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Day of the Dead (1985)
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This week on the Everything Actioncast, Zach and Chris head into the zombie apocalypse and discuss George A. Romero's Day of the Dead, which just got a new 4-disc 4K release from Scream Factory.
The third film in Romero's zombie franchise, Day of the Dead follows a group surviving in an underground facility in Florida. A group of scientists is studying the dead and trying to find a cure (at least one of them is), while a group of soldiers defends the facility. When the commanding officer, Major Cooper, dies, the sadistic Captain Rhodes (Joseph Pilato) takes over, and things in the shelter quickly go downhill. One of the scientists, Dr. Logan aka Frankenstein (Richard Liberty) has been experimenting on the zombies and has seemingly domesticated a zombie named Bub (Sherman Howard) who shows glimmers of remembering his old, human life. Zach and Chris discuss the clashing philosophies of the different factions, the incredible special effects from Tom Savini, the variety of wacky zombies in the horde, random alligators, and more.
You can watch Day of the Dead in the new 4K release or on Peacock, Tubi, Shudder/AMC+, Pluto TV, and The Roku Channel. Next week, with Supergirl hitting theaters, we're revisiting the original 1984 movie starring Helen Slater.
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Intro
Podcast Introduction
00:00:19
Zach Sheets
Hello and welcome to the Everything Action Cast podcast week of June 15th, 2026. I'm your host, Zach.
00:00:25
Chris Prime
And your co-host Chris.
4K Collector's Edition Discussion
00:00:27
Zach Sheets
And this week we are heading into the zombie apocalypse and talking about Day of the Dead, which just this week got a fancy new 4K collector's edition from Scream Factory. It's a big four-disc set. It's got like lobby cards and all kinds of special features on it. So definitely the best way you you've been able to watch, uh, the other dead, up to this point.
00:00:50
Zach Sheets
Cause there are some, there are various ways of watching this movie as we've discovered rewatching this, right, Chris?
00:00:55
Chris Prime
oh yeah. In a chance of like, how do I want to stream this? And just kind of taking your luck online to see who can give you this movie the most available.
00:01:08
Chris Prime
The fact that like, if you weren't really following the releases well, you can get really confused of the quality of this movie.
00:01:19
Chris Prime
And just the presentation, how you would watch this and Thank God I watched this earlier when it was just like on cable. So you just caught it and it's like, here's just a movie, you know, no, nothing it's just here it is. Enjoy it. If not, whatever.
00:01:36
Chris Prime
But now with the option of the internet of just, oh, how do you want to choose your movie watching experience? It's like, oh, oh no, what's this?
VHS Vault Experience on Tubi
00:01:44
Zach Sheets
Well, yeah's specifically the Tubi version we were talking about before we started recording is apparently it's part of the Shelt Factory's VHS Vault series where they make it look, they basically like give you like the VHS copy streaming to kind of like give you like an old school like viewing experience. But then if you if that's like your first time watching it, you're very confused because there's like tracking across the bottom screen and then it's like the quality is like you're like, is it buffering? Is like internet bad? like What's going on with this?
00:02:13
Chris Prime
And there's nothing that tells you on Tubi that you're watching that version. It's just sort of like whatever it has in its library just here it is. Enjoy the movie.
00:02:26
Zach Sheets
but it it is see it is is surprising everywhere it's on shutter it's on peacock it's on like pluto it's on like pretty much every streaming platform except for like netflix
00:02:27
Chris Prime
But yeah.
00:02:36
Chris Prime
think I think it's free on YouTube through Shout Studios also.
00:02:40
Zach Sheets
yeah
00:02:41
Chris Prime
It's a full movie.
00:02:46
Zach Sheets
So yeah, there's no shortage of places can watch Day of the Dead. And now you can get the big 4K release
Romero's Legacy Beyond Zombies
00:02:51
Zach Sheets
too. But yeah, the third movie in George Romero's iconic Night of the Living Dead series, and apparently his favorite one of the original three,
00:03:07
Chris Prime
of the Dead series?
00:03:08
Zach Sheets
I don't know. It's... I've seen, like, Night of the Living Dead series. I've just seen, like, of the dead. don't know. and don't I'm not sure. Like, people have different ways describing the the franchise.
