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E14: Your Mother Recognizes...
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In this episode, we shine a "Fan Spotlight" on Zubia and her two daughters (Sidra and Sabrina), whom Eric met at the 2023 LA show.
We use this time to answer one of parenting's most important topics: What is the best way to raise our children so that they also become Counting Crows fans?
We also review their favorite show. September 20, 2015 (Concord, CA), which gets the group nostalgic about the Somewhere Under Wonderland songs..
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Episode 14 Introduction
00:00:16
Speaker
Welcome to episode 14 of Sullivan Street. I am Eric Vogelsang and I'm here with my co-host Chris Miggs. Chris, Happy New Year to you. Happy New Year? Actually, since the last time we recorded, we got a Christmas gift from Adam Duritz.
Christmas Song Discussion
00:00:33
Speaker
Not like us too personally, like all Counting Crows fans, because he released that version of Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas, which is wonderful. It's one of my favorite Christmas songs. And really like several artists I love covered that this year, and I thought his version was easily the best. And one that really got me in the feels. I agree.
00:00:56
Speaker
It's probably not surprising that that was always maybe my favorite Christmas song as well, probably because it is melancholy, which why I like the crows, et cetera. It's probably my third. Number two is Fairy Tale of New York, which is one of the best Christmas songs ever and was also memorably performed this Christmas season. And number one, and there's no argument, is Last Christmas by George Michael. That is the correct answer always for best Christmas song.
00:01:25
Speaker
That's a great one. It is in my top three and we have some other, we have some guests here today who might also have their, uh, their, uh, opinions about Christmas songs.
Fan Spotlight Introduction
00:01:35
Speaker
And so this is kind of a neat episode, obviously for the, for, I, I don't think we've had any non Counting Crows fans on the podcast, Chris, but, uh, we, we, except for maybe Matt Malley, who was not a fan, he was a band member, but he made it clear. He was a fan of the work that he was doing.
00:01:54
Speaker
for most of the time. Absolutely. But this is like the first podcast that I'm calling it a fan spotlight. So the main purpose of the episode is actually to focus on a fan, in this case three fans, because they are from the same family. And it's also an interesting that we're getting the women's perspective this time, which we haven't had yet, which we will have more of in the upcoming months. But at first I will say hello to Zubia. Zubia, good evening.
00:02:24
Speaker
Hi there. Hi, Eric and Chris. Thank you for having us on. And so I will, and then we'll announce who else we have here as well.
Meeting Counting Crows Fans
00:02:35
Speaker
So ZooBI met at the Los Angeles show in the, at the, I guess, famous in LA area, YouTube theater, and
00:02:45
Speaker
I kind of went around stalking people. No, I did go around and say hi to a number. I guess I said hi to like six, seven people appeared. In fact, if you listen to the Recovering the Satellites episode, there was a fan there that I met. And for him, I think it was similar how I met you as Efri.
00:03:03
Speaker
Which was that if I remember correctly that you all three of you had like wasn't just counting crows shirt But one that showed me you might have been kind of a fan I think I was walking by the special area where they were serving food so you can tell me the story but but the reason we have zubian besides just that she is a a major fan is that
00:03:28
Speaker
Her daughters are also fans, and I met the three of them together, and I just thought it was a neat family story. So do, and so we have a Sidra, I'll say a quick hello, Sidra. Hi, thank you for having me. I'm so excited. I've never done a podcast before, so I'm very excited. So am I, and Sabrina. Hi, Eric and Chris, thank you for having us. And can one of you, I'll just start with Sabrina, because we, do you remember what shirts the three of you were wearing that particular night?
00:03:59
Speaker
what I was wearing. I was wearing a shirt from, gosh, maybe at least five years ago, that we had kind of, you know, cut up and made cute. And it's it was definitely not a new shirt by any means. And it was their Berkeley logo shirt. Oh, right. Which is one of my favorite. And I think that's actually what I bought that day. I've been looking I've been wanting a Berkeley one to sit here. Do you remember what you're wearing? Yeah, I was wearing
00:04:28
Speaker
the one with the man holding the umbrella, the gray shirt, and it says Counting Crows. I got it in Orange County at the, what was the name of the theater? The Amphitheater Mom. Do you remember? Pacific Amphitheater, yes. The Rain King logo and Zumbia, and you also had a Crow shirt on too? I had this Rain King New Year shirt. It was the black one with the Counting Crows logo in red and then the star.
00:04:57
Speaker
Oh, right. I like that. So I saw the three guys said a quick hello. And I think I was at first, it was just like, oh, I just wanted to say hi. And I like your shirts and on your way. And then somehow it came up and then I mentioned a podcast and then they realized, oh, this guy might have a story too. And then we just started talking.
00:05:14
Speaker
So Zubia, I will start with you.
Impact of Counting Crows
00:05:18
Speaker
So tell us your maybe personal cannon crow story. How did you originally become a fan? And forget about your daughters for a second. You know, let's say they didn't care. What has kept you into them or kept coming back all these decades? Yeah, I mean, so for me, lyrics have always been like the
00:05:42
Speaker
obviously for me the best thing about a song. And so with the Counting Crows, everything for me comes back to the lyrics. Throughout my life, there's a song at every moment that means something for me. When I first met my husband now, and we were dating, you know,
00:06:11
Speaker
like Anna Begins was huge. And it meant something to me. I thought I was Anna. I thought I was Maria. That was who I was. And, you know, moving on in life. There was a time when I, you know, had a very hard time in my life. I was going through some, I was going through chemo. And the August and everything after was
00:06:41
Speaker
one of two records that I played on loop every time that kept me going. The other, if I can say, was Tiger Lily by Natalie Merchant. And then this one, August and Everything After, and it just kept me going. There's songs that mean so much, like along December, reminds me a lot of a couple of cousins that I have lost very young.
00:07:09
Speaker
Um, so there's, it just keeps me coming back. There's just so much meaning there for me. Um, so that's kind of like my ties. I mean, every time I hear it, I hear something new, like it needs something. It's just so, it's such a deep meaning for me.
00:07:29
Speaker
That's interesting you
Music and Family Bonds
00:07:30
Speaker
said about Tiger Lily because that is that is an album that we haven't mentioned because sometimes Chris we mentioned albums that came out around the same time that that I don't know somehow like the fans over over overlap or or I don't know that that that's that was also one of my favorite albums in the 90s as well as you'll be as Tiger Lily that is that is a special a special album so I know you know I'm
00:07:52
Speaker
you know, sorry to hear about what you went through. I'm glad the crows could be a part of that. And in a weird, like almost morbid way, that when you hear things like, Oh, if you were in an island, and you can only bring one album with you or two, but people usually don't have to make those choices. But in this case, you actually, you know, made similar choices. And it's funny, because I still have a very old car that I drive that I don't want to give up. It's like from 2009. And it has a
00:08:21
Speaker
a CD player, I've got my six CDs. And everything in there maybe other than like one, one section is all like three of them are for accounting crows, like nobody moves those. That's what they are. And so I'm really hesitating buying a new car because I don't want to lose that feature. Listen, I know I updated my
00:08:47
Speaker
car stereo to get a CD, have a CD player just so I can play some of my favorite. And I know I could download them or whatever, but I want those physical media for some of those, some of my favorite CDs. Absolutely. That's just the way it is. And my kids actually kind of like CDs because of it too, even though they're used to streaming. Well, that's funny. We're going to rediscover CDs like we rediscovered vinyl, Eric. That's true. Our kids are young enough that like five, 10 years from now, they're going to be like, dad, I found these really cool things. They're these discs and they're
00:09:15
Speaker
They're smaller than those things you have up there, and that's where we're all headed to, because those are going to be like a dollar a piece, and that's how they're going to collect things. I'm glad you said that about Anna, because Chris and I, of course, on the podcast now, even off the podcast, we've talked about that. That's kind of one of the reasons I wanted, you know, some of the women, some female kind of crows fans is that, like, Anna begins as a great example, because I even told Chris that,
00:09:40
Speaker
it begins when you're whatever 22 year old you're thinking and I even backpacked when I was 25 and I guess that's partly about the backpacker love that he lost and and you're putting yourself from from Adam's perspective and then I even said to Chris that some of the lyrics as a father now you can talk about that love in a non-romantic way because just the
00:10:01
Speaker
I guess the kind of vagueness of some of the words can be, and I was always wondering, I was like, oh, you know, would women see themselves as Anna or Maria? And you answered, yes. That's the truth there. Did you, when you were younger, sorry, did you get in, were you started listening right, I mean, around when August came out or did you discover them later?
