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BONUS: Here Goes Nothing for the Future with Toby and Jo Malone
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After a necessary hiatus, Georgia Malone's Here Goes Nothing is back, with a new format but based on the same drive that speaks to Georgia Malone's vision for a legacy defined by the ripples impactful artists can make. Toby and Jo Malone introduce this new era, with hope and optimism.
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Georgia's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/geordiem/
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For enquiries, suggestions, or bookings, email; tobypmalone at gmail dot com.
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Transcript
00:00:04
Speaker
Welcome
Introduction to the Podcast and Hosts
00:00:05
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to Georgia Malone's Here Goes Nothing, an exploration of what is important and vital in the arts, in the words of the artist. My name is
Toby and Jo's Relationship and Impact
00:00:14
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Toby Malone, producer and engineer on Georgia Malone's Here Goes Nothing, joined by the most indomitable, powerful woman I know, co-producer of the podcast and my mum, Jo Malone. Hi, mum.
00:00:26
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Hi, Toby. I'm not too sure about that description, but, you know, i I did have a lot of power over your life and your life choices. So, well yeah, I'll take it. Well, that's true. But ah you're also a fairly powerful person in the world of the arts and ah in the the lives of our family. we We just had a discussion just before we came on to the recording that you were saying, you you shouldn't call me mum, you should call me Jo.
Georgia Malone's Professional Life and Team Dynamics
00:00:49
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And I said, no, I won't be doing that because...
00:00:52
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That just seems strange. And you were saying that Georgia, what were saying about Georgia? Oh, we never, because we worked together so much, you know. we were um we We were the power team, the GM consulting. And so we'd go to meetings and Georgia would be going, well,
00:01:09
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Well, what do you think, Jo? you think we should do that? Okay. Well, Georgia, I think. So it was kind of, yeah, we we kind of got into the rhythm up of it after a while, but it was just really funny. You could see she was struggling initially always to go, Jo.
00:01:26
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but Yes. Well, I'll be calling you mum because everyone will understand what that means. it's fine in this context. Yeah. It's interchangeable. Yes, absolutely. So
Podcast's Purpose and Georgia's Legacy in Arts
00:01:37
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this is a special bonus episode of Georgia Malone's Here Goes Nothing, just a contextual episode to give everyone a sense of what this is going to be going forward.
00:01:47
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So my sister, Georgia Malone, established Here Goes Nothing in late 2024 as a way of ensuring that she had a forum to showcase the people she loved in a field in which she thrived.
00:01:59
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ah Most of you listening will know the painful story of what our family has gone through over the last couple years. Georgie was diagnosed with bowel cancer at the age of 43 and fought a tireless battle with the disease for nearly two years.
00:02:12
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ah When she went through her treatment, a lot of people would lay down and just feel sorry for themselves. She did the exact opposite. She really, she set up projects. She was very fixated on her legacy. She was very interested in making a difference in the world.
00:02:28
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um And she continued to work in arts administration, working at Minderoo, establishing brand new funding models for urban and regional arts around Western Australia, as well as creating this podcast and writing a one-act play.
00:02:40
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So she was driven. She was incredible. She had so much to do. And what was what I found really interesting is she had this incredible um capacity to compartmentalise things.
00:02:53
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um her life. So she never, ever let her illness interfere or um impact on her work at all. When she was at work, she was like 110% at work.
00:03:06
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And when she was dealing with the illness, she focused very much on they fighting the good fight. But
Georgia's Battle with Cancer and Her Vision for Change
00:03:14
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right it always amazed me how whenever I saw her in the workplace or we talked about work or that it was like I thought, how can you?
00:03:23
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it It was really a great skill to be able to to be able to continue working right to the last minute virtually. Extraordinary.
00:03:34
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Yeah. And this podcast has really been a testament to that. ah The fact that she was she could have made a podcast, um which was just her sadly talking about her ah bravery.
00:03:47
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Everyone always talked about how brave you are and and she used to make kind of fun. So brave. So brave. You're so brave. And she so she would always, she would I'm not brave, I'm just doing with doing what I have to do.
00:03:58
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So she could have made it all about her, but she did the did exactly what she always did, which she turned it on lot the light on the people who are actually making things different. and um And this was really what she wanted this to be was to be a catalyst for change, to make a difference in the world.
00:04:19
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Yeah,
Family's Commitment to Georgia's Work and Legacy
00:04:20
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exactly. i feel as though um she said she had so, there was so much more to that she that there was the frust ah frustration that um she wasn't going to be there to do it.
