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Cupcakes and Crime! A Discussion with Social Detective
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In this episode, Satsunami dives back into the world of true crime with the wonderful MaryAnne from the Social Detective podcast. From the dos and don'ts of criminal investigations and her own amazing work in the field to her baking career and interests outside the podcast, this is one episode you will not want to miss!
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Content Warning and Guest Introduction
00:00:00
Speaker
Hey everyone, Chatsunami here. Before we begin, I just want to warn you that in this episode, we'll be diving into discussions around true crime that some listeners may find upsetting. Listener discretion is advised.
00:00:17
Speaker
Welcome to Chatsunami.
00:00:29
Speaker
Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of Chatsunami. My name's Chatsunami and joining me today is an absolutely fantastic true crime podcaster. It is none other than Mary Ann from the Social Detective podcast. So first of all Mary Ann, thank you so much for coming on Chatsunami tonight. Oh thank you for inviting me. I'm always excited to collaborate with another podcaster and see the magic that happens on another type of podcast.
00:00:59
Speaker
Oh, absolutely. It's so strange what you find, isn't it, when you collaborate with another podcaster and you think, ah, that's how you do things. It's always exciting for me because I have no idea how technology works. So it's exciting because I always learn something new every time I get to see what another podcaster does.
00:01:19
Speaker
Yeah, I am honestly such a podcast magpie, as it were. I see what other people do and I'm like, okay, I'll nick that. I'll try doing this technique. I'll try doing that. And then, honestly, it's such a learning curve, isn't it? Oh, definitely. I have learned so much from all the youngsters out there. It's been great. I finally have learned how TikTok works and what a hashtag is. So it's been amazing.
00:01:46
Speaker
I mean, to be fair, you're a step ahead of me in terms of learning how TikTok works because I don't even understand it half the time. I had some wonderful people holding my hand, let me tell you. Oh, absolutely. I know, I just post. Well, nowadays I think I just post podcast memes and then think, you know what, that'll do for the day. yeah but So as I was saying, you're on the absolutely fantastic social detective podcast. And before we get into what you do with the podcast, am I right in saying that you've started this as far back as July 2021?
Starting the Podcast for a Cold Case
00:02:24
Speaker
Correct.
00:02:25
Speaker
Yeah, I had started it in July of 2021, kind of on a crazy whim, because I felt like I had no other choice. And I'm the last person who should have a podcast, obviously, but I decided to give a voice to my friend's cold case that I saw so many other people making advances on cold cases with podcasts that I was trying to reach out to other larger true crime podcasters and try to get them to cover my friend's cold case, but nobody was really giving it a platform. So I decided that I would just do it myself.
00:03:07
Speaker
you say that you should be the last person to have a podcast. but i mean Personally, I think you do a fantastic job with it, and I'm not just saying that because you're on, to be fair. We'll keep that between you and me. yeah Yeah, don't worry. The PayPal payment will be coming through soon, don't worry. That's right. yeah But yeah, no, you do absolutely fantastic work. As you said, you deal with a lot of cool cases in Kansas. And as you were saying there, am I right in saying it was the case for Krista Martin? Correct. Yeah, my friend Krista Martin was sexually assaulted and murdered on October 1st of 1989. And we grew up together and were good friends. And her family had not
00:03:54
Speaker
really been a part of that case and nobody was giving her a voice and for 34 years I diligently worked on that case. I constantly was reaching out to media. I was doing everything I could to try to move her case forward and it was going nowhere. Police really wouldn't talk to me because I wasn't family. And then my brother actually became a suspect in the case, so it was even harder to get them to talk to me about her case. And then I was diagnosed with a terminal heart condition and I decided, well, I need to really do something about this. And that's when I decided to create a podcast.
00:04:37
Speaker
Out of curiosity though, because you started the podcast to give a voice to the voiceless as you said, but what was it about podcasts and in particular that drew you to it as opposed to something like YouTube?
00:04:51
Speaker
and I tried doing YouTube and one of the things I found is, again, I do not understand technology. I am somebody who still would have to call up my son to have him figure out how to work the remote controls after he moved out. I do not understand technology at all and so trying to figure out how to grain screen and those types of things, this sounds so stupid.
00:05:20
Speaker
But I couldn't figure it out and Spotify for Podcasters created that platform where I could do everything in one place and it was so easy. I thought, okay, yes, I can do this. And so, I mean, it should sound so much more dramatic and like something made for Dateline, but it was honestly the easiest thing I could do at times.
00:05:45
Speaker
No, but that's it! That's the dramatic story as to why I chose that method. I mean, to be fair, that is completely valid.
Podcast's Impact on Solving Cases
00:05:56
Speaker
And I don't know if you've noticed this over the years, the being in the true crime community as it were, but the amount of high production value that some of these true crime content creators put into the videos is just absolutely astounding. Oh, definitely. Absolutely. And that's what's so crazy to me, because if you listen to my podcast and my journey and everything, because 34 years and with my past and everything of working in the investigative profession and everything. So I have all of that experience. And it was after I started the podcast, a year after that, we actually solved her case.
00:06:39
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And so we solved her case and we got answers and we were able to do to actually accomplish that. I mean, we were able to give her such a voice and amplify everything to such a level. And it was like, oh my gosh, you know, wow, we did this. And so I started taking how I did that, which is why we call it the social detective, because it's basically teaching people how to use social media to amplify their loved one's cases and to raise their loved one's voice and how to force the hand of law enforcement to get answers on their loved one's cases. And I spend more time teaching loved ones than I probably do actually doing my podcasts and working with the victim's families and those types of things to to help them get answers on cases. And we've actually solved four other cases as well. So I prefer to do that point. And then I end up doing a small awareness on the case, but I really love working with the victim's families. And when they're actually able to finally get answers on their loved one's case, it's just incredible. It honestly must be, and I know this is an understatement, but it must just be so rewarding working on these kinds of cases and then being able to come to a resolution and, as you said, you give the victims' families their closure about what happened because I feel as if that is the case with a lot of, and again, not every single true crime content creator and podcaster, but there's a lot of them that read off the cliff notes of the case and they'll say, oh, this is so and so. They were tragically XYZ. And then they read out a script and then they put it to the side, say, OK, that's my video done. Let's move on to the next one. But with you, it does sound as if you're a lot more personal with them that you are and they are actively trying to see if you can move these cold cases along. And that's what I usually try to get across to people when they do contact me or when somebody comments on my podcast, when they try to say, well, you haven't put this podcast out yet, or you haven't covered this case yet. I try to explain to them, I'm an investigative podcast, first of all. So if you reach out to me, and as in the most recent podcast I did on the case of Colby Shepard, that actually started out when a family member reached out to me on the missing person case of Kendra Botello in Enid, Oklahoma. and over the two years that she's been missing, I just noticed things didn't seem right and people were contacting me and things just seemed really off from the family members that were contacting
Colby Shepherd Case Developments
00:09:31
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me. And so I contacted, cause I always tell people, we're not here to solve cases. That is not a podcaster's job. That's the investigator's job. So we work really closely with the police department and I started reaching out to the police department saying, there is something really off with this case.