Sidra's Musical Journey
00:10:28
Speaker
Around when they came out. Okay.
00:10:31
Speaker
Do you remember when your first concert was? For example, I've said on the podcast, even though I've liked them since the beginning, I didn't see a concert until the Desert Life tour. It's really hard for me to remember back. I want to say maybe hard candy. I can't remember. Yeah, I'd have to go back and think about when my first concert of theirs was.
00:10:56
Speaker
So maybe like oh four, oh five something, you know, or something or something like that. Okay. Do you know how many you've been to now? I mean, or a rough estimate after all these years. I mean, not as many as I would like, um, maybe eight to 10. Yeah. Hey, that's still a lot. We've had some people on the podcast who are huge fans that have only seen them two or three times or something like that. Cause that's what life, you know, not as much as I would like. I would love to like,
00:11:26
Speaker
take some time off work and follow that. So now, and of course I'll get the perspective, your daughter's perspective, but before we introduce them again, I want to hear when did you, and the first time, by the way, I've heard anything about parents getting, and of course Adams actually mentioned this a couple of times. I think when I saw him in,
00:11:51
Speaker
in Manchester. He actually mentioned, I think, to the crowd or right after or something like that, that, oh, now we've seen people bring their children to the concert. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean that the children are big fans. When I saw them once in Wisconsin around 2014, that's the first time I met somebody. I think I was in my late 30s or something, and there was somebody there who was 22 about your daughter's age.
00:12:13
Speaker
And she said, oh, my parents got, I loved them because my parents wouldn't stop playing it in the car. And I just started to like them. So Zubia, when do you think you introduced your, you know, your, your, your, your daughters to the crows and was it deliberate or was it, and was it a love at first listen or did it take like a decade of, you know, of, of salesmanship to do that or?
00:12:39
Speaker
So I want to say maybe a little bit of both. And it might be different with the two girls. So like I said, I just always have it playing in the car. Lyrics mean a lot to me. So I'm always singing. I should probably, you know, like poorly, but I'm always singing in the car. And I'm always pointing out like, listen to this lyric. This is the best lyric you've ever heard.
00:13:06
Speaker
And so I'm trying to tell them like, you've got to listen to this. This is so good. This is what makes a song a song, right? The meaning behind it. And so I think it was a lot of like repetition and playing the songs over and over, but then bringing that to them to like, hey, it's just, it's not just the music. It's what it means. So I think like for each of them, it may be a little bit different what they tell you.
00:13:35
Speaker
Okay, great. We're about to go to that. And by the way, this case gets me thinking of stuff like, you know, religion or telling your daughters that math is important, right? So if you push it really hard, sometimes they will think it's important because you got to believe in this, or sometimes could have the complete opposite effect that your kids are like, I hate crows because you always played them, but no, luckily it worked out. So you are a poster child for doing this the right way. So I'll start with Sidra. Sidra,
00:14:02
Speaker
Tell me your story of how you think you became a Crows fan at what age and what kind of brainwashing your mother correctly did, et cetera. Yeah. So for me, I can't really identify a beginning. It's kind of just like, I feel like I've always just known the songs. Like I've always just known the lyrics and the melodies. Like I don't remember when I first heard it. I just remember hearing it all the time. So for me, like I associate Cannon Crows with
00:14:30
Speaker
family road trips, you know, on the way to dinner, my grandma's house or going to Arizona, just having Counting Crows on repeat. And it's like pretty nostalgic for me to listen to. So I would say just like growing up, like my mom mentioned, it was always just on repeat. And I am a musician myself. I grew up singing, playing the piano and writing songs. And I know my mom would be like,
00:14:57
Speaker
Try to, you know, listen to Counting Crows, listen to their lyrics. You know, see if you can take any inspiration away from that. So, yeah, I mean, I love them and I love that my family loves them. So, yeah, that's so interesting. It makes you right. No, Chris, jump in. What age do you remember? Do you sort of remember liking them? Is it like five or six or was it younger? Yeah, maybe like eight.
00:15:24
Speaker
around eight years old. Yeah, I would say. And I'm 20 now. So yeah, Chris, what I keep thinking about this, and I finally found one bright spot to America, American suburban car culture, is that you can force your children to listen because because it sounds like it was mostly in the car, right? I'm maybe sometimes at home, but
00:15:45
Speaker
Yeah, well, look at this, Chris. We're helping society and right. This gives you the chance that our trapped kids to listen to the music that we like. Sabrina, let's go to you. Yeah, so I always describe Counting Crows as the soundtrack to my life because literally like all the time on our drives, whatever age I was, wherever we were going, that's what we were listening to. And it's like my sister said,
00:16:12
Speaker
I feel like I know the melody and the lyrics by heart and even the flow of the August and Everything After album. What song comes after the next song? I just inherently know it just because it's that ingrained in our life. And it's so funny how something so...
00:16:31
Speaker
You know, you might feel like it's in the background, right? Like it's just playing on the CD, but it really becomes part of you. And I really feel like it's part of me at this point, and I'm 27, so.
00:16:43
Speaker
It really just, Counting Crows is honestly just home to me because I remember going to college and my mom wasn't driving me around anymore. It was me and my downloaded playlists and I would download the songs and walk to class to them, especially if I was feeling homesick or just wanted a little piece of familiarity.
00:17:09
Speaker
I love that. I'm really getting this. It's like Thanksgiving away from home or something. Exactly. That nostalgia. Chris, I'm realizing I'm really doing something wrong with my children, is really what I'm already feeling in this episode. Because they all know I like the crows. But the point is, I've given them too much choice. I'm not playing it enough when I'm driving to Orange County. So yeah, I'm going to start doing it. And my wife, by the way, is her big thing.
00:17:37
Speaker
Band is Fall Out Boy, and I think my kids like Fall Out Boy better, so I really have to do something about that. I will say on the flip side, my daughter loves Fall Out Boy. Okay. I think that is a band that is tailor-made for children. Oh, okay. If you're five, man, or six, like those songs really, because he actually does, the lead singer of Fall Out Boy is, does the songs for, not Disney, but yeah, it's Disney.
