Hall of Fame point guard Steve Nash said it best: “The process is what wins.” In this episode of the Especially for Athletes podcast, we unpack why process over outcome is more than just a motivational phrase—it’s a way of life for elite athletes and strong individuals.

 

Dustin and Chad reflect on lessons from Steve Nash, bestselling author James Clear (Atomic Habits), and past podcast guests like Brennan Schooler, Ally Gomm, and Justin Su’a to explore what it really means to stack hours, build discipline, and compete even when no one is watching.

Highlight Moments:

 * Why trusting the process builds long-term success—even after tough losses.

 * James Clear’s take on identity-based habits: “Every action you take is a vote for the type of person you wish to become.”

 * How developing a consistent process leads to surprising victories—in sports and in life.

Whether you’re an athlete, coach, or parent, this episode will help you rethink what it means to win. Stick to the process. Trust the journey. Eyes Up. Do the Work.

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Hosted by Shad Martin & Dustin Smith
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144. Process Over Outcome: Lessons from Steve Nash, James Clear, and Real-Life Sports

What does it take to become one of the nation’s top collegiate gymnasts? For Taylor Christopulos, the answer is found not just in routines and repetitions—but in mindset, resilience, and service.

In this episode, Taylor, the 2025 Nissen-Emery Award winner (often called the “Heisman of Gymnastics”), shares his journey from Layton, Utah, to Nebraska’s NCAA team, his Olympic aspirations, and the unseen grind that defines success. He reflects on the importance of training the mind, pushing through the “bottom third” days, and using his platform to lift others.

Highlight Moments:

 * Why everyday decisions—like sleep, food, and mindset—are where championships are really won.

 * The power of visualizing goals and staying grounded in purpose.

 * Lessons from Nebraska’s team motto: “It Takes What It Takes.”

This episode is a must-listen for any athlete striving to win more than just games. It’s about winning your hours, your mindset, and your impact.

Principles discussed: Win the Hour, Be Resilient, Seek to Bless Not to Impress

Listen now and be inspired to keep your Eyes Up and Do the Work.

Especially for Athletes:

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143. Lessons from NCAA Gymnast Taylor Christopulos (2025 Nissen-Emery Award Winner)

In this episode of the Especially for Athletes podcast, Dustin and Shad break down a powerful interview with NBA legend Charles Barkley that covers anger, blame, and the moment Barkley decided to stop playing with bitterness and start playing for the right reasons. Barkley shares a raw and honest story about how unresolved anger and the desire to “prove people wrong” nearly defined his career—and how one moment of reflection helped him shift his mindset. Dustin and Shad reflect on what it means to “play with an edge” versus “playing on the edge,” and how athletes, parents, and coaches alike can learn from Barkley’s hard-earned wisdom.

Key Takeaways:

 * Be 100% Responsible – “She didn’t flunk you. You flunked you.” Barkley’s turning point came when he finally took ownership of his choices.
 * Playing With an Edge vs. On the Edge – Passion and intensity are great. But if they’re fueled by hate, it’s only a matter of time before you fall.
 * Pre-decide Your Lines – Athletes and parents alike need to know their personal limits before competition starts to avoid moments they’ll regret.
 * Competing Without Contempt – Proving others wrong might be motivating—but don’t let bitterness steal your joy or define your character.
 * The Power of Maturity – Barkley’s journey reminds us that true greatness isn’t just about skill—it’s about growth, humility, and self-awareness. 

Whether you’re an athlete, coach, or parent, this episode is a reminder to stay grounded, play with purpose, and keep your Eyes Up and Do the Work—for the right reasons.

Especially for Athletes:

Website: https://e4a.org
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/EspeciallyForAthletes/
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Hosted by Shad Martin & Dustin Smith
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142. Lessons from Charles Barkley on Taking Responsibility

In episode #141 of the Especially for Athletes Podcast, we sit down with Ally Gum, a track athlete currently running at Duke University. Ally shares her incredible journey from being a Provo Bulldog in Utah to competing at the University of Utah, taking a break to serve a mission in Boston, and ultimately transferring to Duke University to finish her collegiate career. Along the way, she’s learned invaluable lessons about resilience, leadership, and what it truly takes to compete at the highest level.