00:09:49
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There's people reaching out to me in the community. There's Colby Shepherd, her boyfriend, which they were saying that he had something to do with her disappearance. There were just a lot of things not matching up. So what I did is I started talking to his mom and I continued to communicate with the police department in Enid, Oklahoma. And then the boyfriend ended up going missing. The case got very, very strange. And then his remains ended up being found. The boyfriend, Kendra Battello, is still missing. But then we found the boyfriend's remains with cadaver dogs were uncovered. And it turned out a newscaster that used to work here in Wichita then went to talk to the grandmother that had reached out to me is going to get a little convoluted. And I'm sorry, you may have to cut it up. The grandmother who began talking to me those two yeah years ago about the missing Kendra Battello, he went and interviewed her and she admits on TV that she had something to do with the murder of the boyfriend. oh wow And so from the get-go thought, there's something really odd about this case. And I had done a few podcasts about it of there's something off here. There is something really off. We need to talk to law enforcement and people in Edith, Oklahoma started reaching out to me. And so since then, her son has been arrested. Five people have been arrested for his murder. Kendra is still missing. And that case, it's one of those things of, you know, I'm not going to put them on an interview. It's still a little crazy that that newscaster did. It was like a Robert Durst moment where she just admits it. But I'm not there to do that. And I just give the information to the police department.
00:11:40
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I have a lot of those kind of weird moments. And unfortunately, it ends up happening to me a lot. And I keep trying to tell people that's not what I'm here for. I'm just here to raise the victim stories. And if you have this information, please take it to the police department. Not to me. I really don't want this information. I want you to take it to the police department. Honestly, that is such an important thing and I'm so glad you raised it there are because it feels as if, and again, I'm not criticising any particular true crime podcasters because trust me, I would not want to get in their bad side. The fact is that there's a lot of either whether they're true crime podcasters or they're just general content creators and they come across a particular case or something that sparks their curiosity and they go, oh, this guy's weird or, oh, this person went missing and they all do their own, I think the term people use nowadays are TikTok investigators. They basically try to get as much information as possible and I know while some of them might have good intentions, there's that other half that they want to get the clout and the glory to say, oh look, I solved this case when in reality they really shouldn't be anywhere near it. Or even if they are near it, they should be, as you were saying, give their information that we stover to the police or to the appropriate law enforcement because it does seem that way.
Ethical Issues in True Crime Community
00:13:11
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But do you find, again, because you are definitely the
00:13:14
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ah True Crime may expire here, but do you feel as if that is a problem within the True Crime community? Absolutely, and we have a book that will actually be coming out where we do exposés and we're talking about this, and it's been a huge problem. What we want to see is that laws get passed for true crime creators because they need to have some sort of ownership when they cross lines that can create problems where victims and their families may not get justice because what they're doing can inhibit an investigation. And I've gotten quite vocal about that on social media because I have seen it happen firsthand. What happens is when, and I'm trying to remember the case if it was Nicola Bully, where in the UK where a person had actually interfered with the crime scene in that case,
00:14:14
Speaker
And it happens quite a few times, or especially with the Idaho murders here in the United States, where people did that, and then they were chasing down people who had a white car, no matter who or what they were. What happens is, then the defense is able to find loopholes within this and say, oh, well now this person isn't going to get a fair trial. because of the sensationalism that came within this case. We have Scott Peterson now who is trying to get a retrial because of the sensationalism that happened within that case years ago. Whenever that happens, it re-victimizes the family time and time again. And it's just so frustrating. Because I have to say, I've had a couple of true crime podcasters on the show before, Nicky from the Serial Napper podcast and Dawn from the Scottish Murders podcast, both absolutely incredible true crime podcasters, people who honestly treat the whole subject with the relevant reverence and you know respect and everything. But it's just it's so heartbreaking to see that on the flip side, you also get ones who
00:15:25
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really are just exploiting a tragedy essentially because it almost reminds me of and I think it was on Reddit, I could be wrong in this but I'm sure it was read out with the Boston marathon bombing where I don't know if you heard about this at the time. Yeah. yeah, where they got their own person and they were actively hounding their own family saying, oh, we've come together and we've found them and obviously they put the family under undue distress because I think at the end the person who they thought had committed the murder or rather the attack had passed away so obviously couldn't have been them it is quite disheartening because I know the aforementioned podcasts as I mentioned there and yourself you all treat it with such respect and you do a fantastic job at dealing with it but there's also been a few that I've seen online where it's just that way that they want to try and make it engaging and they'll catch your attention but at the same time you kind of look at it and you think well there's real people involved in this It's not just, oh, a celebrity or a podcaster or something did XYZ. It's real people in real lives. And I think I brought this up before, but there was a couple of videos I saw where it was people eating while they were talking about them. And there was a woman who, I think she came out since to defend it and apologize, but she was doing her makeup on stream. yeah Yeah. Again, I know this is like saying water's wet, but it just seems baffling to me that there are creators out there that would repeat myself here to say exploit, but they would take this story and use it for content rather than thinking there's someone behind this story. Absolutely, completely disrespectful. And then we also have content creators, and there's one in general that I have really been in quite the spectacle beef with, who is... Oh, yeah. If you're familiar with BTK from Kansas.
00:17:28
Speaker
his daughter is a true crime creator and she has taken it upon herself to create a spreadsheet of cases in Kansas and the surrounding area that are unsolved that she then has become some sort of her own type of detective, I would say. And she's created a BTK task force that she says her dad has committed these crimes and that she is now getting all of these people from her dad's old journals. She's trying to get all of these people up and arms on these cases and saying that we need to get my dad because he did these crimes. And she's created this movement and the sensationalism on these cases. But she hasn't done her due diligence and her research on these cases because I don't cover a case without speaking to family first. I always go to the families, I always talk to them, and then I talk to the investigators. And usually most of my cases are generally the families come to me first, and then I cover the case. But some of these cases that she has put on the spreadsheet that she has posted on social media as her father's victims, some of them are actually already solved, just the bodies haven't been found and the killers, they are in prison, but she is still saying her dad did the crimes.
