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E8: Los Angeles (Banshee Tour Wrap-Up)
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In our final episode covering the Banshee Season Tour, Eric talks about his experiences at the two LA-area shows:
Highland on August 30, 2023
https://www.countingcrows.com/show/yaamava-theater-2023
and Inglewood on September 6, 2023
https://www.countingcrows.com/show/youtube-theater-2023
Next, Eric and Chris spend considerable time going over their conclusions on the tour as a whole. They run down the songs played every night and the songs played only a few times, talk about the resurgence of Charlie's accordion, and, yes, discuss that Taylor Swift cover.
Last, the guys use this wrap-up episode to think about their history seeing the Crows. In doing so, they announce their "Top Songs You Haven't Heard Live but want to (Concert White Whales)" and "Top Song you heard live only once and are dying to hear again".
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Transcript
Introduction and Overview of Los Angeles Banshee Tour
00:00:17
Speaker
Welcome to Episode 8 of Sullivan Street, where we're going to talk about the Los Angeles Banshee tour and wrap up our thoughts about the Banshee tour in general. But first, let's talk to Chris. How are you? I'm good. I'm good. I've been
00:00:33
Speaker
anxiously waiting to hear about your thoughts on these shows because they haven't gone up on nugs yet. You told me I was ready to listen to your two shows and be able to talk about what's been going on, but I'm just going to have to trust you.
00:00:51
Speaker
yes it is building block in our relationship and thank you and it is your address is a big thing and i'll probably break it every so often but mostly i'll be okay um the yeah it is funny i guess the troubadour show was like this as well but but uh but i was um
00:01:05
Speaker
Thinking like this is the first and I didn't take notes during the shows but this is the first time and almost like rationalizing why I had to see him twice on the same tour like oh it's for journalistic purposes now that I have the podcast I have to keep up to date with these things turn it into a full-time job so yeah, so officially I didn't count how many they've had but the
00:01:27
Speaker
right now is the eve of the Berkeley show I guess maybe not the eve but they're playing the Berkeley show tonight which I guess we've called right that's supposed to be their hometown show usually right I mean Berkeley is the sort of the starting point right yeah I don't know supposedly that's like one of their special shows I don't think they really changed the set list that much for the Berkeley show ever I do think from what I've heard they try to put a little extra effort into their shows there
00:01:53
Speaker
And I would like to see, you know, I actually said to somebody yesterday, I have two friends up near there, and one who I actually have, I don't want to say turned into a crow's head, but I took him to a show a couple years ago and he was really impressed how good they were live and is actually going to see them tonight, partly because of that.
Summer Tour Highlights and Setlist Surprises
00:02:12
Speaker
But yeah maybe next time I would see them there but after today they have I guess officially one two three four five six seven eight eight shows left so so we are gonna use this as the kind of our thoughts about the tour in general.
00:02:29
Speaker
Yeah, please. Yeah, we're getting towards the end. Although they have at times, sometimes it's like those last three shows where they're like, we're busting something out. So this has definitely been a summer of them kind of going back into the catalog a bit and finding some things they hadn't been playing and or hadn't been playing a lot. I was sometimes surprised. I'd see something pop up on a set list and you go back to last year and it's like,
00:02:53
Speaker
Actually, they did play that two times last year. You just sort of kind of forgotten it, but they have been, I feel like, getting more into the rest of their catalog than they were over the course of the summer. They've been kind of slowly dipping in. And I have some stats about that, which we'll get into after I talk about my shows. And the one thing I was going to say, because we kind of hinted about this, when the Banshee tour kicked off,
00:03:18
Speaker
But if they've done 59 shows this year, and what did I say? There's eight more to go or something like that. Um, so when they're into the sixties, this would mean that it is the most that they've toured since 2015. Okay. Uh, in 2015, they did 80 little over 80 shows, which itself was the largest amount they've done since 2008. So, um, which, uh, yeah. So, so yeah. So this has been a major show. I mean, a major tour for them.
00:03:46
Speaker
Yeah, well, it's a little bit the, and if you think about it, you combine it, if you think about the calendar year, right? If not just the, sorry, a rolling year. Last fall, they went to Europe, right? So if you combine this year up to September, plus all the stuff they did in the fall last year, maybe comes probably close to 80 shows. And it sort of makes sense, because this is finally,
00:04:11
Speaker
It took them
Evolution of the Banshee Tour and Venue Insights
00:04:12
Speaker
kind of a while to do the Butter Miracle Tour. 2015 is really the Somewhere Under Wonderland Tour, right? That album got released in the fall.
00:04:20
Speaker
And then 2008 is the Saturday nights and Sunday mornings tour, essentially. So it's interesting though, that this is, it finally, they finally gotten to that point. Although of course, as they got towards the end of this tour in the US, they stopped playing the suite basically altogether. And so it's not quite the butter miracle tour anymore. Although I guess kind of the US got the butter miracle tour in 21 and 22. It's a little different. It's been a little different. Officially when I saw them in 2021, they called it the butter miracle tour.
00:04:50
Speaker
Right an interesting fun fact for crows heads the the then this I guess would have tied to recovering the satellites and maybe the height of their popularity that the according to set list the most they've ever toured in one year in 1997 almost 140 shows
00:05:08
Speaker
that's a lot of shows a lot of shows so uh yeah there's a little fun fact that makes sense because they basically toured they toured europe multiple times they toured they did giant u two us tours right they did a spring tour and a a giant summer tour and of course they did this stuff in the fall with the
00:05:24
Speaker
10 spot and all that stuff so it's yeah it's interesting make sense that i guess if that was the peak and also probably the peak of their popularity as a live band. Yeah absolutely so yeah so i got to see them twice in the in los angeles and we're going to call this episode los angeles or the la metro so i'm not counting san diego in there even though this part of
00:05:45
Speaker
So at first I saw them in Highland, which is pretty funny and even well, I'll get to that later. So Highland. So there's a casino in in Highland. So part of this will be that they played a casino show here. And of course, they played a casino show in Vegas as well. Officially, I think it's in San Bernardino. Now it says Highland because San Bernardino has a rough and tumble
00:06:09
Speaker
you know reputation and so I think that's kind of Highland is officially like kind of a neighborhood or almost a yeah I don't even know how to describe because it's not really a suburb of San Bernardino so a casino there
00:06:23
Speaker
from the San Manuel tribe and they've renamed it a Yama for those that don't know. And as I told somebody else, they actually own and recently bought the Palms Casino in Las Vegas, which is why they played at the Palms Casino in Las Vegas a couple days later.
00:06:41
Speaker
And somebody told me, because Yamava, so the one interesting thing about both my shows, and the other one I saw was the YouTube theater, is that both of these venues are considered theaters, and they were both built in the last three years. All the brand new? Yes, the YouTube theater in Inglewood. So that's kind of, it's not connected physically, but it like is 20 steps away basically from the SoFi stadium where the Rams,
00:07:08
Speaker
and the Chargers play. There's a little courtyard separating them. They're in the same complex. So that was built- So not even Los Angeles either. That's Inglewood. Inglewood, exactly. So they even say that there. So yeah, then at least that one, because the Highland is a little debatable of that, whether it's real address there or not. But- I'm always confused if places outside of Los Angeles are also good places to find yourself a taco.
00:07:31
Speaker
That's a really good place to find yourself. San Bernardino would be right. San Bernardino does not have a great reputation, but it has one of the best reputations for Mexican food. In fact, it's not in the best neighborhood, but there is a restaurant in San Bernardino. I think Taco Bell originally started in San Bernardino in the chain.
00:07:51
Speaker
And so not only that, but supposedly the urban legend is, and actually you can see this, this was featured in CBS Sunday mornings, that the restaurant they stole it from, the idea of the hard shell taco, was also from San Bernardino. And that restaurant is still in business. I think it's the Mitla Cafe, you can look it up. Oh, interesting. So you could go to the actual originator of the hard shell taco. Exactly, that Taco Bell. That's a good time. Now I took advantage of.
00:08:19
Speaker
Yeah so so they played and one thing i did hear it but you have maybe a little more thoughts cuz you see them before the one interesting thing about this show and a couple of the others but very few is that dashboard confessional did not join i think it's partly cuz a break but i also think it might have something to do with the venue.
00:08:36
Speaker
Well, and maybe with the theater, the deal they were cutting with the theater in term eight. Well, I would say two things with theaters that can make them different, right, is with casinos. One, again, the deal that's getting cut has I assume has to be sort of different than the deal that an amphitheater would cut just generally. But then also, I would think that casinos like their show shorter. And my assumption would be that Frank Turner was taking a set. I don't know how long he played for, but I assume he was taking a much shorter set than dashboard. And it may not have just been
00:09:06
Speaker
efficient to be like, well, we're going to get dashboard here and have them play 30 minutes. That's not going to make everyone happy. Or the crows are not going to play a headlighting set. And so they went their separate ways for a week or something. I think he did play a little shorter.
00:09:19
Speaker
actually and the crows themselves played a couple songs shorter than they have in 18 that show as opposed to 20 or 21 not much and someone said it's funny because now that so yeah so as i said the youtube theater in englewood has only been about three years old um and then this theater the yamava theater in fact it even got featured in some la articles because it was even newer i think it's only officially one year old or one and a half so it wasn't supposed to be oh the theater itself is very nice and the acoustics are just like youtube are
00:09:49
Speaker
I'm told state of the art and somebody told me outside the show, which I kind of guessed. Anyway, if you looked at the Yama of us, um, like who's been playing there recently, well, first of all, it looks like the best of, for anybody that grew up in the nineties, like Dave Matthews was playing there, smashing pumpkins. There's a couple of just, it's some of the names are escaping me, but in the late summer, they, yeah, it was like a greatest hit and someone told me.
