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Season 3: Struggle Session
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We are unfortunately back. Recent events in East Lansing have forced us back to the mic to commiserate in the abysmal state of Michigan State Football. We talk how we got here, what we think went wrong, and pontificate (and mostly just rant) about where we go from here. It's rock bottom, hopefully, and you're not alone.
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Michigan State's 2015 Playoff Hopes and Challenges
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The day is December 31st, 2015. The Spartans are playing in the college football playoff and with 17 seconds to go the offense is driving and in the red zone. Despite a 10-0 deficit, we are all watching with hope and belief knowing what this team and program has done in similar situations in the past.
00:00:19
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The 2014 Cotton Bowl comeback was fresh in our memories and during the 2013 Rose Bowl, we were also down 10. In this spot, with years of experience behind us, knowing what D'Antonio teams are capable of, we had high expectations for what was going to come.
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Connor Cook takes the snap, sees Aaron Burbridge in the left corner of the end zone, but Cyrus Jones picks him off, ending the drive in any momentum that Michigan State had going into half.
MSU's Decline: Coaching and Administration Woes
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What followed from that moment was not only a blowout loss in MSCU's first and only college football playoff appearance, but a decade of mediocrity and in more recent years, outright dogshit product on the field.
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The worst hire in the D'Antonio tenor, We know who that is. The decimation of the 2016 recruiting class. We know why. linebacker going beyond full MAGA and using the N-word.
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A coach that refused to modernize or retire at the right time. An admin that wouldn't make the de decision decision easy for him. And a bad AD locking in a horny guy into a bad contract and then following that up by locking in an asexual cuck to a similarly bad contract.
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The college football playoff pick was the harbinger of a decade of mishaps, debacles, and step-in-dogshit moments that brought us to the point where we are at today. And where are we today?
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a team that quit and got blown out by a 1-4 UCLA team with an interim head coach and an offensive coordinator that didn't know how to use a headset a week ago. a program that looks completely dead every which way you look, staring down two loaded guns, firing a coach 1.1 and a half years into their tenure, or keeping them on for a few more months and watching them turn the team into the 2008 Detroit Lions.
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Ladies and gentlemen, we unfortunately welcome you back to The Search. How's it going, boys? That made me feel great. Is our podcast the Grim Reaper of MSU Sports? Holy shit.
00:02:19
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Yeah. um I've been kind of marinating on that one because I'm like, I know a lot of people point to the Connor Cook pick as like what started it all.
00:02:32
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I have some theories about where it was truly lost, but like it's just been a series of shit after shit after shit to even worse shit to even worse shit. And now we're like,
00:02:44
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We're like, i mean, we're all in agreement. We're in a worse position than we were like when we did the the first episode of the show like two years ago, right?
Is MSU at Its Lowest Point?
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Yeah, probably.
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i think this is rock bottom. That's the good thing. There's only up from here. I don't know if there's a way down. i I don't know if this is rock bottom. I mean... I might get worse, man. It's...
00:03:10
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You got people talking about even I'm thinking about eating my Michigan ticket, dude. That's how fucking bad this is. Okay, what's the worst thing that happens? We out get blown up by 70 by Michigan, and then we fire him. And then all of a sudden things look, we have hope again.
00:03:22
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Well, the problem is, is like, who's going to take the job if they're like, we're like every two fucking years, man. yeah Who wants to hire? it wants to take this job at that point? Yeah. probably so If we leave them on, if we leave them on and people going to eat their tickets, no one's going to buy, no one's going to buy renew season passes for next year and no recruits want to come here.
00:03:42
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So we're, like we're, we're fucked. Like, I, I, I don't know. Like, if you fire him now, you have to nail this hire. Yeah. ah You have to. If you fuck this up, and we said that last time, dude, look where we're where we're at now.
00:03:59
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So like it's like a never-ending fucking cycle. You know how people were saying in 2020 that they should have just like put the interim tag on Trestle, let him coach 2020, and then we would have like gotten hire in 2021? Maybe that's an option now. like They should have done that in hindsight because of COVID happened. And know who gives a shit if the season sucks.
00:04:24
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ah That's what they should have done. I know it's hindsight. Hindsight is 2020. But that's what should have happened. Yeah. Or they could have hired Burt.
00:04:34
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I cannot believe that would have been a good hire. this I mean, it would have actually probably worked. We would have had an offensive line. he would have eaten the stadium down, though. i was I remember browing it I said I was going to throw myself off the top of the stadium if they hired him five years ago.
00:04:48
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Oh, my Lord. What happened, man? It'd be really hungry, hungry hippos. But yeah, um that's where we're at now. We recorded our last episode about the head football coach, not the AD. We did a special summer episode about Haller getting fired.
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um We recorded our last episode. By the way, none of us got that right. Just wanted to point out. None of us said J-Bat. Nope. At all. No, we all thought it was going to be Bubba Cunningham or whatever, right?
00:05:19
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It Bubba Cunningham, and I think i can there was one other guy. i can't remember who it was. People need to use LA AD for a second. no No, no, no, no, no. Nobody wanted Jermon. We didn't want him, but I know people are saying it.
00:05:32
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He is bad. That guy is horrible. So anyways, we recorded our last episode over Thanksgiving 2023, and we're not even a full two years, and we are recording what we think is an episode that will...
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um
Team Dynamics and Performance Issues
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trigger moves or hopefully trigger moves and put moves into the atmosphere that get moves made. Like, don't even fucking know. Like the, the team, the program's dead. You got running, you got mid running backs that left the team and transferred out saying that everyone on the field quit.
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ah You had Anthony Jones fucking eating, eating shit up on defense and Like you have an interim coach out coaching a full-time coach and you have an offensive coordinator who has the hairline of a middle schooler just running circles around the guy that was hailed as a wonderful defensive hire two years ago.
00:06:44
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You have basketball players telling the best player to transfer out. Yeah. yeah that That's great. but You have mom team moms responding to Chad Lads.
00:06:57
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That's a normal thing, though. That's that's not as far from the first time that has happened. But yes, that's a thing. um Yeah. So, fuck. Yeah.
00:07:10
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I guess this is more of a... For everybody anybody that's actually listening, this is to be more of a ah struggle session ah episode. So i guess, like, to get it started, I guess, like, how did we get here?
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don't fucking know. are I... Because our AD went rogue and decided cared more about competing than championships. And he kept saying the word compete over and over again. You can bitch. He got a nice guy with high floor and didn't want to win championships.
00:07:41
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He just wanted a high floor, win eight games a year like a fucking bitch-ass Iowa. You can bitch about the hire all you want, man, but everybody said it was a good hire when it happened. Hindsight is 20-20, dude. i have a strong belief that the reason that people believe that is because the national media doesn't respect us as a national title contender. It's not what it was. It's what it was. It's kind of viewed the D'Antonio era as like an outlier, and they just want us to be this nice, feel cute little underdog thing that wins eight games a year and fucks off when the big boys come.
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So who you who would you – you would have gotten like Jed Fish. Dude,
Recruitment Challenges and Decommitments
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would have hired Fish. I would have hired Glenn Schumann. I would have – Jed Fish would have left. Jed Fish would have left.
00:08:27
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there he He would have left for another job. He does it every fucking job he goes to. Okay, fine. But like at least you're in a better position than you are right now.
00:08:40
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um Is it – like I miss Harlan Barnett right now. That's how bad it is. Let's calm down. right Do you want me to bring up the things you said when Harlan Burnett was the head coach?
00:08:53
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Go ahead. Because I miss him. I can go and find him.
00:08:58
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yeah so Go ahead and do it because that's what I felt like about him. I am with you guys. i am out. um I'm out unless something fucking miraculous happens. If goes like seven and five,
00:09:12
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beats Michigan, you give him a Napier year, right? think that we're kind of in agreement on that. Yes,
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He gets another year if he goes naep full Napier.
00:09:28
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um Yeah, I don't know. I mean, everyone did say it was a good hire. The alternatives at the time would have been Fish, um Elka, which is never going to come here, I guess.