00:18:59
Speaker
other crimes that I had already covered and I had already talked to law enforcement and had been aware of that they had a potential suspect. They just didn't have enough to come forward to talk about it yet. And she had made up evidence being on the case, and I was very vocal lie about it on a podcast, and that was the case of Shawna Beth Garber. It later came out that, again, her information was incorrect, and a suspect was later, because of DNA, they were able to finally announce the suspect on the case.
00:19:34
Speaker
But she is quite vocal on these cases. She went to crime con. She put on some very disrespectful attire to the families of Kansas and that type of thing. And she's now blocked me on social media because I just want to have a conversation with her. But that's somebody I do have. a I mean, I have a very big problem with how she approaches her content and the way she portrays it with these families. I have a huge problem with that. Oh no wonder. I'm actually shocked listening to that to be fair. That is absolutely crazy to think about. And again it goes back to that idea of you have to have boundaries for these kind of things and I have heard the horror stories of certain victims of these crimes and their families that they get hounded by these true crime creators and whether or not you like it and this is a horrifying thought to me because god forbid if anything happened to me I would hate the fact that someone without checking first and making sure it was alright just slapping my red pant on a thumbnail and being like oh weird it's that tsunami go, you know it just seems like basic human decency to at least ask the people involved because I've talked to I think it was Nikki when we were talking about from Zero Napper and in that episode she had said that she was approached by someone to take down an episode which of course she did.
00:21:03
Speaker
because it was causing issues at home. So that is definitely the way that you go about that kind of thing. But to go to crime con, and as you said, make a spectacle out of it, it just seems quite ghoulish, doesn't it? Yeah, I don't know if you've ever seen the pictures of crime con, but they will recreate crime scenes and have their pictures taken. Oh dear. Yeah, it is quite ghoulish. I mean, that's the perfect word for it. And it's just so inappropriate. And I understand, you know, people within true crime, sometimes we utilize dark humor as a way to especially I mean, I was in the investigative field for 20 years. I mean, sometimes, yeah, a little bit of dark humor helps you relieve the stress, but never to a point that it would disrespect the victims or the families of violent crime. that's going too far. Because that's the thing, it feels almost as if they're treating it like a game of Cluedo rather than a real person that's been afflicted by the crime because I have to say and I mean this in the nicest possible way, some of your episodes were really hard to get through and it was wasn't because of your voice, it wasn't because of your head. I just wanted to point that out. But some of the episodes I listened to, whether it was the episodes where law enforcement were taking advantage of people, whether it was kidnappings and murders, there was one horrible one. I can't remember the name of this off the top of my head, apologies, but it was about the woman who got into a relationship with a man and then I think she left him and then eventually he assaulted her and then kidnapped her and killed or tried to kill both her step parents or her parents. It was just vile, and it was horrific. And again, not you. I promise, not you. yeah But just the facts you were going through, it was horrible to think. And I mean, there was another one I was listening to where you were talking about people targeting particularly vulnerable members of the community and women especially. And it was just
00:23:06
Speaker
You were listening to it, and I just, I could not think how someone could take that and not think, right, okay, this is a horrible case. Maybe I'll put a joke or two in there, because I'm completely with you. I do think that if you do have a slight sense of humour, it must have gone a long way for that, because you can get absorbed in that too much. Otherwise, you would just be overcome by it. But for people who treat it like a joke or, as we said, do you know, a game or, oh, look, it's to try and find the killer. which you know Those games can be fun, but that's precisely what they are. They're games. If Colonel Mustard was a real person, you better believe I wouldn't be laughing about it. yeah it just It seems quite strange, but that kind of brings me on to another particular point. Is there any particular topics you find quite difficult to address in your podcast? I think it's always the typical of everybody, anything to do with children. I think I'm in a little bit of a different position, though, on that this is going to be one of those morbid moments that in my previous life in my career, I worked
00:24:15
Speaker
specifically in sex crimes, and I dealt with a lot of kids. So I have a way to compartmentalize that a little bit differently. So those cases, yes, they're difficult, but I can't cover those. And I probably cover more of those than most podcasters.
00:24:34
Speaker
because I have a history and I can cover those. I think one of the hardest ones I'm having right now, and I promised to have it out about a month ago, but I am struggling so hard to get through it, is about police law enforcement dogs.
Challenges Covering Police Dog Cases
00:24:54
Speaker
there has been an uptick of deaths of working law enforcement dogs. We're finding that it's because handlers are abusive, maltreating these animals and, you know, not all handlers, but specific areas and specific things. And so I've been diving into that and going into
00:25:18
Speaker
Gosh, as you can tell, it's already choking me up. Animals and children, especially these animals, they don't choose to go into this field of work and seeing some of the abuse that these animals have been put through, the steps that some of these police officers, police officers,
00:25:36
Speaker
are doing to these animals is really hard to get through. It has been so hard for me because, you know, I've worked with these type of animals. I have these type of animals. It has been so hard to see that members of the law enforcement community, those people with a badge and a gun that are supposed to be protecting if they're going to do that to an animal, what are they doing to the suspects? What are they doing to people who are vulnerable in our community? as a fellow dog owner as well when we were actually talking about this before we came on tonight to record but it is weird that although you know if you have a pet dog out there and they'll do things that all wind you up and everything and you might get mad at them or whatever far but at the end of the day as soon as everything cools down you realize oh well they're just acting as dogs as animals I have to say I'm totally in the same boat as you there I think that whenever you
00:26:34
Speaker
hear about these types of cases and how people can be so callous towards animals and especially dogs as well because as goofy as my dog is, she's almost like a wee fur baby to be honest. I think that's just the right term for it. She'll come up for cuddles and things, she'll want to be fed and she'll beg for treats even though she's had thousands. I always make that joke that my dog could probably be an actor in one of those are you on one of those dog charity videos where it's like, oh, this is so-and-so, they've not been fed. Even though she's had two dinners, she's managed to sneak out of both me and my partner, so I'm like, you cheeky wee bism. Honestly, like I'm totally with you. I cannot imagine doing that to an animal willingly and saying, oh, yeah, it's absolutely terrible. Again, I think you're in the majority and the consensus there in terms of when it comes to cases about animals and of course about children especially, those are the ones that I've noticed that a lot of true crime podcasters and content creators they really struggle with it and for obvious reasons it's definitely so difficult not only to listen to even when I hear someone talking about a particular case because but without naming names there have been very prolific ones over in the UK decades ago but
00:27:53
Speaker
I can't imagine how hard it would be for someone like yourself to have to go through the list of facts about the case and then, yeah, just have to summarise that really in an episode. Remembering the why, thinking of the call to action as to why, and these things do make a difference because here in Kansas, we had a police dog here named Bain. I'm very active politically. That's one thing you'll find out about me. And this wonderful dog, he's a Malinois that was here and they were tracking a domestic violence suspect who had gone into a tunnel and that suspect had taken the life of this dog. Many of us decided that the penalties for taking the life of a police dog, a police dog is not a piece of equipment, it is a fellow officer. And so the governor had farthest on this, but we were able to pass a law that if you take the life of a police dog, it is a stronger sentence and you have to undergo a mental health evaluation. You hurt a police dog. So that's what keeps me going as to why I want to do this podcast about this so that we can take that law and we could make it so it encompasses more of the United States, not just here.
