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Episode 1: The Chopping Menace
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FIRST EPISODE WITH THE BOYS! Zanjo, Ryan, and Ali go through the MSU coaching candidates, the not coaching candidates, garbage-tier media takes, and the social media discourse around a particular big name.
Follow us at @TheSearch_MSU, @returnofbuttboy, @SpartanRyan, and @alyattawe.
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Introduction to 'The Search' Podcast
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All right, we're podcasting, boys.
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All right, everybody, welcome to The Search, a podcast on the Michigan State football coaching search.
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I'm one of your hosts, Ali, a.k.a.
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Ali Yatawi on Twitter, joined by Spartan Ryan and Zanjo, a.k.a.
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The Butt Boy.
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How are you guys doing today?
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I'm good, man.
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How about you?
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It's fucking dark outside.
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Like it's 530 on the West Coast and it's dark outside.
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It sucks.
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Just like my football team.
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Just like our football team.
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I know.
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Until Urban Meyer gets hired.
Podcast's Purpose and Host Backgrounds
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Don't get me started, man.
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We're going to save that.
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That is obviously going to be a topic for discussion today.
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We're going to save that for a little bit later.
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But anyways, so this is our first episode.
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Hopefully this isn't a permanent fixture because if it is, that means we haven't hired a coach.
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And we're going to be running with Harlan Barnett in 2024.
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We don't want that.
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The goal of this is to be a limited run coach.
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And that once we hire Mike Alco, we'll be done with this or whoever.
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But yeah, so why would you want to listen to us?
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So my qualifications to talk on this is that I've been shitposting about MSU on Twitter about 10 years now.
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And I was a sophomore at MSU when we hired Mark D'Antonio.
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So I've been through two coaching searches now as a Spartan.
Mel Tucker's Firing and MSU's Current Challenges
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Uh, what about you, Ryan?
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I'd basically just post stupid shit on Twitter.
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I'm totally qualified to talk about this.
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It's not really, really all there is to it.
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And, uh, Zanjo, like, what qualifies you?
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He broke the Mel Tucker news.
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Which, uh, was a big point of pride until, like, three weeks ago.
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Oh, why would that be?
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His left hand took over instead.
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Yeah, all right.
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For those of you that somehow stumbled upon this podcast and don't know what's going on, one, I want to know how you did that, and two, uh...
Coaching Search Focus and Media Speculation
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The back story is Michigan State is without a head football coach because Mel Tucker, who was our coach up until three weeks ago, has been fired with cause for admitting to masturbating on a phone call with a university vendor.
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That vendor is a sexual assault advocate.
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Not an advocate for sexual assault, but an advocate for sexual assault victims.
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Yeah.
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So we don't need, we're not going to rehash too much.
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What happened with that.
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What we're going to talk about is generally, where do we go next?
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Who are we going to go next with?
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Who we're probably not going to go next with.
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And just the shit tier takes that social media is bringing up out about this coaching search.
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And I,
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We're just a bunch of dudes that have lives and all that stuff.
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So we're not probably going to be on a regular cadence.
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But we're going to give you some prime content for hopefully the next two, three months.
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So I guess we're going to start with our first segment.
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How's it going in the state of the program?
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It's a disaster.
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Let's see.
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Our head coach thought with his little head instead of his big head.
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And now we're here, and we just got waved at by a bunch of kids in a children's hospital.
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So that's how it's going.
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Oh, my Lord.
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Yep.
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All right.
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Yeah.
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No, it's not great.
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So just some bits of news.
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I don't know how much we want to go into it, but our chosen NIL collective kind of withdrew a bunch of NIL partnerships from the football team.
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I guess it's Spartan dogs for two weeks.
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Yeah.
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I'm not really going to go into it.
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I think our, our, our,
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If you want to hear more about this, you can go listen to Can't Read, Can't Write.
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They talked about it pretty well on this week's episode.
Financial Considerations in Coaching Contracts
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And then the other bit of news is Mel is tugging for a settlement.
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It looks like he is going to try and sue the university.
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Leaving this in here for a little bit of...
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things to think about as we proceed with the search.
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Like how much is this going to hang over us in terms of like, are we going to have, how much the resource questions that people will ask, like with what we have the resources available to go after the big dogs, uh, that we want, or, uh, are we just going to tell them to fuck off?
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And here's like $10 in a Brazzers membership.
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Like, uh, don't donate to SD4L anymore.
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So what can we like get plenty of money now?
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Yeah.
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I mean, I think like, and to think about this, I think this is something that I think I like talked to you about over a DM, Zanjo.
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Before this even dropped, before even the Mel Tucker news dropped, it's like,
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we did have the money for the bio.
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Like, I think we probably like, I think one in a year and a year and a half of this probably would have fired him and just like, yeah, here's $50 million.
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Like whatever.
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Dude, that's what people don't get is money in college football is completely imaginary.
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We have this $95 million buyout or whatever.
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We just find them way to get out of it.
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If we need to like, A and M is going to figure out a way to get out of Jimbo's contract that they need to also like, yeah.
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It's completely imaginary.
Top Coaching Candidates for MSU
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And then, correct me if I'm wrong, but that's like one year of the Big Ten contract.
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I think it's two.
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Less than one year.
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Yeah, it's like 50 or 60.
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It was something huge.
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I can't even remember what it was.
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Either way, it's basically a rounding error.
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Yeah, seven-year, $8 billion media deal.
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So eight divided by seven, that's $1.1 billion a year per school.
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And divide that by 14.
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The search.
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$81 million a year.
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Yeah.
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$81 million a year.
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The podcast about a coaching search brought to you by math.
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Yeah, exactly.
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$81 million a year is what we're getting out of the Big Ten deal.
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Like, I'm sure we would have been fine firing him in a year and a half, which, honestly, I think that's where things were trending.
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Yeah, if we're being honest with ourselves now, that's definitely where it was going.
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I mean, look at the product on the field right now.
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Yeah.
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Like, nothing that was a problem from the – like, we're –
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I don't want to rehash the whole tenure and all that stuff, but now that we're on this topic of conversation, I think we all remember his first game, the Butgers game.
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Seven turnovers, a bunch of dumb penalties, and we lost to Rutgers.
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One more reason I wanted to talk about this.
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Yeah, one more reason I wanted to talk about this is I drank about 15 White Claws, got on a podcast, and yelled about how I wanted him fired.
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And look at that.
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Here we are.
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Here we are.
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But Mel Toggers for the past, and now we talk about the future.
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So we're going to go into one of our more recurring segments, the Coaching Candidate Tracker.
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Coaching candidates, woo!
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Getting our hopes up for dudes that might never set foot on campus except to kick our ass.
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I might record that for later.
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This is a low effort production podcast listeners.
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So that's the kind of jams you're going to be and jingles you're going to be getting to.
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So yeah.
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Oh man.
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Oh, oh.
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So our, our candidates that we're going to go over today, we got, we've got,
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uh we're gonna go over like the ones that we are tracking how they're doing right now at their current schools uh and uh uh what's it called uh and then uh power rank meta at the end sorry we're gonna give them a little power rank at the end so i'm gonna start with the guy i've been fucking on riding his dick on twitter um mike alco
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of Duke.
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So, um, my gal go, uh, I'm an alkalite.
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Uh, I'm going to make that a thing, especially when he gets hired.
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Uh, he's right now four and one at Duke.
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Uh, he did just lose in heartbreaking fashion to Notre Dame.
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And if I remember correctly, there was some bullshit bent, uh, pass interference call in that game too.
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So he's already getting like the indoctrination into the program.
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Um, um,
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He knows what it's like to be a Spartan with that bullshit Notre Dame call and also showing 300 to his players the night before.
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Beat Clemson week one.
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I'm not sure if that looks like a good win anymore.
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It was ranked at the time.
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It's not ranked – Clemson's not ranked now.
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But I don't know.
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I like him.
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Defensive-minded coach.
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I think he was the defensive coordinator at A&M before Duke.
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I think right now he's at the top of the list.
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I don't know what you guys – what are you guys' thoughts?
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He's mine.
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He's my top.
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Big mischance to call him an alcoholic.
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Yeah, I don't know if we would need a – actually, I'm not going to say that.
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He's my top choice right now.
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I'm just saying going on McAfee –
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going on McAfee and talking about 300 immediately before going on game day.
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Like I just, during the middle of the coaching search, like it sounds like he's thirsty.
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That's all I'm saying.
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Did you guys see, I think, I can't remember who it was that went up to him, but they were talking about MSU coaching candidates.
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It was McAfee.
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They were talking about MSU coaching candidates and he pointed at Elko and he gave him a thumbs down.
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But I mean, what else is he going to say?
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I don't know.
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It's the middle of the season.
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That was the weakest thumb down I've ever seen.
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I know.
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He did not seem enthused in that thumbs down.
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He's totally taken off of that.
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He saw that we gave a $9.5 million a year bag to a dude that prior to being here was under $500.
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He's like, yeah, dude.
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Yeah, I mean, I'm going to do the Commodus and Gladiator bit and just thumbs up.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, exactly.
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I don't know, man.
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The guy is winning at Duke.
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Duke is... I think Duke... Because Duke is a private school, we don't have the details of how much you're paying him.
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But Big Ten money, bigger than ACC money.
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Their message boards say like five and a half mil per year.
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I've seen three and a half.
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I don't know where you got five and a half.
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That's what their message boards are saying.
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I've seen three and a half, seen five and a half.
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I think people are just speculating based on the fact that Duke and
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nothing a douchebag is a basketball coach anymore.
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Yeah.
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I guess like, yeah, I wonder.
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Yeah.
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I mean, if he does, the thing is that I think that would, for him, what I think is like, if A&M implodes and they do get rid of Jimbo this year, he's going to be their target or they might go after Kiffin.
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I've got a question.
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I think,
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So my one downside is since it's at Duke, if they have a bad year, is he going to pretend to have a back injury and then hand off his coaching title to his assistants so they can take the losses?
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Or how is that going to work?
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Just so, you know.
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What?
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So Mike Caden.
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Dude, I don't know.
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He's my top choice.
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But with A&M, I think they're just going to go for it.
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If they get rid of Jimbo, I think they're going splashy.
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Like, they're going to throw a lot of money at somebody.
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They'll go splashy higher.
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I don't think they'd hire Elko.
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But he'd probably be, like, their third choice.
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Yeah.
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I think they'd go after, like, Kiffin.
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But, yeah.
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All right.
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All right, moving on.
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I think you got your dick hard for this one, Ryan.
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Let's talk about Jake Dickert over in my land, neck of the woods.
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Jake Dickert out of Wazoo.
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So Jake Dickert is his second year at Washington State because we talked about this before, but Nick Rolovich decided not to get vaccinated, got fired, and
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And, yeah, so Digger took over.
