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EMERGENCY POD: OUR LONG NIGHTMARE IS OVER, LONG LIVE CJS
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JONATHAN SMITH HAS BEEN NAMED THE 26TH HEAD COACH OF MICHIGAN STATE FOOTBALL. PREPARE YOUR MILKERS!
The boys come together to give their instant reacts to what we think is awesome news.
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Introduction and Major Announcement
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Speaker
All right, everybody.
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Speaker
Welcome to probably one of the last episodes of The Search.
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Speaker
This is a fucking emergency pod.
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Speaker
We are on cloud nine.
Jonathan Smith's Hiring: Reactions and Analysis
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For those of you dumbasses that are still living under a rock, we hired the biggest tit milker of them all.
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Jonathan Smith of Oregon State will become the 26th head coach of Michigan State University football.
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How are we feeling today, boys?
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I'm not as miserable as I would be.
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I mean, I'm actually pretty happy.
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I was going to say I'm miserable because Michigan won, but, hey, I honestly don't care.
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We got the single best coach that coaches at an OSU in 2023.
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The other ones are fucking bums.
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So here's the thing.
Rival Coaches and Hiring Process Insights
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We got our coach, and Ohio State and Michigan, they don't have theirs next year because Ryan J, Egon,
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He should go to A&M and get ass whooped by Texas for the next six years.
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Yeah, well, he'll go to A&M and go 8-4 and get paid.
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I mean, that's what he wants.
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I hate Jim Harbaugh, but Jim Harbaugh was dead right about Ryan Day being born on third base.
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Someone actually made a graphic.
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So someone on Twitter actually made a graphic the other day about who was born on third base and like where each coach was born based on like when they took over their head coaching job based on recruiting talent and previous wins.
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Ryan Day was born on third base.
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And Jonathan Smith was actually born in the on deck circle or whatever the last one was on that list.
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Yeah.
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I cannot fucking hype him up enough, man.
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Ten wins at Oregon State, turning that whole thing around.
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And the only reason we got him is because they're going down.
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He would have stayed.
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He would have built something really special there.
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We got really lucky.
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We should be really happy about this hire.
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This is an insane hire.
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Like they – like everything about the process I think was like kind of perfect because like it was really close to the chest.
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It wasn't a leaky ship.
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They zeroed in on the guy that they wanted and they got him.
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And the board of trustees just stayed out of the way.
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They're like, all right, rubber stamp.
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Here you go.
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And
Fan Expectations and Support for Smith
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more importantly, they didn't let random weirdos go on Twitter spaces and blackmail coaches.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I think some people need to have some people in the fan base, if they're still part of the fan base, need to have a come to Jesus moment about like their relationship with reality, things like that.
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You're so lucky you don't want to edit because holy shit, I had a joke primed there.
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Yeah, I mean, this is, we're trying to do real podcasting here.
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Yeah, I ranted about them in the last episode.
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I don't really need to dwell on them a little bit more.
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We're in a celebratory mood, but if you're not on the fucking bus, if you're not on the fucking bus, get out of the fucking way, basically.
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Well, that one's on a short bus, so.
Smith's Coaching Style and Challenges Ahead
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We're all milking ourselves here.
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We got our big man milkers.
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It's a fucking fit.
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You're telling me he's not a fit at an ag school with that fucking gif going around everywhere?
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Not only that, but also the whole scheme he runs is power running.
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He's perfect for the Big Ten.
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It's modern power running too, like pre-snap motion, all that shit as well.
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I didn't catch the Civil War last night.
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I was too busy outrushing the MSU offense.
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It was right in the first half and in the second half.
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It just – yeah.
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Yeah, it was – I mean, you could tell they were distracted.
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They knew what was going on.
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That's tough.
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Yeah.
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I don't really know if there's a good way to handle that situation as a coach.
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Because there's like a
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There were people talking.
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I was reading some OSU posts on Reddit and OSU posts on their thing.
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It's like, I respect a man that says something and will not beat around the bush.
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I'm like, all right.
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So when Mel Tucker or anybody says, I'm staying at the fucking program, and then two days later takes the job, that's apparently shit, right?
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So what if Jonathan Smith said, I'm staying with the fucking program, and then two days later...
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today's center takes the job.
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There is no difference.
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No, there isn't.
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For the record, there's really nothing you can say because really what they're mad at is the fact he left.
Smith's Departure from Oregon State
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It's not how he left.
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That's Cope.
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It's the fact he left.
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And I get it because they really got screwed with the
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Came in saying it was his dream job.
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And from everything we've seen, it really was his dream job.
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He was there for six years.
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Yeah.
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Right?
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No.
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And then he could have been poached last year, but he didn't.
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He was poached this year because their future was uncertain.
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Yeah, that's really what it is.
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He wouldn't have left.
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There's zero chance he leaves.
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No, he would have been there, D'Antoni.
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Like I said yesterday, I
Serious vs. Unserious Football Programs
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actually feel bad for the state fans, and I don't think anybody should give them shit because I'd be pissed off too.
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I'd probably be doing the same shit they're doing right now.
