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The Sea Beast (2022)
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In this episode, Satsunami and Andrew take to the high seas to discuss the Netflix Oscar nominee The Sea Beast. Can this film be tamed? Or is it more haddock than hit? Let's find out!
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Introduction and Host Introduction
00:00:05
Speaker
Welcome to Chad Tsunami. Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of Chad Tsunami. My name's Chad Tsunami and joining me on the poop deck today is another than my one and only first mate, Andrew. Andrew, welcome to the ship of hopes and dreams.
00:00:33
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Yarr, matey, glad to be aboard this here ship. God, that was terrible. Well, I mean, to be fair, neither of us are sailors, so you know what? Give us a pass, listeners. I have sailors' blood in my veins.
Weather and Seasonal Transition
00:00:47
Speaker
I've heard from a long line of sea beast hunters, also known as mariners. I also nearly got my head taken off by a sailboat once when the mast swung from left to right, so.
00:00:58
Speaker
much the same thing. Yeah, so you might say I'm something of a sea hunter myself, but yeah, how are you doing tonight, Andrew? Good. It's still pretty chilly in Canadian right now, but yeah, we're hopefully coming towards the end of the winter and moving into spring. Yep, I can only echo that sentiment because right now in good old Scotland, it is absolutely freezing, which ironically enough,
00:01:22
Speaker
as I'm talking to you, just looking at my Starbucks mug that I got from Canada. Well I say got from Canada, I was passing through in the airport so it's a technicality. I'll need to come over and get the full Toronto Experience mug. But yeah, I'm sipping on a coffee and I'm staving off the cold as indeed we're going to be discussing
00:01:41
Speaker
Yeah, a very interesting film.
Underrated Film Discussion 2022
00:01:45
Speaker
Maybe not as chilly or as cold as something like Klaus, but we are indeed going to be talking about a film that slipped under the radar in 2022.
00:01:57
Speaker
I don't know necessarily that slipped under the radar because whenever I was on Netflix, it would appear as like a preview for me just like all the time. I had to get like skipping past it and every time like I finish a movie, it'd be like the thing that Netflix kept recommending. So it didn't necessarily slip under the radar for me. It's been one I've been putting off for several months, I'd say, and just finally getting around to it because of Oscar season coming up.
00:02:17
Speaker
I have to say, I remember hearing about this film when they were promoting it and they were saying, oh, it's going to be the greatest animated film of all time, but like, oh, it's going to be a great animated film.
Netflix Animation vs. Major Studios
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Speaker
It's going to compete with Pixar's Remarks Elimination with, of course, Netflix.
00:02:35
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taking up their animation studio and I mean Netflix have done a good job, don't get me wrong they have done a great job in animation, we talked about Klaus which of course came out in 2019 and in Christmas last year we talked about that film in depth which that was a great film so it's quite interesting to see Netflix take
00:02:57
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you know, a step up and maybe their live-action stuff isn't hitting all the right notes but it's good to see that their animation stuff for the most part seems to be picking up the slack. Yeah, I mean I've just had a quick look at their sort of filmography that they've produced so far. Klaus was actually their first movie that they released. Technically, I think it was done prior to Netflix's involvement and then they kind of just got like the final kind of rights to it. So I don't know how much it technically counts but
00:03:23
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that but yeah there was quite a few other films I've not heard of. Was America the motion picture? Did you ever watch that? America the motion picture? Yeah, it's essentially like a fictional telling of the founding of America as an independent country and so it makes George Washington and various other characters seem like brat bros
Film Critique and Audience Poll
00:03:40
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kind of thing. It's really bizarre, it's very much like an adult animated film. Do not recommend it, it's terrible but I'm a sucker for slop like that so I did watch it. I was going to say that does sound very quintessentially American.
00:03:53
Speaker
It seems as if they put their eggs into one basket though when they actually do release these kind of films, because this is something you and I were talking about before we actually came on to record tonight, but it's the fact that Netflix don't just, and again they are infamous for just cold releasing a lot of shows, Cough Cough, JoJo's Bizarre Adventures Part 6, Cough Cough, but there have been a few that they've decided to release in cinemas before they actually release it on
00:04:21
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their service. And this is one of the ones that they actually did that on, wasn't it? They did that for Seabeast, and I think they also did it for the Guillermo del Toro Pinocchio, if I'm correct. So both of which have been nominated for Best Animated Picture at the Oscars. So it's interesting that Netflix holds the rights to contenders for Best Animated Picture, which is a very bizarre situation. You see the juggernauts of animation are not as well represented this year. Yeah, they're definitely keeping up, aren't they?
00:04:45
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just in 2022 they released five animated movies so they're being quite prolific with their releases now so they're really pumping out but I know they also fired a bunch of people from their animation side of things so I don't know if that's gonna continue. Yeah I mean ironically enough it is like a sinking ship and they are just bailing out the water to be like quick plug in the ECB's there or plug in
00:05:06
Speaker
can't even remember. There's like so many shows that they have brought out and then they've cancelled it and then people aren't happy. Yeah they did that with Inside Job where they've just kind of canned that and there was a lot of backlash around that and I think there's been several other animated pictures that they've not followed through with anymore.
00:05:21
Speaker
It does seem a shame though, especially for animation, because I'm not saying that live action has any less or more work to do compared to animation, but a lot of effort and care and everything. It is quite a different medium compared to live action, because in live action you are restricted by the laws of physics and everything. You have to be a little bit more realistic, even with all the CGI floating about. By the time that gets introduced,
00:05:49
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There's a whole hybrid between now as technically cartoonish, but when it comes to animation, and especially with this element particular, you have a medium where you can do a lot of very expressive things. You can create a whole world without necessarily being restricted, but other than the animator's fingers when they're trying to code and bring and render everything up.
00:06:15
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But before we go into this and deep dive into this film, I actually posted a question on Twitter today about this film. I was quite curious to hear what other people had to say, and you know usually when we've done this before, especially with our Spiderman Month series, we had people who said, oh I like this film or I like this series because of X, I didn't like it
00:06:37
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because of why. It was very diverse in the opinions that people were putting forward, but I've seen this to you before. A lot of people have one particular point that they keep bringing up about this film. I think I can guess what it might be. Is it with regards to similarity to How to Dream Your Dragon? Just a tad, yeah.