00:18:04
Speaker
Spidey and His Amazing Friends. It's a children's Spider-Man. And my daughter really liked that. And my wife was like, well, can we at least just transition to the actual Fall Out Boy songs? And she just transitioned straight into that. She's like, these songs are good too. Now I have a five-year-old who wanders around singing the song Centuries at the top of her lungs.
00:18:24
Speaker
But I enjoy Fall Up. I took her to see them last summer. But I'm with you, though. I'm with you. It's interesting, Eric, because I find that for whatever reason, I tend to listen to the crows walking around on headphones. I don't play it very much for her. It's interesting the listening habits and how they kind of shift. I think what she probably hears me put on more is the Grateful Dead in the morning because I was waking up or something. So it's interesting how that kind of
00:18:52
Speaker
And the, and the aspect of car culture, right? The being in the car together. That's why I grew up listening to light FM in New York.
00:18:59
Speaker
And I learned all about the soft rock hits of the 80s. Yeah, that's for the people in the LA area. I think 104.3 about, like, is it my FM or something? That's what I kind of play for my kids in the car. So I'm going to throw in crows a little more. Sabrina, let's stay with you. Now, you told us an interesting fun fact right before we started the podcast is that you attended Berkeley. And it sounded like there, I mean, we know about the Adam connection, but do you want to mention, you know, yeah, please.
00:19:29
Speaker
I remember getting into Berkeley, and I grew up in Orange County. I'm a SoCal girl, never had been there before. And I remember just researching it and looking it up. And then I think my mom or my dad had said, well, you know, Adam Duritz went to Berkeley. And I remember that just felt really good to me. It felt like a safe fact, and it made me feel like, OK, this is a good sign. It really felt like a sign to me.
00:19:56
Speaker
Yeah. And I also was an English major and I know that he was as well. And for me personally, like I love reading, I love books, I love novels, and I can tell that he does because he, like as my mom had said, he writes so poetically and it really feels like it's not just lyrics and it's not just something, it's not just a sound bite, right, for the radio. It's a story and it's something that's
00:20:24
Speaker
has heart and soul. And I think that that is what's missing from a lot of music today. And, you know, in line with that, I remember when I was in high school, we were reading Great Gatsby. And I remember we were listening in the car one time to Mrs. Potter's Lullaby. And I always loved that song because it was just so I mean, every lyric in that song, I think is so, so poignant and so great. But I
00:20:51
Speaker
I ended up writing a paper basically about how Mrs. Potter's Lullaby is like the great Gatsby, and it could be Adam describing Gatsby and his plight for love from Daisy. Is that what was her name, I think? And I think he says something like, you know, I dream I was always the host of these parties, but I never knew anyone there.
00:21:21
Speaker
he's kind of lonesome and melancholy, but he's pining for something. And it just made me feel, I made the connection with the book and it was great. Oh, that's great. Chris, you might have something to add. I definitely, and I was not an English major, but I do know that Adam, it wasn't just the major. He's very well read with
00:21:43
Speaker
poetry and music and books. Yeah. No. It's also really interesting because at the time of his life, that would line up with like, he's still living in LA and probably throwing a lot of parties with people who, because he's got the big house, right? The movie that came out with that was sort of roughly true. Why can I think of the name of it? That was based on, that his friends wrote. It's going to bother me.
00:22:11
Speaker
But that's basically right that he's throwing all these parties and he's, yeah, maybe sort of feeling Gatsby-esque and sort of pulling those sort of images to help like pull through that, that feeling of what he's trying to just writing about a girl who's, you know, we know who she is, but you know, like that's, it's kind of, you know, thinking about her as that sort of heroine for him. Yeah.
00:22:36
Speaker
Sidra, I know you attend college now. It is not Berkeley, but you told me in the pre-interview that you are a music major or have music talent or something along those lines. Do you want to talk about that a bit and you're tied to the crows that way? Sure, yeah. I don't actually study music in college. I'm studying math and economics, so very opposite of that. But yeah, music is my passion. I grew up
00:23:06
Speaker
playing piano, guitar, singing, literally since I came out of the womb. So yeah, for me, I've always appreciated really good musicianship, having that musical ear.
00:23:20
Speaker
you know, being classically jazz trained all of these different genres. And so, Counting Crows, I think, for me, like, there's no other music that I've heard that's like it. Like, that's what I think makes it so special and so unique is that I literally can't point to another band or artist that does anything similar. And I think that that's amazing. And kind of like we mentioned, just the quality of the lyrics. I mean, personally, I love lyrics too,
00:23:47
Speaker
But for me, I love the melodies a lot and like the feeling that a song gives me. So I'll kind of, you know, talk about that side of Counting Crows. Obviously, the lyrics are amazing. But for me, I think it was like the melodies that I kind of, you know, remember. Yeah. That stick out to me more. So, yeah, I think just being a musician kind of gave me a greater appreciation for the work that they produce.
00:24:15
Speaker
Yeah, don't discount the tide of math. I know that Charlie is a bit of a mathematician and he plays the piano. And so it all it does. I had no idea. That's so cool. Chris, I'm getting I should save this at the end, but I'm getting more optimistic about the about the younger generation as we're as we're moving along with this. So, as soon as you by the way, I'm just getting more impressed by your parenting ability, the more I talk to your daughters.
Family's Growing Passion for Counting Crows
00:24:43
Speaker
Thank you.
00:24:44
Speaker
You know, I mean, they're doing great in school and stuff, but of course I'm more impressed with the Counting Crows, you know, than their excellent academic achievements. So I have a couple of questions, but one of them is the elephant in the room or not in the room, which is that when I met the three of you following a little bit behind, not wearing a Counting Crows shirt would be your husband. Yes.
00:25:08
Speaker
So can you talk about when he knew, did he know in the beginning, and I don't know how old you were when you started dating, you know, feel comfortable sharing whatever you like, but when he knew you were being a Crows fan, because sometimes that's funny, right? When you're dating, it's like, Oh, I like them. Oh, that's kind of cute. Oh, that's one of their five favorite songs. And then you realize a couple of years later, I'm like, Oh, they really like them. And then it's like an obsession. Then all of a sudden you're raising your kids on it. So, uh, do you want to talk about how your husband fits into your personal account and Crow store?
00:25:37
Speaker
Sure, sure. Okay, so my husband Brian. So I've been obviously I've been listening to the crows since I met him. When we were first dating, you know, like I said, you know, I was Anna and Anna begins and I'm like, Oh, you just need to love me. Just believe me. This is going to happen. Yeah, no, no, I've done this before. I don't need all this. It's, it's all good. You know,
00:26:05
Speaker
just throughout our relationship, again, like with the girls, I've always listened to them. It's always been on. He would sing, I think, along without really understanding what he was singing. And then I don't remember when it was, but I do remember it was Mrs. Potter's lullaby. And he really stopped and listened. And he was like,
00:26:28
Speaker
This is like, these are some of the best lyrics I've ever heard. Cause I think with him, he was always listening to music, but just kind of, you know, the music and the guitars and the back and the drums, but not really understanding. And he finally was like, one day like, that's an amazing song. And I'm like, yes, this is what I've been trying to tell you. But he's been in the mix with me the entire way.
00:26:55
Speaker
Okay. I mean, some people like music, but they don't get like, I don't want to say obsessed, but they don't get into, into one band. They dislike music. Um, so he, he might, he might be like that. One question I had is, well, did he, did he go to concerts with you when you went to some of the early ones or did you go with some of your girlfriends or did you go? No, he always went with me. Okay. So he's been to a hundred percent because, you know, I mean, at the concerts, here's the beauty of it.
