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In this episode, Satsunami is joined by variety YouTuber Kirsty from the channel MertKayKay. Join the duo as they discuss a wide range of topics from the world of content creation as well as the fanaticism of fandoms. Why is hate watching detrimental? What horror topics have they both covered? And HOW MUCH is the new patreon tier?! All this and more in today's episode!
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Transcript
Introduction to Chatsunami
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Welcome to Chatsunami.
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Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of Chatsunami. My name's Satsunami and joining me today is another fellow variety creator. It is none other than the YouTuber, artist and streamer extraordinaire. It is Mert K.K. Kursley. Welcome to Chatsunami. Hello, thank you very much. How are you
Content Creation Challenges
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doing tonight? I'm great. I actually fell asleep at the dinner table because I've been working on a video and I get a bit silly when I work on videos. So I've had some coffees and I'm ready to go. How are you? Yeah, not bad. I wish I could say I've had a nap as well, but unfortunately I'm running off of fumes and well, fumes, coffee and prayer to be honest. So we'll see how this goes. Nah, I'm a little.
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I mean, it's Brexit Britain, right? We're all running on fumes. Pretty much, yeah. It's every time you turn on the news and you go, well, that's going back off. Yeah, I gave up with that. You're very brave for still checking it. Honestly, it's the perils of being a content creator and be having to go on Twitter to promote yourself. Have you ever found that where you've gone on Twitter to be like, hey, guys, new video and be very positive? But then it's like doomsday news articles popping up. Oh, yeah. I'm one of those degenerates that is a little bit addicted to Twitter. So I'll just scroll it. I've got a timer set on my phone and so I don't look at it for more than an hour a day. But I'll scroll it all the time. And sometimes sometimes you get about 25 seconds in and you're like, no, we're just going to reroll tomorrow. See how it looks. Yeah. Good night, everybody. That is five o'clock in the afternoon. I say good night, everybody. yeah So going back to yourself, I was saying at the beginning of course you have an absolute plethora of amazing
Discovering Mert's Content
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content. um Honestly, when I was looking through your content, the rabbit hole kept going deeper while we were setting up this particular episode. Did I tell you how that came a across to your channel? No, I don't think so. can't remember if I did but the way I came across and it was one of the weirdest, not coincidences but weirdest ways because I had got a particular video game that I'm pretty sure you'll be familiar with with the video that you made on it, that of course being the Rachel Foster video. Oh no. Yeah I know because I made the absolute terrible decision to buy it. I had no idea what it was all about. Obviously not going to get into details about the actual thing. No I get it. I played it on my birthday. That was my birthday evening during during Covid. Oh my god.
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That must have been so cheery. I played it around Christmas, so I don't know if that's better or worse. My birthday's New Year's Eve, so you and I probably played it at the same time, united by strife. That is a horrifying thought.
Mert's YouTube Journey
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but because I remember playing it because I was really getting into indie games at the time. you know I was getting into What Remains of Edith Finch, Firewatch, all the greats. And I thought, well, this looks like a really cool Walking Sim. The intro was really intriguing. And then you get through it, it gets more problematic as you go through it. And all I could keep asking myself by this time I completed it was, why is nobody talking about this game? Oh yeah. Not in the best way but why is no one saying this is horrific and everything and then of course your video was one of the first videos that I stumbled across and I was like wow this is very well researched, very in depth and everything written and I'm sure you've probably heard that a million times for that video but then of course I started looking at your content, you do some absolutely fantastic deep dives into really
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just everything I suppose. In particular, you do a lot of gaming stuff. I watched a bit of your Silent Hell stuff and some of the other more obscure games that you tackle. You've also got things to do with forums. I think there was an anime video in there at one point. Oh, love those. Oh no, fantastic. But I've got a question for you because I was looking through just wondering if your content creation was one that was inspired by the of course infamous lockdowns of 2020 or was it something you've always been planning? Well, the thing is, when I was a kid, I wanted to be an actress. And for some reason, I also wanted to be a mafia boss. I watched an anime about a mafia boss. And as a 12 year old, I remember telling my dad, like, I want to be a mafia boss. And he was like, Kirsty, there are no ladders into that. That's not something you can apply for. And I was like, all right, whatever, Colin. But I remember that I was like, probably, I don't know, like 11 or 12 by the time Markiplier started. He started rolling and Penumbra was a thing and Amnesia became a thing. Oh, yeah. And I just remember watching these Let's Players and I was like, this is the coolest thing I've ever seen. I need to do this. But we didn't have a PC at home that could or would, like my parents would never have let me become a Let's Player as a 12 year old. So I just kind of watched them for a while and it kind of went through uni and stuff. And I was watching H Bomber Guy and Jenny Nicholson and JXE and all those people. And then. I started to stream and I have a few opinions on Twitch, but I would be going on a massive tangent if I was to go into them now. But after a while, you know, when you're playing a game and your opinion of it is like so strong, you're either so happy with it or you're so angry with it. Cause I would stream so much during COVID. I could sometimes get into this headspace where I was just like ranting about something that I played. And sometimes people love listening to the ranting and sometimes people hated it because they were here to like chill. And I was getting really angry over like Far Cry 3 or whatever. And I was like, I'll turn this into a video. So it'll be like a journal. And that was
Viral Video Experiences
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my system for a while. If I had a strong opinion on something and I was tired of hearing myself say it, I would write it down and turn it into a video and it would go live and it would get 20 views. I think for a while, I think for like two years, I had less than a hundred subs. So it was pretty vocational rage, you know? And then that Rachel Foster video just like sprung up out of nowhere. It's like a shotgun of subscribers. I was a centipod.
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So you see when you get hundreds of thousands of subscribers inevitably in the future, is that going to be your backstory, your Netflix documentary? I was in the centre parks. I was. Oh yeah. The thing is like when you write a video about such a contentious topic, you're obviously going to get people who disagree and that's normal because I've been writing for so few people and everybody who watched my YouTube videos also watched my Twitch. So it was quite like a close comment section. But it meant that I was completely raw with the opinion. Nowadays, I'm a little bit more measured with how I phrase things because I know that it's going to be seen by a lot of people and I don't want to be like misinterpreted. You just step a little bit more carefully with it. I'm sure you know, you just don't want the smoke sometimes. But with that video, I was like really opinionated and I had all these comments coming in while I was sitting around a table at Cinterpugs with my friends. And I was like, oh no, this is awful. ah and so I think I had to turn my phone off for the weekend. I mean, to be fair, I looked at the BU account for that earlier today and am I right in saying, is it in the millions? Or... I think it's... Two million, is it? Yeah, I'm not actually sure. I and i haven't checked in a while, but I think it was on its way to two million last time I checked, which is insane. that is absolutely crazy. In all the right ways, right enough, because as I said to someone who watched it and thought, you know what, this person makes some absolutely fantastic points, genuinely. It is well deserved, first of all. Thank you. I have to say, and this is something I brought up in previous episodes, but the only video I have ever done, and I don't know if you've heard me talk about this in the podcast before, but the only video I have ever got close to that number. I think it got a million views and it was a TikTok of a, you know the show The Boys. yeah You know how the meme was going around where it was like the parody of A Train going through people and people were mimicking that with different TV shows. I did one of them but with a clip of Kung Fu Panda. by you And you know that existential way where you're sitting there watching this video and you're like, so all of the clips for the podcast, maybe a couple of hundreds, maybe a thousand marks? This concrete panda shitpost.
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A million times when you're like, the internet is a funny, funny place. It's always the one that you just kind of ping out into the world, isn't it? Oh, absolutely. but See of all the videos that you made up to that point, was that the one you actually thought what was going to take off? No, not at all. I remember it took me ages to write the script because playing the game through a second time to get all of the points was just beyond all the points you can make about that game. It's also very boring. I don't know if you found that it's long. It takes ages to do anything. And I was like, oh, I can't be arsed. I remember writing the script and being like, ah.
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It'll take a long time to make this. Maybe I won't do it. I was like, no, no, no. I've made all the effort now. It was the first one where I kind of burned myself out right in the script and then just thought, well, you know, maybe I'll just ping this out now and then did. Kind of glad I did because damn. ah No, I'm totally with you there. It was just such a slog at some points. like At the very beginning, it was very intriguing. you know You've got this abandoned hotel in the middle of nowhere. You think, oh, is something going to pop out? Is something stalking you? And then when I realized it was going to be more like Firewatch where there's not really any other characters, you know there's like outlines of people. But There's not really anybody else. I thought, right, OK, that's killed my attention for this particular game. Yeah, when I started getting lost in the hotel, I felt it was less of the river and more like a really bad episode of Faulty Towers.