00:10:11
Speaker
Because I was like, geez, only 3,000. The YouTube Theater is 6,000. So this venue is 3,000. Somebody said, oh, they're paying big, big, big time money to these artists to show up.
00:10:20
Speaker
So they're not making the money off the ticket prices. Well, that's the other casino thing, right? They're trying to get people in who have names so that people will come gamble. Gamble, before and after. Yeah, exactly. And then I ate dinner there, so I get it. They made money that way.
Frank Turner and Audience Dynamics
00:10:37
Speaker
So you said, what are your thoughts on Frank Turner? He's interesting. I didn't know a lot about him. He's British. He said he flew in just the night. He's like, I just flew in 10 hours ago from the UK.
00:10:49
Speaker
And you said you've seen him a couple times? Yeah, so he's, I feel like connected to sort of the New Jersey punk scene for whatever reason, just relationships and stuff like that. So I saw him at a festival.
00:11:04
Speaker
Geez, over 10 years ago in basically a parking lot in New Jersey. And I've also seen him open four Counting Crows in New York a couple of years ago on the first leg of the Butter Miracle Tour. And he's good. I like him. He's not someone I'm a big fan of or a go-to. I have some friends who really are very big Frank Turner fans, and I get it and appreciate it. I enjoy him.
00:11:29
Speaker
My favorite poster artist, Jeff Everett Rockers, I read has done some really cool stuff for him too. So I get it with him and I'm not a, I'm a fan, but not a, he's in the middle of my list of counting crows.
00:11:42
Speaker
supporters of support acts. I mean, one thing I love is this actually came up with dashboard confessional, even though, of course, I want everybody to be a diehard Crows fan. I also like really appreciate and love when there's random fans that basically came there for Frank Turner or for dashboard. I always get a kick out of that, too. In fact, the what wasn't a couple was two cousins next to me. And one was a Crows fan and one was Frank Turner fan. So that's why they decided to go to the show together.
00:12:12
Speaker
We'll talk about it later, but casino, I'd love to hear other people's thoughts. That's my first true casino show. I did go to one, the House of Blues in New Jersey, but even though it was at a casino, it was not a casino show. It was general admission. It was all younger people. This, and it was a different generation. This, a lot of the people near me, they're like, oh, I won the tickets. I was comp the tickets. My work gave me tickets.
00:12:39
Speaker
And we'll talk about this. Crow sounded great. And I even wrote you about it. I think sometimes they can ignore the crowd. It's not that crowd was bad. And the crowd wasn't, some American crowds, we've talked about this, people are just drunk or talking to themselves the whole time. And that aggravates me. They're not even listening.
00:12:56
Speaker
I had one or two songs that came up in the L.A. show. But this one, no, the crowd was very polite. They just did not really know the crows that well. They did know their major songs. And in fact, you know, because that, you know, what got one of the biggest audiences approval was when they started playing Big Yellow Taxi, right? Because people know that's right. Yeah, the hits. Well, that's the thing. You get that casino crowd that's very. Yeah, they're probably there for the hits on the whole.
00:13:25
Speaker
A lot of people got comp tickets. The energy level tends to be a little lower. And I tend to avoid casino shows for that reason, unless it's something where it's going to be general admission in the front, like the the Borgata in Atlantic City does a similar thing where it's like it's general admission in the front and the seats are right behind it. And so if you're comping people seats, at least they're not the people in the front row. Yes, as opposed to the highest roller gets the front row seat and they're just sort of
00:13:52
Speaker
sitting there for and not having a good time. I just love those venues. I want more of the, and that's what I said they had in the UK and what I miss and actually kind of came up in the LA because they want, some of the fans wanted to treat that even though it was seats as a general admission where you could stand up. You know what I mean? That not general admission, but that they wanted to stand the whole time. Sure. A lot of them, but then, but of course there's 20% of the people that are like, Hey, I paid $500 for these seats. Like sit down in front of me, right? You get that whole thing.
00:14:19
Speaker
where I like, yeah, when I was in the UK, a lot of the venues was, as you said, a pit kind of in the front for those that want to do that, and then the seats in the back, so. Yeah, and the crows are kind of a weird fight with that, and that the energy is...
00:14:32
Speaker
I generally prefer to stand for Accounting Crow Show. Yes, me too. I also get that it's not necessarily music you need to be up and dancing to, or certain songs especially. You don't really need to be up for. So there's kind of that weird tension.
Setlist Choices and Musical Exploration
00:14:48
Speaker
I think it's true of a lot of bands
00:14:51
Speaker
like this, that sort of mid-tempo Americana rock band that it makes sense to stand for, but it's also not, it's not, it's not weird to me that people are like, I'm just going to sit down and enjoy this. So it's kind of, but it's hard in the stand in the seated venues for that reason, right? Where there's that tension between if one person stands up and you're like, well, I want to sit down. I don't know. It's the endless fight, right? It's the tale as old as time. There's the person that's like, no, I paid for this ticket and I get to stand up. And the other person being like,
00:15:20
Speaker
I paid for this ticket and I get to sit down and it's like, maybe we could all just agree on sections or something. Exactly. And I've even seen that at sports games, like when I went to college, yeah, when I went to college and stuff that, no, I agree. And I would definitely pay extra. The Europeans have that with soccer, right? The Europeans kind of have the like, here's the section for the yelling people. Here's the section for the people that just want to sit and enjoy the game.
00:15:43
Speaker
Like someone explained to me the first time I bought tickets to soccer in Italy where they were like, Oh, you want, what section do you want? What do you want to do? And they were like, this one's for this. I was like, Oh, interesting. I think I'm going to do this. I think that's what I do. But you're right. Concert should have that. I think concert should have that.
00:15:59
Speaker
Yeah, and you're right. Like time and time again, you don't have to stand up, but right for me, it's a religious experience going to the Crow show. So I do want to stand up for time and time again, but I also have this kind of guilt. I don't know. It's not Catholic guilt, but I don't like blocking the people of back of me, you know, or behind me. So I tend not to stand up unless everybody else is so.
00:16:16
Speaker
Yeah, we'll see. So yeah, the Yamaha show was, which one thing was great, Chris, that just like the show you saw in New York, they did a tribute to us by starting it off with Sullivan the Street. They know. They know. They know. And I was so happy about that, because that was the first time, obviously, I've heard it since we started the podcast. And I was all in. It is one of my, and it actually,
00:16:41
Speaker
and we'll talk about that with the LA show they started well i'll even say it now both of these shows started with maybe my two favorite crow opener songs which is Sullivan Street and then the LA show they started with Catapult which i love as an opener i guess Mrs Potters is maybe my other one although i've only seen that once maybe of them opening but that's another great opener but both of them are like they're
00:17:05
Speaker
They're not total deep cuts, but they're not one of the hits. And I just, yeah, they both of them put me in a great mood. So I was here in the Sullivan series. Now, it's funny. One of the things I was going to say about some of the songs is that, hey, I like this song, but I've kind of heard this enough already. I don't hear it again. For some reason, I never seem to feel that way about which was the number two song in both shows, which I got to see now, St. Robinson.
00:17:34
Speaker
Because I just think that song is so great. So far, I've never gotten sick of seeing St. Robinson live. And we're going to talk about this later. For whatever reason, I've seen them play that at half the shows that I've gone to. And that is not a song they play that often. And it's really ironic because it is my sister's favorite song that they play. And I think literally every show I've gone with my sister with maybe four times, they played St. Robinson.
00:17:58
Speaker
Well, hey, again, they're, they're, they're, they're pleasers or crowd pleasers. I also, I would say I, the one thing I will say about that song is that I, I really like it. And I like it live. I really love, there was like a 2000, like 2003, 2004, they were doing an acoustic version of that. And it'd be really cool to see them bring that back at some point, just cause it's a unique take on it. And I liked, I liked the original, the original.
00:18:23
Speaker
that they play it pretty close to the original now. I kind of, I really liked that acoustic version they'd worked up and they just kind of have, they abandoned it at some point a long time ago, but I'd be interested to hear them play that again. Yeah. And as much as they've gone more, and we'll talk about this, to playing a lot of the greatest hits every show, boy, I got to give gross credit to start off, you know, that there are two songs or three of the, you know,
00:18:48
Speaker
quote, unquote, top two songs that I've seen were St. Robinson, Sullivan Street and Catapult. So it's not like they're only playing their, you know, greatest hits. I mean, I guess you can argue Sullivan Street because it was on August. But you know, one interesting thing about St. Robinson is that interesting thing. One observation I had is that
00:19:05
Speaker
You know, somebody was writing on one of the forums or something about, you know, hey, Adam is not 20 years old anymore. You know, his, you know, there's certain songs and maybe he can't hit the certain notes. Maybe, you know, he's always talked about up all night is, I think, difficult for him to sing live now and some of the other ones.
00:19:22
Speaker
So I did notice in the last couple of years, because I've seen St. Robinson a couple of times, that when he does the final, you know, get into my car and drive, that he's been singing that, I guess it would be an octave lower or whatever, because it's really high. And which is fine, but that was my, and I get that, but that was always my favorite part of the song. Like that, I just love that part so much. And guess what? For the Inglewood show, the LA show,
00:19:44
Speaker
he he tried to he did but he i think if i caught it correctly he played it in the original. Interesting i think he seems like from interviews and things like that but it seems like he.
