry about that. No, man. I'm just kidding. I'm joking. That was for Jackson.
00:20:42
Speaker
Jackson. No, Jackson's the best. but But Chad, tell me about your, you know, you follow up on any questions you have for Tim, but tell me a little bit about your... you, your remembrance of that March madness and Jimmer for debt mania. It was awesome. I went to the games, you know, so I was there for all of that. It was so funny because people knew I had season tickets and, uh,
00:21:05
Speaker
I would get calls from cousins and from, you know, hey, can I come down? I want to see Jimmer play. I don't care what team it is, you know, kind of a thing. And it it was amazing that people just wanted to witness what was going on. i haven't really seen anything like it until this year.
00:21:21
Speaker
ah This year, people are wanting to see AJ Devonsta and that crew there. but um But it was really a, here's the thing that I love about that whole situation, a couple of things.
Jimmer Fredette's Post-College Initiatives
00:21:35
Speaker
is Jimmer Fredette just, he has remained consistent. He seems like the same dude that was a freshman, you know? And then when all that was blowing up, like, i loved you sharing that, that if there were 75 kids there and you guys didn't control it, he's signing 75 autographs.
00:21:54
Speaker
And then right when he gets out, you start seeing these anti-bullying You know, he's like, Hey, I have the sport light. I want to do something with it. And, and then he did. And then the NBA didn't work out, which I have a bunch of questions about that. You know, just, I, I am curious to visit more of an expert than my best. And sometimes like why some guys work out, why some guys don't, especially the jibber for debts of the world.
00:22:22
Speaker
think probably my my answer, a quick answer to that would be probably the same, you know, there is talent, but then there's scheme, chemistry, and fit, and all of them play a factor. I mean, there's no doubt the guy could play at the level.
00:22:39
Speaker
um You know, I was really bummed that he ended up in the situation he ended up in because historically that has not been good for guys that, you know, need to develop and have great resources. I mean, you know, the Kings are not the place you want to go. It's just how it is. um It's like being, you go into the A's. Yeah. They're almost looking to like, what can we do with this guy to get more before you even see what he has?
00:23:06
Speaker
So I mean, I think it's a simple, simple answer. I just think I don't think it was, you know, that he wasn't given a fair shake. I think the bottom line was he. The system and the way that their team was constructed at the time didn't fit. um You know, the coaching, again, it took Dave Rose to be able to say, I'll live with you missing a 40-footer, which sometimes that can be really embarrassing. You can ask, you know, Dustin, you go out there, you want your team to look like they're coached.
00:23:33
Speaker
You know, you want there to be that cohesion all the time. And sometimes, particularly, you've got a chucker on your team. But Jimmer was not a chucker. And Jimmer was, he was a scorer, but he facilitated a plenty too.
00:23:48
Speaker
ah But I just do believe that it it was also the transition time in the NBA where they started talking about more positionless play and longer guys. You know, that's the one area Jimmer, he he did not have a physique that you'd go, man, how am I going to deal with that guy? Until he was, you know, shooting a 35 footer right in your eyebrows.
NBA Trends and Jimmer's Challenges
00:24:09
Speaker
Do you think if he was coming out right now with the game, the game is it was it was turning into a little bit more of a three-point game back then, but not like it is now. He still has the size issue and some of those things, but do you think in this game of of dunks or threes, that with his unique ability to shoot from range, do you think he would be more valuable coming out right now than he was coming out 10 years ago?
00:24:37
Speaker
I think he actually... You know, just again, and depending on the situation, but for sure, like the the three point shot is a huge piece of the game. you know, teams are spacing the floor to it now. And you watch old 90s NBA games and it's like watching a fistfight, right? In the paint, like it's just it's crazy how the game has, you know, really been stretched. And so with that, the three point line becomes premium.
00:25:02
Speaker
um But I still believe, you know, there are a lot of people that believe that the the The small guard in the NBA is going the way of the wind. You know, that you've really got to have more so more more than just the ability to run a team. You got to be 6'6", probably at a minimum. And there's going to be a lot of barriers to entry. So you've got to be super special if you're small. well Tim, the question. Sorry, I cut you out there. all Yeah, you know what we're all about, right? With...