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you know, I was expecting Basil Faulty to pop out or something. I was like, this is getting ridiculous now. And eventually I had to to, I think it was actually, you know, the bit where they try to make it out as if it's going to be a paranormal game. Yes. When you have like the ghost detector thing. Yeah. I was like, all right, okay. They're going to turn it into a ghost. And then that went absolutely nowhere. And you're like, right, okay, this is the way you want to play this game. And of course, yeah, you play the rest of the game and you're like, yeah, this isn't that. Again, as you were saying as well, it was an interesting idea to be begin with and then the more you go into just the worse and worse it gets. And I have to say, although it is terrible, I kind of considered maybe doing an episode on it myself, but I was very much in the same boat as you in the sense of I was like, do I want to
Challenges in Book Reviews
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play this again? Yeah, it's like a three-hour game and it feels like I'd rather complete Skyrim again. It's so long. Oh, it's such a slog. It really doesn't help though, does it? Especially i when you have to play through it again, because I mean, there's so many games I've played through them countless times. I'm like, oh, and I'll play it again, damn it, for an episode, but oh, I cannot bring myself to play. Has there been any other games or TV shows or things that you found difficult to go back to to research for an episode though?
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I don't want to plug too much. oh no plua away that short episodes pluck away I am currently working on a video about Stephen King's It, like the novel. So it took me about 16 months to read it because it's 1,200 pages. And about halfway through, I was like, talk about this in a video, but I've read half of it now. I don't think I could be bothered. So I just kind of shelved it, finished the book about a month ago. And I was sitting there like, oh no, I really want to talk about this. So I read the whole thing again in a week and then wrote the script on it, 1200 pages in a week. My parents would come downstairs every morning and see me sat at the dinner table just reading this book. And they were like, almost done. I was like, no, not even close, not even close. So I'd probably say that reading a 1200 page book again. I was going to say they just come down and you're done the full clay makeup and you're just getting into character just like. rocking in the corner. Oh, she thinks she's Pennywise again. Great. The balloon hanging in the corner. Yeah, going at me with the cattle prod to snap me out of it. I can imagine that, I have to say, because when we did the Lord of the Rings month for Chatsunami, I jokingly suggested to my ghost and friend Andrew, oh, should we maybe try and read through the books, have a comparison. I have never been shut down by someone so fast.
00:12:04
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um yeah immediately he was back in like two seconds and he went no there is no way I'm reading through all of that and I can completely understand that having to watch all the films and we are massive fans of the films so of course there's going to be the extended editions like you can't go wrong but oh yeah I have to have to I have to say as well, do you find in comparison to of course watching something or playing something, do you find book reviews and things like that are a lot harder to get through? Yeah, I think so. When I did a video on The Boys, I had watched it all and then I was like, right, I'm going to talk about this. when you're watching something you can just kind of skip through, you can watch it at like double speed, you can skim it, even just dragging the cursor along the timeline just to kind of refresh, that's easy. You can get through an episode in like three minutes and you can pick out which scenes you want to talk about and then go back and look at them later. And it's kind of the same with games, you can watch a playthrough again to refresh your memory, but with books it's like You can't skim read a book that much faster than you can just read it. You can kind of flick the pages, but you'll miss so much. Especially with bigger books, you'll be like, oh, when does this happen? And it's kind of nestled between, because like, if the timeline jumps back and forth, it will be nestled somewhere really random. If you spend ages looking for it, you may as well just read the whole thing again. I'd say probably book reviews take far longer than they should. a curiosity because we've touched on it there that of course you review books and films and games and things and of course as well that you're an artist. What inspired you to go the variety route rather than sticking to one topic? Because I'm not throwing shade here, I am completely the same. If you're listening to the podcast you'll know that I cannot stick to one topic, I'm just like right we're going to talk about this, we're going to talk about that. So what was the inspiration behind just jumping from topic to topic for yourself? probably the vocational rage again, you know? It would just get to the point where I'd watch something and I'd be like, oh, I have to talk about this now. But me and my brother have recently made a new channel where we are just doing games. I think we'll just stick to games on there, but my main content will be like the variety stuff again, because you just get inspired, don't you? Oh, absolutely.
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You know, it's honestly terrible because recently I played a horror game. I have to say, before we came on tonight, I played it, I think it must have been either Saturday or Sunday, I finished it. Is it still Wakes The Deep? It's still Wakes The Deep, I know. A Scotsman talking about it still weeks in the day. How did you know? Oh, I knew it. Absolutely knew it. Do they call you Boback in it? I actually can't remember. They say the word gobshite and things like that though, which I was like, okay, that is one thing I will say about the game. The banter in it and the slang is well on point. Does that ever bother you as well, where you're listening to something, usually it's primarily like an American game or a film or something, and they always have a generic accent, whether it's English or Scottish, but I feel as if with Scotland they always sound like the love child between Shrek and groundskeeper Willie.
00:15:04
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ever sound like any Scottish person I've met. And you know the way you get sent clips by people and they're like, oh, write that accent. And I'm like, it's awful. Do you me to say a bit? Have you ever felt with that as well? Oh, yeah. This game called Song of Horror that I absolutely love. The main character, Daniel, has the accent of an American person doing an English accent. Oh yeah. Yeah, ah kind of like Keanu Reeves in a Shakespeare film. That's really noticeable. It only happens really enough that I still find it kind of charming. I've not yet gotten to the point that you seem to have reached where it's like, oh no, my representation. Honestly, it's like not again.
00:15:42
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You know, it's that kind of Brigadier accent where are ah it's like a very posh Scottish accent sometimes, which again, you know, obviously we have posh people in Scotland, but you do get that kind of weird mix that it borders on Irish, then it borders on English, then it swings back to Scottish again. But for this, I was looking up the cast and everything, and they genuinely did the homework. They had people from Glasgow, they had them from Dundee, Aberdeen, Edinburgh as well. Even Sky, like the Isle of Sky, I thought, really? You went to the Isle of Sky for an accent like that? I thought, well done.
00:16:20
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A pilgrimage to the Isle of Sky. Oh, it is gorgeous. But I mean, to get someone with the accent as well, I thought, oh, amazing. Because I mean, they do have English accents as well. I think they've got it's lover cool and Burnley, I think, is the other one. And then they've got the one guy from Belfast. oh yeah I'm surprised in the background, but I thought, you know what, 10 out of 10 for that alone. The horror doesn't even have to be good anymore. you know Oh, yeah. It can just be 10 out of 10. You've got proper Scottish accents in this. What is the horror of Still Wakes a Noob? Is there a monster or is it just, you know, the abyss of the ocean? Oh no, there is real monsters. When I first saw it, I saw somebody walking through the oil rig and everything, so like you're stuck in an oil rig and at the very beginning everything's normal and then of course there's that moment that turns
Horror Gaming Discussions
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everything on its head and the monsters start coming out. It's basically like the thing who meets an oil rig and it's absolutely fantastically done but the way I saw all of the promotional stuff everyone was making out as if oh it's just gonna be you're walking through an oil rig you hear spooky noises and things but I was thoroughly shocked at how much I enjoyed it. Good scary then?
00:17:30
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Well, it is good scary and I think it's quite an emotional story, which I was really surprised at because you're that way when you play this kind of horror game and you think, all right, it's just going to be, oh boo, it's the monster. yeah So the story basically follows a guy who and I'm definitely not spoiling anything here. It's a guy who ends up getting into an altercation with someone in Glasgow and he ends up fleeing to an oil rig to lay low just as he gets found out at the beginning. Pretty much it hits the fan and an event happens that causes this monster or rather this thing to come out of the ocean. It's really good because it builds up that horror and there's a lot of liminal spaces that they take advantage of. and one of the things Because I was reading this today, one of the things that the creative director actually said was that it's a great place for a horror game because it takes advantage of all the phobias. So you know you've got the fear of the ocean, you've got vertigo, you've got claustrophobia, the fear of the dark. you know There's just so many moments that you just think, oh, hell no, I'm not going into that water. But you have to, because it's the only way out. And it's absolutely horrifying, but it's relatively short as well. It's about, how would they say, about three-ish hours, give or take? It might be longer than that. I played in story mode, I have to say. No, I think that's pretty good for a horror game. I feel like too many horror games drag it out too long and it becomes kind of exhausting. I feel like the best horror experiences are like shorter. Oh, no, absolutely. I mean, I think the only game that I played from start to finish, I mean, other than Little Nightmares, but that was terrifying in its own right. And then by the end, you know, you get that horror 50-week where you're just like, oh, I just want the game to end. But the other one was, I think I completed that in about the three and a half hours, was Outlast. Oh yeah. Oh that was an experience. Oh yeah, love that game. It's so good but so terrifying at the same time. I think it's the only time where I've been on stream and I've actually screamed. Which jump was it? Well there was a couple. The very first one is C when you're in the basement at the beginning and you have to turn on the generator. I remember watching the playthroughs. You know that way when you're watching someone else play it so you don't get scared? You're like oh ha ha they're getting scared, but I'm not scared. When you're in the forefront of it, when you're in the front line, you're like, no, no, I hate this. But it's like the first two switches, I think you have to turn on and there's no one chasing you. yeah And I was really confused because I was like, I'm sure there was a guy who chases you at this point. And of course I walked out and I'm chatting to the chat and I'm like, oh, it's fine. I hope you guys are having a nice day. And then I turned round, this guy's waiting for me. And I went, oh, no.