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Which means that he was vaccinated.
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So that is – add that to the plus column.
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That is a plus.
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He would be a vaccinated coach.
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Dude, the UOP is going to be so mad at him.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah, the five people that live up there are going to be so pissed.
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Oh, man.
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I used to be a Michigan State fan, but now I'm a Badger because you know who's not vaccinated?
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Luke Fickle.
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Luke Fickle's probably vaccinated.
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I don't know, man.
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Like, they can just cheer for the Packers for all the fuck I care.
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So, Digger, he's at – they are undefeated right now, I believe.
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Yeah, they're unde – no, they lost – no.
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No, they're undefeated.
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They're undefeated.
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They beat Oregon State.
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Yeah, they beat Oregon State two weeks ago.
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They were on by this week.
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I don't know why I had – oh, I had 2022 up.
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I was like, what the hell?
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Okay, so they are – my God.
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They are undefeated right now.
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They beat Wisconsin at home.
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They beat Washington State at home.
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They play UCLA this upcoming weekend on the road.
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I'm all in on this guy, man.
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Elko is my first choice.
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but Dickert has been, like, moving up the board.
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Like, they won that game.
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Like, I don't know if you guys watched this presser after the Oregon State game, but I think it was Lee Corso said something about the game was, like, the teams nobody wants, wants a bowl.
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And he kind of just ripped into them.
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You know, I like a coach the manufacturer's disrespect.
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I mean, look at the last, the guy we had.
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before Tucker was here.
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So, I mean, obviously D'Antonio is a manufactured disrespect guy.
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You know what?
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I like that.
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Dickert's got, he's got Midwest roots.
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So he's not really like tied into the West Coast at all.
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I think he would come here if he got offered the job because obviously Washington State's probably going to wind up in the Mountain West.
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And yeah, he's my second choice.
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I think he'll be a really good hire.
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I don't know what you guys think about him, but I do like him a lot.
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He's only 40, isn't he?
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He's younger, too.
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Yes.
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That makes him a man.
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Oh, my God.
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I saw – going on a tangent here, but I saw that the Mike Gundy rant is like – that was 16 years ago.
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Like, oh, my God.
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Yeah, I remember when that came out live and it was like on something awful.
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Like, yeah.
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No, when YouTube was just like not even owned by Google –
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Uh, yeah, no.
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So I like him.
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Uh, he's young, which means that if he's successful, he's going to be here for a while.
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Um, no, he doesn't have ties to Wazoo.
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So it's not there.
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I don't know if there's an emotional attachment there.
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Like he, he got the job because his dipshit boss, uh, read a little too much fortune and, um, uh, what's it called?
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And, um,
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you don't know what the future of the schools are, right?
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Like, and I think this also applies to Jonathan Smith.
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Like, like you, they, you don't know what the, um, you don't know where they're going to go.
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Like, is the big 12 going to invite them?
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Are they going to annex the mountain West and whatever?
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Like, um, yeah.
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And so, and then he has like, uh, he has a good, like us versus them, like mentality that like, um,
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I think like I liked about D'Antonio in his early years, like he would just be like next question or whatever.
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And I think like being able to fight back against the media while running a clean program is like, I think key at MSU.
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I think also I've talked to, I mean, I live, I live out in the West coast.
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I live in Washington.
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I've talked to people, some of my wazoo friends about him and they're like, who?
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So... No, it's actually really worth mentioning, too, that Wazoo's broke.
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Their AD is completely broke.
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They're cutting jobs.
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Like, they can't match.
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Whatever we give them, they're not going to be able to match.
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It doesn't matter if they get the Big 12 invite or not.
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They're kind of in this weird situation where they're completely and utterly fucked.
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So, like... And then... And then, have you guys been to Pullman?
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Like, it's out there.
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Yeah, I know.
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I've been there.
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I went there once.
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And it's...
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There's nothing going on there.
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Like, it's like you drive through a bunch of hills in an elevator.
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Next thing you know, pull them in Washington.
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It's like four hours away from Seattle.
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It is, it's out there.
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I think East Lansing is a quality of life upgrade for a guy like him.
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The downsides, the one downside I could think of off the top of my head is he used to work for Scotty Hazleton.
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Oh, that's right.
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Yeah.
00:18:38
Speaker
Yeah.
00:18:39
Speaker
The other one.
00:18:40
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At Wyoming, right?
00:18:41
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He was the safeties coach, and Scotty was the D.C., I'm pretty sure, right?
00:18:46
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I think so, yeah.
00:18:48
Speaker
But small side note on Dickert, really small perk if he winds up being the coach here.
00:18:56
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Sam Levitt probably doesn't leave because he was committed to Washington State before he flipped MSU late.
00:19:02
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So that's like a small perk of Dickert if he comes here.
00:19:08
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The other downside is he's basically a 500 coach up until this year, so he doesn't have that huge track record.
00:19:14
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It's so hard to win there, though.
00:19:16
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I know.
00:19:17
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Obviously, it's not going to be a Power 5 job anymore.
00:19:21
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That's one of the hardest jobs.
00:19:23
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He took over in a really weird situation, too, just with Rolovich being afraid of a needle.
00:19:29
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I can tell their offensive coordinator, I can't remember who his name is, but I was impressed with him.
00:19:34
Speaker
That's the guy from Western Kentucky, I think.
00:19:37
Speaker
Yeah, the dude that torched us with Zappy in 21.
00:19:41
Speaker
Yeah, I can't remember.
00:19:42
Speaker
The dude from Houston Baptist that wound up at WKU?
00:19:46
Speaker
I think so, yeah.
00:19:48
Speaker
He came up with the coaching there.
00:19:49
Speaker
Yep.
00:19:51
Speaker
Yep.
00:19:51
Speaker
I know exactly who you're talking about.
00:19:53
Speaker
I can't remember his name, but I know who you're talking about.
00:19:58
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I want to move on, but a lot of the stuff that we're talking about will apply to another candidate that's on the list, but I want to give the floor to Zanjo to talk about his favorite hobby, which is huffing.
00:20:13
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No, I'm actually talking about Coach Huff of Marshall.
00:20:17
Speaker
Yeah, so got an 18-point win last week over ODU.
00:20:22
Speaker
18-point comeback win, excuse me.
00:20:24
Speaker
They're undefeated right now.
00:20:27
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Cause as a background, as a recruiting God basically came up, he had coached at Western Michigan for a year.
00:20:33
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So he's got ties to the state in some regard, recruited Miles Sanders and Saquon Barkley at Penn state was a Alabama's recruiting coordinator thing for a year.
00:20:42
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So we know we can get talent.
00:20:44
Speaker
Um, same thing a little bit as Dickert and Elko.
00:20:47
Speaker
I think they went nine and four last year.
00:20:48
Speaker
So it wasn't that huge proven track record, but they did beat Notre Dame.
00:20:52
Speaker
So, uh, Rico Birkin's a suck a dick.
00:20:55
Speaker
Um,
00:20:59
Speaker
I mean, it would be a – he's not my number one guy right now, but I would be thrilled if we could land him.
00:21:05
Speaker
And I think he'd be willing to go.
00:21:08
Speaker
Now, the issue with, I think, UVA, Virginia Tech, and West Virginia, at least one of them is going to be looking for a coach and be in competition with us for that because it sounds like all those schools down in that area want him
Media Speculation and Unrealistic Rumors
00:21:20
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too.
00:21:20
Speaker
Dude, if we lose a guy to Virginia Tech or Virginia, I'm going to lose my shit.
00:21:26
Speaker
I'm just going to put down there now.
00:21:27
Speaker
That is not happening.
00:21:28
Speaker
We're not going to – yeah, we're not going to lose him to that.
00:21:31
Speaker
But it's something worth mentioning that if we don't go after him, he's going to make the jump this year.
00:21:37
Speaker
So, I mean, I'd be like – he may not be my number one choice, but he's right there, 2A, 2B type.
00:21:46
Speaker
Dickert's up there too.
00:21:47
Speaker
But we'll get on that later.
00:21:49
Speaker
So, here's –
00:21:53
Speaker
He was at Penn State.
00:21:54
Speaker
So the things that he's got going for him is he's familiar with the territory.
00:21:59
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He was a running back coach at Western in 2013.
00:22:02
Speaker
And then from 2014 to 2017, he was the Penn State running backs coach, which means that he coached and recruited Saquon Barkley.
00:22:13
Speaker
And Miles Sanders.
00:22:14
Speaker
He also coached against the Big Ten champion MSU team at Spartan Stadium.
00:22:18
Speaker
So he's got experience at MSU too with winning teams.
00:22:20
Speaker
He was on the – he coached that Western team in 13.
00:22:24
Speaker
Yeah.
00:22:24
Speaker
Yeah.
00:22:26
Speaker
So he's – I think –
00:22:28
Speaker
He was 1-3 then against Michigan State because – no, if it was 2014, they lost to MSU.
00:22:36
Speaker
2015, Penn State lost.
00:22:38
Speaker
It's 1-4.
00:22:38
Speaker
Yeah.
00:22:40
Speaker
And in 2016, they beat our ass.
00:22:42
Speaker
And then in 2017, Brian Lewerke threw for like 450 yards and beat them.
00:22:48
Speaker
Yeah, no.
00:22:48
Speaker
I mean, this guy has an eye for talent, and he's 20-10.
00:22:50
Speaker
I think he's 40 years old.
00:22:56
Speaker
He's a younger guy.
00:22:59
Speaker
He is also a man.
00:23:02
Speaker
Yeah, no, he's 4-0 right now.
00:23:03
Speaker
He went 9-4 last year and then 7-6 in his first year.
00:23:08
Speaker
I know they suck, but that's a Power 5 team.
00:23:10
Speaker
Yeah, he's got Power 5 wins the last two years.
00:23:12
Speaker
Yeah.
00:23:16
Speaker
Yeah, no, Huff is a real candidate.
00:23:20
Speaker
I'm going to go and start talking about a little bit on Jonathan Smith, Oregon State.
00:23:26
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Four and one right now.
00:23:28
Speaker
They just beat number 10 Utah at home.
00:23:32
Speaker
I don't think Utah was playing with – Camerizing.
00:23:36
Speaker
Camerizing, yeah, yeah.
00:23:38
Speaker
He wasn't playing, but –
00:23:41
Speaker
uh utah did go down i mean utah was looking pretty decent but they were like eating by skating by like they barely beat baylor uh i think they beat florida's ass i can't remember who else they played but yeah oregon state their only loss comes to wazoo uh which we uh mentioned earlier and i think like
00:24:03
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The same things apply with the small budget of the school, the future of the school athletically and budget-wise.
00:24:11
Speaker
The other thing going on here is that he's Oregon State.
00:24:15
Speaker
He actually has institutional ties to the university.
