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Episode 2: Urban Conversion
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Uhh, mindsets are changing within The Search Crew regarding a certain candidate.
We start off with a rant, touch on the 2024 schedule, discuss the coaching candidates, and wrap up by giving our takes on media takes.
Producers Note: Yea, I know, the audio isn't that great, but deal with it.
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Introduction and Context
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All right, all right, everybody.
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Welcome to another episode of The Search.
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I am one of your hosts, Ali, joined by Ryan, a.k.a.
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Spartan Ryan, and Zanjo, a.k.a.
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Return of Bop Boy.
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Episode two.
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We are here very quickly after the first episode.
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We told you we're not going to be on a regular cadence, and here we are.
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Seven days hasn't even passed, but so much shit has happened that we decided to do a recording this weekend, and all the games haven't been played yet.
The Soapbox Segment
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So I wanted to do some housekeeping before we get started.
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We did do some slight changes to the layout, you'll see, but...
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generally the same thing as before.
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We're going to first go off and start off with our new segment called The Soapbox, where one of us goes on a rant about something they've seen this week.
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And this week's soapbox is brought to you by the Butt Boy.
News and Updates
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Then we're going to go talk about some news around the program and, for example, things going on with the Tugger hearings and the schedule drop
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came out this week for the 2024 to 2028 seasons and dive into a little bit of how next year's schedule might be good or bad for whoever coaches us.
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And we're going to go a quick run through of the candidate tracker.
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At the time of recording, we have most of the candidates have played.
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We have one more playing later tonight, but
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We'll do a quick run through of that.
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And then we're going to go into the rags.
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So, guys, what serious medical conditions you guys got this week?
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It's been lasting more than four hours, I guess.
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What caused that?
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All the urban rumors?
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Dude.
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We'll get into that later.
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I have reasons to think that's happening.
Coaching Rumors and Critiques
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What about you, Ryan?
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What's your serious medical condition?
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I'm kind of in on it at this point with him.
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But I got to say something.
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If anybody's – currently Michigan's playing Minnesota right now.
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If I see another list with P.J.
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Fleck on it, I'm going to lose my mind.
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He's an awful coach.
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Like how is this getting –
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I mean, I guess it's his agent leaking his name because there's no way MSU has any interest in him, right?
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Like, right?
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Is Minnesota even an interest in him still?
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I mean, exactly.
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But you see it on these lists, and I understand it's agents leaking names, but, like, still, dude.
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How can you be shameless enough to report that?
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Come on.
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We can talk about this later, but honestly –
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I don't think PJ, I think some of the lists we've seen so far are just unserious.
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There's names that are on there that MSU shouldn't look at until they've called maybe a dozen other guys.
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And there's some on there that MSU shouldn't even look at, period.
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So you got a case of paddleitis on your ass because you're sick of rowing the boat.
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He's run out of flex bucks.
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Oh, yeah.
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PJ Fleck making a bad name for bald dudes everywhere.
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I don't want to be associated with him anymore.
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Anyways, yeah.
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So we're going through.
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We're dealing with our serious medical conditions over here.
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But unlike a certain somebody, we're actually showing up to our obligations.
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That being said, we're just going to dive right into it.
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Zanjo.
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The soapbox is yours.
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We're competing to play, competing to stay.
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Keep chopping.
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Yeah, so there's a really weird opinion of seeing circle the internet lately.
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And this happened the last time, too.
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The job came open.
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People online do understand that no one is afraid of taking the MSU job because we're competing with Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State, right?
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We're talking about some of the most
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uber-competitive people on the planet who have won everywhere they've been in, super successful, and you think they're afraid of any level of competition?
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They've gone up against the best, and they look at MSU as a program that has gone up against the best, made the college football playoff, done things.
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Do you think they're coming here?
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And by the way, they did that when Michigan was winning 10 games and Ohio State was at its absolute peak.
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You think they're coming here?
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You think any coach anywhere is looking at any, forget just us, any coach anywhere is looking at any program going, I'm afraid because of competition.
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They are scary.
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What the fuck?
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Coaches are not bitches.
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They are uber competitive.
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They won everywhere.
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They're not afraid of any goddamn program, person, coach, team, or environment.
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They'll walk into anything, and they'll kick their asses because that's how you become a high-level coach.
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And honestly, anyone who thinks that is just projecting their own damn insecurities on a uber competitive people.
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Any coach that actually does think that way is unqualified to coach peewee.
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It's just the dumbest fucking thing.
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I don't understand how people actually believe it.
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I don't know.
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It's like, it's like QAnon bullshit, man.
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It's like, it's like fucking, it's like a little bit of like vaccine shedding.
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All right.
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So, and I'm going to make an adage to that because you brought up a great point.
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Before the expansion, who are the teams in the big 10 that have made the college football playoff?
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Michigan Ohio State, Michigan State.
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Correct.
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Ohio State hasn't.
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Penn State has not.
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Wisconsin has not.
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No one from the West has made the playoff.
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When we get the new teams, you got Washington with one appearance, Oregon with one appearance.
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Has USC made the playoff?
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USC has not made the playoff.
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The last time USC was good was when I was in middle school.
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Their peak since then has been one fucking Rose Bowl.
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That's the program I'm scared of.
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Okay.
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Tulane beat that ass.
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Tulane beat that ass.
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Yeah.
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So it's like whoever's coming here is going to lead a program that has been to the near top in recent history.
MSU Football Schedule and Challenges
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In history that you can remember in high definition.
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You're coming with a background.
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Not even like 480p.
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What?
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What?
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They're coming with a background, too, where typically they come up as a coordinator in a really good program, take a job.
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Like Mike Elko.
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I've seen people fucking say, like, Mike Elko is afraid to take this job because of Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State.
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But a man coaching at fucking Duke.
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And he's winning at Duke.
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Right.
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Do you think he's afraid of competition?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean, yeah.
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These people –
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Don't understand the program.
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Don't understand the recent history.
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Don't understand the competitiveness of these guys.
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They don't understand people.
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They're just like stuck in their mom's basement eating like fucking, I don't know, Cheetos or some shit.
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Playing Call of Duty.
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Finishing last place in the Call of Duty.
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What the fuck?
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That's the oldest that ever sounded, by the way.
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Finishing last place in the Call of Duty.
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Goddamn.
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Listen, man.
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Don't make fun of people that...
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hang out in their basement at the age of 35 and play video games.
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I am in my basement right now.
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I mean, there's nothing wrong with it.
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Nothing wrong with it.
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I enjoy playing video games the best for them.
Legal Issues and Financial Impact on MSU
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Again, that's not old as shit right now, but... Like, I don't know, man.
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There's people that... They have their own fucking mediocre lives that project it onto other people that are at the top of their craft.
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And it's... Honestly, it tells me more about them than it does about...
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their opinion.
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Something I did see though, I can't even know where I saw it, but someone called USC the anti-Iowa.
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I thought that was pretty clever.
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All offense and no defense.
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All offense and no defense, yeah.