00:06:57
Speaker
Yeah, there certainly is comparisons to be made between this and How to Train Your Dragon, and it's something we will definitely touch on in more detail later in this episode. Of course, you being the resident expert of the How to Train Your Dragon series, you're definitely qualified to talk about the similarities of this, but yeah, it was a really
00:07:16
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I'm not going to lie, I'm not the biggest fan of it. I like them. I think they're good films and everything, but I mean, you know me, Andrew. I'm more of a Kung Fu Panda fan than I am. It's a Junior Dragon fan. There are all these reasons, you know why. You love dumplings, that's why. I do, yeah. The fact that a lot of people have been saying this, and you know that way when you hear that and you go, oh, it's just people being very
00:07:38
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hyperbolic. They're saying, oh, it's bad because of that. But then you actually watch the follow-up and you go, huh, this actually is very, not very similar, but there are definitely similarities. But you know what, same with any further ado, will we just set sail and try and find our, I was going to say white whale, but more of a red whale at this point. Yeah, we're all full of red bluster today. As we get the poop deck swabbed, we will be right back after these messages.
00:08:04
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a second poop deck and choke your mate. I can't, I'm not a sailor, okay? For legal reasons, I am not a sailor. I don't like the cut of your jib today. Promove that man. Welcome to Shatsunami, a variety podcast that discusses topics from gaming and films to anime and journal interests.
00:08:23
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Previously on Chatsunami, we've analysed what makes a good horror game, conducted a retrospective on Pierce Brosnan's runs James Bond, and listened to us take deep dives into both the Sonic and Halo franchises. Also, if you're an anime fan, then don't forget to check us out on our sub-series, Chatsunani, where we dive into the world of anime. So far, we've reviewed things like Death Note, Princess Mononoke, and the hit Bayblade series. If that sounds like you're a cup of tea, then you can check us out on Spotify, iTunes, and all big podcast apps. As always, stay safe,
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00:10:08
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So, Andrew, seeing as you of course were the one who proposed this topic today, I am going to give you the illustrious job of telling my lovely listeners at home, what the heck is the sea beast?
Plot and Animation of 'The Sea Beast'
00:10:21
Speaker
Yeah, no problem at all. So the sea beast is
00:10:23
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is a 2022 Netflix animated movie directed by Chris Williams, who actually grew up very near to where I live just now. So that was kind of a fun little fact to learn about. And the film is centered around a society where giant sea beasts exist and supposedly terrorize the seas. And so does the job of the
00:10:43
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hunters who have been sponsored by the royal family of a particular fictional country to hunt them down and remove the threat of them from the seas. What we end up seeing throughout the movie, through the kind of eyes of a little girl whose parents were killed by a sea beast as hunters, and one of our chief protagonists, Jacob, who is a hunter voiced by Colin Urban, is that the sea beasts may not be what we think they are. And
00:11:10
Speaker
that the story that they've been told all these years may not be correct. And if listeners at home you're hearing this and being like, pretty sure I saw three movies that kind of delved into that topic already, you are correct because that is pretty much the plot of How to Train Your Dragon. This film, other than the set piece, is slightly different. They were kind of in more of a piratey, renaissance type setting. But it is very much, it seems like Pirates of the Caribbean meets How to Train Your Dragon in like how the film is told in its setting.
00:11:38
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It's not really covering much new ground, but I will say that, and we'll get into this later, that the animation is very interesting, much like when High Trade Dragon came out initially, where it was so unique and interesting and beautiful. This film is gorgeous. I'd happily praise its animation and
00:11:59
Speaker
And actually fun fact about it is that it is the most successful Netflix animated film with supposedly they've said that 165 million hours have been viewed within the first five months of release. And the film has received quite a few nominations, including a nomination for best animated feature at the upcoming Oscars, which will have passed by the time that this film came out. So we'll see if CB1, I doubt it to be honest, but I'll happily eat my words if it does indeed win. I thought you were going to say eat your pirate cap.
00:12:27
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Yeah, I will eat my parrot cap and hoist my opinions up for all to mock. I mean, that's why I wear an actual hat in case I do have to eat my hat. This is 4D chess, you know? Definitely. I'm really getting ahead of the curve. It doesn't quite help when the seagulls come down into it though. To be fair, I've been talking with the panda lawyer. He has also been saying that I should really stop doing that because it's just like a legal nightmare of me getting attacked by seagulls the end of it. But you know what? I'm stubborn.
00:12:52
Speaker
It's the hell I will die on, dammit. But going back to a point that you were saying there, I 100% agree. The animation is so good in this film. I have to admit, I was getting Bioshock vibes at one point at the very beginning where the film opens and we see one of the characters as a younger version of themselves and they've been
00:13:13
Speaker
Not maroon, that's the wrong word, but you know they're hanging on to a piece of woods in the middle of the ocean. The ocean physics, like see the water physics in this. I thought it was incredible. That was my initial reaction when we first put the film on earlier this week, was just how beautiful the water animation was. There's a ship on fire at the very start and just like the animation of the wood on fire was just really really really good. I was very impressed by that. Although after Matt, I was tempted to text you the lyrics to, you know how Tarzan begins.
00:13:43
Speaker
two worlds, one family. Oh I was so tempted but I thought no sassy, don't do it, don't do it. Unlike this film the main character does not get adopted by a ragtag group of friendly girls. The intro is very strong and I would argue as well and maybe this is a cool take for this film. The intro in the first half of this film is relatively strong
00:14:07
Speaker
But then the second half, and again, again, this is a film made for kids and families and things, but would you say the first half of this film is where the strengths of the film lie? I would agree with that, and I actually hadn't thought of it that way, but one of the big issues I have with it is its pacing, and I think what it suffers from is, partway through, its pacing suffers much more so. I was very into the movie, and
00:14:31
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the first half. It's quite predictable. I turned to my partner and said to her like, I bet you these sea beasts aren't what we're led to believe. They're probably not bad. And she was like, Yeah, no, it does seem like it's leading that way. And yeah, that's kind of how it happened.
Character Analysis: Maisie
00:14:44
Speaker
And so spoilers for this movie, by the way, if we've not said it already. But there's a point in the film where the little girl character, Maisie, who will talk a little bit more depth in a second, she frees the sea beast who's captured because
00:14:57
Speaker
You can argue it seems probably like she sees that it's in distress and she has a moment of trying to help it, but also she sees that it's going to pull the ship down and the crewmates are going to get killed and she wants to help them. So it's hard to say what exactly is her motivation completely there, but she frees the beast and then ends up in the water. And the captain of the ship who's determined to kill this sea beast is about to kill her. And then the sea beast essentially rescues her and our other character, Jacob. And from that point onward,
00:15:24
Speaker
It's just really slow going. I and my partner lost interest a little bit. We stopped paying as much attention at that point. And there were several times I had to be like, what happened here? I wasn't really paying attention. So yeah, it suffers from that point on, I'd say. No, I was exactly the same. It's funny you say that.