00:25:30
Speaker
using our sport light to to do more than just attract attention to ourselves, to use the attention that comes to do good for others. And just hearing you talk about Jimmer Ferdette and Dave Rose, it almost feels like these are two guys that you're saying, hey, like they got it um they were They were great, great men.
00:25:56
Speaker
You get to see them in situations that we don't get to see them in. Oftentimes it's easy for athletes when they know they're supposed to be that kind of a person to be that kind of a person.
00:26:06
Speaker
But it's a rare person that is just genuinely, authentically the same person in the light as they are in the dark. I'm just wondering what you would tell us about Dave Rose, Jimmer Fredette, like...
00:26:20
Speaker
that allows them to be the kind of people, coaches and player that we're encouraging our athletes to be? Like, what was at the heart of their character that that you admire?
Character and Integrity in Sports
00:26:30
Speaker
ah So I think coaches is easy, you know, um and there are a couple of things I'd add to this through the years that really impressed me, but um he's a guy i still talk to weekly. You know, he went from being a complete stranger and my boss to one of my best buddies.
00:26:47
Speaker
And we remain that way today. But I think at the core of Dave Rose, the word integrity comes out more than anything. You know, the number of times he told me, you know, I know what's going on in college basketball.
00:27:01
Speaker
I know, you know, how what guys are doing to get players. And, you know, just so you know, we're BYU and we're not we will not even operating in a gray. You know, our deal is going to be, we're going to, we're going to represent this place with respect.
00:27:17
Speaker
We're going meet people in here that are, you know, that are willing to do that. And if that lessens the ability for us to get a guy, so be it. You know, we're going to have, but we're going to be tough.
00:27:29
Speaker
And i think when you can tell you about a guy that when he says something, he does it.
00:27:37
Speaker
I think that says it all. And that's Dave Rose to a T. And then Jimmer, you know, Jimmer's, I think Jimmer's is, the word that comes out to me is goodness. Just genuine goodness. um Went back to Glens Falls recruiting a different player, a guy by the name of Joe Gerrard III who ended up going to Syracuse.
00:27:59
Speaker
And he actually came out after i left. I think his freshman year might have been 2020, if I remember right. But he was a big time star and broke all Jimmer's records. So I had to go back and see them for myself.
00:28:11
Speaker
And back there, I went and stopped at his parents' house. And very, very humble. And, you know, the same house they've been in their whole life. um i just I talked about parents earlier and i and I want to mention them again here because I think goodness is demonstrated daily.
00:28:32
Speaker
And i think, you know, kids are smart. They can see the parents that go to church and smile and talk to everybody and then get home and badger everybody and say bad things about them behind their back, which happens all the time.
00:28:45
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um But I think that, you know, Jimmer was in an environment of goodness. His parents might be the two best, most humble, genuine, kind people you've ever met. And so i I would say my description of Dave's integrity, your word means something.
00:29:01
Speaker
When you say it, do it. and And then with Jimmer, just straight up old fashioned goodness. How do we,
Navigating NIL Landscape for Parents
00:29:08
Speaker
if if you are recruiting now, ah Tim, in today's NIL world and with the involvement now of parents, I i don't want to say Well, maybe the word, in some cases, the word is probably appropriate greed, but I don't want to, that sounds bad because I don't mean that coach, I mean, I have a son who had a really good senior year of football and he has a chance to play at the next level when he gets home from his missions.
00:29:35
Speaker
He's not a big time NIL money type guy, but he has a chance to play. um So parents want to see their kids reach their dreams. They want to see them, you know, go on and play. It helps if they can be financially, you know, school can be paid for that offset some expenses, maybe for the family and and the boy.
00:29:53
Speaker
But now you, you, you tack on this, you know hundreds of thousands of dollars in many cases, if they're a big time athlete. If you were recruiting now, what advice would you give parents? This this might be a hard question to answer, but what would you what advice would you give a parent of a young man or young woman who's going to be getting some attention and some money to make sure they still stay grounded and close to the original reasons why they you know, they love the game and and just keep them a good person because we all know that that money can change people really quick and they're young and they're and they're getting this money.
00:30:31
Speaker
that's That's a great question. i think, um you know, for so for starters, I want to say, you know, I'm all behind. I think it's well overdue. The guys get compensated. They have been generating a ton of money.