00:27:25
Speaker
It's poetry. You never get the same experience twice. It's always different. And I remember we went, the four of us went to, I think two years ago it was here in Orange County, we saw them and I remember there was a group of people behind us and Adam was singing Mr. Jones
00:27:53
Speaker
And not the way it's recorded, obviously. He always sings it differently, right? And so these people behind us were so loud and so upset that it wasn't the way it is on the radio. And so we were all just kind of looking at each other like, no, we don't want it to be the way it is on the radio. We want to hear the poetry.
00:28:17
Speaker
And so I just, I just always, I remember that and I always think it's interesting cause I'm like, I'm not here. I don't want just a cookie cutter, like the same show you're, you're performing every time you're out. It's always different. You always get something new. You always leave with a new feeling and that's what I love. Those I find are always the weirdest people to me. I'm like, I don't understand why you came to a concert. The record is right there.
00:28:45
Speaker
you know, I'll deal with a lot of, like I'll disagree with people about a lot of things and be able to be friends. I don't know if I could be friends with someone who was like, it just, it should sound exactly the same, like the record. I'm like, no, what's the point? Why would you do that? Especially, and again, and it's the complaint you hear all the time at Crow shows, like walking out, as I can remember a few times being like, they didn't even play Mr. Jones. And it's like,
00:29:09
Speaker
Dude, like there's, you know, we've got the internet. You know that like you can look at set lists. Like, cause I will do that. Like if I'm going to see a band that I don't normally see, I will take a look at the set list and go like, Oh, I wonder what do they play the songs that I know? Do they play a lot of them? Do they, I'm curious. And so it's always funny to me of people who are like just stunned to just walk in. Like, of course they're, no, they might not. And they played it basically every night for the last three years or so, but there were a lot of stretches where they would not play it every night.
00:29:37
Speaker
And I definitely hear people walking out going like, you know, why'd they do that? Like, well, they had other songs to play that night. Sorry. Yeah. Reminding me of my, I guess I want to say second girlfriend that in some ways she was trying to, she knew I liked the crows a lot and she was trying to.
00:29:53
Speaker
I guess not relayed, but trying to, oh, I know you like them and trying to be nice about it, I guess. But she did make two negative crows comments. One I'll talk about later had to do with Across the Wire. But the first one had to be that I saw that I like August as an album, but I saw them in concert and they didn't play it the same way. So that was the one of the worst concerts I went to. And I knew then that that relationship was going to be quickly ended. I wasn't going to worry. Because it's what you said. It's not just about the crows. It's about that she just kind of wanted this cookie cutter thing and not
00:30:23
Speaker
And that's always good, right? I mean, there are nights you go, you're listening like, that wasn't the best. Don't really like what Adam did with that one. But that's, you know, that's, that's the whole point, right? Is that if you're not going to have the amazing special nights, if you don't have the nights that are, Oh, okay. He was trying, especially the show we were listening to, I think it was the end of like hard candy. And I was like, listen, like he didn't really hit that. That's okay. That didn't really work onto the next one. You know,
00:30:51
Speaker
A lot of other versions of Hard Candy out there, you know, there's, it'll be okay. Well, he also surprised us in this last concert in LA. He, I think he was playing long December and then he switched into a cover of Taylor Swift's The One. And my sister, I love that song. And so it was a weird.
00:31:13
Speaker
clash of worlds for me because he usually surprises us with new lyrics to Mr. Jones or Rain King or new melodies as we know and we love and expect when we go to his concerts. But this cover was a totally new surprise and it was so awesome for me. And I love that they're doing that because I don't remember them doing these kinds of covers even like 10 years ago.
00:31:41
Speaker
And so this is great. So you did not know ahead of time that he was going to do that, right? I had no idea. I was shocked. I was like, I think I know this song.
00:31:51
Speaker
Because there's people whose job it is to know this stuff like Chris and I, he started that like about three nights before and then every night just right before, but we kind of knew at that stage. But I love that you didn't know and that made it so much. And by the way, I think it's an incredible cover. It kind of reminds me of the Christmas song you just did too, right? Just him at the piano and he makes it even more melancholy than this.
00:32:17
Speaker
So, Sidra, you felt like you like Taylor Swift, and so that was like a mashup dream come true, I guess. Oh, yeah. And like, I don't know if Adam, you know, did it intentionally for like the younger audience, but it's almost like he's kind of bridging that gap. And it's like, oh, like Taylor Swift, you know, it's something that is something that like more of my generation kind of listens to. So I think that was cool that he brought that together.
00:32:43
Speaker
Yeah, I think we might have mentioned this on the podcast, but I think he kind of went on record. Part of it was that he saw, I guess he always respected her, but saw her in concert earlier this year or earlier last year and just thought it was one of the best concerts he's been to in a while and thought her talent was so good. And I think after that, Chris, you correct me, is that maybe he was just thinking, which of these could I cover in that one fit? Yeah. Well, in that record, I mean, that kind of makes sense for him to really kind of take that song. It wasn't as big a leap as some of the other ones.
00:33:14
Speaker
It'd be interesting to see Adam break down a few more Taylor Swift songs. Zubia, do you remember, now you said your husband went to every show with you, but you obviously did not bring your daughters to every show, because I'm guessing some of those shows, they might not have existed yet or existed in a very, so do you know when that started, when you started bringing either one of your daughters and how old they were and what did
Concert Memories
00:33:40
Speaker
you decide? Yeah. Yeah, why you did it.
00:33:44
Speaker
I think it was the Concord Show because for a little bit, we've always been in Orange County, but for a little bit, we moved up to the Bay Area, and Sabrina was at Berkeley at that time, and so we went to the Concord Show in 2015, and I think, Sidra, you were 12, and Sabrina was 19.
00:34:05
Speaker
And so we ended up going to that show. I think that was the first time we all went together to see Counting Crows. Or no, there was a year before that out here in Orange County that we saw them at the Orange County Fair. So Citra, how was that like going to a concert when you were either 12 or 11 or 10? Did you remember it now? Did that seem like you were too young in retrospect or was that a perfect age or tell me about this?
00:34:34
Speaker
Yeah, I think at that age, I like I don't remember that concert specifically. But I mean, I do remember like the feeling and just kind of being in awe. And that was also the first time that I saw like the way that they change up, you know, the way they perform it from the record. So I think that was like my first experience with that. And they think it was like different for me at first. But then I grew to love that every time I went to see them.
00:35:04
Speaker
All right, Sabrina, I'll get your take. And that I'm guessing because you were 19, you could appreciate it. And you that might have been appreciate it. And that might have been one of your first missed out because you went with your family too, right? Yeah, yeah. And for me, actually, personally, I've always gone to concerts with my dad. He's always been my concert buddy. So I think we've seen many artists starting from when I was in high school earlier in high school, but
00:35:34
Speaker
kind of having, we now have this tradition of going to see Counting Crows together, which is so awesome. And I love live music. I'm not a musician like my sister, but I totally appreciate it. And I love watching it and soaking it in. And I just feel like you can feel Adam's feelings when he's singing the songs and you can feel the fun that they're having.
00:35:59
Speaker
I think I'm forgetting which song, but you know how he says like, Hey, Charlie. Like we love that. We like, we love Charlie too. Like, I knew that there were Charlie groupies. I don't know if you listened to the troubadour show, but I could, I kind of had two chances to talk to him more. But the only thing I really got to say to him that I said, you're really like the MVP behind the band. And I think it was his wife who said, yeah, we think so too. Her with their friend.
