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Maniac Mansion
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Ben and Jess talk about the scariest possible game ever made: Maniac Mansion.
Quest Quest podcast is Ben Vigeant and Jess Morrissette.
Editing by Ben Vigeant
Show art by Kevin "WilcoWeb" Wallace
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Transcript
Introduction and Social Media
00:00:30
Speaker
It is Quest Quest. ah That's your adventure game podcast. ah I'm Ben PS underscore Garrick on Twitch and YouTube.
00:00:44
Speaker
Yeah, and I'm Jess. That's Decaf Jedi on YouTube and Twitch. How you doing, Jess? Ben, I am fantastic. Fantastic.
00:00:58
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I am fantastic.
Halloween and Favorite Candies
00:01:01
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We are rushing toward the Halloween season. And you what that means? Are you a Halloween guy? You know, I'm not a dress up guy. Like I don't dress up very often. It's really rare. mean, my last Halloween costume was Wreck-It Ralph a few years ago. And honestly, I just kind of look like Wreck-It Ralph already if I'm wearing a plaid shirt. So that's really barely a costume.
00:01:25
Speaker
uh but what does what wreck it ralph looked like like i saw the movie i saw the first one i didn't see the second one like just google wreck it ralph real quick and imagine me with like my hair spiked up and wearing some uh some overalls and a plaid shirt i mean basically yeah yeah yeah i'm kind of wreck it ralph coded already right sure yeah i mean which is funny because he's a video game character you get it right ah it's pretty droll but uh roll yeah about four out of ten What?
00:01:58
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That's about how droll it was. But you you know, Halloween season means there's Halloween candy in the house.
00:02:09
Speaker
Ben, what is the best Halloween candy? And I'm asking both 10 year old Ben and your current present day, 26 year old Ben.
00:02:23
Speaker
Oh, Wow, you're you're just popping this on me. I know. We didn't discuss this before the pod. In fact, Ben explicitly asked me not to ask him this question. i You know, listen, I think I'm on record, and and this is I think...
00:02:39
Speaker
always true like i i do like like a sour i guess adult ben is gonna always be like sour fruit candy yeah yeah which is why easter like because i'll i'll just eat a shitload of jelly beans gotta eat those jelly beans but when i was a kid but like i liked those two bye um I was a big fan of Crunch and Crackle.
00:03:10
Speaker
Like the two. Crunch and Crackle. but yeah Two separate candy bars that are essentially the same. Chocolate is crumptious when it crunches. That's why I love Nestle Crunch.
00:03:23
Speaker
You know, here's here's a hot take. Are you ready for this? Are you ready for this? Yeah. da da ah da da da Anyway, um my hot take is um Reese's peanut butter cups.
00:03:38
Speaker
Okay. I mean, you know my feelings. You can probably guess that like peanut butter and chocolate is not my jam. I'm not looking for that sweet and salty experience. No, thank you.
00:03:50
Speaker
No, thank you. i i'm I'm perfectly fine with that. My my bigger problem with it is is that I don't like the quality of like the the peanut butter it.
00:04:04
Speaker
It's grainy. Yeah, that dry, flaky, it's like it's from like dehydrated like peanut butter powder. Yeah. it's a It's not very good.
00:04:15
Speaker
and And like my entire life, like I wouldn't kick one out of bed, but it's just like my entire life, I've always been confused by It's like people are like, Reese's peanut butter cups.
00:04:27
Speaker
you As if those are like the grand... That's like considered the gold standard by a lot of people. Like the number two would be like Snickers. And and I enjoy a Snickers.
00:04:39
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Um, when I was a kid, i wasn't a fan of nuts. So I would, so, so Snickers were not my thing. Um, I, would I would, would bias more towards like a Carmelo um,
00:04:55
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or a um a Milky way like, which has more of the nougat. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But, I mean, i like, you know, like,
00:05:12
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i I don't know. Like, I think Crunch and Crackle were probably my number one as a kid because I loved that, like, crunch, like puffed rice texture. rice texture really did it for me.
00:05:26
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you know That was way up there for me, too. Like, I think, you know, Trick or Team, probably a decade before you were, like, the sour candies weren't really now in vogue yet. And they weren't really when I was a kid, either. Yeah. They weren't really.
00:05:39
Speaker
So I was kind of in like an era, like you'd still get things like circus peanuts occasionally. Oh, they those were still very occasionally in rotation. Yeah. Now, and for listeners who don't know what a circus peanut is in this context, it's like an orange fluff candy that doesn't taste anything anything like peanuts. It's like, oh, it's, it lives somewhere between like a marshmallow and a piece of styrofoam.
00:06:07
Speaker
I don't know. They're the worst candy ever. had lot of those, but crackle was way up there. I liked ah Hershey's miniature special dark. They're, they're dark. Oh yeah. I, those, I didn't like dark chocolate as a kid.
00:06:19
Speaker
Mm-hmm. But, uh, like, again, that's like, that was, I'm, I'm impressed that you liked, uh, special, uh, uh, dark as a, as a kid. i was very sophisticated. A lot of people were saying that. Yeah, like dark chocolate, like milk, milk chocolate all the way.
00:06:39
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I mean, if I could get fun dip. Now that's, that's like next level stuff. Oh, fun dip was high up there. Oh yeah. Yeah. It was, was super high up there. The little dipping stick for fun dip.
00:06:51
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I think maybe my favorite candy, just it by itself. Just like chewing on those like chalky little sticks is, uh, is a pleasure in and of itself. I will go on a limb here though, Ben, this is my worst candy opinion. Are you ready for it? We've made it this many episodes before you're about to get my worst candy opinion. All right. I'm ready.
00:07:09
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i love banana runs. That's crazy. i know. I know it is. I love nerds. Like I love nerds. love gobstoppers.
00:07:20
Speaker
Nerds. got Oh, you know, gobstoppers are way up there for me. We got a lot of those when was a kid. Gobstopper, hard to beat. But was like, I was not a rock for gobstoppers as a kid.
00:07:31
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yeah yeah don't know i know lots of people will avoid banana rents at any cost but uh i like rents in general and a banana one that's my favorite banana candy in general like would go right right into the trash like wow uh like banana laffy taffy oh yeah no that's not great i will agree banana laffy taffy is not my favorite Did I ever tell you about ah the ah comedy bit I did for a talent show with Laffy Taffy?
00:08:01
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I don't think so. This is, you know what? This is, i ah this was a bit, I did this for a ah talent show and as a freshman, uh in in college and it killed in my my dorm like the way that uh they had it was it was like the best person in the dorm and then everybody like you know is dorm versus dorm talent show worked really well in the dorm did not play on the big screen it's just a different culture uh was a small dorm anyway my laffy taffy bit
00:08:35
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was uh i would uh walk up and say like oh i'm so sorry everybody i don't i don't have anything uh don't have anything prepared for you so uh like you know i i ran out of time so i just yeah i'm just gonna read you uh these ah these jokes uh on the the back of the the laffy taffy if that's okay And then like, so I'd go up because every Laffy Taffy, if you're familiar, has like, you know, a corny, you know, like when's a door, not a door when it's a jar. Like it's all those. yeah
00:09:06
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Bazooka Joe stuff. Yeah. Bazooka Joe. And joke so I would read one of those jokes and then I would slowly open up the little packet of Laffy Taffy and I'd stick the taffy in my mouth and then.
00:09:17
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I would pull out another wrapper and i read the joke with the taffy in my mouth. And it just went until like, I would just like there's spit. You can't understand a single word. I'm saying this is, this is, I'm going to tell you, this is probably one of my better bits.
00:09:32
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I mean, this is a pretty good bit. Like I'm hearing this. yeah You know, I like, I deserved ah that. Like, i but I will tell you, I swallowed like at the end, like this massive, like baseball of taffy at the end. like i did i was in the ER when I learned I hadn't won. The and other thing is, is like, this is something I didn't practice because I was like, I'm not going to eat that much taffy. And yeah,
00:10:06
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uh the like it it got to the point way faster that I couldn't say anything like it was like realistically it was like three and I thought I could go for like five or six and I was just like oh, Laffy Taffy is bigger and my mouth is smaller than I think.
00:10:26
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Like the whole, like, I'm kind of assuming that my mouth has TARDIS-like powers. Yes. but The TARDIS-like power comes from like swallowing candy. like Yes, it has to go somewhere. Yeah, it doesn't. Yeah. Yeah.
00:10:40
Speaker
You got some like law of conservation and mass going on there. That's working against you. Yeah. Now, mean, I'm just imagining you like in the yeah ER, getting your stomach pumped and the doctor trying to solemnly explain nothing to you. It's like, there's nothing laughy about this taffy. You need to take this more seriously. Your taffy habits are going to land you here again. you Keep this up.
00:11:01
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and By the way, I do like a laughy taffy. Yeah. Yeah. Laffy taffy. What flavor are you going for? Since it's not banana. uh cherry or green apple green apple that's the correct answer i'm all about that green apple oh you know what i i also loved i loved uh charms pops uh uh speaking of green apple those i loved i loved charms pops and i hated ah Tootsie Pops.
00:11:27
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Tootsie Pops are such a disappointment. Worst flavor. They're all semi-melted upon arrival, it feels like like. They feel like they've all been melted and re-congealed back into their form. I think it's just cheap Isomalt candy, right? And also, I've never liked Tootsie Rolls.