00:19:57
Speaker
again this is where people I see sometimes people go like well Adam doesn't sing like this anymore and it's like you saw one show um listening to a lot of shows over the course of the tour or parts of them this summer you can really hear there are nights when he's kind of in full voice and he's really got it and there's other nights where he's
00:20:16
Speaker
either for mood reasons or just where his voice feels like. He's like, he's not hitting or going jumping the same way. And it's gonna be different every night based on where his voice is. It's gonna be, it's nature of a voice, right? It's not the same every time. And I think he tries to, one thing I've read about them is that he tries to protect his voice now, so he doesn't mess up the whole tour. And my impression, and we'll get this about the LA show, the Inglewood show,
00:20:42
Speaker
is that he tried to hit more height. Like, I think he took that show very seriously. You know, he spent time in LA. I think he let it all go. There were certain songs that I thought he and I don't think that his mood necessarily was better. I just think for either the audience or he had friends there or he just thought, hey, this is a big show. And I expected to Berkeley today that he's like, I'm going to try to hit maybe some of the notes that maybe I wouldn't try to quote unquote regular show.
00:21:08
Speaker
Yeah, I mean that also you might get again just he taught this talk to talk to the New York show that was that about having lots of friends there. So you get that kind of adrenaline of just sort of having performing for your friends and it's a little bit different. I was at a place recently that was played for my wife's birthday, essentially. And he was like, yeah, I'm a good voice today. And I feel like it's a friends and family show. We're going for some stuff. And I'm like, OK.
00:21:32
Speaker
I believe you. I trust you. I think you always sound good, but you tell me it's better. No, that's great. And then so both shows, then the third and fourth cuts were Mr. Jones, which is that's a fine place to play. Mr. Jones, you got to play it. Number three, get the crowd going after two deeper cuts and color. Now, colorblind is a song. I like colorblind. Is it my favorite song off desert? Like, no.
00:21:55
Speaker
I, that's maybe the one song on the set list I don't really need to see for a while. I've seen it a lot. And I don't, you know, I do understand it's kind of a crowd favorite because of cruel intentions. I do laugh. One thing I was thinking is like, one thing I love about the Crows
00:22:15
Speaker
You know, for Colorblind, they bring the xylophone out, right? And I think that's the only song that they use the xylophone. I just love that they're like, we're keeping it right. Because they can probably recreate that song on Charlie's keyboard. I mean, that sound, right? They don't need to have a xylophone. It's almost like when they play
00:22:33
Speaker
It was at Washington Square when Jim plays it on the books, right? Oh, Michelangelo. Michelangelo, sorry. Then when he plays his hands on the books, that they always bring the book, right? They could either omit that or recreate the sound a different way or something like that. At Washington Square, there's that one big drum that they use. Oh, right. Yes, yes, yes. It's just playing. And I'm doing this. It's an audio medium, so you can't see what I'm doing. But he's just banging away on the one large drum that they only use, as best I can tell, for Washington Square.
00:23:01
Speaker
No, you're right. And bringing the xylophone right takes more room than, I don't know, I don't know when Dave Bryson plays his little, what does he play on? Shakers. Shakers. Shakers. Shakers. Exactly. So then you get, so another, I've said this in the Troubadour, I think, review as well. I actually love that they brought Butterfly in Reverse and I, and fine. He, the harmonies are good and Adam loves singing it. So God bless him.
00:23:26
Speaker
I don't need to see it again, only because I think it's taking a spot from something else. It doesn't. But you know, I actually heard what interesting thing about Butterfly is I heard somebody behind me who was not a Crows fan, I think at the Yamaha show, actually say, whoa, that was great. Like they were impressed by this song they never heard and the way it sounded live.
00:23:46
Speaker
I see here's, here's my pitch would be, um, a rotating slot of the weird, deep pop songs from, um, hard candy. And I'll talk about, well, we have a segment plan later. Right. Uh, I'll talk about there, but I think there's, there's a lot of ones like that that are super unique than that. And I think it's cool. They've started to play butterfly and reverse again, but yeah, to have it the same time every night.
00:24:11
Speaker
You know, yeah, it's what it never, it doesn't need. Uh, so then we got Omaha, which is a crowd favorite. Now, as I say, I, when I wrote you at the Yama of a show, the casino show, I said, well, that was the example because it didn't seem like anybody, that's not true. Not anybody, very low percentage of people in the audience knew Omaha when he tries to get them to sing the Omaha part. Um, so that was interesting. Oh, slightly more did it at the, um, at the Inglewood show.
00:24:37
Speaker
So then in Inglewood, he threw, oh, both of them then, so they're very similar settlers. So both of them, number seven, was Richard Manuel. Now- Did he talk about Robbie Robertson before either of those? Not in the first one, but he did it in the second one. So please talk about that if you heard that. Yeah, there was one, and he'd done it, I think the longest time he spoke about it was right after Robbie Robertson had died. But Robbie Robertson of the band, who was influential in their early career,
00:25:06
Speaker
And it was interesting kind of a dot connecting sort of thing. Obviously, Adam, a big fan of the band, talked about that. But talking about how,
00:25:18
Speaker
Robbie Robertson was the one that gave them the advice. Someone had sort of hooked them up for something when they were starting out and gave them the advice about recording in a house because the band had famously recorded a lot of their classic records in a house called Big Pink, hence the title of one of their biggest record music from Big Pink. And also that it was Robbie Robertson who was the musical director for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame thing where before they even had the record out, they came out
00:25:48
Speaker
and did Caravan because Van Morrison hadn't been willing to show up for his Hall of Fame induction, but that was that connection too. And that basically, you know, Robbie was kind of like an early supporter and a champion and a little bit of a mentor. And, you know, Richard Manuel was Robbie's
00:26:04
Speaker
bandmate in the band. It's always hard to talk about the band sometimes. But the key was the keyboard player. And so obviously Richard Manuel is dead. It's about the morning that Adam finds out that Richard Manuel has died. And so sort of an appropriate song to sing in honor of Robbie Robertson and talk about that. And it does seem like they've been putting that song in the set list a lot.
00:26:28
Speaker
I think because of that that they've been sort of feeling that it's been sort of a little bit of a tribute and they've just been on the kick of playing that song. And it's always been one of those songs I guess up with St. Robinson in that group that
00:26:42
Speaker
They like playing it live, even though it never, Oh no, you know what? I won't put say Robinson his group because in theory, Richard manual was a single, right? We forgot about that. They are actually as a video. It was not a big single. Certainly not something that, yeah, no. So, um, but I was like, but they always liked playing that one live. Um, that's, I'm glad you did a really, I was actually going to mention, I couldn't remember his name, the Robert, but you did a much better job summarizing their tribute for that. It's funny. I, one of the,
00:27:08
Speaker
and i didn't get her name she didn't write me yet but we'll talk about it later i met a couple of fans at both shows a couple more in the l.a. show that are hardcore fans and might even wanna add actually a few expressed interest in joining us on the podcast one day but one of them i talked to she was kind of biggest near the bar area and but the one thing that made me laugh is she was wearing a shirt for the band
00:27:30
Speaker
And I was like, I was like, uh, I said, if Adam sees that he's going to love it. Cause I said, that's one of his favorite bands, right? I know he loves big star and, and the band as when he mentioned some of his favorite bands of all time. And I love that.
Song Meanings and Emotional Depth
00:27:43
Speaker
So I think, um, again, it's a song they've never deviated too much from the original arrangement live, but I do really like that song. And I think it's a,
00:27:53
Speaker
It is kind of an interesting meditation song, right? I mean, that song is about, it's kind of about Richard Manuel dying, but it's really about the fleetingness of lots of things. He's talking about this, but just that interesting sense. And it's also always interesting to me because it's a song that was written in, you know, 2001 or so, 2000, 2001, something like that. But it's really, it's about 15 years before that because Richard Manuel passed away in the mid 80s. And so it is, it's one of those interesting things when people talk about
00:28:22
Speaker
you know, if you're not going through something today, if you're in a happy place, how could you write a song that's deep and meaningful? And it's like, well, sometimes the answer is you think about something that happened 15 years ago, and it strikes you as important. And you write about that, you know? Yeah. And it's the best that it's
00:28:42
Speaker
The version that they played on this tour was the best I've heard, right? I think just a couple little things they cleaned up or whatever. It just sounded great. And, um, you know, there's a little showman, you know, I mean, one thing, of course, if you see the crows all the time, which, which totally makes sense, they're certain.
00:28:55
Speaker
things they're gonna do, I don't know, Omaha is a good example, right? Omaha always goes to one side of the stage, and then he goes to the other side of the stage, and he goes to the middle. So Richard Manuel, there's a couple parts that they kind of have it all set up now. And there's even one part that he always hugs Dan near the end. And he's like, when the morning's coming down or whatever. But it's always a nice, and they do, and they're singing together while they're kind of hugging there. And no, great.
00:29:21
Speaker
Yeah, is it my favorite song? No, but it was like you said, it was very it was very good version both times and I enjoyed it. Then in both of them. Well, in Inglewood, they added an extra one. They added Anna Begins, which, as I said before, I love the quote unquote concert version of Anna Begins, which some people don't like, but I love it. I'm with you. Yeah, I don't really get sick of Anna Begins. It sounds great. Yeah, it's a classic song.
00:29:50
Speaker
Oh, in the YouTube version though, uh, YouTube version, the YouTube theater, he did say, oh, so he messed up one of the, and I caught it. So he messed up a lyric in the beginning. And I was like, Jesus, he realized that. And then he didn't, what he did was he, he skipped the lyric. So he started singing. He said something and then he said it again and he caught himself that he said it again. And he's like, ah,
00:30:17
Speaker
And then he got out his little lyric book that he always keeps on stage that he said he never really uses anyway. Like he actually has all the lyrics in a book on stage. And he said, geez, I never really use it because it's not a convenient place. What am I going to read it actually? So he went, he looked at it for like one second and flipped. And then he goes, you know, I did this in Vegas too, with the same, at the same
00:30:38
Speaker
are. And then he kind of hinted something. I don't know if it's because he messed up the lyric two times in a week or because of other reasons or maybe people complain that they like the old version of Anna Begins or whatever. But he was like, this goddamn song, it's always a pain in the ass or something. And he was kind of laughing about it. But then he redid it from the beginning.
