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Episode 50: Shirley Wolf & Cindy Collier Part 1
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In part 1 we discuss what Shirley and Cindy each went through in their childhood that ultimately brings them together.
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Personal Reflections and Weekend Recap
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Eden & Briana
All right.
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Eden & Briana
So I think my mood today is so weird because last week I was, you know, not my complete self. So I'm like making up for it.
00:00:58
Eden & Briana
No. ah again no No, no goli gonna not at all because you're to have to make up for me because I'm like you last week. Oh shit. Not on purpose. We had a wonderful weekend. We had company all weekend and it was amazing.
00:01:13
Eden & Briana
But my internal clock, I'm up at five o'clock. It doesn't matter. We didn't go to bed until three o'clock. Oh, guess who was up at five o'clock? Oh yeah. And then we took all them chitlins to Minot and went shopping at the mall.
00:01:30
Eden & Briana
Oh. Yeah. I'm exhausted. I'm exhausted. But it's a good exhausted. It's not a bad exhausted.
March Awareness Causes
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Eden & Briana
Just saying. It's good. Yeah.
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Eden & Briana
So is, is it the first? No, it's the second. o You know what that means. Yep. That means March awareness is So, welcome back guys.
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Eden & Briana
March awareness is this, some of the few, there's a lot more, but we have brain tumor awareness, brain injury awareness, deep vein thrombosis awareness.
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Eden & Briana
What is that? A DBT? Deep vein thrombosis, don't know, look it up.
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Eden & Briana
Developmental disabilities awareness. awareness I don't know that. but Words are hard today. That hits home for me. Yep. Endometriosis awareness and ovarian cancer awareness.
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Eden & Briana
And like I said, that's just a few of them. There's a lot more. Nice. Nice. Yeah.
00:02:43
Eden & Briana
So what do you got for true crawlers in it? Something very disturbing.
Bizarre True Crime: Indiana Woman's Marriage
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Eden & Briana
Oh, fuck. Fudge cracker.
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Eden & Briana
Sorry, Brad. Sorry, Brad. Love you. In true crime news, an Indiana woman is accused of marrying her biological father.
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Eden & Briana
A 44-year-old woman was arrested for reportedly marrying her father while she was still married to another person in order to receive his veteran's benefit.
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Eden & Briana
For more information on that story, You can go to truecrimenews.com.
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Eden & Briana
yeah
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Eden & Briana
I hope it was just like a paper thing and not more than that. I don't know. I didn't ask anybody to clarify that. I didn't want to know and I don't want to know. It's harder than... No, it's not. It feels amazing in here.
00:03:44
Eden & Briana
he Nope. It's perfect. Anywho... um That's disturbing. It's very disturbing.
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Eden & Briana
So what are we doing today? I'm not there yet. I have something for you.
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Eden & Briana
Ooh, an
Timothy Hochschild Trial Update
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Eden & Briana
update, I bet. have an update on Timothy Hochschild. Yes. The trial once again has been delayed. For what? This time his lawyers are appealing the judge's decision to reject...
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Eden & Briana
Okay, I'm struggling. thing We driving that struggle today. The lawyers are appealing the judge's decision to reject a plea deal and not recuse herself from the case.
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Eden & Briana
They want her stepped down. He was claiming she was biased and already judged him. and
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Eden & Briana
Timothy faces eight counts, including felony murder, in the death of his seven-year-old great-nephew, Ethan Hochschilds. Timothy's son, Damien, was convicted of causing Ethan's death.
00:04:52
Eden & Briana
I will keep following this case as it unfolds and give updates when new information comes forth. And just to recap, that's the boy that was making him carry a log around...
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Eden & Briana
after a big storm and snow, the judge actually said, now this is off the top of my head, so I'm not gonna quote it. I'm gonna say it as close as I can.
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Eden & Briana
She actually said that it was not in the public's best interest to do a plea deal. Like he needed to go to trial.
00:05:31
Eden & Briana
needs to be tried. that's why she That's part of the reason why she rejected the plea. And there was another reason she rejected the plea Remind me how old this kid was? yeah Seven. Seven? Yeah. No, the... Hosheltz? Yeah. our 16?
00:05:48
Eden & Briana
17? No, no, no. Timothy Hosheltz was a father. Right. But he he
Cindy Collier's Troubled Beginnings
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Eden & Briana
ordered his son. Oh, Damien. Yeah, Damien was only like... He was supervising yeah the punishment. He was only like 15 or 16, something like that.
00:06:04
Eden & Briana
So yeah that's where we're at with that. i will Like I said, I was watching it on the TV and reading the lines going across, and I also had live feed going on my crunch.