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Yeah, and it's kind of fucked because, like, I really can't feel bad.
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I mean, I really do feel bad for them because they were really dealt a shithand.
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But also, like, damn, man, like, you don't fucking take it on us.
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Go cope somewhere else.
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Yeah.
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I mean, there's, like... Your program can be bought for a single unit of NF Tuck.
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So, like...
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I mean, I'm not going to spend so much time denigrating them.
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I'm seeing takes from like, oh, they couldn't get Olko and all that stuff.
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I mean, we could actually talk a little bit about the process and all that stuff.
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Especially since I brought up the, oh, they couldn't get Olko take, so they went and got Jonathan Smith.
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So I think one thing people need to realize is that when we rank
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best jobs in college football, they are universal and not individual specific.
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So the MSU job is objectively better than the Duke job.
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Elko didn't leave because this kid's a senior in high school and he wants to stay in Durham for another year.
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Smith left because Oregon State's going down.
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These things do happen.
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If UCLA had come open,
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Is MSU a better job for every other coach?
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Probably.
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They might have gotten Smith instead because Smith's from Pasadena.
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We've talked about this.
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Thank God.
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Thank God they did not fire Chip Kelly.
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Thank God they did not fire Chip Kelly.
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Oh, my God.
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What are they doing, by the way?
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What exactly is
Hiring Process and Candidate Considerations
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UCLA doing?
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They should have absolutely fired Chip Kelly.
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They're just not being serious.
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It's kind of what it is, isn't it?
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There's a level of program that's serious and there's a level that's not.
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When people get salty at serious programs for stealing unserious programs coaches, what can we do here?
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It's not Oregon State's fault, but they were trying to win while being unserious.
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If you read a little bit of the history, Oregon State supported Larry Scott when he was president of 2012.
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So there's, there's some history there that like they kind of were a little, the administration, OSU's administration was a little bit responsible for what happened to the PAC 12 by supporting Larry Scott.
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So yeah.
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Like, yeah, just not having a good plan for the future talking about like a mountain West Alliance, like,
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I mean, he gave them the whole week basically to be like – because if what we're hearing is true, that MSU basically knew from last weekend that Jonathan Smith is a guy.
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Oregon State gave them the whole week, and he gave them the whole week to convince them to stay, which is a lot of time in a coaching search.
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And they just couldn't
Smith's Recruiting Strategy and Career Moves
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do it.
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They're like, look at our schedule next year, which probably it was shit.
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I mean, they probably had some.
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They have three games scheduled right now.
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Literally three.
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Hold on.
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I'm trying to find the right now step, the post by that poster right now.
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They're talking about the one that – Basically outlined the whole process so far.
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Said, number one, Urban was never a candidate.
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He was seriously considered for the job.
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So much of the Urban conditions –
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So much of the urban information was plain rumor, which I believe he came on, he came on campus.
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We got, we threw the bag at him.
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He didn't want it, whatever.
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Elko didn't want to leave Duke.
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He and his family were happy in Durham.
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The university is committing to the funds, the program.
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He'll get paying well.
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Talked about that.
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Smith will bring some assistance and there's a plan for others to be approached from other schools.
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The names I saw specifically with the tight ends coach, the defensive coordinator, Bray and the offensive line coach.
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which I think we all collectively agreed were guys we absolutely needed to land.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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He will aggressively recruit the portal this year first.
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High school recruiting will follow.
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Makes sense.
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Has the ability to develop quarterback talent.
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Anyone who disagrees can go fucking argue a wall.
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Any successful team, including past MSC winners, have been led by strong quarterback leadership.
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Expect Levitt to prosper under him for the next four years.
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Yeah.
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Or child Smith is a demeanor to deal with challenges.
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MSU has over the next few years.
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He's a transparent guy.
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You will not hear.
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I have to review the film.
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Good.
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I'm so glad.
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Thank God.
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Yeah.
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Such a relief that I'm not going to have to do that again.
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And that's the thing.
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That's the thing.
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He was transparent in the process, right?
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Even when he was getting hired, he's like talking about if my agent is looking, isn't looking at these jobs, what am I paying him for?
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Like,
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I don't get why Oregon State fans are so angry.
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I mean, he was honest with them the whole time.
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What do you want him to do?
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Speaker
Say you're going to stay?
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Because he left.
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Speaker
They're angry because he left.
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Speaker
That's really what it is.
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I don't understand what he's supposed to do.
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No, literally.
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So you look at a human being, right?
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They see a job with more money and more upwards mobility.
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They're going to leave.
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It wasn't even a money thing.
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It was a... Upwards mobility, though....and competitiveness issue.
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It wasn't a money issue at all.
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If you, me, if any of us three were in that same position that in our current jobs as...
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he was and is where basically you're sacrificing money and the ability to do your job at the level you want to do your job you would absolutely make the same decision I saw the writing on my wall on my previous company like things were not things weren't looking great in terms of morale and all that stuff so I made the decision to go out and find another job despite me loving working there it's like I'm doing the same thing in my current company like
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It's like – and here's the thing.
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Like if he goes and all these people are going to say, oh, he's going to stay there at MSU for three years until another job opens up.