00:36:23
Speaker
I wanted to say like there are Charlie fans out there and maybe hopefully I'll get a chance to tell him again. We love Charlie. He's great.
00:36:30
Speaker
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00:36:56
Speaker
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00:37:42
Speaker
And now back to the vodka. Now, I do. Let's this is a great segue, Chris, to talk about the actual show. And they can just chime in about their memories. Now, this was in the show they're talking about for those that want to look it up or, you know, it's available on nugs. And Chris, I think you said it might be on crosstown somebody. If not, it's definitely. Oh, it's not on crosstown. It's not on crosstown. Yeah, it's only on it's only on nugs.
00:38:07
Speaker
With that, but once that, once the, uh, everything started going up on nugs, I feel like the taping sort of really trickled to a kind of a halt. So that's the era where you start to see way less tapes because the band was putting out the tape basically every night. And so, uh, and I mean, I think the taping in general was tapering off at that period as well, but.
00:38:28
Speaker
Yeah, it's on nugs as the as is like basically the entire 2015 tour. You can go through every night of it if that's if that's your your jam. So this is from September 20th, 2015 in Concord, which I had to look up its nearest. It's actually closer to Sacramento, right? Yeah, it's like it's.
00:38:50
Speaker
Yeah, in that area, in that general business. I think officially it's closer to Sacre, or maybe it's their local pavilion or whatever. Is there anything in Concord, or is it just one of those towns where you're like, there's an amphitheater there? It's a small town. It's a small town. You're not doing it. I mean, people live there, but you know.
00:39:15
Speaker
I hear someone live, but it's like in the New York area, right? Like a PNC Bank Art Center. It's in the Holmdel, New Jersey, which I cannot tell you anything else about Holmdel, New Jersey. The PNC Bank Art Center is located there. That's about my total knowledge of that place. Although officially I'm looking at Concord officially as over 100,000, which kind of surprises me. But, uh, so this, so, so, so more than anything, they played. Somewhere under wonderland six songs from the 10 song LP.
00:39:44
Speaker
We could talk about some of the songs. I don't know if any of you had a chance to listen to it after you went, or was there any particular memories of the songs that they played? Zuby, I'll start with you. So, I mean, it was quite a while ago. So, I mean, I did listen to the file you sent. I listened to it, and I was telling the girls today that if you don't know the Crows and you're just listening to this, it sounds very country.
00:40:14
Speaker
But some of the album is, yeah. And some of that album is a little more, um, all country. I would say, yeah. And that's maybe why. Yeah. And I know that it must've been the end of some part of his, um, some part of the leg of the tour, because I know at the end he does say like, you know, we have like a week off now and I'm about to fall. Like I need a break. And you can tell that kind of in his voice on the recording,
00:40:41
Speaker
But I mean, it was amazing. Like I listened to it and I just thought, you know, he sounded great. And I think the songs are just, again, like he sang, you know, some of the, you know, what more well-known hits and then he sang some, a cover too. And I really liked it. I thought it was a great show.
00:41:03
Speaker
Sidra, any memories of that, I know you say you don't remember a lot, but I don't know if you got to hear any of it later or yeah, or you can talk about how it, whatever, more recent shows if you wanted to also. I know, I really wish I remembered. I don't honestly, I don't even remember things from my freshman year of college. It's so crazy. But yeah, I mean, I do remember the most recent show that we went to, which is Where We Met You.
00:41:31
Speaker
And just like, I think that was the show that I appreciated the most obviously because I'm older and like I remember everything and I know the songs the best. And it's also like really fun to hear some new songs. Like I don't know the names off the top of my head, but to just hear like, you know, they're more like recent songs to hear how the style like changes or how it's similar to their older stuff. So yeah. Sabrina, any memories from that particular show in Concord?
00:42:01
Speaker
So I think as you mentioned in that show, they played a lot of Somewhere Under Wonderland.
00:42:06
Speaker
And I hadn't really, at that time, I hadn't really listened to that album. So it was a lot of new songs for me, but I remember it got me, they played Possibility Days, right? And it really got me into that song. So I remember going home and looking it up and I still listened to it to this day. And I think that's fun because I like hearing their new stuff, even if I don't seek it out because I just love the old stuff more. But when they do play it in person or live, it gets me
00:42:36
Speaker
liking it and then into it and so that's always really exciting too because it's something new from something old and familiar to me.
00:42:45
Speaker
Chris, did you have any, I have some thoughts. Did you have any thoughts of that particular show? A few. I thought it was quite good actually. So I, even if you don't have any particular memories, listening to it, I was like, whoa, I thought General Adam did a fantastic job. I mean, they just, they sounded great. So I could, even if sometimes you don't have particular memories, you're just like, I know they were great the whole time. And that is definitely true when I listened back to it. Yeah, I think there's something good there. The one thing I will say about the way they play a lot of the Somewhere Under Wonderland material
00:43:14
Speaker
Do you wish they've spent more time rearranging that? I think it's something that's been lost with them a little bit over the last. And just hearing this going back, he's just like, oh yeah, these are all good songs. But the arrangements haven't strayed too far. And I've always wondered why that is, whether it's Adam feels more strongly about the arrangements nowadays and the old arrangements, where he was like, ah, let's toss them out and start fresh. Or if it's just the way they approach shows now or whatnot.
00:43:42
Speaker
That is one of the things I know, because the songs, I think all the Summer Wonderland songs, they played, I love that they played John Appleseed, which actually I think is a really great one that they played a little bit less. And I think is a kind of a cool, especially because that song kind of builds on the stories of like, you know, Maria and all these other things from the past. And it sort of pulls through these stories that, you know, are at that point, you know, 20 plus years old.
00:44:09
Speaker
Yeah, Chris, do you think some of it is that like, I don't want to use the word transgressive, right? But if everybody in the world knows Mr. Jones, then you can be a little transgressive. Like, oh, they know how it's really played, but I'll just play it a little different. But how many people know Elvis went to Hollywood? Right. And if you played an alternative version of that, maybe people won't. But I think you're right. I'd like to hear some of the quote unquote more recent songs played up a little different. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it puts more of less pressure on like, you know, in the sense of like,
00:44:38
Speaker
The feeling the need to rearrange mr. Jones because he's getting sick of it in 1994 1995 is maybe he's maybe Does doesn't feel the same way about Elvis went to Hollywood, you know, no one's forcing him to play Elvis went to Hollywood So he's okay. Just playing it. So basically the way it you know was sort of written and arranged for the record How about you anything any songs in the youth stuck out Eric? I
00:45:01
Speaker
All of these, some were under Wonderland. And then I was getting a little, I saw them once on this tour. It was on 2014. They kind of did a brief Midwest tour before the major one in 2015. I think on the tour I was on, there was only 10 stops or something. But I was getting nostalgic because this was their last full studio album of new material.