00:24:19
Speaker
He went there and all that stuff.
00:24:21
Speaker
I did have a comment here.
00:24:23
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I did like his signal for milking the clock.
00:24:25
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I don't know how you saw that gif, but that was –
00:24:29
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interesting.
00:24:31
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But yeah, I think of the four that we've talked about so far, I think maybe least likely... I question if he would come here just because he's an alumni.
00:24:49
Speaker
I just don't... I mean, obviously you have the same thing as Dickert where they're going to get screwed over on conference realignment, but dude, I just don't
00:24:59
Speaker
I don't think he would leave.
00:25:01
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I don't know.
00:25:02
Speaker
I just don't see it.
00:25:03
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So this is a real-time thought, actually, but I just remembered he was actually a really good OC at Washington, too, and I also watched that game against Utah.
00:25:11
Speaker
Man, those guys hit.
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00:25:13
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Those guys do.
00:25:14
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They play hard.
00:25:15
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Yeah, they play really good defense.
00:25:18
Speaker
Offensive background, he might actually be jumping up my list right here.
00:25:23
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They won 10 games last year at a place, if not Wazoo, it's the
00:25:28
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Oregon State is probably the second or third toughest job in power football.
00:25:35
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It took him a little bit to get started, too.
00:25:37
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His first three seasons, he didn't go to the bowl.
00:25:39
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And then 2021, yeah.
00:25:42
Speaker
But they run the ball.
00:25:43
Speaker
They play really good defense.
00:25:45
Speaker
It's honestly really impressive what he's done out there.
00:25:48
Speaker
He got them at their highest high since he was quarterback there.
00:25:54
Speaker
And like coaches leave their alma maters all the time when their alma maters are lower tier.
00:25:59
Speaker
We've seen that.
00:26:01
Speaker
Remember when D'Antonio was going to go coach South Carolina after 2010?
00:26:08
Speaker
I forgot about that.
00:26:09
Speaker
But no, this is different to me because they're going to go through a transition phase.
00:26:14
Speaker
I just don't know if he would be willing to leave during.
00:26:17
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I understand that they're going to be going down, but like,
00:26:22
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I just don't see that he would – I don't think he would do it.
00:26:25
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Like, I just – I would be more than okay with hiring him, but I don't think he'd leave.
00:26:36
Speaker
Yeah.
00:26:39
Speaker
I think he is a good candidate.
00:26:42
Speaker
I –
00:26:43
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don't think he probably comes.
00:26:45
Speaker
And I think that's reflected in that where we have them in our tracker.
00:26:50
Speaker
I mean, we'll go over our power rankings after this, but yeah.
00:26:55
Speaker
I'm going to move on to Chris Kleeman, Ryan.
00:26:59
Speaker
Yeah.
00:27:00
Speaker
So Chris Kleeman, he's I think 56 now.
00:27:04
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He's been at Kansas state for, I believe, I think it's five years now.
00:27:11
Speaker
They lost one game to Missouri this year, but he's won everywhere he's been.
00:27:19
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He was North Dakota State's head coach for a while.
00:27:24
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They won four championships in five years there.
00:27:28
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They won the Big 12 last year.
00:27:34
Speaker
Wait, does he – actually, I'll save the thought for later.
00:27:41
Speaker
They asked him on a radio show if he'd be interested in the MSU job, and he said, I will not be a candidate.
00:27:47
Speaker
But, of course, what are you going to say in the middle of the season?
00:27:49
Speaker
Once again, just like Elko.
00:27:52
Speaker
They beat UCF this past weekend 44-31.
00:27:54
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Climbing up.
00:27:58
Speaker
I think Scotty coached on his staff, didn't he?
00:28:02
Speaker
Yes, that's exactly what I was going to say.
00:28:04
Speaker
Scotty was his defensive coordinator.
00:28:05
Speaker
We hired Scotty from him.
00:28:10
Speaker
That's kind of like a blemish for me.
00:28:13
Speaker
I like how all of us had the exact same thought.
00:28:17
Speaker
He's a good coach, but he also hired a terrorist for defensive coordinator.
00:28:20
Speaker
Yeah, he had Scotty Hazleton as his defensive coordinator.
00:28:24
Speaker
We all know how that's going.
00:28:26
Speaker
The thing with him...
00:28:28
Speaker
with climbing.
00:28:29
Speaker
I'm not sure that if he came here, I don't think Colin Klein's coming with him as an offensive coordinator.
00:28:35
Speaker
I think he gets that coaching job there.
00:28:37
Speaker
Probably.
00:28:40
Speaker
He's royalty there.
00:28:42
Speaker
Yeah.
00:28:43
Speaker
I don't, I just don't, I don't think that he would,
00:28:47
Speaker
come with him, and that's a huge downside.
00:28:49
Speaker
That's a package deal.
00:28:52
Speaker
That's the thing that's attractive is like Colin Klein coming here because I watched that Big 12 championship game last year.
00:28:58
Speaker
He called a master class.
00:29:00
Speaker
He's a really good OC.
00:29:03
Speaker
Yeah, Klein is disqualified just because of the Hazleton thing.
00:29:05
Speaker
I can't.
00:29:07
Speaker
Yeah.
00:29:08
Speaker
The age is definitely a downside for me.
00:29:11
Speaker
Again, a guy I'd be okay with hiring, but I'm not sure he'd leave long.
00:29:17
Speaker
And two, I don't think he brings Kyle Klein with him, and that's also a negative for me.
00:29:22
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Yeah.
00:29:24
Speaker
I guess that leads us into his rival, Lance Leipold.
00:29:29
Speaker
Yeah, 59 years old, doing work at Kansas.
00:29:33
Speaker
Just like Klein, he won everywhere.
00:29:35
Speaker
A bunch of titles at Wisconsin Whitewater, Turner on Buffalo's program.
00:29:41
Speaker
Turner on Kansas right now, they're receiving votes, 4-1.
00:29:43
Speaker
They were in that game day last year, didn't they?
00:29:47
Speaker
Yeah, I think so.
00:29:48
Speaker
Yeah, they were.
00:29:49
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, the one downside is I think Kansas could probably match if we offered him a bunch.
00:29:57
Speaker
And he's also old enough that I'm not sure he'd want to leave.
00:30:01
Speaker
I don't think – what makes you think they could match?
00:30:05
Speaker
So I don't think we're going to offer a guy $9.5 million fresh off the boat.
00:30:10
Speaker
What's he getting paid right now?
00:30:12
Speaker
I think he's getting paid $5.5 right now.
00:30:13
Speaker
Yeah.
00:30:16
Speaker
And I'm sure Kansas could bump him up to seven pretty easily.
00:30:19
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know, man.
00:30:23
Speaker
Five per year for seven years.
00:30:26
Speaker
But he's also – go ahead.
00:30:30
Speaker
No, no, no.
00:30:31
Speaker
I was just talking about the contract.
00:30:32
Speaker
Oh, yeah, no.
00:30:32
Speaker
Apparently he's also an ace recruiter in the Midwest, which I believe, you know, won a bunch of Whitewater, so he probably has a bunch of ties in the area.
00:30:40
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He's got guys out of the state of Michigan –
00:30:43
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And he was – Nick Marsh had Kansas in his final three.
00:30:48
Speaker
So, like, he's definitely got some ties here.
00:30:51
Speaker
I think they got the quarterback from one of the Detroit schools is committed there.
00:30:56
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I can't remember his name.
00:30:58
Speaker
But he's like a – What?
00:31:02
Speaker
Oh, my God.
00:31:05
Speaker
But they have a quarterback.
00:31:09
Speaker
The dude from Southfield, I can't remember his name, Albert.
00:31:12
Speaker
Anyways, I mean, he's obviously got ties in the area.
00:31:15
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He's from Wisconsin.
00:31:17
Speaker
He's recruited Michigan.
00:31:19
Speaker
Not that I think recruiting Michigan is a huge deal with this job anymore because the talent level has gone down in the state, but that's a plus.
00:31:27
Speaker
I think an appropriate goal should be to still win the state and not completely ignore it.
00:31:33
Speaker
Yeah, you want to get the highly rated dudes out of the state, of course, but...
00:31:38
Speaker
It's not where it goes 20 dudes deep anymore going to power five schools.
00:31:43
Speaker
No.
00:31:44
Speaker
But, like, you need to recruit Ohio.
00:31:47
Speaker
Yeah.
00:31:48
Speaker
The age is, like I said.
00:31:49
Speaker
The age is really the one big time.
00:31:51
Speaker
His age is my huge problem.
00:31:53
Speaker
He's 59 years old.
00:31:55
Speaker
Yeah, he'd be 60 by 10.
00:31:56
Speaker
He takes over.
00:31:57
Speaker
Hey, Urban Meyer's 59.
00:31:59
Speaker
It's a little different.
00:32:01
Speaker
There's a little difference.
00:32:02
Speaker
I know.
00:32:03
Speaker
We're going to save that for later.
00:32:04
Speaker
I just wanted to get that crack in.
00:32:07
Speaker
But, yeah, that's the real thing.
00:32:08
Speaker
Like, he's 60 years old.
00:32:09
Speaker
He's probably been two to three years before he gets going.
00:32:12
Speaker
So it's 62, 63.
00:32:13
Speaker
Yeah, like, two years before the man qualified for AARP, Senior Citizen Discounts.
00:32:17
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So, I mean, I don't know.
00:32:21
Speaker
I wouldn't be opposed to it a lot, but it's lower on the list for that reason.
00:32:29
Speaker
Next guy on the list is absolutely disqualified from the list, but I have him on this outline just because every single list seems to have him.
00:32:40
Speaker
Yeah, Narduzzi sucks.
00:32:42
Speaker
Yes, no.
00:32:44
Speaker
They're one in four.
00:32:46
Speaker
He's won the ACC once, and he had Jordan Addison and Kenny Pickett on his team.
00:32:52
Speaker
And then he fired the offensive coordinator.
00:32:53
Speaker
Absolutely not.
00:32:55
Speaker
He fired the offensive coordinator because he hated the offense so much the one year they had an offense.
00:33:00
Speaker
The guy – why is he on every list?
00:33:05
Speaker
He's not.
00:33:06
Speaker
He's not going to be – he's not getting the job.
00:33:09
Speaker
He will not be the next coach here.
00:33:11
Speaker
And if he is, it's because 15 guys turned it down.
00:33:14
Speaker
I agree with you.
00:33:15
Speaker
He's not going to get the next job.
00:33:16
Speaker
He's probably not going to be employed at Pitt after this year either.
00:33:19
Speaker
He's fired.
00:33:20
Speaker
He sucks.
00:33:21
Speaker
He sucks.
00:33:23
Speaker
I can't believe this is more of a later on, but this is just bad journalism.