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I'm like – Where's he going?
Comparisons with Past Coaches and Fan Reactions
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Honestly, it means he did great here for three years.
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Where's he going?
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West Coast?
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USC?
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That also doesn't mean an iota of shit after LSU poached Brian Kelly.
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I'm not going to lie.
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Yeah.
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Or USC getting Luger Riley.
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Yeah, Lick of the Frog.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it's like, you know what?
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Cool.
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Like, all right, so he gets hired by somebody else.
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Awesome.
00:12:23
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That means our programming is in a good state because then he took a team that was like four and eight and got it to a point where in three years he was the hottest name in coaching again.
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Right?
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But also, nothing he's done to this point suggests – and it's a little different because everything that's done is Oregon State related.
00:12:40
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But, like, he seems like the kind of guy who only wants to leave when he sees an opportunity that is materially better.
00:12:49
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He's not one of those job hoppers, I guess, is my thing.
00:12:51
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He seems to be loyal to his program right up until he sees the destination.
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He's not like Jed Fish.
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Speaker
He's not like Jed Fish.
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Speaker
He's not like Mel Tucker even.
00:13:00
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He seems to – because he was off to coordinator of Washington right up until he got hired by Oregon State, and he was going to stay at Oregon State forever.
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Yep.
00:13:10
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Oh, actually, speaking of Jed Fish talk, the podcast that Brian Lewerke runs, they're all about the Jonathan Smith hire.
00:13:20
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Yeah, not so much about Jed Fish, though.
00:13:22
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Yeah, it sounded like he was not a Jed Fish fan.
00:13:26
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Yeah, I think it sounds like they're – I think the feedback that I've heard from current players and maybe some previous players is that they like this.
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I mean, it seemed like all the players currently on the team are pretty excited about it, so –
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This is the kind of higher – so you can't get Urban Meyer, right?
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This is the kind of higher that galvanizes it.
00:13:51
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You landed a top 15 to 20 coach in the country.
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Let's look at it objectively.
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Yep.
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And you'd probably be top 10 if he had more resources and we saw what he could do more.
00:14:04
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Like, we got a guy who could
Recruiting Potential and Program Building
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legitimately build this thing back up two years from now.
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The only downside, and I think you guys will kind of agree with me to this to an extent, is that he doesn't have any Midwest ties.
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But it sounds like he's going to keep at least Courtney Hawkins on the staff.
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I think Barnett's going to stick around, too, which I'm actually okay with.
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Which is fine.
00:14:24
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I'm surprised you didn't fit for that.
00:14:27
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No, see, I don't think he's a very good coach, but I think he's fine as an ambassador for the program.
00:14:34
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Yeah, I think, like, from what I've been reading, especially on the 24-7 board, is that, like, during the interview, like, that was brought up and he presented a plan for it.
00:14:46
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Like, what he would do to make up for that.
00:14:48
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So, yeah.
00:14:49
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It's absolutely something that if Alan Haller was any good at his job, he would ask.
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And it's also something, and I think we had this conversation.
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Everything he's done at this point, except for the Penn State game, like,
00:15:02
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He seems to have done a pretty good job.
00:15:05
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So my other thing about the Midwest recruiting thing, we kind of hashed that last pod, but I don't think it's as big of a deal because I think any success back for MSU, any path back for MSU to be a high-level success is going to involve recruiting either the South or the Midwest – or sorry, South or the West really hard.
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I think we have a better shot getting four-star talent without USC and UCLA offers out of California than we do getting four stars without Ohio State talent out of the Midwest.
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Sorry to interrupt on the Harlan Barnett thing.
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So it was originally reported by Graham that Barnett said he was staying on the staff.
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And then Couch updated clarity from Harlan Barnett.
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He now says he possibly has the opportunity to stay at MSU.
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So, uh-oh.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
00:16:02
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Like, I think you should be allowed the opportunity to be in an off-field capacity.
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Yeah.
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I'm cool with Kiefer.
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I don't really have a problem with Kiefer to my own.
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Yeah, as long as he doesn't coach the secondary.
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Like, if he's, like, the chief vibes officer of the program, like, great.
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Like, in charge of recruiting, like –
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He needs the CEO role or whatever the hell it was that the guy at Arizona State had.
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Or what Dan Antonio did this year.
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Yeah, kind of.
00:16:31
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The same thing.
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That's kind of the role that's perfect.
00:16:34
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Be an ambassador.
00:16:34
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Get us into Detroit area high schools.
00:16:37
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Yeah.
00:16:40
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Yeah.
00:16:41
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I mean, I'm excited.
00:16:46
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It didn't seem like it was a rush decision.
00:16:49
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I don't have the reservations I have about it as I did Mel Tucker.
00:16:55
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I was excited about that, but that was just because...
00:17:02
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Here's the thing.
00:17:04
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Mel Tucker had no track record of success.
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Elko had a bit of track record of success, but it wasn't at a high level.
00:17:12
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Smith has a high-level record of success.
Future Coaching Staff and Offensive Strategy
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He won 10 games at Oregon State.