Key Takeaways:

 1. Winning the Hour:
    
    Ally opens up about the importance of setting priorities and goals. She explains how being a high-level athlete means being deliberate with every moment of your day—balancing practice, recovery, meals, and academics. She encourages athletes to “fall in love with the process,” saying that treating the everyday actions as part of the competition itself can help you get ahead of your competitors.

 2. The Importance of Sleep:
    
    A surprising lesson Ally learned was the value of sleep in performance. She shares how her coach at Duke emphasized the importance of rest, even more than practice sometimes. Ally admits that, in high school, she didn’t prioritize sleep, but now she realizes how crucial it is for recovery and maximizing her performance.

 3. Competing Without Contempt:
    
    Competing with respect and camaraderie rather than animosity is essential. Ally discusses the unique nature of track and field, where athletes from different teams compete side by side but can still encourage each other. She describes a moment of joy when a teammate ran a personal record and how it felt to genuinely cheer for her teammate’s success, illustrating the true spirit of competition.

 4. Resilience in Action:
    
    Ally shares her personal story of overcoming setbacks, including a painful injury and being replaced on her team right before qualifying for nationals. Despite feeling crushed, Ally used this setback as fuel to push harder and ultimately transferred to Duke, where she’s now running her best times ever. Her story is a powerful example of how resilience is built through adversity and how athletes can rise above challenges.

 5. The Spotlight and Using It to Lift Others:
    
    With the extra attention that athletes often get, Ally discusses the responsibility of using that “spotlight” to help and lift others. She shares how being involved in sports has given her the chance to mentor and motivate younger athletes, and how using her platform has allowed her to create a positive impact on the lives of others.

 6. Leadership and Teamwork:
    
    Ally reflects on the importance of her teammates, who have been a huge source of support throughout her athletic career. She emphasizes that being a teammate means not only competing together but also being there for each other through tough times. Ally has learned to look out for teammates who might be struggling, just as they’ve supported her.

In this episode, Ally Gum exemplifies the principles of resilience, leadership, and compassion that Especially for Athletesstrives to instill in young athletes. Whether you’re facing a setback in sports or life, Ally’s insights on staying focused, using setbacks as motivation, and building stronger relationships with teammates will inspire you to keep your eyes up and do the work.

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141. Resilience, Leadership, and the Power of Competing: Lessons from Ally Gomm

In episode #140 of the Especially for Athletes Podcast, we tackle a powerful and emotional topic: bullying. We explore the critical role that athletes, coaches, and parents can play in addressing and preventing bullying, especially in schools. Through a video that went viral, we dive deep into the heart of bullying, the leadership shown by a young boy standing up to bullying, and how athletes can help in these situations.

Key Takeaways:

 1.  Athletes as Leaders in Bullying Prevention – The episode highlights how athletes can use their position of influence to step in when they see bullying. By simply showing empathy and offering support to the victim, athletes can create a culture of kindness. We discuss how a football coach shared a moving video with his team, urging them to be leaders who stand up for others in difficult situations.
 2. Empathy First, Action Second – It’s not just about confronting the bully, but more importantly, about showing care for the victim. The real work comes from addressing the bullying and offering support by including the victim and making them feel valued. Simple gestures like asking “Are you okay?” or inviting them to join in activities can make a world of difference.
 3. Bullying Isn’t Just a High School Problem – Bullying happens most frequently in middle school and junior high, with over 70% of students witnessing it. Addressing bullying needs to be a constant conversation, not just a one-time discussion. Athletes, especially those in leadership positions, can use their social influence to make a lasting impact.
 4. The Heart of Leadership – We explore the deeper emotional and psychological factors that drive bullying behavior. By understanding that many bullies act out due to their own insecurities and struggles, we highlight the importance of showing compassion for both the victim and the bully.
 5. The Power of Empathy and Action – We wrap up with a powerful message about how true leadership involves more than just preventing bullying—it’s about changing the culture around you. As athletes, the power of the sportlight can be used not only to uplift your peers but also to create a ripple effect that impacts your school, community, and beyond.