00:09:45
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Oh, um And then, after the fact, Kalen DeBoer.
00:09:55
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and None of those were happening other than Signetti. If he got offered the job here, he would have came. But he's also, what, 62, 63? Yeah.
00:10:05
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um mean I know hindsight hindsight's a bitch, but that's what we were all saying, right? I said it. you think Do you think Haller would have given him the money and support to do what he's doing? no Yeah. So I don't know if Kirk came here. i don't know if it would have worked either. probably wouldn't have been the same. He's not. Yeah. yeah Because like Indiana, doesn't Indiana have Mark Cuban like just dumping money into the program? Now he owns that is. This is the first time. i think it was like a week ago. He said he was dumping money in because said it was because of the football program.
00:10:34
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So prior to Cuban or prior to a week ago, like Signetti was probably didn't have as many resources as he has now. Right. He still had a decent amount of resources. He was pulling guys in from the portal.
00:10:48
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He still won 11 games in year one. Like, yeah. And I'm not saying Smith has to have to do that, but like, can we recruit better than like USF or some shit?
00:11:00
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i didn't I thought the recruiting was going okay until everything went to shit the next couple weeks. and thought it would I didn't think it was great, but I didn't think it was... yeah Now they're going to lose everybody. They were doing like the things that they were doing that you can do without trying, I guess, which is like the talent identification, which is like great.
00:11:20
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like They identified talent, yeah then you lose them all because you're not trying. like They could didn't do anything in in the bye week to just like ah continue anything with the relationships. They just like, oh yeah, I need the talent, brought it to campus.
00:11:35
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think they knew the writing was on the wall with those two guys. And that's why they didn't waste their time, which I kind of understand.
00:11:42
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But, like, with those guys that transferred, if this program had any fucking juice to it right now? Or, sorry, do commit it? If this program had any fucking juice to it right now? mean, these are two guys that are out of region, man. So who the fuck knows?
00:11:55
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ah regard looks like that it kind of does But regardless... These guys... ah regardless now they It doesn't matter because it was chalked anyways with the way the fucking team is.
00:12:08
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So... So, I guess, like, going back to the thread, like, how we got here, I think it's like... ah So, Zanjo, you're chalking it up to... Alan
00:12:24
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Heller? total and utter failure do anything right. Okay. Okay. I'm hypothetical here. I'm out now. I'm definitely out now.
00:12:37
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He goes seven five He beats Michigan. Do you give him an AP year? You kind of have to yeah Right? You kind of don't have a choice.
00:12:47
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You don't pay the buyout. That 7-5 was technically the was technically the goal You, I guess it's, i for me, it's like, how does he get to It would be hard.
00:13:01
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Yeah. but the only guaranteed loss is probably Indiana. yeah Because the rest of the schedule is shit. yeah The teams are not good. i mean, I know we suck. I have well aware, but...
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mean, what do you got? got minutes You got Penn State. come Michigan at home. Minnesota on the road. Penn State at home. Penn State at home. And then Iowa. And coach. And
Coaching Changes and Program Direction
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backup quarterback.
00:13:29
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Right. If this staff has any fucking balls, they can do that. But I don't think they do. Give a – Like, we all have to hold our nose and kind of fuck it I'm saying – saying give them an apiary here. Yeah. Yeah.
00:13:45
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where if yeah And and seven on honestly, like that 7-5, if he goes seven and five gets another year, I think that is the best-case scenario.
00:13:56
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like We know it's over, but it's the best-case scenario where we have a coach for three years. We fire them after the third. buyout is slightly lower. But it's like, all right. like it does it make It gets a little bit of that um toxic stink of firing somebody after two years out.
00:14:17
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a little bit. And then in a year, we're not competing against like
00:14:23
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everybody that we're going be competing this cycle with, I guess. I don't know. That's how I look at it. Look at all all these schools that going to have openings. Florida is probably going to be open.
00:14:36
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If you listen to any any national whatever right now, I think everyone's kind of come to the conclusion that if we were to fire Smith, it would be the right move. So I don't think it's it's not really like Penn State where everyone kind of looks and goes, what the fuck? These coaches are different, though. It's like a fraternity for a lot of these guys, and they all talk to each other.
00:14:58
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I don't really think what they care what the media says. It's more of, hey, you only gave this guy a year and a half, and you told him to get out. What the hell are you to to also to look at it and be like, this guy only won eight games in two years.
00:15:16
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don't it's Chad. I'm trying to think of guys that have gotten fired in two years. Chad Morris. Is that the only Tagger two. So you got two dudes.
00:15:28
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There's new guys this year. Belichick's going to be fired up for year one. Yeah, Belichick is a totally different situation. That's just a total fucking disaster. What was this?
00:15:39
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I don't disagree on this at all, but that's year one, and they're talking about fire. That is a special disaster. I also think that you're going to start seeing more year two firings now. like Okay, Sherron Moore, Michigan fans want Sherron Moore fired now. He's not going to get fired, though, unless he loses to us.
00:15:54
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Yeah, but he's also doing a hell of a lot better than we are. It's not a very high bar there, my friend. That's my point, though. They are delusional enough to think that they are as good, that they should be as good as they were during the cheating years. and but point out of their minds if they actually think that's true.
00:16:09
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I don't think year two firings going to be something crazy new, like crazy going forward. I think this is going to be a thing that happens lot.
00:16:20
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Yeah, I mean, i saw that somebody like I saw somebody talk about it yesterday or tweet something like college coaching contracts are going to probably go the way of pro coaching content contracts where like buyouts are reduced and more money is instead allocated towards the player pool. And they will have shorter contracts.
00:16:39
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Yeah. I would agree with that. I think that would be a good move because like, ah what is Jonathan Smith doing that deserves like $7 million dollars a year? Once again, is it five or seven?
00:16:50
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What's doing with $7 a year? I'm telling you, man, the dream goal in life is to be a fired power conference coach, man. Yeah. Hell, these motherfuckers, I cannot believe how much money these dudes are making. It is insane.
00:17:05
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What is like the thing with like like college coaches just going full- dipshit the moment Alan Haller hands him a bag. Like, it happened with Tucker and it happened with John. al They just, like, go from, like, strivers and, like, fucking grind set to all of a sudden they're just like, oh, oh, oh.
00:17:27
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I don't think the issue with Smith is that he's going full moron. I think he just isn't that good of a coach. I think a lot of people were just I think people overrate a hard to just win seven or eight games in place of Oregon State. The 10-year season was a good year, but the year after. just don't think he's a fit.
00:17:43
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don't think he's a bad coach. I don't think he's a fit. don't think he fits in. And I said that from the start. I said my biggest worry about him is he had zero ties to the Midwest. I didn't know if he was to understand how it works here.
00:17:57
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It's pretty obvious at this point he doesn't get it So that's my I don't think he's a bad coach. I think he's going to go somewhere out West. He's going to take a group of five jobs somewhere. He'll be fine. And then he'll get another, he'll get a yeah ah power conference job out West somewhere and he'll do fine.
00:18:13
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i don't think it's i don't think he's a bad coach. I think he does not fit. ah Yeah. Yeah. Honestly. Yeah. Yeah. We got Brady Hoke. We went from Rich Rodriguez to Brady Hoke.
00:18:27
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So we our next hire is going be our Harbaugh, which means that in 10 years we'll probably cheat to a national championship. which is I don't think he's a bad coach, guys. I think you guys are – I think that hegan like he doesn't fit.
00:18:38
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it's it's Look at how he did at Oregon State, though. like He had the 10-win season, good year. 2022, so COVID is still a thing. 2023, they lose all their games against ranked teams.
00:18:50
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They lose to 5-7 Wazoo. They hitched their wagon to DJU. They won eight games. They won eight? But they won eight games with DJU, man. That's an accomplishment to me. What the fuck are you talking about? I didn't have DJU as their quarterback. Because Goldbranson was that shitty.
00:19:07
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he was that bad. and suck not that too Yeah, Go Branson was so bad he wasn't even the backup quarterback, dude. He was the first straight. Development with Childs isn't there. Development with no one's there. All right.