00:17:19
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That's something.
00:17:21
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Elko came close last year, but when you hit that 10-2 mark, or upper crust of 9-3 mark,
00:17:31
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We're talking about a legit playoff contender at Oregon State.
00:17:34
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That's insane.
00:17:36
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Duke wasn't quite that.
00:17:39
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Really, I think we hit the best caliber of coach we could get without it being someone like Irvin Meyer.
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So realistically, I think we got the best guy we could get.
00:17:52
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Yep.
00:17:55
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Yeah, I think a bright future is ahead.
00:17:58
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I asked...
00:18:00
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I guess I'm excited to see what's up.
00:18:02
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I'm not excited that this podcast is probably coming to an end soon.
00:18:06
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But we need to definitely have more episodes about once we fill out the staff and all that stuff, I guess.
00:18:16
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So here's the one thing.
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How come the offensive coordinators never mention?
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Because it doesn't really matter.
00:18:20
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They hate him.
00:18:22
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They don't like him.
00:18:23
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They really don't like him.
00:18:23
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They hate him.
00:18:26
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Hard to ask.
00:18:28
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They don't like him.
00:18:31
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And if we're being real honest, it's Jonathan Smith's offense, right?
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Yeah.
00:18:35
Speaker
You know you're going to get high-level quarterback play, and you know they're going to run the shit out of the ball.
00:18:41
Speaker
And I'm happy with that.
00:18:43
Speaker
Nathan Carter.
00:18:43
Speaker
Yeah.
00:18:44
Speaker
Dude, the problem is –
00:18:48
Speaker
The first year, the Lions are kind of going to be depleted, probably, because it's so hard to bring in dudes in the portal on the Lions.
00:18:57
Speaker
We already have Lion talent.
00:18:58
Speaker
We have young talent that's really good on the Lions.
00:19:00
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, it's all younger dudes.
00:19:03
Speaker
You just get them behind a real coach.
00:19:05
Speaker
You have guys that you can actually coach up now.
00:19:10
Speaker
You don't have Nick Samac starting.
00:19:14
Speaker
Garrett Hurst.
00:19:16
Speaker
Yeah, like you don't have bullshit on the lines.
00:19:18
Speaker
You have guys that are high-level recruits.
00:19:20
Speaker
Like you have like – what's his face?
00:19:23
Speaker
The guy got hurt this year.
00:19:26
Speaker
Talking about so many guys got hurt this year.
00:19:29
Speaker
Yeah, that's a very broad statement.
00:19:31
Speaker
He's Tucker's first class.
00:19:32
Speaker
The kid out of New Jersey.
00:19:34
Speaker
Oh, you're talking about – Van Damark.
00:19:37
Speaker
Yeah, he got – no, he played most of the year.
00:19:40
Speaker
We're talking about – We're talking about San Antonio.
00:19:41
Speaker
We're talking about San Antonio.
00:19:43
Speaker
Both of them.
00:19:43
Speaker
Yeah, both of them actually.
00:19:47
Speaker
There's good recruiting talent on this roster.
00:19:50
Speaker
Basically, every position group, they're all young.
00:19:56
Speaker
There's a good coaching staff coming next year and winning eight games.
00:20:00
Speaker
We really should have that conversation later on about what the expectations for this coaching staff should be next year before.
00:20:09
Speaker
But I think...
00:20:11
Speaker
A good coaching staff can come in, build a solid run game here, build a solid front seven, and just win eight
Team Dynamics and Player Development
00:20:18
Speaker
games.
00:20:18
Speaker
You're probably not beating Michigan, Ohio State, or Oregon, but every other game should be winnable.
00:20:25
Speaker
Yeah.
00:20:28
Speaker
I did have a thought that came to my head.
00:20:30
Speaker
I'm like, who gets more snaps next year, Nate Carter or Mangum?
00:20:35
Speaker
Is Mangum alive still?
00:20:37
Speaker
Yeah, he's been playing –
00:20:39
Speaker
I don't know, man.
00:20:40
Speaker
Last game I watched was the fucking Michigan game.
00:20:43
Speaker
First quarter of the Michigan game.
00:20:44
Speaker
I was blackout drunk and I left the stadium in the first quarter.
00:20:47
Speaker
Yep, I left that game.
00:20:48
Speaker
We were down 28-0.
00:20:49
Speaker
I was out.
00:20:52
Speaker
Yeah, but anyways, bright future ahead for us.
00:20:56
Speaker
I honestly, like...
00:20:59
Speaker
When I saw the tweet this morning that the deal with Jonathan Smith was at the five-yard line, I'm like, oh, fuck.
00:21:05
Speaker
We're going to fucking – We have the Jay Johnson of board of trustees.
00:21:11
Speaker
So we didn't.
00:21:12
Speaker
Holy shit.
00:21:13
Speaker
Like it all went well.
00:21:14
Speaker
There was nothing embarrassing about this search.
00:21:17
Speaker
I mean, it was embarrassing how it started, but we didn't get rejected because somebody's wife didn't like how things were going.