00:03:21
Chris Prime
And then even Romero's like zombie movies, they they and like he made more. He made more than just these three zombie movies.
00:03:32
Chris Prime
So it's not like oh he only name it's not like like George Lucas where it's like his other star like sci-fi movies and it's like, well, yeah, he did do those, but he has he's known for this.
00:03:43
Zach Sheets
Yeah.
00:03:44
Chris Prime
Romero's known for his zombie movies, but he did do pre-zombie movies early in his career, too, that I have not seen. But I'm interested in like seeing you know other works from him.
00:03:58
Zach Sheets
Yeah, and he did... So Dawn of the Dead was 1978, and then Day of the Dead was
Romero's Works Between Major Films
00:04:03
Zach Sheets
85. And between Dawn of the Dead and this a Day of the Dead, he did Knight Riders, the like crazy...
00:04:10
Zach Sheets
like modern jousting Ed Harris. It's like reis like Renaissance fair people on motorcycles jousting each other. and then Creep...
00:04:19
Chris Prime
That's gotta be crazy. I mean, like, I forget that movie exists, and it's like, where can I watch that one?
00:04:24
Zach Sheets
And Creepshow, obviously, was like we between the two.
00:04:30
Chris Prime
Yeah, and, I mean, I like that during this time, he didn't just make zombie movies, you know? Like, he made other projects he probably supervised, and he wrote stuff. Like, he wrote a lot of scripts and, like, ideas. Yeah.
00:04:45
Zach Sheets
Mm-hmm.
00:04:47
Chris Prime
So i always I always like to credit him with like saying that he always liked to tell like different versions of like human struggle. Just his horror zombies have been his like strengths.
00:05:00
Chris Prime
And Day of the Dead is a different examination of, I guess, humanity at its worst. But then...
Themes of Humanity and Survival
00:05:10
Chris Prime
and don't know, it introduces a lot of concepts and it it kind of gets thrown out the window by the end, but it's like, it sort sort of like sprinkles it in.
00:05:20
Zach Sheets
Well, definitely, it's, i mean, it's smaller scale, id say, than Day the Dead, because Day the Dead was, like, hundreds of zombies in this mall. And then Day the Dead is, like, much more, like, intimate, where it's, like, these, like, dozen characters in this, like, underground facility.
00:05:36
Zach Sheets
And it doesn't really get, like, it doesn't really get, like, huge until the end, where, like, all the zombies come in.
00:05:40
Chris Prime
this is all about the, like, kind of the best parts of Night a Living Dead, where it's that tight quarter space, the phobia of who you can trust, and And then everyone's got different survival ideologies where some people survive because they have hope. Some people survive because it's an order.
00:06:03
Chris Prime
And some people just are just doing their best to follow like the status quo or follow the like power dynamic. And you get different examples of characters that probably are deeper in meaning, but in a surface level is just simple to understand. Where it's like, scientists good, military people bad?
00:06:27
Zach Sheets
I mean, scientists are either there's kind of good, but they're doing horrible things.
00:06:32
Chris Prime
Well, I mean, one scientist is everything everyone else is.
00:06:34
Zach Sheets
Yeah.
00:06:36
Chris Prime
I don't even know what the other scientist was doing. He just seems like...
00:06:39
Zach Sheets
The third guy, Ted or whatever his name is, I just like Fisher.
00:06:42
Chris Prime
Fisher.
00:06:43
Zach Sheets
Yeah, he's like, just like swish kevils between beakers. don't know what I'm doing.
00:06:48
Chris Prime
Yeah, I don't know, like, of the other people, like, the other, so was it Sarah?
00:06:52
Zach Sheets
Yeah.
00:06:53
Chris Prime
She's doing something?
00:06:55
Zach Sheets
she's trying to She's trying to find a cure for the the zombie infection, whatever it is.
00:07:00
Chris Prime
Well, if she is, then she needs to actually stay in the lab, because I don't know what she's doing.
00:07:05
Zach Sheets
she's She's all over the place. we started We started the lab once.
00:07:07
Chris Prime
She's... And then even then, she's not doing lab work, she's just there.