00:30:56
Speaker
And yeah, it was perfect, but I thought that was a funny little moment. Well, you didn't get it either show accidentally in love, right? No, I did not. A few times this summer, but the interesting thing, listening to the versions as they went on nugs, was that it was an increasing journey for Adam to finally actually get the lyrics all the way correct.
00:31:18
Speaker
Oh. He seemed to have the verses sort of done, but then they would go into that bridge part, like, come on, you know, the world is turning like, or getting the order of those right. It seemed just completely escaped him. And you could hear each time when he screwed it up, he's like, Oh, not it. Like, that's funny. And he at one point, I think he actually says like,
00:31:38
Speaker
I wrote this song, I'm the one who wrote it, so it's my fault, but there's too many words going too fast. Why does it work like this? I only have myself to blame for my inability to actually pull this together, although I think the most recent version I heard
00:31:53
Speaker
I do believe they got, he got all of the words in the right order at the right pacing. So it's, it's taken him some time, but I think, and then I think that's a great song and they should play that one more.
Tour Highlights and Personal Favorites
00:32:04
Speaker
So yeah, you're right. It's almost something that got me thinking that the speed of lyrics, now I could be totally wrong about this, but, uh, accidentally love and the other one that comes to mind, not as quick as the earthquake driver.
00:32:15
Speaker
Hmm that they have that kind of quick and you have to know all the like they can't be easy to sing not because of the range of the of the of the notes but because of The speed of the lyrics and that they come up. So yeah, okay. Yeah So then both of them played kind of in the next spot. They both played children in bloom, which I
00:32:36
Speaker
Deep Cut, they brought back. I think it sounds great. Is Children Blue one of my favorite songs? No, but I do like it a lot and it's one of those songs that, as everybody, kind of a hardcore fan knows, that maybe the first time you heard Recovering, you're like, what is this? Is this a Crow song? And then you realize it's kind of genius. And they added a couple, first of all, they give- Carpet crawlers. What'd you say? Carpet crawlers, the Genesis song. He's singing a snippet, and I really like that. He's singing a snippet of the Genesis song, Carpet Crawlers.
00:33:05
Speaker
Okay, I didn't catch that. Carpet crawlers, I can't think of the next, but you've got to get in to get out. Oh, yeah. Again, that's one of those where I'm like, I can't exactly explain the connection in Children and Bloom, but the first time I heard him do it, I'm like, that's perfect. That really accentuates the song in a way that I'm, again, struggling to articulate, but something about the feeling of that
00:33:31
Speaker
Again, I guess they're both about that feeling of trying to get somewhere, emotionally, I guess, trying to get yourself somewhere. That's a connective tissue of those two songs. But yeah, I would have never have thought about that song going there, but I think it sounds great. It sounds great. I guess it's almost like the Crows version of a jam song too, that they all get their chance to jam out a little bit, if you will.
00:34:00
Speaker
and even seeing Dave adding his great portion. And you can just tell they like playing it, all of the band members. And it gives him a break near the end, Adam. He gets to sit down while they jam out. There was something else. Oh, one thing, especially in the first half of the song, again, I'd have to record it to take notes, but Charlie's port, there's more keyboard added.
00:34:24
Speaker
And it really adds to the, I guess I want to say richness of the song. And I can never get enough of Charlie, but he adds some little sound effects and I don't say sound effect, but your keyboard parts in the first half of the song and maybe even a little in the second half, I'd have to hear it. But after listening to it twice, I caught it.
00:34:40
Speaker
I love it i sound like a slightly different of like a an augmented arrangement yes higher version so i like it i think i like better i think it i'm maybe you're right it is the keyboard because it's such a guitar song yes add some little bit more on the keys. That sticks out kinda diversifies the sounds of the song a little bit.
00:35:00
Speaker
I mean, some some non fans like it because if they're rock fans, that's that's the one song that when Amy kind of and Dan go a little nuts on the guitar, they like that portion. But boy, talk about.
00:35:16
Speaker
And again, we'll talk both good and bad about their set list, but talk about a deep cut. Children in Bloom is almost the definition of a deep cut, right? Except, you know, that it was their second, I guess, one second best-selling album. But still, that is a deep cut. It's not the kind of song that most bands are going to play, like, at this point in their career. Not played at all in 2022.
00:35:40
Speaker
and played, well, they hadn't played it since 2015 at that point. And they played it 10 times now this summer. I love it. And again, it's another song where again, it's been eight years, it hasn't been 20 years or whatever, but that one hadn't been in the list at all. And so good to see that one kind of become part of the sort of common core of songs. Although that is part of the thing I would just note, it's been kind of interesting to watch the progression of the tour because
00:36:07
Speaker
you know, things would pop out and then they would at some point, a couple of them, one that I think I was, I know is coming up on your set list here, have become kind of regular. Yes. Where, um, they weren't getting played at all. But now again, you saw them twice in a week and you saw children in bloom twice. Yeah. You know, it's sometimes it's a shifting as opposed to, you know, the, the set list changing, uh, wholesale every night. That's right.
00:36:32
Speaker
So then, although when he announced it a little later, then you get to the point of the program that you get the acoustic, let's just say three songs for the, even though it's not true acoustic, for the YouTube theater one, Black and Blue started. I was fine to hear Black and Blue. That was one that the crowd a little bit around me started talking and not listening to as much.
00:36:57
Speaker
Yeah, so maybe the crowd didn't care, except for some fans. There's certainly some fans loved hearing it, the ones that really knew the Crows. And then in YouTube theater, they played Blues Run the Game, which I've seen before a couple of times, so I didn't need to see it, but I will say absolutely no doubt that was the best version of it I ever heard. Hmm.
00:37:19
Speaker
He sang it, that was the best I ever heard Adam sing it, and it was the best I ever heard Emmie play it. Emmie did this where he added extra things, but it wasn't too gratuitous. You could even argue that sometimes, maybe even going back to the Children in Bloom,
00:37:38
Speaker
Maybe he's a little excessive or just doing it for the whatever this app, but he added these things to blues run the game, at least in my opinion, compared to like the studio version and even what I remember seeing. I thought, yeah, I thought that was fantastic. When I first I'm like, I've heard this a lot. But after the end of it, I was like, whoa, that was that was amazing.
00:37:57
Speaker
and then we'll talk about one song they shared. Now, going to the Yamava, as you texted me, well, Eric, you're happy to see this. They played The Ballad of El Guido from Big Star. It's a great song. Not only is it a great song, but it sounded perfect. They sounded so good in the harm. I was like, I cannot believe that they're not talked about for having
00:38:25
Speaker
Is there any other band that sings harmonies as good as them, especially post the 70s? I'm not sure. They should be in that best of conversation, I think, in terms of harmony singing bands. They do sound great. I love that song. I think he kills it.
00:38:47
Speaker
It's also just a perfect, there are certain songs that are just perfect, not written by Adam, but perfect Counting Crow songs. Yes. And I think that's one of them. Thank you. That was exactly, there's a couple songs from Underwater Sunshine that are just perfect Counting Crow song, even if they didn't, uh, write that. Um, so my second or third favorite big star song. Okay. I think number, number one is what's going on. That's, and I don't know if they would kill that as well as they kill el goodo. So I fair to the crows for.
00:39:15
Speaker
Um, but man, that's a, that's so good. I, I'm a big, I really, I really love big star. I think again, large part because, um, Adam Duritz told me many times how good big star was. And it finally got me to go buy those, you know, the, the, the, it's really the first two records that come used to, they used to come on like a CD together. You could just, okay. Well, I get two records in one. That's a good deal. And I listened to that until final. I was like, Oh, this is, this is pretty great.
00:39:41
Speaker
No, that's great. And then talk about in Yamavan, again, this is when the crowd wasn't that into it. And think about speaking of harmonies back to back, the ballad of El Gudo followed by angels of the silences and the harmony. The crowd was into that. Then I can, I'm ready to fight that. No, they liked it. I'm just saying that some of them maybe didn't know what it was. And then after they listened to it, they're like, Oh, that was pretty good.
00:40:02
Speaker
Yeah, so I talked to you about this on email before you know when I heard they brought back angels of the silence of acoustic I know hardcore fans love this I of course I love that album But there was even a part of me that said well, that's fine. That's fine I'm not too excited and also like I'd rather hear angels of the silences electric and even though that might be still true I
00:40:24
Speaker
I absolutely loved seeing this ten out of ten a highlight of the show it sounded so good and when i saw.
00:40:34
Speaker
all four, I guess it would be the four of them, right? When I saw like in the front, like Dan, and then Adam, Emmy, and then Charlie's there with the accordion, and then Dave, and they're all doing the harmony, and it sounded so good. Actually, that was maybe the one part of the show both times that I almost got chills. I just thought it was that good.
00:40:56
Speaker
Yeah, these are interesting because they had played that song a couple of times last year. So it's not a total bust out that regard, but certainly they've played it according to setlist.fm 22 times this summer, which I will say that is one, again, I think I told you, I listen to at least some of every show, but I'll skip things. I mean, again, if I've heard it a few too many times recently, I'm not afraid to go. I'll check out the next thing.
00:41:20
Speaker
I have I do not skip Angels of the Silences this summer. It is so good. The arrangement is very similar to the original. But again, they're they've tweaked it just a little bit in a way that I think is sounds great. Yeah. And they are killing that song. I've been really happy to hear them kind of go back to that. I kind of it does make me wonder there's been a little bit of rumors swirling about a recovering the satellites like reissue thing. It is interesting to me that as those conversations have happened,
00:41:49
Speaker
they've rediscovered Angels of the Silences, they've rediscovered Children in Bloom. Is there a chance we're gonna get a whole album concert at some point to punctuate it, like when they did August? I'd certainly be into that.