00:19:21
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I know people are going to bitch about Childs, but his offensive line is dog ass. He gets hit every week. but My problem is he's getting Joe building. The best thing I can compare him to is Joe building. He's getting Joe building. There's this his offensive line stuck so much that he is afraid he's going to get hit every single play.
00:19:44
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I'm telling you, dude, if he transfers and he goes to like power conference school next year, he's with an offensive line. He's going to be fine. is it no guy like I'm child guy. I agree. I know you are. I'm just pointing out people are bitching about him all the time. He's not the problem. He's not. The whole the point is development across the board is shit.
00:20:06
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It's not just child. and Yeah, but that's the example you brought up. But I agree with you. Like, who's better? Let's bring it let's bring it back to like the topic. I guess you kind of started with this. But like when did you guys know that this wasn't going to work?
00:20:23
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Nebraska.
00:20:26
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Oh, wow. The day you were hired and people started talking him competing instead of winning championships. oh um Nebraska. Nebraska, when he said after the game, I didn't see anything wrong with the offensive tackles.
00:20:37
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That was when I was okay, dude. and Nobody could see that. the The actual moment I thought it was going to be a complete train wreck was about the third quarter of the UCLA game.
00:20:50
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um For me, it was definitely Nebraska sealed the deal. There's like, ah this is a problem. um Well, all right. Nebraska is like, yeah, I don't think this is going to work out. UCLA was like, this is over.
00:21:05
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um Michigan last year. Yeah. At the moment, I was like, oh, yeah, no, I mean, he's just got he's not from here. it' work It'll work his way in. But there were some things that happened as a result during that game and coming after that game that were a little sauce.
00:21:22
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And then just like how game how those games – yeah, exactly. And like how we completely imploded. we imploded after Michigan. Whereas like – Yeah, we completely imploded after Michigan.
00:21:35
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um There was just like no fire or sense of urgency during the Michigan game when we were down by 14. The s c game was the same way. They were up and down 14. They were doing the same thing.
00:21:53
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There was no sense of urgency. Everyone in the building against Michigan knew Alex Orgy was not going to throw the ball except for a defensive coaches. Oh, yeah. Speaking of not knowing everybody in the building knowing what you're going to do, how the fuck?
00:22:06
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and yeah i I said to Lucas, he's sitting right next to me. was like, hey, whats they're going run a fake punt here. Hey, everybody knew they were going to run a fake punt on that fucking play. Hey, guys, they ran a fake punt. They got a first... Who could have fucking seen that coming?
00:22:22
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Everybody but the fucking coaches. So even the players, even the players lined up against that fake punt, saw it fucking coming, and they did not react to it in time. Because, I bet you half the players were like, ooh.
00:22:34
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Because they, like, like was said, it was... They they quit. But, yeah. Like – and I think that was, like, the general thing that was established since the Michigan game last year is, like, there is no sense of urgency by the staff. There really isn't – there hasn't been, like, a situational awareness or, like, trying to change up what you're doing. They always will run the same thing. I think the reason why the Iowa game looked so good last year is because they were playing against somebody with an equally bad sense of urgency.
00:23:01
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Like, an equally slow team. Like – They just like... hurt like yeah Kirk and Jonathan Smith are just a Spider-Man pointing Spider-Man meme. Yeah.
00:23:12
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And it's fucking weird because Kirk Ferentz is 70 and Jonathan Smith is 45. Like...
00:23:20
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I would expect like, like there was, there was more fucking juice in, um in Mark D'Antonio in 2019 when he was like halfway out the door. Then there has been in like any of the coaching plans or in the game plans that I've seen in the past year since Iowa.
00:23:37
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And it's just like the same problems turn themselves up. It's like you USC. It's like there no sense of urgency. Nebraska. Once we got down seven, it was just like, Oh, all right. Well, let's just run our same fucking game plan.
00:23:52
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uh, field and 30 degree winds. Yeah, it's just like, they're like, there's like no adjustments. And so when when they blew the lead against Nebraska, was like, yeah, I don't know if this is going to work. And then when they shat the bed in the first quarter against UCLA, I was like, yeah, this is fucking over. Like, I don't see them winning this game after like, after they went down fourteen seven against UCLA, I'm like, they're not winning this game.
00:24:26
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There was zero juice. I was at the game because I'm a fucking idiot. When Jalen Berger gets fucking two touchdowns, that was like – It was three. It was three. Three touchdowns. Three touchdowns. That was – he basically put the bullet in the fucking dying corpse of Michigan State football.
00:24:42
Speaker
He said he thought that we quit. Let's talk about a little timeline of events here, right? He gets hired. Hal talks about competing instead of championships. He goes to the Michigan game.
00:24:53
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He gets outcoached, and, like, Michigan wanted it more. They fall apart after Michigan. They sign a Mac-caliber recruiting class. They come in into this year. They look okay to start the year. They get outcaned by 200 yards against USC.
00:25:06
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They fall apart against Nebraska. And then don't show up against the worst team in the Big Ten. like And that might be Wisconsin or us. UCLA might be cooking, bro.
00:25:19
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They're the coach. There's like six things you can look and be like, this is the moment where like this is fucked. Yeah. I'm telling you, man.
00:25:31
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I knew, like I said, I knew that These guys were probably in over their heads. He said during that press conference after the press game, I didn't see anything wrong with the tackles.
00:25:44
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First of all, it's crazy that you didn't see anything wrong with the fucking tackles. The two fucking timeouts. The timeouts. The timeouts. The fucking timeouts. And then second of all, how the fuck is there not somebody on that headset telling you, hey, dude, this guy's getting blown off the fucking ball.
00:26:04
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Every single snap. He's he's given up. Nebraska's defensive line sucks, by the way. They're fucking horrible. He's like, oh how is somebody not on the headset telling him from the booth, if he can't fucking see it, which is ridiculous in the first place, how the fuck is there nobody telling him, hey, you have to pull him.
00:26:23
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Get him the fuck out of the game. How is nobody telling him this? That's just ridiculous. I can't believe this shit. It's fucking weird It's insane.
00:26:34
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i don't know if you guys caught this during the UCLA game. um You probably turned it off by then. or left the game, but I think mid-third quarter, Charles takes a helmet-to-helmet targeting hit.
00:26:48
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The announcers were talking about, like, like oh, yeah, there it's going go to review, and then um nothing happened. Nothing happened. Jonathan Smith was standing there the sideline looking like like like no reaction.
00:27:04
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I saw the clip. I didn't see it alive. I had left, but yes.
00:27:10
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ah childs came our childs childs Childs moved from Pasadena to fucking Corvallis, fucking Oregon, and then followed his ass to East Lansing, Michigan, from fucking California, to play for this guy, and then this guy couldn't gather up a fucking single flame in his body to get into the ref's face about like getting blown up in the head like that?
00:27:32
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but like Okay, so when you see that, doesn't it make sense why all these guys are decommitting? Why we're not able to land anyone? Nobody cares about the fucking shit he's doing on the sideline if you win.
00:27:43
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That's the thing. Right, but he's not winning either. There's plenty coaches that you look at that are like this. and our um the so Even D'Antonio, yes, he would get in the ref's face every once a while. Most of the time, he was even keeled on the sideline.
00:27:56
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That's not the thing. it's The these guys on the fucking staff are just in over their fucking heads at this point. It is very fucking... Everything. oh more that conference sorry i Sorry to interrupt you guys. That brought up... ah ah Ryan, that brought up something that I now, in hindsight, I'm like, actually kind of like, this should have been a red flag. But remember when like he first got hired and somebody was like, oh yeah, there were like 50 people on staff.
00:28:27
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And he's like, I don't... I don't even think we need that many. And then we're like all laughing about that. was like, yeah, that's actually pretty funny because like, like Mel Tucker had probably five guys set aside to like drive around the slingshot. In hindsight, I'm like, yeah, yeah, this tracks.