00:15:41
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that you had to rewind to because I had to as well. I remember looking at other things, looking at my phone at that moment and then I went back to it and I'm like wait why are they on the back of the Red Bluster? Why are they doing this? I'm like oh right it's because of this. So why are they getting shot by cannons? Oh yeah it's because of that. And again no hatred towards the actors or anyone like that but I did not like Maisie's character
00:16:07
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in this film. And again, I don't know. Maybe it's because I'm an old man. I say that in my 30s. I'm an old man, you know? And obviously that is not the character that's going to resonate with me personally. But I just found as if she was just so annoying. She came out of nowhere and then all of a sudden it's like,
00:16:25
Speaker
Oh yeah, by the way, I found this super secret thing that nobody knew about as soon as you get to that moment, because there are some really good moments with Captain Crow and, is it Jacob, the main character? Or one of, sorry. I do think they are the strongest aspects of the movie, that the kind of relationship between Crow and Jacob is one of the better points. And it needs the Maisie character, I think,
00:16:48
Speaker
particularly for the audience it's targeting. She might not necessarily be an audience insert, but she does seem a little bit that way. She's often there to like monologue and provide context. Like there's a really cliche scene, which I kind of rolled my eyes at a little bit of her reading the bedtime story to all the other kids as a way of like exposition. She's like, she's the exposition dump character, essentially, is what I was looking for. I was like, Oh, we don't need this exposition dump character. And the whole kind of thing of like gives the exposition dump. And she's like, and now I'm on my way to cause mischief kind of thing. Oh, okay. You're that person.
00:17:16
Speaker
It's not an issue necessarily with her as a character itself. It's just the same as what we've seen. I've seen so many characters that are exactly like her in children's movies. It isn't interesting and it doesn't really seem grounded. I know this is a fantastical film. You always feel it's silly saying things like that, but you should still expect characters to feel like real people. She didn't feel like a real person.
00:17:39
Speaker
I can argue that the other characters did, that I felt the majority of the time that the rest of the characters in this movie felt like grounded people, but Maisie felt isolated from that, didn't work. Now that is a fair point though. She definitely just barrels her way into the story. Do you know what it almost feels like? And this is probably going to be the weirdest thing, or one of, sorry, the weirdest things I'll ever say in this podcast. It feels like a fan fiction version of Moby Dick.
00:18:08
Speaker
if the author put themselves into the Moby Dick story to fix all the wrongs and the morals and everything. Let's face it, this film very much takes from Moby Dick. There are a couple of loose references and everything, but obviously the most obvious one is the fact that Captain Crow is obsessed with
00:18:29
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catching the red bluster, that is his white whale as it were, because I know I joked earlier that it's not our white whale, it's our red bluster, but it is that obsession that drives him. And don't get me wrong, there are a lot of really interesting tidbits and things, you know, they built up this world and
00:18:48
Speaker
you want to know more. You want to know more about the different hunters and everything and the different associations that go on. Because there's one particular moment and I was kind of rethinking while we were talking about that, that at the very beginning they're chasing the Red Blaster and then all of a sudden they come across another huntership that's getting attacked by some weird squid monster thing.
00:19:09
Speaker
It's like an armoured squid thing. It's very interesting. I quite liked it. I will say that most of the designs are really well done for the monsters. Like I will come back to that in a second. But yeah, they go back and they rescue them. But there's never really any interactions
00:19:25
Speaker
other than maybe between a getting between Captain Crow and Jacob, it feels as if every single interaction, and this might sound weird, but every single interaction is put in the film to advance the plot. Like there's never any moment where they kind of stop and rest and talk to one another and they kind of establish relationships or anything.
00:19:46
Speaker
I don't know about that. I think there's a couple like the whole kind of conversation that Jacob and Crow have about Jacob succeeding him on the ship. I feel like that was like a relationship building. Like it wasn't necessary to advance the plot. It was just to kind of build upon their relationship and the characters there. Yeah, but that's what I mean. That's like, that's the only real time we get that.
00:20:04
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but the rest of it seems to be, as you were saying about Maisie, Maisie seems to be the exposition machine, you know, she says, oh I've got this book about monsters and oh did you know monsters were cool when she starts doing that really annoying thing which is really annoying in films recently and TV shows by extension where
00:20:23
Speaker
character just sits down and says, you're a famous person, number one. You've done X, Y and Z. And you're like, I know we've got to establish this character, but can we do it in a way that isn't pointing and reading a Wikipedia article? It really irks me when they do that. And again, I know, as a children's fellow and all that, I'm not expecting them to. No, no, that's not fair either, because, you know, DreamWorks picks are, and dare I say, elimination at times, they've done or not similar things.
00:20:51
Speaker
but they've done similar exposition scenes that are handled far better than some of the ones here. I'm not saying all the exposition scenes do fall flat, but there are a fair few that it just sits all over the place. And going back to your point about the pacing, I do agree. I feel as if at least for the first half, up until they get to the port again and everything and they're gearing up
00:21:14
Speaker
to go after the Red Blaster. I think that's a solid movie. And again, the animation's great, the characters are fairly entertaining, but then as soon as we have the whole Jacob and Maisie getting kidnapped by the Red Blaster, that's it. That's where it falls down for me personally. And what I don't like, and this is where I can understand why people are making the comparisons, not even the fact that obviously it's a, oh monsters are actually good, they're not bad thing that obviously they make the
00:21:44
Speaker
comparisons between that and how to train your dragon. But something that I noticed was the design of the creature.
Creature Comparisons
00:21:51
Speaker
They try to make it look fierce, but not fierce enough that when they have a gentle moment, they can tweak the design slightly so it looks like a lot more of a gentle creature. Exactly what they do with Toothless.
00:22:04
Speaker
Yeah, I was gonna say the beast looks just like toothless. Like it's the slick design, the kind of the way the head is shaped is so much like how they designed toothless. And they do this in high training dragons as well, because they know before you see the Night Fury, you see all these other dragons, which especially like the, the one that sets itself on fire. It's like gigantic a convert's name now.
00:22:23
Speaker
it looks like a scary dragon. And so I guess like when you see the armored sea beast, that you're getting that same kind of thing of like, this is what sea beasts look like, they have these weapons at their disposal, but then you don't really understand what the bread blusters deal is, because it doesn't really have any of that kind of stuff. It isn't particularly armored, it doesn't seem to have like tentacles like the other one does, it just seems to kind of have its big mouth, but like, that doesn't really seem any different from the other ones. So
00:22:45
Speaker
Yeah, it just seems so copycat for Toothless, which was an odd choice, I guess, as you say, it was to try and distinguish so you can have what could be, yeah, like an empathetical kind of creature that seems kind of kind, really, it does suffer from that. And the scene you were talking about before where they come back to the port,
00:23:00
Speaker
and Maisie kind of introduced herself. That is actually that exact scene where Maisie kind of pops up is that clip was what Netflix used on Netflix as like a preview reel of the film. And that is what kind of put me off of watching the film initially. And it wasn't until I saw that I had this Oscar buzz around it. I was like, all right, I'll check this out. I'd like to sort of have like an opinion on more than a couple of the films that are in the Oscars. And so we ended up watching that.