00:30:42
Speaker
And so the idea in principle is awesome. We're going through a really rocky period with it right now. We had Tommy Lloyd. i hosted a radio show in Salt Lake last week, and we had the head coach, Arizona, who's a great pal and came on to talk, um you know, college basketball landscape.
00:31:00
Speaker
And, you know, I expected him to have a little bit of a negative tone toward it all, having to deal with it. and he And he really helped me frame my point of reference, which is it's needed.
00:31:11
Speaker
um But right now, everybody's 100, you know, they're 100 miles away from it because they're afraid to be the ones that actually have to enforce anything. And i think in time when we can get it all right, it'd be great. But and I don't think that should change much. I mean, you've got to be smart and you've got to protect your interests.
00:31:31
Speaker
um But I just went through a house buying process and, you know, I would almost do it like this. id I put all the things are really super important to you, you know, as the player. um What do you really want out of this? who What do you need out of this? ah You know, it was interesting because there were some guys that came through that really wanted...
00:31:49
Speaker
ah certain things that others didn't care about. And so make that ledger almost and say, these are, you know, I really want involvement with head coach that I trust and, you know, and prioritize those things. um Because the bottom line is you can get a bunch of money and get into the wrong situation and everything dies.
00:32:08
Speaker
You're right. But if you're, if you're thoughtful about it and you, as opposed to just looking at money and making that the be all end all, look at this as a launching pad and where, again, where's the best conducive place for me to be able to grow.
00:32:22
Speaker
um And ah and i get again, like to me, it all comes down to the people. um You know, it's people and it's process, but people are the secret sauce. So where you get that best vibe from the people, the most authentic, and that's hard to find. I'm going to clue you in on that.
00:32:39
Speaker
It's ah hard to find authenticity in college coaching. I'm just here to tell you. So when you find it, latch onto it. And though that would be my advice. Do you think that kids and and parents probably fall into this as well?
00:32:54
Speaker
I want to think they do. So I'm i'm going to answer that i I think they do. But do you think that they prioritize relationship with a coach, a coach helping my son or helping my daughter, being that impact that,
00:33:07
Speaker
almost parental figure for them in college and playing time over the money? Or do you think that it's, we've passed the point where it's just about the money for playing time, not coach, whatever, just if I can make an extra couple zeros at the end of this every year, you think the love of the game and the desire to want to have a coach impact you is still prominent over, or perhaps you know, is is a heavier determined determining factor than the money is, or we pass that it's just the money.
00:33:37
Speaker
I think it depends on each and every house and what they value and what they're about. um You know, there there are people that are so shallow that they're going to go to the biggest name school. Right. Even if it's like there's three guys in front of them, but they want to wear that, um you know, to be able to walk around town in the summertime.
00:33:56
Speaker
The parents I'm talking about. Yeah. You know, to be able to walk around with. Yeah. My son's a. Yeah. At Cardinal State, right? Yeah. um So, I mean, again, I think you just got to be real.
Daily Routines and Achieving Excellence
00:34:08
Speaker
think you got to take all the fluff out of the room because you know this as well as I do, Dustin. The day comes where you got to actually walk in there, put a uniform on. Go in there, compete, hang out with those guys in your position room um or the locker room, go out and find a couple of dudes that you're like minded with that you can go out and do things that aren't, you know, that are up to your standard. There's there's all sorts of things to consider.
00:34:33
Speaker
And I honestly, the logo on the shirt should be way down the list. Yeah. Yeah. Or the money, honestly. I mean, obviously, you're not going to give away a crazy amount, but if you're good enough to get a bunch of money, there's going to be a lot of options.
00:34:48
Speaker
Jim, you've watched people come in and out of the program as a college coach. And I'm always um curious to ask coaches, there seem to be some that come in with just a lot of accolades, a lot of abilities, even natural abilities. They're bigger, faster, stronger.
00:35:08
Speaker
And yet they don't achieve what it seems like they could have. And then there's some that come in that stick with the program that work and you watch them. And all of a sudden as a sophomore, they're making a contribution.
00:35:22
Speaker
As a junior, they're getting really good. As a senior, they blow up, you know, and it seems like even though they aren't blessed with the same natural abilities of others, that they really get a lot out of their opportunities.