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I just screamed and ran, but the other one that got me was... I didn't remember this at all, but I'm wondering if it caught you as well, where you're being chased by... I can't remember his name, but you know the pig man. Oh, Chris Walker? Yep, Chris Walker, that's the one. You're being chased by him. You're in the courtyard, I think, of the asylum, and then there's a clap of thunder, and he's just standing there. Oh, at the top of the stairs? Yep, that's the one. I have never yelled and just cursed my heart out. I've got a compilation video where it's just me, like, oh, this is a great game, this is a great game, two seconds later. No, you're just, oh, I could read my heart out. It's great content, I think. but But it's not good for your heart. No. Oh, my gosh, no, yeah. How curiosity, though, do you play a lot of scary games on your stream, or do you prefer to do it away from the eyes of the chat, as it were? I would love to stream horror games, but when it comes to, like, fear responses, this fight, flight, I freeze. I've said this a thousand times on stream when I've been talking about horror games, but if I get really scared, I can't move. Like, I can't do anything at all. There was one Resident Evil stream where I paused the game and we sat there for 30 minutes and then I was like, well, we're not getting anything else done today, guys. I'm really sorry. Like, turn the stream off. So I would love to be able to do horror games, but I can't move. The second you put me in a room, and I watched somebody do Visage. a few weeks ago. I was watching and I couldn't. I had my hands in front of my eyes. The second you put me in a dimly lit room and tell me that something is going to make me jump, I completely shut down. I can't do anything at all. I'd love to though. I have to say that is one of the worst things a horror game can do. when And this is what happened in that still weeks of deep where I was walking through this really dark area and I'm hooked up to this walker and the prompt came up that just said hide. And I was like, oh no.
00:22:10
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but of course they do the same and it lasts as well where it's like, oh, I'm just hiding these lockers. I was like, are you kidding me? Are you kidding me right now? I have to say I have quite a weird response. As you said, you know, you've got that fight or flight where, you know, are you going to react? Aren't you going to react to horror, stimulus or whatever? I have to say I get very chatty to the run up of it. I start cracking jokes. I start talking away. I'm like, okay oh this is a funny place haha oh great haha please don't kill me for the love of god i'm so jealous the screams don't come until the monster so actually jumps out and then i'm like nope nope nope nope oh so jealous see that's perfect streaming horror reaction isn't it i sit still you know i get asked are you gonna stream this and this and this and i'm like you would be bored out of your mind watching me stream this this this and this no i'm dreadful i have to say though i do not stream horror games a lot at all
00:23:07
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Have you ever done Madison? No one actually. arms that That is a highly recommended game if you ever fancy streaming another one maybe for like a Halloween special. I'm trying to think of all the games that I actually bought thinking oh play them on Halloween they'll be fine, it'll be great content and then they just sit there gathering dust. Oh yeah. Because I'm curious to see if you think the same about this as well, but I have to say, see when I die a lot in a game, or in particular a horror game, I feel as if I get quite desensitised to it. Yeah. And I'm wondering, do you feel the same way? As soon as you get killed the third or fourth time, you kind of think, instead of, oh, this is a horrible monster, you think, oh for God's sake, just get in my way now.
00:23:49
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Actually, yeah, I actually do think so. I think I got to that point with Resident Evil 7, where after a while, your brain is like, oh, you won't actually die in real life if something happens here. And after that, my bones kind of uncreek and I can move again and I can do it, but it's just getting there, isn't it? Dying to the enemy. 100%. I have to say though, I think the only time that I died and that still wakes the deep game was because of my own incompetence. oh Not because of the monsters. As I said, I played it in story mode. I slipped through the cracks.
00:24:22
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of the barriers. I have to say it is amazing because your character is very responsive, so he's just blurting out powerful language. It's amazing. There was actually one glitch where I was standing on the edge or something, but it wasn't big enough to fall through. yeah It was big enough to change his animation. So he just started screaming like a no, no, no. bleep that, bleep that, no. And I was like, oh, although I did have a really weird glitch in it where accidentally I swam down instead of up. And I thought, oh, damn, you know, I'm going to drown. I'm going to have to restart this bit. And then somehow I glitched the game and I found this like air bubble. So it was like as if I was out the water, but I was still swimming. It was the biz this thing over because I couldn't get out of it so I was like right I'm gonna have to start this again either way and of course i the first day of time I did it I was like right okay oh it's the spooky monster the big face oh great okay right okay big face that sounds horrifying it's horrifying but I would highly recommend it I'm gonna have to get my brother to play it's like a morture I think see as soon as I played it I thought that would be right up your alley in terms of games oh sign me up yeah oh yeah
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But actually, speaking of horror games, because as you said, I don't know you've played out last in Resident Evil and things.
Silent Hill and Audience Interaction
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What are your thoughts on Silent Hill? Because I know you've made a couple of videos on those as well. Yeah, I think it's good. I think that it's not as sacred a concept as a lot of people seem to think it is. The idea that trying to do it is some kind of blasphemy. I would like to see more Silent Hill likes, but my issue tends to be with the fact that people just don't seem to be able to get the formula, except actually, Psygnalis was pretty good. Yeah, I think signal is kind of hit the nail on the head in terms of the atmosphere and the physical manifestations of the real issues kind of going on. I love Silent Hill. I even like the ones that they made outside of Japan, which a lot of people tend to hate. Was that the ones that were made for the Wii? Oh, I haven't played that one, but that shattered. Is that shattered memories? I think that might be shattered memories. Yeah, the icy one. Oh, yeah. What was homecoming? Homecoming was the tits. Homecoming was great.
00:26:28
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You should just slap that in the box. Oh, yeah. Quote me. I don't care. There are five stars. The thing is, Homecoming, I don't want to say like it's not a good Silent Hill game, because what does that mean? People say that all the time about things like Dark Souls 2. And I'm like, that doesn't mean anything to say that. I think this Homecoming is just like the American cousin to Silent Hill. I don't know. Silent Hill 1 maybe. Where it's like you're playing like a 20 something year old called Alex Shepard. and he's got gilled up here and he's got a submachine gun by the time you get to the first area and there's a blonde childhood friend girl that you can romance and there's like a wisecracking black police officer that comes along and makes silly comments and stuff and it's stupid in that regard and it definitely doesn't uphold the atmosphere that you expect but But the character designs, like the enemy designs, the boss designs, Sepulchre, the first major boss, is so cool. Scarlet, super cool. All the visual concepts are great. It's so good. But there tends to be this kind of halo around the original four Silent Hill games. And it just means that people don't have room in their hearts for another game that genuinely tried very, very hard and did okay, you know? I mean, to be fair, that seems to be the case for a lot of games these days. Whether it's in horror or especially in the FPS genre or anything to do with sci-fi games like Halo for example, have you noticed that yourself that there seems to be this kind of need for from gamers to sanctify their nostalgia as it were the the previous games. that As you were saying, The Silent Hell as well, that the previous games for most series were the best ones and you know they shouldn't be touched, whereas as the new ones will never live up to the hype. For legal reasons, that's a joke.
00:28:13
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i think you can't hit the nail on the head really. You also critique games quite a lot as well. How often do you get told that you've missed the point? Apparently not as often as I should be I think. oh yeah I mean I think because I go under the radar quite a bit so I come out with the most lefty old. it takes and gave me to be like, yeah, this is rubbish or that's rubbish and no one really picks up. But the one person that does, oh, they bring the fury and all the vitriol to be like, no, this is wrong. Because a couple of months ago, my friend and I did a whole Star Wars month Oh no, oh no, oh no. Again, surprisingly, we did not get much backlash for it, even though we were very positive about the sequels, the prequels, the original. You know, what we're very fair in battle. I like to think we're fair in battle. hours in. If you want to listen, check out jasnami.com for more episodes. But yeah, we also reviewed the Star Wars Battlefront game, oh okay which came out 20 years ago, would you believe? Did it? Yes. And it made me feel old in the hips or so.