00:42:06
Speaker
I would love to hear that as well so you know I agree with you 10 out of 10 so we're we're. Great yeah that's been my again I think that's my like if I had to pick like a song of the summer from the band I think it's that I think I'm bringing that back and playing it so consistently so well I've been like yeah.
00:42:25
Speaker
you guys just keep playing that don't worry about it i don't care if it's the same every just keep going no i think you're right i think that would be the one and then maybe the number two would be children in bloom and then one other that's going to come up in a second well i guess two others that are going to come up in a second uh so uh any uh yeah we already talked about this in yamava they played uh the big yellow taxi then we get into the round here in palisades park palisades park is a song that i definitely have um
00:42:50
Speaker
More appreciation to and I and I one thing I appreciate about policies park is that and I know it was a complicated song to write Adam is so proud of the song and loves singing it that I do get into it Partly because of that as well plus I like the changing of the so so that is a song now that maybe
00:43:11
Speaker
for maybe not the first time, but the second time I heard it live, I was like, Yeah, it's kind of a longer song. I'd have other songs that I put up there. Now I really am appreciating hearing it. And I thought he sounded great singing at both times.
Fan Reactions and Concert Atmosphere
00:43:22
Speaker
So one thought that was funny was that is that there was one woman at the YouTube theater in the front middle, who when like the first time the tempo kicks in,
00:43:32
Speaker
um that she went nuts it's like you could tell that that was absolutely her favorite song like so crazy about it and she was next to her whatever partner boyfriend husband or something um i don't know how old she was i want to say late 50s or something maybe even early 60s
00:43:48
Speaker
But I just loved it. Like you could tell that was her favorite song and to hear it live and when it started to get. And I was almost getting pumped up for her. So did you get the all of the of the Alton round here in the middle? Yeah, you know, you know what's funny about me is sometimes I don't even catch it or I think, oh, this is an all I've heard before. So I'm not sure I know that he played in all both times. I just started with like, what are you waiting for? Yeah, yeah. Summer's gone. That's right. Yeah. Yeah.
00:44:17
Speaker
And I like that. I think they've gone back. There are some, you know, the round tier versions were coming down to like six, six and a half minutes at the beginning of the tour. And now they're back up to eight because they've got that middle part. And I think it's a good
00:44:33
Speaker
And we're planning to do a little more on Round Here Alts maybe in the next episode. But I think, I don't know exactly where I'd rank it, but it does seem to me like a really good Round Here Alt. It really fits the song. Yeah, it sounds. I've enjoyed it, and seeing it evolve, hearing it evolve. That's great. I was thinking of my, you know, we'll all have like, we'll have 10 nicknames for each other. And then, you know, I almost wanted to call you the Alt Master. No, it's interesting because it's,
00:45:02
Speaker
I will say, again, I listened to every show at least a little bit. And the first time they went into that, I think I was like walking to the grocery store and I was just like, oh, shoot, there's a new one. That's funny. I kind of stopped and I'm like looking around and making sure I'm cranking my phone up to hear it as well as I can on my headphones. Because I'm like, oh, we got new words in the middle here. Where's he going with this one?
00:45:27
Speaker
Yeah, just like people right. It's funny how I noticed a couple other little things from listening. You know, I said like the little part of blues run the game and children and bloom. I noticed a little. Yeah, so that's great. So now speaking of covers that can kind of sound like a kind of grow song.
00:45:41
Speaker
But maybe I'm getting kind of curious too much credit. I don't know, which would be the big news of the last week or so that that Adam, the newly, the new Taylor Swift fan who talked about going to see them in earlier this year, how his girlfriend loves Taylor Swift, how he appreciates her best show. He only would have gotten
Innovative Covers and Musical Influences
00:46:00
Speaker
ticket. He only got tickets because he's famous and he started covering the one and leading right into long December.
00:46:07
Speaker
I love it. The first time I heard it, I was like, you know, it's not, you know, he just plays a couple of notes. And well, then on the way to the concert, I listened to it six times. And I was like, wow, did he pick a song that
00:46:21
Speaker
fits him too. It's not just a good Taylor Swift song, but he picked the song and I almost dare I say the sixth time I heard it, I almost started crying a little bit maybe. But it's because like it has those Adam themes
00:46:37
Speaker
of, you know, almost some of the same themes of possibility days, right? Of regret, what could have been, and it begins too, right? It's the love that could have been his wife, but it just wasn't going to happen because he was backpacking with her. And that this particular thing had to end. So this was about this was, you know, what could have been and going into long December, you know,
00:47:00
Speaker
the crowd favorite, I guess, even for non-Crows fans. I think it's great, the Taylor Swift cover. I like it too. I haven't, I've been waiting a little bit. I've been like listening a little bit on YouTube, but I'm like, I want the properly mastered version on nugs. And I'm like,
00:47:17
Speaker
Come on, guys, put one up because that's one of the reasons they haven't put one up recently. And I want to hear the proper sort of mastered version of that song. And I also always I do like as a thing when he plays something at the piano in into long December. Yes. Those are I.
00:47:37
Speaker
I tend to like that. There's a lot of different things he's done over the years, but every time I'm like, it's always good when he does Goodnight LA. Well, that's what I was going to say. That was the one that always struck me as my favorite when he did Goodnight LA in too long December. That was always my favorite. This is up there now with me and he's only played it whatever five times, but I think it's great. And you know what's great too is that
00:47:59
Speaker
in this tour, and I guess it's the maximum, because tell me if I'm wrong. But I used to, you know, we talked about like, oh, Jim brings his xylophone out for Colorblind. I used to feel that way a little bit, although I guess it's not true about Charlie, because maybe when they weren't playing Omaha, oh, Charlie would come out and do the accordion for long December. Now they basically play Omaha every time. But then it makes me think, oh, there's these old songs that they play. He doesn't play the accordion anymore, because I don't think he's played on any recent album, right, that I can
00:48:29
Speaker
I don't think so. But he but now he comes out for or this story came out four times because he comes out Omaha with the accordion long December with the accordion angels of the silences with the accordion. And now he's playing the accordion on the one the Taylor Swift cover. So interesting. So I was loving seeing Charlie in the front. Now I don't want him to be a full time accordion player because I think he is literally one of the best keyboard players.
00:48:55
Speaker
Yeah, as I've said a hundred times, I think he's a genius. I'd be curious to ask him what was it like to break down, because I don't know the Taylor Swift version well enough to know if there's an accordion part in the original or not. No, and I've been listening to the Taylor Swift version a couple of times. It's pretty poppy. I mean, the lyrics are great and stuff, but I would almost argue that's not one of her best... Well, it's almost not one of the best produced songs of hers, in my opinion.
00:49:25
Speaker
Even though the song itself is great.
00:49:31
Speaker
less produced, but it's like, um, produced differently, right? It's produced like, it's produced by, um, Aaron Desner from the national. So it's produced if it sounds like an indie folk record, like it sounds like Taylor Swift fronting bony bear a little bit. And literally Justin Vernon's on one of those. That's my favorite song from that record is the one, the two of them do together. Um, maybe we can get Adam, maybe Adam and Taylor do that song together. Um, you know, if, once she finds out, maybe we'll get that, uh,
00:50:00
Speaker
I hate to, I'm never, I'm never a fan of, um, of like fantasy booking, um, you know, duets or whatever, but that would be pretty fun. You know, I don't know. It's got their guys out there. I agree. I agree. Um, and that's about it. We got the encore and we kind of already talked to, because of course they do hanging around in holidays, man, every encore we already talked about in the, um, long Island show.
00:50:27
Speaker
uh about them coming out with dashboard confessional i i love that song it was nice to see it live um and then time and time again they've been you know although right they did not play time and time again in your long island show right even though that's why they ran out they ran out of time essentially but um no but it's great and then look that still sounded great i think they've they've really been killing that song with summer that is the best that again that's another song that
00:50:51
Speaker
30 years into their career, that is the best, I think, the best live version of Time and Time Again that they played ever. And it was great. It was great and a great way to kick off the encore. If you're gonna have a couple of the, oh, Holiday in Spain hanging around again, I love that they added Time and Time Again to it for this tour, just to have kind of one deeper cut in there and one song that we haven't heard much in other recent tours, so.
00:51:17
Speaker
was hanging around better with Frank Turner or with dashboard confessional? You saw them so close together. Gosh, part of me thinks maybe it sounded better with Frank Turner, but I do like the chaos when they have with dashboard confessional because with Frank Turner, it was just him and his
00:51:35
Speaker
not friend, but there was just two of them. And then Dashboard Confessional, where there's five in the band, I think, plus the, those are six, if you have the backup singer.
Encore Performances and Band Dynamics
00:51:46
Speaker
And they're just having fun. They're just being silly. They're sitting next to each other. There's more people singing. I don't need to hear hanging around again, but if I do, I actually like it when they bring everybody out on stage. And at the end, Jim was jumping around, which he loves to do. I love Jim's energy.
00:52:05
Speaker
We'll talk about that some other time, but you know Jim
00:52:08
Speaker
And I know that he used to joke, it's partly because he's quote unquote, the younger one, right? That he always said that he, and when he drums, he has, I mean, I'm telling you, there are certain parts, I almost took notes about it, both in Children and Bloom, I think even Richard Mann, there's a couple songs, certainly Catapult, there are some songs that his, I've always been amazed by, I told you, the first time I saw Jim play live, I was like, that was before he recorded with them, I was like, this guy is great, he fits in the count of gross, and he still is.