00:07:13
Zach Sheets
think she's like spitting blood around in like a centrifuge.
00:07:17
Chris Prime
like Then it's like, what's Fisher up to? Is he trying to make a cure? he kind of does not mention his research whatsoever. We're doing science here. Okay, what's the science?
00:07:26
Zach Sheets
And
00:07:27
Chris Prime
science
00:07:29
Zach Sheets
then Dr. Logan, a.k.a. Frankenstein, is just, you know, going full mad scientist and chopping zombies up. He's like, hey, look, i I took out all the zombies' organs. He's still like moving around. Isn't that cool?
00:07:42
Chris Prime
It's funny to think that he never showed the research until like this point. and And don't know how long they've been in this bunker together, but I think I think it was like three years.
00:07:54
Zach Sheets
The guy...
00:07:55
Chris Prime
like i think they've spent time there.
00:07:58
Zach Sheets
and like the like The guy before Rhodes took over, Major Cooper, just never asked any questions. He's like, eh, you guys are doing fine. i ahll I'll be worried about my guys. and I won't worry about the scientists.
00:08:08
Chris Prime
Yeah, well, Major Cooper also dropped the ball. Like, there should have been a kind of hint that maybe Cooper was on board with Frankenstein, or or maybe he found out and Frankenstein had to take him out.
00:08:17
Zach Sheets
Mm-hmm.
00:08:20
Chris Prime
So it's like, you know, you're there's like no one's good, at least in that party.
00:08:29
Zach Sheets
Well, this whole, the whole setup is like who, I guess it was like a government program. They like, we need, we need these scientists and these soldiers to protect them to kind of like come up with a cure or like, like work in Florida, like this bunker. but like, who set, like who set that up? Cause like society like already collapsed by time, like Dawn of the dead was like, you know, years before this.
00:08:51
Chris Prime
Well, it's supposed to be what, seven years after Dawn?
00:08:54
Zach Sheets
That's what Wikipedia says. i don't think people are not, I don't think
Zombie Plot and Character Motivations
00:08:56
Zach Sheets
it's like 100% clear, but that's what Wikipedia says.
00:08:58
Chris Prime
Yeah, yeah. They really should have been... Well, they kind of do say that they were talking to malls. This group said that three years ago they talked to the malls.
00:09:08
Zach Sheets
The malls are all closed now.
00:09:10
Chris Prime
Yeah, like the whatever the mainland grid is or maybe just something... They were overrun. Everyone had to go to the mall ideas. So... Uh, I, I do like that little detail cause it, it gives you like a like a clue of what's going on, but doesn't really tell you.
00:09:30
Chris Prime
So you're able to just and like have that information to see if it connects, but not really. It's not like, Oh yeah, we saw like, you know, uh, another helicopter fly by and or it's like, uh, anything from night of living dead.
00:09:43
Zach Sheets
Mm-hmm.
00:09:49
Chris Prime
there's no like returning thing.
00:09:52
Chris Prime
So, I mean, again, I think I saw this movie first in the trilogy. i had no idea about, like, the Night of the Living Dead.
00:10:00
Zach Sheets
Mm-hmm.
00:10:01
Chris Prime
think I saw this, then Dawn, then eventually Night. So...
00:10:05
Zach Sheets
You know, it's weird as, like, Knight kind of seems like... humanity had, like, like by the end the movie, like, we had it kind of under of control. Like, we were, like, like we had giant bonfires full of zombies. Like, it's like, oh, the Red X killed them all. That's, like, they're gone.
00:10:19
Chris Prime
Thank you, Rednecks.
00:10:19
Zach Sheets
But then, like, Dawn Dead, it's like, oh, no, they're all, like, it got worse.
00:10:23
Chris Prime
Well, I think what happened is like they got too cocky that they like dealt with it, and it probably came back way worse because everyone let their guard down. or you know they're just like It'd be funny if we just like wrangle them all up and put them in a like one location, and then they just spread like wildfire.
00:10:33
Zach Sheets
Hmm.
00:10:43
Chris Prime
So it's just like, oh no, they're in the woods and now they're underground. cause I could see humanity having hubris. it's like This movie also is about like hubris. because everyone thinks they are in control, but then, like, whatever is gonna happen found a way.