00:11:43
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Like, never. That's not a great price. Now, Blow Pop. A Blow Pop. yeah yeah that's yeah like i turn yeah those are good with uh with the the the bubble gum yeah and um and that comes garbage too ah it's trash like at least that's fine and then um oh what else there was uh another one of the the fruit oh you know what i did like and i still like um is when you would get the weird fruit flavored Tootsies.
00:12:18
Speaker
Those I love. Those are pretty good. Except for the vanilla ones. Like, they lump in Like, so you have the canonical Tootsie Roll, which is this little, like, bit of, like, chocolate-flavored hard taffy.
00:12:33
Speaker
Yeah. Disgusting. The worst chocolate on earth. And then you have the fruit ones, which are are essentially, like, bargain basement Starburst. Yes, precisely. Yes. And...
00:12:46
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Like, yeah, as I said, i've I've always like, even as a kid, I always like, I love Starburst. Like if I could get a Starburst, I would prefer that like Skittles. um And so it's like, I enjoyed and I still enjoy they, they have, they have a certain flavor ah that I, I like a little bit more, even though Starburst is a superior fruit chew product. Are you on the high chew train here in the present day Have you done high chews yet?
00:13:13
Speaker
I don't think I've done a high chew. I've done ah as a Mambo. Okay, yeah, yeah. that one's the The high chews are quite good. ah The fruit flavors are very tasty. It has a little bit more chew to it than a Starburst. It's like a little bit more work, which I like. And hey, Jess.
00:13:31
Speaker
Yeah? What's this candy you're talking about? High chew. Gesundheit.
00:13:44
Speaker
that would have been so much funnier if you had three laffy taffies in your mouth yeah yeah would have oh my god uh my friend uh paul who i went to high school with um he when uh like you know When he was a like a high schooler with a car that would just like kind of drive around at night, you know, as high schoolers do, it's just like, right, what am I going to do? I guess I'm going to drive around.
00:14:15
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Where i grew up, like there were a ton of late night diners, so like but he would go to the 7-Eleven and he would buy... was Is it Mamba or Mambos? Ooh, that's a great question.
00:14:28
Speaker
Probably Mambo because Mamba would suggest you're eating like snipe parts. It's Mamba. It is. Well, there you go. ah But peace he would go the to the 7-Eleven, like in our like town center.
00:14:42
Speaker
And he would always buy like ah the Mambas because those were like super cheap. And, you know, he was a high schooler, but he got to the point where like he'd roll in you know, it's like 11 o'clock.
00:15:01
Speaker
He rolls in and they go. they They point at him be like, Mamba. All right. That's how you know you're living your best life. is is Yeah.
00:15:13
Speaker
have you ever Have you ever had that? Have you ever been like like, because I've had like bartenders and I've had like, like i you know, there's a ah diner that go to where they know my order. Like I've got a couple of places like that, but I don't think I've ever had that like a convenience store. No, never at a store. I've definitely had restaurants, like our Thai restaurant here in town. We go there regularly enough. They know exactly well what we want.
00:15:35
Speaker
Do you ever, is this just like a sign that I'm broken inside? That when the server at a restaurant correctly guesses my order, my first instinct is to try to improvise a new order on the spot.
00:15:48
Speaker
What's wrong with me that that's like, I don't want to give them that power over me. Why can't I just like be flattered that they know me and probably appreciate me? let's try What's wrong? Ben, if you could just be my therapist for a moment.
00:16:00
Speaker
but What's broken about me that makes me want to be like, well, actually, I don't want red curry tonight. I mean, it's not like it's not like it's going to make it any harder for them. it's They're probably not, you know. No, no, no. Yeah, it's not. It's purely just ah a recognition of we appreciate that you're a regular customer.
00:16:20
Speaker
And I'm like, I to throw that back in your face. Yeah. there did No, I don't. Listen, I you know, but it's fun. Like at my diner that I'll go to like ah for like a Saturday or Sunday brunch on occasion, like, you know she'll roll up and she'll be like, are you going to have ah it's it's it's Swedish.
00:16:38
Speaker
So she'll be like, do you want this one that I've been to? Yes. I think you've met. You might have met the server. Yes, I think I have. So, yes, so I know exactly what you're talking about. have good middle
Gaming: Hades and Pinball
00:16:50
Speaker
image. Yeah, do you want the Frigg, which is what I normally order?
00:16:56
Speaker
And then, like, you know, every... And, like, nine times out of ten, it's like, yeah That's what i want. Yeah. But you know, sometimes I, I like, because there's a bit of a surprise. It's like, Oh, you're not having your usual.
00:17:09
Speaker
Oh, pretty interesting. Like, you know, and and that's less like a confrontation and more ah like a, yeah, you know, this old dog's got a couple tricks.
00:17:20
Speaker
You do contain multitudes. I've always said that about you. I will say also, that's a fantastic breakfast joint. Thanks for taking me there. but ah That place is great. Um, Oh, anyway.
00:17:32
Speaker
Well, Jess, what have you been playing? Oh, man, Ben. I have to tell you, am going to take page from your book and I am going to double up from last week because I have still been playing Hades.
00:17:50
Speaker
I am playing so much Hades. And let me tell you, i bought, you remember last time around, I was like, oh, I'd love to play Borderlands 4, but there's no way I'm paying for Borderlands 4. We bought it on the mid, the sale when they dropped it down to 50.
00:18:02
Speaker
Yeah, but I actually got for like $47 somewhere else. So i got a cheap copy of Borderlands 4, downloaded all 100 gigs of it or whatever, looked at my Steam library and said, i think I'm going to play some more Hades.
00:18:15
Speaker
I haven't even loaded up. Hades. such like, and this is also like the power of like a good roguelike is, is it's like, you know, so like a successful run and you've, you've, you've, you've beaten, you at least one win, right? The five, I've gotten literally one win. I think I got done my twenty second run.
00:18:39
Speaker
Which don't know that's good. I saw one person Reddit that said it took them 33 runs to beat the first boss. And I'm like, at first i was like, I must be the best Hades player ever. But I've slowly come to realize that guy on Reddit is the worst Hades player ever.
00:18:53
Speaker
i i I probably was later than that. Like, it took me a while. Like, when you started to say, like, it's like I rolled through the the third boss, and I was like, damn, that that third boss took me a while. It took me while. was a blessed run the first time, it was like one of those where just every boom fell into place beautifully, and I was um like, I could just zip around the screen, didn't even have to attack. There were just so many effects around me that stuff died, you know?
00:19:19
Speaker
Yep. But no, it's wonderful. get it. Now, I will say I'm hitting little bit of the malaise of I'm bad playing any game once I've defeated its final boss or defeated its storyline mode or whatever. I know this game has more bosses and more content and lots more storyline, but enough of me felt like after I beat what is nominally the final boss,
00:19:47
Speaker
There's a lot me, it's like, all right, time to uninstall this and move on to the next thing. We haven't rolled credits though, yeah? I haven't rolled credits yet. So I do know there's a more definitive The End than the one I've experienced.
00:19:58
Speaker
Yeah, so it's like, there's a The End and then credits, and then there's an epilogue of The End, which is an even more, which... I've got Yeah.
00:20:09
Speaker
And it's great. It's lot of fun. I love it. It's fantastic game. Ben, you did not steer me wrong. It is my favorite game I've played in recent memory.
00:20:20
Speaker
Yeah. Forget it. Kid name, ice boy. You're off my game the year list now. Was that last year? That was last year. that well You're definitely off my list though. Yeah.
00:20:32
Speaker
Like that, Grayson. Why have you been playing Ben? Well, I, I just heard i could say the honest truth, which is to say I've been playing ah Hades 2.
00:20:45
Speaker
um wait wait, like, which, and again, I don't want to, ah like Hades 2 is really great because it it is the big, huge sequel and there's just so much of it. um and And that's part of the thrill of it is it's just like, Jesus Christ, this keeps going. Like, you know, um so I've beaten one of the final bosses. I have had my win that, but...
00:21:19
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And Jess, was the same as me for your Hades win, which was it's like, I didn't think this would be the one where I would win. I wasn't even using a weapon that I liked using. yeah like I picked a weapon where was like, oh, we'll give you this little extra like currency to buy like goodies if you pick this one that we randomly selected. So I picked this one weapon that didn't even really like.
00:21:48
Speaker
playing with that much, but I have all the boons lined up. All the boons lined up. Everything. Sometimes the gods smile on you. Yeah. Like it all just like kind of lined up and like it just got to the point where it's like I beat, like I made it to the final world and i was just like, i think I'm kind of crushing it. Like, you know. That's a good feeling in in Hades. Like the, I think this is going well.
00:22:14
Speaker
Yeah. Something's different here. i was I was like, because like I even like, and I picked so many things that i don't normally pick. Like it was just like, it's like, yeah, I'll use this, but this one is like, there's a thing that you get in 80s too.
00:22:30
Speaker
You get these moon powers that are really cool. I picked a moon power I didn't like. And then like by the end, I was like, think this moon power is actually incredible.
00:22:41
Speaker
But that's not what I'm going to talk about. Forget it. Everybody ignore that. But it is quite good. If you enjoyed Hades 1 and were like, is Hades 2 good? I might pick it up. I might just roll straight into it.