00:28:46
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and That is a good point. I didn't think about that. That is, yeah, I do remember that. That's a good point. But yeah, no, he you know what those 50 guys were probably telling? They were actually probably telling, like, Tucker, like, what was going on, but Tucker was just like, uh. Didn't give a fuck.
00:29:05
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Too busy. yeah Tucker's been looking in the student section for chicks. yeah Oh, man.
00:29:16
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Yeah, I guess... God dang, I guess like now that we're comparing staffs and all that stuff, I guess we can get to the next whatever, but is this the worst hire ever?
00:29:29
Speaker
Yeah, at least Tucker won 11 games one season, whatever the fuck it was, right? John L won eight, Bobby won seven year two. if he doesn't get to seven this year and... He's going to Muddy Waters.
00:29:42
Speaker
Then dude, yeah. Muddy Waters won't have sanctions. Yeah. So we don't even have that excuse right now.
00:29:51
Speaker
It's crazy. I can't. I thought for sure that this would at least raise the floor. That's why I was like, all right, dude. Like, you're at least not going see super shady football, right? I was worried we're going through a decade of eight and four.
00:30:06
Speaker
i had the record wrong, but. oh You had the numbers flipped. Yeah. Jesus, dude. Yeah, let's. i' I'm looking up um past records. ah Let's see.
00:30:19
Speaker
Everyone before... was the last guy we had? Tucker. My dad was at MSU. Muddy was the fucking... Yeah. John L, 8-5, Season 1. Bobby, 7-5 2001. Muddy Waters, 3-8, 5-6, 2-9.
00:30:33
Speaker
yeah um so john l eight and five season one ah bobby seven and five in two thousand and one ah muddy waters three and eight five and six two and nine There we go.
00:30:50
Speaker
He's – he's like – Smith is in like Muddy Waters territory. Crazy. Oh, God. Muddy Waters and Fish Mel Tucker 5-7.
00:31:05
Speaker
Yeah, it's like – I think like – remember like 10 years ago when – no, when a 10 – was it 10 years ago? was It was Nebraska that hired – ah nebraska that hired yeah Nebraska hired Riley. and That's a great comparison. you Oh my God. yeah That's a another Oregon State guy.
00:31:26
Speaker
It's not a great comparison. because you what's another guy do It's another guy that didn't fit. Nine games in year two? It's another guy that didn't fit at a school he got hired at. is a great That's a great point. um And also from Oregon State.
00:31:43
Speaker
Yep, yeah exactly. mike ryan Yeah, your but Zangelo's right. Mike Riley went 9-4 in 2016. Holy shit.
00:31:52
Speaker
Yeah, but he... that That hire didn't make sense from the jump. Everybody was like, what the fuck? They fired him They fired Bo Pelini for him. didn't make any fucking sense.
00:32:04
Speaker
and That's to be like Penn State firing James Franklin to hire Matt fucking Rule. It doesn't make any sense. is that paraers
00:32:15
Speaker
Yeah, but then Scott Frost got five seasons after going four and eight, five and seven, three and five, three and nine, and then four and eight. It's amazing what a guy having connections to the school, what goodwill they can give you. That is truly incredible.
00:32:30
Speaker
Nepotism. Pass it on. I mean, do you see this guy like winning seven games? If he doesn't do it this year, he's not doing it next year.
00:32:42
Speaker
If he stays. We're not. This college football crazy shit can happen, but I sure as shit wouldn't bet on it. There's one game left that I think we're winning. It's Penn State because Penn State's fucked right now. Yeah, probably.
00:32:57
Speaker
i mean... Yeah, Malik Washington in a dome with this secondary. They're going to get fucking cooked. really going skip the Detroit game again.
00:33:08
Speaker
I was like, I'm going to skip it again. yeah I'm going to get offered a free ticket again, and I'm not going go. Yeah. So, I mean, yeah, I think it's safe to say that, yeah, he is pro he is on track to becoming, like, being the worst coach since fucking Muddy Waters. Because I don't see him having an eight-win season here like the OG John Smith team.
00:33:33
Speaker
Instead of keep cha instead keep chopping, he's just staring you into the abyss. yeah mean, goes 7-5 this year, he has chance –
00:33:42
Speaker
being Bobby Williams. Then you've got momentum. you've got If you go 7-5 this year, you've got a little bit of momentum going into the next season. Oh, you can... you You know, and I think they'll open up the checkbook at that point for portal guys. They better, because if they do the same shit on the fucking defensive lines they did this offseason, it's going to be the same bullshit.
00:34:03
Speaker
So they if... Yeah, it'd be a 4-2 finish with a win over U of m and Penn State. So, like, yeah, yeah that's pretty good. You're probably getting people to buy back in at least for next year.
00:34:14
Speaker
People that matter. We don't... What we think doesn't fucking matter. I'm talking people that matter. Yeah. um So, I guess that, like, yeah, i guess...
Administrative Failures Impacting Football
00:34:25
Speaker
We are, ah I think we went over this, but yeah, I think like we're in at the moment, we're in a worse position than we were i um the week before the 2013 UW game, our University of Washington game.
00:34:42
Speaker
At least Jonathan Smith and inherited a roster with talent. I don't know what the fuck this guy's inheriting. He had Derek Harmon on it. wasn't developed talent. and Yeah, and they wouldn't pay him.
00:34:53
Speaker
And he left. oh Yeah. I mean, he's still a Big Ten roster. He may not have been like upper level, but like it was still a Big Ten roster. There were guys last year that, I mean, it's the same it might be the same this We'll see how the IU gets.
00:35:07
Speaker
There were guys that straight up quit. not You might have seen that. I don't want to accuse anybody of quitting. do. No, no, no, no. Hold up. Let me talk. I don't want to accuse anybody of quitting yet, because if I see dudes doing the same shit next week, know it's over.
00:35:25
Speaker
I know it's done. that point, just fucking end
00:35:32
Speaker
There were dudes last year that died in the year that quit. And they didn't want to be here. and there might I wouldn't be shocked if there's guys on this team that are like that. But there were dudes last year that straight up quit.
00:35:44
Speaker
but over or not talkize Over under two weeks.
00:35:51
Speaker
For quitting or for firing? For firing, yeah I think is what he means. That's Indiana and Michigan and then going into the bye week.
00:36:00
Speaker
That's a good question. I think if they get shit kicked in the Michigan game, dude, with a lot of empty seats, then I think it's over.
00:36:12
Speaker
yeah If it's like 49-0 again, think it's we made. They'll fire him on Sunday morning. and If it's like 10-7, if it's like three-point loss, and it'll be the assistants will get fired.
00:36:26
Speaker
Yeah, and then they'll... He should be doing now. <unk> sorry yeah Sorry to hijack this again, but why the fuck is Trent Bray not over here yet?
00:36:37
Speaker
don't think you can... Because it's the middle of the fucking season? Yeah. Probably because of some bad stuff. They should just fire a coordinator at this point.
00:36:47
Speaker
Yeah. Especially if things go as I think they're going to go this weekend, they need to fire coordinator. Just fucking at least show they're doing something. Give the people what they want.
00:36:59
Speaker
Just bring D'Antonio down and let him coach When the fuck is the last time we fired a coordinator? Let him be DC. D'Antonio didn't fire any of them. He didn't fire single coordinator.
00:37:10
Speaker
D'Antonio found Rouchard a job. He found him job with the Saints. He was the offensive line coach. But that wasn't really a firing. he finally he found up the stage with the sage he was ah offensive line coach but that was that that was really a firing and fuck was the last time we fired a coordinator? Mel Tucker fired Ron Burton.
00:37:29
Speaker
I wasn't a coordinator, though. Mel Tucker fired a little. That was an offensive line coach. Yeah, that's right. Ron Burton was actually a good coach. I know. Which makes it funny. He got rid of Ron Burton and brought in, like, fucking, what's his name? Brandon T. Jordan. Oh, fucking Brandon Jordan. Oh, my God. I totally forgot about that shit, man.