00:33:29
Speaker
I don't know why he keeps getting linked to this job.
00:33:33
Speaker
His agent is probably pushing his name.
00:33:36
Speaker
I guarantee you that's what it is.
00:33:39
Speaker
Half the notes I have in the outline for Narduzzi are just LOLOLOLOL.
00:33:43
Speaker
Yeah.
00:33:45
Speaker
Horrible.
00:33:46
Speaker
He is not like, obviously great defensive coordinator here, but oh my God, he is not.
00:33:52
Speaker
No.
00:33:53
Speaker
No way.
00:33:54
Speaker
He's... I think he's Italian Daninos.
00:33:58
Speaker
That's actually a pretty fair take.
00:34:02
Speaker
Yeah.
00:34:04
Speaker
I think just like the... And we'll talk about it in the media, but like the media... It's just like if you've ever had a seat in D'Antonio's church van, your name is on these lists.
00:34:15
Speaker
Fine.
00:34:15
Speaker
Yeah, go away.
00:34:18
Speaker
I guess like our last...
00:34:21
Speaker
for now our last serious candidate.
00:34:24
Speaker
I mean, Narduzzi's not a serious candidate, but like, I guess like the other name that we've been seeing around, Sean Lewis, the offensive coordinator at Colorado.
00:34:37
Speaker
I think this would be fun.
00:34:38
Speaker
I mean, I didn't, I didn't put his name down.
00:34:40
Speaker
I think, I mean, I know you guys have more details on him, but I think it'd be fun to just blow up Colorado Twitter again.
00:34:50
Speaker
If we can't get Dion, we might as well get Dion's offense.
00:34:53
Speaker
But, yeah, what do you guys have to say about John Lewis?
00:34:56
Speaker
I put his name down just because I've seen him on a few lists.
00:34:58
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And, honestly, for, like, a plan C guy, he's pretty – I'm pretty high on him for, like, not, like, your top tier, but, like, your second, third tier type of guy.
00:35:08
Speaker
I mean – I like him.
00:35:11
Speaker
Would he make Noah Kim a serviceable quarterback?
00:35:14
Speaker
Probably not.
00:35:16
Speaker
I don't think almost anybody can do that.
00:35:18
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I think he actually would.
00:35:20
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He's got two of seven, seven-win seasons in Kent State history.
00:35:23
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That is the biggest plus to me.
00:35:29
Speaker
Barely won at Kent State.
00:35:30
Speaker
Kent State is arguably the worst job in America.
00:35:34
Speaker
It is horrible.
00:35:35
Speaker
The other thing is, what he's doing in Colorado right now is,
00:35:38
Speaker
They don't have an offensive line, and the fact they're still putting up points the way they are is pretty impressive.
00:35:44
Speaker
Our offensive line is horrible.
00:35:46
Speaker
Yeah.
00:35:47
Speaker
No Travis Hunter.
00:35:48
Speaker
I know a football team with a terrible offensive line.
00:35:52
Speaker
Yeah, me too.
00:35:54
Speaker
I think we all do.
00:35:55
Speaker
It's great.
00:35:55
Speaker
It's the last time we had a good offensive line.
00:35:57
Speaker
2015.2014.
00:36:01
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know.
00:36:02
Speaker
Like, I think the 2014 line was perfect.
00:36:07
Speaker
But, like, yeah, I guess I could get the argument that 2015 was also the last good one.
00:36:12
Speaker
But the 2014 line was perfect.
00:36:14
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Like, there were, like, no injuries.
00:36:16
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Like, we were putting up 50 points a game with, like, the Dave Warner offense.
00:36:21
Speaker
Like, come on.
00:36:23
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But, yeah.
00:36:24
Speaker
Dave Warner.
00:36:25
Speaker
Yeah.
00:36:25
Speaker
Highest scoring offense in school history.
00:36:27
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Just remember that.
00:36:28
Speaker
Yeah.
00:36:29
Speaker
Yeah.
00:36:30
Speaker
No, so, I mean.
00:36:31
Speaker
Miss him yet?
00:36:33
Speaker
Yeah, no, I think, like, I think, Ryan, you had this take on Twitter.
00:36:39
Speaker
I mean, we're getting – I mean, Dave Warner is not a candidate for this job.
00:36:44
Speaker
But at least Dave Warner had a good scripted first drive.
00:36:48
Speaker
Exactly.
00:36:49
Speaker
That is the one thing I'll always say about Dave Warner.
00:36:54
Speaker
He's a good scripted damn drive.
00:36:56
Speaker
Oh, my God.
00:36:58
Speaker
Even the guy we have now can't even do that.
00:37:00
Speaker
Good for you, Lord.
00:37:02
Speaker
So, I mean, we went through the big ones, the big names.
00:37:06
Speaker
I guess we're going to list our power rankings.
00:37:09
Speaker
Oh, yeah, exactly.
00:37:10
Speaker
We'll go over another big name later.
00:37:14
Speaker
You'll see why.
00:37:15
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But I guess, like, I guess we'll do our power rankings.
00:37:19
Speaker
So, Ryan, your top five.
00:37:23
Speaker
No change from last week for me.
00:37:25
Speaker
If anybody saw it on Twitter, I've still got Elko first, Dickert second.
00:37:32
Speaker
Jonathan Smith, third.
00:37:34
Speaker
Charles Huff, fourth.
00:37:35
Speaker
I think I had Klyman, fifth.
00:37:37
Speaker
I still have the same list.
00:37:40
Speaker
Zanjo?
00:37:42
Speaker
So just for the guys you've named, I think I had Elko, number one, Huff, number two, Dickert, number three, and Smith, number four.
00:37:51
Speaker
Everyone after that's kind of just – I'm okay with them, but – except for Narduzzi.
00:37:56
Speaker
Fuck Narduzzi.
00:37:59
Speaker
Yeah, I'll go number one.
00:38:04
Speaker
Dickert, two.
00:38:05
Speaker
Huff, three.
00:38:08
Speaker
Smith, four.
00:38:11
Speaker
Lewis, five.
00:38:12
Speaker
Now, if you want to go way off the board, I don't know they'd say yes.
00:38:21
Speaker
I'm actually 99.99% sure they'd say no.
00:38:22
Speaker
But
00:38:26
Speaker
I mean, given the fact that you're about to take a reduced payout, you've got to at least contact Dan Lanning and Caleb DeBoer.
00:38:31
Speaker
Of course.
00:38:32
Speaker
Yes.
00:38:32
Speaker
You've got to at least get the shot.
00:38:35
Speaker
Yeah, because like, yeah.
00:38:36
Speaker
They're getting half of the big 10-months.
00:38:39
Speaker
For those not aware, UW and Oregon, Washington and Oregon, are joining the Big Ten, but with reduced money.
00:38:44
Speaker
So MSU is going to get more money out of the deal than UW and Oregon are for what, the next 70?
00:38:52
Speaker
2030.
00:38:52
Speaker
It's 2030.
00:38:52
Speaker
Yeah.
00:38:54
Speaker
It's not just like a little bit of money, too.
00:38:56
Speaker
It's like 40% what everyone else is making.
00:38:58
Speaker
It's something insane.
00:38:58
Speaker
They're getting half.
00:39:00
Speaker
They're getting half of what everybody else is.
00:39:02
Speaker
Yeah.
00:39:04
Speaker
Bill Mike's 85, so you've got to shoot your shot.
00:39:06
Speaker
Yeah.
00:39:07
Speaker
Yeah.
00:39:08
Speaker
And I also want to throw Glenn Schumann's name in there too, just because people seem to be mentioning him.
00:39:13
Speaker
Georgia defense coordinator, good defense.
00:39:16
Speaker
That's basically it.
00:39:16
Speaker
He's not calling the defense.
00:39:19
Speaker
He's not calling the defense there, dude.
00:39:21
Speaker
Like, that's the one thing that – Yeah, we also – we also have bad experience with Georgia defense coordinators, so there's also that.
00:39:27
Speaker
PTSD.
00:39:29
Speaker
Yeah.
00:39:30
Speaker
We don't have to go down that route again.
00:39:31
Speaker
But, like, yeah, I think, like, shoot – if people are –
00:39:36
Speaker
And we're going to get into it now, or actually we'll get into it in a little bit, but like people talk about shooting your shot.
00:39:43
Speaker
Shoot your shot with somebody that's winning big in the transfer portal, NIL, post-2020 era, right?
00:39:51
Speaker
If you're going to shoot your shot, yeah, Kaelin DeBoer.
00:39:54
Speaker
Dude, Dan Landon will be my number one, including everyone else.
00:40:00
Speaker
My issue with DeBoer...
00:40:04
Speaker
Is Grubb coming with him or not?
00:40:09
Speaker
If Brian Grubb doesn't come with him, I... Dan Lanning is a year older than me.
00:40:14
Speaker
What the fuck?
00:40:16
Speaker
Yeah, dude, Dan Lanning is... I honestly... I think Kalen DeBoer would be a really good coach with or without Grubb.
00:40:22
Speaker
He's single-handedly... Dude, Tom Allen owes his entire fucking contract to Kalen DeBoer.
00:40:28
Speaker
100%.
00:40:28
Speaker
Yeah, that is the... They let Michael Penix and Kalen DeBoer leave.
00:40:32
Speaker
Yeah.
00:40:33
Speaker
Yeah.
00:40:33
Speaker
It's crazy.
00:40:34
Speaker
And now he's about to get fired, but he collected a huge amount of money because of Caleb DeBoer.
00:40:39
Speaker
He'll keep his job because of that buyout for another year.
00:40:41
Speaker
It's massive.
00:40:42
Speaker
They're going to keep him for another year.
00:40:44
Speaker
Oh, Dan Lanning succeeded Mel Tucker as Georgia's defensive coordinator.
00:40:47
Speaker
That's right.
00:40:48
Speaker
I forgot about that.
00:40:50
Speaker
There's a lot of names being mentioned out there as home run shots, but I think Dan Lanning might genuinely be my number one, including a certain 60-year-old former Ohio State coaches.
00:41:00
Speaker
Don't think Lanning's leaving, but obviously you call him.
00:41:04
Speaker
Yeah.
00:41:06
Speaker
Call somebody.
00:41:08
Speaker
If you're going to call, yeah, call somebody.
00:41:10
Speaker
Call somebody that has won this decade.
00:41:13
Speaker
But, yeah.
00:41:16
Speaker
Yeah, so that wraps up the Coaching Candidate Tracker.
00:41:22
Speaker
So we're going to go on to one of the fun parts where we're going to talk about the rags, a.k.a.
00:41:28
Speaker
the media and their response to this shit show.
00:41:31
Speaker
Um, so I, let's talk about something that's been happening in what week four of the college football season.
00:41:38
Speaker
And that is asking coaches right before they're going into big games about taking our job.