00:45:23
Speaker
And so, and I think he was excited to play some of these songs. Of course they've had the EP, some of these songs live. And he did it with Butter Miracle too, but when he goes on these tours, and I think, because he, I know that this record more than any he thought was the most underappreciated. But I thought the, I think he steps it up. I mean, it all sounded great, but the way he sings the Somewhere in the Wonderland songs, and the band was almost perfect, because I think they,
00:45:50
Speaker
he was so proud of them. And by the way, if you like, I will say to Sidra and Sabrina, if you love Charlie, I'll say this when we get to those albums later, but either the way they mixed it or
00:46:07
Speaker
Maybe he is adding more things, but in both Somewhere Under Wonderland and The Underwater Sunshine, the cover album, I think Charlie shines more than any albums in their whole catalog. Those two albums, which might be to their least popular, just listen for the piano. And I think it's his best work if you're just focused on the piano. So go back and
00:46:30
Speaker
Even like ooh la la which is one of their simplest songs and even actually he mentions Charlie entities Take it away Charlie or something, but he does amazing piano in that song. So we got a list of those two and just listen to her piano listen it with a good either headphones or In the car or whatever, but I think you'll I think you'll be writing me a thank you postcard later if you're a Charlie fan
00:46:55
Speaker
Chris, Chris, any other? Well, I will say what's interesting about the about that, though, interesting talking about Charlie is what I thought the more interesting things is that Dan Eisenberg, who I think would play with the band a few times. I know he was the sub for Charlie and Charlie briefly took a hiatus at the end of one of the tours because his daughter was born. He plays in organs. He joins him at the end, but like is very audible. There's like an organ solo on
00:47:22
Speaker
Rain King that is really, really cool. And it's like an organ solo and then he and Charlie kind of play off each other, which is actually one of the, I had, for a Rain King without an alt, which is not something I generally like, I was like, oh, this is super cool. So that's, if you're looking for like one song, someone like listeners to like check out from this, I would, I would go to the Rain King and like kind of listen for the organ solo. Cause that's pretty unique and not something you would hear on anything from the rest of this tour that I recall at least.
00:47:52
Speaker
You having me re-listen to this actually is the song like Teenage Gravity, which we'll talk to later when we do Underwater Sunshine. But anyway, I really loved that song and listening to that made me... I even plugged it on a Reddit thread, but it was partly because I was re-listening to this.
00:48:11
Speaker
What do you love about that song, Eric? I love that song too. It's very crows-y. If I can make it great, I might as well... Well, I don't want to give it away now, but I will. But I almost think in some ways the...
00:48:28
Speaker
I just thought of this the other day, Chris, that it almost felt like a follow-up to Mr. Jones a little bit, lyrics-wise, because it's about looking at girls in the bar and thinking about love and this kind of, but where Mr. Jones is melancholy but upbeat, this one is melancholy but very slow and depressing. I don't know, just something, even I know Adam didn't write it, it was Casey Anderson. It just sounds very cozy to me.
00:48:55
Speaker
I actually remember that song and I don't I'm not sure if they played it at that. That must have been the first time I heard it. And I felt the same way. I really like that song as well. And I forget about it. But it's really good. It's I feel like it's a like a hidden gem.
00:49:15
Speaker
I do. I think it's a song that makes me think of falling in love with my wife. So I'm always in for that song. It's a beautiful... I don't know. It's about feeling those feelings and kind of showing your hand.
00:49:27
Speaker
and those moments. Oh, now you're trying to... Look, Chris, now look at the support you're getting from the room now. Now I gotta bring up one of my rubbers. They're like, oh, that's so sweet. Now I need that. It is. Well, it's interesting. I was thinking about that a lot in the show because they also, it's that play that version of Sullivan Street with the I belong where you belong, which I think is, again, one of the more romantic sentiments
00:49:49
Speaker
in a very kind of sad song. You know how I feel strongly about certain versions of Sullivan Street, Eric, and that one is on the high side of, I love, I think that alt is one of their absolute sort of bests, and I really love, because they started playing that in 2012 when I was falling in love with my wife, and those versions where they really started that, and I love that as an opener. I think Sullivan Street, since they came back in like 2012, has been one of their best openers, just the way they play that.
00:50:19
Speaker
I agree. I thought that was amazing with the, um, I belong, you belong in the middle. I mean, that song, I mean, I guess we'll talk about it, um, when we go over our top five songs, but, um, I thought that was amazing. And I love that it, that it was the opener of that show. And I have to say, as far as a closer, the holiday in Spain.
00:50:43
Speaker
I mean, I love that they try to do it every time. They missed it in 2022. We didn't get that here in Orange County. And I feel like something happened. I think someone ran up on stage at one point and hugged him towards the end. And I don't know if that, I don't know if that was the reason if he was planning on, if they were planning on doing holiday in Spain, but they didn't because this happened and someone came up and just grabbed him and it kind of just ended there. And I was just like,
00:51:16
Speaker
But going back to my husband, that's another one of his favorite songs. And we actually took a holiday in Spain back in October because of the song. We're like, we got to go. We got to say we did this.
00:51:32
Speaker
You're the only other, I did that too last fall. I took a holiday in Spain because of the song as well, but I was in Europe, so it wasn't as far, but yeah, I was reading that some other, I think that's a real select group. That's probably only about 30 or 40, especially Americans. There might be some Europeans, of course, that's a quick ride for them, but yeah, Chris, see, now I'm trying to one-up you with the all or say, right, I don't have the love.
00:51:59
Speaker
See, my my wife's song is Coldplay's, What is it? Lover's in Japan, which because we met in Japan and they met and actually that song is based in Osaka and we were in Osaka at the time. So we got like a good. Wow. Yeah, the one more. You know, it's interesting just when you're talking about the nostalgia feeling, Sabrina, is I don't know if you like also like God's Emotion tides.
00:52:24
Speaker
But they have that. You know, I do like that one, but I don't I don't listen to it as much. And I think I need it's just maybe gets lost in all of the other songs that I love to listen to. But I want to revisit it and I'm glad that you mentioned it. There's a great line in there that kind of again is typical Adam.
00:52:41
Speaker
nostalgic but melancholy where he talks about right the birthday because you make me think of it because you're a family and you have this like family feeling of nostalgia in the past and there's this line about like it's something with like we write the candle wax on paper plates with the like you know about like birthdays growing up and and then yeah chris uh you know what i'm talking about right
00:53:03
Speaker
Yeah, on paper plates. But anyway, that line always kind of hurts me a little bit and makes me think back to my childhood and everything. By the way, did you guys share with each other your top five?
Top Counting Crows Songs
00:53:20
Speaker
No. Good. So 24 hours ago, we asked these three young women in no particular order, but what are their five
00:53:32
Speaker
Generally favorite kind of crows. It doesn't have to be exact songs and And we're just kind of curious if there was a generational divide or a sibling divide or if they're all kind of on the same page So who wants I'm gonna start with Sidra. Let's let's start with you
00:53:47
Speaker
Okay, I'm excited. And I think my mom and my sister are also like eager because I don't like, I think out of the three of us, I've like, they love Counting Crows and I also love them. But you know, they just have more of that passion. So I don't even think they know like, what my favorites are. I didn't know. Yeah, I didn't really know what mine were either before I was going through all the songs. But here are my here's my list. So long December. Anna begins.
00:54:16
Speaker
American girls ranking and round here with an honorable mention of the yellow taxi. It's covered. Great. All right. So Chris, I probably have some take, but Chris, let's get your take on that. Well, I think it's interesting that leans on maybe because of mom planes, leans on a lot of the songs from the first record, interestingly.
00:54:40
Speaker
Yes, The Round Here, Anna Begins and Rain King. And then Long December, which of course a lot of both casual and hardcore for gross fans think is their best song along with Round Here and Rain King. And then Big Yellow Taxi in some ways would be not surprising I think because of what some people would say that was more of like a poppy song or for like at the time people thought it was for like a younger generation. I think the more interesting one to talk about Chris is American Girl.