00:11:02
Chris Prime
But it it it definitely is, like, multiple blame. Like, everyone besides, i don't know, Flyboy and, uh, uh, Bill, like, they they they were just hanging out in their, like, cabin together, you know?
00:11:10
Zach Sheets
Bill.
00:11:16
Chris Prime
They...
00:11:17
Zach Sheets
Yeah, they're like they're like a weird third fashion because you have like you have the so you have the military soldiers and you have the scientists and then like Flyboy and Bill are kind just hanging out like, we don't believe in any of this shit we're you guys are doing. We're just like, like I'll fly the helicopter and that's it.
00:11:31
Zach Sheets
We're going to hang out in our cool trailer that we turned into a tropical kind like tiki bar kind of thing.
00:11:39
Zach Sheets
and just drink brandy from that they found somewhere?
00:11:42
Chris Prime
Well, okay, not to make the Irish actor seem like a token alcoholic, but... Yeah, the they have alcohol that either like they keep scavenging from the like wilderness or whatever, like they keep finding it when they go back into the city or whatever.
00:12:03
Zach Sheets
Well, it seems like the the place that they're, like, so the the top like The top layer of the underground facility is like a like it was like a storage facility for like RVs and boats and cars stuff. So there probably like their pipe was a bunch of stuff just like left behind that they scavenged when they got there.
00:12:21
Zach Sheets
And then then below that is like this research facility, apparently that was there. or yes It was like a it was a document filing storage place because Flyby finds all like the, he's like going through all these like documents of here's all here's all the fire data. Here's all the tax information for these companies. Like here's all it's like.
00:12:41
Zach Sheets
So it was it was it was like it was like a long-term like underground storage facility that they turned like a lab.
00:12:47
Chris Prime
Which I think was like a World War II bunker also. So they were just... It was really like a military facility.
00:12:56
Zach Sheets
yeah i think I think in real life it's actually like it's a mine in
Zombie Variety and Realism
00:12:58
Zach Sheets
Pennsylvania. It's like a wampum mine.
00:13:02
Chris Prime
It's a cool aesthetic.
00:13:03
Zach Sheets
m
00:13:06
Zach Sheets
I love the little... like like Every time you're like in like the cave part, like a bat flies by. noticed that, Chris?
00:13:13
Chris Prime
Yeah, yeah. I don't know if that was like every time they're just releasing bats, or they're just like, run, run, run, and like a bat would come out.
00:13:19
Zach Sheets
I'm sure it's probably just like a... It seems like a fake bat that just like like flew across the screen. Rick and Cotero's running across with like a stick and a bat on it.
00:13:29
Chris Prime
I could see that.
00:13:31
Zach Sheets
Just to be like, hey, we're underground. It's a cave. There's bats here.
00:13:36
Zach Sheets
it also has like the world's strongest fence because there's like hundreds of zombies like pushing on this fence every day, apparently, and they're not getting through we
00:13:43
Chris Prime
I mean, okay, so let's get to the... Okay, what part of... So are we... It's a Florida... Okay, so...
00:13:51
Zach Sheets
Florida-based movie. Yeah.
00:13:54
Chris Prime
It's probably somewhere on the coastline. And then that means it's like hot sun and then strong winds. And these zombies are not rotting fast enough to just be mush. Like they're this movie shows you that the zombies all come in different forms of decay. But there there are obvious zombies that melt it.
00:14:20
Chris Prime
And this horde that is by this base is surprisingly well like sturdy. So they're like they're pushing every day to see if they can get in, but... <unk>re They're also getting in through the cave somehow.
00:14:36
Zach Sheets
Well, i don yeah, don't after getting into the cave, or like they were like letting so they're like lettinging some in so that they can like you know drag them in for their experiment?
00:14:44
Chris Prime
No, no, they're getting to the cave because... When they... Near the end, when they use the same cave exit, it just goes around.
00:14:53
Zach Sheets
Yeah. But any of the ones that get into the cave, they're like capturing them for Frankenstein experiments.
00:15:01
Chris Prime
True, yeah, yeah. They have to like make noise to attract the zombies like further in.