00:52:36
Speaker
And I know he jokes once, oh, I'm the young guy. That's why I do things like jump around on stage and stuff. But I was like, yeah, but he's kind of how old he is. Let's say he's 42 or something. Well, when the other band members were 42, except for Adam, they weren't jumping around on stage. So it's also part of his personality and his enthusiasm. And it's infectious. And it comes out and hanging around. Adam was calling out one of the Oklahoma shows. Apparently they'd shipped everything west because they were going out for the
00:53:04
Speaker
to the west coast for the next run of shows. And apparently all of Jim's pants. Oh. And so he had to borrow a pair of Bryson's pants. And he's apparently the only one who could borrow Bryson's pants. Oh, that's funny. Adam was saying, Jim, you're playing great. You may just have to keep Bryson's pants. Maybe it's something in the pants. Oh, that's funny. OK, I love little stuff like that. No, I didn't catch that one. So that was, yeah, one of the one of the Oklahoma. I can't recall which one.
00:53:30
Speaker
That's about the wrap now we're gonna talk about the settlers but as far as my experience on tour and it's been almost an hour and your experience I I don't have anything to say about my You know, I could mention well, I guess this is not a bad part to do it I don't want to go overboard about it, but both shows
00:53:49
Speaker
I met some kind of hardcore fans, a couple of them. Maybe I'll briefly talk about some, and some of them I expect maybe to join on the show, but just kind of neat observations. On the first show, as I said, there was somebody that told me about how much they were paying artists. So one thing is that there was a couple behind me that looked, I don't know, maybe mid-50s. And it's funny, they both had crows shirts on that they just bought. So at first I was like, well, they don't go much, or maybe this is their first show and whatever.
00:54:18
Speaker
But then I did notice during the show that they had that they knew some deep cuts. And then so I did. I was like, OK, so I went up to them. Well, there were a couple from the UK who flew here just to see all of the West Coast shows, except ironically, not the Berkeley show tonight. I think they had to leave yesterday.
00:54:35
Speaker
So they flew in and went to like six or seven shows and they're flying back to the UK. And they actually said, I said, I went to the Manchester show last year and they said, yes, it wasn't just you. That was one of the best shows. That was the best we've ever seen around here. So that was great. And in fact, I saw them on the YouTube theater. And on that one, they actually had front row seats. Gary? Yeah, I'm not sure. It might have been. He's bald.
00:55:00
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I don't think he currently has hair. No, I don't know. People I know from the internet. So Gary... Did he bring either wife or partner or whatever? I knew they were coming to the west coast for the show. Okay. That might have been it then. That might be it, Gary. Gary sounds familiar. And he's been a part of the online community for a very, very long time and it's always...
00:55:21
Speaker
um so yeah so we're just participating involved it's great to know that they're still out there enjoying the shows and they were laughing about how much they paid for the front row i guess i should even say but for the front row for the youtube theater but they said it was worth it and um so that was great to meet them and i said they just kind of you can kind of tell um i met another well one interesting and we'll kind of hint this this is that i did see you guys said the
00:55:44
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the crowd was pretty bad.
Generational Fan Connections and Anecdotes
00:55:45
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But I did notice one kind of group where it seemed to be a mother, father, and the two daughters, and they all seem to know all the lyrics. So I went up to them after the show and I said, oh, and then all of a sudden the two daughters, quote unquote, weren't there. And he said, well, ironically, no, he goes, I have daughters, but no, those were just two
00:56:07
Speaker
Yeah, he said I have daughters the same age like 22 but those two girls were just hardcore 22 year old fans They were not my daughters and they just happened to be sitting next to me So but it was great to see them and he was even trying to tell me I didn't have time but tell me the story is like my I don't think he said conceived I think he said born but like my first daughter was born while murder of one was playing or something like that That was an interesting song and I was like, did he say conceived or born? I think
00:56:34
Speaker
But I'd have to check on that. So that was that was great. And the one guy at the end of the show was because he's just a concert fan, but he was telling me about it. And he said he's been seeing Crows live more in the last couple of years because he's you know, he was never like a top. That wasn't like his top 10 band, but they're moving up the rankings because he thinks they're so good live.
00:56:54
Speaker
And so that was interesting. And then he wanted to give a plug. He goes, for your podcast, I still think the best live band is Wilco. So he's a big Wilco fan. But anyway, so that was it. I've never been a big Wilco. And someone will flame me in comments or something, but I've never been a big Wilco guy. I mean, I liked Yankee Hotel Foxtrot just like every other person in college and liberal arts colleges in 2003. I don't think anyone didn't have a copy of that record. But yeah, I don't know.
00:57:24
Speaker
So then the YouTube show, and then I'll mention a couple, I met three, I told you I talked to the person who had the band t-shirt, and then I did meet two other people who I'll just quickly mention, but one, it was a similar thing where I saw, I just talked to the woman in the band t-shirt, and then three women walked by me, and they were, you could just tell, they had, you know, some people just walk in there, they had such full of energy, and it wasn't drunken energy either. You could just tell they were like so excited. They were all dressed in different,
00:57:51
Speaker
fashionable, but not brand new cat and crows t shirts, right? So they had stuff from like prior tours, and they all look young. And I was almost like same thing. And they kind of like kind of saw me and we just chatted real quick. And I was like, Wow, you seem young. How did you get into the crows? Well, it ends up two of them were young, not the third.
00:58:09
Speaker
Uh, the third being, uh, the mother, uh, she gave me a name, uh, Zubiel even say, uh, and she was like, yeah, the reason they, they are, we all are hardcore fans and I passed down the love of crows to my young daughters. And now they're as obsessed as I am. So, um, I might want to hear, cause I think that's so interesting, right? And I haven't met some, there was one time even in a Wisconsin show, but this was.
00:58:32
Speaker
10 years ago now, but there was one college, I guess undergrad at the time, came by herself to the meet and greet. And I just said, whoa, I usually wouldn't expect to see a 21 year old college girl by herself at the meet and greet. And she goes, you know what, my father played cat and crows in the car all the time. And then I started to fall in love with them myself.
00:58:52
Speaker
Yeah, and then I met another younger man who I'll talk to, I hope to get on the show. By the way, the fans all started with Z. There was Zubia, right? And then Zephry was another guy. He, you know, I don't know his age. I'm gonna, because we were just talking about other things. I want to say maybe late 20s, early 30s. So I don't know how he got into the crows, but he actually paid for the,
00:59:13
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soundcheck and everything too. I do want to say I'd love to hear from other Crows fans. When I saw soundcheck once, Adam did not look at
00:59:23
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the people there at all. He had his back turned towards, which I actually understand. He's trying to do sound check and concentrate and doesn't want to make eye contact. And he's kind of mentally going through stuff. When Jeff joined our podcast last time and recently he said he saw them twice in sound check. And both times he's looking at the audience. He's taking questions from the audience. Zephry, who paid for this one, said absolutely not. He had his back turned. He did a couple songs. Yeah. So so
00:59:52
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Yeah. And so anyway, that was that. I guess it's a mood or how intensely they're working that day. Some days it might just be, hey, we're just checking the sound of stuff and making sure we're okay. And other times it might be, okay, we're really trying to get this part of the song right and we got to focus. And I kind of think if he's expecting it exactly to be a bigger show like the LA show, because he has friends there and stuff, he's going to want to concentrate more on the soundcheck maybe.
01:00:16
Speaker
I also wonder if it's a little bit though being a little bit more effusive about it is it maybe a partially replacement for the sound checks used to also have like a meet and greet aspect that I obviously in the in the COVID era, they still got back. So it might be maybe a little bit of that. I don't know.
01:00:32
Speaker
You know, I'd love to know some of the motivations on some of that stuff of what is driving people that day. Yeah, and I kind of thought sound checks had four songs. He said it was three songs. Now, interestingly, he said one was Catapult, which they actually started with. Because sometimes, of course, the songs they play in sound check, the other two songs, they did not, you know, either they're practicing songs or like Start Again is one of their favorite sound check songs. Like a 50 percent chance to sing Start Again, you know, in the sound check. I think it's higher. Yeah, higher, probably 75 percent. Yeah.
01:01:02
Speaker
And then I know the price of these things have gone up. There was a lot of people there that were paying for the VIP package that gives them, I don't know, a poster and a bag and all this stuff, but they don't get to see the sound check. So, I mean, I'm a hardcore fan. How much am I gonna pay to either get a certain level of seats or whatever? I have my limits. And this time I did not do the VIP or the sound check.
01:01:27
Speaker
I will say just a couple other notes just on the, on sort of the tour. Um, another one that I really liked. They only brought out once I think so far, unless I missed one last week or so, uh, they brought back return of the grievous angel, your grand parson song, which I've always, there are songs that are interesting because. I'll find that a lot of people cover them. Like it's something connective about artists that I like also like this song that I
01:01:54
Speaker
Obviously, I probably the crows were the first I think I heard cover that song, but I've heard a lot since play that song Whiskeytown and all the things. And so it is interesting sometimes there are songs that seem to just kind of cut across that just for whatever reason, like people who like I like all these artists, they all seem to like this. And that's one of them. And I again, I'm a big
01:02:16
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a big fan of that song and a big Grand Parsons fan, I think in part because of the influence of Adam Dirts. No, thanks for bringing that up because I was going to segue into our final part, but I did want to. I did have the stats and actually I have it for the year. So I guess that includes one or two shows, one in particular that was before their tour. So I do have the songs they played. And again, even though there's like eight, nine, well, there's nine, basically half their set list, they play the same every show.