00:06:17
Eden & Briana
What are you doing? I'm trying to take off my sweater and my ring scratch me. This is funny. Oh, God. I'm stuck.
00:06:28
Eden & Briana
Do you need help? Yeah. Yeah.
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Eden & Briana
and And I'm still over here sitting with a blanket and everything else and she's dying. I'm dying. I'm hot.
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Eden & Briana
I don't know why. I have been. Oh, jeez. Louise, girl. Sorry. Now you can ask me the question.
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Eden & Briana
What are we doing today? you know
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Eden & Briana
Well, I screwed this up.
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Eden & Briana
We're covering... Why does my nose start running the minute we're on air? Why? Probably because there's a lot of dust in here.
1983 Cultural Highlights
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Eden & Briana
Okay, so we're going to cover Cindy Collier and Shirley Wolfe.
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Eden & Briana
It's a case from 1983. So we're dialing her back. so we're dial on her back Shirley sounds familiar, that could just be because my grandma's name was Shirley.
00:07:44
Eden & Briana
That's it. Excuse me. I raised her better than that. I swear I did. Yeah, but then along came my dad, who buffed me up a little bit. Yeah, I guess.
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Eden & Briana
Hi, Dad. I love you. So we're going to... I am my father's daughter. You are your father's daughter, but you look like your mother.
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Eden & Briana
So happenings in 1983 included... you yet? Yes. Do you need help?
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Eden & Briana
Okay. Happenings in 1983 included Sally Ride becoming the first U.S. woman in space as a crew member. Microsoft Word was released.
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Eden & Briana
The internet was officially born. The first mobile cellular telephone call was made. Michael Jackson's song Thriller went to number one in the Billboard chart.
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Eden & Briana
And Sony and Philips released their CD players in America. but Isn't that interesting? That's crazy. Fashion trends in 83 included tailored suits with big ass shoulder pads.
00:09:05
Eden & Briana
Oh yeah. Oh yeah. ah Oversized blazers, bold colors, track suits, leg warmers, chunky jewelry, scrunchies, fingerless gloves. And I'm sure that has something to do with Michael Jackson just wearing the one glove.
00:09:21
Eden & Briana
I don't think they were fingerless, but he always wore a glove. Bucket hats, high waisted jeans, crop tops, And mini skirts. Pretty much everything that's in trending now.
00:09:35
Eden & Briana
Yeah. How right you are. Eye waisted, crop tops, scrunchies.
00:09:43
Eden & Briana
All of the a above. I put my hair in a silk scrunchie every night. We do. Does it help? I don't know. Do I do it anyway? yup Yep. Yep. Do you put a sleepy cap on too?
00:09:54
Eden & Briana
Nope. Because it interferes with my sleep eye mask. Oh, have you seen those eye masks that actually have Bluetooth speakers in them? No.
00:10:05
Eden & Briana
I'm getting one. That is a must have. Because you know how I can't go to sleep when it's quiet. Yeah. I have to listen to an audio book as I go to bed or the TV has to be on one of the two.
00:10:20
Eden & Briana
I think that's just. Yeah. So then when I go camping and I take my naps. Everybody can keep partying outside the camper and I won't hear their shit.
00:10:31
Eden & Briana
True. Because I'll have my eye mask on so it'll be dark and my speakers will be in there and I can listen to my audio book in peace and take nap. There you go. You know what I mean?
00:10:42
Eden & Briana
Oh, it sucks to get old. Okay, so... I'm sweating on my chest. Sorry. yeah So I'm calling these two teens the deadly duo.
Cindy Collier's Childhood Challenges
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Eden & Briana
We are diving into the lives of Cindy Collier and Shirley Wolfe. This case made me feel all of the feels. Oh, shit. This one is an emotional roller coaster. In the beginning, I wanted to travel back in time and scoop these girls out of their nightmare.
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Eden & Briana
But let's just get into it, and you will see what I mean. So we're gonna kick off things with some background starting with Linda Peabody. Linda was born in 1948 in Michigan.
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Eden & Briana
Her father was a truck driver barely making enough income to take care of his family. Linda had a rough start. Not only was her family poor, Linda suffered from a learning disability.
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Eden & Briana
And as we all know, kids can be so very cruel. So she was teased and called names. At the tender age of 16, Linda met and married a man named Jim Baumgartner.
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Eden & Briana
And within two years, they had two sons, Keith and Jeff. Jim Baumgartner was not who he claimed to be. His real name was Jim Reuter, and because of this, their marriage wasn't legal and they parted ways.
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Eden & Briana
In 1967, Linda moved in with David Collier, a high school dropout who entered the military and was thrown out under other than honorable conditions.