00:15:06
Zach Sheets
They have like the Jurassic Park Velociraptor paddock. They like throw him in like the the like gate thing and but put throw a collar on him.
00:15:17
Chris Prime
So...
00:15:17
Zach Sheets
Which
00:15:18
Chris Prime
Well, like, okay, but so they're rounding up zombies and then they've been doing this for so long, they don't even question what they're doing until this, the start of the movie. They're like, hey, so what are you doing with the zombies? And like, they're just like, blood.
00:15:33
Zach Sheets
Until Rhodes takes over and is like, what the fuck is going on here?
00:15:38
Chris Prime
Which, how did the major Cooper not ask that?
00:15:43
Zach Sheets
like, oh, you're risking my men's lives to capture zombies and drag them down into this lab? or like that's fine That's cool with me.
00:15:54
Zach Sheets
Yeah, see's like Major Cooper just seems like he was like a very lackadaisical dude, just like, whatever. You guys guys just do whatever.
00:16:03
Chris Prime
Yeah, I feel like we're missing and like another part where Frankenstein would have said like, oh, the the major had questions, but then we we found money or something like something to bribe him.
00:16:19
Zach Sheets
o Well, money's probably useless in this world now, it so it's got to be something like booze or some sort of like tangible material thing.
00:16:29
Chris Prime
There's all the zombie meat he can eat.
00:16:29
Zach Sheets
do yeah i do love like Dr. Logan turns like Cooper into experiment. like He like he he's like cuts all of his like face off. and like It's like just his brain is attached to his body.
00:16:43
Chris Prime
think, yeah, just to stimulate the brain, just to see what would happen.
00:16:45
Zach Sheets
who
00:16:47
Chris Prime
I guess. I think it hints that the doctor probably got Cooper killed.
Scientist and Military Dynamics
00:16:57
Chris Prime
and then kept his zombified version alive, and then just gave him, like, a mangled corpse.
00:17:03
Chris Prime
But how mangled was that corpse, and how good was Logan's, like, lie that they're like,
00:17:03
Zach Sheets
Yeah, he he said...
00:17:08
Zach Sheets
And also... ill say like Also, like Logan's like uniform is in his lab, so they didn't bury him in his uniform. like I don't know what they buried him in but it's it's like because It's like, Sarah stumbles across like a jumpsuit that says Logan on it. She's like, oh or cooper she yeah Cooper on it. He's like, Cooper? He's like, oh yeah, this here's the major.
00:17:28
Zach Sheets
Pulls it
00:17:29
Chris Prime
So did he just hand over like a naked corpse and like, oh, he died, you know, like a naked mutilated corpse. And then Logan's just like, that's the major.
00:17:40
Chris Prime
Don't worry that he's definitely not the same height or skin tone or anything, you know, just like you found an exact copy in this cave.
00:17:44
Zach Sheets
Yep. yeah Age,
00:17:50
Chris Prime
See, if anything, she'd been like, oh, Cooper died in an explosion or something.
00:17:56
Zach Sheets
he see He's like, he sent them out to play like, all right, I need to simply find a zombie that looks like Major Cooper. Like, need to find...
00:18:02
Chris Prime
Yeah. Like, that was half the experiment for years.
00:18:04
Zach Sheets
Look for what... yeah
00:18:06
Chris Prime
He's just been trying to find, like, a lookalike.
00:18:09
Zach Sheets
It's very important that you find an old an old an older gentleman that looks like Major Cooper.
00:18:16
Chris Prime
He's to have the same haircut. Because don't forget, they're not cutting hair anymore in this, like... You know, like, the I get that military guys probably just keep it short and trim, but still, like, Cooper... Very specific hairstyle.
00:18:34
Chris Prime
And then that part doesn't come back. Like the the fact that he kept Cooper alive as a like corpse, like a, you know, like, I guess like a experiment doesn't come back to bite him in the ass.
00:18:48
Zach Sheets
I mean, eventually it does like it does because Rhodes eventually finds like his cooler full of, or his freezer full. like He's been using his men as experiments. like like Every time a soldier dies, like he drags them down to their lab and like does something horrible to them.
00:19:04
Chris Prime
But it's not like he he found out that cooler. But I don't think he found... like They didn't go to his lab at all. like They really respected his laboratory.