00:35:35
Speaker
I'm just wondering what you would, what you've learned as you've watched people exceed expectations and not meet expectations, what helps people to get to and exceed their expectations that you had for them coming in?
00:35:55
Speaker
I think it's the guys that are, you know, about a daily program, you know, guys that have a routine and they're true to it. um It reminds me, i was at a gala a couple of years ago in Beverly Hills, raising money for cancer.
00:36:10
Speaker
And it was something I get invited to. And it was so neat because it was the who's who of my generation. Um, you know, you, I got a picture with Sugar Ray Leonard with him, and you know, giving me an uppercut. Um, you know, but one of the cooler parts is I'm not a Yankee guy, but my dad was, and I knew the greatness of Reggie Jackson, um, Mr. October.
00:36:30
Speaker
And so there was a Q and a with him and I was fortunate enough to be in it. And somebody asked him, how do you become Mr. October? You know, like, how how do you be that clutch?
00:36:42
Speaker
And he said, well, spring training starts April 1st. So March 15th is you start March 15th, getting yourself ready for April first And then you get to April 1st and like Skip gives you things you need to work on.
00:36:59
Speaker
And a daily thing like, you know, you're going to take 200 cuts or you're going to field 50 ground ball, whatever it is. And it's an objective sheet that he'd go down and click every day.
00:37:10
Speaker
um And it said, you know, take two or three bunts in your swings. And so he'd make sure and get all three. know, a lot of guys, he just screw around with one and then, but he'd get all three.
00:37:21
Speaker
And he said, the way I became Mr. October is is by being Mr. Every Day. And I think excellence is a mindset, right? It's raising above just kind of the malaise of life and saying, no, I'm i'm not actually going to bone my neck today and I'm going to do things right. You know, I'm going to be pleasant. I'm going to have a good attitude. going to be grateful.
00:37:47
Speaker
And then when I compete, man, I am going to try to rip somebody's head off in a good way. But You know, no angst toward it. It's just, I want to compete. um And to me, i do think it sounds simplistic, but i the people I know in my life who have had great success, they have a daily program.
00:38:04
Speaker
And I just think it's a way to always work on stuff, to master things, to take a next step, get a little bit better, but to always be working at it. You know, I think that's a short answer how I feel.
00:38:18
Speaker
a cool, Dustin, that's a cool concept. The way you become Mr. October is becoming Mr. Everyday. Right? that that yeah and You were probably reminded, Dustin, of George Nguyen during that answer. Yeah.
00:38:32
Speaker
Right? that but we We talked about this a little bit in the pre-show, but the turning point in George Nguyen's career is when he saw that Steph Curry, Draymond Green, Klay Thompson, Kevin Durant all had a daily routine and he did not.
00:38:48
Speaker
And he said, and spending that one little summer there with them, didn't even play with them, but spend a summer with them. And he thought, I don't have a routine. And I think that's a great question for anyone listening to this is, what do you want to accomplish? And what's the intentional daily routine that's going to help you accomplish that?
00:39:09
Speaker
And if you don't have one, it seems like everybody who's excelled that we've had on this podcast has had a daily routine that could be adjusted, improved, and refined.
00:39:20
Speaker
But if you don't have a daily routine that's pointed toward your goals, you're living a life by, ah how did Justin Suess say it? By default, not by design.
00:39:33
Speaker
Yeah. And one thing that I'll just add as an aside, I've kind of put that to the test in my own life. I'm 55. I'm not getting any younger. I'm a grandfather of three.
00:39:44
Speaker
And, you know, I think sometimes we talk ourselves into the fact that, oh, that's too hard. I can't do that. um no or you get into that mode where, no, that's not me. I don't do that, right?
00:39:56
Speaker
I always wanted to play the guitar. I've been in a band since I was 16, and I was just the front man, lead singer, kept the crowd entertained, you know, funny quips and and great moves, right? Yeah.
00:40:09
Speaker
But we still the a play. In fact, we're playing the BYU Notre Dame this game this year out in front of the stadium. We just signed the deal. so Oh, really? Yeah. So everybody will be able to see the party hounds in action.