00:37:49
Speaker
Holy fuck. That's ah come get a word come to got Come to East Lansing and get this work. Bro was the Seahawks defensive line coach for like six weeks and then he got fired and he was done. And then he went to Ohio State for a few weeks. He was done there. Yeah.
00:38:05
Speaker
don't know what the fuck he's doing now. and oh Speaking of ah coach candidates and assistants from other programs, I have a candidate for us.
00:38:17
Speaker
You know where I'm going with this. An idea?
00:38:24
Speaker
I don't even want to say don't want to say it. I want hear this. want to hear it. Fat Patricia. Can
00:38:36
Speaker
you imagine how many people would show up to J-Bat's house if that happened?
00:38:42
Speaker
holy shit i think what you'll see is an actual like you'll actually see like a hostile takeover of the tom iso building it would look like jan 6th you'll have like you'll have like sd like out in the front just fucking building eight building a guillotine or some shit yes yeah Oh my fucking God.
00:39:09
Speaker
I guess like, um yeah, like I'm going to go over some things in the, in the outline. i wanted to get to um one thing that Zandra put in here is, were you meet too mean to Harlan Barnett?
00:39:23
Speaker
Yes. Oh, I miss him. Dude, you learned i mean you were very mean Harlan Burnett. Yeah. You were extremely mean to Harlan Burnett.
00:39:35
Speaker
I thought he was rock bottom. Holy shit. At least the guys played for him. What is going on right now? and
00:39:43
Speaker
yeah guys I think a lot of guys quit that year too. We have fucking Mel Tucker guys calling them out. Yeah, that is pretty much rock bottom. and And Jalen Berger was a shitty player here too.
00:39:55
Speaker
And that's the worst part of it. Bobby Williams guys calling out guys for getting in trouble off the field.
00:40:01
Speaker
um And then i guess like Is it possible for us to – want to know if any lawyers out there can tell us whether we can sue Alan Haller for Jonathan Smith's buyout.
00:40:16
Speaker
Can I sue MSU for the last five years of watching football? Or the Kenneth Walker season? No, but they're going to sue you in raising ticket prices.
00:40:30
Speaker
Yeah.
00:40:33
Speaker
Hey, they got Little Caesars now. Dude, I can't believe I'd still spend money on this. What the fuck? So, it's like, yeah. Oh, my God. Like, i just... This sucks.
00:40:49
Speaker
And, like, the problem is... So many times, like, questioning what the fuck is wrong with me over, like, the last five years. It just gets worse and worse. Don't fuck though, because this is the first time I've had hope in like two years. Dude.
00:41:03
Speaker
No, this is even worse than hope. Because like, we're going to go into this in the next section. Like, this is like the fucking worst time like... these fucking jobs are going to open up this cycle, man. God fucking damn it. This is the worst time to hire a fucking coach. If we were to open.
00:41:20
Speaker
so word open blue white Right now, I think we'd be the second or third best job open. Yeah, but look at all the shit that's going open up. You got Florida. They still haven't fired Napier. You got Auburn. They haven't fired Freeze.
00:41:32
Speaker
Fuck, who else? Oklahoma State's open. Auburn's firing Hugh Freeze. He's fucking cooked, dude. There's no way they're bringing him back. They're done. He came into the season on the hot seat. There's no fucking way he keeps his job.
00:41:46
Speaker
Who else is getting fired? Third or fourth best? Penn State, Florida, Auburn. I've seen fifth. I've seen fifth out of jobs that are going to open. So you've got Penn State, Florida, get Auburn, Florida State. They might open up too. Yeah.
00:42:00
Speaker
Norvell's buyout's $60 million. They will pay the fucking buyout to get him They're not rich. Yes, they will. have that much money. they will They're going to find nudes. They will find nudes. They will find a way to fire him. I can promise you. yeah There's no way he is the coach there next year.
00:42:15
Speaker
ah they go probably They lost to Pat Narduzzi at home. man They lost to Pat Narduzzi at home. How the fuck do you keep him? ah Yeah, they'll probably find like, they'll find like woke texts on his phone and be like, hey, like that's against Florida state law or whatever.
00:42:33
Speaker
You joke about that, but that's actually very much on the table. It's actually probably a pretty good idea. oh my God. Yeah, so they're probably the fifth best job out of everything that's going to open as of now.
00:42:46
Speaker
oh Who's better? Who's better? who's Who's better that's the out of the schools I named? Name four. Some people trying to argue Wisconsin, trying to argue UNC, and that shit is just
National Perception and Recruitment Challenges
00:43:00
Speaker
not vibing with me. I'm not buying that at all.
00:43:02
Speaker
it's I mean, it's just a Auburn, Florida, and Penn State. And if FSU opens, then sure. then Yeah. Okay. I think we're all in agreement on that, right? was like Wisconsin is the favorite assistant coaches. Yeah, Wisconsin's not a better job than Michigan State, especially since there's not divisions anymore.
00:43:18
Speaker
North Carolina's more rock bottom than we have. yeah Yeah. UNC is, like, very similar to us in the fact that they can't get out of their own way. Their board of trustees are worse than ours, man.
00:43:31
Speaker
ah the fuck do you have board of trustees worse than Michigan State's? Arkansas might just hire Petrino. Yeah, know. They lose? They lost this week, right?
00:43:43
Speaker
Yeah, by three. Man, they almost beat Tennessee. Jesus. Tells you how much I want to pay attention to football. Anyway, sorry. we're saying We're saying that there's like four better programs than us right now. Yeah.
00:43:58
Speaker
don't I don't want to go to bat this fucking but you might not have chance. Well, there's three better programs for the guy I want. And who's the guy that you want?
00:44:08
Speaker
No, you want. Mr. James Franklin, come on down. No. No, man. He's not the number one guy. He's not. You can't make him the number one guy. I'd be the number one guy.
00:44:24
Speaker
I'd take Golis before I'd take fucking Franklin. and and You can give me a buy-in on Franklin, by the way. As much as I was against it yesterday, you could probably find a scenario. I've thought of scenarios you would give me a buy-in. No buy-out.
00:44:35
Speaker
No buy-out. The recruits – the recruits that he – his recruits for upcoming season are all, like, they can't believe they fired him. um And that's about it ah for me, I guess. I don't know. I mean – He would bring in talent.
00:44:50
Speaker
But my problem is you know what he is. He's not – My thing with Franklin is – okay, so it's not like you got blown out by all these in all these big games. got to have one score. You have to kind of hope that the luck evens itself out.
00:45:02
Speaker
Some of them, they have to lose some them. They got their ass kicked. Some of them they kept close. them they got the shit you got of them. i mean they Most of them are close. The Michigan game, in 2018, they got absolutely fucking shithoused. They got shithoused by Ohio State, I think, a couple times.
00:45:20
Speaker
there's one They've had a couple where they were not that close. um The other thing you'd have to guarantee me um is that he still actually wants the coach.
00:45:31
Speaker
I don't want to get in a situation with like Mel Tucker post jerk off or Jonathan Smith post everything where it just seems like a check down inside and trying to collect paychecks. Or like or like Jimbo Fisher in A&M. Like I don't want that.
00:45:44
Speaker
If he wants to coach, I'll take him. If he doesn't want to, get like I don't want him. I'm sure that he would be extremely motivated if he was here to want to stick it to Penn State every single year because he is one of the most petty people on planet Earth.
00:45:57
Speaker
Which I actually respect. Which he did to us, remember, in 2016? He ran the fucking score up. Yeah. and um i were Because we rent a ran the score up. We ran the score on them the year before. Yeah.
00:46:08
Speaker
Because we had, which Jack, was it Jack? Jack Allen ran for a touchdown. Yeah. ah At that point, like he should be, there's no one more established than him. There's more there's no one with a clear ceiling as high as him.
00:46:27
Speaker
There's no one with a clear median as high as him. My things that worry me about him, one, I think he'd bring in talent, but it wouldn't be the same amount talent he brings in to Penn State because they have a bigger brand. Remember that when Jonathan Smith was hired, we had a higher assistant coaching that up pool than Penn State did.