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Eden & Briana
I thought you had to have high school education to get in. It doesn't say if he had a GED or not. So I'm not saying that he, he was a high school dropout. I'm not saying he didn't go on to get a GED or anything like that.
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Eden & Briana
And this was back in, so this would be probably not so much because if you think about it, this is back in the, this would have been back in the fifties, late fifties, sixties. So possibly. Probably not. that Cause a lot of people didn't finish school and just went off into the military.
00:13:04
Eden & Briana
Mm-hmm. Makes sense. So that that could be a possibility. Now, my resources didn't blatantly state that David was abusing Linda, but that's the impression that I got, and it actually really seems to fit the narrative.
00:13:21
Eden & Briana
Okay. So Cindy was born to David and Linda on April 18, 1968. nineteen sixty eight So she's just a couple years older than me.
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Eden & Briana
She was born with misaligned hip sockets and had to wear a metal brace until the age of two. She was also plagued with upper respiratory issues. And even though their home life was toxic and dysfunctional, in May of 1971, David and Linda would have another son.
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Eden & Briana
Almost two years later, David would walk out leaving Linda with an eight, seven and five year old
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Eden & Briana
Yep. Any questions so far? I don't think so.
00:14:13
Eden & Briana
Drugs, alcohol, and violence were all a part of norm for this family. I don't need my pen on. I just need it as a guide. Why won't it shut off?
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Eden & Briana
Finally, it shut off.
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Eden & Briana
Linda was not able to meet her kids' physical or emotional needs, and she failed miserably at being a parent. Various men were in and out of their home. An unstable and unsafe shitshow, one could say.
00:14:44
Eden & Briana
Well, I'm sorry. no the reason you're struggling is because of the drugs and alcohol. Right. Maybe if you put that aside...
00:14:58
Eden & Briana
Just, I mean, maybe. i mean, just, just, just, there might be that small, slight, little chance. That things That you rid of the drugs and alcohol, you take care your kids. Things could turn around, yeah.
00:15:10
Eden & Briana
Right. What's more important here? Human beings or... Or drugs and alcohol. So she would literally go to work leaving her kids home with strange men. Ew.
00:15:23
Eden & Briana
Like I said, unsafe. Not stable. So... i would Why would she leave them? Where was she going? To work. Didn't you hear? said that. Oh, to work. Yep.
00:15:35
Eden & Briana
What was she doing? you know Nope.
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Eden & Briana
To make the situation even more worse, when Cindy was seven years old, her 10-year-old brother began molesting her. Not to mention the various boyfriends who came in and out of the house who did whatever they pleased.
00:15:56
Eden & Briana
To the seven-year-old? Yep. And the ten-year-old boy was doing that? Ten-year-old boy, and Lord only knows what the various men coming in and and out of the house were. Now, was that Cindy?
00:16:10
Eden & Briana
Yes. That was getting molested? Yes. So, by the time she was 12 years of age, Cindy was filling up with rage and hated people. I don't blame her.
00:16:22
Eden & Briana
And that would start showing in her behavior. I don't blame her. Exactly. She started fight. Don't do that to me. She started fighting in school and students actually became afraid of her.
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Eden & Briana
She had that tough girl exterior, you know, but on the inside, she's just a broken, screaming for help little girl. Yep. One of her fights was quite serious and she was charged with assault and battery.
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Eden & Briana
She was sent to juvenile detention at 12.
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Eden & Briana
wow She was sent to juvenile detention and sentenced to 16 hours of work project. I was going put in here what work project was and a kind of forgot about it. It's something, it's some kind of program that they have for.
00:17:12
Eden & Briana
Like a community service? Yeah, for juvenile offenders. Because this was her first offense, she was returned home after she completed her hours of the work project.
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Eden & Briana
In July 1981, Cindy and two of her friends decided to hit a drugstore. One posed as a lookout while the other two lifted hundreds of dollars worth of makeup and other personal care items, but they were busted when they walked out the door.
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Eden & Briana
Cindy served 10 days in juvenile detention, was ordered to serve 200 hours on work project, and pay $500 restitution. Two months later, Cindy was picked up for truancy and the very next day for lawyering.
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Eden & Briana
Both times she was released to the care of her mother with the stern recommendation to get control of her daughter.
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Eden & Briana
She can't get control of herself? What makes them think that she's going to get in control of her kid? Exactly. and Exactly. So is all this sinking in?
00:18:20
Eden & Briana
Yeah, I'm pissed. Can you kind of...
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Eden & Briana
Can you kind of see the picture? Yep, sure can.
Continued Struggles in Foster Care
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Eden & Briana
Failed parenting leads to...