00:40:21
Speaker
Awesome. But I i really. Backpage passes, Tim. Yeah. Oh, dude, you're no, you're a roadie, dude. I may be on stage singing with me. I know you can sing. and By then you'll be playing the guitar. um So, so I, I mean, I literally thought you had to be a sorcerer a wizard to play the guitar, you know, because in my mind, i have always idolized guys like Eddie Van Halen. And I'm like, man, I could never do that. Well, you're right. If you don't ever try, you could never do that. And so, ah you know, my first, I went got a it's guitar at the pawn shop. I had no idea what it did. I didn't know how to tune the strings to the right. um But I have been on about a five, seven year journey teaching myself how to play the guitar. And I've had to use skills I didn't have, my dexterity in my hands, you know, and ah and figuring out as you refine the right amount of pressure to put on to get your desired sound. But over a five, six year period, I've learned to play.
00:41:18
Speaker
I can play along with some of the greats, which is really fun. And and so I put that to practice in my alone. There's not many days I don't play. Even if I get home, I'd say, hey, babe, I gotta go play for a half an hour.
00:41:30
Speaker
But there'll be some days that are really hard work day and I'll work six down there. um So I don't, again, I don't think there's a cheat code to success. I think it's planned. Yeah. it's It's consistency. And like we say, every almost seems like every podcast, Chad, embracing the boredom of consistency. it's I just talked to some kids at ah high school yesterday about, I used the example of Steph Curry.
00:41:56
Speaker
And I said, guys, I promise you that at every practice Steph Curry's ever been at, including the one he'll have today. the He will shoot the the same free throws that he shot when he was a sixth grader from the same location. He'll try to have it do the same thing. He'll do the same drills. He'll work on the same 15 footer that he worked on when he was 10 years old. Until he makes every single one of them,
00:42:21
Speaker
And every single game he ever plays in, he'll keep working on it because that's the goal is to be perfect. And since we're we're not likely to reach that, it's it's not coming up with new, fancy, difficult things to do. It's doing the same things over and over and over again until it just becomes muscle memory. And you can play along with your favorite song and not have to stress about it, right?
00:42:44
Speaker
Yeah, and then those things that look so so so scary and hard from the from the very beginning, when you're like, how does he do that? You know, you're starting to to make sense of, oh, okay, so I just need to learn how to make that transition a little faster.
00:42:57
Speaker
So you can, you know, so that, again, in the process, new discoveries, new understanding, new knowledge um is no different than our life journey, really, if you're open if you're open to it. so many So many people stop in the messiness of learning something.
00:43:12
Speaker
you know, and they think they aren't natural. you know, we have kids out on missions right now and I have one in the Philippines and that that first couple of months learning Tagalog.
00:43:26
Speaker
I can't imagine. out how So much respect. She was like, dad, i don't even know. Like, I only know Tagalog good enough right now to know that people are speaking Tagalog to me and I don't understand it instead of se bueno. But now at least I can tell the difference between the two languages.
00:43:46
Speaker
And now you get to the end and she thinks she dreams in Tagalog and she sometimes is searching for English words on the phone. And I just feel like there's there's a messiness ah there's like simplicity, complexity, and simplicity, right? And you've heard that the greatest place to be is on the simplicity that exists on the other side of complexity.
00:44:12
Speaker
But so many people settle for a simple life And the simple on the other side a complexity of learning the guitar, the freedom, for example, Tim, this sounds so dumb, but to to be at a family event around a fire and to be able to grab the guitar and to to bring life and love and music to that moment, like that's the simplicity on the other side of the complexity of learning the guitar, you know, and I just feel like so many, me included, like that sometimes we
Embracing Complexity and Growth
00:44:48
Speaker
we settle for simple lives that require not a lot out of us.
00:44:54
Speaker
And if we could work through the complexity complexity and messiness of learning something new or developing a new skill or enhancing one we already have, the simplicity on the other side is always worth it.
00:45:06
Speaker
And that guitar analogy is a really cool way to think about that. I wish right now, And I know what you're going to say to me in return, right? You can. That I could grab a guitar and I could just go up and hang out and play some songs around my fire pit in the back a backyard with my family.
00:45:26
Speaker
I can't do that. it's There's some complexity to go through and there's just dozens of things like that in our life. But we just settle for a simple life that never has to be complex. You know what I like about the guitar analogy too, Shad and and Tim? Because Shad, you've heard me apologize to everybody. I've beat this to death over the years. But...