00:23:24
Speaker
The film is better than that scene lets on, but that scene is pretty painful. And I do think that it suffers from that. It suffers from the fact that it seems like it's trying to be How to Train Your Dragon. It's definitely the turning point, that scene. I feel as if that is definitely the scene that probably divides the film from being this. I was about to say Root and Tooten, and I've got no idea why, just this Root and Tooten adventure on the high seas, your matey, etc.
00:23:50
Speaker
And yeah, can you tell a few pirates go next to clown school, of course, but yeah, I thought, OK, this is pretty solid. You know, we've got beautiful animation. We've got a solid crew on the inevitable, which I have to say, I love the design of the ship.
00:24:05
Speaker
Yeah, I do as well. I have to say, like, that was something that sort of stood out to me as well. I thought it was a very clever design. And you were talking earlier about this, like, ship that they kind of encounter that's under attack that they help out. They reference for a couple of times, like, the code in the movie. And as you say, like, it would have been nice to kind of see some other pirate captains kind of interacting with Crow that it wasn't like instead, we got the admiral from the King and Queen interacting a little bit with him. But like, we didn't get to see really any of the other hunter ships that we'd hear about the monarch.
00:24:50
Speaker
Oh look, it's the inevitable, it's Captain Groll and everything, but the hunters clearly make it knowing that they know who they are and think so. It wouldn't be too far fetched for them to have interactions, but what I'm laughing at is the fact that the very end, again going onto spoiler territory here, but the very end, but
00:25:00
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which was Maisie's parentship that went down.
00:25:08
Speaker
There's a scene at the end of course where Meezy exposes the Ono turns out humans were the bad guys all along and the monsters are just defending themselves. And I think it's Jacob that basically declares monster hunting's over. And it reminds me of that scene out of South Park and this is something you and I were talking about. It's that scene out of South Park where it's just all the hunters and the crown just saying like, oh my gosh, they took our jobs. You know, he just said, oh yeah, you can no longer hunt anymore. And obviously, you know,
00:25:37
Speaker
why from a viewer perspective, you know, why? Because of the conspiracy for whatever reason which comes out. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So I'm just going to jump into that because that is something that is really weird that she discovers that this has all been a big
00:25:53
Speaker
thing that the crown did hundreds of years ago or however long ago to turn humans against the sea beasts for their gain I guess maybe just to kind of control the high seas maybe but like they don't ever actually elaborate on like she like discovers in a book she's like
00:26:09
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it was
Conspiracy and Animation Landscape
00:26:39
Speaker
make sense. But yeah, they set up that there's an explanation for why the beasts were being hunted. And then we don't get it. It seems very strange. Like at the end, Crow throws down his sword and kind of like, I'm no longer going to hunt the sea beasts kind of thing. But we don't really know like what his position was at that point as well. It's a difficult one, because I'm very much in the opinion that not over explaining yourself is better in shows and movies.
00:27:01
Speaker
You can let the audience kind of make their own conclusions. You can trust the audience intelligence. But there are times in films where I feel like you haven't properly explained yourself and you haven't tied up a particular loose end that should have been tied up. So I think it is a difficult one to say when it's okay and when it's not, but I do not feel like this film appropriately concluded storylines that it started.
00:27:23
Speaker
I mean, it's a certified Steam Ham moment where they say, can I get an explanation for this? No, no you can. And you're completely right, there is definitely that show, don't tell kind of storytelling and especially for kids films, there's a fine line between trying to make something that is understandable for all ages and everything but making sure that kids understand it and everything and don't get me wrong, I think that kids would understand this film but
00:27:50
Speaker
yeah at the same time they never really go into great detail about it. Maisie has this huge impassioned speech where she's like, oh my family died on the monarch and I'm allowed to say this, I have every right to blah blah blah, which I have to say she's got one hell of a speaking voice because the way she's yelling all of that, I wouldn't be able to hear that if I was like hundreds of miles away from
00:28:14
Speaker
autumn. I have every ride the king and queen but then you think back to the crowd who are below that I bust down everything that all they hear probably is.
00:28:26
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They're like, what? Speak up! What? The crown is really bad, guys. You did like weird stuff. Hunting the sea beasts. I know I can suspend this, but wait for that. You know, I'm being facetious there, but there's a lot of moments that just come out of absolute nowhere. Like, especially when Captain Crow finds a witch doctor or something.
00:28:47
Speaker
god. The witch doctor can't just like point this out before you put it. I actually texted you while I was watching that and basically a long story short, he makes a deal with this witch doctor or whatever person and she gives him this weapon to bring down the red blister. She makes a big thing and says, oh you're gonna lose everything and you know spoilers he really doesn't. That's a lot of rants.
00:29:09
Speaker
But I remember watching where he fires the weapon. And this thing, I thought this was a harpoon. This thing is a bloody missile. And I was texting you Andrew at the time. I was like, did this witch not to give him a bloody intercontinental ballistic missile or something? I was like, what is going on here? Yeah, but sorry. What were your thoughts Andrew?
00:29:28
Speaker
But in fairness, I stepped out from the lounge to go get some food when they went to see the witch doctor. So I did miss that scene. I asked my partner to recap me. So I got a little bit of a recap of what happened. But my understanding was that the crew were like, you can't go to the witch doctor. There's going to the witch doctor, not the witch doctor. You'll make a deal that you'll immediately regret. The price is too great. The price is too great. They kept saying that. Then Dr. Hammond comes in and is like, no, Spencer's prepared.
00:29:53
Speaker
We don't actually see as far as I'm aware, we don't actually see what this severe price was for getting this, as you say, intercontinental ballistic missile, because he fires it, it works. And then we don't hear about it again. So is that coming back in the sequel? Is that going to be like an important thing that they've set up for the sequel? Or did they just get lazy and forget about that storyline? Because I don't think it was necessary.
00:30:14
Speaker
I feel like they could have just fired a harpoon at it, a regular ass harpoon, and they would have had, because they're big hunters, and they probably would have gotten a special weapon for it. They didn't need this entire spin-off arc where they go to this taboo place to get the bad weapon.
00:30:29
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seems like it wasn't necessary to the film and at this point the pacing was already suffering so I think if they'd just removed that entire section it would have helped to be honest. And again I know I keep going back to see if the phone goes bad by the beginning of the second half.
00:30:45
Speaker
but the fact is after Maisie gets on the ship everything becomes very much paint by numbers I feel. You've got the understanding of the monster, you've got the sidekick that's meant to be a cute plushy toy eventually because you have the blue monster, you've got the old Jacob who is clearly like a competent
00:31:08
Speaker
sailor and monster hunter and everything. Oh, he's stepping over the eggs. And after that, they were pretty cool. Or not cool, but cute. Those seal creature things. They made a reference to Alien in that scene. Oh, yeah, yeah. The bursting out your chest cavity. Yeah. See, I liked that up until Maisie was like, that's oddly specific. And it's like, shut up, Maisie. Shut up. It's like, don't ruin this for me. I'm 30 years old. I know what Alien is. Me getting angry at a child. Name a more iconic duo.