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Eden & Briana
not so good things.
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Eden & Briana
A few weeks later, at her review hearing, Her probation officer stated that Cindy, quote, appeared to be maintaining in home and fairly well in school, unquote.
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Eden & Briana
This would not continue. And a month later, she dipped out on a bill at a restaurant. And four days after that, she was busted again for shoplifting. The trouble Cindy got herself into continued to escalate.
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Eden & Briana
This time the judge made the statement, quote, it is clearly evident that the minor cannot function adequately in the mother's home. The minor leaves the court with no other alternative than to place her in a suitable foster home, a recommendation the minor was aware of at her last court of appearance only two months ago, unquote.
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Eden & Briana
So on December 1982, nineteen eighty two Cindy was taken to a group foster home in the Sierra Nevada mountains.
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Eden & Briana
At first, seem things seemed to be going quite well for Cindy. She was making an effort to get along with the other girls in the home. She was attending classes and her academic scores scores were actually above average.
00:19:57
Eden & Briana
So she was doing quite well. Good. Unfortunately, you knew that was coming, By mid-February, her behavior would start to decline. Her violent temper was becoming out of control more often, and she started missing classes on a more frequent basis.
00:20:17
Eden & Briana
In March, she stole money and other items from another student and ran away. They caught up with her four days later. The court agreed that Cindy should be placed elsewhere, so she was sent to a foster home.
00:20:31
Eden & Briana
Only a day or two later, she stole the foster parent's purse and car and went on the run. She was apprehended within a matter of hours and charged.
00:20:42
Eden & Briana
This time, she was released back to her mother, ordered to undergo psychiatric treatment and attend the pro probation department's juvenile day treatment program.
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Eden & Briana
She stuck out the day treatment program for six days, but only attended classes for three of those days. The other three days, she would simply walk in one door and go out the back door.
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Eden & Briana
Now, because it wasn't a locked down facility, all the staff could do was call Linda. Cindy was charged with failure failure to comply with court orders and sentenced to 20 days in juvenile detention.
00:21:24
Eden & Briana
She once again served her time, but she skipped from the court-ordered work project.
00:21:35
Eden & Briana
So we're going to let all that sink in while I take a drink and hit off my stupid bait because, you know, at least I don't smoke cigarettes anymore. You know, let that sink. I just feel like if her mother would have straightened her shit out and would have been there,
00:21:53
Eden & Briana
for her kids, prioritized her kids, I think Cindy would have been a completely different child. i could not agree more.
00:22:06
Eden & Briana
Because she wouldn't have been molested.
00:22:11
Eden & Briana
She wouldn't see her mother choosing men and choosing drugs and choosing alcohol and over her kids. That leaves a very unwanted feeling.
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Eden & Briana
It does. Very much so. Yep. And... Your self-worth, even. Yeah.
00:22:34
Eden & Briana
Her self-worth had to be shit. Yeah. Like she was nothing. She's just... So of course she's gonna act up. and Sorry, I kicked the box crap on me see a me. But... So that tiny little girl... Well, by this time... She's a teenager, but... Just a little girl. Just screaming for... you know...
00:22:56
Eden & Briana
Bad attention, negative attention is better than no attention at all.
00:23:03
Eden & Briana
She's acting out. She's screaming. yeah She just doesn't know how to scream. yeah But she's trying to scream. Yeah. She's probably also thinking, well, nobody gives a shit about me, so I'm going to do whatever I want. I'm going to act out. I am going to steal.
00:23:22
Eden & Briana
Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. That's so sad. And so we're going to go into the second person in this tale.
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Eden & Briana
Shirley. Shirley. And you're not going to like this at all.
Shirley Wolfe's Abusive Upbringing
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Eden & Briana
Great.
00:23:42
Eden & Briana
And I. So the book that I'm reading goes into great detail. But I did not take a lot of those details because this is already a two parter.
00:23:56
Eden & Briana
So there were some things that I didn't put in and I kind of wish I would have now kind of hit on them a little more, but you will get the general idea and and it's going to make you sick to your stomach. Fudge.
00:24:15
Eden & Briana
Fudge. That's what said. I said fudge.
00:24:21
Eden & Briana
Oh God. So Shirley Wolf was wolf was born April 17th, 1969. So a year older than me. So these ladies are about, you know, close to my age right now.
00:24:34
Eden & Briana
And they're year apart. Yep. She was born to Louis Wolf and Catherine Giliano in Brooklyn, New York. Over the next four years, they would have two more children, sons named Louis Jr., nicknamed LJ, and William.
00:24:51
Eden & Briana
As a carpenter, Lewis was known to do excellent finish work, but he was not an easy man to work for. He was very demanding and expected perfection from the men he worked with.