00:29:12
Speaker
So I have to keep reminding myself that's why I need to finish that podcast because it needs to change more than just here in Kansas. We need to do this across the United States. These officers who take the lives of their partners in that police canine, they should get more than just fired from their job or lose pay for a little bit. They need to serve time and jail for killing that partner. That is more than just a dog. That was their partner. So yeah. now they make an absolute fantastic point because as you said these dogs they didn't obviously choose to be police s dogs they don't have the capacity to say oh i want to be a police officer because let's face it this isn't paw patrol or anything but
00:29:56
Speaker
ah Yeah, you're right. It is the responsibility of whoever has these dogs, whether it's the police or any other organisation, they have these dogs as their responsibility to train them to make sure that they're well cared for. And I mean, this is something that is drilled into the heads of every child who has a pet, you know, whether it's a dog or a cat, it's that idea of, oh, you have to look after them, you have to feed them, walk to them to them out and walks, you have to make sure that you understand that the this is a living creature that you have to basically take care of until the end. So for a grown adult, no less, in a position of authority and power to callously get rid of one, it is absolutely horrifying to think. And I do think it is absolutely fantastic that you're covering this particular thing. Because I feel as if, and this is I suppose almost the John Wick argument where a lot of people who watch that film without owning a dog before might say, oh, why is this guy getting so worked up over a dog? But then after you own a dog, you're like, you know what? I get it. I get it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, it's absolutely fantastic because as I said before, you cover not just the same type of cases, you cover an absolute variety of them. I honestly can't praise you enough for it. Sorry, I hope you don't get a big head from that.
00:31:19
Speaker
ah Oh no, that could never happen. But yeah, anybody who I think follows my social media. And that's one of the things that when I had started my TikTok, that I did get a few messages of people asking because my TikTok, I do a few where I talk about true crime. But if you really look at my TikTok, there's a lot with my dogs.
00:31:43
Speaker
yeah My dogs are all over my TikTok and I had people questioning me about that. And I said, well, true crime is dark. It's depressing. And my dogs are happy and fun. And so that's why you're going to see a lot of my dogs because everybody needs to find that levity and a little bit of that fun and have a little bit of that. But My professional dogs are never on my social media and I think I did a TikTok explaining that because they are working dogs and it is very difficult. Cadaver dogs are still considered a junk science to some courts. I never want
00:32:22
Speaker
to have a defense attorney go, okay, here is her dog that she's saying uncovered this body that was out here for 20 years. But this is this one little error we saw about that dog on TikTok. So I never want that. So those dogs are always kept off the social media. They do their job. They do their job well. You might see some pictures of them, but I will never show us doing their work yeah on social media. because last week, of course, you and I were, to pull the curtain back a wee bit, we were supposed to record together and you had sent me a message saying that unfortunately you couldn't make it. Now, I have to say, see in the four years that I've been podcasting, I've had different reasons for people being able to record with me such as that they weren't feeling well, that they had to do something they also had to go out. So when you sent it initially, I was like, oh, right, it's OK, you can't make it. But it was because, and do you mind to me sharing this reason? Oh, yeah, this is fine. It was covered in our local news. You're fine. Oh, OK. Just in case. Yeah, it was because you'd got called out to check and see if there was a potential body. So you had to go out with your dogs to visit the scene. And I have to say, the first time I read that, I was like, oh, That's a new one.
00:33:47
Speaker
Yeah, I have to say, I've never had that before. I think if I had had it before, then I probably would have been a bit more worried, but yeah. but yeah I thought, wow, interesting. But the other thing about that is, again, when you just said there that you don't have those dogs on social media, I'm not going to lie, I'm kind of relieved at that because when I was looking, of course, through your TikToks and things, those dogs that are on your TikToks are super adorable. And I was like, that's what you're taking to crime scene?
00:34:22
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I guess this wee tiny cute fluffy ball when you're like, okay, go sniff. I was like, oh, wow. Oh, I've never laughed so hard. I will tell you, Paddington, thanks, because we evaluate what's called olfactory receptor cells, ORCs. Yeah. And him, I have this little, if you go on my social media, I have this little tiny brown Pomeranian who has so many genetic problems. So he's had four knee surgeries. So he's the most fragile little cutest thing. I call him the Matthew McConaughey of dogs because he's so mellow. He just, I don't know if he smokes too much weed. I don't know. I don't know. But this dog is so mellow. But his olfactory receptor cells are off the chart. We've actually thought about creating a saddle and putting him on one of the larger dogs and sending because he really wants to be a cadaver dog. He wants to be out there with the big dogs so bad. But I do have little videos of him with the bigger dogs because he really wants to be a cadaver dog. To the point, my neighbor, this is what it's like to live next to someone like me.
00:35:31
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He had gone over to my neighbor's garden and was sniffing around. And so I had to text my neighbor and I said, hey, I think you have something dead in your garden because my dogs are alerting on your garden. And yeah, it turned out that the cats must have killed something and put it in their garden. So yeah, my neighbors are always like, hey, we wonder if something's dead. Can you bring your dogs over? Can you come check this out?
00:35:54
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So having me as a neighbor is very weird. But yeah, I do have a Corgi who is what we call, she is my cardiac dog. She has been trained specifically because I do have a terminal heart condition. And so she goes everywhere with me and she's specifically trained before I have a condition where my heart decides to just stop, which is why I had to take an early retirement. And so she knows before my heart is going to do that. And so she comes up and she'll put her paws up on me and tell me to sit down because my heart's going to stop and the machine will have to kick in and restart it. So she'll tell me that. So I know to sit down before it does that. That's for our job. You know, we take dogs for granted where with yeah you know they're just small when they're cuddly fluff balls, which they are. That is a profession. ah But beyond that, that they can sense so many things and they can just they're absolutely incredible. I can't understand how anybody can hurt them. yeah I mean, they will love you unconditionally. You can do anything to them and they will love you yeah unconditionally. How can anyone hurt something like that? I just don't get it. That is beyond me. The thing that really got me was, I kind of remember if it was a scientific article or a news article, but there was something that it was talking about dogs and how, you know, they pull the puppy dog eyes because they can just do it. Yes. They said something like it wasn't a natural instinct for them. It was a learned trait. So they know that if they pull the puppy dog eyes, then they can get something, which I have to say,
00:37:35
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does work because my dog just absolutely she decides oh I want out so I'm going to pull the puppy dog out and she is honestly so clever because usually if I'm working for home or if I'm upstairs I'll hear a banging downstairs and I think what the heck is that?" And then I come down and, of course, it's my dog hitting this particular thing because she knows that if she keeps doing this, I'll eventually come to see what the issue is because we used to have a, before we took it away, we used to have a ukulele that was planted beside the TV. And I remember you would be in the other room and the only you tear was this like plucking of the instrument.