00:45:45
Speaker
we, ah that's why I like the sport golf as well, is that in golf and same thing with playing the guitar is that if you miss a shot, um, or you, you know, you don't, you miss a chord or it's no, it's your, it's no one else's fault, right? Like you can't say, well, he dropped the pass or, you know, um I made the perfect pass and he missed the shot, right? Or we lost the game. Um, it's you, you, you missed the putter or you, you know, and so there's nobody to blame. And we live in this world right now where it's almost as if you don't have a way to,
00:46:16
Speaker
and a way out, a way to cast the the reason for you you're not being successful is because somebody else, you know, did you wrong, then it's almost, then I don't want to do it. It's too much responsibility if I have to do it myself because I can't, I can't blame anybody else, right? Why can't we, why couldn't somebody learn to play the guitar?
00:46:36
Speaker
It's just a matter of commitment. It's just a matter of diligent practice and commitment and work. And that's the reason. So ultimately the battle is they got, it's just, they have them to blame, right? Most of the time it's just us against us. It's, it's like, Chad, I talk about all the time. It's the two dogs battling inside of us and which one do we want to feed the most?
00:46:54
Speaker
And that's who we're going to become. And, you know, Tim, it's really cool for those ah that we we kind of jumped right into that, but You had not played the guitar, you know, if you did, it wasn't a lot until how long ago did you really decide you wanted to play the guitar?
00:47:09
Speaker
Five years. So i I bought a guitar years and years ago, but like really digging into it and trying to figure it out. You know, there's the same type of thing you can find. You can just play all the chords up in F, you know, on the end of the guitar. and You can find them all there and you can play adequately, but it's not how everybody, you know, you got to get up in here. So... Honestly, the craziest part, and I think there's an alignment to what we're talking about.
00:47:34
Speaker
I called one of my buddies. he's um He's actually in the Texas Music Hall of Fame. He's in our band, and he started a band, being a musician his whole life. um you know And we were chatting, and he said, do you know do you even know the fretboard?
00:47:48
Speaker
And I said, what do you mean? He said, like go down the you know each little fret, and do you know the notes? and I have no idea. um I was just totally playing by, you know, diagrams on, on, on the, on the screen.
00:48:03
Speaker
And he said, learn the, you know, learn the fretboard. In other words, understand where you are you know You have no chance. You're trying to do this without any understanding.
00:48:15
Speaker
So put the time into the understanding piece. And I still don't have music theory or any of that, but I do know now you know where F is and where G and where A and where B and where all the places you can find them. And it's amazing when you actually know where you are, it's way easier get where you're going.
00:48:32
Speaker
And I do think a lot of people walk around just doing the bare minimum every day. I've seen it, you know, having been in the corporate world, um you know, and and I have my days where there's a malaise. But I think you can if you can rise above that and visualize, like, hey, here's where I am today, headed that direction, um slow and steady wins the race. I really believe that. Yeah.
00:48:57
Speaker
That's great. That's really good. Knowing where we're at.