00:29:21
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but I cannot believe it because next year it'll be the 20th anniversary of Battlefront 2 which I was like that's even worse but we talked about that and I always remember this ages and ages ago what I streamed I think it was Battlefront 2 And you know how when you're playing it and you unlock the Jedi characters or the Sith characters or whatever, yeah and there's two particular characters that they didn't have in the console versions. I think they actually had it for the Xbox and the PC, but not for the PlayStation version. So I had the PlayStation version growing up. I didn't know these characters were in it. And one of them is, before I go on, are you a fan of Star Wars or I'm very neutral to Star Wars. Neutral, OK. And the reason I ask is because there's a fish guy with his shirt off that they decided to include in the game. OK. And in case the fans go after me, yes, his name's Kit Fisto, blah, blah, blah. But anyway, he, and I know that's his name. Kit Fisto. They're words, not my Lucas Eugenius. Anyway, at the time he was in a 2003 cartoonist hours or something. yeah They had to dive underwater and fight and they had to shirt off and they had this wavy lightsaber. And I watched that growing up. So as soon as I saw that model, I was like, oh cool, they've brought it from this particular game. And I went to Twitter and said, oh, it's cool. They brought these two characters from this particular show. And there was this one guy Oh, so on is the one, isn't it? You decided to die on this hill by challenge. I mean, being like, no, that's not so and so from this, it is so and so from that. And all I could keep thinking was, so the hill that you've decided to die on here is a shirtless space fish. How many shirtless space fish scenes have you watched to come to the conclusion that this is not from that particular show?
00:31:10
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That was a very sobering day. If you had that comment-wise on your posts on Twitter and things where you just look at it and you go, what is going on? I received one annoying quote tweet where somebody hadn't seen my Silent Hill video, didn't know that I was a woman and like retweeted me saying, this guy's got no idea what he's talking about. I've not watched the video, but I can only imagine that he's stupid and blah, blah, blah. And I saw this and I was like, okay. And I turned all notifications off forever more, unless the person who interacts already follows me. Cause I'm like, okay, that's fine. But it was just that one thing. I remember I was in a hotel in Brazil and I was like, I am so angry. I am like seething with frustration at how like helpless this situation is. There's nothing I can say to this person. There's no point talking to this person. This is the most annoying thing that's ever happened to me.
00:31:59
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And I just had this realisation where I was like, if my Twitter account gets any bigger, this will only happen more. And I was like, right, notifications off. So I can say no, but only because I have strong armed it so that I never have to see it. Is that something you do worry about though? Because I have to say I've thought about that as well in terms of myself, because you do see smaller creators take off and everything you think that god is absolutely fantastic. Go you, et cetera. And then the amount of just negativity that comes after them. Would you say that it's gotten worse over the years or do you think it's probably on par? oh definitely not to get too political obviously i am super leftwing like extremely leftw wing my critique of the online left
00:32:44
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is the obsession with the idea that you can never have done anything wrong and having never done anything wrong is more important than doing one thing right so i follow like big joel contrapoint those kinds of people and the amount of times i've seen them get absolutely dragged for not necessarily doing something wrong, just doing something that doesn't have this pantomime of perfection. I remember ContraPoints invited somebody to be a voice actor on one of her videos, and this person refers to himself as a transsexual instead of transgender, right? And he's kind of older. He's like, I think he's like 50 or something. So I guess he's from a time where that was the term. But I remember seeing ContraPoints get in the rawest sense of the word, canceled, destroyed to the point where she had to go offline for like a few weeks. It was death threats, just harassment, harassment, harassment. Every post was like full of just this explosion of rage. I just remember thinking it's not that big a deal. It doesn't need to be this big a deal a lot.
Diverse Topics and Critiquing Media
00:33:40
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And I feel like something like that is definitely going to happen to me one day. And it's going to be so annoying. No, absolutely. I'm wondering if you're the same as well, because you do a lot of variety stuff as well, that there's a lot of different fandoms and things that I keep coming across. I cover all, for example, Sonic the Hedgehog content, which is a goldmine. tempestuous eye of the storm content. It really is. It's absolutely. It could be the best place and the absolute worst place because I do a lot of content as well with a friend of the channel Wisteria Moth. absolutely lovely person and creator and we did an episode on talking about what it means to be a Sonic fan. Oh yeah. And you know we're very positive and everything more like this is a refuge for people, it is a safe space, it's something that you can feel the safe end and such and then the minute you log off and go onto Twitter. It gets proven wrong right away when you get all these people dogpiling one creator and that creator. And obviously, it's not just Sonic fans. You've got Star Wars fans who are getting right through the calls just now because of the new show. And then there's been a really big rise in Grifter as well. And I used to be very neutral. I used to be very Switzerland about this.
00:35:11
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it nicely where I was like, I don't agree with that, but I'm just going to stay out of it. Now I just don't care. Now I just keep going into it. I don't spend a lot of time on it. I'll say my piece and then I'll dip out and turn the phone off. But it's saying my Doctor Who as well, any sci-fi franchise, anything to do with Disney, there's just so many grifter channels popping up that are just saying the exact same things. yeah For some reason they use the same thumbnails, which is really weird. Yes, they do, yeah. Yeah, I completely agree. If I am, for example, scrolling Twitter, or if I see a video that I don't agree with, or a tweet, let's say somebody's like, oh, the new doctor and doctor who is black, that's false diversity. I just scroll away. I don't care. Cause I'm like, they're wrong. I don't know this person. They haven't tweeted this for me. I'll might mute them if they're especially annoying, or maybe I'll block them if they're abusive, but don't give a shit about what you think. You just move on. I feel like so many of these grifter channels become so big because people on the online left are obsessed with them in turn. It becomes like this stupid tennis match of back and forth, back and forth. are There's some Twitter people that are follow who post some really good stuff. But then after a while they'll stop posting things like, oh, this new episode has a black main character. The right wing are going to hate this. And I love it. And I'm like, stop. The only reason these people are this big is because when you retweet them all the time and you reply to them all the time and you're fanning these flames all the time, if you ignored them, there wouldn't be money to make from this. Stop. It annoys me so much to see people just getting into these fights all the time. I mean, just leave it. Who cares? Well, I mean, just look at shows like that Velma remake. That annoys me to no end because I remember seeing the previews, I was like, wow, this looks awful. oh yeah know I've got no interest. But then, of course, as you said, you've got YouTubers who pop up saying, oh, I watched the new Velma show. It's so awful. And I was like, well, yeah, I saw the trailer and it looks terrible. yeah But of course, that hate-watching somehow funded you know a second season. and Surprise, surprise, it's just as bad. And everyone's like, oh, how could this happen? And you're like, well, it's the same with games as well. yeah It feels like just this perpetual cycle of I'm going to hate watch, hate play something. There's no point to it, is there? It's just self-destructive, really. you know And I hate the fact that that is what content has been reduced to. a lot of people. Not you, of course, your content's fantastic, but for people who are just like, oh, this is going to be my content now, I'm just going to watch the worst of the worst. and yeah It's OK to watch things like that if that's your gimmick, but I personally i don't think they understand the influence that they have. because I know the clues and the name influence our influence on people, but especially with Star Wars, for example, the amount of people that keep popping up saying, oh, I got a death threat from so-and-so's channel, and then people from that channel saying, oh, I got death threats from so-and-so, and it's just absolutely crazy. It's cringe. Yeah. Oh, 100%.
00:38:15
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yeah it current Do you ever consider that though? When you're making your videos and things, do you? I assume you do, but you consider that what you're putting out there is going to influence what people think about this particular topic. Oh yeah, definitely. I tend to make stuff after I've seen it. As I mentioned, it's like my rage journaling. So, for example, with the boys, I watched three seasons. I got to the end of the third season. I was like, I think this is crap now. And then I made my video. I haven't watched season four because I know that I don't like it anymore. But if I wanted to, I could make a season four still sucks video and just leech off that.
00:38:50
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I cover a ton of Bloober stuff and I've covered a ton of Silent Hill stuff, so I get comments sometimes being like, are you going to cover Bloober Silent Hill 2? And I'm like, presently, no. I have no plans to literally purchase that game to hate play it and farm content off the back of it. If it comes out and people say it's good, yeah, I'll buy it. And then I might talk about it. but there's definitely like, there's a demand for it because people really like seeing their opinions vindicated, which is quite an innocent thing. I love it when I mentioned that I think the boys has gone downhill and the person I talked to goes, oh my God, yes. But I guess people don't realize how they tend to, they just feed into this like cycle of profiting off, watching stuff just to shit on it. Also, is swearing okay?
00:39:29
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but what no yeah Sorry, you completely, I can, all right. No, no, no, no, no, that's fine. I should have asked in advance. ah I know what you mean. The amount of shows and I'm totally with you there on the boys because I've checked out that Gen 5 or Gen V rather. Yeah, I heard of that. I was not a fan, I'm going to be honest. Maybe that's the spicy take that's going to catapult me into the limelight here. I did not care for it. I watched bits of it. I flicked through it. I was like, this is a thing. For shows like that, I think it's very symptomatic of the writing. You know, it's not to do with the actors and things because this is what I find quite bad about The New Doctor Who. that I've watched the episodes a couple of times because I would watch it like the There I Am at midnight and then if I was visiting my parents or things, which, weirdly enough, they enjoy it even though this is a weird thing. They don't like sci-fi because they used to watch the 2005 nearly 20 years ago as well.