00:04:34
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So it was like her, a her capacity or the way she was saw things and the way she wanted things to change and the work that she was doing was like this was the beginning, this was the catalyst, this was the start.
00:04:50
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And um so we as a family and as her community um have taken it on that there's an opportunity for us or there's an obligation really for us to continue that, to make sure that um we don't lose impetus, we don't lose that impact, that we keep we keep her her legacy going.
00:05:12
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And so that in five years, 10 years' time, we can go, that started with what Georgia... was was in envisaged and now look where we are um if it hadn't been that influence.
00:05:26
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Yeah, you described it as a tsunami of change.
Georgia's Passing and Continuing Her Vision
00:05:28
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and Yeah, yeah, exactly. And we're set you know we seeing that on almost on a daily basis with the work that she was doing.
00:05:37
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So yeah big announcements and things, which is fantastic, is very life-affirming. Yeah. Yeah. And I think there'll be a ah future episode where we talk about Georgia's legacy in more detail. But for today, we just want to give context about what we're doing, because um you may also know, as if you're listening, that in April of 2025, Georgia lost her battle with cancer.
00:06:03
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ah And in her final day, she made it very clear to us that she wanted to see her legacy live on, which included this podcast, in maybe in particularly this podcast, because she loved the opportunity of getting to talk to people and getting to really have a good yarn. And if you haven't
Editing Unreleased Episodes and Honoring Georgia's Style
00:06:17
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listened to all of the previous 10 episodes,
00:06:19
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ah take a chance to go back because she was recording those right up until about two weeks before she died. She, she was recording these episodes and she really gets into it with people. And we can't really expect to replicate that. We're not really trying to make a Georgia light version of it, but, um but we, I know she did want to keep it ah going.
00:06:43
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So, so her Yeah, her her um illness had progressed to the point where she when um i live in Canada and I had come down to Australia to be with the family and found out that she had four more episodes that she'd recorded that she hadn't actually released at that time.
00:07:03
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because she was too ill to do it. And so I said, do you want me to do it for you? And she said, yes. And so I edited ah and produced the last four episodes that are now available, some excellent conversations ah with some wonderful artists like Jeremy Smith and David writing some yeah what wonderful chats in there.
00:07:23
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um and um And, yeah, it was a really important thing for me to take that on and then to take it forward. And so so check out those those episodes as well as the ones that are coming up.
00:07:37
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um Really importantly, though, she shared with us a document that had all of her notes about all of the future episodes she hoped to record. And so ah lots of different artists you plan to talk to in lots of different areas and in in the world and some really curious and interesting ones um ah that that I was really looking forward to hearing Georgia ah conduct. And obviously
Rebranding the Podcast to Honor Georgia
00:08:00
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we don't have that now, but.
00:08:02
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oh we really would look yeah we um We're looking forward to getting a chance to really see through her vision of those episodes. um I ah have rebranded rebranded the podcast, you will have noticed in your feed, that used to be called Here Goes Nothing.
00:08:18
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Now it's called Georgia Malone's Here Goes Nothing because this is ah her vision and we want to continue her vision. And the minute it stops being ah connecting to her vision, then we'll stop.
00:08:29
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um But, yeah, it's central to the the central influence. This is a tribute to the central influence in the lives of so many of of the artists that she had. And so the podcast is going to live on.
00:08:42
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Thankfully. The other thing, too, that we don't talk about, actually, but it's another way of keeping in touch with George, was her Instagram. So georgia Georgia Through Life, where if you want to just catch up and have a laugh, it sort of talks through her apart from her um cooking um for Raze back in the day, but also her journey.
00:09:04
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um and and she yeah and had And a TikTok as well. and Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, so she has an Instagram and TikTok. So I'll make sure I link to those in the in the show notes. Obviously, those are not maintained anymore, so we're not updating those for her. but So they're sort of like um preserved in amber for the future. and Yeah. Yeah.
00:09:24
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So anyway, so the the plan for the podcast is fairly simple. um We're going to maintain Georgia's interview structure and the questions. So if you listen before, you'll notice that she uses a handful of guiding questions to get the guests talking. But ah it's interesting, though, because sometimes ah the interviews start off relatively formal and structured, where the um indeed a guest is is trying to answer the questions in ah in a sort of very formal way, as though they're on a panel or something.
00:09:52
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And then very quickly, it always relaxes into something a lot more informal and chatty. And that's kind of the point. The idea is to bounce off one another and to have a good chat like you might backstage or at an opening night function. So she really wanted to be kind of shop talk between professionals.