00:41:45
Speaker
All right.
00:41:46
Speaker
And then making a big deal about it on your blue check mark account.
00:41:52
Speaker
I'm pretty sure Pat McAfee was hung over when that happened.
00:41:55
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
00:41:58
Speaker
It's ridiculous.
00:42:00
Speaker
Allegedly.
00:42:00
Speaker
Allegedly.
00:42:01
Speaker
It's ridiculous that people will take that seriously.
00:42:05
Speaker
What do you expect them to say?
00:42:07
Speaker
They're not going to say, yeah, I'm interested in this job halfway through their season.
00:42:12
Speaker
Yeah, Notre Dame's coming to wherever the hell Duke is, Raleigh or Durham or whatever.
00:42:18
Speaker
I don't know.
00:42:19
Speaker
No, North Carolina, North Carolina is coming down Tobacco Road and it's going to be a big game for us.
00:42:25
Speaker
But I'm really into that Michigan State job up north and I'm going to be watching Iowa beat their ass 16 to 10 or whatever.
00:42:34
Speaker
23 to 16.
00:42:35
Speaker
Do people actually take what coaches say in September seriously?
00:42:39
Speaker
Yes, people are actually dumb enough to do that.
00:42:44
Speaker
People took what Chris Kapilovich was saying about the offensive line this summer.
00:42:48
Speaker
Guilty.
00:42:52
Speaker
I saw people react to the Chris Kleeman thing on Twitter about him saying no to the MSU job, which no fucking shit.
00:43:02
Speaker
Yeah, and everybody would be like, no one wants your job, MSU.
00:43:07
Speaker
Losers, little brother.
00:43:08
Speaker
I mean, Mel Tucker also said no if you really want to go down that road, but also in September.
00:43:15
Speaker
Literally three days later, you lost.
00:43:18
Speaker
Jim Harbaugh said Michigan had terrible academic standards, and look what he's doing right now.
00:43:23
Speaker
Right.
00:43:24
Speaker
Yeah, dude, like –
00:43:29
Speaker
You got to do it for clicks.
00:43:30
Speaker
I mean, I get it.
00:43:31
Speaker
Like, it's fun to kick us while we're down.
00:43:33
Speaker
I think, like...
00:43:37
Speaker
Our reputation in the media is not great.
00:43:42
Speaker
I think there's a lot of people in the media that would like to see a down MSU.
00:43:49
Speaker
And I'm not going to lie.
00:43:50
Speaker
When we're up and we're doing well, we're an insufferable fan base.
00:43:54
Speaker
And that's why I love it.
00:43:55
Speaker
We're insufferable because of these jackasses coming at us right now.
00:44:00
Speaker
It's cyclical.
00:44:02
Speaker
Yeah, I think having a blue checkmark doesn't make you an intelligent person.
00:44:08
Speaker
Of course not.
00:44:09
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, yeah.
00:44:12
Speaker
I mean, Justin Spiro has a blue checkmark.
00:44:16
Speaker
Blue checkmarks don't matter when you're paying money for them.
00:44:20
Speaker
Like, sorry guys, don't really care.
00:44:23
Speaker
My other favorite thing is agents leaking coaches' names into the media.
00:44:28
Speaker
PJ Fleck, oh my god.
00:44:33
Speaker
Dude, why is Matt Howson being mentioned on this list?
00:44:37
Speaker
Dude, they got torched again last week, man.
00:44:42
Speaker
He hates recruiting.
00:44:43
Speaker
They're horrible.
00:44:45
Speaker
He's got a future in the NFL position, coach.
00:44:47
Speaker
He's a Michigan State man.
00:44:50
Speaker
He's a Michigan State man.
00:44:52
Speaker
And there's worse names being mentioned out there right now.
00:44:55
Speaker
Why the fuck am I hearing Dan Enos' name?
00:44:58
Speaker
What has this ever done?
00:45:00
Speaker
Did you see the – he was sending emails back to somebody that was emailing him about how bad he was at his job?
00:45:10
Speaker
It's like, oh my God.
00:45:12
Speaker
Amazing.
00:45:14
Speaker
I think I'm going to make this position and I think I'm going to hold it.
00:45:19
Speaker
I don't think being a Michigan State man qualifies you for a coaching job unless you played at Michigan State between 2008 and 2015.
00:45:27
Speaker
So Darian Harris.
00:45:33
Speaker
What?
00:45:33
Speaker
Darian Harris.
00:45:36
Speaker
I think, like, I think there's a couple of other dudes on that team that are, like, coaching on those teams that are, like, coaching kids at camps and stuff.
00:45:45
Speaker
I think, like, Jarrell Worthy runs a camp.
00:45:52
Speaker
I think Greg Jones runs a camp.
00:45:54
Speaker
A name I've heard get, like, linked to the job.
00:45:59
Speaker
He's a little older than that, but Ronaldo Hill apparently is doing really well.
00:46:03
Speaker
He's not leaving the NFL, dude.
00:46:05
Speaker
I know he's not, but it's a name worth mentioning because other people see me mentioning it.
00:46:09
Speaker
Vola, I mean, obviously this is not going to happen, but he's at Notre Dame.
00:46:16
Speaker
I think he's their assistant linebackers coach or something.
00:46:20
Speaker
Could you imagine?
00:46:21
Speaker
He's not going to be a head coach, but like, I mean, if you're going to build a pro and I think like, and I'm going to reference a Vanini tweet from like 2020 where right around the time of this hire, like,
00:46:33
Speaker
If you're going to talk about bringing in Michigan, because this relates to the whole Michigan State ties thing.
00:46:39
Speaker
If you're going to build a program, you want to bring people in that were around when Michigan State was great.
00:46:48
Speaker
And, like, I thought that's what they were doing with Darian Harris.
00:46:52
Speaker
Didn't help Mel Tucker, but Darian Harris is great.
00:46:54
Speaker
He's now with the AD.
00:46:56
Speaker
But, like –
00:46:57
Speaker
Max Bullock, an opportunity.
00:46:59
Speaker
Bring him in as a defensive assistant when you build out your staff.
00:47:04
Speaker
Let these kids know what it was like to win those games in 2013 or 2011 or even 2012 we had an excellent defense but an Andrew Maxwell offense.
00:47:10
Speaker
But
00:47:19
Speaker
Those are the guys you bring in and then build them up.
00:47:21
Speaker
And then in the future, like 10, 20 years down the line, when they're becoming head coaches, those are the Michigan State names that you look for, not guys that fucking played under Dan Perles in 1995 or whatever.
00:47:33
Speaker
I want to do an exercise real quick.
00:47:35
Speaker
I want you all to close your eyes and just imagine this.
00:47:37
Speaker
Max Bolo, head coach at a Michigan State University.
00:47:41
Speaker
The year is 2035, and people are still asking him why he got suspended for the Rose Bowl.
00:47:54
Speaker
Anyways, yeah, no, I just like these MSU ties are like, these are guys that played at MSU and we were not good, right?
00:48:04
Speaker
Like, I...
00:48:07
Speaker
I kind of wish, like, Connor Cook wasn't, like, a real estate agent and he actually got into coaching.
00:48:12
Speaker
No, he is a real estate agent.
00:48:15
Speaker
Yeah, he is really a real estate agent.
00:48:18
Speaker
So is Riley Bull since you mentioned him, too.
00:48:21
Speaker
I wish, like, Connor Cook was, like, got into coaching and make his name – he could be, like, our –
00:48:32
Speaker
Colin Kline or whatever.
00:48:34
Speaker
This is a fun one.
00:48:35
Speaker
Close your eyes.
00:48:36
Speaker
Imagine this.
00:48:36
Speaker
Michigan State wins the Big Ten with Connor Cook as their head coach in 2043.
00:48:39
Speaker
Some random legend comes up with a fucking hand in the trophy and he swats the hand away.
00:48:45
Speaker
Grab the trophy.
00:48:47
Speaker
Let's do it.
00:48:48
Speaker
I'm in.
00:48:50
Speaker
Yeah, yeah.
00:48:52
Speaker
Like, who was the last Heisman winner at Ohio State?
00:48:55
Speaker
Troy Smith, wasn't it?
00:48:58
Speaker
Yeah, Troy Smith goes to hand him the Big Ten trophy, and then just like Connor Cook just gives him like a bro handshake and just like, yeah, guys.
00:49:11
Speaker
But yeah, that's my thoughts on like Michigan State ties.
00:49:17
Speaker
Do you want to address the big elephant of the blue check marks in the room?
00:49:24
Speaker
What the fuck?
00:49:26
Speaker
Oh my God.
00:49:27
Speaker
Yeah.
00:49:28
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
00:49:29
Speaker
15 million years for a guy who hasn't won anything.
00:49:33
Speaker
15 million years for a guy who can't count to 11.
00:49:38
Speaker
For people that don't know, Rico Beard said that MSU should try and go and get Marcus Freeman, who hasn't really won shit in Notre Dame.
00:49:48
Speaker
Also coached at fucking Notre Dame.
00:49:50
Speaker
Yeah.
00:49:53
Speaker
He said that they should pay him, try and pay him $10 million,
00:49:57
Speaker
The funny thing about Notre Dame doesn't pay his whole contract.
00:50:01
Speaker
They only pay part of it.
00:50:02
Speaker
Nobody knows the entire details because it's a private school.
00:50:06
Speaker
Kind of like the Duke thing.
00:50:07
Speaker
I think it probably comes from like collection trees at Catholic churches.
00:50:12
Speaker
Under Armour.
00:50:13
Speaker
But in all seriousness, I heard that Under Armour.
00:50:16
Speaker
Kidding, kidding.
00:50:17
Speaker
I understand.
00:50:18
Speaker
But in all seriousness, I heard that Under Armour pays part of his contract too.
00:50:23
Speaker
So he's getting more –
00:50:25
Speaker
money than what people are saying is for Notre Dame.
00:50:29
Speaker
And the concept behind what they want, what Rico was trying to say behind it, I kind of agree with, just throw money and shoot your shot from the high profile guys like Dan Lanning, for example.
00:50:39
Speaker
But like, if you're going to list a guy who could come here, don't list the head coach of Notre Dame.
00:50:46
Speaker
And don't list a guy that's going to do Ross L's problems, but on critical moments on defense.
00:50:50
Speaker
Oh my God.
00:50:51
Speaker
Two straight plays.
00:50:53
Speaker
It was two in a row.
00:50:57
Speaker
You'd have better look.
00:50:58
Speaker
I mean, it's like putting Jim Harbaugh's name on our coaching list.
00:51:02
Speaker
Just why?
00:51:03
Speaker
It's not happening.
00:51:04
Speaker
Let's not.
00:51:04
Speaker
It's not a waste of time, but Rico just.