00:46:49
Speaker
like we have money do we I'm not doubting the money that we have. I'm saying they have a bigger brand than we do. I'm not saying the money would be a problem. If he gets hired here, he would cut the part of the contingency on him getting hired here would be us giving him a war chest to spend a shit load of money.
00:47:07
Speaker
I don't have any question about that. That's a contingency for anyone. we are especially i war Especially him. I think anyone. like No one's going to succeed here don't have the n NIL war chest. it's like That's just the reality.
00:47:23
Speaker
Probably, but I think that he would... for a special type of war chest is my point. Here's the other thing. Getting him would give you instant credibility in the same way that like Urban Meyer would.
00:47:38
Speaker
Not quite to that level, but like... I was going to say, let's calm down there, Chief. Yeah. It's irrelevant. Like you go from being basically the most irrelevant program in the conference to being right up there with the most relevant. People care about...
00:47:55
Speaker
It's like hiring Bill Belichick, right? Even if it doesn't work out, people talk about you. Well, so du there is a – well, okay. Well, people – the problem is is like the the two other names that you brought up didn never coached ah in the NIL era. And when one of them did, got his ass blown out by – who the fuck they play? Like – ah gaen I don't know who they played so hard. They got shit by Clemson, TCU, and UCF.
00:48:20
Speaker
They lost by combined score of like 130 to 33 or some fucking shit. Okay, let's say Deion. He's still the best coach Colorado's had in like 30 years. So like... but point That's Mel Tucker disrespect.
00:48:35
Speaker
Mel Tucker disrespect.
00:48:39
Speaker
Ironically, Mel Tucker's probably number two on that list. Yeah.
00:48:44
Speaker
um i You could get me to buy in on it, but there's no way i'm making him my number one choice. I do. Golis is another guy, you could tell me. It would take Golis in a heartbeat over fucking Franklin.
00:48:58
Speaker
I don't think Golis is going to come here anyway, so does a I don't think it fucking matters. Golis has D'Antonio ties, right? Yes. I think D'Antonio helped him get his first college job at Toledo or some shit. Oh, no shit. didn't know that.
00:49:14
Speaker
i read the Mark, if you want to save what you built, if you want to make sure what you built is going to last, you get on that phone.
00:49:26
Speaker
you you you get you you you You drive your golf cart at your Florida house. You drive your golf cart over to Orlando. Um... You get out of that golf cart. You go to the UCF football building, wherever the fuck it is.
00:49:42
Speaker
And you bring some bring Alex Golesh the best pot of borscht you can find in Florida and be like, hey, i helped you i helped you start your career.
00:49:56
Speaker
i need you, Alex, to come and save what I have built. Just do not ever ask him about geopolitics. That's the only rule. Well, that wouldn't be a problem because ah he will – I think that's actually a net plus because that means he could hire Max Bola as his defensive coordinator. I don't know if I'm crazy, though, but doesn't it feel like James Franklin's more gettable than Alex Golis is right now?
00:50:25
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, for sure. i think Golis is probably – yeah. Yeah, I think he's going to Florida. I feel like he'd probably be Florida's first choice.
00:50:35
Speaker
He's already down there.
00:50:39
Speaker
can't believe they haven't fired Napier yet. He has like an $18 million buy-off and he's still the fucking coach. It's crazy. I think they're just getting the funds ready. They're ready to fire him. like It's going to happen.
00:50:52
Speaker
Oh, yeah. I'm not down. It's going to happen. I just can't believe it hasn't happened yet. I can't do this. I can't believe James Franklin didn't last as long as Napier did. That is crazy. I can't believe this shit, man. 15 days ago, they had fucking they had the whole entire ah football ball world paying attention to them. They were up by 7 in overtime against Oregon. 15 days later, he's losing a home to fucking Northwestern on homecoming.
00:51:19
Speaker
That's just insane. I was like, i had a wedding and i was standing next to my buddy who went to Penn State. He's New Jersey Italian. So of course he's, he went to Penn State. um And I'm like, he's like watching on his phone during this, and during reception, kind of like what I was doing the week before against USC, but I was like kind of doing the fent lean because I was like, fucked I was so fucking drunk.
00:51:42
Speaker
But he was like just looking at his phone and I could tell like the exact moment Allard threw that pick. And i was like, I think that's when like the program, his program died. or at least like Frank, that's when career, that's, that's when Franklin's job died.
00:51:57
Speaker
and then was like, I know that feeling buddy. And here we are two weeks later, he doesn't have a coach and our program still has theirs, but it's just equally dead. ah Penn state alum could have knocked up their like wife,
00:52:11
Speaker
the night before the college football semifinal game, named their feet as James, and now Frank go to be out of a job before that baby's born. Oh, wow.
00:52:22
Speaker
Wow. That's all fast it happened. It was seven days ago. That's crazy, man. That is just insane to me that he got – I knew that it ran its course, man, but Jesus, that's just crazy to me.
00:52:39
Speaker
I still can't believe that. I would have thought they'd give him until the end of the year, at least, and see, like, maybe even, like, next year. Yeah, he's building fucking goodwill. But, I mean, it' shit, Mike Gundy got fucking fired in the middle of the season, too, and he was the best coach i Oklahoma State's ever had by far, and it's not even fucking close. They gave Gundy the mulligan year.
00:52:56
Speaker
They didn't give Franklin the mulligan year. That's true. So, I guess...
00:53:05
Speaker
I guess, like, let's – we've talked about two guys. I guess, like, let's go through your guys' lists, I guess. I mean, it's, like, weird that we even have a list. The guy's not even fired, but, like, we all – it just feels so fucking over. I guess, Ryan, what's your list?
00:53:22
Speaker
I have Golish first. I think he's the best candidate. I don't think he'd come here.
00:53:30
Speaker
man didn't even really do it all i haven't done shitload of research yet i'll be totally honest with you i could yeah i could buy in on franklin i'm i mean i'm just still worn out with this fucking shit right now that i'm just trying to get through the season to be honest with you because it's so goddamn bad but uh i could be talking to franklin but i have some stipulations you got to give them a shitload of money to hire coordinators he's not He's a CEO coach. He's not a good X-S-O-N-O guy. he fucks up with timeouts all the fucking time.
00:54:04
Speaker
Gotta give him good coordinators.
00:54:08
Speaker
You gotta to give him a war chest of NIL money.
00:54:15
Speaker
mean The first year won like eight games. Seven. He won seven his first year at Penn State.
00:54:23
Speaker
Okay, I'll do i i'll go down to seven. But those are the two guys that I looked at. and I know that he would talk mad mad shit about Michigan, too. So, like, I'm, like, 100% that would give me a five-minute change for me. Because I know at his first press conference, he's shit-talking to you about Like, there is no way he's not saying some shit.
00:54:47
Speaker
So, I would be bought in. to probably buy in no matter who the fucking coach is I'm a goddamn idiot. And you're going to be able to convince me because I'm a fucking sucker and I keep on doing this bullshit.
00:55:00
Speaker
But Cole, I should be number one guy. I would go after him first and I don't think going to want come him here. I don't think Franklin's going to want to come here either. I think he's going to want to play Florida.
00:55:12
Speaker
I don't think Flora's going after Franklin. I think Flora's going go after a guy with more younger and more Dude, they have gotten to the point where I think that they're fucking sick and tired of cycling through coaches all the fucking time, that they'll deal with Franklin's bullshit in the honor.
00:55:31
Speaker
Maybe, but I feel like they think they can do better than that.
00:55:36
Speaker
They fired Dan Mullen after he made like three New Year's Six Bulls. Yeah, but the thing with... So Mullen stopped recruiting. That was his issue. know. I understand that. I'm well aware that he is not a... He hates recruiting.
00:55:48
Speaker
I know, but that's just... Still. Like, Napier's the first really bad hire that they've had. Even fucking Muschamp made a New Year's Six Bowl finished in the top ten. McElwain had a New Year's Six Bowl, too, I think. He had one. most guys have to see his titles.