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Well, that is Zanjo's soapbox.
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And now we're going to go into...
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current state of the program just discuss a little bit of news of what's going on so hearing the hearing was this week our the signature chopper did not attend due to a serious medical condition probably got chopitis or something sprayed wrist from all the chopping right
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Yeah, we'll go with that.
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All the traffic.
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He's banking.
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He's banking.
Speculation on Coaching Changes
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Yeah.
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His lawyer sent a letter explaining that he couldn't attend because of a serious medical condition and then dumped a bunch of texts.
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I don't even care anymore.
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Like, they can fight it out.
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Like, I... I hate both of them.
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Yeah.
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I think at this point...
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As long as the university gets out of this without paying out that much money, I think we probably will just let these two fight it out and whatever.
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This is the worst episode of 90 Day Fiance I've ever seen.
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Most of them should just run off and be together.
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Yeah.
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Dude, this shit was wild.
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The text messages were just insane.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Apparently, his well-earned got him illegally.
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She had a restraining order or something.
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It's so fucking Blackwell-y in, too, the way it's all going down.
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Except I think Mel Tucker has a little bit more to work with here.
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But I'm kind of with you guys.
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I don't really give a shit.
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It can end however it ends.
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We're off the hook, too.
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I'm not going to lie.
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It's kind of entertaining just to look at every once in a while.
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But, like,
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I don't care if MSU doesn't get screwed here, honestly.
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That's the only thing I care about.
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I mean, I think the number, there probably will be a settlement.
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I think that number is going to be between zero and whatever was left on the contract.
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And it's probably going to be on the lower end.
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Yeah.
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And then that's fine.
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I mean, like we discussed last week, we got the money.
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So whatever.
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They can duke it out.
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Yeah.
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We're going to look to next year.
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And by looking at next year, we're going to look at the conference schedule that just dropped.
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So real quick, though, I'll set the number at 20 and a half million.
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What do you think?
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Over or under that from the settlement?
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Under.
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Last week I said $10 and a Brazzers membership.
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Oh, that's valuable to him, though.
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That's like gold for him.
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Fucking one of those comedy centers.
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But I'm under.
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But anyways, let's go.
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Comedy Central at 3 a.m.
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Yeah.
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Anyways, let's talk 2024.
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So the schedule dropped and we'll have our home games next year will be Indiana, Iowa, Ohio State, Purdue, and Rutgers.
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And away games are going to be Illinois, Maryland, Michigan, and Oregon.
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And first and foremost, we're going to redo the tailgate, but we're going to do it in Eugene.
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So I'm going to drive down there.
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It'll be fun.
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On the way back, once we get our asses kicked, we'll stop in Portland and we'll go to a strip club.
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Which is exactly the same thing that I did last time MSU came out to Eugene and got blown out by Marcus Mariota.
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If we go to the Outback Bowl next year, that's a fucking strip club bonanza between Portland and Tampa.
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Does the Outback Bowl still exist?
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Yeah, it's – oh, they renamed it.
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It's – I don't know what it's called now, but it's forever the Outback Bowl to me.
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Yeah, I missed the Bloomin' Onion thing that you gave.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I remember – and we're getting – we're going on a tangent, but I remember that one year that Michigan lost in the Outback Bowl.
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Like, I immediately went to Outback and got a Bloomin' Onion.
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That was the J.E.
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– that was the Clowney game.
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Yes, it was.
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You have to tell Carolina twice in that game.
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That's fucking much champ.
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So, anyways.
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So, schedule dropped.
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What do you guys think about it?
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It sucks.
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Should be able to get some wins with the home schedule.
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I mean, no one's a really tough game.
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It was Ohio State.
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Dude, I can't wait to be charged $400 again for season tickets for that bullshit-ass schedule.
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Oh, my God.
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Indiana, Purdue, Rutgers, and a blowout against Ohio State.
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Like, there's one 50-50 game on there.
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I'd rather –
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No, but the road schedule sucks too.
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Actually, I was thinking about this.
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How many of these teams that we're playing next year will have the same coach as this year?
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Oregon.
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So Maryland will.
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Illinois will.
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Michigan, Oregon.
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So Michigan's, I'd say, 50-50.
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If I have things my way, Oregon's not.
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Indiana won't.
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Iowa, 50-50.
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No, no, Iowa.
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Indiana fans I've been reading think they won't be able to pay his buyout for this year, so they're going to be stuck with it for that year.
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If you see the amount of money the Big Ten's coming into the campaign, $20 million
Comparisons and Speculations on Urban Meyer
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buyout, just kick them out.
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That's what they think.
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Make them hire Jason Candle.
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Iowa, 50-50.
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Ohio State, probably, but that's
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probably close to 50-50 and anyone's comfortable with.
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And then Purdue and Rutgers, they will.
00:15:01
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And Boston College won't win if you want to go on non-con.
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Yeah.
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I think it's favorable for a first-year head coach.
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Yeah.
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Dan Lanning will coach in Eugene that game.
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For who?
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Who knows?
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I mean, the only games I look at in instant loss is Michigan.
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Oregon and Ohio State.
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I'm trying to put a week through.
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They could go 9-3 if shit bounces right.
00:15:33
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Why is Michigan in auto loss?
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They lose a ton of their team next year.
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Until I see how we do, I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt just because I know what they are.
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I have a rough estimate of what they are.
00:15:50
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I have no idea what the fuck we are.
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It's for us.
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It seems like Ohio State could be a fucking trainer at this point.
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Ohio State's going to... They always beat the shit out of us, though.
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Dude, I don't know.
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They used to beat the shit out of Maryland, too.
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I don't know what the fuck happened today.
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Brian made a fraud.
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I mean, they didn't really beat the shit out of Maryland.
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It was close for half, but... They still covered the spread.
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Yeah, they did.
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It was a slow start.
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I mean, there was, it was just like, yeah, no, Maryland.
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I mean, Ohio State's thing this year was the slow starts and they're still doing it.
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I don't know.
00:16:35
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Who, who was, was it you, Zendr, that I saw was just predicting Wisconsin to beat Ohio State this year?
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Yeah.
00:16:42
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No shots.
00:16:44
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Dude, I, I mean, I thought Ohio State was 8-4 this year going into the year, so I've always been kind of low on them and
00:16:49
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They beat Notre Dame, so high on them for all the week, and then start shooting the bed again.
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I mean, there is a possibility that in the coach search competition, Ohio State might join us.
00:17:02
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That'll make things interesting for our next segment, the coaching candidate tracker.
00:17:08
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And out of nowhere, because somebody in our podcast studio decided to convert to Catholicism,
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Urban Meyer has shot up to number one because Zanjo has decided to go all in on the hype.
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So Zanjo, talk about your boy.
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Okay.
00:17:31
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So let's read the tea leaves here.
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Okay.
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He's in East Lansing.
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We know this for a fact.
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He's in East Lansing.
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Fuck.
00:17:40
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I lost my train of thought.
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What the fuck?
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Okay.
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He was wearing green, apparently.