00:51:10
Speaker
How is Rico Beard employed in sports radio?
00:51:12
Speaker
I really want to know that.
00:51:14
Speaker
Other people at 97.1.
00:51:17
Speaker
Yeah.
00:51:17
Speaker
Have you, yeah.
00:51:19
Speaker
I don't listen to 97 one that much, but, um, I've never seen here.
00:51:23
Speaker
I've never heard anyone drop so many just L takes in a row on something.
00:51:28
Speaker
You don't listen to the other shows.
00:51:31
Speaker
Yeah.
00:51:31
Speaker
The other shows are not great.
00:51:34
Speaker
Well, the other shows are literally meant for people three times my age.
00:51:38
Speaker
So, yeah.
00:51:40
Speaker
Yeah, I used to listen to Valenian Foster back in the day a lot.
00:51:44
Speaker
And I think with podcasting and all that stuff, it's like, yeah, I don't really need to listen to people calling into a show and just showing their ass.
00:51:57
Speaker
Honestly, I feel bad for them.
00:51:59
Speaker
Some of the things they have to hear on a daily basis.
00:52:03
Speaker
There was a guy that called and mentioned Pat Shermer.
00:52:06
Speaker
And the legend just got out, but he walked away.
00:52:09
Speaker
It wasn't just a guy on 97.1.
00:52:12
Speaker
I've seen that name mentioned by reputable sites.
00:52:15
Speaker
Yeah.
00:52:16
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I guess we can go into, like, the wild-ass names from blue check marks.
00:52:21
Speaker
Like, just like – like, we mentioned a couple already, but, like, Mike Stoops, right, from Kentucky.
00:52:30
Speaker
Dave Durant.
00:52:31
Speaker
I would not –
00:52:32
Speaker
Okay, I'm going to say this now.
00:52:33
Speaker
I would not hate that.
00:52:35
Speaker
No, I wouldn't be a huge fan, but I wouldn't hate it.
00:52:38
Speaker
I would be pro of that, but also I don't think he's leaning in Ducky.
00:52:41
Speaker
No.
00:52:42
Speaker
He's having a good time there.
00:52:44
Speaker
He's being paid $9 million a year, I think, isn't it?
00:52:45
Speaker
Yeah, it's $9 million a year to win like eight, nine games.
00:52:49
Speaker
Yeah, no expectations.
00:52:50
Speaker
Exactly.
00:52:52
Speaker
Yeah.
00:52:53
Speaker
Like, dude, just like bring in money to fund the basketball program.
00:52:56
Speaker
Bring money in and then like just like give us something to do in the fall.
00:53:01
Speaker
Basketball is the moneymaker here.
00:53:03
Speaker
Win eight games.
00:53:04
Speaker
Like, whatever.
00:53:05
Speaker
Pay for the other things.
00:53:07
Speaker
The irony of that, the biggest reason I think he would leave Kentucky is because him and Cal are beefing.
00:53:12
Speaker
Do you remember that shit?
00:53:13
Speaker
Yeah, it's true.
00:53:15
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
00:53:15
Speaker
They were arguing.
00:53:16
Speaker
They were like, oh, yeah.
00:53:18
Speaker
Kentucky's a football school.
00:53:19
Speaker
No, it's a basketball school.
00:53:22
Speaker
Definitely basketball school.
00:53:24
Speaker
Definitely basketball school.
00:53:27
Speaker
Yeah.
00:53:27
Speaker
So we got, we got, I mean, heard other names, Willie Fritz.
00:53:33
Speaker
53 years old.
00:53:34
Speaker
Yeah.
00:53:35
Speaker
Like I want, I want a guy that's going to be here for like 10 to 15 years.
00:53:40
Speaker
Like I don't want to deal with this shit again when I'm like 45.
00:53:45
Speaker
Like I, this is too much.
00:53:49
Speaker
And, like, I guess, like, oh, yeah.
00:53:51
Speaker
And then we got Brian Hartline, Sharon Moore, like offensive coordinators, right?
00:53:56
Speaker
Yeah.
00:53:56
Speaker
They're not leaving.
00:53:57
Speaker
Brian Hartline's not out of the league.
00:53:58
Speaker
Got it.
00:53:59
Speaker
Brian Hartline recruits the Ohio State.
00:54:04
Speaker
I know people bring up it.
00:54:05
Speaker
Dude, Ohio State recruits itself.
00:54:08
Speaker
He doesn't call the plays.
00:54:09
Speaker
Hartline doesn't call plays.
00:54:12
Speaker
Based on speculation here, Hartline's leaving after this year.
00:54:15
Speaker
Sharon Moore's going to get the job there.
00:54:16
Speaker
I agree.
00:54:17
Speaker
I agree with that.
00:54:18
Speaker
If Ryan Day lose to Michigan this year, he might get fired out there too.
00:54:21
Speaker
Brian Hartline's that guy in my area.
00:54:23
Speaker
These guys have jobs lined up for them at places that they want to coach.
00:54:28
Speaker
They're not on our list.
00:54:30
Speaker
Bill O'Brien.
00:54:33
Speaker
No.
00:54:35
Speaker
Mark D'Antonio.
00:54:38
Speaker
Love you, Coach D.
00:54:39
Speaker
But please stay retired.
00:54:41
Speaker
I know.
00:54:42
Speaker
We were here saying 63 years old.
00:54:44
Speaker
Man, the guy's 70.
00:54:45
Speaker
Fuck that.
00:54:46
Speaker
Yeah.
00:54:47
Speaker
Hey, do you guys feel like rowing the boat?
00:54:52
Speaker
Okay.
00:54:52
Speaker
That's one where if they hired P.J.
00:54:55
Speaker
Fleck, I'd drop my football.
00:54:56
Speaker
Jason Kandel of Toledo.
00:54:57
Speaker
The Toledo Rockets.
00:55:00
Speaker
Yeah, the Ohio State of the Mac.
00:55:03
Speaker
Yes, please.
00:55:03
Speaker
Do you remember Brian Harsin at Auburn?
00:55:04
Speaker
That sounds great.
00:55:05
Speaker
Do you remember Brian Harsin at Auburn?
00:55:07
Speaker
Yeah, it'd be the exact same thing.
00:55:10
Speaker
Yeah.
00:55:11
Speaker
And then Chris Creighton.
00:55:13
Speaker
No.
00:55:14
Speaker
I mean, there would be worse hires, but no.
00:55:18
Speaker
He's 56.
00:55:19
Speaker
He can develop.
00:55:21
Speaker
I've seen worse names mentioned.
00:55:22
Speaker
He just doesn't have any cachet.
00:55:24
Speaker
That's the thing.
00:55:26
Speaker
You know.
00:55:27
Speaker
The betting saver right now is actually, oh, God.
00:55:32
Speaker
Oh my God.
00:55:33
Speaker
This is, I just looked at this.
00:55:35
Speaker
Yeah.
00:55:35
Speaker
So we're going to go into the betting odds.
00:55:38
Speaker
Sports illustrated.
00:55:38
Speaker
This was two weeks ago.
00:55:40
Speaker
You want to read this off?
00:55:41
Speaker
I feel like you'll have strong emotional attachment to this.
00:55:45
Speaker
Um, wait, did I, have I been calling Chris?
00:55:49
Speaker
Wait, what?
00:55:51
Speaker
So yeah, the favorite typo, they're like, they've been calling, they put, what the hell is this?
00:55:58
Speaker
This is like, Trussell was first, right?
00:56:01
Speaker
No, no.
00:56:02
Speaker
So they did call Chris Elko.
00:56:04
Speaker
They called Mike Elko Chris Elko.
00:56:05
Speaker
Yeah, they called Chris Elko.
00:56:05
Speaker
I'm like, what the hell?
00:56:06
Speaker
Oh, that's right.
00:56:07
Speaker
Yeah.
00:56:07
Speaker
The number one betting favorite in – oh, my God.
00:56:11
Speaker
I almost want to call him Lord Voldemort at this point.
00:56:13
Speaker
Harlan Barnett.
00:56:16
Speaker
Yeah, the guy who just coached that game at Iowa is the betting favorite.
00:56:24
Speaker
Great dude.
00:56:25
Speaker
Just not built to be a head football coach.
00:56:27
Speaker
I don't know if you guys listened to his presser today.
00:56:29
Speaker
I know we're kind of going off topic here.
00:56:31
Speaker
But he said something like – or he was calling people, other coaches, to find out how to be a more disciplined team.
00:56:40
Speaker
Because we're close.
00:56:42
Speaker
Oh, my God.
00:56:43
Speaker
Here's the question.
00:56:44
Speaker
Why are you calling other coaches when you have fucking Mark D'Antonio in the room?
00:56:50
Speaker
What's the point of him then?
00:56:51
Speaker
Why are you calling – yeah, what's the point of him being there?
00:56:55
Speaker
Who are you calling?
00:56:55
Speaker
What is he doing then?
00:56:57
Speaker
Who are you calling even?
00:56:59
Speaker
I know you're not calling Willie Taggart.
00:57:00
Speaker
Yeah, no, right.
00:57:01
Speaker
That's exactly what I was just going to say.
00:57:04
Speaker
He's calling Pat Shermer.
00:57:09
Speaker
Yeah, he might be calling him.
00:57:11
Speaker
He's calling Bill O'Brien.
00:57:12
Speaker
He's calling everybody on the Saban-Belichick coaching tree.
00:57:18
Speaker
He might be calling number two on this list.
00:57:20
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Mike Trestle.
00:57:21
Speaker
Kill me.
00:57:23
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No.
00:57:23
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No.
00:57:25
Speaker
I did have a dumb shit take a couple weeks ago or maybe actually no God feels like it's been so long but last week would this program have been in better shape in 2020 if they hired Trestle for one year interview no they wouldn't have the younger talent no yeah alright well I'm wrong who the fuck is Chris Elko maybe Mike Elko it's a little it's a little league outfit out there
00:57:55
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Mike Elko, number three.
00:57:56
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Chris Kleeman, number four.
00:57:58
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Huff, number five.
00:57:59
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Tywin, number five with no.
00:58:02
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Number six, Heartline.
00:58:05
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Or number seven.
00:58:07
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Another name.
00:58:08
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Another name that's a hell no.
00:58:09
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Matt Campbell.
00:58:10
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Jim Leonard.
00:58:14
Speaker
Get Matt Campbell's name out of here.
00:58:15
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Jim Leonard.
00:58:17
Speaker
Wisconsin did not want him.
00:58:19
Speaker
I understand that they got Luke Fickle, but Wisconsin said no.
00:58:22
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That's all I need to know about.
00:58:24
Speaker
No thanks.
00:58:25
Speaker
Yeah, just no.
00:58:29
Speaker
By the way, in case anyone was wondering who Huff is tied with, it's Narduzzi.