00:31:37
Speaker
But yeah then of course you have to have the good guy turning bad and they go see. I know I called them a witch doctor but I think according to Wikipedia it's an elderly merchant. But that's what it feels like. The way they have this mysticism around them and they're like, oh look at this harpoon. Because first of all, is this a harpoon for the Red Blisters? Or is it just a general harpoon?
00:32:01
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going to kill? Well obviously he doesn't kill, which makes me think, well, the poison that clearly fails, or is going to turn him into a llama, who knows at this point? And then you've just got everything that's just by the numbers, the monster does something monstrous, and Jacob goes, oh no, you can't hurt him easy, even though he accidentally hurts her, and you just know what's going to happen. And again, I'm not expecting
00:32:25
Speaker
I don't know, usual suspects levels of twists and turns, you know, but I mean, at the same time, it's just it's very by the numbers. Yeah, it does. It does seem like it's going through the motion of the ocean at that point. Like it's it does suffer, as you've said, is it is very paint by the numbers. It is very obvious how the film concludes that they capture the beast
00:32:45
Speaker
they take it alive back to the king and queen of course it then is freed by our main characters plus the best mate and then the beast causes a bit of havoc and then is stopped by Maisie from killing crow and then we have like the whole scene where Maisie's like they're actually not bad at all they is the king and queen's where is all the bad people are
00:33:05
Speaker
Revolt, everyone. Oh, sorry, can I just interject for a second and say that, see these pirate accents other than the captain crew and the couple other the crew? I feel as if Maisie especially and maybe by extension Carl Urban, they did sound like they were trying obviously to put on the accent but it sounded like posh people trying to put on the pirate accent. Yarr ee mateys. I think you mean Yarr ee matey.
00:33:33
Speaker
I was listening to it thinking, is this how they think pirates talk? Again, it wasn't the worst thing I've ever heard,
Authenticity in Portrayal
00:33:39
Speaker
but I thought... It did feel like the least natural accent that I've ever heard. Yeah, I was kind of hoping that Maisie, like the actress, stuck to her own accent, you know, rather than putting on this. Oh, hi! What's up? The Scottish story. Oh, hi, the news! Oh, hi, the news!
00:33:56
Speaker
Do you care what I mean? I'm doing some sea beasts. Never just want to see Mrs. Doubtfire on the fire ship. It was a dreaded fire harpooning in the air. Hope is on the way, red luster. Hope is on the way. Oh, Netflix, phone us up. We've got a thousand of these ideas.
00:34:16
Speaker
Yeah, the accent. Again, you could probably maybe argue that, oh, that's part of our character, that she's pretending to be a spider and everything. I know it's hunters, not pirates, but she's pretending to be part of this world that she's not. It sounded like she was playing D&D. It sounded like she was playing a D&D voice.
00:34:37
Speaker
It was so weird. I was like, oh, we're watching Critical Role now, are we? You're completely right. That's exactly what it sounded like. She was putting her D&D character in to be like, and I save all the monsters! Can I just say, speaking of monsters, you were talking earlier about how this monster has nothing, you know, really iconic about it, yet somehow it's the most feared and everything.
00:35:00
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Also, can I just say as well, excuse my language here, but how the bloody hell can they not find this creature that is massive and bright red? Because there's a particular quote, I'm going to bring this up, a particular quote that Captain Crow says is like, for 30 years I've been searching and I'm like, how?
00:35:18
Speaker
you miss this thing. This thing doesn't even dive deep into the water at times, except that one scene where he does the, you know, the Homer backing into a hedge thing, where it gets under the water and it looks at them and it just backs slowly into the bottom. How they can catch it before I don't know, obviously, there would be a fellow. But going off on that point, there's a particular scene where the Red Blaster fights this terrifying crab
00:35:42
Speaker
Oh, it is horrifying. When it has Jacob near its mouth and there's little claw pincery kind of teeth thingies and clawing at him. Ah, I got complete shivers up my spine there. That's what I was thinking though. I was like, where's the king and queen's decree to take that thing down?
00:35:58
Speaker
Well, that's another point I was going to make. Does that count as a sea beast? Is that something different? Because clearly that isn't the nice, gentle mind that the red bluster has. Which of these beasts are the kind beasts and which of them are horrible crab monsters?
00:36:14
Speaker
Because that walrus one that chases them, it looks kind of like, oh, it's after them. But then it backs off when you realize that they actually still had one of its babies. And when they returned that, it was like, okay, laters. And then the red bluster is kind to them and helps them out and that kind of thing. But then you have the crab beast. And it's like, are you sentient? I mean, of course, it's sentient. But do you have that kind of intelligence and compassion that these other creatures seem to have? Or are you just a brainless monster?
00:36:39
Speaker
real question is and it's going back to our discussion on you know how we were talking about how they don't really clarify the whole, oh the king and queen had this conspiracy to hunt down all the monsters. I'm sorry if I saw that crab creature I would be in the king and queen side. I would be like screw the red blaster. Have you seen this crab creature? They keep saying this thing that all of the sea beasts used to come on land and everything and you know it's very much attack on titan.
00:37:07
Speaker
it's got like thousands of years little sea beasts came on our lands and then you know the hunters came along which I don't quite get how that works because they're already seafaring people or did they just charge them away from the land? Like again you're completely right how are they going to stop a crab creature? I don't think being nice to that crab creature is going to stop it.
00:37:27
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Yeah, that crab creature was, like, armoured as well. Like, he managed to throw a harpoon into its joint. It was like a leg joint that, like, stopped it from moving very easily. So it has, like, little weak points. If you're finding that on the land, you're screwed. The red bluster doesn't even kill it. It, like, chucks it really far. Yeah, but even the red bluster has issues taking it down. So then that makes me think, is this, like, the endgame villain here? You know, because the red bluster for all its, ironically enough, all its bluster. Is that the worst creature out there? So why is this one?
00:37:57
Speaker
other than the fact it's massive and it tears through clearly the British-inspired, or maybe Spanish, I don't know, the Navy ship that they bring out, and then they make a big thing saying, oh, it's too low, and everything, and that's never going to take down the Red Bluster, and surprise, surprise. But one thing actually I want to point out in that scene where the Red Bluster takes down that ship is how brutal that is. Oh my God, it just breaks through. It's like, you know the last scene in The Pirates of the Caribbean? Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking.