00:21:26
Speaker
We didn't have pictures of a dude's shoes at Capital City Airport and then get turned down.
00:21:31
Speaker
Yeah, that was actually me and Ryan's group of people that did that on Twitter.
00:21:36
Speaker
So we're sorry about that.
00:21:40
Speaker
I'll shout out to Sav.
00:21:41
Speaker
I don't know if he fucking listens to this shit, but that was a fucking amazing...
00:21:46
Speaker
moment was that was that I would say like the Mel Tucker hire is when MSU Twitter shifted from being like led by the guys on the only colors to led by guys with no journalistic credibility okay so here's the thing oh okay well you didn't go MSU but boy 69 doesn't have joni um doesn't have credibility
00:22:08
Speaker
No.
00:22:10
Speaker
You studied computer science in college just like I did.
00:22:13
Speaker
Computer engineering, let's be fucking – let's be fair.
00:22:17
Speaker
Yeah, so did I. I mean, yeah, computer engineering.
00:22:21
Speaker
That was an inflection point in who was like the lead personalities in MSC Twitter.
00:22:27
Speaker
It went from like –
00:22:28
Speaker
Like, I mean, by that point, I think Vanini was at the athletic, but it went from like Austin Smith and all those guys, the old guard to this new guard of people that like just are batshit insane like you and Chief.
Coaching Values and Cultural Fit
00:22:42
Speaker
So I want to touch on this actually.
00:22:45
Speaker
I really want to touch on this because you kind of brought up a point that's really interesting is if you look at the way Oregon State does things and you look at the way Mel Tucker did things,
00:22:55
Speaker
it seems like they do things at a more serious level.
00:22:58
Speaker
Like, Mel Tucker came in with about brand building.
00:23:01
Speaker
He was about all these, like,
00:23:03
Speaker
The woodshed, deep end, all that shit, right?
00:23:06
Speaker
I mean, the woodshed has been around forever.
00:23:09
Speaker
I know, but it was about branding and all this marketability and all that.
00:23:14
Speaker
Jonathan Smith seems to come in more as a football guy.
00:23:16
Speaker
Yes.
00:23:18
Speaker
I think we're getting more of the Mark D'Antonio vibes.
00:23:21
Speaker
He uses social media, but he's not obsessed with his own brand.
00:23:26
Speaker
And I understand why Mel Tucker did it.
00:23:28
Speaker
I understand the whole aspect of recruiting and I understand the aspect of bringing guys to campus.
00:23:32
Speaker
But I don't hate the idea that we're going back to a football guy.
00:23:38
Speaker
Like, I think we're getting a football guy, more of a D'Antonio mold or like someone like that than like a Mel Tucker guy.
00:23:45
Speaker
I see.
00:23:47
Speaker
We're not getting a CEO.
00:23:50
Speaker
No, we're not getting a program builder.
00:23:52
Speaker
We're talking about a guy who coached football.
00:23:55
Speaker
I've seen this guy as an extremely genuine person from everything I've seen so far, which is awesome.
00:24:03
Speaker
I fully believe that they quote about Oregon State being his dream job because, like, why the fuck would he leave if they weren't going down?
00:24:12
Speaker
They would not have left.
00:24:14
Speaker
Yeah.
00:24:14
Speaker
I think the funniest thing I saw is when he who shall not be named went on the Oregon State space.
00:24:22
Speaker
Yeah.
00:24:22
Speaker
Went on the Oregon State space and was like, guys, do you have any dirt for me?
00:24:26
Speaker
Like, is there anything that we can blackmail him with?
00:24:28
Speaker
Like, has he done anything wrong?
00:24:30
Speaker
And the first comment is like, he's literally the nicest guy ever.
00:24:33
Speaker
It's funny.
00:24:36
Speaker
So I remember right at the start of the search, we were all like, we can't.
00:24:41
Speaker
go with the nice guy hire we gotta go get a guy who can win football games you can do both we got we did we did both we did both if if what they're saying is right and he is literally the nicest guy ever we've seen him coach football we've seen him build a program dude we got we got the perfect guy
00:25:00
Speaker
I think maybe Harlan Barnett is a nicer guy than him.
00:25:04
Speaker
Harlan is like the nicest person he is.
00:25:07
Speaker
He really actually is.
00:25:08
Speaker
He's a cuck.
00:25:09
Speaker
Fuck him.
00:25:10
Speaker
Be nice.
00:25:12
Speaker
Tell me where Harlan touched you.
00:25:15
Speaker
Yeah, he kept Sam Levitt on the roster.
00:25:19
Speaker
You know what?
00:25:21
Speaker
I'm going to give Harlan some flowers real quick.
00:25:25
Speaker
He did a really good job keeping this roster together.
00:25:30
Speaker
Like, there wasn't, like, a mass exodus in the portal or anything.
00:25:32
Speaker
Guys who we thought were in trouble earlier came back, had a chance to redeem themselves.
00:25:37
Speaker
Like, he did a good from that regard.
00:25:40
Speaker
He also couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag.
00:25:42
Speaker
Yeah.
00:25:44
Speaker
Which is what it is.
00:25:46
Speaker
Who cares?