00:58:38
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I don't understand.
00:58:39
Speaker
Get him out of everything.
00:58:40
Speaker
Oh, my God.
00:58:41
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I don't know these people.
00:58:43
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One in four.
00:58:45
Speaker
Enough.
00:58:46
Speaker
They lost to Virginia Tech.
00:58:48
Speaker
They fucking suck.
00:58:50
Speaker
His only good team lost to Mel Tucker without K-9.
00:58:54
Speaker
Without Kenneth Walker.
00:58:55
Speaker
Exactly.
00:58:58
Speaker
You lost to Mel Tucker.
00:58:59
Speaker
If you lost to Mel Tucker, you should be off this list.
00:59:01
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Jim Harbaugh.
00:59:08
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Pat Fitzgerald.
00:59:09
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Dude, he was – I don't know if you guys saw, but he was at the game on Saturday.
00:59:15
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Yeah, on Iowa sideline.
00:59:17
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Yeah.
00:59:18
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Was he beating kids?
00:59:20
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Walking around with an Iowa polo.
00:59:22
Speaker
I'm like, what the hell?
00:59:24
Speaker
I mean, it makes sense based on Iowa history.
00:59:29
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It's the old boys club.
00:59:31
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Doyle, the dude, their strength coach.
00:59:35
Speaker
I forgot about him.
00:59:36
Speaker
No, it's the old boys club.
00:59:38
Speaker
You'll see it in basketball, too.
00:59:39
Speaker
Izzo will have the most random people on the sideline.
00:59:42
Speaker
Izzo definitely was over there chopping it up with good old Pat.
00:59:48
Speaker
Yeah.
00:59:48
Speaker
Yeah.
00:59:51
Speaker
Yeah.
00:59:52
Speaker
All right.
00:59:53
Speaker
Well, that concludes the rags.
00:59:57
Speaker
And now we go to our final segment where I think we're going to have our most fun.
01:00:01
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We call it The Wire, a.k.a.
01:00:03
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Showing Your Ass Online, a collection of the finest takes that we've seen on the internet.
01:00:12
Speaker
The first one, by the way, there's more to that.
01:00:15
Speaker
There might be some smoke to that fire.
01:00:19
Speaker
I hope not.
01:00:22
Speaker
I did see a little bit.
01:00:24
Speaker
For those that are unaware, all five of you that are probably listening right now, we're talking about Urban Meyer.
01:00:31
Speaker
We've kind of alluded to it.
01:00:33
Speaker
We've kind of alluded to him throughout the whole show.
01:00:36
Speaker
But if you're online by any stretch of the means, you're seeing a significant portion of the fan base just showing their dicks for Urban Meyer.
01:00:47
Speaker
Four fingers of every buckle in America.
01:00:51
Speaker
I think – I mean, I talked to you guys a little bit about it like a couple days ago, but maybe things have changed a little bit within the three of us.
01:01:01
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But I'm firmly on the no urban.
01:01:04
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I am on the no urban bandwagon.
01:01:07
Speaker
No urban.
01:01:09
Speaker
Harlan Barnett has me in such a dark place that I went from I can support urban, but I prefer not to.
01:01:15
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I want urban.
01:01:17
Speaker
Blame Harlan Barnett for this.
01:01:18
Speaker
The blood is on his hands.
01:01:21
Speaker
I'll support him if he's the coach, but it's like, do I want him to be the next head coach?
01:01:28
Speaker
I know he'd win games.
01:01:29
Speaker
Like, that's the one thing.
01:01:30
Speaker
You know what he's doing?
01:01:32
Speaker
Will he?
01:01:32
Speaker
Will he?
01:01:33
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Blake, all right.
01:01:35
Speaker
He's got it.
01:01:35
Speaker
The thing I want to go back to is, like, people that have left the NFL disgraced, like, had a bad – got fired in the NFL and came back to college.
01:01:46
Speaker
How well did they do when they came back to college?
01:01:48
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I can think of, like, a couple of names right now.
01:01:51
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I can think of – The big one I can think of right now is Matt Rule.
01:01:55
Speaker
Yeah, Matt Rule.
01:01:58
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Chip Kelly.
01:02:00
Speaker
Chip Kelly's an okay.
01:02:01
Speaker
I mean –
01:02:02
Speaker
He's been okay, but he hasn't like – he wasn't like he was before.
01:02:05
Speaker
He came back a changed person.
01:02:07
Speaker
Yeah.
01:02:10
Speaker
And I think like people will be like, well, Nick Saban came back from the NFL.
01:02:13
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I'm like, yeah, I don't think he was fired.
01:02:14
Speaker
He was hired by Alabama.
01:02:16
Speaker
He was probably going to lose his job after – yeah, he was probably done.
01:02:22
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Well, so there's a reason why I said Dan Lanning would be my number one, including Urban.
01:02:26
Speaker
And that's the real reason why Urban's 60 –
01:02:29
Speaker
He's got his off-field baggage.
01:02:31
Speaker
He's got the whole Jacksonville thing.
01:02:34
Speaker
If Urban's the next head coach, which I don't think is going to happen anyways, obviously, but he's 60.
01:02:40
Speaker
It's probably a five-year thing.
01:02:43
Speaker
He's not sticking around, dude.
01:02:45
Speaker
That's the thing.
01:02:45
Speaker
We're going to be back to square one in five years, probably with a Ryan Day-esque assistant as our coach.
01:02:53
Speaker
I wouldn't say back to square one.
01:02:55
Speaker
Ohio State's in a lot better place right now than they were before Urban.
01:02:58
Speaker
Not a lot better.
01:03:00
Speaker
but they are in a better place but it's just like i want to have that for the rest of my life knowing that we are the reason why urban meyer has a picture of has become a meme of eating sad pizza because we did that to him um but the thing is like and i've been like and i and this is like the discourse that i've seen on twitter a lot like oh if you don't want urban meyer you don't want to win i'm like
01:03:24
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You want, you're only caring about image and all that stuff.
01:03:26
Speaker
I'm like, all right, hiring the right guy for the program and winning are not mutually exclusive.
01:03:32
Speaker
Right.
01:03:33
Speaker
Also, there's, there's also something that needs to be said about the fact that the administration cares about being an AAU top 25 public university over 12 fall Saturdays a year, which as an institution of higher learning, that is good.
01:03:49
Speaker
Yep.
01:03:51
Speaker
I mean, that's where the money comes from.
01:03:52
Speaker
Right.
01:03:53
Speaker
I feel like 15K a year to go there.
01:03:55
Speaker
You care more about the value of a degree and the reputation of the university.
01:03:58
Speaker
I mean, like, I'm sure you care about the football, but there's more to it.
01:04:03
Speaker
And, like, wanting a coach that hasn't ended every single one of his previous stints in weird or, in the case of Jacksonville, obvious shitty circumstances, uh...
01:04:19
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like, is not mutually exclusive to winning.
01:04:21
Speaker
Like, we've listed, like, five guys that are winning, and they're winning right now.
01:04:26
Speaker
Urban Meyer, the last time he coached on a fucking college sideline was, what, 2018?
01:04:31
Speaker
18, yeah.
01:04:33
Speaker
That was before NIL.
01:04:34
Speaker
That was before the transfer portal, right?
01:04:37
Speaker
My thing with him, though, and I'm not advocating for him, but he is on an NIL board associated with Ohio State.
01:04:47
Speaker
So I think that he would be able to navigate that.
01:04:49
Speaker
Transfer portal?
01:04:50
Speaker
I don't know.
01:04:51
Speaker
I think he'd be able to navigate an aisle.
01:04:53
Speaker
I think he really would.
01:04:54
Speaker
Transfer portal, honestly.
01:04:55
Speaker
I think he's a good point here.
01:04:59
Speaker
And I'm not, like I said, do I want to sell my soul?
01:05:02
Speaker
Like, I'm not exactly sold on it, but, like, I get why people are.
01:05:07
Speaker
I mean, dude, we are watching some pretty shitty football right now.
01:05:10
Speaker
It sucks.
01:05:12
Speaker
This is what watching Harlan Barnett coach games does to a person.
01:05:16
Speaker
Yep.
01:05:17
Speaker
I just wanted to get that out there.
01:05:20
Speaker
I just wanted to get it out there.
01:05:22
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I want to win.
01:05:25
Speaker
There are other candidates out there that will win.
01:05:28
Speaker
It doesn't have to be exclusive.
01:05:30
Speaker
I totally agree with that.
01:05:31
Speaker
You can find a good coach that's not as... Most college coaches are pieces of shit.
01:05:37
Speaker
Let's be honest.
01:05:41
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
01:05:43
Speaker
Ryan, watch your microphone.
01:05:44
Speaker
Watch your microphone.
01:05:46
Speaker
You're probably putting your finger on the mic a little bit.
01:05:48
Speaker
Yeah.
01:05:49
Speaker
There we go.
01:05:50
Speaker
But, like, he's not, like – like, you can get a coach without a shoddy grab.
01:05:56
Speaker
My only thing is our biggest rival right now is a statue of a guy who covered up four decades of sexual assault.
01:06:03
Speaker
So I really don't care about playing the moral card right now.
01:06:05
Speaker
I think – yeah.
01:06:06
Speaker
I mean, of course.
01:06:06
Speaker
I totally –
01:06:12
Speaker
I get both sides of the coin.
01:06:14
Speaker
I really do.
01:06:15
Speaker
I think the thing is, not only with the moral side, I have doubts whether he'll be good if he came and coached out.
01:06:23
Speaker
That's definitely a big issue.
01:06:25
Speaker
It's not just that he's got all the baggage.
01:06:28
Speaker
I doubt that he'll be good.
01:06:29
Speaker
I doubt that... I think...
01:06:32
Speaker
I don't know if the Jacksonville experience has not only changed him, but also changed his reputation.
01:06:39
Speaker
Like you can negatively recruit against this guy being like, yo, like you want to go and play in the NFL?
01:06:45
Speaker
Like this guy, like he bombed in the NFL.
01:06:49
Speaker
Everybody in the locker room hated him.
01:06:51
Speaker
Like he he's left everywhere.
01:06:54
Speaker
He's been after four years.
01:06:55
Speaker
Like you really want to go play for this guy?
01:06:57
Speaker
Like come to Michigan.
01:06:58
Speaker
We've been to the playoffs and lost the past two years.
01:07:02
Speaker
You could also negative recruit Michigan and say that he went 7-0 against him when he was there.
01:07:06
Speaker
It goes both ways.
01:07:09
Speaker
I like how every one of us is arguing both for and against him.
01:07:13
Speaker
I get both sides.
01:07:16
Speaker
That's somehow the perfect Urban Meyer experience.
01:07:19
Speaker
You're selling your soul to win and you're not going to feel good about doing it, but damn, you're going to win.