00:56:03
Speaker
Yeah, whatever, dude. That's like what's the Big Ten list. I mean, tell. Like, it's something. George a few times, like, humped a shark, you know, normal Florida stuff. That was what, the Mark worked mark Rick years, the tail end of that shit?
00:56:18
Speaker
i think it was early, Kirby.
00:56:23
Speaker
I don't know. Those are my two that I have thought about the most. Like, for me, I've thought about Golis the most. He's a trussel guy. He's from the trussel tree.
00:56:35
Speaker
He's got ties to D'Antonio. He knows what it's like to be up here. He's got, like, hating Michigan in his heart, like you said. um He's an offensive guy, right? So I know i don't know because I'm like – I kind of like the concept of a defensive guy, but whatever.
00:56:55
Speaker
Whatever. It's 2025. I haven't really thought about anybody else. I can be sold on Franklin if we know that it's like a transitional like piece like to just like – actually rebuild the talent here um and if it's a thing that's like it will be cheaper to hire franklin then it will be to like hire an up-and-coming like i'm i i think like the past two years and whatever and all that's going around right now has like oh made me come down to earth about what we can and should get at this moment right now which is like
00:57:33
Speaker
our fucking brand is toxic right now. Our program is toxic. It's we're in the fucking shitter right now. Um, we're about to pay ah fucking asexual cock, like, uh, $30 million dollars in fuck off money.
00:57:49
Speaker
Like how the fuck does that happen? Like his agent is probably some fucking lawyer from Corvallis, Oregon. Who's like, just like his, his office like smells, it looks like that of about fucking orders.
00:58:01
Speaker
yeah, like i don't I don't get how we're in this spot. I don't fucking get it. Like, we were... I remember greatness. I feel like a fucking German... I feel like a world war a German World War one veteran, like, ready to just, like, do some pretty bad shit. um But, like, greatness. I remember greatness.
00:58:25
Speaker
oh We were stabbed in the back by the admin. It's a traditional top 25, top 20 historic program. There's no fucking excuse to be this bad.
00:58:35
Speaker
I don't give a fuck what anybody says. There is no excuse to be this bad over a fucking 10-year span. It's ridiculous. Even Tucker would have gone 6-6 if 10% of our scholarship players hadn't been suspended his last full year. That's probably actually true.
00:58:53
Speaker
They'll probably win that IU, which is This is a level of low that just we have not seen in our lifetime. It's but also just FYI. So my buddy that I said was the the Penn State guy that was watching the game at the wedding. He actually just sent me a message right now after I told him football sucks like during the UCLA game. he's like He's like, man, I usually use Penn State to get me through the Jets season.
00:59:17
Speaker
This year just fucking sucks. that would Oh my god, he oh my god i can't imagine being a Penn State and Jets fan this year. Oh my fuck.
00:59:29
Speaker
That sounds like literal hell. then you're a Penn State fan, you don't have anything else. you know Nobody gives a fuck about Penn State basketball, at least we have that.
00:59:40
Speaker
Right? like Yeah, have McKenna season, dude. Like this, like, and i let me, so back to my, like, back to my, like fucking rant about mediocrity and whatever. Like, I, I don't know. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm stuck between two places, which is we were good at,
00:59:59
Speaker
like us being really good. Wasn't something that was like 50 years ago. It was living fucking memory. Like I was living in the same neighborhood in, in here going to the same bar where I watched like the college football playoff or when I watched little giants or, we well, actually little giants. I was actually at the stadium where we watched um the punt, the, the trouble with the snap. It was, it's all living fucking memory.
01:00:23
Speaker
Like that was, that happened 10 years ago. like Um, but at the same, but now the this, this program has beaten me down over the past five years to the point where I'm like, yeah, I'm okay. Hiring a retread something. I was never okay with like two years ago. And now I'm like contemplating.
01:00:41
Speaker
like, yeah, maybe hiring Franklin is okay because it's going to be cheaper for us. Like fucking Alan Haller broke my fucking brain, broke this program. This is what happens when you hire fucking cops to do anything like,
01:00:55
Speaker
Sorry if you're a fucking cop. Like, so there's only one thing cops are good at and it's not fucking running organizations. It's not like dealing with people that you're more that are more powerful than you. It's...
01:01:08
Speaker
dealing with people that are less powerful with you. And Alan Hallard fucking clearly demonstrated that when he got, when he just like, didn't, uh, did not know how to handle any of the donors, did not know how to handle any of the administration, um, hired the only fucking coaching candidate. That was probably a bigger cuck than he is.
01:01:28
Speaker
Um, you can't get mad him for the hire though, man that's thirty man. know. I I know I can't. like You're right. I agree. It was the best hire at the time. like It was honestly the best hire.
01:01:42
Speaker
But it's like, personality-wise, there's a reason why it worked between the two of them. but No, I don't disagree. I think Alan Haller was a horrible athletic director. I don't disagree with anything you're saying. Alright, so and this is a little bit of a tangent.
01:01:58
Speaker
Do you think Alan Haller and Mark D'Antonio could have coexisted? Yes, I do. I do. i think I think Howard would have been a good AD in, like, the pre-NIL era.
01:02:10
Speaker
They were... usually new houses He was associate AD, so, like, they did have to coexist. Right. So, like, he would have he would have been a good AD, like, pre-NIL, but if you can't deal with the donors now, in today's age, you're as good as He kind of fucked himself on that.
01:02:32
Speaker
It's his own fault. we can So we can disagree or agree about whether Smith was the best hiker in that, but the way it was handled, going behind the donors' backs, that, you know, that's why he's not here anymore.
01:02:45
Speaker
To be clear, I don't want donors running No, no one does. But they should have some kind of... They be able to give input. I'm not saying what they say should be then all be all. They should be able to be given... They should be able to have input, and then the AD should be good enough to be telling them no while still jerking them off and making them come.
01:03:10
Speaker
What? Mel Tucker for AD? Mel Tucker for AD? melt talkcker for eighty
01:03:17
Speaker
Mull Tucker only jerks his own dick off. like like sexual assault With sexual assault advocate on the phone. Yeah. I mean, it has to be like, you have to be like, the thing is like are just completely told them to fuck off.
01:03:31
Speaker
A good idea is able to like make you feel important, but also like, yeah, dude, that's a wonderful idea. Like, yeah, let's talk about it. Like, here's my number. Like you call me whenever you want and then make them feel like they're heard, take their, have them write the chat and then be like, I'm like the smart one here, but like, not like it's a, it's a fine balancing act.
01:03:54
Speaker
But i i like i I don't want Ishbia running in the program. You're right. But I want Ishbia's money funding it. So it's like ah it's like a fine needle to thread or whatever. That being said, i'm like that being said like to get back to like the the topic of where I say like we go from here, i'm like part of me is also like – um see how the year ends, fire his ass, put the interim tag on Courtney Hawkins and then sit out this year.
01:04:22
Speaker
um And then Courtney Hawkins is still fucking recruiting guys with this dumpster fire. Like people still, pay people like he's still getting guys to like decommit from other schools and come here for visits.
01:04:36
Speaker
I got to talk to you about that. i have to talk to you about that specific incident. I'll talk to you about it off. I know some stuff. But i get what you're saying. like You can't do that because... Well, we're fucked. Yeah, we're kind of fucked regardless. I mean, i don't know what the fucking answer is. This is why this is why you hire J-Bad because... because he knows... You know, yeah he this is that this is what he I mean, apparently he's paid to do.
01:05:09
Speaker
Everybody had nothing but good things to say about him coming from Georgia Tech. i mean, this... and Oh, yeah. I mean, Brent Key, my thing is he doesn't really have any Midwest ties.
01:05:20
Speaker
But I sure shit would not be upset if he was a liar. I would love Brent Key. I don't think he's coming. I don't either. He's a Georgia Tech alum. If anything, he's going to stay south.
01:05:32
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I don't think Joey McGuire's coming. you seen No, no. He's got a fucking war chest. There's no way he's leaving Texas Tech. Yeah.