00:25:48
Speaker
But, like, we have a chance now, like, for Smith to, like, have an opportunity to talk to guys like Levitt, both Mangums,
00:26:00
Speaker
Carter.
00:26:01
Speaker
So who do you want to keep?
00:26:03
Speaker
Because there's going to be some like roster.
00:26:07
Speaker
Dillon Tatum.
00:26:10
Speaker
Tatum, Mangum, and Spencer are the first three guys I can think of.
00:26:13
Speaker
All the young off to line recruits.
00:26:15
Speaker
Probably Derek Harmon.
00:26:16
Speaker
Rucker.
00:26:17
Speaker
DePaype.
Player Evaluation and Transfer Speculations
00:26:19
Speaker
DePaype by Joe.
00:26:21
Speaker
I think those two might be – I'm probably DePaype following Jonathan Smith now, so.
00:26:26
Speaker
Oh, he is?
00:26:27
Speaker
Okay.
00:26:28
Speaker
So basically everyone will be 22.
00:26:30
Speaker
Jalen Thompson's not going anywhere, though.
00:26:32
Speaker
He's a little.
00:26:33
Speaker
Jordan Hall.
00:26:33
Speaker
Jordan Hall.
00:26:34
Speaker
Jordan Hall, yeah.
00:26:35
Speaker
Obviously.
00:26:35
Speaker
Jordan Hall is the 22.
00:26:36
Speaker
22 and 22 classes.
00:26:39
Speaker
Yeah, I want to keep Rucker.
00:26:42
Speaker
Yeah, we want to keep Rucker.
00:26:45
Speaker
Because the secondary was really the only part of the team that seemed to have improved.
00:26:49
Speaker
Dude, the secondary was good this year.
00:26:50
Speaker
I want to keep – I'll actually go a step further.
00:26:52
Speaker
I want Jim Salgado to stick around as a defensive backs coach.
00:27:00
Speaker
For at least a year or two.
00:27:02
Speaker
No, let whoever comes in as defensive coordinator pick their guy for that role.
00:27:07
Speaker
Fair, yeah.
00:27:07
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:27:09
Speaker
I mean, like, obviously.
00:27:11
Speaker
But I think Salgado did a really good job this year.
00:27:16
Speaker
I think the 22, 23 classes, we want to keep as many people as we can off.
00:27:19
Speaker
Yeah, that was – yeah, for sure.
00:27:22
Speaker
I think, like, the older – the upperclassmen, I mean –
00:27:25
Speaker
I don't know.
00:27:31
Speaker
I would make a strong effort to keep Levitt.
00:27:35
Speaker
If Kim or Hauser wanted to go somewhere else, I would not be heartbroken.
00:27:39
Speaker
No, Kim's gone.
00:27:43
Speaker
Yeah, Kim's definitely gone.
00:27:45
Speaker
It sounded like he was probably gone based on what he posted yesterday.
00:27:48
Speaker
I think Hauser...
00:27:51
Speaker
I don't, here's the thing.
00:27:53
Speaker
Hauser didn't show anything this year that would like meet.
00:27:57
Speaker
He didn't even, I thought, all right, I'm going to like go on, make a wild take.
00:28:01
Speaker
I thought Rocky Lombardi was better than Hauser.
00:28:03
Speaker
Like, I think I can't trust like fucking Hauser.
00:28:09
Speaker
That's an insane take, man.
00:28:10
Speaker
Yeah, I know.
00:28:12
Speaker
Have you watched Rocky Lombardi play?
00:28:15
Speaker
What?
00:28:16
Speaker
He had two good games and he turned into a make-a-wish child.
Pandemic's Impact on Coaching Decisions
00:28:19
Speaker
Yeah.
00:28:20
Speaker
Yeah, but here's the thing.
00:28:21
Speaker
Like, I can't trust – I don't know what it is about Hauser, but, like, I just – I can't trust him to, like, gain a couple yards on the ground.
00:28:32
Speaker
It's fucked.
00:28:34
Speaker
Anytime he throws a ball, it's so soft and, like, there's, like – it's just, like, floating.
00:28:40
Speaker
So I'm not going to say Hauser's the guy because I think Levitt is, but – Yeah.
00:28:44
Speaker
he really, really went through a bad situation this year.
00:28:48
Speaker
There was no, there was no adults in the room.
00:28:50
Speaker
Yeah.
00:28:52
Speaker
And I think maybe like if, if who knows, maybe with a real coach that knows how to develop QBs or like, I don't know, an offensive coordinator that knows how to like get a yard.
00:29:03
Speaker
Like, sorry, our idiot coach, our fucking idiot coach is having, having a run back and forth on the sideline for the Michigan game.
00:29:10
Speaker
Yeah.
00:29:12
Speaker
And so I think, yeah, maybe he might develop,
00:29:17
Speaker
I think Levitt's the future anyway.
00:29:18
Speaker
Yeah, I do too.
00:29:19
Speaker
Or Aiden Childs.
00:29:22
Speaker
My thing with him is if he transfers here, he doesn't win the job, he's screwed.