01:07:24
Speaker
I want to sell my soul to win.
01:07:27
Speaker
Actually, I don't even know where
01:07:29
Speaker
Yeah, that's the one guy right now where you say maybe there's a small chance he comes here that has a shitty past.
01:07:38
Speaker
I mean, if you believe, it sounds like there's a little bit more than a small chance.
01:07:44
Speaker
I'm not.
01:07:45
Speaker
Dude, even the insiders are saying don't get your hopes up.
01:07:52
Speaker
No, my hopes are up.
01:07:54
Speaker
That's your own fault, dude.
01:07:56
Speaker
I'm going to take four showers for saying this, but my hopes are up.
01:08:00
Speaker
It's probably not going to happen.
01:08:02
Speaker
I did want to go over – I'm not going to name the Twitter tweet that did this, but I did want to go over this banger related to the urban discourse today.
01:08:12
Speaker
I saw this.
01:08:13
Speaker
Somebody tweeted, the reality is that if Urban Meyer was really a corrupt and immoral person, he wouldn't have any place on national media like Fox.
01:08:20
Speaker
I saw that.
01:08:22
Speaker
Oh, my God.
01:08:23
Speaker
Yeah, that was –
01:08:25
Speaker
Don't make up stuff like because it's not a coaching job.
01:08:31
Speaker
That makes no sense.
01:08:32
Speaker
Just stop.
01:08:34
Speaker
Rupert Murdoch in line one.
01:08:37
Speaker
Well, yeah.
01:08:37
Speaker
Also, he shares airtime with Clay Travis.
01:08:40
Speaker
Oh, my God.
01:08:41
Speaker
I forgot about that.
01:08:42
Speaker
Yeah.
01:08:44
Speaker
Not great.
01:08:45
Speaker
I think it was.
01:08:47
Speaker
Yeah.
01:08:48
Speaker
There's just bangers on bangers.
01:08:50
Speaker
Yeah.
01:08:53
Speaker
this dude that's calling everybody little brother.
01:08:55
Speaker
If you want anybody besides urban Meyer, like the only way that we can win is with urban Meyer.
01:09:00
Speaker
Like, and I've made points to him saying exactly what I said.
01:09:04
Speaker
Dude, there are some people, there are some people in our fan base right now that do not deserve internet access.
01:09:10
Speaker
I mean, that's, that's, that's most of the world.
01:09:13
Speaker
Let's keep it real.
01:09:16
Speaker
And there's still some people defending Mel Tugger.
01:09:19
Speaker
Like 1% of people like,
01:09:23
Speaker
Oh my god, those people are the dumbest people on planet Earth at this point.
01:09:27
Speaker
Do you guys have any bangers that you want to call out?
01:09:30
Speaker
Mgo seems to be thinking we should go after Chris Creighton.
01:09:35
Speaker
Of course they do.
01:09:37
Speaker
Isn't this the same website that thought Kirk Cousins was going to be a failure in 2007?
01:09:41
Speaker
I'm pretty sure they also say you're Bat Rather Hall.
01:09:45
Speaker
Oh yeah.
01:09:48
Speaker
11 Warriors is Pat Fitzgerald named.
01:09:52
Speaker
I saw Matt House named multiple times.
01:09:56
Speaker
That was brutal.
01:09:59
Speaker
Yeah, Deion's not leaving.
01:10:01
Speaker
That'd be great.
01:10:03
Speaker
It'd be hilarious.
01:10:05
Speaker
I'm just trying to look through.
01:10:06
Speaker
Someone said, convince me Ken Jeong couldn't do better at OC.
01:10:10
Speaker
That's from RCMB.
01:10:11
Speaker
Oh, I saw Duke fans saying that the MSU job is not better than the Duke job.
01:10:16
Speaker
That was funny.
01:10:17
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
01:10:17
Speaker
That was all over the place.
01:10:19
Speaker
Yeah.
01:10:20
Speaker
It's all over the message board.
01:10:25
Speaker
Yeah, I just... I mean, there's... Yeah.
01:10:28
Speaker
There's a couple characters on... Sorry.
01:10:31
Speaker
Oh, I love RCMB right now because it's just half the poster.
01:10:34
Speaker
Just like, how the hell could you look at Urban Meyer on the other half?
01:10:36
Speaker
It's like, Urban Meyer, please.
01:10:38
Speaker
Notice me, Senpai.
01:10:39
Speaker
Notice me.
01:10:41
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Yes, Daddy.
01:10:41
Speaker
Please, Urban.
01:10:43
Speaker
Step on my throat.
01:10:44
Speaker
Spit on me.
01:10:47
Speaker
Yeah.
01:10:50
Speaker
Yeah, I...
01:10:52
Speaker
I, uh, that's how I feel about urban.
01:10:55
Speaker
Uh, I think that I, not only the baggage, but I have doubts.
01:11:02
Speaker
I, he's not, he's not the same guy who was 10 years ago.
01:11:05
Speaker
Right.
01:11:06
Speaker
And the landscape is different than it was 10 years ago.
01:11:09
Speaker
And he has, I know people make fun of him for the health issues, but he has had legitimate health issues.
01:11:15
Speaker
Like it's an actual thing.
01:11:18
Speaker
Yes.
01:11:20
Speaker
So that's something to think about.
01:11:23
Speaker
But I mean, given his track record, I'm sure he'll find healing power at Rick's.
01:11:27
Speaker
At the very minimum, he would raise the floor of the program.
01:11:32
Speaker
I will say that.
01:11:32
Speaker
I'm not advocating for him, but I'm just pointing out things that I would... Could you imagine firing...
01:11:47
Speaker
Mel Tucker for a moral turpitude and then hiring Urban Meyer immediately.
01:11:51
Speaker
It would be a really bad look optically.
01:11:52
Speaker
Like, there's no question about it.
01:11:55
Speaker
Like, I would not be defending the guy.
01:11:58
Speaker
Like, no way.
01:11:59
Speaker
Like, he's a piece of shit, but hey, he's my football coach, I guess.
01:12:02
Speaker
Like,
01:12:04
Speaker
The year is 2026.
01:12:06
Speaker
The year is 2026.
01:12:07
Speaker
It's an August Friday night in EL.
01:12:10
Speaker
MSU is celebrating its second natty under head coach Urban Meyer.
01:12:13
Speaker
Taylor Swift is in the press box to see Kate and Hauser go for 450 in five TDs.
01:12:17
Speaker
Life is good.
01:12:19
Speaker
Urban Meyer hasn't won two fucking national championships at anywhere he was at.
01:12:23
Speaker
Florida.
01:12:24
Speaker
Okay, take that back, Florida.
01:12:25
Speaker
He did it at Florida.
01:12:27
Speaker
But guess what?
01:12:27
Speaker
He was also fucking 40 years old.
01:12:31
Speaker
Yeah, Tim Tebow and Aaron Hernandez.
01:12:35
Speaker
Percy Harvin.
01:12:37
Speaker
Yeah.
01:12:41
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know.
01:12:41
Speaker
I just – I don't think he's the same person.
01:12:44
Speaker
And I think there's like – if you're going to shoot your shot, Urban Meyer – the money that I think Urban Meyer would want to go back coaching, shoot your shot and go after Kalen DeBoer.
01:12:55
Speaker
You can go shoot your shot.
01:12:57
Speaker
Urban Meyer's got a lot of experience with that.
01:13:00
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And Urban's making –
01:13:01
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I think he's making 7 mil at Fox right now.
01:13:04
Speaker
Yeah.
01:13:05
Speaker
Yeah, dude.
01:13:07
Speaker
You're just like... You're there sitting next to Mark Ingram Jr. You're just having a good time and making that much.
01:13:12
Speaker
Right.
01:13:13
Speaker
I don't know.
01:13:15
Speaker
I guess coaches kind of have an ego, obviously.
01:13:18
Speaker
Get to make fun of fucking Brady Quinn's gumpy ass every day.
01:13:23
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Yeah, but I can see the appeal of leading Fox just so you can get further away from Klay Travis.
01:13:28
Speaker
I honestly...
01:13:29
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I think he's going to wind up coaching somewhere.
01:13:31
Speaker
It might not be this year, but I think sometime he's going to bind up coaching again somewhere.
01:13:34
Speaker
Oh, I know.
01:13:35
Speaker
I don't know when.
01:13:36
Speaker
Oh, Oh, A&M.
01:13:38
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Yeah.
01:13:38
Speaker
Oh yeah.
01:13:39
Speaker
Yeah.
01:13:40
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He'll go to A&M.
01:13:41
Speaker
That was exactly my thought.
01:13:43
Speaker
Yeah.
01:13:46
Speaker
Do you guys have any fun posts to share or should we put a button on it for the first episode?
01:13:52
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Next week, I think we'll have some more good stuff with all the stuff that's been coming out this week.
01:13:56
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I think that's the way to go.
01:13:58
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All right.
01:13:58
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Well,
01:13:59
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Fuck Harlan Barnett.
01:14:01
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We're close, guys.
01:14:02
Speaker
We're close.
01:14:02
Speaker
We're real close.
01:14:04
Speaker
We're close.
01:14:05
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Fuck Jay Johnson.
01:14:07
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Fuck Chris – fuck Coach Kapp.
01:14:10
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Fuck Ross Ells.
01:14:12
Speaker
Yeah.
01:14:12
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And fuck Scottie Hazleton.
01:14:14
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I'm not going to put this one on Harlan Barnett.
01:14:16
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Like, he kind of got put in a shit spot being the only person on the staff not hired.
01:14:21
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The only person on the staff that wasn't brought in by Mel Tucker.
01:14:25
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He was retained from the previous staff.
01:14:27
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I just want to say that.
01:14:29
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I think they picked him because he didn't have the ties like the other guys did.
01:14:34
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I just want to say that we're close to the new keep chopping.
01:14:38
Speaker
Nothing funnier to me and sad at the same time than when he was doing the keep chopping signal down 28-0 in the first half against Washington.
01:14:47
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No.
01:14:48
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I can do one better.
01:14:50
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Ben or whatever against Minnesota last year after a personal foul.
01:14:54
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Keep chopping, bro.
01:14:57
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
Coaching Search Journey and Listener Engagement
01:15:00
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We have a long road ahead of us, friends.
01:15:03
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Those of you that are listening to us, we'll be back.
01:15:07
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As you can tell, the coaching search is going to be fun.
01:15:10
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It's going to have some ups and downs.
01:15:12
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It's going to have some wild shenanigans.
01:15:14
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And the three of us are going to be there to guide you along, either keep you on track or derail everything and whatever.
01:15:24
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So for the search, I'm Ali.
01:15:29
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Ryan, we're close.
01:15:33
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Yeah.
01:15:34
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And that was the butt boy.
01:15:35
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All right.
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