This episode challenges athletes, coaches, and parents to be proactive in helping those who are bullied and to set an example of empathy, leadership, and positive action. It’s not just about stopping bullying; it’s about creating an environment where kindness and respect are the norm.

Listen to the full episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Especially for Athletes:

Website: https://e4a.org
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/EspeciallyForAthletes/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/E4Afamily
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/especiallyforathletes/
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Credits:

Hosted by Shad Martin
Produced by IMAGINATE STUDIO

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140. Responding to Bullying: How Athletes Can Lead with Empathy and Action

In episode #139 of the Especially for Athletes Podcast, we tackle a tough moment many athletes face, the heartbreak of being cut from a team. Whether you’ve just experienced this setback or are coaching athletes who have, this episode is for you. We explore how to respond with resilience, work ethic, and perseverance, using the stories of remarkable athletes like Doug Meechum, Elsie Murphy, and Jeff Griffin.

Key Takeaways:

 1. Respond with Work – Doug Meechum shares his story of being cut from his high school team, but instead of giving up, he went to work, got feedback, and returned the next year to earn a spot. As he puts it, “Go to work and make it so they can’t cut you next year.” Resilience is about turning setbacks into motivation and putting in the effort to prove yourself.
 2. Dream a New Dream – When Elsie Murphy faced rejection for four years in a row, she didn’t let it define her. Instead, she shifted her focus to become an equipment manager, earning a scholarship and a career in athletics. Similarly, Jeff Griffin, after a life-changing injury, redirected his focus and became a Paralympian. When one dream ends, you can always create a new one and continue to apply your work ethic to something else meaningful.
 3. Failure is Not Final – As Michael Jordan famously said, “I’ve missed more than 9,000 shots… I’ve failed over and over again in my life, and that’s why I succeed.” Failure is part of the journey, but it’s how you respond that defines your future success. Whether you keep working or dream a new dream, resilience and perseverance will always lead you to the next step.

This episode is a powerful reminder that setbacks are not the end. They are opportunities to rise, to redirect your efforts, and to keep pushing toward your goals, no matter what the road ahead looks like.

Especially for Athletes:

Website: https://e4a.org
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/EspeciallyForAthletes/
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Hosted by Shad Martin
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139. How to Respond When You Get Cut: Resilience and Dreaming New Dreams

In this episode, we sit down with BYU football standout Connor Pay just days before the NFL Draft as he prepares to begin his professional career. Connor shares powerful insights about the path to greatness—how it demands sacrifice, repetition, and a willingness to embrace the boredom of consistency. From mastering the art of snapping a football to leading the offensive line with precision, Connor opens up about the behind-the-scenes discipline it takes to perform at an elite level.

We also dive into his commitment to using his platform as a well-known athlete to positively influence others, especially young people, in their faith and personal development. This conversation is a reminder that true greatness often lies on the other side of mundane—where consistency becomes second nature and purpose fuels perseverance.

Especially for Athletes:

Website: https://e4a.org
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/EspeciallyForAthletes/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/E4Afamily
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Hosted by Shad Martin
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138. Greatness on the Other Side of Boring” with BYU Football’s Connor Pay

In episode #137 of the Especially for Athletes Podcast, we break down a postgame interview with Coach Kelvin Sampson of the Houston Cougars after their dramatic victory over Duke. In this interview, Coach Samson exemplified three of the core principles we emphasize at Especially for Athletes: resilience, preparation, and competing without contempt.

We dive into the key lessons that can be learned from his approach to coaching and leading a team:

 * Resilience: Coach Samson reminds us that “no one ever loses at anything as long as you don’t quit.” Resilience is about persevering through challenges, focusing on what’s within your control, and not letting setbacks define you.

 * Win the Hour: The victory wasn’t just about a single game—it was built through countless hours of preparation. Trusting the work you’ve put in and focusing on every moment, no matter how small, is how great success is achieved. “What just happened was not luck, it was work.”