00:25:05
Eden & Briana
He would go into rages for no apparent reasons.
00:25:10
Eden & Briana
And this was not isolated to just work. It also rolled into the home. When his family failed to meet his expectations, they would be punished.
00:25:22
Eden & Briana
Okay. Gross. He left plenty of black and blue marks on Shirley from his severe punishments. And Catherine would not stand up to Louis when he was hitting the children. She would cower elsewhere until it was over.
00:25:37
Eden & Briana
So I'm assuming that her abuse, and I'm assuming this, since she wouldn't stand up for her children, I'm assuming the abuse was pretty harsh on her also.
00:25:50
Eden & Briana
But this is just an assumption. But it fits. But it does fit the narrative. Because imagine, you know, she's obviously scared of him. That's why she's not standing up for him.
00:26:02
Eden & Briana
Or standing up for her kids. Standing up to him, I should say. I hope I can relate to that.
00:26:13
Eden & Briana
Exactly.
00:26:16
Eden & Briana
So, but damn. I'd almost...
00:26:22
Eden & Briana
would stand up to him. So I would get beat instead of the children.
00:26:30
Eden & Briana
We're a different day and age. i I'd beat a person to death before I'd let them hurt my children. That's what I mean. We come from a different generation. Different generation.
00:26:43
Eden & Briana
well not Well, yes, we do. My mom came from that generation. She didn't stand up to my dad. Mm-mm. women were to be housewives and mothers do what they're told do what they're told it's a completely different yeah different so excuse me
00:27:14
Eden & Briana
since when do cardlisses make me burp i don't know that's a cardless right oh
00:27:23
Eden & Briana
When Catherine suspected things of a more sinister nature was going on between Lewis and their young daughter, she turned a blind eye, oh feeling powerless to do anything about her suspicions. In 1974, at the age of five, Shirley attended kindergarten.
00:27:45
Eden & Briana
Her odd behavior brought about concerns to some of the school staff. In the snap of the finger, Shirley would go from laughing and playing to becoming dark and sullen.
00:27:57
Eden & Briana
And this would prompt one of the concerned teachers to actually contact Shirley's parents. Unfortunately, the teacher's concerns and suggestion to have Shirley evaluated fell on deaf ears.
00:28:11
Eden & Briana
Imagine that. Imagine that.
00:28:16
Eden & Briana
Because I suppose back in that day,
00:28:21
Eden & Briana
One, the health resources were probably little to none.
00:28:28
Eden & Briana
People didn't talk about what went on behind closed doors the way they do now. Right. Mental health was not a thing. No. We are more tolerant and more open and more... We're better.
00:28:43
Eden & Briana
We have become better. Have we, though? In that aspect, yeah in that Yes. Have we become soft? I totally believe so, yes.
00:28:54
Eden & Briana
But that's a whole other discussion and a different day. Yep. In 1975, in May of 1975, Catherine gave birth to their fourth child, a son they named b Brian.
00:29:10
Eden & Briana
Five months later... Brian. Yep.
00:29:16
Eden & Briana
You're watching too much Family Guy? Is that Family Guy? Yeah. Brian's a dog, right? Yeah. bri Five months later, Lewis would sustain substantial injuries in a fall at work where the femoral artery and nerves were lacerated in his leg requiring several surgeries to repair.
00:29:35
Eden & Briana
This left Lewis unable to work and a growing addiction to prescription painkillers.
00:29:43
Eden & Briana
Lewis's rage and frustration would be taken out on his family. He became very bitter at his lack of physical improvement. He became more heavily addicted to painkillers and became very good at manipulating doctors into prescribing him stronger narcotics.
00:30:01
Eden & Briana
His abuse of the narcotics had dire side effects, leaving Lewis paranoid and irrational, erupting into fits of uncontrolled rage.
00:30:13
Eden & Briana
At school, Shirley began isolating more and more. She would either spend time with her brother LJ or no one at all. In 1978, at the age of nine, Lewis and his family left New York for California.
00:30:27
Eden & Briana
Their home in California was pretty isolated, except for one house whose picture window had a clear view of the backyard, where a young boy would witness the abuse that took place in the wolf home.
00:30:41
Eden & Briana
Was addiction like a thing back then? Or was it it it was kind of a rare thing, right? Well, I don't know.
00:30:52
Eden & Briana
I wasn't from back then. That's before my, I mean, I would have been born, but too young to understand addiction.
00:31:01
Eden & Briana
But I'm sure it's the same that as it is this day and age, except for now we're more of aware aware of it. And we have electronic medical records. We're able to see every doctor visit and report drug-seeking behaviors.