01:05:44
Speaker
I guess, like, Sanjo, I know who you want. You want James Franklin and what? Where does Golish stand on yours? What's your list like? So my plan A is James Franklin. Golish is plan B. I've got a list down plan, like, F. ah Next guy down will be Glenn Schumann, the Georgia defense coordinator.
01:06:04
Speaker
We've seen what the last guy can do who was there. We also what the guy before that could do. it We don't like that, but we saw the last guy could do. um No, like, George's defense is really good. um Excellent recruiter.
01:06:18
Speaker
Blue blood experience. Knows how to handle expectations. Like, I'd take him. um After that, it kind of gets a little iffy. I'm not really sure about any of these guys, but, like, it's the same idea. Like, they have blue blood experience.
01:06:32
Speaker
Know to handle expectations. High-level recruiters. Some level of success at their current job. Fran Brown, head coach Syracuse, 10-win season, recruited McCord out of the portal.
01:06:44
Speaker
um Hartline. Would you take Brett?
01:06:52
Speaker
Actually, i mean you'd have to pretty go pretty down far down the line. He knows he's going to have a good offensive line. Do you think he'd bring his line over from Illinois? Yes. i don't hoping think Brett would come.
01:07:06
Speaker
I don't think he'd leave. I agree. i don't i know i I think he's got a good thing going at Illinois. He's older. Why the fuck would he leave? We already told him to fuck off once. I don't understand. Yeah, he was like whoring out for the job before they hired Mel.
01:07:21
Speaker
Yeah. he's got sixty He's got to be like late 50s. 55. He's 55. He's younger than I thought he was. He's 55 and he looks like that. He's not lasting long. Yeah, it's also fair. The man has his own gravitational pull.
01:07:39
Speaker
Yeah. yeah Last guy i had on the list was Charles Huff. he was um He was one of the guys that here, like, on part of the last cycle. Then he took a shit right there. Him and Dicker.
01:07:49
Speaker
Him and mc Dicker both took massive shit. We're not bringing Dicker. No Dicker. No no Dicker. we're we done We're not doing that. No Dicker. no No fucking Pat Fitzgerald. don't want him. Dude, I've seen so many people say fucking Pat Fitzgerald.
01:08:05
Speaker
Do people realize how his tenure ended there? I'm not even talking about the off-field shit. Yeah. Which bad now. Yeah. he kept ah Other than the COVID year, they fucking sucked. Every single year after 2019 on, they were bad.
01:08:20
Speaker
They were fucking horrible. that's That's a horrible idea. If he wants to go to... Let him go to fucking Stanford. Let him be the coach there. I do not want him here. The last question i wrote was, how far down do you have to go before you take P.J. Fleck?
01:08:33
Speaker
Very far. Yeah. but like That is learn the program levels of you got rejected by everybody. i went through six guys right now. Number seven.
01:08:44
Speaker
my side That's like dick now it's like it's like us asking you if Dicker was going to keep Scotty. do you remember when we were doing that? Yeah. Which he did. He hired Scotty. He hired him again. He hired Scotty.
01:08:57
Speaker
ah God damn it. Oh, fuck, man. I hate that we're here right now. I mean, I like talking to you guys. I just hate that we're talking about this. I hate that this is fucking hot. I hate this shit.
01:09:08
Speaker
I think like when we ended the last season, were like, well, probably meet you guys again when we and Tom Izzo retires. Nope. We did the fucking athletic director episode.
01:09:19
Speaker
act like we don't talk like every week, multiple times. Yeah. We got... We did this. um We're gonna... We're already talking about like fucking... Like, Tom Izzo is going to win probably...
01:09:37
Speaker
like another Big Ten championship, maybe two before we ever do like an episode on him or an episode for his replacement. And even then, like, I don't even know if we're going need to do an episode. It's probably going be fucking, or a season. It's probably going to be. They are going to hire a guy in house or it's going to be somebody.
01:09:56
Speaker
Tom Izzo's career is going outlive all of us. Yeah. It'd be great. The man's going to die at like 190 years old. He'll be a coach forever. Fucking sister Jean.
01:10:08
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, i don't know. um We'll see how things shape out. Everything is just pretty hypothetical right now. I think, like we said, this is more of a struggle session than anything. um But fuck, dude. This is a bad spot.
01:10:22
Speaker
This is really shitty spot to be in Oh. It's like – because you fire him now, you're like sending a message that you're going to turn through coaches. You're – out 30 million over the next five years and now you're competing again. I'm just say that any coach that looks at what Jonathan Smith did the last two years and is somehow thinking that's unfair doesn't have that competitive desire that it takes to win anywhere. Dude, these guys said, I can do better than that.
01:10:55
Speaker
Yeah, but you have got to look at these guy i guys. Like I said, it's like a fraternity.
01:11:01
Speaker
they look at it differently than we would. They don't look at it that way. His fraternity is Chris Peterson, and retired, and Trenton Bray, who hates think that you are underestimating how highly respected he has been college football for the last five years, man.
01:11:18
Speaker
really do. i like This is a fucking disaster, and it's probably not going to work, but i I truly think that he's going to get G5 job He's kill us. so He just, he, this was too big for him.
01:11:33
Speaker
Yeah. Didn't Riley go back to Oregon state? No, no, He know no did the first time. He did the first time. No, he did the second time too. His assistant. Yeah. No, the first time ro ro Riley got, Riley took an NFL job and then he came back.
01:11:50
Speaker
No, he came back again as an assistant after Nebraska. We did.
Financial Issues at Oregon State
01:11:53
Speaker
Yeah. He was like an assistant or like analyst some shit. Yeah. yeah know you You just go back to Oregon State.
01:12:01
Speaker
don't know how the fuck that would work. they They don't have the money, and then we have to pay the difference. There's fucking sal salary. I don't think that... I don't really care, but I'm just saying... for them They don't have any fucking money. They're broke as shit.
01:12:15
Speaker
You can the $3 million dollar buyout for them. like Here's a gift.
01:12:21
Speaker
Yeah. Anyways, here we are.
Upcoming Games and Predictions
01:12:25
Speaker
Everything sucks. um Probably won't be our... We're probably... one it won't be ah It won't be long... How do I say this? You'll probably hear from us soon.
01:12:38
Speaker
But... um Maybe after we get dad-dicked by Indiana. Maybe after Michigan comes into our house. I think, like, honestly, if they... like...
01:12:49
Speaker
it's like If Michigan comes in, beats us by 30, and, like, no one gets into a fight, no one does any jawing, nothing happens, you know it's just dead. Yeah.
Reflecting on Past Team Dynamics
01:13:03
Speaker
I love that SAV tweet. I love that SAV tweet. Like, at least Tucker had guys willing to die for Michigan State because they had we had eight guys go to je get arrested. mean – i mean It's a joke, but it's kind of true. It's kind of true. Yeah.
01:13:18
Speaker
like He did bring in a bunch of mercenaries, but, like, they bought in. Somehow, they bought in. Yeah, so, like, here's the thing. It's, like, you got ah Tucker, like, an undisciplined team, but that had a lot of emotion and bought in.
01:13:35
Speaker
You have D'Antonio in the middle, which is, like – but wait until you get to game time and then you let the lion out of the cage. like They brought out their rage during the game and they were disciplined doing it.
01:13:47
Speaker
And then um ah Jonathan Smith was like, I don't even know if Viagra can get you excited on his teams.
From Football to Baseball: Reflections and Sign-off
01:13:57
Speaker
It is crazy. man these Man, I knew... This motherfucker is mother the fuckckers talking about watching a Dodgers game, man. I know hindsight's 20-20, but...
01:14:09
Speaker
It plays if you're winning. It doesn't play if you're winning. Yeah, exactly. You can't say that shit if you haven't been winning. Also, it's the fucking Dodgers, dude.
01:14:22
Speaker
Anyways, um so I guess we'll like... ah call it there. ah Ryan's angel. Always a pleasure. Hopefully next time we record on this medium, there'll be some action.
01:14:38
Speaker
So ah on behalf of the search lads, see you guys next time.