00:22:54
Speaker
Well, you should, you should. I should roll credits on Hades 1. You should beat 1. then I think, give that a rest. Give that a rest. Okay, don't go straight into it. Because think Hades...
00:23:06
Speaker
There's a couple things. One is that Hades 2, like, in order to be a sequel, you're not playing as, what's his name?
00:23:17
Speaker
Zag. Yeah, you're not playing as Zag. And so Mel, who you're playing as, she has, like, kind of a different move set, and a strategy for playing as her is kind of different.
00:23:34
Speaker
And so if you... Like I noticed a lot of people that went into Hades two and I think they were just playing Hades one to really wrap themselves up for it. Like kind of went into it and then like kind of bounced, like soft bounced.
00:23:47
Speaker
Is there like, Oh, it's not, it feels a little different, you know? uh, but, uh, but also it's like, I think it's a game that's,
00:23:58
Speaker
Kind of how I think it wants you to approach it is is that like kind of with the mindset of like having played a ton of Hayden's. So I think you you still have a lot more meat on the bone before you to- Well, Ben, when you think I'm ready, you just give me the word. I'll give you the word.
00:24:17
Speaker
But I'll say, so I played recently, there's there's a ah brand new pinball machine in town.
00:24:28
Speaker
Uh-oh.
00:24:31
Speaker
Oh, you ever see Inside Llewyn Davis? No. Oh, it's a great movie. One of Grayson's favorites. I'm quite fond of it myself. But anyway, there's a folk song because it's about like folk music.
00:24:44
Speaker
There's a folk song in it where Adam Driver, who has a very small... cameo, like just a very small role in the movie. Like he has like just a refrain. i think if the song is like, please, Mr. President, it's about like JFK or something like that.
00:25:02
Speaker
It's like, please, Mr. President. and And then Adam Driver's character is all he does is he goes, oh, in the song. But he has that, you know, Adam Driver.
00:25:14
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. You got to see it. Inside the Little Davies an incredible movie. I love Adam Driver.
00:25:21
Speaker
Anyway, so there's a new pinball machine in town. There's a bunch of new pinball machines in town, but this is the one I played. So it's called a Star Wars Fall the Empire, which is just- i've heard of that.
00:25:32
Speaker
is Is just, I believe, an excuse to make another original trilogy Star Wars machine, of which this would be the-
00:25:47
Speaker
I almost said the third, but I think there's actually four. Four original trilogy Star Wars pinball machines. That makes sense. More Star Wars original trilogy pinball machines than there are original trilogy films.
00:26:04
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Yeah.
00:26:11
Speaker
and two of them are called Star Wars and one of them is called Star Wars Trilogy and so this one is star Wars Fall of the Empire. There's also a Mandalorian pinball machine and there is also a episode one pinball machine.
00:26:28
Speaker
That's the best one. Would you be shocked to know? There were good episode one games, though. Like, Podracer was an excellent Oh, yeah. Is there, like, a ramp made out of, like, Jar Jar's tongue or anything fun like that the episode one? No. That's what I would put in.
00:26:45
Speaker
Yeah. I'm a sicko. I'm looking at this table, and it looks beautiful. hey Yeah, so Star Wars Fall the Empire, it's it's interesting because it's, like, I'm going to say this, I like how it looks. I love the look of it. It's fun to shoot. But the the thing is, is if you're like a pinball sicko, such as I am, this, like the design of it and like the the look of it and everything, it is, and the fact that it's like a Star Wars original trilogy game and it's the fourth original trilogy game that there is,
00:27:20
Speaker
um and that the last one came out 2017, think. it is like the most like normal pinball game that's ever been made. There is like, like looking at it, like, because it's like, I've heard a lot of ah like pinball dorks get mad. It's like, oh, you know, has this very standard type of design. has a very, you know, pinball fans will know, it has a fan design, which is to say that all the shots are lined up around the, across the top in a fan type formation. I'm seeing that and I see exactly what you mean.
00:27:59
Speaker
and And it's like, but fit you know what? Like, they've done a couple weird designs recently. So it's like, I feel that they were just kind of like hitting the reset button. This is like, I played it for an hour or so weekend at my favorite arcade.
00:28:19
Speaker
And I was like, you know what? This was perfectly fun. Like, this is just a pinball game. It looks like just a pinball. I'm looking at a nice top-down shot of the play field.
00:28:33
Speaker
And, i mean, yeah, it's a couple of ramps. Looks like how a pinball game looks. doesn't look it's doing anything super fancy. Does it play solid, though? is it Is it a good version of straightforward?
00:28:46
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I see as I'm looking at this on Stern's website that there are like three editions of it with different art. There's always three editions. Is that the standard move nowadays? That's the standard is that there's a pro, a premium, and an LE.
00:29:00
Speaker
And the pro is like kind of the base model. The premium, they'll add like a couple extra bells and whistles and stuff. Like they are like generally a pro and a premium have like mild to sometimes fairly dramatic, but not huge like gameplay differences. It's usually at least one or two things that you can interact with on the play field that aren't on the pro.
00:29:30
Speaker
And then the LE is just a premium, but like they, you know, made it look prettier and yeah you like, and I think it, like it costs a couple thousand more. I forget how many thousand more, but like, and it has like, you know, like a couple hundred dollars more stuff in it.
00:29:49
Speaker
Uh, you're buying the markup for, uh, Oh yeah. This is all it's, this is all ungodly expensive. Um, But yeah, you know, I played it and my review is like, yeah, it's ah it's ah a perfectly fine pinball game at a good time. Like I will, when I go back to the arcade this weekend at some point, probably play it again for a while.
00:30:13
Speaker
The thing about pinball now is that it's actually difficult to accurately judge What your opinion of a pinball machine is going to be when it comes out, because pinball machines, like every other video game, do not release with full code.
00:30:36
Speaker
ah And so right now, like, I think the code, I don't know what number it is, but it's like at 0.8 something. Like it's it generally like usually releases. You're playing the beta version of this game.
00:30:47
Speaker
It's early access. You're early accessing this pinball thing. Like, yeah, you're you're getting, and like and usually like the 1.0 code like doesn't come out until like a year after something like that. like It takes a while.
00:31:02
Speaker
so it's like And the thing is, is that If you're like a like a ah hard pinball player, you're like learning the rules and what the strategy is.
00:31:16
Speaker
And like that can drastically change between like code revisions. And so like right now, like I'm like, yeah, it was kind of fun to shoot around and look nice.
00:31:27
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Like, but you know, I have no idea. Like, it's it's hard for me to really, like, you can better judge based off of who they have working on the code for a game of, eh, this will probably be good.
00:31:44
Speaker
And this has a ah good guideline. Well, let me ask you a question. And maybe this is a dumb question. As a mechanical device, do pinball machines need to be broken in a little bit? Like if you get to the arcade and they've just taken it out of the giant ah envelope that it was mailed to them in and they set it up there, like is that thing fresh out on the floor going to play significantly different than it will six months or six years down the road? It's going it' pristine ah Is Pristine out of the factory the way you want to play or do you want that settled in version?
00:32:19
Speaker
Usually want a little something. Okay. It's usually out of the factory. It's going to play unbelievably like fast, which is fun in its own way. Like it is a lot of fun to play like a minty, like brand new pinball machine. Like that is really fun. And it's also, it's like with maintenance, it's going to remain like in a decent repair like that.
00:32:41
Speaker
But usually like it's also when a pinball game is like first being set up, like they might, figure out like, oh, actually, like I need to have the pitch at a slightly different, like I need to have it a little lower, a little higher, where it's like, oh, I have to like this little thing I need to like adjust, like this little metal thing needs to be bent a little bit.
00:33:06
Speaker
Sometimes like, The coils that make a like a flipper work, those kind of... And i you know somebody that knows, i don't know all the innards and all of that, like the electronics, the mechanical bits of what makes ah like a pinball machine work.
00:33:26
Speaker
You're no Bill Budge, is what you're saying. I'm not Bill Budge. I don't have the pinball construction set. Um... But like, I mean, just from what I know is it's like, you know like, yeah, like it usually settles in after a little bit and then like you just kind of want to have it at.
00:33:47
Speaker
like this kind of appropriate level. See, this is the problem like for me is like the most casual pinball player on earth is most of the pinball machines I encounter are far too worn in and it stays like I find one in the back of like a random restaurant or something and it's like the kind where you like slam your hand against the button on the side as hard as you can. Like half a second later or the flipper just sort of like limply Like like moves, like there there's a good delay and it doesn't fully move. It's just like, all right, let's play some pinball, baby. That's what it's all about.
00:34:22
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That was, I mean, honestly, that's what it was like in Chicago for years, which is crazy because like, this is where they make them or the suburbs anyway. And like the,
00:34:37
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the, like, that it is to have a like pinball machine like out on location and for that not to happen it does need regular maintenance especially if it's in a public location like the one sitting in like a basement for a while needs less but it still needs space maintenance yeah because it's literally wood like oh yeah it's it's wood and like spring and yeah And like the game is that you use like ah like ah a big strong chunk of plastic wrapped in rubber to like fire with an electrical coil, ah large metal ball bearing at like plastic at high speed.
00:35:31
Speaker
at like speeds of like 70 miles per hour or whatever. And it's like that ship breaks all the time. ah Like every, every component of a pinball machine breaks all the time.