Parenting in Sports and Evolving Dynamics
00:49:00
Speaker
And I think for parents, maybe we can probably time to wrap wrap this up, but maybe some final words from all of us. But for parents who I think and coaches who are the majority of the people who, you know, listen to this podcast, you know, I i think that's a good piece of advice you just gave for us as parents, Tim, is to recognize where we're at. I'm going through a little bit of that right now with You know, looking back on, I just stepped down from being a head high school coach and looking back on, it's only been a couple weeks, but, you know, the couple some of the teams I've had not realizing in the moment, getting so sidetracked by yeah all this other stuff that I didn't really recognize
00:49:42
Speaker
how good I had it and how good we had it and how fun it really was, you know, and even the losses just, and I knew we, we all get there. Like I look back on high school and I look back on college, Chad and I were teammates in college and, you know, and it's, it's, you don't realize it in the moment. And then afterwards, what's the great line that Andy Bernard says in the office that, you know, he wishes he knew he was in the good old days when he was in the good old days or something, you know, so something to that point. So as parents, you know,
00:50:12
Speaker
Like we we all know it's going to end. You know, I have three, we're we're all that age. I have three kids out out of the house and just two in it. And just last night, no joke, last night I was home. It was seven o'clock, got home. My wife was on the couch and and she was reading something. And I said, where's everybody? And I said, do you remember when we used to have five kids in our house? Like no one's here. It's just us. Like this, has that ever happened? And I realized like, my gosh, like I,
00:50:40
Speaker
I want that back, right? Like I want it back. and And I want to have the conversation with my son after a but ah bad game yeah or a good game. you just just want to have the conversation with him, you know? And so my advice to parents would be,
00:50:55
Speaker
First, remember it's about them. And remember that we just did a post on our Instagram page about this, about the power of parents just showing up, just being there, their son and daughter, just seeing them in the stands. Just when you get in the car with them, instead of critiquing and and telling them what they did wrong right away, just tell them you were happy to watch them play, that you love watching them do what they love and and ask them, do they want to talk about the game? They may not want to talk about it. That's okay. We don't want to always talk about our bad day. Every time when we come home, a friend calls us. Sometimes we just don't want, we're not ready to talk about it yet. and Most of the time, I don't think our kids want us to tell them what they did wrong in the game. They want to just have mom or dad say, you have a good time?
00:51:37
Speaker
I loved watching you play. you want to talk about anything, let me know. And then where do you want to go get an ice cream? Or where do you want to go eat? Or what's, you know, what do got going on in the rest of the day? And we as parents,
00:51:49
Speaker
have to remember, this will be my final thing. we are not We are not looking at their experiences. Name the age, eighth, ninth, 10th grade, high school, college.
00:52:01
Speaker
We cannot look at their situation and say that because we were also at 1.7th, eighth, ninth graders, high school athletes, whatever, that we understand what they're going through because it is apples and oranges. 2026 is a lot different than 1996 or 86 was. We don't quite understand it because we don't know what their life's like nowadays with social media and with phones and with all the other stuff. The internet has changed everything. So before we jump in too much to, well, this is how you should do it. And I know the answer and we have to back away and understand that
00:52:39
Speaker
These kids are, they're kind of trailblazing new grounds right now. And we are too as parents and we have to get help from each other. We have to find podcasts like this to where we can discuss stuff and talk to people about how did they do it? And how did you handle it with your daughter? Because,
00:52:55
Speaker
It's just different. Kids are going through so many different things now. A college athlete now, the stuff they're dealing with is nothing like what we dealt with now when you talk about the money and the transferring and all the stuff. So anyway, Tim, I think what you just said there to end is going to be my final kind of staple was be aware of where you're at.
00:53:14
Speaker
lot easier to know where you're going if you have an understanding of of where you're at. So I appreciate that comment. Chad, I'll let you say anything. Then Tim, any final words that you might have? Actually, my thoughts went the same direction, Dustin. That was a really profound object lesson with the frets.
00:53:31
Speaker
um i was speaking to the Utah Blaze this week, and they have a they're the dance team down at Utah Tech, and they're getting ready for nationals. and They had this a theme that they asked me to speak on, Believe to Become. and I was talking about becoming. I kind of leaned into that word a little bit more and one of the things that really hit me is if we really want to know where we are we need to go to someone who loves us and we need to ask them questions and be humble and and be responsive instead of defensive.
00:54:13
Speaker
Because I think that we all have some blind spots. Parents have blind spots. Like to sit down with a kid and to say, i want to be a supportive dad or mom. I know sometimes I act a certain way at games that maybe I shouldn't or whatever it might. I know maybe I push you harder than you might want.
00:54:33
Speaker
Can you tell me from your perspective, how am I doing as a mom or a dad? How am I doing as a coach? How am I doing in life? And and then instead of being defensive, be humble and responsive instead of prideful and defensive.
00:54:51
Speaker
And if we will be humble and responsive instead of prideful and defensive, then we'll know where we're truly at in life. And we won't be like the emperor with no clothes on, right? Who's walking around thinking we're something that we're not when everyone around us can see something.
00:55:13
Speaker
in us. And i I hope we all have people in our and our lives, spouses, children, brothers, you know, sisters, that we could go to and say, hey, what am I?