 * Compete Without Contempt: Coach Samson gives credit where it’s due, acknowledging the strength of his team’s opponents and appreciating the competition. True competitors strive for victory but respect those they compete against.

In this episode, we break down how these three principles can shape the way you approach sports, life, and leadership. It’s not about luck—it’s about living with purpose and integrity, no matter the stage you’re on.

Key Takeaways:

 * Resilience means never giving up, no matter how tough the situation gets.

 * Trusting the hours of preparation you’ve put in is key to achieving success.

 * Competing without contempt means respecting your opponents, even while fiercely striving to win.

If you want to build a foundation for long-term success and impact, start by embracing these principles, just like Coach Kelvin Sampson and the Houston Cougars. Remember, success is a byproduct of living a principled life.

Especially for Athletes:

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137. Lessons from Coach Kelvin Sampson Postgame Interview

In episode #136 of the Especially for Athletes Podcast, we’re joined by Alex Zettler, former Texas A&M football player and current Georgia Southern coach, and his father Brian Zettler, a legendary athletic trainer who’s worked with the Dallas Cowboys, Utah Jazz, and Dallas Mavericks. Together, they share profound insights into what it takes to leave a lasting legacy in sports—not through stats or accolades, but through perseverance, character, and service.

The Zettlers reflect on their individual journeys, from Alex’s experience as a college athlete to Brian’s remarkable career in the sports world. They discuss the true meaning of success, emphasizing how it’s not just about winning games, but about the impact you have on others. Whether you’re a player, coach, or support staff, the lesson is clear: great athletes and professionals are those who uplift others and leave a mark that goes beyond the field or court.

Key takeaways from this episode:

 * Perseverance is key: Success isn’t about immediate results; it’s about staying focused and pushing forward despite challenges.
 * Character over recognition: True greatness is built on strong character, not just statistics or awards.
 * Service to others: The legacy of those who serve others—whether through coaching, training, or supporting teammates—leaves the most lasting impact.

This conversation is a testament to the power of service, hard work, and the importance of setting an example for others in the sports world and beyond. Tune in to learn from the Zettlers about what it means to leave a legacy that truly matters.

Especially for Athletes:

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136. Leaving a Legacy: Lessons from Alex and Brian Zettler

In this episode of the Especially for Athletes Podcast, Shad and Dustin explore a powerful message from Clemson Tigers coach, Dabo Swinney: “Let the light inside of you always be brighter than the light shining on you.” This principle aligns perfectly with the core of Especially for Athletes, where we emphasize the importance of athletes using their “sportlight” not just to impress, but to uplift and bless others.

We discuss the significance of embracing your role on the team, no matter where you fall on the depth chart, and how true greatness comes from the character, resilience, and humility that shine from within. The conversation also touches on how athletes can use their visibility to impact others in a positive way, much like the example set by athletes such as Tim Tebow.

Key Takeaways:
 • Embrace your role: Be the best teammate you can be, whether you’re playing or supporting from the sidelines.
 • Let your inner light shine: Use the attention you receive to help others, rather than basking in the spotlight.
 • Do the work: Consistency, hard work, and supporting your teammates—whether anyone’s watching or not—lead to lasting success.

Tune in as we break down how athletes can “Seek to Bless, Not Impress” and reflect the light within them to inspire those around them.

Especially for Athletes:

Website: https://e4a.org
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/EspeciallyForAthletes/
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135. Seek to Bless, Not Impress: Dabo Swinney on Letting Your Inner Light Shine

Especially for Athletes (“E4A”) is a movement designed to inspire athletes, and those with whom they associate, to maximize their athletic potential and to use their talents, social influence, and their "Sportlight" to assist and lift others. E4A is seeking to build a culture of athletes focused on changing lives through better use of the attention and influence that accompanies their position. E4A provides education, training and motivational tools to inspire athletes to focus on doing more, and becoming more than just a great athlete.Schools, teams, youth organizations, and individual athletes are encouraged to become E4A certified and join the growing group of athletes of all ages and skill levels including college and professional athletes in committing to the E4A promise and wearing proudly their Eyes Up-Do the Work wrist band.

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