00:19:12
Zach Sheets
Yeah. Yeah.
00:19:15
Chris Prime
Which is surprising for the villains. You figure they'll have a crash out, kind of declare anarchy, and then it's like, we get to patrol, or... They get more of the... the Stanford prison experiment where it's like because they're now the guards and like they're in charge like they get very aggressive and it's like they become basically like fascist where it's like it's nighttime like go to bed or it's like you know they start rationing their food
00:19:44
Zach Sheets
I mean, Rhodes goes there pretty much immediately.
00:19:47
Chris Prime
yeah but that's like a classic power play it's like oh as soon as you're in charge yeah declare yourself like Tsar of the the cave
00:19:49
Zach Sheets
yeah
00:19:54
Zach Sheets
Like, Sarah won't sit down. He's just like, all right, shooter.
00:19:58
Zach Sheets
Shooter, I'll shoot you.
00:20:02
Zach Sheets
This whole thing was kind of doomed to fail because don't know if a bunch of super competent guys died and this is all that's left, but the troops that are with the soldiers that are part of this program are just the worst redneck, dumb, hick soldiers.
00:20:19
Zach Sheets
You have that like, Steel and Rickles and...
00:20:21
Chris Prime
well Okay, so to be fair to to be fair, this is like Florida men, the army squad.
00:20:23
Zach Sheets
It's probably the Florida National Guard something.
00:20:29
Chris Prime
Yeah, like, I think they just grabbed whoever in Florida just said, can you shoot a gun? Great, you're now like a soldier.
00:20:38
Zach Sheets
regarding this like top secret government project that could like save humanity. It's
00:20:44
Chris Prime
Congratulations.
00:20:46
Zach Sheets
like, is there bigger...
Military Portrayal and Narrative Impact
00:20:48
Chris Prime
Yeah, like I could see that. like you you do That part, I don't even need like an extra conversation. i could I saw this and just like now as as an an adult, after knowing what Florida's like, it's like, yeah, no, this makes sense. These are just the Floridians who just showed up one day just said, okay, I get a gun. Okay.
00:21:07
Zach Sheets
I do love the extra Florida thing too, where like in the opening, there's like an alligator. It's like coming out of a building.
00:21:13
Chris Prime
Yeah, and it, okay, so I like that part because it's never mentioned. it You could definitely tell it was a stunt gator because it's got its mouth tied up still.
00:21:21
Zach Sheets
Yep.
00:21:23
Chris Prime
And then, i don't know if animals in this universe can get zombie problems. Like, did that alligator eat zombies?
00:21:32
Zach Sheets
Yeah, that's what, like, is it a zombie alligator? Is it just, like, an alligator that is, like, running around zombies?
00:21:39
Chris Prime
It's kind of hanging out.
00:21:43
Zach Sheets
Yeah, because cause i don't I don't think in any of the of the Dead series that there's, like, animals that are, like, running around with zombies.
00:21:52
Chris Prime
They never break that rule. Like, you know, it's a very. It's not like the virus mutates.
00:21:55
Zach Sheets
They don't go for Resident Evil.
00:22:00
Chris Prime
mean, OK, this is still we don't know what the the cause is. you know, is it demons? Is it science? Who knows?
00:22:08
Zach Sheets
Aliens. like
00:22:09
Chris Prime
Yeah, aliens. But I bet you the alligator was not part of that plan.
00:22:16
Chris Prime
But yeah, since we I mentioned about like it being Florida, the zombies are not like rotten. like They're able to just like roam the city.
00:22:28
Chris Prime
And then there are a few zombies that their guts are spilling out. They are like decaying. So I'm like, was it depending on where they get bit, they turn into like crazy? Like if someone bit on the foot, you have like so long before your body rots into nothing?
00:22:43
Zach Sheets
or yeah or yeah Or they they like died and like were in a swap for like a while and they came back or something. They're all bloated from swap water. There's such variety to like the type of zombies that are in like the crowd, too.
00:22:57
Zach Sheets
like you If you you keep spotting new crazy zombies, there's a clown, there's a ballerina, there's a football player, there's like a pizza chef.
00:23:04
Chris Prime
fish I saw there's a fisherman.