01:02:44
Speaker
And then I'm like, well, it seems to be kind of the same songs they rotate in and out. But if you look at all the songs they played this year, they played more than 50 different songs. Now, some of them, they only played a handful of times or less, but you can't fault them for, you know, for a set list that's usually 20 and they're playing the
Setlist Consistency and Personal Song Wishlists
01:03:02
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same nine. Well,
01:03:04
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Yeah, and like you said, so the fun fact is that long December, they officially did not play every show because there was some kind of intro show or something in Arizona where they only played like six songs or something earlier in the year, and long December was not one of them. Oh, interesting. Yeah, so the only songs they played at every show this year were hanging around Mr. Jones and Rain King, and of course,
01:03:26
Speaker
Long December, so every show on the Banshee tour, they also played, besides hanging around Mr. Jones' Rain King, they played Long December every time, Colorblind, Holiday in Spain, and Omaha, and every show but one round here. So those eight songs, and almost every show, it looks like they only skipped it like three times. They played Butterfly in Reverse. So those are nine songs already. And then most shows, they play time and time again in Miami.
01:03:53
Speaker
40 time and time agains, interestingly, which is, again, it's a lot when you think about like, oh, they hadn't been playing that. Yeah. And then if you think they're going to play big yellow taxis and so long, so long with dashboards there. So those are more songs that they're going to cover most shows. So, um, so anyway, uh, you know, there's a couple, like you pointed out and I got lucky with ballad of El Guido that you'd have only played twice. Um, 14 plays. Interestingly, if this is the whole year, 14 plays of the suite.
01:04:21
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which when they've played over 45 shows means it's now down to a third. And obviously a lot of that is it not being played this summer for a lot of the tour.
01:04:32
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But Miami, Big Yellow Taxi, Angels of the Silences, and If I Could Give All My Love, Richard Manuel, are kind of the middle right after. But there's a big drop off. You go from 40, time and time again, it's 31, so long, so long. And then it's, in the 20s, it's just Miami, Big Yellow Taxi, Angels, and If I Could Give All My Love, Alice, Hanson, Sullivan, and after that.
01:04:52
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Yeah, and then they have a couple, but it's interesting that they like, because these were two songs I really wanted to hear, that like four days in high life, they only played six times, which almost kind of surprises me, because you'd think that they would have, unless they just, like it seems like songs that they'd have to practice to get back into the rotation, and they only played it like five times, right? Because some of these songs that, like I wish I was a girl, they played it enough, I think, that they didn't need to practice, or good time is definitely a song they don't need to practice. I think they know good time.
01:05:21
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Uh, well, four days though, I feel like they, it was kind of in the rotation of me. I should look up the, cause I have the list up, but yeah, it was kind of in the rotation for just a few weeks. That was the thing that it was there. They played it.
01:05:32
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over the course of two weeks, four times, then two times in August. So it was in rotation and playing, it just dropped out of the rotation. It dropped out before I saw them. It's one of the things I think right now where they're at as a band in the summers, I think you kind of got in some ways the best answer, which is you saw them at the beginning of the tour and then towards the end a couple times.
01:05:53
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I think that you're almost better off seeing them like once a month if that was possible than seeing them twice in a week because over the course of a week, it's kind of like, well, again, we've been feel they've been really feeling that batch of songs, which means you then get a somewhat pretty similar set over the course, even though you went to see two different shows.
01:06:13
Speaker
Yeah, that's right. That's right. So this got us thinking and and you know, we don't have too much left of this episode, but this got a lot of us thinking because I don't know when I'll see them again. I've almost reached I don't have it here. I think I think this was show number 19, the last one for me. So I've almost gotten to the 20, which that yeah, I think was 19. So I went and actually figured out what songs I've seen live and I basically knew.
01:06:38
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And it's funny, if you look at my top 10, it's basically the songs that we covered, you know, Rain King, Mr. Jones, Long December. But interestingly enough, making, like, cracking time for the top 10, which St. Robinson, Hard Candy, and Richard Manuel. I've seen all those almost more than half the time. So one thing that we talked about, Chris and I, off, but I don't know his list, is we said now that you've seen them 50 plus times right, and I've seen them almost 20,
01:07:07
Speaker
Are there up to five songs that you've never seen live that you love them to play? And so, Chris, let's start with you. And I'm sure some fans have heard these live, but you haven't, maybe. Yeah, this is a little bit hard. And part of the issue is that, again, seeing those three Wal-Mart shows in 2008, it's a little bit of a cheat on never seen live because they played so many different songs over the course of time. That's true. So my number one that I'd really love to see would be Chelsea. They've only played that a few times.
01:07:37
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I would love to see them play that again if they are going to possibly do a recovering the satellites thing if they were to bring that back. I think that'd be great. It's a song about New York City. In part, it's weird as someone who loves New York City as much as he does that they don't play that song. Part of it's interesting is that
01:08:00
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There are, I don't know, maybe they played a few more times in this, but there's at least three kind of famous versions of Chelsea, at least to me. There's obviously the one at the end of Across a Wire, which is incredible. There's a version where it's used as an alt in Goodnight Elizabeth in 2002, I think. That is maybe my favorite version of Elizabeth, and I really like that song, a lot of those alts, and that's maybe my favorite. And there's also a version when they did the orchestra,
01:08:28
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record, not record, not the orchestra performances of Chelsea, which is beautiful. I would love to see them bring that back. And that would be that's my number one by a wide margin, I think. Did you have another one that you that you had on that list or not really? I'll give you a couple. Give me two more at least. These are a couple of deep ones. And then one, I'll tell you that it's kind of a little bit of a cheat.
01:08:51
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suffocate, which is a very, I mean, that's a very deep cut, but that's from a b-side, not b-side, an outtake from recovering the satellites. That is just a really cool song. And again, they haven't played that live in 25 years. Sunday morning LA.
01:09:06
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from Saturday Night and Sunday mornings. The Apple iTunes exclusive or whatever. Yeah, that's a great song. I don't think they've ever played that one. And here's the one that's a little bit of a cheat, but I really do mean this. I would love to see them play Holiday in Spain with Bluff one time. Oh, okay. I think it's basically a different song at that point, and I would love to see that. I'm guessing that you've seen three, I think I know that you've seen three of the five on my list. One of them I'm not sure, and one I think
01:09:35
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Well, it might be impossible, let me see. So the number one, and this is a song that they play a lot, and it's one of my favorites, and I almost thought I had seen it live, but I definitely have not. I guess my real white whale, oh, by the way, I do have to preface that I think it was the first show, I think, or one of the shows Chris said, what's the one song you never saw live? And I said, oh, it was solved last year, because I always wanted to see 1492. What ends up, I had seen 1492 before and didn't remember, or was drunk.
01:10:01
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or whatever and i can't remember and i was like geez until i did the spreadsheet it was like 10 years i was looking because i was looking at the set list the last time i went to see them in la um which is a long time ago now like 10 years and i was like wait a minute they played mercury on those shows i thought i only saw them play mercury once and i'm like no i'd forgotten that and yeah sometimes it happens it's enough shows and
01:10:23
Speaker
Over long enough years in our brain clearly my number one song that because it's partly because they have they do play it somewhat regularly and they were Supposedly according to Jeff our Harkness they were good They were wanted to bring back on this tour, but they couldn't get it right is all my friends
01:10:39
Speaker
Hmm. I love all my friends. I love them jam. I think seeing it on YouTube when they jam out in the last like two minutes of that song kind of I love it. I love the lyrics. I love everything about that song. I hope I get to see it sometime. My number two, which I want to say, I know a lot of people, if you ask them, you know what they're going to say, they would be like Einstein on the beach because they love that song. It was one of their I don't that is not on my list because I don't think they'll ever play it. So I don't even think about it.
01:11:08
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And they really haven't ever played it except for the couple times. But the one song they did only play for like a couple months, which would be the extra track on films about ghosts. She don't want nobody near. I love that song. And by the way, if we've seen on the Reddit, that's kind of a fan favorite song more than I thought. People love that song.
01:11:26
Speaker
And they don't play it live. And I'm pretty sure I have not seen that one. Because I only saw them a couple of times in 2003. The first time I saw them was 2003. The song wasn't out yet. I saw them again in 2004 and I think they'd already dropped it. So I've never seen them play that either.
01:11:43
Speaker
Yeah, that's a great tune. I'm actually curious how many times I've got the setlist.fm. Check it out. I know they played it a couple times on DZ. Okay, and I think three of those were like TV appearances to promote the greatest hits. So it was like literally only played it because they were on The Today Show or something.
01:12:04
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. There's three TV shows, PBS Soundstage, The China Club in New York, which I'm pretty sure was like a record company thing, and then NBC Studios and Burbank, which I think is the Tonight Show. And then during their winter run, which they used to do in San Francisco and LA, they played it four times. And they have not touched it.
01:12:24
Speaker
Yeah, so you really had four chances to see it. And so I did not. Another one that they play fairly, I don't want to say regularly, but comes up on occasion that I don't know. I want to see live as monkey. I've never seen it live. I've told you, I love the fact that they reference Ben Folds. And then since then, two of the Ben Folds band members are now
01:12:45
Speaker
on the band and Jim actually plays an extra part. When they say Ben Folds, he bangs on the drums really hard and he stares at Millard. I want to see that in person. That's kind of a little thing by me. One that I was wondering if you've seen, which I was trying to think because Saturday Night Sunday mornings was a tour. I really didn't see much. And I've only seen a couple songs and mostly Washington Square, Michelangelo and a little bit come around.
01:13:11
Speaker
I guess I'd really like to see Cowboys. I've never seen that live. I don't know if you have. So they played that a lot when that record came out. So I definitely saw that a bunch of times. Because again, I saw them so much in 2007, 2008. I probably saw them play that a lot. But yeah, that's one that's a great song. And I feel like they've really
01:13:33
Speaker
Again, they've dropped a lot of that record and it would be nice to see some of those songs, I think, come back. Yes. Even occasionally, right? I mean, in terms of guitar songs, especially if you're talking about the place that children in bloom and sometimes recovering the satellites or Miami plays with a guitar solo, I think you could do that with cowboys as well as an alternative choice to be the resting voice one.