00:40:31
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They used to watch the Christopher Eccleston staff and the early David Tennant staff, and then when they got a bit too sci-fi for them, no pun intended, it alienated them. So they decided, nah, we're not going to watch this anymore. Which is fair enough. But it just goes to show that although one side of the fanbase might not like it, there's definitely an area that do because because one of the things that really struck me, and I thought this was quite sweet, was when I went to Comic Con, pre-Covid of course, and there were so many wee girls especially dressed up as Jodie Whittaker's doctor, and that's the thing that I kind to think back to in terms of seeing when I'm critiquing something, unless it's irredeemable. Like, Birdemic, at least I can say that's funny, but it's still absolutely terrible. I know in good conscience I'm not going to offend, I don't know, a Birdemic fan club or anything like that. Oh, there will be one out there. Oh, there will be. I don't understand. Oh, yeah.
00:41:31
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No, hopefully they don't come and get me. I've got coat hangers there, I'll just swing it at them. They'll go away eventually. But that's the thing though, whenever I critique things on that, I always think that although I might not personally like it, unless, you know, I think, oh, this is absolutely dross, I'm not going to really keep up with it, I know that other people like it. Obviously, as long as it's not problematic, that's obviously a given. But as long as people are enjoying it, I don't feel as a content creator like I can say to people, you should be enjoying that because of x-rays and y-rays. But a lot of people seem to think that they're the quality arbiters of us. They can say, oh, you should be watching this because it's terrible. And don't get me wrong, I did not enjoy Jodie Whittaker's run as the doctor, but just because I didn't enjoy it as a 30-something year old man, it doesn't mean that other people can't enjoy it. But yeah, do you feel that way that there's a lot more people who are trying to almost dictate what you should be enjoying, as opposed to just letting people enjoy it?
00:42:39
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to think probably and I think that's been around for a while in terms of just generally shaming people for liking one thing over another I think it's something that's probably very easy to do by accident as well especially when you create content because when you're making like a video or ah I don't know if it's the same for podcasts maybe you'll be able to shed some light but I guess when you're writing a video if I'm writing a video about something there's no back and forth so I have to essentially present my thoughts like a report and then submit it and then people watch it and they can respond but the The fact that there's no second voice in the situation means that I am just stating things definitively. And sometimes I'll go in my opinion, but that's kind of flimsy. You you want to be saying something, right? I think it's very easy to come across like you're doing that. I definitely have probably stepped into that by accident a few times and been like, this is crap. And if you like it, you're a loser. So I don't think I'll be able to judge too hard. So I think that your question is boys season four review, but
00:43:33
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Actually, going back to the Twitter conversation, from what I've heard about Season 4, and I could be completely wrong, so this is purely conjecture, a lot of people have come to my video now after the fact to watch it because it's kind of trending again, and they've gone like, oh, Season 4 is just this very obvious making fun of the right in terms of like trying to get a rise out of the right again, where it's like, thinly veiled, you know how I said these performative tweets where people are like oh there's a black person in it now but the right are gonna hate that. Apparently that's kind of where they've been going with it and people have been going oh but their ratings are really high, they've reached like an all-time high and I'm like in that vein are we not doing exactly the same thing as grifters are doing where we are creating outrage politics so that people come and watch just to support the fact that they align with the left rather than because they're making like good content. I think in the one hand, hate watching something and saying, oh, this is terrible. And then people are like, well, of course it's terrible. You saw the trailer, you saw the reviews from the professionals and you're still going ahead. You're still paid for that subscription to yeah watch this utter dress. Ten hours of content as well. like ten hour
00:44:37
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I see a list with Velma and I don't know if they're there. I hope to go there to your under minutes long because if there were ever long episodes, why would you do that to yourself? oh yeah But yeah, the fact is that I really don't like, as you were saying, the other side of that conversation where people try to bait people to be like, oh, look, people are going to be mad at this and things. And especially when it comes to things like as we were talking about before with Doctor Who, where people almost know they're going to pee off people and you just kind of sit there and think, well, this isn't… and don't get me wrong, I'm not one of these people who has a love, laugh, love bastard on my walls or anything, but I don't think it's a very productive environment to be fostered and I genuinely think that if you want to have a conversation, a grown-up conversation at that, and I know there's a lot of teenagers and shitposters on the internet, but if you want to have a productive conversation, you want something that's going to be positive and move it on. You want to say, this is bad. OK, why is it bad? Oh, I think because of XYZ. Going back to what you were saying as well about video essays and things, I'm totally with you there as well, because I did an episode on Spec Ops The Line recently, and it was my first full solo episode because technically it was supposed to be a video that was taken far too long to bring out and I thought, you know what, let's just transform it, turn it into audio only and I put it out and I totally know what you mean. It's like when you don't have anyone to bench your opinions off of, you kind of think, am I saying the right thing? What are people thinking? There should be people who have messages saying, oh, I really wanted to jump in at that part of the conversation, but obviously they couldn't. But At the end of the day, whether I'm talking to someone or doing my solo episodes, I want people to feel as if they can approach the show or go on to the page or whatever and say, oh, I i can agree with this or oh, I disagree with that. I genuinely 100% do not want to ever be in the situation where I put out an episode or and anything like that and be like, oh, I bet someone's going to be peeved off at this because I think my co-host and I kind of joke about that, especially in the Star Wars month when we called Star Wars fans some of the most reasonable people. you know Because at the end of the day, and I always say this in episodes, that whatever I'm talking about, these are my thoughts, my opinions. They are not the law. You're not going to judge directly their apologies. it. They're not what people should be picking up. They're not what people should be saying, oh my God, Satsunami said that we should be liking Burdemic 3, for example. So let's all go out and defend it to the bitter end. it's like If you don't like something, don't watch it. or
00:47:22
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fun mode of it. Going back to what you were saying about the boys, I do think there is some weird, weird discourse that people have only just realised that the quote-unquote boys are not the boys, but the villains of all are yeah the bad guys. I thought that was clear when A-Train pasted that poor lassie on the pavement. Surely there was an incline there that somebody thought, oh, surely these are the bad guys when the discourse came out for that, that people were saying, ooh, home landers, not as bad as you think. and i was like Did we watch season one? Have they been watching Superman? It's kind of the same as the old Breaking Bad conversation when people found out that Walter White was the bad guy, but this exhausts me. I hate it. I keep seeing people on Twitter doing the same thing where they tweet and they're like, oh, I guess the right wing of just realized that for the bad guys, oh, the right wing are going to hate this next episode, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, oh, do we need to just keep having this conversation over and over again? Does it need to be flaunted? And some weirdos didn't realize that they were being made fun of and now they, yeah. It happens all the time. you know Every single time I see somebody tweet about it being like, oh, somebody's just realized that they're the target of this joke. I'm like, yep, that was the point for them to realize why are we surprised? I don't know. I think it's just part of this like rage bait farming thing that really, really bothers me. Where every time I see it, I'm like, yeah, this doesn't need to be a conversation. It's like with the Walter White thing. I'm like, yeah, some people didn't get it. I'm not their mum.
00:48:53
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but so I think I've just become fatigued. Oh yeah, none of my business. I'm not mad. I'm just disappointed. Oh yeah. just yeah It's just the absolute lowest possible denominator has now realised that they're the absolute lowest possible denominator. It's like, yeah, cool. The low hanging fruit have been picked. It's great. It's fine. You know? the depressing thing as well and again I'm not that old. I'm on the wrong side of therapy sure but I'm not that old. I'm shaking my fist at these kind of people but it's like I watched one of the episodes of season four and they have like this very over-the-top conspiracy con and it's all the kind of iconography that you would expect in one of these places. was it like a queue ride on? Yeah, kind of, yeah. But it's like, oh, flat earthers and there's a scene where they're all degenerates. And the thing is about the boys is it used to have a lot of relatively clever satire, but I felt as if the more it went on, the more it was literally just in your face with, oh, look, they are literally doing this, doing that to one another. Especially with that, oh, I kind of remember the episodes, but basically the hero or the episode of Hero-gasm. That's the one, yeah. Yeah, like going from satire to just parody. Yeah. And then just spoof. Yeah, because it felt more like, you know, the old parody movies like scary movie, epic movie, those kind of, that's what it genuinely felt like. And they built it up saying, oh, it was going to be the grossest episode ever. And I thought, I don't care for a stoner comedy. I don't expect it to be like the Citizen Kane of, you know, superhero satire. Again, this is a rather joke, but I still haven't seen Citizen Kane, but I do love using that analogy. Oh yeah, same. I've not seen it either, but you know what, this looks boring. Am I going to reference it for the rest of my life? Yes. A hundred percent. The Kane from Citizen Kane, yeah.