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Apparently him wearing green is a big deal.
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Forget that.
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Speaker
Forget that.
00:17:50
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It's the idea we have no search firm ready.
00:17:53
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The fact he's in East Lansing, the fact every donor seems like you're on board.
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He's clearly interested.
00:18:00
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The fact we have no search firm makes me think we were going first choice, only choice, best choice here.
00:18:07
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That's really what it is.
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It's just the fact that we're not really looking anywhere.
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He's interested in us.
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We're interviewing him.
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I mean, I guess there's an out here somewhere if another job becomes open, but I don't know.
00:18:23
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I think he's a guy.
00:18:25
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I think he's our guy.
00:18:28
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Everyone seems to keep saying that you wouldn't come to MSU and go to a ready-made program, but I mean, after Jacksonville, this is the exact kind of job that would be perfect for both sides.
00:18:44
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It's a program that can win, has won, but isn't that like top tier of job where you can get literally anyone in the country.
00:18:52
Speaker
You know, it's not like a USC you can bring Lincoln Riley in.
00:18:54
Speaker
It's more of a, you know, but we have won.
00:18:58
Speaker
You know, we can get most guys.
00:18:59
Speaker
I mean, Drew's not going to get the established candidate that has a track record of success over a long stretch of the time and has proven elite.
00:19:11
Speaker
How does your calculus change if Ryan Day gets fired?
00:19:13
Speaker
That's a tough question.
00:19:20
Speaker
I don't know.
00:19:20
Speaker
Part of me doesn't think Ohio State's going to go back down that road after the way that things ended there.
00:19:27
Speaker
But part of me, I mean, he clearly loves Ohio State still.
00:19:32
Speaker
And I think Gene Smith is retiring after this year, so maybe the next guy comes in and is more willing to do that.
00:19:38
Speaker
But
00:19:39
Speaker
But Ohio State's also one of those programs you can get literally anyone they want.
00:19:43
Speaker
And would they want a guy who has potential to be Northern Jimbo Fisher?
00:19:49
Speaker
It's been five years since he last coached a good team.
00:19:52
Speaker
It's been seven years since he last made a CFP.
00:19:55
Speaker
It's been almost his last – his last playoff was a year –
00:20:02
Speaker
Yeah, so his last CFP was a year after D'Antonio's last one.
00:20:05
Speaker
So it's been a while since he's won at the level that his last national championship was a year after Jimbo's last national championship.
00:20:14
Speaker
So would Ohio say go for a guy like that?
00:20:16
Speaker
That's really the question.
00:20:19
Speaker
I know a lot of him.
00:20:22
Speaker
Sorry, go ahead.
00:20:24
Speaker
Going back to your soapbox, this is like a competitive thing and all that stuff like
00:20:30
Speaker
This is a competitive job and we're winning.
00:20:32
Speaker
Why would, if Ohio state won't go for him, why should we go for him?
00:20:36
Speaker
Because who are we going to get that?
00:20:40
Speaker
And for the record, I'm also, I don't think he's the best guy right now, but who are we going to get?
00:20:47
Speaker
How many opportunities are we going to get to get a national title winning head coach?
00:20:53
Speaker
who last we saw at this level was a top-ten coach.
00:20:55
Speaker
So, I mean, there's two arguments here going on out of my mouth right now, but they both kind of apply.
00:21:03
Speaker
So for a program like Ohio State, you don't get the same level of risk-reward.
00:21:09
Speaker
You can get the reward with a lower-risk guy, but if you want to win a national championship, who is better than you can get right now?
00:21:17
Speaker
I mean...
00:21:19
Speaker
Ohio State won a national championship with a guy that they hired from Youngstown State.
00:21:25
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, there's definitely many ways to skin a cat.
00:21:28
Speaker
Yeah.
00:21:30
Speaker
It's probably the most on-paper sure thing to do.
00:21:33
Speaker
But then again, getting Jimbo Fisher is also the most on-paper sure thing to do too.
00:21:37
Speaker
And then that hasn't really worked out.
00:21:40
Speaker
Yeah.
00:21:41
Speaker
Yeah.
00:21:41
Speaker
I think, like, I'm just going to – for me, I'm going to go back to what I said last week.
00:21:47
Speaker
If we're going to go big, swing for the big ones and just shoot your shot with DeBoer and Lanning.
00:21:54
Speaker
Shoot your shot with those guys.
00:21:57
Speaker
Hell, even, like – I mean, this is not a serious pick, but if shoot your shot and get Lane Kiffin, I don't know.
00:22:05
Speaker
I mean, no.
00:22:05
Speaker
No, actually, no.
00:22:06
Speaker
That's a bad take.
00:22:07
Speaker
Lanning or DeBoer because of the money situation.
00:22:11
Speaker
That's kind of where I'm at, too.
00:22:12
Speaker
But I still think he's coming here.
00:22:17
Speaker
There's just way too much smoke around this right now.
00:22:20
Speaker
And it's way too problematic of a thing to just leak out there if you're not serious about it.
00:22:27
Speaker
More about you, Ryan.
00:22:28
Speaker
I'm in on him.
00:22:30
Speaker
But I don't think he's going to come here.
00:22:33
Speaker
But, I mean, I feel like you've got to try it.
00:22:36
Speaker
He's...
00:22:37
Speaker
he's going to bring players in.
00:22:39
Speaker
He has connections all over the country to bring a staff in.
00:22:42
Speaker
Like, I understand it's a short-term thing.
00:22:47
Speaker
He's going to be here like four or five years, but I, I'm tired of losing games.
00:22:52
Speaker
I know that sounds bad, but I'm so sick of losing games.
00:22:56
Speaker
I'm pretty sure he'd win here.
00:22:58
Speaker
So here's my thing.
Strategic Approach to Hiring Urban Meyer
00:23:02
Speaker
We are so good.
00:23:03
Speaker
clearly, and I don't mean me, you, us three, I mean the program is so clearly in on this guy.
00:23:12
Speaker
He's the kind of guy that when you leak the name out there, you can't really come back from.
00:23:17
Speaker
So if you're doing it, you better be damn sure after you want.
00:23:21
Speaker
And the fact that Howler's basically come out and said, hey, we're not doing a search committee.
00:23:27
Speaker
The fact Irvin's still on campus, and I understand that other coaches can't really look for jobs right now,
00:23:32
Speaker
But the fact that we're still going after and trying to get this guy, because let's be honest here, in 2020, we're not trying to get this guy.
00:23:41
Speaker
Even if we had a full coaching search, we're not looking for a Meyer.
00:23:45
Speaker
The fact we're going after him right now makes me think this is really serious from both ends.
00:23:52
Speaker
And the fact you see, everyone seems to be reporting that he's at the very least interested in entertaining the offer.
00:24:01
Speaker
regardless of what Ohio State fans want to say, which they're so protective about him.
00:24:07
Speaker
It's bizarre.
00:24:09
Speaker
But that's something else.
00:24:10
Speaker
Yeah.