00:38:27
Speaker
going down the stairs. That's exactly what it was, you're right. Oh, that was brutal. Because all of those people probably died. Oh, there were so many deaths in this, for sure.
Intense Scenes and Music
00:38:40
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Yeah, that red bluster definitely killed a bunch of people. So the red bluster has a body count. Yeah, it's the good guy. A bit like Spider-Man, but that's another discussion.
00:38:49
Speaker
I want to bring up this is just a brief thing that like it bothered me when I was watching it was they were inside the red bluster at one point they were like climbed up through its mouth up to his nose and then they looked out through its nostrils into the water like it was a window of like a ship how does that work
00:39:05
Speaker
Because my understanding with creatures like that is they can close their nostrils, I guess, or like a layer, like a porous kind of like layer or non-porous layer, I guess, that prevents the water from going directly into the nose into them. But I'm pretty sure it's not like a window. It doesn't seem like there was anything there like stopping like they could just go through the nostril up to their head, in which case water should be going in there and they should not be able to stand there and look out into the ocean. While you were talking, I actually googled do fish have nostrils.
00:39:34
Speaker
because it's not something I really thought of until this episode. I'm like, wait, do they have? Apparently most fish, fun fact, most fish have four nostrils. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I've seen fish nostrils. You look like a shark, say. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's got the nostrils there. I don't know what sea beasts would be classified as if they're mammals or reptiles or fish. The Red Boster does come on land.
00:39:57
Speaker
and everything and it kind of crawls with its fins and everything. It's almost like an amphibian at times, yeah. Going back to my point, they do make the point of, oh, they came on land and they destroyed our cities and everything. How? Some of them I can understand, like the horrific crab creature I can understand, but what about the tentacle dinosaur one? Did that climb on that?
00:40:20
Speaker
or did they just throw boats at? This is an attack on Titan situation. If they come close enough to the shore, the tentacle guy could just grab people from the shore. And the whole thing about grabbing ladies from their veggie patches, she kept saying that was really annoying. I actually enjoyed watching this movie for the most part. It doesn't seem like it from our discussion.
00:40:38
Speaker
But I did actually enjoy the movie. One thing I really liked was the music as well. I thought that the sea shanties they had, the score from the movie was very good. It gave very much John Powell, who did the score for how to train a dragon. And so my partner actually ended up looking up just to double check and it's not it's Mark Manchina.
00:40:55
Speaker
who composed the film score. That was really good. I like the kind of use of bagpipes and the use of, I think, some like violin and flute kind of music going on there. It was really interesting. No, I completely agree with that. When they brought out the bagpipe guy, you know, I got a bit... Theory-eyed. Yeah, a bit misty-eyed. We were like, oh, there's my National Pride kicking in.
00:41:15
Speaker
I thought that was cool when they had the sea shanties and everything. I was half expecting, I'm glad they didn't, but I was half expecting a remix or a rendition of Weleman or something like that, but thankfully they did all their own things. But actually, funny enough, speaking of that particular composer, he has actually composed quite a few
00:41:37
Speaker
you interesting ones, like he did some stuff on Ironically Enough Tarzan as well, which first things that same beginning, and then Brother Bear and Moana. So he's well suited for it. Can I just point out one kind of funny thing, and this is something that you and I were talking about before, but the fact that there's not a lot of trivia on
00:41:58
Speaker
this film. This is quite weird because usually, you know, in the chats with Amish studios, we are professionals of course, but we usually look up the trivia, you know, the behind the scenes stuff. But for this film, it was very lacklustre. I have to say, you know, we've got the stuff about the composer, the fact of sequels and development, the fact that, according to IMDB as well, I was looking this up and they were saying how the navigational commands and things are relatively realistic
00:42:26
Speaker
for a film like this about seafaring and sea travel and I thought that was cool. There was a couple of things they shouted out which I just like a sea terms I was like that has to be made up there's no way that's a real thing but like if you're saying that they've been praised for the seafaring terms then maybe maybe it was correct I can't remember what they said now but I was like that's not a thing.
00:42:44
Speaker
all I would say is 242 people out of 249 found that fact interesting. That's how democracy works. Yeah, exactly. I can't disagree with the masses then. So, as I was saying, this is very fierce in terms of the trivia and I decided I was looking for sources like that.
00:43:04
Speaker
must be something more. And I'm not going to name names, you know, I'm not going to do any one in the last year, but there was a particular website that I looked up and they put top 30 facts about the Seabeast that I thought, oh this is going to be good, this is going to be really in depth. So, number one, the Seabeast is a 2022 computer animated adventure fellow.
00:43:25
Speaker
Yep, that is a fact. It's what it says in the term. That is indeed a fact. And I mean, it talks about the very basic facts like it stars Carl Orban, Zarecine, Joel Hatter, and Jared Harris, Mary Andrew and Martisio. It talks about all these actors and actresses. This is my favourite one, right? Number six. Number six. The film began a limited theatre release on June 24th, 2022. Number seven.
00:43:53
Speaker
Oh my god. Before debuting on Netflix on July 8th, number eight, it received content on a flamethrower. Oh, that's not a fact. It just makes them one thing. You don't need them to be too separate facts.
00:44:09
Speaker
Do you know what I think? I think whoever wrote this, they put the article through Microsoft Word and then they did the, you know, when you highlight and put the bullet points which said you put numbered points. Yeah, I think that's what they've done. They've just like gone through there right up and just put them in.
00:44:25
Speaker
It's awful. I got so lazy. My partner was interested after we finished watching the movie, like what the consensus was on this. And I asked me like if I'd heard anything from my usual kind of people I'd read and listen to reviews from. And I was like, no, I've literally heard nothing about this.
00:44:41
Speaker
And so she looked into like an IGN review online, and Nick said what we were kind of thinking about the struggle with pacing, that there was issues with a lot of storylines that they started and didn't tie up. But it generally was relatively praised for like how beautiful animation it was, and like how lovely the music score was, which I agree with both those things. There's so many merits to this movie, and it's not a bad movie. As much criticism as we've given it and pointed out the things we aren't happy about with this, it is certainly a watchable
Conclusion and Final Thoughts
00:45:07
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film. I wouldn't watch it.
00:45:08
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again immediately, but I wouldn't be opposed to watching it again down the line. I do think it was decent film. Well, according to this, and this is the last time I've referenced this, but according to this trivia site, on the review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes, the film holds a 95% rating. Fact 17, based on 91 critics' reviews, number 18, with an average rating of 7.5 out of 10. That's not three facts, that's one fact.
00:45:36
Speaker
Number 21 is based on 20 critics, which if you don't have 0.20, I don't think you're going to get it. You're going to be lost. If you're given just 0.22 about the others, you're going to be like, what the fuck are you doing there? Oh, 0.22 is fantastic. 0.22, indicating favorable reviews. Oh, wow, this is great. It's like what they've done is you're like on a Word document and you try to bullet point something and it ends up- Yeah, that's what I was saying. Yeah, it ends up bullet pointing like parts of the sentence that didn't mean to be bullet pointed.