00:10:10
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And the idea was always that if she would be one of the professionals in the room. ah But without that available to us, then then we have changes that we had
Upholding Georgia's Interview Style and Approach
00:10:20
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to make. And and so, you know, we're here to to do that.
00:10:23
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um And so the podcast is... Yeah, sorry, go on. I was just going to say, i always think it's it's like those late night conversations, like after the show, when everybody's exhausted and sitting around with a glass of wine and reflecting on what it is they've done, that you know, they're exhausted but but fulfilled and why do we do this? Yeah.
00:10:44
Speaker
Yes, those philosophical conversations at midnight on the on the fire escape at the Blue Room. ah Those are the important ones. that's That's where we really solve everything or in the the festival club or ah or somewhere like that.
00:10:56
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Yeah, yeah. um So, yeah, so it's not really intended to be used to promote a particular event or to to focus on on current events. It's just a chance for a chat with someone else who gets as excited about the arts in the same way as as as you do. So that's the idea.
00:11:13
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So what we don't have, as I've said, is Georgia. um She's left a gaping hole in our lives. um and And so, and in obviously the podcast, she was the the driving force behind the podcast.
00:11:24
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So we thought carefully about what that mean that might mean. um People said to me when I mentioned the podcast was coming back, they said, oh, are you going to host it? And I immediately dismissed that because it's not my podcast. It was Georgia's podcast. And so my voice, I've already...
00:11:38
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been on ah one episode, Mum, you were on a couple of episodes, and I'll do the introductions just sort of to lead in, but but it's ah it's very much Georgia's podcast, and I think yeah the the the rival we had we had growing up ah where ah lots of stories about Georgia getting Christmas presents and then me convincing her that they were mine um ah because I was a terrible child.
00:12:02
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ah I think the last thing... I think the last thing that she would want would be for it to become the Toby Malone show. So that's not going to um ah not going to happen.
00:12:13
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um ah But yeah, and and similarly, I didn't want to put that the burden on mum to have to ah to host each episode because there's a big undertaking to host.
00:12:25
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and that And I think it would shift the tone a lot if it became my me or or you. so um So the idea what we seized on um in the end was to go to the list that Georgia had curated and then to go to those guests and nearly all of them knew that she was they were on her list.
00:12:42
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ah And to say to them, who would you like to interview? So who is important in your life? Who would you have a good yarn with? Who are is ah also geeking out about the stuff that you're geeking out about or who else is in your field? And so it was a really good opportunity to to get um experts talking to experts in this very sort of niche field. And um And so the idea there and we and we also get double bang for a buck because then we get ah two experts talking on a topic ah rather than just one. And so so that's so that's the plan. And and so we and yeah, i it's um and we're not really sure how we'll go because every guest interview will have a different style.
00:13:26
Speaker
But I think that's part of the charm. Yeah, I think I love the idea of just two two people who are just chatting and sharing sharing experiences and, um as you say, geeking out about the same things that they love.
00:13:41
Speaker
And the the the the range of different topics that are in the the list that Georgia left is quite extraordinary. we We won't tell you what they are because, you know, we have to – finally you know get them all lined up and make sure that we're going to get them but it that it is very broad and it really speaks um enormously to the role of the arts in the community and what what what do you classify as the arts you know going from yes you know can go from libraries through to to you know football yeah football games and
00:14:18
Speaker
all of those kinds of things, you know, that where the arts has an influence and impact. So, yeah, so it's it'll be really interesting to get them all together Yeah, and we've given the guest host the guiding questions that Georgia would ask.
00:14:31
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um And that those were fairly sort of fairly simple questions. But she was for her, it was very important to her that ah questions like, what was your first memory and creative moment?
00:14:43
Speaker
Why do you do it if it's not for the money? Because it's never for the money. So why did you commit your career to the arts? ah what What do you think the world or your local community needs more of? What will it do? What are you excited about right now?
00:14:54
Speaker
aren't really general questions, but also really rich questions, questions that really bring ah ah bring a great conversation out. and and And so the idea is not that the guests are trying to fill Georgia's shoes, they're trying to build on her legacy. And that's what we're trying to um And we want to make sure that we get through her list. I think she said these 20 people or however many are the first 20 people I thought of.
00:15:20
Speaker
ah She was able to interview 10. So the least we can do is to complete her list. And then once we get to the end of the list, who knows, maybe more people will come out of the woodwork or people, if you wanted to reach out to us, I'll put our email.
Georgia's Impact on the Arts Community
00:15:33
Speaker
contact contact information in the show notes. um If you wanted to reach out to us with a suggestion of someone or if you yourself think, I'd really like to be on that podcast and I know someone who I'd like to, we're always here for pitches. So absolutely.