00:35:46
Speaker
I'm constantly too. Like when while I'm around pinball machines, I'm like popping my girl up under the glass to make out with her and stuff. Yeah. yeah That's rough on them. You know, it's yeah. Yeah.
00:35:59
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, these these things suffer a lot in public is what I'm saying. I mean, I mean, all right Jess, you're you're saying that, like, but that is funny. it's It's really, like, it's funny because it's like there was this period where, like, pinball and, like, arcade stuff in general, but especially pinball, like, pinball was associated with, like, the mob and, like, arcades were associated with, like, this really seedy element. You'll see, like, photos. Like, you were sharing photos on Blue Sky the other day. Yeah. Like,
00:36:29
Speaker
I was a Debbie Harry play yeah like like you'll see like punk people like you know punks in the 70s and 80s like smoking and like leaning up against a pinball machine and they look so fucking cool.
00:36:41
Speaker
Yeah, like I remember like watching this documentary or something and it was like, yeah, you know, like we were so fucking cool. We were like outlaws playing pinball. And then like anyone that approaches pinball like that, like today, like that is just like, yeah, like I'm pretty bad ass. I'm into pinball. It's like, no, this shit's just for dorks now, my friend. Like this is, this is for people that like, you know, if, if you tap them on the shoulder, they're going to collapse. Like, this is not like, there is nothing like rough,
00:37:13
Speaker
or like cool about being into pinball now. It's just for nerds. And like, and I say that as a big fucking nerd. Like if you're deluding yourself into thinking that like you're a cool outlaw, like it's like, I'm sorry, my man. Like either you were alive then you were like, because they're, you know, they're especially here in Chicago because like there's a ah massive like scene around pinball. Like there's a lot of people who like,
00:37:41
Speaker
You know, we're playing at the arcades here in the and have like memories. So like, I love all that. But like, yeah, if you're, you know, my age in my late 30s, like I'm not going to pretend that I'm a badass for playing pinball. Like it was like,
00:37:57
Speaker
you know it was a thing i played when i was like eight years old at arcades when those existed and then like it went away for a while and then i got into it again into like in my like 20s late 20s and uh like the all the people i hang out with and play it with like we're all nerds we're all dorks if you pretend it's not a nerd dork thing You're deluded.
00:38:24
Speaker
You want to a cool gamer? You want to play Grand Theft Auto. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, that's punk rock. Yeah, that's punk rock, my man. All right, well... We're out time.
00:38:38
Speaker
I was curious, when you were playing the this Fall of the Empire game, did you take the time to reflect on the legacy of Lucasfilms at all?
00:38:50
Speaker
No. yeah yeah I'm just curious.
Maniac Mansion: Sitcom and Game Design
00:38:56
Speaker
Um, you know, just,
00:39:01
Speaker
I don't know what you're talking about. All I know is that it's scary game month. What's the scariest thing you could think of? Yeah. Yeah.
00:39:13
Speaker
We weren't planning on talking about a different game this week and then like things didn't line up with our special guest. Yeah. I'm sorry. Roberta Williams canceled on us last minute. So didn't get that this week. Yeah. well Well, she was in the other room popping popcorn and, and um, Ken canceled for her.
00:39:35
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oh But ah yes, I mean, i do hear do you hear this? ah We are, ah of course, going to talk about...
00:40:31
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Maybe
00:40:49
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Ben, do you have a background at all in singing? Like, do you, have you done choir at any point? Oh yeah. Yeah. So at some point you've probably had like some choir director or music teacher somebody like really work with you i'm like hitting your consonants and how to clip, you know, what, kind what sounds you hold out vowels and which ones you don't consonants and really enunciating. So the, like the way she hits maniac,
00:41:17
Speaker
may time is just like it feels like that sort of i've been choir directed into this hardcore uh you know i have to like yes uh it is very difficult to make out the words of that song you can't sing the word matching in a pretty way i'm I'm going to say i don't think it's the the singer's fault because barely a song.
00:41:51
Speaker
barely a song It feels like during the verse that maybe she didn't have the benefit of the backing track like in her headphones. It's almost like she's on a different yeah tempo and rhythm than the actual song.
00:42:04
Speaker
I mean, folks, if you allll know what you just heard. The is like... do do do do to do Like, there's not a lot for her to kind of hold on to. ah ah in singing it.
00:42:18
Speaker
Right. Like, so there's a lot of space. Like, she she has to, like, kind of, like, find something in there.
00:42:28
Speaker
And the lyrics are very dull and it's a very like slow and like it's it's just a bad song and it is a wacky ass sitcom yeah and so just what is what is this that i just played because you know the the listeners might not yeah might have actually stopped the podcast because they were like what the fuck is this awful song that of course was the famous theme song from cheers and that was uh that was the theme song to the maniac mansion sitcom that came out inexplicably in the 1990s ben right do you ever stop to think about like television series that you love today like series that yeah you just think are are really know take like i know we're both fans of star trek lower decks and prior to its cancellation
00:43:24
Speaker
You know, how many episodes did we have a chance to enjoy? Because it's like 52, I believe. Yeah, there are 66 episodes of Maniac Mansion. Three seasons.
00:43:35
Speaker
A well-reviewed series in a lot of outlets. I've i've watched a little bit of it. It's not bad. it's not awful i mean it's on it's on somebody it kind of it's one of those uh tv shows that kind of pops up and then vanishes on youtube yeah and i can't imagine controlling those rights george lucas himself is like uh i own that yeah back off yeah like it's one of those things that like the rights like like but uh at this moment it's currently on on youtube you can watch it
00:44:07
Speaker
it It is... hi right. If you go to Mediac Mansion, throw that all out the window because it's not there for the sake of... We'll get to the the game, but yeah i mean I am very fascinated...
00:44:22
Speaker
buy maniac mansion the tv show which if you're listening you might not know that this existed that there was a tv show based off of uh the the first lucasfilm game scum uh uh engine game um but there was, and, ah and it has very little to do with the game.
00:44:44
Speaker
not Um, and, but it's, it's fascinating because it has like a pretty killer, uh, like there, there is a fair amount of like talent that,
00:45:02
Speaker
yeah there's lot of SCTV talent that drifts over into this. it's I mean, it's created by Eugene Levy, you're right? It was, yeah. So Eugene Levy, who is one of the the creators who, ah like, you know, most recently people would know him from Schitt's Creek.
00:45:23
Speaker
He was in all the Christopher Guest, like Waiting for Guffman. He was in all the... He's a character actor that just pretty much never stops working. And all the American pie movies. He's got like a David Warner type, like I'll take any job. Yeah. Like, but he's always good.
00:45:39
Speaker
yeah But all right. So like ah one of the creators is Eugene Levy. i do wonder here because you have, ah Then the next person created by here is Michael Short. And so I wonder if he's like related to Martin Short because they're all like, because it's yeah like SCTV people, which SCTV is also one of those shows that like was really influential at the time and now doesn't exist because like whoever owns the rights to it,
00:46:14
Speaker
like just it doesn't release it or whatever like i think one season came out on dvd a long time ago and it wasn't like a good season of it and in but like if you ever like you know if you ever find it like you know maybe it's on like archive.org like or or something if you ever find you ever i have the opportunity to watch se tv and there's a lot of good sketches ah just like clips on an amazing talent like and yeah i mean it's also like a murderer's row because you have eugene levy youll yeah like this is just se tv this isn't maniac mansion but you have eugene levy you have john candy uh you have martin short joe flaherty uh you have um uh uh katherine o'hara um who the fuck else now this is this is like
00:47:03
Speaker
Ben, speaking of John Candy, yeah one of my favorite roles he ever did. Have you ever seen the Chevy Chase film, Nothing But Trouble? no i haven't you should check it out he yeah he plays a dual role there it's really uh really a great performance dave dave thomas andrea martin uh rick moranis that's who i was trying to that's the big one yeah uh uh yeah like those are there there were some other but like i i just aimed off all of the like and i gotta say like some of the sketches in it
00:47:34
Speaker
are still really, really funny. So, I mean, just watch any Count Floyd. Count Floyd. Anyway, so Joe Flaherty is the the star of it. um He's Dr. Fred. and ah Yeah, Dr. Fred Edison. And then a bunch of other people who I have no idea who they are. Yeah, no. I mean...
00:47:55
Speaker
It's it's odd. I mean, like the only thing it has in common with the game, which we are going to talk about. This is a podcast about the game. We can't stress strongly enough. This is not a podcast about the sitcom, but back to the sitcom. Um, it has Dr. Ed, who's like a bumbling inventor. Dr. Fred, Dr. Fred, who's a bumbling inventor. Uh, there is a meteorite in the basement that he experiments on and with. It's not controlling him in any way, but everything else is just like wacky. don't even know if the meteor is really part of it after the first season. No, it's almost like set dressing as much as it is anything. It's just like part of his wacky science lab at some level.
00:48:34
Speaker
But yeah, I mean, there's no nurse Edna. There's no weird Ed. There's certainly no tentacles. um It is. it's It's just like one of the characters is like a human fly, like this little human Like that's, it's more just like a,
00:48:53
Speaker
ah ah like this is like an offbeat, sitcom targeted at children uh about like a kooky family yeah now ben i know you love when stuff is described as lynching i saw one review that described this show as david lynch on helium would you agree with that description yes that's exactly what it's like ah but no mean it's a wild thing that existed it's
00:49:26
Speaker
Not bad. Like, know I like as a the the couple episodes of it, I've I've watched like, you know, I, you know, the the first episode of it, a pretty good gag.