00:46:06
Speaker
Yeah, it does exactly, yes. So, no, no, no, you're completely right. I completely agree with you. Oh, it's an experience, yeah. I feel as if I got more entertainment from that in the second half of this. That's fair.
00:46:21
Speaker
a popcard like Tell Me More, but just as a kind of summary, at least for myself, I completely agree with you. I do think that this film is not the worst animated film I've ever seen that I've seen before.
00:46:36
Speaker
far, far worse triangle order but I mean the animation this beautiful, the score is lovely as well. There are some very strong characters here. I will say there's like a very good cast of actors and characters on display here.
00:46:54
Speaker
And again, I feel bad for saying this because I don't want to be like that bitter angry guy moaning a bit of kids for him. But I'm good at anyway. Yeah, there are definite with some folks. Like if you're looking at it from a critical perspective, which I know not many people will, but if you're looking at it from that angle, it doesn't hold up to maybe something that's done better, like how to train your dragon.
00:47:15
Speaker
that clearly does it far, far better than this film. On its own merits, it's not a bad film. I wouldn't say it's the best, but it's not the worst film. It's kind of like that middling, maybe just over middling. I would say it's like more towards the good side than it is the bad, by all means. At the end of the day, I do think the kids probably will like this, and that's the main thing, you know, that's the target audience, but
00:47:38
Speaker
Yeah, I suppose I would recommend it. I wouldn't recommend it with glowing reviews. You know, I wouldn't go to people and say, oh, you have to watch the Sea Beasts. The Sea Beasts are amazing. It's awesome. You know, it's a bit like you and I were talking about this a couple of days ago about how you were watching
00:47:53
Speaker
Puss in Boots the Last Wish and ever since that film's came out I have heard nothing but praise and recommendations to watch that film and oh you should definitely watch it, it's one of the best animation films of all time. I have to admit after I heard about this film, maybe saw a couple of trailers at the time, it really just left my head, it never really left an impact on me in terms of marketing and then
00:48:17
Speaker
I actually don't remember it until you brought it up when you were talking about the Oscars and things like that and if it does get an Oscar for an animation then definitely well deserved. I have a question, have you watched any of the other nominations? What are the other nominations? I think I remember them all off the top of my head.
00:48:42
Speaker
turning red, there is also the Guillermo del Toro Pinocchio movie, Marcel the Shell with Shoes on, which I've heard nothing but good things about. A coworker of mine was praising that and saying that if that doesn't win best animated, then they'll go straight to LA to logic complaint rather. There's also Puss in Boots, which I saw yesterday. Yeah. Have you seen any of those?
00:49:02
Speaker
Yeah, I've only seen a handful of those to be honest. It does seem like a strong list though. The second last one you brought up there, I don't think I've heard of that one. I have to say, I mean, I've heard obviously of the Pinocchio one, heard of the obviously Puss in Boots, heard good things about a lot of the other problems. I've not really heard much about that. Turning raids!
00:49:24
Speaker
Again, I did a short episode where I talked about my feelings on it, and again, I don't know how well that's going to compare to the other ones. Look at that, I personally think it's a good film, but compared to some of those, and it's the same as Seabees as well, like both of those. In fact, all of those films, I would probably say, bar the, as I said, the second last one, because I'm afraid I don't know much about that, but
00:49:46
Speaker
most of those columns seem to be very strong contenders and I know that's obviously like a very lukewarm take because you know it's the Oscars of course they're gonna be great if they get nominated for it but they're certainly some competition there like what about yourself have you seen them all?
00:50:02
Speaker
I've not seen Marcella Sheld with shoes on, and I've not seen the Guillermo del Toro Pinocchio, but I have seen Turning Red, Seabeast, and Puss in Boots. I think of those three, Puss in Boots would probably be my pick, but it's quite a tight one, actually, because there's been previous years where you're like, oh, that one's not going to win. Oh, like that one's probably like the shoe in kind of thing.
00:50:20
Speaker
I don't think that's the case this time. I think there is an argument for probably each film. I wasn't really interested in the Pinocchio movie, so I don't really know what the kind of reception around that is. But yeah, I think Seabeast is in with a shout. I think it is probably the least likely of the movies to win, in my opinion.
00:50:39
Speaker
yeah I would totally agree with that. It's a serviceable film and I hate to say that because obviously there has been a lot of attention to this film you know with the animation with the music with everything else with obviously the people that they're brought into it but at the same time I think compared to even compared to turning red obviously they're two different films but comparing them to a lot of the other films that seem well very much more are
00:51:07
Speaker
if that makes sense. But this one seems like straight up an action film about oh good humans versus bad monsters and then oh no just kidding, let's flip it around. So it's very basic in comparison, I'm not very basic so I don't want to be a prat say those, but you know it's quite basic in comparison to something like turning red or Pinocchio or you know the others. It does seem
00:51:35
Speaker
like that. And I know I'm saying that the same way as Puss in Boots the Last Wish. Which is wild. I was saying that to my partner yesterday when we watched Puss in Boots that it seems so odd saying like, to your co-workers, what film are you going to watch this weekend? Oh, I'm going to watch Puss in Boots the Last Wish. It feels like you're saying I'm going to watch Boss Baby. But it's not. It's genuinely a well-received and it's a good movie. It was very good.
00:51:58
Speaker
One interesting thing about just this list of nominees is there is no Disney animated studio's movie nominated. Really? Turning red is Pixar. So it is a Disney property, but it's not a Disney animation studio property. There were a couple of Disney animation studio films that came out in the last year. Like there was that one was called like Strange Worlds or something. Oh yeah. I haven't seen that personally, but I hear that flocked massively.
00:52:24
Speaker
I saw it when it came out on Disney+, and yeah, it's not very interesting to be honest. Similar to this, similar to Seabeast, it is very predictable by the numbers, doesn't really do anything particularly interesting. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, but I think this might be the first year without a inclusion by them in Best Time Made Feature, which is very strange. I'm just having a look at the films that they've actually done recently.
00:52:46
Speaker
and yeah strange world seems to be like the latest one that they've got because the one before that was Encanto and then the one before that which Encanto was great don't get me wrong but yeah the one before that was Ryan the last dragon then you've got the thrones in there alpharex the internet Moana you know it keeps going back so
00:53:04
Speaker
I have to admit, I haven't really heard great things. Raya wasn't good either, so yeah, they've really gone a bit of a downward turn at the moment. There was a period in the 80s when Disney were really, really suffering with their content, and I'm wondering if there's similar happening here. It's
00:53:21
Speaker
interesting, though, because it's such a rich period for them for other content. They've got all the Star Wars stuff happening right now. They've got all the Marvel stuff happening right now. But the original bread and butter of the Disney animated studios films are pretty subpar. So it's interesting if there's going to be a bit of a turnaround. Encanto was good. I was saying Encanto was very good. So I would say they've had one really good film in the last, I'd say, four or five years, really. The studio is not doing great in that regard. I was going to say all the Ralph Blix the Internet fans are coming for you.