00:55:07
Speaker
Because I think, especially, we haven't talked about that album yet, but, and I didn't remember that history until recently, but the original version of American Girls wasn't that poppy. And then when they record, because I've heard a bootleg of it, but when they actually had the recording of it, and that ended up being their single, and people thought that that was in a co-commercial.
00:55:27
Speaker
in a diet co-commercial, I think it was. Oh, really? Yeah, you can Google it. I mean, you can look it up on YouTube, Diet Coke, Ken and Crows, and American Girls is playing in the background.
00:55:39
Speaker
How did you get exposure to that song? Was it just listening to Hard Candy? How old you would have been when that was released? That was 20 years ago, so you would have not been so old. Again, this is all just what was played for me. When I was going back through
00:56:03
Speaker
you know, like Counting Crow's Spotify and kind of going through the songs to make my list. I just knew immediately from like the moment I pressed play, okay, this is one that like, I just know, even if I don't know like the name of it off the top of my head, it's just something that I associate.
00:56:17
Speaker
So, yeah, I think American Girls was also in the rotation in the car. And I just love, like, I guess that poppy, like, upbeat melodic aspect of the song. So, yeah, it just makes me feel good. Well, that's what he was trying to do, right? Chris, he was trying to be positive and upbeat with that song, I think. And, you know, at least it wasn't.
00:56:40
Speaker
Musically, at least yeah, at least his version of being upbeat. It wasn't like you can't count on me where it sounds upbeat But he's like don't get on me. Don't don't me at all. But um, did you know for example? Since you weren't around when it was released Were you weren't around that? Did you know that that was like the first single and did you watch you ever watch like the video? I mean that was one of their last real videos American girl. I
00:57:05
Speaker
Oh, I had no idea. Honestly, I didn't know it was in the commercial or a single, but I feel like it makes sense because also Cheryl Crowe's like doing the backing vocal. So yeah. So how did you know that? When I was listening to it again today, I just
00:57:23
Speaker
Okay, okay, see yeah, that's interesting, but but yeah that right would you say that's what it was that one of the last videos that in big yellow taxi were maybe one of the last that they were all together in the video I think I think we said that
00:57:36
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Because you can't count on me. I can't remember the videos at this point. So the videos have totally escaped me. So yeah, I think I think that in Big Yellow Taxi were the last two where the whole band was together in a music video. So you might want to look that up. OK, great. Sabrina, let's hear your top five. I'm very excited. So you are the same. Anna begins long December holiday in Spain. And then I have time and time again.
00:58:06
Speaker
and Raining in Baltimore. You're just trying to get points off Chris who loves Time and Time Again. Raining in Baltimore is a better song in Time and Time Again. I had that higher. I think Eric, we did that list. But Raining in Baltimore is a spectacular song. If you put that with Rain King, that's one of the best. Right. It's so hard to pick just five, honestly, because Mrs. Potter's lullaby is up there too.
00:58:32
Speaker
Yeah, rating in Baltimore, I think for me, was maybe less played like with the family. But I personally really like it. And whenever I turn to it, I mean, it's such a sad song. It is so sad and tragic. And you can feel like he's almost crying in it. But I just love it. And it feels so good.
00:58:55
Speaker
And that's really, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, Chris, but that's almost like the, not the preface, but not the prelude, but almost like the first view of just basically him in the piano, which we just saw in the one cover and the Christmas song, right? It's that. I mean, that's the only song in that first record that is like that. That's a good point. It's just, it's more stripped down and it's just him and
00:59:23
Speaker
the piano and just whatever he's singing. And there's a lot of like, I want to say more silence in the song too, just because of it's just what he's saying and then maybe what he's playing, but there's no extra background instruments. Right. And I think that that adds like, you know, there's silence always says something too. So it adds just another
00:59:52
Speaker
Yeah, that's a great point. I just thought my head I'm thinking, oh, like, where you should be no one's around. And then I think there's a couple seconds of silence before he plays the piano again. And you're absolutely right. Very powerful. And so holiday in Spain, did you know mostly from I guess the car because they play it a lot in concert or both or both?
01:00:10
Speaker
Definitely both. That's a family favorite for sure. Chris, I can't think of any. Actually, I think those two. If you think of Anna Begins and maybe even more Holiday in Spain because it became a single, those to me are the two singles that were never really singles. Everybody knows them. They're fan favorites. Holiday in Spain, I guess, was official single in Europe, but not really in the US. Anna Begins is similar to that.
01:00:38
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah. And it's one of the songs that I think is sort of there. It's interesting when you get to a certain stage of the band's career where you have those songs that are not singles, but are there to basically accept it as like, you know, if you're a fan, you know, they've been loved them a little bit too. And it's something, you know, and even the casual and Sabrina, before we move on and I'll get an acid, what overall is your favorite album by them? Definitely August and everything after. Okay. I have a Sidra. Yeah.
01:01:09
Speaker
I would agree. Yeah. Okay. Great. Yeah. All right, Zuvia, let's see how you compare and contrast to your daughters. It was really, really hard for me to narrow down. You know, does music taste genetic or socially learned? Let's find out. I hope to say it was really hard. But I think the August and Everything After has a lot of meaning for us and just because of like where I was at my life at that time. But
01:01:36
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So yeah, I think, and not just because of the name of the podcast, but I think Sullivan Street, I just love that song so much. It's when he says something, when he says like, I'm almost drowning. She's nearly falling. I'm not drowning. I can let go and turn around and leave. So it's like that
01:02:03
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that little bit of that word that changes, like, yeah, it could be this could be everything, but it's not. It's almost I'm almost there, but I'm really not like, I don't know just those that play on those words. It really
01:02:18
Speaker
It really affects the song and the feeling and the emotion for me, so I really like Sullivan Street. I'm going to stop you there just in a good way, but Kazooie, I just thought that was fantastic. Partly because the podcast is named after it, but we've talked about Sullivan Street quite a bit. We had four of us review August and talked about the lyrics to Sullivan Street.
01:02:39
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but no one kind of either brought up or caught that little detail. And you are absolutely right. And that's, and it ties into what Sabrina said about the English major and him kind of, it's so purposeful. And your daughter Isidra was giving you a smile the whole time, because I think she also appreciated your observation. So. Yeah. So I just, I just love that. I'm almost drowning. I'm not really, but I could.
01:03:07
Speaker
Omaha, I love that song. Should have bought the shirt at the last concert. I didn't. Oh, yeah. Don't put it online at some point. Yeah. To me, that song just when he's like, drop a line, you know, if you're going to walk on water, drop a line my way, and then it changes to, you know, you're actually walking all over me, like it just just the progression of the feeling and the thought. So it just
01:03:36
Speaker
That one, I think for more upbeat, if I were to say hanging around, I like that song a lot. It's just fun. I like the clapping. I like the melody, the beat of it. Goodnight Elizabeth. I like that song. It kind of reminds me of the lyrics a little bit or the feeling reminds me a little bit of pictures of you by the cure. I know they're different, but just that feeling, the subject.