00:24:12
Speaker
We'll probably talk a little bit about Urban in the other segments because there's responses to the smoke as well.
00:24:22
Speaker
So we'll just move on and quickly go through the candidate tracker.
00:24:26
Speaker
So I'm the lead Alkalite here.
00:24:31
Speaker
Mike Alco had a bye.
00:24:33
Speaker
Duke had a bye this week, so no whatever, no changes there.
00:24:38
Speaker
But Texas A&M did shit the bed, and I think that also plays into the urban argument because Texas A&M is known to make big splash dumb hires.
00:24:52
Speaker
If they don't have a coach, will they go after Alco?
00:24:57
Speaker
I also heard smoke that the boosters want –
00:25:01
Speaker
Kiffin down there?
00:25:03
Speaker
Or will they, because they have no qualms, no qualms with anything.
00:25:10
Speaker
I mean, they just had like Ted Cruz on campus right before this game.
00:25:13
Speaker
Since they have no qualms with anything, will they like drop the bag at Urban Meyer's feet?
00:25:19
Speaker
There's two and a half programs that I've noticed.
00:25:22
Speaker
So more and more and more.
00:25:24
Speaker
I don't know.
00:25:26
Speaker
I'll go get interesting if A&M continues performing like the way they did today and Jimbo Fisher is thrown out on his ass.
00:25:38
Speaker
There's two and a half programs in Norris.
00:25:39
Speaker
There's more and more.
00:25:40
Speaker
Yeah, I just don't.
00:25:45
Speaker
I mean, I know they have a lot of money, but is this buyout insane?
00:25:49
Speaker
I heard it is insane, but
00:25:53
Speaker
A&M boosters have a lot of money.
00:25:55
Speaker
Like, they got that oil money out there.
00:25:59
Speaker
It's like $65 million, I think.
00:26:01
Speaker
Yeah.
00:26:02
Speaker
So, that's Alco.
00:26:04
Speaker
That situation will get a little interesting based on how A&M does.
00:26:08
Speaker
Because, for those that don't know, he was a defensive coordinator there under Fisher.
00:26:12
Speaker
Yep.
00:26:13
Speaker
So, moving on.
00:26:14
Speaker
Ryan, talk about your boy Dickert.
00:26:19
Speaker
So, they lost today.
00:26:20
Speaker
I think it was a close game.
00:26:23
Speaker
I was on Pac-12 Network, so I did not get a chance to watch this game.
00:26:29
Speaker
Honestly, I'm not taking a lot.
00:26:31
Speaker
UCLA actually has a solid team this year.
00:26:35
Speaker
Most of us know Dante Moore.
00:26:37
Speaker
He's a pretty good player.
00:26:40
Speaker
It doesn't really change how I feel about him.
00:26:42
Speaker
I still think that he's... Well, now he's my number three guy.
00:26:47
Speaker
But I still would be happy hiring him and
00:26:52
Speaker
Seems like he'd be a guy he'd be able to get just based on, you know, the Washington State situation.
00:27:01
Speaker
Zandra, do you want to Huff paint?
00:27:04
Speaker
So I'm basically the same point I was last week
Evaluation of Other Coaching Candidates
00:27:08
Speaker
with him.
00:27:08
Speaker
Same coaching ability, same recruiting ability, highs.
00:27:16
Speaker
Yeah, I'm basically the same place I was with Huff before.
00:27:20
Speaker
Losing to NC State at Marshall doesn't really do anything to me one way or the other.
00:27:25
Speaker
It's kind of amazing that they're winning with the quarterback they have.
00:27:30
Speaker
Their quarterback is like below every three-five quarterback.
00:27:37
Speaker
And the fact that they're sticking around or winning these games is just impressive to me.
00:27:43
Speaker
Moving on to Jonathan Smith, he plays in like an hour or two, so I don't have really anything to add to that.
00:27:50
Speaker
So there's stasis.
00:27:53
Speaker
Chris Kleeman, Ryan.
00:27:55
Speaker
They lost this week, this on Friday, I guess Oklahoma State.
00:28:01
Speaker
I'm kind of more interested in him, to be honest.
00:28:05
Speaker
Like, I'm just not like super in on him.
00:28:08
Speaker
He's also 55 years old.
00:28:09
Speaker
We've got to.
00:28:10
Speaker
Isn't great.
00:28:11
Speaker
We've got to start doing something where coaches get eliminated, like some kind of segment or something like that.
00:28:16
Speaker
Yeah.
00:28:17
Speaker
Kleeman's fucking eliminated.
00:28:18
Speaker
I think he's probably.
00:28:20
Speaker
I think Kleiman is eliminated.
00:28:23
Speaker
Yeah.
00:28:25
Speaker
He lost to the fucking corpse of Mike Gundy without the OAM.
00:28:29
Speaker
Yeah.
00:28:30
Speaker
With Michigan's fourth string quarterback from last year.
00:28:33
Speaker
Like, this is, it's over, man.
00:28:34
Speaker
Oh my god.
00:28:36
Speaker
Yeah.
00:28:37
Speaker
I think he's out.
00:28:39
Speaker
Leaphold.
00:28:41
Speaker
Zanjo.
00:28:41
Speaker
Blew out UCF.
00:28:43
Speaker
Um.
00:28:43
Speaker
So Gus Malzahn officially eliminated now, too.
00:28:45
Speaker
I don't know why the fuck that name was ever... By the way, he should have never gotten brought up, and I was bitching about that earlier today.
00:28:53
Speaker
Yeah.
00:28:54
Speaker
Like, please.
00:28:55
Speaker
Good freaking God, no.
00:28:57
Speaker
I... Okay.
00:28:58
Speaker
Yeah, who the fuck brings him up?
00:28:59
Speaker
Dude, he lost at Auburn.
00:29:01
Speaker
Like, he got fired from Auburn.
00:29:03
Speaker
Like, reach higher.
00:29:04
Speaker
It was on message boards people were talking about.
00:29:06
Speaker
I'm like, you guys are fucking morons.
00:29:08
Speaker
I'll say this about Leopold.
00:29:10
Speaker
I don't...
00:29:12
Speaker
see how that hire would make sense from either side.
00:29:15
Speaker
Like he's just starting to get things going at Kansas right now, 59 years old.
00:29:19
Speaker
He'd be 61 or 62 by the time things are ready to go at MSU if he comes here.
00:29:25
Speaker
Meanwhile, he's already, you know, got things rolling a little bit Kansas too.
00:29:28
Speaker
So it's kind of, it's one of those things that Mike Stoops, their names that get thrown out there that I just don't see why either side would be interested in them in that move.
00:29:44
Speaker
I mean, with Texas and Oklahoma leaving, I think that Leapold will probably win a Big 12 title in the next year or two.
00:29:51
Speaker
And then he can just ride off in the sunset.
00:29:53
Speaker
Like, he's got, how many years do you think he's got left?
00:29:56
Speaker
Four or five high-quality years?
00:29:58
Speaker
Yeah.
00:29:59
Speaker
And if he comes to MSU, it's wasting two or three of them.