01:13:55
Speaker
My only thing about the Cowboys, yeah, you're right, because it does seem like it's really hard to sing, but maybe they can do some other things, and he could change it a little bit to save his voice a little bit. I mean, the studio version, when I hear him sing that, or if you watch the video of the studio version, when I watch it, I'm like, oh my gosh, I think that pained him to sing that. So the last one on my top five songs I never saw, which is only because I missed one of the tours, because time and time again, they played it almost every show of that tour,
01:14:24
Speaker
And the weird thing is, before this happened, I was like, they're never, and in fact, I think before this tour and after the tour, they never played it live. It literally was the one song they never played live except for the one tour. Do you know which one I'm talking about?
01:14:38
Speaker
Why won't you come when I call? Okay, so it's funny because the next thing we were going to talk about is songs that you wish they'd play again. Oh, okay. It's funny that we haven't discussed this. That is one of my all-time favorite songs. Oh, me too, okay. Of theirs. I was so excited when they worked up a version of that with Augustana. I think I got to see them play it three times in a week. Okay, and I did not go to that tour.
01:15:00
Speaker
And then on that, they played it on that tour and then it just totally disappeared. They've never gone back to it. Um, I was actually thinking, you know, with, with dashboard, dashboard's got great singers in it, right? They've got the two because I think one of the things, one of the reasons they did it with Augustana was that Augustana was also a really good at the time harmony band. So they had extra, lots of singers. And I think they feel like they need a lot of voices for that song. And I get it.
01:15:24
Speaker
When they watched Dashboard, I was like, man, I'm thinking about it, but this was kind of a missed opportunity to not do that song with the extra singers from Dashboard, who would probably be awesome backup singers on Why Should You Come When I Call. Yeah, I've always loved that song. It's such an interesting and introspective. Adam has this way sometimes. That song's kind of a little bit about being a dick.
01:15:47
Speaker
with women, but it's also interesting. It's about booty calls, but it's also about asking yourself so many questions about this. Why does this person come? What does that say about me or about them? Should they be doing better? Are we both doing the right? Who knows? And asking those questions, which I think it's a very interesting perspective on something that tends to be written about, and I think in a way that's not that interesting.
01:16:16
Speaker
And I think Adam's written songs about it that aren't nearly as good as that song. Yeah, and also, as you said, great harmonies. And I was going to say something else, but I'll wait until we do the hard candy one. But but I love that song. And it's funny because I could be wrong. But I think going back, you know, 10 years ago when I was looking at songs I wanted to see live and this was before the August stand a tour.
01:16:36
Speaker
and I think I was even writing on the message boards or something like, am I wrong or did they, is this like the one song they have never played live? And I think they never played it live at all until Augustana, Augustana, right? 2008, so at the end of the 2008 tour, which is the one where Bryson and Charlie left early, and Augustana was helping them out a lot, they figured out a version, they played it twice. They played it 12 times the next year on the,
01:17:05
Speaker
on the traveling circus show. And again, I saw three of those accounts there. And then they played it one time in 2010, and that was the last time. And they have not played it since then.
01:17:16
Speaker
And yeah, I agree. They should absolutely bring that song back. Bring that back. You know, I have a feeling that, you know, again, if people will give comments or emails besides the Einstein, which again, a lot of people, it's not even on my list, but because I don't think they'll ever play it. But I know a lot of people have that on their list. And the other one, which they do play on occasion, but very, very, very rarely. And I know a lot of people and I got to see it once. Luckily, I know a lot of people want to see up all night. That's on a lot of people's white whale list, I think that
01:17:45
Speaker
because they haven't played up all night that much in their career. I know that he said that that's a hard one for him to sing some of the notes. I think he said that was one of the reasons he didn't have it more even when his voice was younger, I guess. Yeah, and that's another one they played a little bit more. You know, they played that with Augustana. Yeah.
01:18:04
Speaker
in 2010 and 2008 a little bit. They played it a little, they played it in 2012 a bunch of times. They played it a few times in 2016, but otherwise, again, it's really after they played it sometimes initially, 2003, 2004. Yeah, I saw it in 2008, I guess, with the maroon. Yeah, they played it a few times in 2008, too, at the, I guess, kind of across the tour that time.
01:18:29
Speaker
And I guess that would be one of the times I saw it. Not a lot. I mean, I guess the thing is with Up All Night, if you ask people their top 10 Counting Crow songs and then match those top 10 lists with how often they play those Counting Crow songs, I think that's why Up All Night stand out. I think Up All Night is a lot of hardcore fans, one of their top 10 or top 20 songs, and out of that list,
01:18:56
Speaker
their career, they haven't played it that much. Yeah. Well, and to bring it back to that point I made earlier, that butterfly in reverse, right? I think butterfly in reverse, why should you come when I call up all night? And you could even maybe New Frontier, New Frontier as well. There's all these songs from Hard Candy that have this, I think, unique place in their catalog. They're very just sort of
01:19:23
Speaker
they're very different than the rest of the catalog. And so there's a lot of people who love some of those songs and some more than others, but I think it'd be really cool to see them work in more of those songs more regularly. Feels like a lot of times Hard Candy gets relegated to the title track, Richard Manual, Big Yellow Taxi Miami. And it's kind of like, well, there's, it's a long album actually. And there's a lot of really good songs on there that, and I think they would all, all of those songs would kind of fit
01:19:50
Speaker
in the set list, sort of the same way that Butterfly in Reverse does. That's why I'm sort of like, you could almost rotate if you wanted to, those. And so I think, yeah. Or again, just decide next year you're gonna play up all night for a year, and then after that you're gonna play, why should you come when I call for a year? Right, right. Yeah, I think they might do that. So yeah, it was really tough to me. I guess I'll end with, for me,
01:20:11
Speaker
Um, although there's actually maybe five, but, but, but songs that I heard once and kind of dealt yet that I really, I didn't appreciate and want to hear again, if my number one is actually hanging tree. Hmm. Um,
01:20:27
Speaker
Yeah, we'll talk about this on when we review the video, but but look at the, but they have a live version that you know, on some of the YouTube, I think it's on the Cannon Crows official, but there's also, you know, the Cannon Crows on the YouTube, there's also is it by there's a certain video production company that they have, like, SPC, SPC. Yeah, which is who?
01:20:47
Speaker
used to be like the most prolific counting crows taper and then now works with the band. Okay, so they have a version of hanging tree. It's it's it's so good. I mean, I just I'm blown away and I've seen it so many times so that and another song they just jam out and and Jim is so good in it and Charlie so good. I mean, so yeah, hanging tree if I had a choice of a song that I've heard once that please can you play again, it would be hanging tree. So the one I have there that
01:21:15
Speaker
I've seen them do it more than a couple of times, but mostly as an alt and only once or twice as the song itself would be reigning in Baltimore. I love reigning in Baltimore. They once, I think Bowery Ballroom, maybe there's one other I'm forgetting, but I've seen them play the whole thing. Again, if you're sitting before, you know, um, long December,
01:21:36
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if he was tapping that out. Ooh, and that's another, if Charlie's gonna get used to that accordion, that's another good one. If he's gonna get the positives of using the recording out there. Yeah, I think that's the one, that's the number one on my list in terms of that. I had that in Why Should You Come When I Call. Yeah, I never saw a reading on Baltimore except for in alts or whatever, but I should know this as a podcast host, but on the,
01:22:01
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on the uh august uh live music album you know when they did the did the entire album again isn't there something raining baltimore is is is an alt there it's not by itself right it's an alt around here it's an alt around here yeah okay because that's the one song that they actually didn't do was separate he doesn't play that song a lot separately it's it's very very rare um i'm actually trying to find the list it's not he he played it a lot in 2007 okay that was a thing but then in 2000
01:22:30
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We played a few times in 2008. That's where I saw it a couple of times in 08. The last time he apparently did it by himself was 2011. So yeah, almost like, you know, 12, yeah, over 10 years. So, okay. I will say it's interesting. I was looking as you were talking about the songs that you were, what your sort of ones you want to see or haven't seen. Monkey, I haven't seen since 2006.
01:22:55
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Okay, almost 20 years. Yeah, it's been a long time. I caught that at Jones Beach in 2006. That's another time they'd started bringing that song back and playing it. And all my friends, it had been a while for me too. I caught that one a couple times and again, the late aughts. But that's something, it's been 15 years for a lot of these songs.
01:23:15
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So team all my friends. All right, well, that's it for me. We talked quite a bit. Anything else to add? No, I think it's been a great tour. I think people... I always say with this, with Counting Crows, which is that any time you think the band has kind of stagnated is kind of exactly when things are going to get interesting again. It's something about the nature of the way they play in the stasis where
01:23:43
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you know, they'll sometimes go through these stretches where they're playing a lot of the same stuff or playing, you know, just kind of feeling a certain way, but you're just right around the corner from them going like,
01:23:54
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Oh, we haven't played that one in a while. Screw the, screw the sweet. We're going to, we're going to start playing angels, the silences, children and bloom and you know, ballad of El Godot every night. And there's always, it's, it's always a ride with them and always an interesting roller coaster.
Anticipation for Future Tours
01:24:11
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And, uh, it's always, it's why it stays fun to be a fan of this band is that it never, you know, you'll have, you'll have little stretches where it's the same, but it's, it's never too stagnant for too long and they're always fun things coming. So excited to see what the rest of the tour brings.
01:24:24
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Thank you. Thank you so much. And to the fans out there, I hope you also got to see them at least once and enjoyed the tour. And we'll see what happens next for our favorite band. And we'll be keeping up the date, for example. Do they actually record another suite and release that anytime in the next couple of years? We'll find out. But we'll be following everything down here on Sullivan Street. Thank you, Sullivan Street.
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