01:04:06
Speaker
matter. Chris, you're loving this, right? Because that's also one of Chris's favorite. Elizabeth is best, yes. Yeah. Perfect Blue Buildings. Oh. I'm surprised that you didn't have Anna on your list. I know. I do love that song, but like I said, it was very difficult, but
01:04:31
Speaker
I don't know. The more I listen, the more these songs meant more to me. You write something about the transition periods in your life. When you were younger, and now that you've imparted this to your daughters as they are younger, at the age when you were listening to these records, Anna Begins means exactly. Right.
01:04:52
Speaker
Right. I mean, it was very, it was very hard to come up with a list of just, I don't know how many I gave you, five or six, but it was really difficult. I love that list. No, you're right. I'm also surprised. Sorry, I was gonna say I'm also surprised Mr. Jones wasn't on. Well, Mr. Jones, I mean, Mr. Jones, like, that's just classic, right? It's a given. It's a given. That to me, that song is just, no matter where I am, what I'm doing, it makes me feel good.
01:05:22
Speaker
It just makes you feel like everything's gonna be okay, things are all right. Yeah, I mean, that's just a classic. It's just such a good feeling, that song. But that's the more obvious one. So most people know them for that. But a lot of these other songs, I mean, they're worth knowing.
01:05:47
Speaker
You're right. You're right, Chris. In some ways, the Azubias list was not a surprise because it had a lot of August songs, but I actually thought Anna was going to be the one common thread between. So there was actually no repeats, right? Nobody. Yeah, none of them. You had all unique five Azubias for years. So cool. Yeah. But I'm just looking forward to the next concert, wherever that is. I, you know,
01:06:13
Speaker
Whenever it is, I hope we get to see you again, Eric. If you're in the area, Chris, get to meet you. I'm going to be there and see a show with Eric. I haven't seen them on the West Coast. Actually, I think since I was looking at the rest of the shows around the one that we listened to, and I realized I was at the show the night before this because I was helping a friend at a music festival called Kabu in Delmar that the Crows played at.
01:06:40
Speaker
I saw them right before this. That was also a good show. Although speaking of like playing tricks and memories, I was like, ah, what could I listen to from this? I was like, oh, listen to ranking. Wasn't it a really great version with like someone to watch over me? And I was like, nope, it's actually it's Lippy Kids. I like went to the middle. I was like, nope, totally misremembered what that was. I don't know when I saw them play that one. But yeah, so mines plays tricks on you.
01:07:06
Speaker
But yeah, that was, yeah, they were playing well that weekend. It's always weird to see the crows at a festival. Cause it's not like, I feel like that energy, well, an American festival, we've talked at great length about how beautiful it looks at pink pop in the Netherlands. But yeah, just that sort of sense of the, you know, the, what lifts them and the sort of crowd interaction. Kabu also is a very weird festival where they were starting to do, they were kind of early on doing the like tears where there's like the, you know,
01:07:36
Speaker
people who paid the normal price and then weird VIP sections and things and just kind of being they were early on that thing, which I think always kind of plays with the vibe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I got to get back to the West Coast. Yeah. A really good ranking version popped up on my Spotify. It's the live at Chelsea Studios. Have you guys heard that one? Yeah. From from Crossawire, right? Yes. Yeah.
01:08:04
Speaker
Oh my God, that one is amazing. So I think to me, like that's the best, some of the best stuff is when he's not following, you know, he's just reciting the poetry and a lot of like some of the, a lot of times around here, he'll do like, you know, five minute versions, seven minute versions where he's just, he just seems like he's in his own space and just feeling that energy and the words, that's just amazing.
01:08:34
Speaker
It's amazing. Well, this has been great. Thank you so much, and I will get some final thoughts. But Chris, one thing, and we've done this with the 14th episode, one thing I like, besides co-hosting with you, Chris, I appreciate you as a co-host. I like hearing how different songs
01:08:53
Speaker
give, sorry, how the same songs give different fans the same feeling for different reasons, right? Like that certainly, right? Like this line really hits them and this line hits them, but it still gives you that, still gives fans the same, you know, passion and love for some of the songs. So Citra, do you have any closing comments at all? Maybe something you didn't get to, you wanted to thank your mom for exposing you to the crows, anything at all, please rattle away. Yeah, I think I would just say like,
01:09:23
Speaker
I hope to love a band or an artist as much as my mom loves Counting Crows, to be just so invested and really unpacking all of the lyrics and the ways that the melodies are created, how it builds up and changes throughout a song. I think I want to pay more attention to that kind of stuff.
01:09:46
Speaker
And just, I think I'm going to start listening to Counting Crows more on my own. Like I don't really listen to them on a daily basis. It's like walking to class. But I think after this podcast, I'm going to do some more of that. So yeah. Great. And thank you so much. You're such a great guest. I appreciate it. Thank you guys too. This has been so fun. Sabrina, any parting comments from you?
01:10:11
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, first, it would have to be a thank you to my mom for making us Counting Crows fans and making it part of our lives. But also, I mean, just to the Counting Crows for putting out such beautiful words and music and
01:10:30
Speaker
just something that can make people feel seen and heard in so many important ways to whatever song people can relate to, whether it's all of them or just one, I think everything they say is so important and it's so soulful and it comes, it means something, it's very meaningful. And I think that we talk a lot about how that's, it can be missing in our day and age of music and
01:10:55
Speaker
It means a lot to me and has, I've grown through my life with their music and I hope to continue to.
01:11:04
Speaker
Great. Thanks so much. Oh, and by the way, there were also, you said you like Mrs. Potters. There's also a music video to that. That was kind of a low budget. It wasn't on MTV. It's just basically, I think they shot it with a handheld camera. It's just him in an apartment, right? Chris, you said you don't remember, but it's kind of like they're supposed to be at that party where they're always, where he's always. Yeah. No, I think everyone's, I think a few of them are in that video or maybe they're on the video. Sorry. I'm just saying it was low, lower budget. And I don't know if it was released.
01:11:31
Speaker
on MTV or anything, I think, if I remember correctly. It certainly wasn't one that got a lot of airplay. Yeah, because I was watching a lot of MTV and VH1 at that at that time in my life. So. How are you around? Had a budget. American girls had a budget sort of big yellow taxi. And yeah, they had big. I'm going to look that up for sure. Zuvia, final comments for you today. No, thank you. Thank you both so much for including in the for including us in this. I mean, it was it was great to just sit and
01:12:00
Speaker
spend the hour talking to you both about, um, something we all love. And, um, you know, like I said, I just hope to continue to, you know, I, I'm waiting for more music from them and hope to continue, you know, seeing them in the future and listening to the music. Great. Chris, final thoughts of the evening. I, I've, Zuby is my parenting goal now. I feel like I've,
01:12:27
Speaker
going to work on that inspiration. And as I said on the podcast before, I don't know if you caught it, but I basically named one of my kids because of Anna Begin. So if she doesn't start liking them soon,
01:12:41
Speaker
There's gonna be, she's one of the fallout. She's only seven. She's one of the big fallout boyfriends. So fans, I mean, so, yeah. Well, there's nothing wrong with sugar. We're going down, but you got to just start playing. That's true. And one of her one of her favorite hobbies is herself or topics in herself. So if I just keep mentioning that Anna's in the song, she'll probably she'll probably pay more attention to it. There you go.
01:13:07
Speaker
Well, thank you, everybody. And so thank you for my special guests. And sometimes we have all sorts of exciting episodes planned in the future, and we hope to do another fan spotlight in the future because this has been great. So we'll see everybody next time down here on Sullivan Street. Thank you. Bye.