00:30:02
Speaker
By the time he gets going, retirement, it just makes no sense for either side.
00:30:09
Speaker
But, I don't know, maybe he wants to
00:30:13
Speaker
chance at a higher profile job and maybe we strike out enough.
00:30:17
Speaker
I don't know.
00:30:19
Speaker
Yeah.
00:30:20
Speaker
Wrapping it up with the other target that we had from last week, Sean Lewis.
00:30:26
Speaker
Colorado is up on Arizona State right now, 24-17.
00:30:31
Speaker
Still doing a little bit of magic with the lack of offensive line, but we'll see how this game ends.
00:30:35
Speaker
But I'm also kind of – we have good enough – we have a good solid top tier of names.
00:30:42
Speaker
I don't know if Sean Lewis is also still up there.
00:30:45
Speaker
I'm not out on him.
00:30:47
Speaker
I'm not out on him, but he's down there with Chris Creighton right now where if we get him, I guess I can see it, but that's a lot of whiffing.
00:30:58
Speaker
That's –
00:30:59
Speaker
We're talking to like Q-List tier right now.
00:31:02
Speaker
Or Q-Tier, whatever the fuck you want to call them.
00:31:05
Speaker
All right.
00:31:06
Speaker
Well, we went through it pretty quickly, so let's do the power rankings.
00:31:10
Speaker
Ryan.
00:31:11
Speaker
I've got pretty much the same list, but I've got Urban number one.
00:31:18
Speaker
I had Diggart.
00:31:20
Speaker
No, I had, sorry, Elko number two, Diggart number three, Huff number four, and the rest of the people I do not want.
00:31:27
Speaker
So...
00:31:28
Speaker
I'm cutting into four.
00:31:30
Speaker
My rankings are... Oh, wait, no.
00:31:33
Speaker
Zanj, I'll let you go.
00:31:34
Speaker
Yeah, I'm actually expanding my list.
00:31:37
Speaker
And for this reason and this reason only, the fact that Urban Meyer is interested in this job and will get this job and will be on the sideline next year, but the fact that he is interested in the job means that there are 100%
00:31:55
Speaker
it's 100% true that there are other guys that are big names that are also interested.
00:32:02
Speaker
I don't know who those names are, but I'm sure that they're out there.
00:32:06
Speaker
You don't get a guy like Urban Meyer interested without other guys also being interested.
00:32:11
Speaker
So my tier one, I have some tiers.
00:32:15
Speaker
Dan Lanning, Kalen DeBoer, Lane Kiffin,
00:32:20
Speaker
There's another name I threw out there early.
00:32:22
Speaker
Joey Freshwater coming to the Freshwater State.
00:32:25
Speaker
Zero chance.
00:32:26
Speaker
Mike Norvell.
00:32:27
Speaker
None.
00:32:27
Speaker
Mike Norvell.
00:32:29
Speaker
Five and a half million.
00:32:30
Speaker
Five and a half million of Florida State.
00:32:32
Speaker
That program is not as rich as people think it is.
00:32:35
Speaker
It's in the ACC still.
00:32:37
Speaker
I don't know if they found a way out yet or not.
00:32:38
Speaker
But, I mean, there's creative names out there that – I think we've achieved the level –
00:32:48
Speaker
of this program now with the fact that Urban Meyer is interested, that we can start playing fantasy coach and just name names and see who we can.
00:32:55
Speaker
Outside of maybe 10 to 15 names that are active at certain jobs, like I don't think Brian Kelly or Marcus Freeman are coming here, but I think we can list off names and have a greater than 0% chance of them coming here, even if it's under that 0%.
00:33:09
Speaker
But it's still greater than 0%.
00:33:12
Speaker
Marcus Freeman's losing to Louisville right now.
00:33:15
Speaker
Dude, Jeff Brown is a great coach too.
00:33:18
Speaker
I don't think he's coming here because he's at his alma mater, but my tier two would be, I don't know, like Jonathan Smith, Mike Elko.
00:33:26
Speaker
I'd be happy with them.
00:33:28
Speaker
Tier three is probably Dickert and Huff.
00:33:32
Speaker
I'd be happy with them, just slightly less happy.
00:33:34
Speaker
I know, Ed Smith.
00:33:36
Speaker
I don't think I said Smith on my list.
00:33:37
Speaker
Ed Smith backs.
00:33:38
Speaker
My bad.
00:33:39
Speaker
I would take him, too.
00:33:41
Speaker
We can adjust this in the rags area, but I don't understand why people are
00:33:48
Speaker
shitting on naming Mike Elko and Jonathan Smith right now as poverty moves.
00:33:52
Speaker
That's just, those are great coaches from what they've seen so far.
00:33:58
Speaker
On the topic of, yeah, I guess like the urban being interested in urban getting smoke, meaning that there's potential opportunities for smoke elsewhere.
00:34:08
Speaker
Should we start tracking Kalen DeBoer and Dan Lanning?
00:34:14
Speaker
I think one's more likely than the other.
00:34:17
Speaker
Let's put it that way.
00:34:18
Speaker
Okay.
00:34:20
Speaker
But I think we should.
00:34:22
Speaker
Based on pre-show conversation, is there another name that we should talk or discuss?
00:34:28
Speaker
I'm not saying Chip Kelly.
00:34:31
Speaker
I'm not talking about Chip Kelly.
00:34:34
Speaker
We can talk about Chip Kelly in the rag segment, but yeah.
00:34:39
Speaker
We'll save that for later.
00:34:40
Speaker
We'll save this other discussion for later.
00:34:41
Speaker
We might bring up more names.
00:34:44
Speaker
Yeah.
00:34:44
Speaker
I don't know.
00:34:46
Speaker
Ryan saw this too.
00:34:48
Speaker
Yeah, I'd be interested.
00:34:50
Speaker
Luke Fickle apparently is making phone calls.
00:34:52
Speaker
Oh, I did see that.
00:34:53
Speaker
Yeah.
00:34:55
Speaker
Shout out to JerBear for reporting that.
00:34:59
Speaker
I don't think that's happening, but hey, who knows?
00:35:02
Speaker
I mean, Sal's not around anymore.
00:35:04
Speaker
No Waffling Flake comments.
00:35:07
Speaker
I guess for me, I am...
00:35:11
Speaker
taking my stand and i'm gonna stick to my guns on i don't think urban meyer should be our top choice i've stated my reasons before i do agree with you that urban meyer being looking at this job and being pushed around as a name means that other people are going to look at it and it might affect my power rankings
00:35:36
Speaker
for next week if we see more smoke.
00:35:38
Speaker
But for right now, my rankings are unchanged from last week.
00:35:43
Speaker
Alco, Dicker, Hoff, Smith.
00:35:47
Speaker
I think all their names kind of fell off.
00:35:50
Speaker
I'm less interested in them.
00:35:52
Speaker
So if I'm going to concentrate my time watching games from here on out, it'll be their games.
00:36:01
Speaker
And I will be watching Oregon, Washington next week.