00:38:16
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I thought, what the heck is that? And then you go through, and then she's just hitting it with her paw, but she's catching it with her nails, so it's like she's strumming. As soon as she realises, all right, if I do this, then Satsu's going to come and let me out or take me for a walk and things. She is both simultaneously the most daft yet intelligent dog I think I've ever And the fact that all the dogs have different personalities, because my friend's dog as well, she is a bit bigger, but she is just absolutely lovable and very jealous. So if you're patting my dog, then she'll come over and then push her out the way because she's bigger and be like, no, no, no, it's my turn for a pan. As you said, they all just have just such different personalities. You can't go wrong with a dog. You honestly can't go wrong. No. Oh, and she is so beautiful. Oh, thank you. But at least when there's a home, I take it you've opened that picture that I've seen. Yes, I've just been just looking at her and oh, she looks like she's smiling. Every time she's on the bed, she just likes to smile. And that's the thing as well, to again, pull the curtain back. But whenever I go to bed after recording these sessions, I always go to bed. And unfortunately, my space on the bed has been taken by her. Oh, yeah. Usually, I have to move her, and you should hear the noises that she makes. It's the kind of grouchy, oh, why are you moving me, father? Why have you committed this injustice? Listen, this is my
00:39:50
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its oh yeah You sleep here because I'm letting you tonight, but honestly, see if she could sleep on the pillow and everything, she would 100%. She would just plop on the pillow. There used to be a while though when she was a puppy that she would get quite territorial and quite, you know, she would growl a lot because you were going near the pillow because she's like, I'm comfy here, this is my space. So I obviously had to teach that out of her right away because I thought there is no way in heck that you are biting me over this pillow because you will not win. Two things that she can't win with, the food and you had the bed. Both all of them, no. but but oh yeah You know that way, she just kind of sighs as if. Oh God, yes. The weight of the world is on their shoulders. That big sigh. Oh my gosh. This poor, unemployed dog, you know, sighing every time I'm working or I'm editing something and she looks up at me as if, oh I want to go for a walk, I want to play and everything and you're like okay five minutes and she actually throws a temper tantrum. I'm not even joking. I never thought they could throw temper tantrums but you would not believe it until you saw it. She stomps her paws, she barks, she wags her tail as if, come on let school let's go, let's go and you're like, oh great.
00:41:08
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Oh yeah. It is honestly like having a child, I have to say. It's a great trial run to be fair. It's a great trial run to be like, okay, if I could deal with a dog, I could probably deal with a child. But oh, yeah, they are just absolutely lovable. But speaking of that, because honestly, we could talk about dogs for about three more hours, I'd say.
00:41:28
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hu Maybe more. Speaking of that, you know, the world outside your podcast and things, because there's one particular thing I want to hold in on here. How do you distance yourself from the podcast and kind of de-stress from
Baking as a Creative Outlet
00:41:42
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these topics? Because I know obviously you have your dogs and everything, but you also bake, am I correct in saying, Yeah, I start every podcast with Dog Mom Baker, true crime podcast maker. And I don't think people really get that when I say Baker because I actually have a bakery. well It is called cocktail cupcakes with a K. And I make cupcakes, but they're boozy cupcakes. They are made with booze. They have liquor in them. They actually come with a shot that is in the top of them that people take out and then you squeeze into your mouth of liquor that is paired with it. It's actually quite popular here. My cupcakes are a very popular thing. We do kind of like Sundance Film Festival. We have what's called Tallgrass Film Festival, and I've been sponsoring that for years. And every year we have that, and I sponsor that, and my bakery, we do these huge cupcakes. and I've started creating these displays that go with it and we have these different themes that go with it as well. and I've started building like bigger and bigger, more insane displays and it gives me a chance to like dress up.
00:43:01
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And so I dress up really outlandish because that's a chance to be able to do that because I also love movies and that type of thing. So the cupcake part of it is a chance for me to go to events and get goofy and get weird and practice new recipes and that type of thing. When I was listening to your earlier episodes and apologies, I broke the podcast and taboo of listening to your first couple of episodes. oh yeah Is it right in saying that your podcast was initially called Crime Scene and Cupcakes? Yeah, yeah I had initially went with that because being I used to work at crime scenes and also having the bakery as cupcakes, I wanted something that was both of me and went that way. and Then I got a couple of people saying that the logo wasn't very respectful. But what was really funny is the families I worked with, they didn't want me to change the name or the logo. oh i went ahead and did it. But yeah, a lot of the families wanted me to keep it as crime scenes and cupcakes. it's something i usually ask people when they come on to say why did you choose the name for your podcast or for your channel what what no and i was like wonder why maybe i this cold ah trying see the cupcakes and then i think it was recently i saw a pictureer of your cupcake stand and everything and you're of course fantastic matt hatter cost blake and i just say i did spot that because
00:44:33
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ah For listeners out there, you'll probably remember that the very first episode of this season did in fact revolve around Alice in Wonderland. And I was wondering, I was genuinely wondering, I was like, why are so many people talking about Mad Hatter and things like that? I thought, well, the episode can't be that popular. Yeah, it's just now. Of course, I saw your cosplay and then I saw the other costumes and things. I was like, all right, OK, it's a national day. Truly, I was the Mad Hatter that day trying to figure it out.
00:45:03
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I had like the red string and everything. I was like, why could this be? But no, that was absolutely fantastic. And yeah, you definitely look as if you have a lot of fun with it. And the dis displays are amazing as well. I have done that. And well, and I'm a big cosplay person. I go to definitely a lot of different cosplays and that type of thing as well.