00:50:49
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yeah Rosebud, the main character of Citizen Kane. What a champ. The more you watch it in the later seasons and everything, it's not clever. There's not really anything new that they're saying. All they're doing is they're reverting back to, you know that old Reddit stereotype of the guy with the fedora and he just wears a lot. He wears the black trench coat. Nothing personal, the lady, etc. That's what it kind of feels like now that it's just so gory over the top, and I swear I'm not clutching my perils or anything with that. I know that's kind of the tone that they set at the very beginning, but it's just there's nothing really new or kind of clever being said. But what I'm laughing at is more the fact that the people who obviously didn't realise they were getting made fun of, they're a bit like, you know that scene out of Friends where it's like joy that just figures out something when he's smiling along and then his eyes go wide and he's like, oh my God! but oh yeah yeah I can imagine them watching it from season one to four and then someone going, oh my God, that's a parody. It's not overly clever that it's hard to catch on that that's the kind of people that they're satirising, making fun of, whatever adjectives you want to put in here. But again, you're completely right though, the psycho of one side saying, oh, I don't like this because it's making fun of me, but then the other side saying, oh, they're going to hate that. art yeah but It's just not productive really in terms of the discourse and especially for content creators. Would you say that makes your job as a content creator harder? Every time there's a new wave of female custods or god black doctor who, my YouTube channel and my completely unrelated videos get another wave of comments saying things like DEI got to this. or false diversity ruined this game and every single time there's another stupid load of discourse it just has this ripple effect of commenters flying across YouTube like they've just shotgunned out onto the internet and they just start barfing bollocks in my comments section and I'm like oh great it's just another pile of morons like flying into my... but also in the sense where it's quite reductive in terms of the battlegrounds on which these are fought so often tend to be things like the discussion of race and LGBT people. Every single time somebody hoists up, let's say like a trans main character and goes like, the riot gonna hate that we've done this, I find it so reductive because I'm like, this does not need to still be a debate. Trans people exist, so it's like, you just put that out there. This idea that we need to like have conversations and like explain to people or have these arguments and I'm like, they just exist. it doesn't matter. To even acknowledge an argument to the alternative is just a waste of your time in my opinion. So to make these statements where you're like, oh this character's trans, how do you feel about that right wing? I'm like, you're putting them on the table in terms of the argument and I feel like it's so, I don't know, I feel like it's so reductive and it's cruel and I find that that tends to influence the content that you make as well because I feel like we've kind of stepped back a little bit because these, I are being waged so often and now it's all DEI and you know women in this and women in that. We're having arguments about women in Warhammer so intently that it reminds me of being back at school when people didn't think that girls played games. It's getting so it's like so bad that it's still on that level and I don't know I feel like the more you acknowledge and engage in these like stupid grifts the more you legitimize it and it just comes back full force it just seems silly to me. I don't know about how you feel.
00:54:27
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Oh no, I'm totally
Streaming vs Podcasting Platforms
00:54:28
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with you there. I nearly had to flashback when you mentioned the Custodes conversation. I've already read the word, sorry. Didn't know how to pronounce it. No, no, no. As a Custode Custode, I could be saying it wrong to be fair. I went around calling, I think there's a character called Caiphus Cain. I went around calling him Caiphus Cain. I was like, oh boy, my face is red, because I said it. And then the person I was on with, I did an episode on what it would be like to live in the 40k universe. I'm a very exciting streamer, robotic battle toaster. And first of all, a Amazing Name is an Adeptus Mechanicus player. He kept saying Caiaphas and I was like, okay, you know what, he's maybe mispronounced. And then I was talking to a friend who got me into Warhammer and he was like, oh yeah, it's Caiaphas, it's not Caiaphas. And I was like, what? I've been saying this to you, like to this friend for years and you've not corrected me. It's like, yeah what are you going to do? Oh, like with a Killian Murphy and Sylvia Murphy. Oh, of course. Yeah.
00:55:24
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But yeah, going back to what you were saying there, it just gets tiring to be honest. It is so tiring for such non-issues because I think what annoys me more, and again, I completely agree with you in people trying to provoke that outrage, but then vice versa, the very easily provoked that are like again, they are signed stupid points on the flip side. But I think what annoys me the most is you can definitely tell where the starting point was for a lot of these conversations and it irritates the hell out of me. I don't know if you saw the Starship Troopers controversy. Say the words media literacy. They have been floating around so much recently. I am so tired of the word media literacy. Oh I cannot stand it because it was this guy who was like hey this fascism society is kind of cool and people were like well no that's not the point of the movie you know and obviously there's differences between the books and the film and that's a whole other conversation but the fact is the whole film by Paul Verhoeven was a whole parody of fascism and oh look how amazing it would be and of course this guy didn't get it at all. Which not that it's all finding good but I feel as if nowadays a lot of people when it's going back to a point you made way earlier that people don't give others a chance
00:56:45
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to actually redeem themselves. They're not actually explaining why they're wrong, they're just laughing at them. And you can definitely tell why a lot of people do. I'm not saying that's right, but you can tell why a lot of people, whether it's left or right, gravitate towards people who aren't making fun of them. Especially when it comes to silly conversations like Starship Troopers of all things. Or Helldivers. Oh my god, yeah, Helldivers. Yep, yep. Oh, are we the bad guys? It's like... Did you not see the sketch?
00:57:17
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like There is literally a sketch about this. It's absolutely baffling, but instead of trying to explain to either side, oh, this is why you should be thinking of it like this. Don't get me wrong, not everybody's receptive to that because you get, and this really irritates me, I don't know about you, but you get people who use the laughing emoji. They'll say a really stupid point, but then they'll have five laughter emojis that. Oh yeah. Tainting the laughter emoji. I use that, liberally. People always think I'm really angry. It's just it's so passive and aggressive when people are like, oh, you don't know good games or science fiction or blah, blah, blah. Oh, ha, ha, ha, ha. It just comes across as unhinged to be quite honest. It is beyond annoying. And what is really bad as well, and I find it disgusting behaviour personally, is when a lot of people nowadays are getting like a lot more visceral threats online. Again, 90% of them probably will just be trolls or whatever, but I think you'll have a better perspective of this than I do. In terms of women on the internet as well, that there's a lot more auditness and almost a demand for justification. like If you see a female content creator that has said, oh, I received a death threat because I like, let's say, Star Wars, for example, there'll be hundreds of comments. I'll be scrolling through and people are like, oh, well, what's the proof? Or oh yeah prove it kind of thing. It's like, this isn't a court. This is somebody saying they've been threatened. And instead of having people call out this behaviour to say whether this has happened or not happened, this is unacceptable. And no, immediately it's jumping to the defensive of, well, maybe they didn't mean it. Yeah, defending a hypothetical person. Yeah, that's not even there or is there or, you know, they have no bearing on that particular situation. They're an outsider, but they choose to believe that the person who's saying that kind of thing is just, yeah, just lying or whatever. It's just a weird debate tip Luckily I have flown under the radar of a lot of these, I think because I don't know, I don't know what vibes I give off, but I definitely don't get as much of use as I've seen other women get online. I got called a waste of a hole once, which kind of threw me through a loop for a while. That's horrible. Yeah, like it wasn't too bad. My thing is I get a lot of people messaging me to ask me if they can send me videos of them masturbating. I get that a lot, but to the point where it's become a bit of a bit funny now. I send them a PayPal link and then I blocked them.
00:59:49
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But yeah, I think that a lot of the time when you get abuse, the abuse is literally just like, you are a woman. Be it somebody being like, get in the kitchen. That's just you are a woman when you think about it, isn't it? Or people calling you shrill. Stephanie Sterling commented that since she transitioned, she has had people calling her shrill all the time compared to before. Equally ragey, equally angry. Never got called shrill. which was quite gender reaffirming, which is quite nice. But now when I see people calling me shrill or like shrieking or something, I'm like, that's just you are a woman as well. So a lot of it is just down to that. But I think a lot of people think that it completely delegitimizes you to just be a woman in some way.
01:00:26
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which can be kind of frustrating because there's no way that you could ever debate that. But once you get it enough, you just get used to it, which is kind of ridiculous to have to say out loud. But after a while, you just either, if you're in a good mood, you can just scroll past it. But if you're in a bad mood, you'll hide user from channel. So it kind of depends on how it hits you and what what kind of day it is. I don't know, but that's horrible though. yeah go sorry, I don't want to put you down at the end of the episode but to be like, oh, that's horrible. Anyway, it's been one bit. No, it is honestly just horrible watching because I've had a lot of female streamers and content creators as well, and they are all absolutely way fantastic people here. They make absolutely amazing and content. But when you see that particular standard that a lot of them seem to be held up to in comparison to male counterparts, and that is very apparent as well on Twitter.