00:49:37
Speaker
The, the, the name of the first episode is the 10th anniversary special. And it's them all acting like it's the 10th anniversary of the popular television show, Maniac Mansion.
00:49:49
Speaker
And they're like, Oh, didn't see you there. Like, know, you know, it's clever. At a time when meta wasn't that common. I mean, it very much feels like your syndicated sitcoms of the air. Like it's not that far removed from like an eighties, like small wonder kind of, uh, kind of sitcom at some level. But, uh,
00:50:10
Speaker
Once upon a time, they would make yeah television ah for like $5 and a season would be 500 episodes. And like, yeah, it's like you said, like this ran for three years and produced 66 episodes.
00:50:24
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know. Yeah. it's a now there would be like eight episodes a season and a four year break between seasons. Yeah. What's that? What's that all about?
00:50:35
Speaker
What's wrong with Holly weird? I don't know. don't know. I don't know. um like I mean, oh, anyway. Maniac Mansion. So, no, no, no. we're Today we're talking about this.
00:50:56
Speaker
is much better. Maniac Mansion. Maniac Mansion.
00:51:08
Speaker
now all right but also why for ah high energy comedy show would you start with the theme song that sounds like a funeral dirge yeah i mean when this is made why not have like you should have like a radical teen rapping about this family like you should be like well they're the edison family and they're here to say kind of thing you know like This kind of sets the tone a bit. Like this, a variation. I'm like a slap bass right now. you know This is the the Commodore 64 version of
00:51:47
Speaker
It sounds fantastic. Yeah, I think this might be my favorite one. I really love the, oh man, that cymbal crash. Yeah, see that? Those weird sounds. Yeah.
00:51:58
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Yeah.
00:52:38
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That is killer. have I never heard of the C64 version? Yeah. How does the PC version sound? I can't remember it. It's it's this same tune, but without all the C64 sound down Yeah. yeah You know, like the the Commodore 64.
00:52:58
Speaker
Did you have one? I didn't have a Commodore 64. No, I didn't either. i it It's something I wish I could. had as a kid because like I look at stuff like i've I've played some Commodore 64 games and I've watched some video and stuff like that of Commodore 64 games and like I kind of have the feeling of like it's too late for me to go back to that like they don't appeal to me oh like going back and playing them I don't have a lot of fun playing a ton there's some but
00:53:34
Speaker
ah the sounds that a Commodore 64 could make. Yeah. And like the look of some of the games, especially like the shit that like, you know, like UK games were doing with the like the C64 sound chip or like whatever they had in there.
00:53:51
Speaker
Like it just sounds incredible. um but ah But yeah, like the ah the The version that I grew up with, and I'm sure the version of Maniac Mansion that you grew up with, ah like it was the PC speaker.
00:54:06
Speaker
and it was it was similar to that, but it didn't have like that... You it's funny. i like my version of maniac mansion. I played a kid was actually the NES version. I didn't play the PC version until years and years later. This was one that I rented ah from the local video store several times and never managed to beat.
00:54:30
Speaker
ah I'm still terrible at maniac mansion. I cannot wrap my brain around this game, which is sad because there are enough endings that you should be able to like, you know, bungle your way toward one ah with the least of my skill, but not me.
00:54:46
Speaker
I would rent this thing and just beat my head against it. But the NES version to me is still like what I think of when I think of Maniac Mansion. And it's it's a good looking version. of The sound there is great. has a constant soundtrack, which I don't think. Unless you turn off each kid's CD player.
00:55:02
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yes. the but that's So I don't have as much... like i never I've never played the NES version. like I'm familiar with it, but I've never played it.
00:55:14
Speaker
ah like Preparing for today, I watched ah some video of it. And it is funny to think of. It's like... you know Because the version of Maniac Mansion I played was the EGA enhanced version, ah which is to say there was like the original PC version ah And then they put out like a slightly higher ah like resolution.
00:55:41
Speaker
uh, version, uh, uh, for the, the PC, uh, that, that was the one that came with, I've talked about it before that my, my box set of classic LucasArts games that had Maniac Mansion, Zach McCracken, uh, Last Crusade, Loom, and Secret of Monkey Island.
00:56:00
Speaker
Um, yeah. And that's a killer lineup. Uh, uh, and Zach McCracken. And Last Crusade.
00:56:11
Speaker
No, Last Crusade is a perfectly cromulent game. Zach McCracken is trash. I don't particularly care for Last Crusade. Yeah, and you like Zach. And here's the thing. down like like I liked Zach as a kid.
00:56:26
Speaker
Yeah. i Like, as an adult, I know that I would never have the patience for Zach McCracken now. But ah when I was a kid,
00:56:38
Speaker
like We'll get back to Maniac Mansion. um ah when When I was a kid, like the the light, offbeat humor of ah Zach McCracken and the massive, empty, maze-filled world was a lot more interesting to me as a child.
00:56:59
Speaker
Yes, I can get that. Yeah. Like... No, absolutely. and And so this is me tying it back to what we're we're talking about. what What I think is really fascinating about Maniac Mansion, because I don't think...
00:57:13
Speaker
there are a lot of adventure games like Maniac Mansion. I think it's a fairly singular game. And I think the thing about um like Zach McCracken is that it really feels like a game that has like kind of c yeah like like, all right, we're going to blow the doors off of everything we did with Maniac Mansion. Where like Maniac Mansion is set in this one...
00:57:40
Speaker
mansion that has some mania or maniacs maniacs well not full just a few it's mostly kids and some maniacs um uh and like it has this kind of tight kind of clockwork like kind of puzzle design that also has like a timer on it like certain events happen at certain times um zach uh like zach mccracken uh is like enormous it's an open world adventure game and it like it and that was way more appealing to me as a ah kid yeah whereas like maniac mansion which like yes is this really a halloween game it's it's intentionally uh maniac mansion was like kind of a like a goof on eighty s
00:58:30
Speaker
like Yeah, like rocky schlocky B-movie horror stuff and bad sci-fi. ah Yeah, I think from like the 50s on through the 80s, you know, i think all those are influences here as what's as old Ronnie Gilbert and Gary Winnick sit down to to design this one.
00:58:49
Speaker
Yeah, what's the what's the plot of Maniac Mansion? Well, um Sandy, ah who is a ah beautiful cheerleader. I recently learned her last name is Pants.
00:59:00
Speaker
Sandy Pants with a Z. Sandy Pants. I'm pretty sure that's correct. That's why I'm reading on the internet. She has been kidnapped and taken to a mansion with some maniacs in it.
00:59:14
Speaker
And you are her boyfriend, Dave, noted tuna head, I would say, who is setting off with some of his friends, a group of teens to rescue her. And you have the freedom to choose amongst these various teens to create your group of kids who will go into the mansion, all of whom have special abilities in search of Sandy before she gets her pretty little brain sucked out.
00:59:41
Speaker
Yeah. and their tentacles, and there's an S&M nurse. Is she S&M? Oh, yeah, i no, she is on the phone. Like, she's a little, like, weird and flirty. Obscene calls and lots of, like, tie you up in my dungeon sort of innuendo.
00:59:59
Speaker
That's all gone from the NES version. The NES version, of course, heavily censored. They can't have that sort of sexual content. ah But, so yeah. um But, yeah, it's, you know, just a classic yeah sort of kids go into a mansion full of maniacs story.
01:00:15
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And... Um, so what's really unique about maniac mansion is that like, as Jess said, so it's like, you have three characters that you're controlling, uh, at all times.
01:00:32
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Um, and, uh, one of them is constant through all games. You always is have Dave, then you have a selection of what, like five other kids,
01:00:44
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Yes. You have Dave, you have Sid, is an aspiring new wave rocker. ah You have Michael, an award-winning photographer. Okay. Wendy, uh, uh, uh, aspiring novelist, Bernard, ah nerd,
01:01:00
Speaker
and razor uh the lead singer for the punk band razor and the so i new wave ah person and a a punk person like yeah isn't that kind of know do we need both gotta have been i could not tell you how distinct new wave and punk really are now i mean this yeah no way i mean yeah that is like that's like saying you know isn't a photographer and a writer the same thing they're both like You're trying to represent reality. A photographer and a writer. What is this? Phantasmagoria?
01:01:32
Speaker
I don't want to talk about that. I don't think we'll ever talk about phantasmagoria. Not if I have anything to say about it. Yeah. It would really take someone special coming on our podcast like Roberta Williams for me to want to talk about phantasmagoria.
01:01:50
Speaker
Anyway, so Dave... like Dave is always in the cast and then ah the the other five kids, they all have like a couple things that make them unique.
01:02:04
Speaker
There's a little bit of overlap. There's a little, like some will, will like, you know, like Bernard knows how to open up and repair a radio ah like Sid or like a razor. We'll put a hamster in a microwave.
01:02:20
Speaker
Like there's, ah you know, like all of them have like little things that they'll do and they they won't do, which is why I find this such a fascinating ah design, which is, it's like, I'm just trying to to think about, and I'm sure,
01:02:41
Speaker
ah like I wouldn't be surprised if like Ron Gilbert, like, you know somewhere on like his grumpy gamer blog or like in an interview somewhere, like talked about like kind of how he mapped this out or like how him and ah Gary Winnick ah mapped it out.