00:36:04
Speaker
I may even go to the game.
00:36:05
Speaker
That's going to be an awesome game.
00:36:08
Speaker
Yeah, we'll see.
00:36:09
Speaker
We'll see if my buddy Mavs will get tickets or not.
00:36:13
Speaker
Maybe he'll bring up his dad.
00:36:16
Speaker
Speaking of which, his dad thinks Jonathan Smith would be a great fit for Michigan State.
00:36:23
Speaker
I would agree.
00:36:23
Speaker
Yeah, I would be okay with that.
00:36:28
Speaker
But I don't think he's leaving Oregon State.
00:36:30
Speaker
I don't either.
00:36:32
Speaker
I think he would.
00:36:33
Speaker
I think he would just because Oregon State's going to the Mountain West.
00:36:38
Speaker
We'll see if they get invited to the Big 12.
00:36:40
Speaker
Yeah, that changes the math a little bit.
00:36:44
Speaker
I think right now, when we've seen, I think he'd be open.
00:36:49
Speaker
But he also makes a 5.5 mil, I think.
00:36:50
Speaker
It's not poverty money.
00:36:52
Speaker
It's pretty nice.
00:36:53
Speaker
Yeah.
00:36:56
Speaker
Alright.
00:36:57
Speaker
Well, that was the coaching candidate tracker.
00:36:59
Speaker
Now we're going to move on.
00:37:00
Speaker
Let's talk about
00:37:02
Speaker
A name that's been brought up by people in the media, Chip Kelly.
00:37:08
Speaker
Initially brought up by Mike Villeney at 97.1.
00:37:12
Speaker
I think a couple of us have engaged in anti-Chip Kelly discourse.
00:37:19
Speaker
Dude, not a fan.
00:37:21
Speaker
You guys ever play that game with a bunch of your guy friends where you just name a guy, like a name an athlete?
00:37:29
Speaker
Yeah, that's basically what happened here.
00:37:33
Speaker
Mike just named a guy who was good at one point in time and threw it out there.
00:37:40
Speaker
And I get the angle he's coming from where if you get Chip Kelly, you have like a 5% chance of getting Dante Moore back.
00:37:47
Speaker
But that's a terrible reason to hire him.
00:37:50
Speaker
No.
00:37:51
Speaker
I don't want him, but he would bring Dante Moore with him.
00:37:55
Speaker
That's how you end up with Mel Tucker and getting $9.5 million a year after getting Kenneth Walker.
00:38:02
Speaker
I don't disagree with that, but he would probably come here.
00:38:09
Speaker
My question, I guess, would be why are we shooting for Chip Kelly when we can shoot for the guy who Dante Moore was committed to for a year before then?
00:38:22
Speaker
He's not – are you talking about – Dan Lanning.
00:38:25
Speaker
Dillingham?
00:38:27
Speaker
Okay.
00:38:30
Speaker
Like, he's been at Oregon for a year.
00:38:32
Speaker
Dan Lanning's won big.
00:38:33
Speaker
He's winning big again this year.
00:38:35
Speaker
Why are we shooting for Chip Kelly going 8-4 at UCLA when he can get, like, a 10-win, 11-win coach with national title pedigree who has brought in top 10 classes?
00:38:48
Speaker
The Chip Kelly name just got thrown.
00:38:50
Speaker
It just feels like a guy playing fantasy coaching, just naming a guy because he was good at one point.
00:38:55
Speaker
It's like if I went up there and just named, I don't know, fucking Todd Bowles or some shit.
00:39:01
Speaker
How is that different from Urban Meyer?
00:39:03
Speaker
Well, I guess, okay, I can answer my own question.
00:39:06
Speaker
The thing is, is like the difference between him and Urban Meyer is Chip Kelly came back to college.
00:39:13
Speaker
and has, I would say, been mediocre and not been like what he was when he was at Oregon.
00:39:19
Speaker
And we've had this – Urban Meyer has – We've had this conversation online, but a lot of the advantages that made Chip Kelly really good at Oregon are gone or wouldn't be available here.
Oregon and UCLA Coaching Analysis
00:39:33
Speaker
His offense, people have caught up to it.
00:39:36
Speaker
The sports science stuff that he was doing at Oregon, the really cutting-edge stuff, people have caught up to it.
00:39:42
Speaker
He doesn't have Phil Knight's backing.
00:39:44
Speaker
And I don't know how much of Oregon's success comes from the coach there versus the actual program.
00:39:49
Speaker
It seems like every time a guy leaves, they win the divorce.
00:39:53
Speaker
Mario Cristobal is really the only chance they have.
00:39:56
Speaker
But, like, Taggart left.
00:39:58
Speaker
He bombed.
00:39:59
Speaker
Oregon got a new guy who was better.
00:40:03
Speaker
Chip left.
00:40:03
Speaker
He was fine.
00:40:04
Speaker
Oregon got a guy who immediately took them to the national title game.
00:40:08
Speaker
Like, it just feels like, even go way back, the guy at Kentucky, Rich Brooks, I think was his name, left for Kentucky, bombed, and Oregon got Belotti, who I think is in the cost of the Hall of Fame now.
00:40:21
Speaker
Like, every time, it just seems like the upgrade.
00:40:24
Speaker
So then I would counter to you.
00:40:26
Speaker
Maybe we can talk about this if we bring up Dan Lanning next week.
00:40:30
Speaker
Actually, I'll save this for next week if we bring up Dan Lanning to the candidate tracker.
00:40:33
Speaker
Yeah, that makes sense.
00:40:34
Speaker
I mean, I agree with you.
00:40:36
Speaker
I mean, there was somebody on Twitter that's like, oh, yeah, he's brought up – Chip has brought up UCLA to –
00:40:45
Speaker
building them back up into a better program.
00:40:47
Speaker
I'm like, I looked at the record of UCLA the past 10 years, and it seems like he's brought them kind of to the level where they were 10 years ago under Jim Mora.
00:40:58
Speaker
Jim Mora.
00:40:59
Speaker
But Jim Mora went to the Pac-12 championship.
00:41:01
Speaker
Really, they've kind of been the same level of program, I feel like.
00:41:05
Speaker
So they've always been a program that could bring top 25 talent and just compete for the fringe bottom half of the top 25.
00:41:12
Speaker
They were with that with Jim Mora.
00:41:13
Speaker
I think there's one year where Jim Morrow is better than that.
00:41:16
Speaker
But that's basically what they've been for the last 15 years.
00:41:19
Speaker
Chip Kelly hasn't elevated them.
00:41:22
Speaker
He's that NFL quarterback, too.
00:41:23
Speaker
I think the last guy they had is actually on the Packers, I think.
00:41:27
Speaker
I'm not sure where, but I'm not sure where he's at, but he's in the NFL.
00:41:31
Speaker
And the thing is – yeah, Love.
00:41:35
Speaker
No, Thompson Robinson.
00:41:38
Speaker
Jordan Love.