00:53:50
Speaker
Off-race internet was okay. Frozen 2 was okay. Everything else was less than okay. I don't think that they're doing great at the moment. Actually, just out of curiosity while you were saying about the 80s being a dark period, because I think it was about 1989 where the Disney Renaissance started picking up steam. Little Mermaid came out and that kind of picked it off, yeah.
00:54:12
Speaker
Yeah, and then you've got the classics like Beauty and the Beast, The Ladder, Lion King, Pocahontas, you know, like just everything coming out. But I'm looking at the films from the 80s. Oh yeah, these are some very divided. You've got The Fox and The Hound, which don't get me wrong, you've got the tearjerker there.
00:54:27
Speaker
But then you've got very long moments. You've got the Black Cauldron. That was one of the darkest times for them was the Black Cauldron because it flopped so hard and they got really concerned. There's a lot of interesting stuff that other folks have done dissecting that period of time in Disney's career. A good podcast recommendation that I would have if you're interested in more about that. Not to guide them away from here. I don't think we're- Whoa, whoa, whoa.
00:54:51
Speaker
I was qualified to discuss that, but the What a Cartoon podcast does some excellent breakdowns in their movie research about what the situation was like for Disney during this period, so I'd recommend listening to them. Oh god, I'm just looking at the other ones as well. I mean, the great mouse detective I've
00:55:09
Speaker
here. Some people were fans but... It's a bit of a cult classic one actually. People that grew up with it love it. I quite liked it. My brother's wife adores The Great Master Detective. She really likes it. And similar for me, The Fox and the Hound is one I grew up with. It's incredibly depressing in one scene but I grew up with it and I have quite fond memories of it from that regard.
00:55:28
Speaker
I think the last one before the Renaissance was Oliver & Company, which I don't, I really don't. Is that the one with the cats? It's the cat and the dog. Yeah, and there was... Oh, I'm thinking of the aristocats. Yeah. Yeah. There's that famous singer that sings in Oliver & Company. Who was it? Billy Joel. Billy Joel. Yeah, it was a Billy Joel movie. I love how for the last part of this discussion we were just like, yeah, let's talk about Disney and
00:55:52
Speaker
Well, yeah, it's... Yeah, I know, I know. We are the Tangent podcast. Yeah, I mean, you don't get a variety of podcasts by staying on topic for one niche. You've got to expand, you've got to expand to accumulate that audience. But yeah, going briefly back though to the CBC, do you have any final thoughts about this particular problem? Would you recommend it in the same vein as these other Disney films?
00:56:17
Speaker
No, I don't think I would give a high recommendation. If I said to someone, I just watched this film, they said, how was it? Should I watch it? I'll tell them it's a pretty film. I don't recommend it as such. I won't say that's a bad film, if you would be interested in watching it. And again, like what we're saying earlier, like the background animation, the character animation is very interesting. Each character is very unique in how they're designed, quite like, and the music score are the particular highlights for me of this film.
00:56:40
Speaker
The story's okay. The story's okay. But as we pointed out, it's not an original kind of story. It's copied successful films of the past and also not quite fulfilled aspects of the story that it sets up. So I will be coming back to watch the sequel. I am interested enough in this, invested enough that I would like to know what the sequel gives us. But I do not think this is an Oscar-worthy movie. I would completely agree with that. I do think the SFO
00:57:08
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good enough for them to pass the time and everything. As I said, the visuals are pretty. It almost reminds me of a love, death and robots thing for kids, you know, because just the animation is stunning at times and then other times you're like, I don't know. But you know, the fact that it is like mainly a sea-faring
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movie and everything. That is the main thing they get right, and I completely agree this album looks gorgeous. The soundtrack is great, the incorporation of sea shanties and that camaraderie on the ship. Absolutely fantastic, absolutely love that in particular. Again, as I said by the second half of the film,
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gets really paid by the numbers and everything, you know, everything I kind of said before but it's alright, you know, if you've got time to waste then sure, check it out. I know there's a lot of people who do love this film though, like I don't want to take that away from them and say, you're a pain who's wrong but genuinely if you love this film, all power to you. It is a good enough film I think but it'll be interesting to see what they do with the sequel, whether they will
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banned on the monster world or is it just going to be like, oh we're living in peace and harmony and then there's going to be like an evil guy that raises the monsters against humanity and then the hunters have to come back away and that'll be the sequel but you know they're living in peace and harmony and everything and it'll be like the king and queen or something will be working in chaos with that shady evil elderly merchant witch dogs.
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the giant harpoon myself. Yeah, no, it's alright. It's an alright phalom. You know, if you're curious, go check it out. I mean, the phalom's like an hour 55, so yeah, if you've got that time, then go check it out. But once again, Andrew, thank you so much for joining me atop the crow's nest of this.
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Thank you for having me. It was a good discussion. I think I managed to dig up some negatives for this film that I didn't realise I had by this discussion, but it's been a great chat and I hope the listeners have enjoyed our discussion. Before we finish up, you know the drill, Andrew. Where can these lovely listeners find your particular content?
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Oh, I'm glad you asked. You can find me online on social media at Green Shield 95. I'm not really doing any streaming or anything like that at the moment, but I am more frequently coming on the Chatsunami podcast, so you can catch new episodes each Friday when they come out. And yeah, they can find Chatsunami and all the usual podcast destinations. Yeah. Is there anything else you'd like to plug? Perhaps a social media or a Patreon? Why, I thought you'd never ask either, Andrew.
00:59:39
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My favourite part of the episode of course, as you were saying, you can catch us on pottypage.com forward slash chat tsunami for all of our previous episodes on not only animated films but of course video games, films, anime and general interest. We do of course have a Patreon page under the name chat tsunami and
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I would also like to thank our Pandalurian patrons, robotic battle toaster, Sonya, and of course our latest one, the one and only, GreenShield95. I don't quite know who that is though. Sounds like an asshole. Yeah, probably. Hey, I'm supposed to have this self-deprecating humour. Get your own thing. I'm bad enough at it. Get your own thing. You must know I've not had an original thought in my head ever.
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And on that note before because they had entered continental war, yeah thank you again Andrew for joining me and thank you to the love listeners at home for checking out this episode. But until then, stay safe, stay awesome and most importantly, don't drink the sea water. Yeah sorry, stay hydrated in your reputable rum hole. I don't know, in your tavern. Oh god.