01:01:16
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where people say that, oh, women get it on easy mode and things like that. Oh, hell no. for Exactly. For example, the hot tub controversy as well, which don't get me wrong, I don't think it was the right thing for Twitch to do, create a whole category on that. At the same time, there's loads of people who are like, oh, it's easy. Just be a woman going to hot tub. Oh, you're going to get hundreds of thousands of dollars and things like that or pounds or whatever. The thing is, the reason that these particular women are popular is because, and go back to what we were talking about before, there are all these people who are either hate watching or giving money to this particular person. So the fact that they're there to money from that, that's not their fault. No. Yeah. Why is the magnifying glass not on the fewest? Yeah, it's 100% on the people who are funding and supporting that. You can't support something. That's the thing I always find weird. You can't support a particular property or a community or a creator or whatever, and then get really confused when the studio or the creator, whatever, they do more with it, yeah you know, and they make more content. And then you're like, oh, how did this happen? And you're like, well,
01:02:29
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Honestly, it's like primary school logic here. it's not even to though You don't even have to have a PhD or anything to figure out that money plus person equals more thing. Honestly, it's just absolutely baffling that I think that people can say that women on Twitch, especially for streaming or even YouTube, like, oh, it's supposed to be a heck of a lot easier. It's so hard to become a streamer regardless of gender. I do honestly believe that it's borderline impossible to make it on Twitch. Now, all of the people that I've seen on Twitch that are established tend to have been people that got in early, maybe as early as when it was just in TV. But there's a few streamers that I follow called like Eliyaz and Lobos Jr. And they are two very normal, very nice, unproblematic men. They are reasonably handsome. They are very lovely. They play fun games and they do challenge runs. If they started Twitch two years ago, they would probably both be sitting at 100 followers each nowadays, I think. And I think that the only way you grow on Twitch nowadays is by being extremely exceptional in terms of being maybe extremely problematic or being very clippable, very arguable, very toxic, or just bringing a following over from somewhere else like Instagram, YouTube, or whatever. I think that people tend to assume that women have it on easy mode more as a projection of their own frustration with the fact that they're doing everything they can and it's just not working. So it has to be the fact that there aren't creeps in their comment section. I love hot tub streamers. I love titty streamers because what people don't seem to realize is that there is like an ocean of weirdos on Twitch. and titty streamers are like the damn around everybody else because obviously the thing is they don't consent to harassment but in regards to what they post and what they kind of expect in their comments they have an informed consent they know what they are doing and they know what service they're selling so and you know they they obviously have their own rules within that but somebody goes in and they're like, oh, I would suck your toes. They're like, I'm just going to ignore that. That's fine. If somebody came into my chair and said that my mods would probably ban them. I don't know if I would laugh, but it would be weird. You know, people don't realize that if those titty streamers go, then that damn goes, but that ocean doesn't go away. They all just flood in. And I think that they're like, oh, women get all these freaks in their chat and that means that they become big streamers. It's like, no, you don't want the people that watch tiddie streamers in your chat, man or woman. You know, you don't want somebody who is there to masturbate to people on camera in your chat talking to you because they're not going to be laughing along and donating and stuff. They're just going to be harassing you. So I think that it's a difficult sense of perspective. People are like, oh, I'm not successful, so it must be the women. And it's like, no, there's way more nuance to the situation than you're giving credit to. Although I'm 100% there with you. I actually believe the exact same thing because when I started streaming, again, I was trying to think of ways to promote myself and everything. you know I started in 2020, though, when the whole time. Oh, same! 20s! high five. And I really struggled, I have to say, in the sense that I really wanted to quit and everything. And again, I wasn't saying, oh, it's because of the hot tubs. You know, obviously it wasn't. But on the one hand, I was thinking, you know, I was getting really down about why no one was coming to my streams and things. And that is honestly just the luck of the draw.
01:05:42
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Sometimes you will get noticed, sometimes you won't, and that is perfectly fine. like Not everyone's journey is going to be the same. But on that note, when I saw those idiots say, all the women have got the viewers, and I was like, I do not want those freaks anywhere near me. I'm going to be honest here, there's a time and a place for that kind of thing. That is not on Twitch. You don't want men asking to suck your toes? What kind of service are you providing? Unless you're subscribed to patreon dot.com forward slash chat tsunami. Welcome to Only Feet forward slash chat tsunami. Well, one day, one day. Branching out, diversifying the income. And I'm looking at the red pandalator in the corner, yippee saying. Yeah, he's waving his hand, so for legal reasons that is a joke.
01:06:27
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That is a joke, but oh yeah you're completely right. It is an almost containment of them. It's like if they want to be in that cluster, I don't yeah agree with it, but I don't want them coming anywhere near me. I have to say if people want to be freaky or whatever, don't go to Twitch for God's sake. Don't do that. Come on, guys. But again, you know as long as they're well away, I couldn't care less. But I totally know what you mean in terms of the numbers and viewers and things. is It is really difficult to promote yourself as a streamer. And that's why I kind of moved on to podcasting because I feel as if, although podcasting has its own problems in terms of the fact there's so many of them and the fact there's so many professional ones out there, not that Chatsunami isn't professional, of course. of course of course
01:07:16
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it's just it's very hard to establish yourself. And I mean, there was a creator that I used to follow called, I think her name's Ashley Rice. They could be wrong in that. She does a lot of how to promote yourself and things like that on YouTube and other places. And she did a great video where she talked about dropping out of Twitch despite being a Twitch partner. I think she was getting like 150 euros concurrently. But at the same time, the cost versus what she was putting into was it wasn't really weighing up. And I do feel at times that Twitch is quite exploitative in that regard. oh yeah Without streamers, they're not getting content. If we weren't there to stream or to podcast on it or whatever, or the hot tubs were being inflated on there, they're not getting any money. And despite the fact that people put hundreds of hours in, it's just it's really hard to be, as you said, a famous on other platforms and then they come over from YouTube, TikTok or God forbid Twitter or even and they say, oh I'm going to stream and whatever because what I find quite odd as well is you know the amount of subreddits for streamers. I keep forgetting that I'm still signed up to them from 2020 so I keep seeing people pop up and it's like oh, can anybody tell me how to set up for my stream and everything? Oh, Fall for Fall and things. I'm like, oh, those are my dark days. It's really difficult and I don't think it helps with that kind of outside perception, especially with people saying, oh, look at so-and-so, they streamed FIFA, June and lockdown and they are a million there now or whatever, or a hundred thousand there.
01:08:59
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ah But do you get this as not just as a sh streamer but as well a YouTuber, do you get the criticism that oh it's really easy because all you have to do is sit in front of a microphone and just speak and that's it suddenly you're raking in the views? I think that YouTube is fantastic for new creators. Because it's exactly what Twitch isn't. So to juxtapose the two, Twitch, it doesn't encourage like mobility through streamers. So let's say you're watching like Otstrava and Otstrava is doing a 16 hour Dead by Daylight stream. Otstrava is one of the biggest to biggest game in Twitch channels that I know. I don't know how big he is actually, but he's huge. He does it full time. He streams like 16 hours just for fun, just because he loves the sports so much. If you're sat there for 16 hours watching one man, you're not moving through other channels. It kind of clusters a lot of viewers together in one place. And when he's done, let's say he raids another person in his Twitch team and you need to be a partner to be in a Twitch team and usually they're invite only. So he'll, he'll move his followers onto somebody else who has like 16,000 followers. So there's no incentive to feed towards the bottom. I've been streaming for like four years. After a while, after about three years, I got to the point where my average viewership was about 40. I never, ever, ever had a higher audience than 100, ever. So this idea of essentially you're just kind of waiting for somebody massive to come and drop a viewership on your lap. And I streamed in during COVID, I streamed for like 2000 hours or something. I think I hit 600 subscribers, 600 followers in that time. Whereas with YouTube, People can watch multiple videos in an hour. They can watch multiple videos in a day. YouTube will recommend them related videos. YouTube puts a lot of effort into recommending like smaller channels as well. So it's constantly flooding people around and like moving them to different corners of YouTube. And I think that that's a much easier way. And also, if you're not streaming on Twitch, your channel is functionally dead. If you're not live, people aren't going to visit you. Whereas with YouTube, you can put something up and two years later, it might have a thousand views. It's still a ball that's rolling, even if it's rolling slowly. You know what? Actually, I forgot what your original question was.