00:41:38
Speaker
I thought Jordan Love was from – No, Jordan Love is –
00:41:42
Speaker
He played against us in 18.
00:41:43
Speaker
Yeah, he torched us.
00:41:46
Speaker
Oh, yeah, that's right.
00:41:47
Speaker
No, Thompson Robinson.
00:41:48
Speaker
Sorry.
00:41:49
Speaker
The guy before him, I think that's before Morrow.
00:41:51
Speaker
I think that's when Morrow was there, Brett Hundley.
00:41:53
Speaker
Josh Rosen.
00:41:54
Speaker
Oh, yeah, Josh Rosen was in there too.
00:41:57
Speaker
But they basically had a long stretch of NFL quarterbacks, and they've been no better than they are right now.
00:42:05
Speaker
And I did watch the game.
00:42:08
Speaker
I did watch the game today, Wazoo versus UCLA, and it was UCLA's defense that won that game.
00:42:14
Speaker
Yeah.
00:42:16
Speaker
So, yeah.
00:42:19
Speaker
I agree.
00:42:19
Speaker
Dante Moore is probably special, but you don't hire a coach just so you can get one guy.
00:42:23
Speaker
This isn't college basketball where one guy makes or breaks a roster.
00:42:29
Speaker
Because Dante Moore is going to leave in two years.
00:42:32
Speaker
You're stuck with Chip for years after that.
Critiques and Hot Takes
00:42:37
Speaker
That's just – I don't know.
00:42:39
Speaker
It's just not the same.
00:42:40
Speaker
All right.
00:42:42
Speaker
Let's move on then.
00:42:43
Speaker
Let's put a pin in that and move on.
00:42:45
Speaker
How about Pat Caputo?
00:42:48
Speaker
Zanjo, I know you love this guy.
00:42:50
Speaker
Okay, so he unleashed one of the absolute wildest takes today about how MSU fans shouldn't want Meyer because MSU is a dead-end job.
00:43:01
Speaker
Now, let's just ignore the fact that the last guy we had who –
00:43:06
Speaker
I'm pretty sure everyone out there thinks is the biggest bum on the planet had a team that was good enough to make a 12 team college football playoff.
00:43:15
Speaker
The guy before that had three teams good enough to make the college, four teams good enough to make college football playoffs.
00:43:23
Speaker
So we're talking about five teams in the last, what, 15 or so years that are good enough to make a 12 team college football playoff, two which were good enough to make a four teamer.
00:43:33
Speaker
And,
00:43:33
Speaker
We have Detroit media guys going, it's a crap here, dead-end job, which – how are these takes formulated?
00:43:44
Speaker
Like, is this man – dude, is this man the professor that just got arrested for running a meth lab at MSU?
00:43:51
Speaker
Is that who Pat Caputo is?
00:43:56
Speaker
It's just like – let's go back to what we said last week.
00:43:59
Speaker
It's the radio guys that, like, talk on the weekend, right?
00:44:05
Speaker
No one's listening, so they got to make, like, these brazen takes in order to get people to tune in and call in and be like, you're an idiot.
00:44:12
Speaker
But no one does that anymore in 2023.
00:44:14
Speaker
They listen to stupid podcasts like this one.
00:44:17
Speaker
For the record, I wasn't listening either.
00:44:18
Speaker
I just went to RCMB and saw this take.
00:44:23
Speaker
Huge.
00:44:24
Speaker
That idiot in Grand Rapids is a prime example of that.
00:44:27
Speaker
Like, he just says, well,
00:44:28
Speaker
like outlandish shit just to get people to engage with him.
00:44:31
Speaker
It's like he doesn't believe.
00:44:33
Speaker
There's no way he's dumb enough to believe that stuff that he's saying.
00:44:36
Speaker
I love huge in the same way I love eight foot tall Fisher Price hoops.
00:44:40
Speaker
It's just fun to feel like – it's just fun to know.
Debate on Coaching Choices and Performance
00:44:47
Speaker
Yeah, and so moving on, Joe Repstrode.
00:44:52
Speaker
I think he's a great writer.
00:44:53
Speaker
I do too.
00:44:55
Speaker
Yeah, I think he's a great writer, but he had a weird take.
00:44:58
Speaker
He had a weird suggestion.
00:44:59
Speaker
He brought up Narduzzi in his piece.
00:45:03
Speaker
I don't know where that came from.
00:45:04
Speaker
I don't have an athletic subscription.
00:45:07
Speaker
If one of you guys want to elaborate on that.
00:45:09
Speaker
I think the – Go ahead.
00:45:11
Speaker
I don't have – Go ahead.
00:45:12
Speaker
I think the gist of it was basically that he thinks MSC Shire's safe and throughout Narduzzi's a possible guy.
00:45:18
Speaker
And the idea behind it was that D'Antonio worked out and D'Antonio was basically a no one until he got to MSU.
00:45:24
Speaker
We don't need to sacrifice morals to get Urban Meyer, which that last part I don't necessarily disagree with.
00:45:33
Speaker
I've seen a lot of people suggest, and it's, it's, Valenny said the same thing too.
00:45:37
Speaker
And it seems to be a take that's circulating around a fan base where it's either Urban Meyer and you give up all morals and you just stop
00:45:48
Speaker
you know, pretending to care about any of that shit, or you're stuck with a five and seven choir boy, which I don't understand.
00:45:55
Speaker
Again, I don't understand how this take is formulated.
00:45:58
Speaker
I don't understand what the people, I don't understand how the school system failed these people so badly.
00:46:03
Speaker
I don't understand how these people's parents failed them so badly because it's just basically saying zero or 100.
00:46:10
Speaker
And I, we, the three of us combined just named I think eight or nine guys
00:46:16
Speaker
who you wouldn't be giving up all your morals for, who also could win at the level we think this program should win at.
00:46:24
Speaker
In that they should compete for the 12th team playoff and compete for national titles.
00:46:31
Speaker
Yeah, Ryan, you have an athletic subscription, right?
00:46:33
Speaker
I didn't read the whole story.
00:46:35
Speaker
I got to just do it.
00:46:37
Speaker
He actually tweeted back at me.
00:46:40
Speaker
I told him I understood his urban point, but
00:46:46
Speaker
was like, well, he could be successful.
00:46:55
Speaker
So he actually replied to me on Twitter.
00:47:02
Speaker
I understood the point he was trying to make about Urban, but I did not.
00:47:07
Speaker
I was talking about Pat Arduzzi.
00:47:10
Speaker
He told me, well, he, well,
00:47:13
Speaker
Narduzzi was successful here before, and Pitt's a tough job.
00:47:17
Speaker
And I encountered with him, and I told him, well, he has only five less losses in his eight-year tenure, and I didn't count this year, which obviously has been horrible for him, than the last eight years before he got there.
00:47:34
Speaker
It was like 51 losses to 56 losses.
00:47:43
Speaker
The fan base could not get behind Narduzzi if he was the coach.
00:47:48
Speaker
I'm sorry.
00:47:50
Speaker
I would have zero excitement whatsoever if he's the next guy.