00:31:21
Eden & Briana
Back then, I don't think so. Okay. Okay.
00:31:30
Eden & Briana
Lewis... Okay. Lewis built a pillory and placed it in the screen porch in the backyard.
00:31:41
Eden & Briana
He would put the kids in pull down their pants, and whip the hell out of them with an electric cord. So, a little history lesson for those of you who do not know what a pillory is.
00:31:53
Eden & Briana
Do you know what a pillory is? don't. Is it like a pole? No. This device was used in the early 19th century, and once I explain what it is, you'll know exactly what it is.
00:32:06
Eden & Briana
it It was a wooden device with holes to lock the head and hands in it and put the person in it on public dis display. display Townsfolk would taunt, insult, hit, kick, and throw rotten food at the person locked in the pillory.
00:32:24
Eden & Briana
And actually, pillories are scattered scattered throughout various areas in my Diablo game. yeah So they're they're really pretty crude. i mean because your hands are locked in these two holes and then your head's locked in these two holes and you just stand there like that.
00:32:45
Eden & Briana
So Lewis's violence became more heinous as the children grew to such an extent that, and you'll know all about this because we have we've worked with these tools.
00:33:01
Eden & Briana
He implemented an electric cattle prod into his punishments.
00:33:07
Eden & Briana
littlelantle I mean, literally, we when we had cattle, we would use electric product, electric cattle prods, but usually as a last resort. We would use the paddles first and try to move the cattle along, you know, get them up the chute a little bit, use the paddle.
00:33:27
Eden & Briana
There was maybe once or twice that I ever had to use a prod. to get an ornery one where it needed to be. So imagine a 1,500, 2,000-pound animal getting hit with a cattle prod, and it hurts them, here and it shocks them so bad that they get their asses moving.
00:33:51
Eden & Briana
Yep.
00:33:55
Eden & Briana
Imagine a tiny little kid. Nope. What it would do to them. Ugh. I've been shocked by an electric fence. Me too! That's enough for me. You keep a freaking cattle prod away from me. i don't care how low the batteries might be. You keep that shit away from me.
00:34:11
Eden & Briana
Brandon chased me with one. Oh, I could- And the battery was almost dead, but it still smocked. He got you with it? No, but he would, like, get close to me and he'd the button. And you could hear I could hear it.
00:34:24
Eden & Briana
Whoa, that made me go even faster. Zzzzzz. Yeah. Oh, God. You could the little electric waves. Mm-hmm. Oof! no Nope. Okay. So anyway, yeah, he, he used small- And I'm assuming that would leave burn marks.
00:34:41
Eden & Briana
I am not 100% sure on that. I cannot say yes and I cannot say no because I don't know. keep talking. Are you going to look it up? am. I don't want you to miss anything, so maybe I'll just wait a minute and you can read it.
00:34:54
Eden & Briana
Does cattle prod leave burn marks on humans? Prods leave. Burn marks.
00:35:06
Eden & Briana
It doesn't on the cattle. On humans.
00:35:12
Eden & Briana
If more powerful prods are applied continuously to the skin, the current eventually causes heating, searing, burning, and scarring of the skin at the contact point. So that's a yes.
00:35:29
Eden & Briana
they would receive a jolt of about 1,000 to 4,000 volts. Holy shit.
00:35:39
Eden & Briana
Ooh. Okay.
00:35:43
Eden & Briana
Now,
00:35:46
Eden & Briana
by the fifth grade, Shirley had been suffering years of physical, and this is the part that I didn't get into, and sexual abuse.
Legal Complications in Shirley's Case
00:35:58
Eden & Briana
at the hands of her father. And this was reflected in her behavior. She was plagued with anger and resentment with the inability to control it.
00:36:13
Eden & Briana
Shirley had a tough girl reputation at school. In the eighth grade, she became friends with a small group of girls. They saw her as a wise addition to their group as they all knew if it came down to a fight, Shirley could hold her own.
00:36:27
Eden & Briana
it would not It would not be too long before Shirley started confiding in her new friends about her life at home.
00:36:37
Eden & Briana
Shirley continued down her rebellious path. She started stealing and getting into fights at school. And this may have coincided with Louis getting more and more violent at home until things finally came to a head. Where are we at? 36 minutes already, okay.
00:36:54
Eden & Briana
After one particularly bad fight between Lewis and Catherine, Lewis slammed out of the house and left. Shirley went to check on her mom and she asked, quote, if dad did something wrong, would they take him away, unquote.
00:37:13
Eden & Briana
It would be at this time that Shirley would tell her mom about the years of inappropriate touching and grooming that led to the repeated rape by her father.