01:11:01
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but I hope I've answered it slightly. Oh, perfect. I have to say you made a fantastic point there. Thank you. Well, not that you haven't been before. okay first one no now yeah welldo kity I feel as if with Twitch, and I'm totally there with you, I feel as if it's a lot more dynamic in the way that you have to promote yourself. Personally for me, I feel as if YouTube doesn't really do anything for me in terms of promoting the podcast, but that's fine because I can promote it on Twitter or other places. and yeah I get the lessons kind of where it matters with the podcast apps and the website rather than with YouTube, which for some reason does not translate the lessons from there to the RSS feed, which is really weird. But I know, it's really surprising. That sucks. Because I'm watching one of the episodes shoot up to like 50 views and I'm like, now some of them might have just clicked on it, realised it was a podcast and then clicked right off again. But you know what? Those are my a fake listen. At least with YouTube, you can just, as you said, you upload a video, you can even leave it. There was a video I remember making years ago, and this is like well before I think it was during school or maybe uni just as I claimed it. But it might have been during school when it was like this. Really stupid, bright video. I think it was like a dragon ball
01:12:24
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a parody or something, but I'd made it and I checked back on it. And although I've completely lost access to the channel now, it got 8,000 views at the time. And this was a couple of years ago. Again, you know, that's kind of like a nice wee time capsule for me that I can look back and go, remember when I was making cringe videos? But it's weird to see that people were still years later commenting on it and saying, oh, I think us. Oh, you should have done that. Although, whether you agree or disagree with what they were saying, at the end of the day, people were noticing that. And I do think that YouTube is very important for that as well, that it's a great way to stay visible. Because as I said, I don't get as many listens or views as maybe I would like to in YouTube, but it's good to have it. It's good to be there and the off chance that someone's going through videos and their minds is recommended and they might go through the rabbit hole and say, oh, let's listen to this. Yeah, the old binge. Yeah, the old binge. It's a dangerous game you should have to say. But you're completely right. Compared to Twitch, Twitch is just an uphill struggle because I've seen so many of my friends that have gone on to Twitch and they're absolutely lovely people, absolutely fantastic at what they do. But you just look at the viewers and things and you think they should be getting so much more. But again, it's also a time commitment because if I was to go away and watch one of your videos, I can watch that any time I want. Whereas if you were going to go stream and I was out and about, I can't be in the middle of like a hill walk or something. And then it's like, oh, Kirsty's streaming. Oh, OK. I'll just stop what I'm doing and watch you play whatever game. It is a commitment. Even if you're rewatching The Void, it doesn't reflect on that. That's what was used to get me down during Covid because people were still doing their own things and they would put you on in the background so you were more likely to get a viewership whereas, as you said nowadays, it's been quite a while since I've last streamed and I'm glad to get back into it eventually. I don't think I would do it as often as I used to do it. Oh yeah, same. Maybe once a week, a couple of weeks maybe. I can't see myself going back to the dark days of the lockdowns and things. Oh yeah. Yeah, I did six hours a day during Griffiths. A day? Oh my God. A day, yeah. How did she do this? I would do 8pm till 2am then I would sleep and I would get up to work remotely. I'd wake up at 9am but I worked at the first company so I was a UX designer and they absolutely did not want a UX designer. They got a UX designer because the CEO said you have to have one. So the less I did at that company the happier Yeah, they were. So I remember I would hop on, I'd be like, any work for me today? They'd be like, no, I'd be like, all right, and I'd go for a nap. And then because I'd had a nap during the day, I'd be ready to stream in the evening. But yeah, absolutely unfathomable hours still on Twitch. I genuinely cannot imagine doing that. I mean, I've done a handful of six-hour streams. They absolutely demolished me. Oh, yeah, they do. To celebrate, I think it was 600 falls or something for a milestone. I think I played six hours of Sonic 06.
01:15:35
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Oh wow. And I only got through one story out of three or four and I was like, oh my god, I am absolutely shattered after this because it is a very, very long and arduous game. You do have to build the stamina for it, I have to say. I think the worst stream, well not worst, but the longest one I ever did to celebrate one year of being on Twitch was a 12-hour stream. Never again. Oh yeah. I'm gonna be honest, it was... I mean, it was split up into four sections. I did one where I played the very first game that I played on Twitch. I did one all about Sonic, I did one about Fall Guys, and then the last one was getting spooked in Phasmophobia. Love that game. Oh, it's so good, isn't it? I haven't played it in a while, mind you. It looks completely different though. Same. Waiting for the console port. Is that still not out yet? No, the office burnt down. Oh my god. Yeah. Gossip. Sorry, carry on.
01:16:28
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No, I genuinely don't know that. I've been sitting here going, I wonder what's taken them so damn long? And I'm like, our office is literally on fire. Ah, lazy ones. We lost everything. Nah, it's no excuse. Nah, fuck, we got reasons. That's a joke. But no, I hope they're all right. Geez, oh. It was a while ago. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was a while ago. Put the Slowpoke meme here, just like, are they okay? It's like, oh, I mean, it's gone in the nashes, but yeah, yeah. Slope out meme, what a callback. I know, honestly. See the amount of memes and things that happen up or... Bottom text. Your move, bottom text.
01:17:03
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ah see the amount of memes all you get nowadays and I know this is such an old man thing to complain about but the amount of memes that seep through from TikTok and it's like oh look at this it's the blim blam oh you never heard of the blim blam meme I'm like I have no idea what you're saying you might as well be speaking I don't know a foreign language because I have no idea what you're saying it's getting old isn't it <unk> Yeah, the ravages of age. I don't know what skibbity toilet is and I never will. I saw one video on it and then I never went back to it again. Just no interest, is there? No. I'm like, I've got enough in my head. I don't want to kick anything out to make room for this. I am good in not knowing. And again, this is the last point I swear. That is the balance, isn't it though? That you want to be updated for trends and things. You know you want to know what's popular so you can promote. Well, for us it's the podcast, for you it would be your videos and content, but the they are just nonsense you come across. And do you think, I have a zero interest in engaging with this? Just kind of filter through it, don't you? You're like, this is garbage. Did you ever end up in TikTok for promoting yourself?
Platform Critiques and Farewell
01:18:10
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ah No, never actually. Good. Is it bad? Oh, it's horrific. Obviously, because we're doing this all your own way, but I'm not really one to show my face on TikTok or things like that because, you know, at the end of the day, they're coming for the content. They're not coming to see my face or anything. It's horrifying that that would be. I'm an extra and still wakes the deep by the way. So if you look in the background, it's me running around. Oh yeah. Again, for legal reasons, that's a half joke.
01:18:34
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But the amount of people who, you know, they're doing the dances or whatever, but it just seems as if everything's just ad after ad. It's actually getting to the silly stage just now where it's like, oh, video of someone I follow, advert of someone standing in the kitchen saying, oh, do you want to buy this dropship? I eat them that I got millions of in my cupboard. You're like, nope. you go to the next one that's an official ad, then you go to the next one and it's like a live of either someone playing a game, someone selling something or someone being borderline against the TOS and you're like okay I've had enough. Oh yeah I'm going to bed. I don't like to talk, I have to say it is not my favourite. I genuinely just shitpost there with broadcast memes and then I'm like okay call it a day. Perfect, so you need to do I used to use it a lot for Twitch, but no longer. But that very interesting closing point. First of all, Kirsty, thank you so, so much for joining me tonight and talking about your content and yeah, everything else. Thank you for inviting me. Sorry it took me so long. I think when you reached out to me, I was in Australia and I was like, I have to get home. I love a podcast. I'll accept any opportunity to go on a podcast. Although I'm worried that we went a bit off topic. Oh no, it's fine. It's absolutely fine. See, this is the thing I tell everybody who comes on who says, oh, I talked too much or I went off topic. It's like, that's perfectly fine because otherwise I don't have content. That is like the terror that if I invite somebody on and it's like, how are you doing today? Fine. And then that's it. Just. Yeah. What video is next? What are you going to talk about in the video? I don't know. But no, honestly, it has been such a pleasure having you on. And yeah, before we wrap up, where can these absolutely lovely listeners at home find your content? They can find me at MurtKK on YouTube. M-E-R-T-K-A-Y-K-A-Y. It's Turkish for John's Skateboard. Massive mistake. I get loads of Turkish messages. Or Twitch.tv forward slash MurtKK. I'm there too. Yeah. Come by. Don't send me any weird messages. Yeah, for the love of God, please don't.
01:20:35
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Please stop asking. The answer is always no. I am not reviewing the boys' forks. yeah If you want to listen to more content from ourselves, then of course you can check us out at our website, Chatsunami.com, as well as all good podcast apps. I also want to give a huge shout out to our Pandora and Patrons, Robotic Battles, Austin and Sonya. Thank you so, so much as always for supporting the show. And if you would like a exclusive content, not the kind that we were talking about earlier, but other exclusive content like early access episodes. Feet pics. Well, that too will negotiate.
01:21:13
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01:21:49
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deh hydrated Welcome to Chatsunami, a variety podcast that discusses topics from gaming and films to anime in general interest. Previously on Chatsunami, we've analysed what makes a good horror game, conducted a retrospective on Pierce Brosnan's runs James Bond, and listened to us take deep dives into both the Sonic and Halo franchises. Also, if you're an anime fan, then don't forget to check us out on our sub-series, Chatsunani, where we dive into the world of anime. So far, we've reviewed things like Death Note, Princess Mononoke, and the hit Beyblade series. If that sounds like your cup of tea, then you can check us out on Spotify, iTunes, and all big podcast apps. As always, stay safe, stay awesome, and most importantly, stay hydrated.