00:29:28
Speaker
I don't know if he transfers here.
00:29:29
Speaker
I think he'll transfer out.
00:29:30
Speaker
I don't know if he's going to transfer here.
00:29:32
Speaker
He'll go somewhere else.
00:29:33
Speaker
Yeah, I think he'll go somewhere else.
00:29:35
Speaker
Ohio State.
00:29:37
Speaker
No, I read that it was down between Oregon State and Kansas State for his recruitment the first time.
00:29:42
Speaker
Mm-hmm.
00:29:44
Speaker
Ohio State needs a quarterback and a coach.
00:29:47
Speaker
Dude, McCord actually played pretty well after the first quarter.
00:29:50
Speaker
I like McCord still.
00:29:51
Speaker
No, he sucks.
00:29:54
Speaker
He sucks.
00:29:54
Speaker
He's ass.
00:29:56
Speaker
Yeah.
00:29:58
Speaker
I mean, they can definitely better McCord, but I think he's okay.
00:30:03
Speaker
Yeah.
00:30:03
Speaker
So, yeah, we're entering a brave new world, and I'm feeling good about it.
00:30:10
Speaker
And fortunately, I mean, God forbid, I hope there's like no pandemic in like two months.
00:30:15
Speaker
That would fucking
Hypothetical Coaching Scenarios
00:30:16
Speaker
suck.
00:30:16
Speaker
That would be kind of shitty and really help out recruiting a lot.
00:30:19
Speaker
You know, I'm just like, rest, right?
00:30:22
Speaker
How do you think the Mel Tucker era would have gone if there wasn't a pandemic?
00:30:25
Speaker
I don't think it changed a lot.
00:30:28
Speaker
Same way.
00:30:31
Speaker
Same way.
00:30:32
Speaker
But it went the same way.
00:30:33
Speaker
Yeah.
00:30:34
Speaker
He would have got fired after this year, honestly, if there was no pandemic.
00:30:38
Speaker
I think they still go 7-5 this year with him.
00:30:40
Speaker
He would have got fired.
00:30:42
Speaker
He would have been gone.
00:30:42
Speaker
Yeah.
00:30:43
Speaker
I would have definitely wanted to have fired after that.
00:30:45
Speaker
7-5 ain't shit.
00:30:46
Speaker
Because they would have went like 4-8 or 5-7 in 2020.
00:30:53
Speaker
I think with the pandemic, Wake Forest would have had more games.
00:30:59
Speaker
Oh, that's a good point.
00:31:01
Speaker
Wake Forest maybe would have had more games.
00:31:05
Speaker
More people would have seen Nate Carter.
00:31:07
Speaker
what he's capable of, and I think other teams might have picked him up.
00:31:13
Speaker
Okay.
00:31:15
Speaker
What?
00:31:16
Speaker
I don't think we wouldn't have Walker.
00:31:19
Speaker
Telker wouldn't have gotten the extension.
00:31:23
Speaker
I don't think we would have won 11 games in 2021.
00:31:25
Speaker
I think the reason – I think a reason why there wasn't much video on Walker and why no one else really –
00:31:38
Speaker
went for him in the transfer portal is because there weren't enough games in 2020.
00:31:44
Speaker
Also, Dave Clawson's a terrorist and the fact he was linked to this job and the fact I was trying to sell myself on him, holy crap, you were down bad.
00:31:53
Speaker
Jason Candle.
00:31:54
Speaker
Oh my God.
00:31:56
Speaker
Jason Candle fucking sucks, man.
00:31:58
Speaker
I went on a fucking defense of that man.
00:32:01
Speaker
Why would I, like, how bad, how down bad was I?
00:32:04
Speaker
You were down bad.
00:32:05
Speaker
You and I did that.
00:32:08
Speaker
I didn't do that.
00:32:09
Speaker
I didn't defend the candle.
00:32:11
Speaker
I didn't like the candle.
00:32:12
Speaker
I'm seeing people on the RCMB right now suggest Jason Candles, OC, which I am not against.
00:32:22
Speaker
Sean Lewis.
00:32:24
Speaker
Sean Lewis for offensive coordinator here.
00:32:27
Speaker
Yeah, that would be better.
00:32:28
Speaker
Sean Lewis.
00:32:29
Speaker
That's my pick.
00:32:30
Speaker
But I guess the job is for the trust.
Final Reflections on Jonathan Smith's Hiring
00:32:33
Speaker
We have a lot of time to figure this shit out.
00:32:36
Speaker
It's not like a big rush now.
00:32:41
Speaker
So, yeah.
00:32:43
Speaker
NCAA.
00:32:43
Speaker
Let's go NCAA.
00:32:46
Speaker
Yeah, we should have a look back episode and just, like, talk about all the dumb shit takes that we ran into, like Pat Narduzzi or Pat Shermer.
00:32:56
Speaker
We started at Pat Narduzzi and Jason Candle and Jake Dicker.
00:33:00
Speaker
Some dipshit two days ago in this Facebook group I'm in.
00:33:06
Speaker
Said he'd rather have Garducci than Jonathan Smith.