00:37:28
Eden & Briana
That's disgusting.
00:37:33
Eden & Briana
I hope he dies painfully. Okay.
00:37:42
Eden & Briana
Catherine called the police and and they were taken in for formal questioning. The police placed the family in a safe house and Lewis was brought in for questioning.
00:37:56
Eden & Briana
Now, of course, he denied everything. Well, yeah, he was good at manipulating doctors and to giving him painkillers, narcotics, stronger narcotics.
00:38:10
Eden & Briana
Of course, he's going to be able to... He denied everything and he actually agreed to take a polygraph test. However... he would fail to show up for the test.
00:38:25
Eden & Briana
He had packed up his stuff and went on the run.
00:38:29
Eden & Briana
ah felony arrest warrant was issued for Lewis Wolf, citing luwd and lewd or lascivious acts upon a child under 14. An APB, which is an all points bulletin, was put out with a caution stating suspect armed with numerous weapons and has stated he will not be taken into custody.
00:38:53
Eden & Briana
Unfortunately, Lewis got to his family before the police could get to him. Now, I do not know what took place during this time that he had his family, but on November 22nd, he called and was taken into custody.
00:39:12
Eden & Briana
Now, Catherine did what many women who are in abusive relationships do She recanted her statements and claimed it was all made up by Shirley.
00:39:26
Eden & Briana
She can go to hell, too. So they have no real evidence.
00:39:32
Eden & Briana
Did they have rape kits?
00:39:37
Eden & Briana
I don't know back then. I don't even know where DNA was at back at that time. I don't think it was...
00:39:44
Eden & Briana
So in December, Lewis pled no contest to misdemeanor child molestation and was sentenced to 180 days in jail with 30 days suspended.
00:39:59
Eden & Briana
Wow.
00:40:02
Eden & Briana
In the meantime... know, I had a really good day today. And you're freaking ruining it. I'm sorry. Bitch. I am so sorry. Are you, though? Are you...
00:40:14
Eden & Briana
I had to research it. You can listen to it.
00:40:18
Eden & Briana
So going tell you what Catherine did in the meantime, because Shirley
00:40:29
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couldn't be in the same house.
00:40:34
Eden & Briana
What do you think she did?
00:40:39
Eden & Briana
don't know. She sent surly Shirley to a foster home.
00:40:46
Eden & Briana
So why did she send her I don't know. In the meantime, Catherine sent Shirley to a foster home. That's what I have written down. I'm assuming because she had to find something to do with her because she could not be in the same household with Lewis.
00:41:08
Eden & Briana
This turned out to be a complete disaster and only lasted three months. And if y'all don't remember what no contest means, it means that he's basically pleading guilty because he knows that there is enough evidence to convict him of said things.
00:41:33
Eden & Briana
So that's pleading to no contest. No, that's the Alfred plea. ah No contest is not admitting guilt. Right, but basically by pleading no contest, he's getting a lesser charge. Yes.
00:41:54
Eden & Briana
So why would you want to plead no contest if you're not guilty?
00:42:00
Eden & Briana
Wouldn't you want to fight it? One would think. One would think. My point it exactly. So... Her second foster home placement was just as much of a disaster and school was even worse.
00:42:16
Eden & Briana
By this time, everyone knew Shirley's story and she had become even more withdrawn and isolated than before. In her third or fourth foster home placement, Shirley began keeping a diary.
00:42:30
Eden & Briana
Her first entry reads as follows. February 1983, age 13, quote, nineteen eighty three age thirteen quote I've done bad things in my time, but I plan to do my best so I will make others happy.
00:42:45
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I will be honest with myself and others. I will not lie in this book. I will tell everything about my life. I wish myself luck." unquote On the inside back cover of the diary, also dated February 2nd, she wrote, quote, If this book is ever found and I am famous,
00:43:05
Eden & Briana
alive or dead, please keep good care. If you sell it, please remember this book holds my memories, feelings, and thoughts and troubles and needs. Thanks." um
00:43:23
Eden & Briana
Shirley began to have a lot of inner turmoil.
Cindy and Shirley's Bond and Listener Engagement
00:43:27
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She missed her family and she was beginning to feel guilty for putting her father in jail.
00:43:35
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She was feeling unwanted as she was moved in and out of different foster homes. On May 10th, in an outburst of anger, Shirley meet a boy in the groin, resulting in her being suspended from school.
00:43:50
Eden & Briana
At this point, the only choice CPS had left was to send her to a group home where they were better equipped to handle tough cases like Shirley. This is where Shirley Wolfe and Cindy Collier's lives would change forever.
00:44:06
Eden & Briana
Two broken, betrayed little girls who could see themselves in the other.