00:45:26
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So, I do a lot of things that are very far from the true crime world, so I'm able to find a way to distance myself from the crime world, and baking definitely helps as well. Out of curiosity, you said you cosplayed there. Who's your favourite character to cosplay? Oh my gosh, I've done some. My favourite! Sorry to put you on the spot there. yeah ah Oh, my gosh. You know, of course you have, you know, more of the generic ones because I'm a big supernatural fan as well. um The supernatural series. So I've done a lot of those in my cosplay and then, you know, Black Widow from The Avengers. I've done that. I haven't done. I'm not really on the anime. certain My son's really big into that. I'm not that. I'm i'm a big D and&D person. So I do The Rogue a lot. So I've done that. The Boys is now like one of my really big things. So yeah, unfortunately, I'm really, really deep in boys. Dirk's gently holistic detective agency. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. And Doctor Who. I'm definitely a Whovian. I am just so surprised that Doctor Who has taken off so much in America. Yeah. From living my life in the US and then spending so much time because I still spend half my time in Ireland, I actually prefer to watch a lot of BBC and more of the shows. I don't like American shows much. Even Ghosts, when they went and took it and did an American version, I refuse to watch that. It's wrong and just don't do that. Why? Why ruin a good thing? I just don't get it." Yeah, it's just because and obviously recently they had the whole Disney collaboration, or maybe Disney Plus is the correct terminology there. But yeah, they had the whole Disney Plus collaboration with the BBC and I could understand the air that, oh, it's getting popular in America, but the amount of Whovians that I was seeing pop up online and it was like, oh, this doctor's my favourite, that doctor's my favourite, and I'm like, alright, where are they from? England? No. Wales? No. Northern Ireland?
00:47:42
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Now, Scotland? Nope, dry again. and you know All of these fans have accumulated internationally, and especially America, because I feel as if if something nerdy – and this is a safe space for all nerds here – if something nerdy catches America, I do genuinely feel as if it just spreads like wildfire across the world.
00:48:01
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Oh, yeah, I definitely agree. And yeah, I remember, I mean, because I'm much older than the rest of you people. but But yeah, I'm seeing things that I had to be more of a closet fan of things for a long time. And now I'm watching this stuff just become so popular and spreading everywhere. And it's like, oh my gosh, this is so cool. I can like drag all of my stuff out.
00:48:27
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I can enjoy it in front of people and go to all of these different cons and it's just so cool to be able to do that. That's the absolutely crazy thing because I'm very much, and I don't want to make you feel old to your apologies, but I was born at the beginning of the 90s and I grew up in the 90s, early 2000s and everything. And I still remember at that period of time that if you were into anything geeky, you had to be so, so careful about exposing that to other people, lest you be ridiculed by other people in the class. You couldn't like Star Trek openly without the right people, you couldn't like yeah I mean Star Wars was the cool one because it had the laser swords and the action, so you know, technically you got a pass for that. I mean things like Pokemon and Digimon I suppose as well. well Those kinds of things in gaming especially was picking up steam, but look at things like Dungeons and Dragons. That was ridiculed to take him back. It was just absolutely a death sentence that if you liked Dungeons and Dragons you were classed as this undesirable nerd that lived in a basement and didn't come out for sunlight, that kind of thing. and You know, nowadays it's so popular that everybody's getting into it and I think that is absolutely fantastic that it has become somewhat normalised. Although granted on the flip side, you do get a lot of people who probably hate it too much
00:49:55
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if that makes sense. You know, the kind of grifter channels that are coming out being like, oh, I don't like it because of X-rays and Y-rays, and then you're like, just enjoy the show or turn it off. Yeah, that's one thing that bothers me are the people who have to, I don't know, they can't just enjoy something or not enjoy something. They have to tear it apart. They have to overanalyze it. Just enjoy the damn thing. How fun. I was born in the 70s and so yeah I remember as a kid I mean and definitely being a girl who loved comic books having to hide in my closet or hide in the library with all of these different comic books and horror movies definitely as a girl. Girls didn't enjoy horror movies that way and yeah I was just always into it and so now to be able to just enjoy it and
00:50:47
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have all of this stuff. It's just so cool to watch, you know, the generations now and see people be okay to enjoy it and enjoy it and be proud of being enjoyed. Because yeah, I mean, I've been into Dungeons and Dragons as a kid. And now I'm watching my son and he's getting, oh, I'm going to be a dungeon master. I'm going to get to do this and creating these amazing worlds. And it's just so cool to be a part of that. That is absolutely incredible. I had my own reservations about getting into it because it was one of my friends and very good friends and co-host of the podcast Martin McAllister. He turned around to me one day and I remember this very vividly because I used to live away from home when I was at university and every couple of weekends I would come home and I would meet up with them and I always remember one day he turned around and said oh we're getting that Dungeons and Dragons game going and I kind of laughed and I went said, oh, good one, yeah. And then they looked at me dead serious and I was like, are you serious? Dungeons and Dragons? Is that not like a niche thing? And he was like, no, no, seriously, come try it, because I think he had a similar experience with someone else who introduced it to him and he played it, he absolutely loved it. And yeah, I'll tell you how influential it is in his life. And I don't think you'll probably mind me telling this story, but a couple of months ago, I was at Acme Comic Con and Glasgow. Really good convention but he was wrestling at it with the Iron Girders gym who are a Scottish wrestling company also based in Glasgow and his whole theme for his match because all of the boulders gate are not all of them but
00:52:27
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a few of the Baldur's Gate voice actors were there. So he decided he was going to theme his match around Dungeons and Dragons. So initially I was watching this and you know he's excellent at what he does in the ring, but the opponent was looking under the ring and he was pulling out. Usually you'd expect the steel chair or a table or something to be pulled out. He was throwing D and&D manuals onto the ring.
00:52:54
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he was throwing character sheets, things like that. So they were getting just warped. They were walloping each other with these heavy books and things. It was incredible. But the thing that made me recoil and horror was he had a big dice. This was his big gimmick. He had a huge dice in his hand and he would roll it. And depending on what he rolled, he had a guy on the side of the ring that had a list of different wrestling moves. So it was like, oh, number five, suplex and number 10, et cetera, et cetera. It was so cool. Oh, but it gets worse because then he brings out another bag and I'm like, all right, okay, this will be a bigger dice or something, or it'll be some funny. No, it was a bag with a little dice on it and he decided to pour it all over the ring. He had a lot of different shaped dice, including D4s, which are the pyramid ones. So yeah, they were wrestling essentially on top of a bed of dice and I'm not gonna lie, I know they do train to do these kind of things, but my god, yeah. As soon as he did that I was like, I don't know if you've seen Rocky, but you know Rocky IV when they're yelling, throw in the towel! That was me, I was like, throw in the towel! Oh my god! I mean he won, fortunately he won, but getting
00:54:17
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eating, throwing around in a bed of dice. Granted that a lot of them fell off the ring, which I thought, thank God, but the rest of them that were on, I was like, oh my God. It was incredible, but it was just, oh yeah. ah I know how bad it is if you just step on one of those. Exactly. Oh my God. You might as well was just poured Lego all over the place. I was like, oh my God. I mean by the end of it of course they were sweeping it away and everything but I was like oh my god it was crazy but it was absolutely brilliant. That sounds incredible. Oh yeah it is, it's absolutely fantastic. If you're ever in Glasgow for that Micon Micon, usually he's wrestling at them so yeah.