00:33:09
Speaker
Like, actually said that.
00:33:12
Speaker
Hold on, I'm checking on.
00:33:14
Speaker
Huh?
00:33:14
Speaker
So, Pitt, I think Pitt lost to Duke today, so they can officially 3-9.
00:33:18
Speaker
Yeah, you don't want that, man.
00:33:23
Speaker
But Mark D'Antonio went 3-9.
00:33:25
Speaker
I'm like, yeah, Mark D'Antonio went 3-9 after he peaked.
00:33:28
Speaker
And it was not the same.
00:33:30
Speaker
Mark D'Antonio went 3-9 and it was a sign of the end.
00:33:33
Speaker
Mark D'Antonio won multiple Big Ten championships too.
00:33:35
Speaker
What the hell has Narduzzi won without a picket?
00:33:38
Speaker
Nothing.
00:33:38
Speaker
No, Narduzzi won something and then he immediately kicked the guy who was most responsible for that.
00:33:44
Speaker
That's what I'm saying.
00:33:46
Speaker
Without picket, what has he won?
00:33:47
Speaker
Absolutely nothing.
00:33:48
Speaker
Whipple.
00:33:49
Speaker
Whipple.
00:33:50
Speaker
He fired Whipple after the fucking Peach Bowl here.
00:33:54
Speaker
The Peach Bowl.
00:33:55
Speaker
He fired him after that game.
00:33:57
Speaker
For some reason, even though the offense was good.
00:34:02
Speaker
Yeah, we're looking at all of these things.
00:34:06
Speaker
And I'm looking through the notes that I've had from previous episodes.
00:34:12
Speaker
And Smith was always in our top three.
00:34:16
Speaker
I remember actually in our first episode, I have in the show notes, Jonathan Smith rubs titties when he wants them clock milked.
00:34:27
Speaker
Yeah, it was after the Utah game.
00:34:29
Speaker
Yeah, because... Yeah, dude.
00:34:35
Speaker
Yeah, Smith was always in our top 3-4.
00:34:39
Speaker
By the way, for the people who have been fishing about his recruiting, when he got to Oregon State, they had recruiting restrictions because of the last coaching staff.
00:34:51
Speaker
Just heads up.
00:34:52
Speaker
Are you serious?
00:34:53
Speaker
Not kidding.
00:34:55
Speaker
Dude, wow.
00:34:56
Speaker
The last coaching staff was so bad.
00:35:01
Speaker
No, I think Smith and Elko have been pretty consistently in our top three.
00:35:04
Speaker
I think Leopold's always been up there too.
00:35:06
Speaker
Yeah.
00:35:10
Speaker
We did it.
00:35:11
Speaker
We did it.
00:35:12
Speaker
They had reduced recruiting evaluation days when they first got there.
00:35:19
Speaker
Yeah.
00:35:21
Speaker
Anyways, so we'll probably have a couple episodes after this talking about rounding out the coach staff and then final thoughts about the process and what everyone thinks.
00:35:32
Speaker
But I think everyone here at The Search is all jazzed.
00:35:36
Speaker
I think this is a pretty fucking great hire.
00:35:38
Speaker
I think everyone else is...
00:35:41
Speaker
uh pretty stoked on it too uh i'm gonna actually try and set up like a live live stream episode where you give shits that all five of you that listen to us can like yell at us while we talk um but that being said um
00:35:58
Speaker
A new regime is in power.
00:36:01
Speaker
The Scandalous Football Center has been liberated from terrorists.
00:36:06
Speaker
And Jonathan Smith is now our new leader.
00:36:11
Speaker
So I think we're going to nip it in the bud there.
00:36:15
Speaker
Any closing thoughts, guys?
00:36:19
Speaker
No, thank God we didn't end up with someone I hate.
00:36:22
Speaker
Yeah.
00:36:23
Speaker
I'm very pleased.
00:36:24
Speaker
Absolutely.
00:36:26
Speaker
I'm really glad we have a competent, what appears to be a competent AD and not the world's biggest ginger kid with a suitcase and a little...
00:36:35
Speaker
So right at the start, I had the Elko line, which is basically like anyone Mike Elko were better, I would consider a good hire.
00:36:42
Speaker
Anyone worse, I would consider just Scott the program.
00:36:46
Speaker
I think Jonathan Smith's very clearly above that line.
00:36:51
Speaker
Yep.
00:36:52
Speaker
Yep.
00:36:52
Speaker
And that's where I'm at, too.
00:36:54
Speaker
I mean, I would have been happy with Elko, but... I'd have been thrilled with Elko.
00:36:58
Speaker
Elko and Leopold I'd have been happy with, but... Yep.
00:37:01
Speaker
But I'm thrilled with him, too.
Conclusion and Future Podcast Hints
00:37:03
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I think...
00:37:05
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uh we can talk about it in a future episode but like um or or not like uncle's not gonna be our coach so we got jonathan smith we're all milkmen here so anyways um yeah let's wrap it up there we'll probably join you guys later this week and stuff and yeah um bro this is ollie on behalf of ryan and zanjo uh welcome to the jonathan smith era