01:02:57
Speaker
I was actually reading a little bit about this today on the Digital Antiquarian. And interestingly, it started like their original test runs of it before they'd even locked into necessarily this being like an adventure game.
01:03:09
Speaker
fully they were they like prototyped it as a board game with the almost like a clue style board that they were sort of moving the characters around and then breaking down what puzzles would be in what room which is kind of fascinating I wonder if anyone else has ever done that for an adventure game design that's interesting it is it's a I mean and it makes a lot of sense I don't know makes a lot of sense doesn't work like that how the game works too because like So movement and location is so important to it
01:03:43
Speaker
Yeah. It's a game where exactly like movement and location are supremely important. And so it's like, so you have three Edison's you have Fred Edison, Dr. Fred. He's generally in the basement.
01:03:57
Speaker
Like, so he hasn't slept in years. Yeah. But then you have weird Edna. Wait, is it just Edna and then weird Yeah. Yeah. um she's weird too though so i get the confusion and they'll move around and they generally just have their rooms that they stay in but events occur over the course of the game that will move them into separate rooms and if you are on their path between those destinations like you you'll get caught by them and thrown into the the jail yeah um and it's interesting like
01:04:35
Speaker
i I forgot about the the board game of it, but it really makes sense because, like, as you were saying, like, position, like, where you are relative to other characters yeah is very important in the game.
01:04:52
Speaker
And Ben, this is going to be narrow casting, but you and I, through a strange set of circumstances, have both had the opportunity to play the House of a Thousand Corpses tabletop game. Yes.
01:05:04
Speaker
Which honestly feels like it has so much in common with that version of Maniac Mansion of, ah you know, kids roaming through a house with a weird family that's also moving in an attempt to remove them from said house.
01:05:19
Speaker
that's a good board game i want to play that board game again we had a lot fun playing that board game yeah that was uh made uh made by our our friend nick you uh you can purchase it now yes uh uh but uh yeah house of a a thousand corpses that was a really that was a very good board like that was a yeah we had a lot of fun doing that ah Yeah, and you know, I, I, yeah, like those actually kind of connect together.
01:05:44
Speaker
and we'll have to ask Nick if you thought about that. That's yeah, no, but I do like that. I mean, it makes sense when again, you just think about how much about you know, this game is like getting kids into the proper position.
01:05:56
Speaker
so they can hand off items so they can be in the right place to solve a puzzle to you know to get where they need to be when one of the edisons is moving around and out of their normal spot no it's fascinating i think you do really see that in the uh in the final product um and if it as i understand like any combination of kids can win this game there's no dead end team comp or anything like that it is a fascinating piece of design i can also see why not many other games have tried it and because i seem hard noneer i mean i mean it unlike i mean day of the tentacle takes it down to three characters but day of the tentacle is much more linear than maniac mansion i mean like yeah there's not like because there was the cave
01:06:42
Speaker
Like, uh, but even then, I think like the multiple characters all kind of got their own, like I didn't play the cave. So yeah, correct me if I got their own, everybody got their own area. That's right. and Yeah. Yeah.
01:06:56
Speaker
like you know and and what makes maniac mansion so fascinating is that no it's the same mansion full of maniacs on the same clock and you could attack it with a different set of characters um like in different this was a roguelike though what if this is a roguelike Honestly, a maniac mansion roguelike. Yes. Great idea. I'm not joking, Ben. I just thought of this because, again, i'm I'm Hades pilled right now.
01:07:29
Speaker
But how good would that be? Like you're just sending combinations of kids into this mansion, seeing how deep you can get into it every time. Yeah. Before you get thrown back to the start. Yeah.
01:07:40
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That's a good game. if Yeah. Yeah. Hey, LucasArts. Straight forwardly. Yeah. George Lucas, if you're listening. You know, I wouldn't mind showing Ron Gilbert. I can make a better game than him.
01:07:51
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Yeah, that's right. Just reach out. Show him. Yeah. We'll put Ronnie Gilbert on shout out. But yeah, like, I mean, because for a minute after this, uh, like the, the Lucas until see, uh, no, until no, until secret of monkey Island,
01:08:15
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ah all of the Lucas adventures had like a moment where you controlled another character, right? Because don't you control rusty for like a second in loom or am I misremembering? Maybe it's a loom that it ends with. I think you might though. Don't you think you might have like a second or no way you disguise yourself as rest. You disguise himself. Yeah. So yeah. All right. So, okay. Until, so it's like maniac mansion.
01:08:44
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multiple like multiple characters and zach mccracken multiple characters and more multiple characters but it's a fixed like you're not selecting like and that's one of the other things where like zach mccracken is like we're doing more in zach mccracken it's you've zach annie and then the uh the two uh up on mars so that's four and then each one less interesting than the last yeah and then in last crusade there's like gestures towards like that like there are like little little tiny bits where you play as henry jones um but in general yeah you're you're indie mode most you you're you're you're indie um
01:09:37
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And then like, they don't really revisit that until day of the tentacle, which is maniac mansion sequel. And even then it's a fixed number. And then like for thimbleweed park, you have five characters.
01:09:54
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So take that. i mean We added one more. Much better. Yeah. One, one more character equals one more better. Yeah. 25% better. yeah um You know, and it's also, so they're playing around with parser stuff in Labyrinth, the game that they made, like based on the the film before Maniac Mansion. But Maniac Mansion, like debuts the scum interface, the point and click scum interface, which everybody listening knows, but I'm going to explain anyway for the one person that doesn't.
01:10:30
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which is that you have, uh, all of like, so the, the top half of the screen is where your characters are in the world is. And like, yeah it's a third person perspective and you see everything.
01:10:47
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That's a beautiful color. And, um, and then on the bottom of the screen, i And it's all mouse controlled. On the bottom of the screen, you have a long list of verbs and also a list of inventory items.
01:11:04
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And ah to gesture towards what it's replacing... When you click on a verb, like the verb will, like you'll you'll see, you know, so it says turn on.
01:11:16
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And then when you mouse over the light, like it'll say turn on light. And then you click it. And then it does, you know, that sentence as if you typed it into the parser.
01:11:28
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And so like... You know, that was always something that was interesting to me, like revisiting Maniac Mansion is how it like is kind of instructing you. It's like you're familiar up to this point with most likely with a Sierra text parser or like Infocom or other ah games with text parsers.
01:11:52
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And we have this thing here where It's this no typing interface, but you're still constructing sentences. so it's not...
01:12:04
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removed And as like the scum engine, and as it like went further and further, you have less and less of that and like less of that as part of like the DNA of it.
01:12:16
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But like, you know, if you look at Maniac Mansion, it's like it it really feels more like an evolution of a ah ah text parser than like a supplanting it.
01:12:28
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It does like i mean, it's not the first to do this like ICOM simulations with some of their adventure games like Deja vu and like Shadowgate had elements of this sort of point clip. But they're like the screen is full of ah verbs and the game window and graphics are oftentimes much smaller.
01:12:51
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The way that this is implemented in Scum and Maniac Mansion is much more cinematic. It's much more elegant. It's just simply a more, in my opinion, more pleasing way to get at this. And Solves, of course, you know, Ron Gilbert was very outspoken about what he saw as the flaws of Sierra games and his frustrations of the text parser there. It manages to get around them. You always gives the example you know, you see a bush and you want to,
01:13:21
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You look in bush and it doesn't recognize the word bush. It doesn't recognize the word plant. And finally, you realize it wants you to say shrub. And by that point, you're sick of the game and over it already. It gets around that problem in a really elegant way without cluttering the screen.
01:13:36
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And they would get less and less cluttered. They would eventually strip away more and more of these verbs to get it to a more streamlined number and then bring in verb coins and other things that get the the verbs off the screen completely.
01:13:50
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Like... Yeah, the the number of verbs that Maniac Mansion has. So it's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15.
01:13:59
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You have 15 verbs. Wow, I would guess nine. That's amazing. and like and And the thing is, is that like you look at it and you're like, you know, it makes sense that we don't need all of them.
01:14:16
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Look, examine, observe, scrutinize. Yeah, exactly. All of those are there. It has extreme close up, which is you it borrowed from Wayne's world.
01:14:26
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um It is funny. Like, you know, there's just stuff that like, you know, they get rid of it's like unlock isn't needed. You just use the key in the, in a lock. Like, like it's like, um, give like there's a lot of stuff that could,
01:14:46
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Use is a beautiful verb. Yeah. In the world of adventure game design. Like fix. And also it's like turn on and turn off are two separate verbs.
01:14:58
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You just have one like, ah war Keep it at use. like but But the thing is, is he actually makes sense if you are thinking about this as it's not ah that they were trying to pare down too many verbs. It was that this is coming out of a text parser.
01:15:20
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Yeah. And it's a, like a response to a text parser. So you've already taken away countless verbs from you. Yeah. Moving away from a text parser. The last thing we're thinking about is how we can take away even more. Right.
01:15:31
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Right. Exactly. And, um, like, like it it is, uh, you know, like the, it also,
01:15:46
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annoying thing they it makes regular use of the what is for one of the verbs is what is and what that is is it's like a verb first of all yeah it is when ah it just activates it so that whatever your mouse goes over it tells you what it is instead of like eventually Uh, it's just whatever your mouse goes over, it tells you like, you know, you, you don't need to have ah specific button for that.