00:54:57
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definitely Jacob. Oh yeah, um that sounds incredible. But speaking of geeky things, because when I was talking to you and arranging this particular episode, I was asking you if there was anything in particular you wanted me to bring up, and of course you were talking about, obviously other than your podcast, about as you said Comic-Con, about Dark Gently, Star
Excitement for Sonic Film and VR Gaming
00:55:20
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Wars, things like that. But there was one name that actually stood out of the gaming variety, so I just kind of went
00:55:29
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Well, I don't remember. What was that? Sonic. Oh, yes. Oh, my God. I mean, as a Sonic fan, I have to ask. Yes. And Keanu is going to. I am so hyped. Are you going to see the film? Oh, yeah. my gosh. Oh, my gosh. I am so stoked. I am. Oh, my God. I am so excited.
00:55:54
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same here because I have to say I never saw the first film when it came out in the cinema and I think that was purely because of the backlash that it was getting. They had the ugly model at the time and I was like oh I don't know about that and then of course they had to change it to the more cutesy model which I thought okay that's better and I didn't watch it till it came out on think Netflix. And I was like, okay, that was pretty decent. That wasn't too bad. And then I took my girlfriend, I don't want to say dragged, but I took my girlfriend and you see the second one. And I tell you one thing, see avoiding the spoilers. It was like something at The Matrix trying to avoid them online. because I was going to see it in the opening week. Unfortunately, that week I got struck by a horrible stomach virus, so I couldn't go. I had to wait I think a month or two until I could see it. Honestly, it was just absolutely fantastic. It's funny because it was my son actually who was the one that drug me to see them and everything with him. I caught myself just really enjoying it.
00:57:02
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And then, yeah, when I heard it was coming back and then, of course, I am just I love Keanu Reeves. yeah So the minute I heard that, I was like, oh, my gosh, yes, yes. I'm primed. I'm set. It cannot come any sooner. Oh, absolutely. I mean, the amount of time that people had to wait for the trailer just for them to officially confirm it, because I know people were saying, oh, it's going to be Keanu, it's going to be Keanu, and you're like, oh, yeah, OK, OK, sure. yeah And then when the trailer came out, because I was one of those people that was a bit disillusioned. I was like, oh, God, this trailer's never going to come out. It's going to be rubbish. And I'm one of those fans that I did watch the Knuckle series and I was like, was that big fan of that. So I'm like, oh, I've got no hope for this. But then as soon as the trailer came out, I'm like, you know what, Sega? You brought me back in. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And I gotta tell you, I was a little concerned with Jim Carrey too. Yeah. I was a little worried about that. Then it was like, oh my gosh. Okay, good. It's all complete. We're okay here. I was very happy.
00:58:08
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because the funny thing about that is, and I always laugh about it, that he said he was going to quit acting, or rather he was going to retire from acting, that there had to be a special script that was going to pull him back in. So I remember when my good friend Adam and I, we did a whole month of Sonic content and I'm going to point this out for the Red Panda lawyer in the room here that it was his idea. It was early into season 2 that we started doing themed months. So our first one was Halo. We did a whole month of Halo content and then a couple of months later I was talking to him and he said do you want to do a whole month of Sonic content and I was like well yeah that'd be great but you haven't really played the games." And he's like, oh, don't worry about it. So he actually went out and bought the games that he could to actually play them for the month. I've never been prouder of them, but it was such a fun month going through not only the games, of course, but we also discussed both the films because they were relatively fresh at the time. And that is something that we talked about at the time Jim Carrey had said, oh, I'm not going to return for Robotnik and everything. And we're like, oh, well, maybe they're going to do this, maybe they're going to do that, but as the spoilers for the trailer, but as the trailer's showing, now he's back. I think they must have so much fun doing these films. Oh yeah, it has to be worth it for him to want to come back. I know that they were in talks, they had talked about possibly recasting, and then for him to want to come back with all the talks he had of retiring, it has to be a blast to be able to do that for him to want to come back for. it out of curiosity, did you play the games as well? or No, that's one thing my son gives me a hard time about. You can tell he's kind of a mama's boy. He's actually a sports broadcaster. He's a huge gamer, and he's tried to get me into gaming. But as I said, I am not good at technology. And so I could never figure out the buttons on the remote control. But I sit and I watch him
01:00:12
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as he does it. So he usually talks me through what he's doing and everything. And yeah, I live vicariously with the movies and stuff and then watch him as he plays. Yeah. Because yeah, I cannot figure out those stupid buttons on the game systems. It's too difficult for me. and I mean, the thing is, as well, depending on what system you're playing, it just completely flips. That is something that I have to say I have started to feel old at when you're playing a game and you don't respond the way you used to. So yeah, I end up getting absolutely wrecked for those games. Although I say that, but I did purchase recently the latest Sonic game, which at the time of recording this I haven't played, but at the time this episode comes out, I've probably played it. I probably did. fifty episodes on it, and how amazing that is. No, it is a great series and I'm completely with you there. The films are just such a breath of fresh air. I cannot wait for my girlfriend's face when I say for Christmas, I have got you a ticket. I'm only joking. I mean, we will go, but for legal reasons, I'm not getting a ticket to that for our Christmas present. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the red panel here in the corner is waving me down here. I'm like, yeah, Yeah, it's like, no, no, no, no, don't do that. For legal reasons, that is a detailed joke. Yeah. Well, and I like to give my son a hard time a lot of times with the video games. I mean, for years, he's always given me a hard time about how I can't play this or I can't do that and I can't figure out this. And I'm like, okay, look at all these Call of Duty and all of this stuff you're doing. And I'm like, now let's go out to the range and let's show what mama can do and what you do on the television. Yeah.
01:01:58
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but I can out drive you. I can out shoot you. I can out do this. I can out do that. So be nice to mom. Don't do that. I mean, that is true, because it is. You do things in games and you're like, oh, wow, I'm really good at this. And it's like, oh, do you want to do that in your life? No, I don't think I can do that.