00:15:45
Speaker
So, I mean, ultimately though, as I keep saying, this is George's legacy and ah she wrote in her notebook just before she died, she wrote this little note, which is very important to us. And this is kind of the guiding light ah for us. She wrote,
00:16:02
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I want to know have made an impact, that what I have done has had the ripple effect to make change and impact others. I want to have added value to the world and not just live for myself.
00:16:15
Speaker
And that we read that out at George's Memorial in May and the ripple that went through the crowd of people being astonished that she would even think that she didn't have an impact is, it was quite remarkable because everyone was like, what, what do you mean? You're the most most impactful person I know.
00:16:32
Speaker
Um, but it's in, in those grim moments where at the end you, you can doubt can creep in. And so, ah Impact ah is is a hard thing to gauge.
00:16:46
Speaker
And so for her, she was like, have I made an impact? And so the ripple effect ah is what this podcast is going to focus on a little bit now, that legacy of of saying how do how does one artist influence another artist? ah Can we get ah interviews where we have a mentor-mentee kind of set up or colleagues or um veterans or ah neophytes, all sorts of different kinds of people in different kinds of areas approaches to the arts.
00:17:14
Speaker
ah And if they are able to share their stories through this podcast and the other people are able to hear it ah through their podcast app and then reach out and contact, and that's the ripple effect carrying on.
00:17:27
Speaker
We're still trying to make that happen. I think, yeah, and well said, Tobes. um
00:17:35
Speaker
it One of the things Georgia would hate is for us to all wallow and be sad. She just, she's a very pragmatic human being and it was like, just get on with it um and make make things happen as she says, get shit done. Mm-hmm.
00:17:54
Speaker
by um And and this is part of this is part of our process of dealing with the fact that she's not in our lives in the more anymore physically, but she's still very much in everybody's lives.
00:18:05
Speaker
So many people um who talk about her on a daily basis about the impact that she's had on them and what what they're doing to go forward to make those changes, changes in their lives around what's important to them,
00:18:23
Speaker
Why do I, you know, what do I want to do now? All of those kinds of things. It's, it's, um, and it's not something you think about until something like this happens to, ah to your family.
00:18:35
Speaker
um and I don't know that, I mean, she was always, always in the background. She was always about elevating others, always about elevating artists, um, to be the best they could be. She would never wanted to be, um, you know, on the stage and in the spotlight and, um, and, and getting all the attention.
00:18:54
Speaker
But um I think just by um by doing these couple of small things that we can do, um it's still that that that shadow of her will continue.
00:19:07
Speaker
um to make a difference ah going on for many, many years to come. And um I think that's what's important and I think that's what she will appreciate. She doesn't want to start, she wouldn't want stardom or to be stuck on a stage or to be named put in lights, just wants to know that um her work has changed has basically helped the people she cared about and the in the industry that she cares about and that she knows is the basis and the solution to so many of community problems and community issues that can be resolved through um through the arts and either just by um participating or or being an audience in some way but how it in fact, you know, um is part of who we are as ah as a community
00:19:54
Speaker
as a culture, as humans, um the arts are so so important. yeah Yes. Yeah, absolutely.
Irregular Release Schedule and Future Plans
00:20:01
Speaker
so So that's the plan, is that we're going to forge ahead with some recordings that we'll be starting starting to release.
00:20:09
Speaker
The original version of here goes nothing Georgia is releasing on a weekly schedule which is a big challenge trying to maintain a weekly schedule ah she was doing it because she felt a sense of urgency um we no longer have that kind of urgency and so we won't be coming out on a weekly basis just because we'll run out of stuff and we're busy people with doing doing lots of different things and so um And then obviously I'm in Canada, so um I'm on a different time zone. So it it makes it like it a little bit tricky recording with most of our artists are in Perth.
00:20:42
Speaker
um But even so, ah we'll probably be releasing on a monthly or at least maybe an infrequent schedule. But at the same time, we'll be trying to maintain some kind of of consistency over the next few months. So we will be trying to bank a few episodes wherever we can and then uh, release them, uh, periodically. So, so, we, uh, we'll also be making change to the show notes. Georgia had a sub stack that she was using, ah for her show, show notes. Um, I don't have access to that sub stack and I'm sure I could get access to it through Georgia's, uh, sainted husband, uh, John Carter.