01:16:17
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Um, but you know, that's all stuff that they were figuring out. And also like, uh, uh, you know, the, like, uh, you know, they, uh, like this is all new.
01:16:35
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yeah um i mean, they're breaking new ground here. And I mean, and it all contributes to something you know that sir that does manage, I think, to be immersive in a different kind way. There's something immersive about a parser interface that feels like you could say anything to it.
01:16:52
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But we're moving closer to steps of like an interface that you don't have to notice as much, which is immersive in its own way. And then, yeah mean, this game also is notable.
01:17:04
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It's not the first game to have cut scenes. ah You know games like Prince of Persia and even like Miss Pac-Man had had cut scenes before this. But it does coin the term cutscene.
01:17:15
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ah This was Ron Gilbert's sort of personal word to describe this. That's how he coded it into scum. And the cutscenes go a long way, again, toward telling a much more cinematic story than what you might get, say, in, like, King's Quest 1.
01:17:32
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There's a lot more character. Absolutely. Like, there's just a lot more, like, kind of character stuff. Do you have a go-to group of kids, by the way? Like, is there anybody? I mean, Dave.
01:17:44
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Dave's a big winner. Usually I'm going to bring Bernard in there. yeah um Because he's he's canonical to me. Yeah, because he's canonical.
01:17:56
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And so then, like all right. So then you have Bernard and he... ah you know, all right. So he has like kind of fix it ability. So then I'll, I'll go for ah like Sid or razor. Yeah.
01:18:17
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Like for, for their, their skills. I think when I streamed it a couple of years ago, i don't, I forget what, what party I went with.
01:18:30
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um i don't i'm definitely with bernard but you have to have bernard because have to have bernard or else uh day of the tentacle doesn't happen yeah yeah yeah exactly it's erased from history and i'm always definitely i'm i'm a dave bernard and razor mostly because i think if i wanted to date someone in maniac mansion would probably as a kid razor she would have never given me the time of day she's a cool punk rocker with like a spiked collar but uh yeah Razor, Bernard, Dave, tuna heads all around.
01:19:04
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um Yeah, originally that line was don't be a shithead. true Yeah, but they decided like maybe we shouldn't throw in cursing, which there was cursing scattered throughout the game when other words could probably get the job done. Like the argument that they made internally was, is this really necessary for the tone we want to set for this game? So instead of saying don't be a shithead when you before you go to the mansion.
01:19:33
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It's changed to tuna head. Can you imagine if that was the, like what a different tone maniac manager would strike right out of the gate. If one of the kids called the other one, a shithead. Hey, Hey Bernard, don't be a shithead.
01:19:46
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They shit. it Good luck being a likable character in the sequel. But yeah, I mean, um you know, me like it, it is
01:20:02
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the
01:20:04
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That it's this like large house where you're controlling three characters. There's another three like characters moving around plus two tentacles who also move around.
01:20:20
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Yes. There's really five. and a real slurpy kind of way. Yeah. They're slurping. It's... it's It's just a really strange and fascinating game.
01:20:35
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and I, it it makes so much sense why they never made another game like this and why we don't see other ones yeah like this at all. But at the same time, it's just kind of like, it's kind of a cool, uh, like it's kind of a cool little, uh, design there.
01:20:53
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Like, There are a lot of people that would call this the best LucasArts game of all time. Now, I don't want to relitigate our ah tournament bracket, but, you know, there's an argument to be made.
01:21:06
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I ah did Maniac Mansion make it past the first who is Maniac Mansion? Okay, great. question ah Great question. Great question. Let's see here. Let me pull up my tournament bracket. You vamp for a bit.
01:21:22
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All right. um You know, ah Richard Cobbett ah wrote a piece about the Maniac Mansion TV show. ah Let's see here.
01:21:34
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um you know doesn't seem like a like i'm I'm just skimming this ah it doesn't really seem like i he ah particularly liked it okay man I've got I don't know the quote well pretty lousy it's worth remembering that some of the problems here are of a product of its time especially when it comes to the pacing even accounting for those though this isn't very funny
01:22:05
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ah Okay, man, I've looked this up and I don't have the results of this round, but I suspect I know them. It was paired against Curse of Monkey Island in round one. Oh, so it made it? It beat Curse?
01:22:17
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No, it didn't beat Curse. I'm sorry to say. I'm just going to go on record saying I have a feeling we picked Curse. Yeah, no. that's But no, I mean, this is a fantastic game. yeah You know, it it is fascinating how ambitious it is. Like the idea that it's not LucasArts' first adventure game.
01:22:34
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But in a lot of ways, it's the one that sets the template for what all the future ones would be. And it is wildly ambitious, wildly ambitious. You get the feeling that like, as a young designer, you you know, Ron Gilbert and Gary Winnick probably didn't know how much more they were biting off than they could chew.
01:22:55
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And that overconfidence kind of fuels a remarkable game in the long run. If they knew anything more about game design, they would have never tried to design this game, I suspect.
Movie Discussions and Nostalgia
01:23:06
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Yeah. um
01:23:10
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Jess, I think you need to play Labyrinth. I need to play Labyrinth. I think you should play it on your stream. I'm putting you up to it because um you I've never seen Labyrinth. The film? The film. All right.
01:23:22
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Well, then you should watch the movie Labyrinth and then play the game and then give us an honest. Here's okay. So I love Labyrinth, the film, but it's a real like kind of a B minus, you know? Yeah. um ah But it is a movie that like loomed. It was discovering that I don't think Labyrinth is that great.
01:23:50
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Um, and this isn't me saying it's bad. So don't email about that. Wow. Yeah. But if you do want to give Ben feedback on his movie opinions, that's quest quest podcast at gmail.com. Please continue.
01:24:01
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But, uh, but like, I, you know, it made such an impression on me when I was a little kid. It terrified me as a kid. but um But then like, it was always kind of scary.
01:24:13
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Yeah. Yeah. It terrified and fascinated me as is as a small child. Like it it really imprinted on me. I was always thinking about it. um And ah like, and then I remember like my first ah experience of this uh happening in my life where I like I rewatched it um and uh like with a friend I like got like I borrowed someone's DVD of and I was like oh this is Labyrinth oh it's it's really great like it's it's this it's like Jim Henson like it's this dark fantasy it's like kind of it's weird it's you know like uh you got to check this out like to somebody who'd never seen it and we sat we watched it and my friend goes uh huh
01:25:00
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All right, well. And I'm like saying that, like, yeah. Huh. That was my reaction the first time I got around to watching Willow. Like, huh. Yeah, I think, yeah.
01:25:13
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You want to know my my real, like, I think it's it's something that, like, if if you didn't see it as a small child, you're really missing out. Okay. Which is also...
01:25:24
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I had the shoe on the other foot and this is going ah this this this is a hot take. Uh-oh. I think I what it's going be. Please continue. yeah Really? What do you think it is?
01:25:35
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Okay, here's my just random guess out nowhere. I think you were going to say you found Goonies. See, now Goonies isn't it, but that's a great guess.
01:25:46
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Okay, okay. You're absolutely in the right zone. I was just getting big Goonies vibes, so please continue. like, i my guess of your guess... Was that would be Goonies because I think everybody has that story of it's like, oh yeah, this movie, like the truffle shuffle, like it made me laugh as a kid.
01:26:04
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Then I showed it to my girlfriend and she thought it was bad. I've never seen Goonies and I assume that I won't like it. um But ah ah no, no, my hot take one ah is Princess Bride.
01:26:18
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Did not see that until I was an adult and I was just like, huh, all right. Like I I'll, I'll go out and say like princess bride is probably better than Goonies. Like it's, it's, it's probably a better film than that.
01:26:33
Speaker
But like, I just watched it. i was like, man, if I saw this when I was like nine, I'd love this movie. I'm watching this as a full adult that can buy an adult beverage.
01:26:44
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ah And I like, you know, the, the, the magic isn't quite there for me. Can we have a sidebar bend for a moment? Uh-huh. Is that your favorite movie?
01:26:55
Speaker
No, I don't really. mean, it's fine. I don't have a problem with Princess Bride. I think that our listeners aren't going to appreciate this. So I think what I'm going to do is when we come back, I'm going to just go ahead and say how much I love Princess Bride because feel like i have to do some damage control for you.
01:27:12
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Wait, so wait, hold on. well We're still Soto Voce right now. ah um Do you love it or don't you? or are you just going to put on that you love it? I think I'm just going to put on that I love it. I think it is kind of mid to.
01:27:26
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Okay, great. All right. I mean, Ben, Princess Bride is a classic. I mean, Wallace Shawn, Andre the Giant. it's red savage like indubitably or whatever yeah like poison in both the cups storm in the castle or the land war in asia yeah pretty good come on it's a great movie ben why don't you like joy yeah i don't know personally i love it listeners but anyway but Anyway, but that was like my first.
01:27:59
Speaker
Do you have a story like that where like you showed someone something that you've loved as a kid and you were watching like they were watching it for the first time and you were watching it for the first time as an adult and you realized like it's like, oh, I think I told i may have told this story on stream before, but like.
01:28:19
Speaker
About a year ago, maybe two years now, um we, during the summer with our neighbors, ah would do outdoor movie nights where we would project films on the sides of our houses. and just like A real COVID-era thing do. Yeah, we kind of kept it going for a little while. We'd take our daughters out and we'd all put out picnic blankets and just enjoy a film on nice summer night.