01:02:19
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That's the thing though, when you play these games, especially with Call of Duty's and such, I remember oh vividly going paintballing one time and thinking, oh oh I mean it was so much fun, but there's a reason why I've only been once.
01:02:33
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is the amount of times I'm like, OK, I've got them in my sights and everything. Well, not sights, but you know what I mean. yeah Metaphorical sights, as it were. And then I shoot and I realise that the paintball has arcs, I don't know, hundreds of metres above their heads and I'm like, oh no, I've just given away my positions. Yeah, I've got all these people chasing me and shooting me. Oh no!
01:02:57
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You know, because that's the thing though, when you play a game, you're obviously put into the role of Captain Badass McCool Guy or McCool Woman, you know? And you think, alright, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that. And then when you do it in real life, you're like, yeah, this isn't as cool as I thought.
01:03:14
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ah You're getting bogged down and everything. If you try to slide across, you get shot. I actually remember, a no joke, the first and pro again, in the last time, because I haven't been since, but the first time I went laser questing, you know, the laser shooting, there was a group of us and they lumped us in with, it was like a guy with these two kids.
01:03:36
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I remember they were running around you know shooting at one another and shooting at us. We were shooting at them. It was annoying because they were tiny so I kept missing them but that's a whole other rant. But ah then I remember the dad, I kid you not, this guy was like American Sniper. He took position on top of this hill and none of us could get to him. We tried the old, oh charge him. Up he got us. We were down below he got us.
01:04:01
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but This guy was... I don't even know what was going on. I think oh he was a pro at it. He was an absolute pro. But I kind of cringe as well because I've also done the you know the VR shooting where you put on the headset and you run around in a particular space to shoot at one another. I have to say, in the game you feel really cool and it feels really cool running around. God forbid what people must have saw.
01:04:27
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ah My impression of John Wick, no doubt. It would have been in one of those YouTube fail compilations. I'm not going to lie, because I do have you know the Oculus sets, the VR headsets, and again, you go and you feel really cool and everything. Oh look, I'm swinging a lightsaber or oh I'm swinging a sword or shooting a gun. But see, outside of that, you just look like a nerd. There's no two ways up about it. I'm not going to sit here and pretend, oh yeah, I'm a Jim Crow that looks so cool doing everything.
01:04:57
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Oh my gosh, that's awesome. I mean i love it. I mean, all I'll say is there's a reason why I closed the curtains before I use like VR and things. So flailing around, whether it's beat saber, or I'm trying to remember the other ones, but you know, whether it's that or any other ones, I am absolutely terrible. I've actually, and the light was fine, but I've accidentally got so immersed that I punched a light by accident. That was fun. You just get so immersed in it.
01:05:26
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I love it. As you said, if you're not good at the games, then at least you're of course good at the stuff in real life, which is really is the thing that matters at the end of the day. Oh yeah. Oh, absolutely. I mean, no one tends to insult all the gamers out there, but come on.
01:05:42
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it's like all the college university players coming out that would work being like, actually, I've served two tours. yeah What, of official combat? Were you in the Middle East or something? No, no, no, no. Just my bedroom. No, I played Modern Warfare. I played Black Ops. and Yeah, I played Ghost. See genuinely, if that was a thing, I would probably be a five-star general by now. There you go. For the amount of college university games I've played. But I don't consider that because, as you might expect, that is very silly.
01:06:14
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Oh my gosh, that's great. I love it. That is awesome. But I think that's a perfect place to leave it all. There you go. Marianne, thank you so, so much for coming on to Chatsunami and yeah talking about your podcast, talking about your interests and yeah act just talking about everything. So oh thank you so much. Thank you. I don't think my face has ever hurt so much from laughing. Thank you. That is more of a compliment than you know.
01:06:42
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Well, thank you again, and I look forward to listening to more episodes. oh thank you And of course, before we wrap up, where can these lovely listeners at home find your content? Oh, you can stream our podcasts anywhere you stream on Apple, Google Podcasts, Spotify, most other places that you can stream. And you You can find us on TikTok, Instagram, threads, Twitter, or X now, and Facebook under the Social Detective podcast. And if you love to see dogs, you will see lots of them there. Yeah, I can confirm and collaborate your honor that you can indeed see dogs. And they are the cutest things ever. So even if you're not into true crime, please go. Go see the dogs.
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ah But no, all joking aside, you have an absolutely incredible podcast for, again, an amazing cause. And honestly, I think you do some amazing work. So not only thank you, of course, once again for coming on, but thank you so much for all the work you do and all the respect that you give people while doing it. Thank you and I always enjoy listening to your podcast and watching your social media. You do some great stuff. so Thank you for that. thank you and If you want to listen to more content from ourselves as well as other interviews with amazing podcasters such as of course Mary Ann and everybody else, then you can indeed check us out on our website, Chatsunami.com, as well as all good podcast apps. I also want to thank our amazing Pandalorian patrons, Robotic BattleToasted and Sonya. Thank you so much as always for supporting the show, and if you would like amazing exclusive content such as behind the scenes, exclusive episodes, early access, sadly no true crime yet, but you don't worry, we'll talk after this, we'll see.
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Again, for legal reasons, that's a joke. Yeah, you can check that out our Patreon page at patreon dot.com forward slash Chat Tsunami. But as always, thank you all so much for listening to this episode. Stay safe, stay awesome and most importantly, stay hydrated. Welcome to Chat Tsunami, a variety podcast that discusses topics from gaming and films to anime and journal interests. Previously on Chatsunami, we've analysed what makes a good horror game, conducted a retrospective on Pierce Brosnan's runs James Bond, and listened to us take deep dives into both the Sonic and Halo franchises. Also, if you're an anime fan, then don't forget to check us out on our sub-series, Chatsunani, where we dive into the world of anime. So far, we've reviewed things like Death Note, Princess Mononoke, and the hit Beyblade series. If that sounds like your cup of tea, then you can check us out on Spotify, iTunes, and all the podcast apps. As always, stay safe, Stay awesome and most importantly, stay hydrated.
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The Social Detective is an investigative podcast that assists in the solving of cases in Kansas and the surrounding states. We utilize our relationships with law enforcement agencies, media outlets, family members, and loved ones of the victims by creating social media platforms for the murdered and the missing.
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Instead of doom scrolling on social media, use it as a tool, a resource to generate information for the more than 600,000 people does that go missing in the United States every year. You can find the social detective on TikTok, Instagram, threads, Facebook,
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and wherever you stream your podcasts, find out how you can become a social detective. On our podcast, we refuse to sensationalize cases to gain listeners. This podcast will always be a safe space for the families of the victims. So come join us at The Social Detective.