00:21:19
Speaker
who ah would very gladly give it to us. But Substack is something that I find a little bit daunting um to to maintain. Just the main the maintenance is is a lot. And so I think we're just going to ah ah reduce a little bit and and contract back into show notes being within the podcast app. So when you ah download the episode on whichever app you're using, you'll see the show notes are embedded into and underneath the description for the episode and you'll be able to see any kind of links.
00:21:49
Speaker
that are there. Georgia was very good about um about updating her substack with some very, very detailed links and notes. um But we're just going to simplify that a little bit. um In terms of future episodes, we have a lot of different topics, like like Mum talked about, comedy, festivals, musical theatre.
00:22:08
Speaker
ah sports, mental health, education. there's lots of different kinds of approaches to the arts, ah but we are always open to suggestions. So if anyone has ah topic that, or ah an artist that they think, of think oh, my my sister is an amazing whatever. um ah we're We're open to things. Obviously, we we we want to make sure that we're maintaining the integrity of what Georgia was trying to do.
00:22:31
Speaker
But um overall, um yeah, this this is supposed to be like continuing to be the catalyst. So
Acknowledging Legacy and Contributors
00:22:39
Speaker
so we're very open to to to to ideas.
00:22:43
Speaker
so that's um So that's the plan. Mum, do you have anything additional No, um not really. Just I think it's great we're doing this and I think George would approve and I'm really looking forward to hearing all these conversations that are coming up. There's some um it really really interesting people in that list and and I'm sure...
00:23:05
Speaker
um Others will come up. Things keep popping up. So, you know, as long as they, once again, as you say, as long as it fits within the vision um and we don't go off track too much and end up talking about <unk> agriculture or something, why not? um um Country arts, why not?
00:23:26
Speaker
Of course, yeah. Yeah. So... Yeah, no, I think it's fantastic and I'm really looking forward to it and I hope everyone hangs in there and and continues to listen. i know a lot of people cherry-pick the episodes and when I talk to people, they go, I listened to this one and I listened to that one.
00:23:42
Speaker
um But and end up but this a lot there's a lot of interesting stuff to come, so um keep listening. Yeah, and we're we're not promising that this this podcast is going to continue indefinitely or for the rest of all time ah because, we again, Georgia was very good at knowing when something has run its course ah or knowing, okay, now it's time to move on. And so she she did that very successfully in her career, moving ah between arts organisations and with her business and things like that.
00:24:15
Speaker
ah If, you know, GM Consulting, which was her business, ah was one of the um casualties of COVID and lockdowns and things like that. And then she she looked at it and went, okay, time to move on, time to do something new and and for for the right reasons. so So if we get to the point where we're not having fun anymore or no one's listening or ah the guests aren't interested in coming on, we'll wind this up. So this may be...
00:24:42
Speaker
maybe 10 more episodes. It may be 200. two hundred We don't know, but um we're determined to keep it going for as long as there's interest and as long as there's content and as long as we're we feel as though we're honouring her memory.
00:24:57
Speaker
Sounds good. Good. Okay. So, yeah. So keep an eye out in this podcast feed for the next episode butre coming out in the next week or two. And then after that, um just make sure you have your notifications on and it will come out. um Maybe it'll be on a regular basis or maybe it will be just whenever ah ah something is available. So we'll we'll see. We'll will ah keep you on your toes.
00:25:22
Speaker
Okay, so I've been Toby Malone. I'm the co-producer of Georgia Malone's Here Goes Nothing. I want to thank my mum, Jo Malone, for being here ah to help me introduce this new phase.
00:25:36
Speaker
Thank you for having me. And we also want to thank our other co-producer, John Carter, who is the owner of George's Intellectual Property and has really endorsed us carrying this on. So thank you, JC.
00:25:51
Speaker
um And yeah, we're we're really glad to have a chance to to continue this work.
00:26:01
Speaker
Thank you for listening to Georgia Malone's Here Goes Nothing. This podcast is dedicated to the enduring, impactful and dynamic memory of Georgia Lindsay Malone.
00:26:12
Speaker
We produce and maintain each episode in Georgia's honour to keep the ripples moving. Georgia Malone's Here Goes Nothing is produced and engineered by Toby Malone with the support of co-producers Joe Malone and John Carter.
00:26:27
Speaker
Original theme music by Lyndon Blue. As for where this podcast is based, let's let Georgia get the last word. This podcast was made on Whadjuk Noongar Budja, a place I'm very privileged to call my home, and I acknowledge and honour all Noongar people that have been making art on this land for tens of thousands of years, and will continue to do so for generations to come.
00:26:49
Speaker
Always was, always will be Aboriginal land. This is the GM Productions Project.