01:28:44
Speaker
And, yeah, we decided we would try ah Robin Hood Men in Tights. yes yes yes i think you you i think you might have even told this story probably like recently and yeah it made like 10 minutes where it's i can't watch this film with a 12 year old this isn't gonna fly uh which is ironic because by 12 is the perfect age to appreciate that movie but i don't want to be in the room while she's appreciating it um so yeah that but now i i mean I had one different thing. Like I'm not talking about like, Oh, this aged poorly. no This is here. I'll give you one that was on the receiving end where I was the person who was introduced this with people are like looking at me the time. Like, uh, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, uh, uh, hocus pocus. pocus
01:29:30
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All right. Well, okay. Now this is generational Ben. No, no, no, no, no. no no no I know. I'm going to say, I'm with you. Like, I sound he saw Hocus Pocus in in theaters in what, 1993? Yeah, and this is Halloween content right now, by the way. Yeah.
01:29:48
Speaker
Like, Hocus Pocus. So, yeah, like what? that What year did that come out? Am I right? 93-ish sounds right. Let's see. Hocus Pocus 93, you're correct. Yeah, you want to know why I remember that? Because I remember the theater...
01:30:07
Speaker
next to uh man and i want to note here this is like hocus pocus came out july didn't come out in october weird uh so you know how i remember that it came out in 1993 is because the theater over was jurassic park When I saw it, which came out a month earlier, but obviously that was still in theaters. So were you seeing Hocus Pocus with the Jurassic Park next door?
01:30:40
Speaker
I was seeing Hocus Pocus with Jurassic Park next door. you hearing ne booming dinosaur stomps whole movie. That's exactly what I was going to say. So I was watching Hocus Pocus and I would hear like, boom, rah, like I would hear like the loud thuds and stuff like yeah I'm watching Hocus Pocus.
01:30:57
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this you know not particularly good like witch movie and um yeah i how like
01:31:12
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yeah i i i don't get it like mean i get it it's one of those things like but hocus pocus seems to be more like something that as a like as a kid like or Or once you grow up, you're like, yeah, but it wasn't that good.
01:31:30
Speaker
Like, Labyrinth is a movie where I looked back and was like, oh, this is probably still good. And and I'll say, i still think it's, like, decent. I don't think it's great. I think it's decent.
01:31:43
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um Like, Hocus Pocus was a bomb when it came out. It was a flop. I mean, maybe Labyrinth was too. I don't know. I think it famously might have been.
01:31:55
Speaker
Let's see here. Labyrinth. 1986 film. Uh... It its budget. It made over its budget. um And a lot of that budget was hairspray. It was. Yeah, it was. I mean, ah but ah I mean, I don't know. I can't say no to really cool puppets and costumes and creature effects.
01:32:21
Speaker
Which is better? Dark Crystal or? Oh, Labyrinth. Labyrinth. Labyrinth. How about Neverending Story if we throw it in there? Didn't see that. I've read it, but I haven't seen it. um Are you still reading it?
01:32:33
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Yeah. Yeah.
01:32:36
Speaker
sorry um i can't resist like like dark crystal is kind of boring did you watch um that netflix series how was that did you see that no there was a netflix series there was a netflix dark crystal one season show really called like age of resistance i had no idea um just watch is it cake
01:33:02
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uh yeah dark dark crystal age of resistance uh one season 10 episodes wow did you watch the willow reboot the what the willow reboot no i've never even seen willow so it's not you're missing anything yeah i mean i would argue hey ben here's my hot take yeah tron's kind of mid too well i I don't think that's a hot take at all. That's a hot take. People are trying to rehabilitate Tron.
01:33:29
Speaker
I only like Tron once Jared Leto was involved. That's what I got on board. I'm like, finally, finally. It's, it's very funny. I saw this. There was a story I saw circulating and we're obviously done with maniac mansion.
01:33:40
Speaker
I mean, it's a great game. Everybody go play. It's a classic. It's very good. Um, It's very funny. Like, so this new, and and I say this as someone that has absolutely no fondness or interest in, in Tron.
01:33:54
Speaker
Like I, I, I, the only time I've ever seen Tron was when I was a child and I had the flu. And so I was in and out. And like, so I only, and I think honestly, this is probably the best way to watch the original Tron.
01:34:08
Speaker
Like this is like feverish way. um But anyway, um I don't have any any interest or attachment to Tron. But there's this article, so it's like Tron Ares, which just came out.
01:34:23
Speaker
You know, if you're listening to this much later. ah Big Flop. Well, by then it may have turned it around. The word of mouth could have reversed that. But Tron, Tron Aries, massive flop. And it's like, all right, well, is this the end of ah ah the Tron as a franchise? And I'm like, probably not considering the thing is that Tron, like the space between Tron installments is measured in multiple decades.
01:34:51
Speaker
Yeah. Like, The first Tron comes out in 1983. Tron Legacy comes out in what, 2010? Has that had been that long? Yeah. Oh my gosh. I guess it has. Yeah. And then like Tron Aries comes out 15 years later.
01:35:08
Speaker
And like, it's like, yeah, we'll probably see another Tron like in like, you know, 2050, like, you know, yeah I mean, and the thing is Tron will always come back every few decades because then now forever, it looks fucking cool.
01:35:27
Speaker
And it's always going to look cool. Yeah, it looks kind cool. I mean, that's the thing. And plus there's a Disney ride at Disney World, Tron themed. And, you know they've got to keep that IP alive. ah So, you know, the same way they just pump out more and more Hocus Pocus merch every year to keep people, you know, just that growing cult of Hocus Pocus just on the rise.
01:35:49
Speaker
Got to do that with Tron too. Got make Tron IP. Tron pinball machine's really good. Tron Legacy. Yeah. Have you ever been sucked into it? Yes, I was Tron'd into the Tron pinball machine.
01:36:03
Speaker
How was that? Were like running from a giant silver ball and stuff? Yeah, exactly. you afraid of the dark episode? Did you have the disc? Were you like throwing the disc around and stuff? Yeah. Did you like Cycle?
01:36:13
Speaker
light cycled what was that like like i mean is i'm curious like when you light cycle in tron is there like a breeze on your face from the velocity or is there no like air and so like no air yeah yeah so it's like a frictionless experience yeah yeah you don't really feel anything you feel quite deadened i mean if you die in tron
01:36:41
Speaker
Cause he is dead inside. Yeah. Like he's, he's just a ah guy, not very like, well, I mean, God bless that guy's agent. Like for some reason, this guy it's not like, not only has he been the star of flo like multiple flops, but then also like everyone that's ever worked with him is like, this guy sucks.
01:37:02
Speaker
Yeah. And so it's like, it's not even that it's like, oh but you know, he's, he's really nice on the set. So like, we just want to give him another shot. Like, it's like, this guy sucks and no one likes him.
01:37:12
Speaker
Let's keep putting him in front of like multi, like you extremely like big franchise movies. and Nothing has ever like been a more ringing endorsement of what an amazing show my so-called life was than his continued career. Leto. I said leader aus ah like he was like the Duke.
01:37:33
Speaker
But I mean, it's remarkable that he is still working, but you know what? I bet that trauma movie's great.
01:37:41
Speaker
Are you going to see it? I'm going say it. It's going be my Hocus Pocus. Are you going to see it? Oh, no no no, no, no, no. You just want No, no. I decide I'm not seeing any more Jared Leto movies after I got the pre-release Morbius tattoo.
01:37:59
Speaker
And then that film turned out to be a real stinker. So I'm not falling for that trick again. All right. Well, folks, so this has been our podcast about Maniac Mansion. If you enjoyed it, if you have questions, if you have a story about revisiting with like a friend and disappointing them, ah like a movie that you loved in near your childhood but doesn't play the same as when you're an adult.
01:38:27
Speaker
Shoot us an email at questquestpodcast at gmail.com. We'd love to hear those. I feel like we had a lot of hot takes this episode. I feel like there's a lot to respond to, like candy opinions, movie opinions, that part where you're just really trashing Princess Bride so hardcore.
01:38:44
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If people have forgotten about that now toward the end of the podcast, just want to remind them that Ben was very much anti-Princess Bride and said Carrie Yules is not handsome, which I thought was really weird. was like, that's like his big thing.
01:38:59
Speaker
uh yeah i said all of those things yeah i'm just uh i i've got uh jared leto's uh wikipedia page open now and uh his uh personal uh life tab is harrowing um uh is it one of those that should be higher up in the entry like should be down at the ball at the bottom yeah this is one of those like it's like let's not bury the lead here this guy seems like a real something Let's see. What's it? What is it? Okay. now I'm scrolling in. ah
01:39:31
Speaker
Oh man. I forgot some of this stuff. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. There you go. Hmm. Yeah. See, seems like a real jerk. Yeah.
01:39:43
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Um, anyway, uh, but, uh, uh, uh, good reviews. Give them, uh, and join us. Next week, when wega we change the podcast ah from Adventure Games into a Maniac Mansion watch-along.
01:40:04
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Every week, 66 weeks, then we'll get back to Adventure Games. We'll see you then.
01:40:27
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Take a chance as we ever know The highs we're on, we'll take a lot And right before our eyes We'll find happiness, peace, and my maniac
01:40:58
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Back then.