00:55:25
Speaker
Where am I? Like, tell me where I'm at. and And of course, we're men of faith here. you know, we could go to God and ask that same question. And once we know where we're at,
00:55:38
Speaker
and then decide where we want to be we can get there. We have so much help to get there if we will make the decision, get out of our comfort zone, go through the complexity that Tim talked about with the guitar.
00:55:52
Speaker
We could get where we want to get as fathers, as coaches, is as mothers and and friends, athletes, musicians, whatever it might be.
00:56:04
Speaker
Usually but difference between where we truly are and where we want to be is is effort and sacrifice. And if we're willing to do it, we could get there. And that's what I'm taking, Tim, from from what you've shared. So thanks. I hope everyone has had an inspiring, as inspiring of a conversation as we've had with you, Tim. It's been super, super wonderful for me. So thank you so much. Thank you both.
00:56:31
Speaker
Thank you so both for so much for having me on. Honestly, ah I don't see myself anything other than just, a you know, one of the guys. I really appreciate both of your authenticity.
00:56:46
Speaker
And that's a really important word to me as I get older. I have no time for drama. don't have any time for games. don't have time for people that don't want to be real. And so I think that's what I'd leave it with is, you know, be who you are and and have confidence to be who you are. If you aren't who you want to be,
00:57:06
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you know make some modifications. But think at the end of the day, this this life journey is an opportunity to every single day go out and learn something new about this place or ourselves.
Core Principles of Especially for Athletes
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And I think if we lead with gratitude, it's way easier to be receptive, as you talked about, Shad, and humble. Gratitude to me is is the, that unlocks everything. And you can, either your mindset can be one of two things. It can be, you know, I'm so grateful or,
00:57:35
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yes Right. And I just try to be more on my I'm grateful side. So thanks for all you do and all you've done through the years for so many. And it's been an honor.
00:57:45
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Thank you. Thank you, Tim. Everybody, if if you want to know more about especially for athletes, our four core principles, the four chapters in our book. the topics that we discuss when we go and meet with teams and, and, uh, or parents, businesses as well. When the hour talk about being present, being where your feet are being in the moment. We talked a little bit about that today. Um, competing without contempt,
00:58:09
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being competitive. It's okay to be competitive, but do it without hatred and without animosity towards your opponent. Make sure you represent your family name and your school name and your community that you you represent in a way that's you know that's how it should be. um Be resilient.
00:58:26
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Make sure our kids understand what that word means, by the way. I have found out from speaking with a lot of kids that they and they've heard the word a million times. They don't really understand what it means. It's more than just not quitting. There's more to it. So be resilient. And that's us as parents as well.
00:58:42
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And then our last one, and probably the most important one, it all kind of leads up to everything we do with, especially for athletes, keeping your eyes up, doing the work is that we seek to bless and not impress. That we stop worrying so much about impressing people with what we do and what we but you know, our opinions, but more how do we help people and how do we give back? How do we
Final Thoughts on Sports Impact
00:59:03
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use what we've been given to help other people? In the case of especially for athletes, we say that the sport light, the attention that we give these kids because they're good at sports is a tremendous tool to do good in the world if used appropriately. It's also a tremendous burden that a lot of kids have on them because they're good at sports.
00:59:23
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They now have attention given to them that they don't know or want, and it can ruin a lot of kids too. So we as adults have a responsibility to teach these kids that if they're gifted in a sport or music or whatever it is, they're going to get eyeballs on them. People are going know who they are and what they do now is going to be magnified, good or bad. And so that's what we try to do, it especially for athletes, finding people like Tim.
00:59:45
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uh, to come on coach where we're, we're just trying to find people out there that may have a different angle of teaching what we believe should be taught. And then it opens up Chad and my, I mean, I know I can already read Chad's like where our brains are already racing on things we can do with things you've said and how we're going to cut this up into a lesson to show kids. And, and because that's what it is, everybody's got something to give to the world and,
01:00:07
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We just got to get our lane and and then, you know, put the pedal down. So Tim, again, thanks for coming. Chad, great seeing you again, man. Everybody keep your eyes up do the work. Thank you for joining the Especially for Athletes podcast.
01:00:19
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To learn more about Especially for Athletes organization, get a copy of our book, The Sportlight, or to bring our program to your team, school, business, or organization, visit us at especiallyforathletes.org.