00:44:14
Eden & Briana
And that is the end of part one. Mother. I'm leaving you guys hanging.
00:44:21
Eden & Briana
Because part one took me almost 45 minutes. Wow.
00:44:28
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wow
00:44:32
Eden & Briana
I didn't get into the sexual abuse for Shirley. It was bad. He groomed her and said things to her like, you're my little girl, you know, we can't tell your mom.
00:44:45
Eden & Briana
And it was physically, it made me physically ill, but i had to read it to get read it get through it.
00:45:02
Eden & Briana
I just didn't want to put it in here. But if you guys do want, you can let me know before next week. If you want more of the details of what Shirley went through, just comment on the YouTube and I can dig in a little deeper and bring it out more.
00:45:23
Eden & Briana
But I want you guys to remember as we go into part two, feel sorry for the child, not the adult Well, they they're not adults, but what they do is horrific.
00:45:40
Eden & Briana
And just think this could have all been prevented. Yes.
00:45:47
Eden & Briana
Yes. Well, very much so. So if you have questions, concerns, case recommendations, you can get hold of us at minorsofmayhem at gmail.com.
00:46:00
Eden & Briana
um You can get us on Facebook Messenger. And while you're at Facebook, hit that follow button. That's where we put up photos and things pertaining to the cases.
00:46:11
Eden & Briana
And I'm going to warn you guys right now that next week will be our last episode for
00:46:22
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two weeks. Because I'm leaving. She's going to Hawaii. Hawaii.
00:46:29
Eden & Briana
Pearl Harbor, one place I've always wanted to see and she's doing it. So she better take a lot of pictures. So she's going on vacation and I really hate doing cases by myself.
00:46:42
Eden & Briana
Yeah. It's not as fun and it's not as, you know, to have the feedback. So unless I can find somebody to step in for her, I won't be doing a case.
00:46:59
Eden & Briana
Um, If I can find somebody to step in, i will do a case. But I will let you know on Facebook whether there will be one or not. Now, part two will come out next Sunday, but it'll be the following Sunday that there either will or will not be one. It just all depends.
00:47:18
Eden & Briana
Yeah. And if I do do one, it won't be video. It'll be audio only because... I'm not driving over here to the pod lab. Right.
00:47:28
Eden & Briana
and So it would be audio only. If there's any good updates on the Hoshelp case, I guess I could jump on and give a quick update. Yeah. I could always do that. I'll play it by ear, but I will post one way or the other on Facebook.
00:47:45
Eden & Briana
Yeah. So any of you guys who don't want to stick around for any banter, you can exit.
00:47:52
Eden & Briana
I'm done bantering. You're done bantering. I want to say that I didn't write all my resources down, but I heavily read relied on a book called Little Girl Lost.
00:48:05
Eden & Briana
And on my next episode, I will list all the resources and I have will list the author and where you can find this book. I actually found this really cool website. because I couldn't get Little Girl Lost in an audio or a Kindle edition. It was not there.
00:48:24
Eden & Briana
Somehow I stumbled across something called ah website called Internet Archives. And you sign up and you can borrow books that are just scanned in. Oh, wow.
00:48:35
Eden & Briana
For free. Wow. That's kind of cool. you borrow it and you use it and then you return it. um be down So that's how I came across. So that's something to keep in mind for you if you need more resources on something and you can't find the book in our usual places. Yeah.
00:48:52
Eden & Briana
Internet archives. It's a really awesome.
00:48:57
Eden & Briana
It's kind of cool. Resource here. Yeah. But they scan them in. So it's not like the Kindle. It's not like reading a regular book. They like scan the actual pages in.
00:49:09
Eden & Briana
So you're looking at the actual page of the book. So it's a little different, but but it worked. And I was very thankful that it did because this book that I relied heavily on wasn't available.
00:49:24
Eden & Briana
So good resource to know. Yeah, that's awesome. um That's all I have for today. Do you have any questions, thoughts, comments?
00:49:35
Eden & Briana
I think I said enough that is appropriate.
00:49:43
Eden & Briana
And I gave out the Facebook. Oh, where's our YouTube channel? YouTube.com slash at Miners of Mayhem or just Miners Mayhem.
00:49:54
Eden & Briana
I can't remember. It's been, yeah, because we haven't done video in a while. In a hot minute. I can't remember either. You'll find it. Yeah, just type in Miners of Murder. Miners of Murder?
00:50:06
Eden & Briana
Miners of Mayhem. at Yeah, in YouTube, and it should pop up. yeah We love you guys, and we appreciate each and every one of you, and we'll see you for part two next week.
00:50:18
Eden & Briana
Bye. Bye.