00:47:54
Speaker
There's probably 20 names I could name before I would pick Pat Narduzzi as the next guy.
00:47:59
Speaker
Are we sure that Pat Narduzzi isn't just ACC Tom Allen?
00:48:03
Speaker
Colorado just took the lead.
00:48:05
Speaker
Louisville just won.
00:48:06
Speaker
Louisville scored a touchdown a minute ago.
00:48:10
Speaker
Yeah, Colorado won.
00:48:10
Speaker
Louisville scored a touchdown.
00:48:12
Speaker
Oh, wait, they won.
00:48:13
Speaker
Oh, I'm watching Twitter.
00:48:14
Speaker
Sorry.
00:48:15
Speaker
I saw the highlight on Twitter.
00:48:16
Speaker
But are we sure that Pat Narduzzi doesn't see Tom Allen?
00:48:19
Speaker
Like, he had one good quarterback, fired the offensive coordinator because the offense was too good.
00:48:24
Speaker
This happened.
00:48:26
Speaker
And then – and now he's running this kind of weird shanty offense in that it's absolute poverty and I hate everything about it.
00:48:35
Speaker
They're one and four.
00:48:37
Speaker
And –
00:48:38
Speaker
Rexford says it's a tough job.
00:48:40
Speaker
I'm thinking right now, is it really?
00:48:42
Speaker
It's probably a top five or six job in the ACC.
00:48:46
Speaker
Miami, Florida State, and then what, Virginia Tech?
00:48:52
Speaker
North Carolina is better.
00:48:54
Speaker
NC State's better.
00:48:55
Speaker
I wouldn't say NC State's better.
00:48:56
Speaker
You could argue Louisville's a better job.
00:48:59
Speaker
You could argue it, but... It is a tough job.
00:49:01
Speaker
It's not an easy job.
00:49:03
Speaker
We're still firmly top half, though.
00:49:05
Speaker
I mean, maybe, yeah.
00:49:06
Speaker
And
00:49:07
Speaker
With Stanford and Cal coming in, it's still top half, but like more in the top half.
00:49:13
Speaker
I mean, I don't know.
00:49:14
Speaker
I feel like they celebrate 7-5 right now with them.
00:49:20
Speaker
And he's about to get – I'm not so sure he's not about to get fired.
00:49:25
Speaker
It's just such a weird suggestion to get thrown out there.
00:49:29
Speaker
It seems like their fans are pretty fed up with him.
00:49:32
Speaker
And it's just a weird name.
Historical Comparisons and Reflections
00:49:36
Speaker
It's very 2014 MSU beat writer type of a name to be thrown out there.
00:49:42
Speaker
It's like the last time he followed his team, Narduzzi was good.
00:49:47
Speaker
Therefore, Narduzzi, the name, is going to launch out there.
00:49:50
Speaker
Yeah, and I think – but the other thing is, like, I think –
00:49:56
Speaker
where they're going, where the comparison with D'Antonio doesn't really quite apply.
00:50:03
Speaker
Because D'Antonio was a no-namer, right?
00:50:06
Speaker
Well, he was kind of a no-namer, but he was four years removed from being the defensive coordinator at Ohio State when they won a national championship.
00:50:14
Speaker
And he had Cincinnati trending up.
00:50:16
Speaker
Like, Cincinnati was a trash program before he got there.
00:50:19
Speaker
And he had them trending up.
00:50:21
Speaker
They had just joined the Big East, blah, blah, blah.
00:50:24
Speaker
Whereas like Narduzzi's trending down.
00:50:26
Speaker
And getting that, getting to a power conference and you can look at how West Virginia did when they got to the Big 12 or how Utah did when they got to the Pac-12.
00:50:35
Speaker
It's hard to do that.
00:50:37
Speaker
It's hard to do what D'Antonio did to, to jump conferences into a higher tier and maintain the same caliber of play.
00:50:47
Speaker
He basically recruited a lot of those guys that made that Sugar Bowl in 2009 with Brian Kelly.
00:50:54
Speaker
That's his foundation that basically helped him get there.
00:50:59
Speaker
The job he did at Cincinnati is honestly underrated.
00:51:01
Speaker
Yeah.
00:51:04
Speaker
Yeah.
00:51:06
Speaker
By the way, shout out to Rico Beard.
00:51:10
Speaker
His guy, Marcus Freeman, is on 11 at Louisville right now.
00:51:13
Speaker
Yeah, yeah.
00:51:15
Speaker
He is definitely not on the list.
00:51:17
Speaker
Do you think Marcus Freeman can count?
00:51:18
Speaker
Jesus.
00:51:21
Speaker
Ryan Day is talking about how tough that is right now.
00:51:26
Speaker
Yeah.
00:51:30
Speaker
At least he got, like, Ryan, at least he got tweeted at or replied to by, like, a good journalist or a good sports personality.
00:51:39
Speaker
I got retweeted by Dan Dockage.
00:51:41
Speaker
He doesn't have you blocked?
00:51:45
Speaker
No, so he retweeted me.
00:51:47
Speaker
I replied to him, then he retweeted it, and then I'm like, yeah, I can't read, I can't write, I can't do math either, but my friends do a podcast that's all about the bread, and then he just deleted his retweet.
00:52:01
Speaker
He said something about, like, he went to Michigan State, that's why he can't read.
00:52:05
Speaker
I'm like, dude, I don't understand anything you said in your tweet.
00:52:07
Speaker
I have never seen a man commit to looking like Humpty Dumpty like he does.
00:52:13
Speaker
Dude, he
00:52:14
Speaker
The fact that he's a grifter at OutKick is just so funny.
00:52:19
Speaker
That's a fun fact.
00:52:21
Speaker
That is the only media outlet that will touch him with a
Final Thoughts and Conclusion
00:52:25
Speaker
10-foot ball.
00:52:25
Speaker
This is kind of a loose tie into Rex Road.
00:52:27
Speaker
So Rex Road does media out here in Nashville.
00:52:32
Speaker
I'm in Nashville right now.
00:52:34
Speaker
OutKick is a legit outlet out here.
00:52:39
Speaker
Same station that... Yeah, because it's a right wing out.
00:52:42
Speaker
No, same sports station that Rexro works for.
00:52:44
Speaker
They'll have outkick guys on for special contributions and stuff like that.
00:52:51
Speaker
Like segments.
00:52:53
Speaker
I don't know if Rexro is still doing radio stuff anymore.
00:52:57
Speaker
He does a morning show out here.
00:52:59
Speaker
I don't know if he does any of the outkick stuff, but there's guys on that station that bring outkick guys on the air and
00:53:08
Speaker
like they're a little bit more serious than I'm comfortable with.
00:53:12
Speaker
All right.
00:53:12
Speaker
What do you say, boys?
00:53:13
Speaker
We wrap it up there for today.
00:53:15
Speaker
All right.
00:53:16
Speaker
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00:53:20
Speaker
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00:53:20
Speaker
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00:53:33
Speaker
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00:53:34
Speaker
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