00:23:05
Zach Sheets
Yeah. Yeah.
00:23:08
Chris Prime
Yeah, it's... That's unlike... Oh, these people have to come from, like, the city and the suburbs that they found their way to the base, that they... I don't know what how much noise they're making at this location where they're attracting this many people.
00:23:24
Zach Sheets
Well, that's because the helicopter's flying They're getting drawn in by the helicopter.
00:23:29
Zach Sheets
Because that's like the only thing that's like really going on outside. They just like land the helicopter and they go underground. so they're not really doing anything like on the surface.
00:23:36
Chris Prime
Oh, I see. Yeah, I guess it's quiet, so they just hear that one noise, and they're like, okay, keep going there.
00:23:47
Zach Sheets
yeah Yeah, just just like spotting new zombies. is such like I think it was just like two different like like like women zombies with like curlers in their hair, think, or something. like just like All kinds of like just like random zombies in the crowd.
00:24:01
Zach Sheets
george George Romero is is is a zombie. it's so At one point, he's got scarf on.
00:24:07
Chris Prime
Was he known for his signature scarf?
00:24:09
Zach Sheets
I think so.
00:24:11
Chris Prime
I kind of remember more in the vest than the glasses era.
00:24:12
Zach Sheets
Like, I think
00:24:15
Zach Sheets
I guess, I mean, that's that's that's how you like distinguish him in this movie, at least. that's like He's like the zombie with the scarf.
00:24:20
Chris Prime
I see.
00:24:22
Zach Sheets
And obviously, the most famous zombie is Bub, we haven't talked about yet, but he's like the icon of this movie.
Introduction of Bub, the Iconic Zombie
00:24:30
Zach Sheets
Although, it is it is, like, if you're watching it the first time, you're like, oh, like Bub's the main character. doesn't show up until, like, or he's not like formally introduced like an hour into the movie.
00:24:40
Chris Prime
Yeah, yeah. It's a lot of just the main humans first. And then it's like, oh, by the way, Bubs, I've domesticated a zombie.
00:24:53
Zach Sheets
Yeah, and like, and Bub, like, he kind of like, it's, he remembers like, kind of like basic things. So he can like, he like picks up a razor and he remembers like, oh, this is for shaving. I'm going I put this on my face.
00:25:06
Zach Sheets
I listen to music.
00:25:09
Chris Prime
He can feel...
00:25:12
Zach Sheets
He apparently like, we they think he was in the military because he he salutes when he sees like Rhodes come into the lab. And he knows how cock a gun and like check for bullets.
00:25:24
Chris Prime
But again, he's like a Florida man himself, so...
00:25:27
Zach Sheets
Yep.
00:25:28
Chris Prime
We we don't know.
00:25:32
Zach Sheets
Yeah, is he a soldier, or was he just like like some sort of like just random Florida guy like wrestling alligators or something? or like a poacher? Yeah.
00:25:44
Zach Sheets
He's one of those, like, was it, like, the gator men, like, that channel show.
00:25:50
Chris Prime
oh man I thought you were going to say the one where it's the python killers where they go to the swamp to kill like pythons to like reduce their numbers.
00:25:57
Zach Sheets
o
00:26:00
Zach Sheets
Yeah.
00:26:01
Zach Sheets
I think it's also iguanas now. There's so many iguanas down there that you can just, like, kill iguanas whenever you want.
00:26:06
Chris Prime
Damn.
00:26:09
Zach Sheets
But yeah, Bub, probably one of the most famous zombies in movie history.
00:26:14
Chris Prime
Yeah, he's definitely unique from the typical, like, mindless zombie, just because this is a humanized zombie that gives off a lot of emotion for, like, a dead character.
00:26:30
Zach Sheets
Mm-hmm.
00:26:31
Chris Prime
And, I don't know, he he did i always think I always thought he was Patrick Kilpatrick.
00:26:38
Chris Prime
And you find out that he's not. He's played by an actor named Sherman Howard.
00:26:43
Zach Sheets
who for some reason his credit is Howard Sherman in the movie. That had to be like a typo or something. It's like, oh, someone someone flipped his name in the credits.
00:26:54
Chris Prime
like i could And apparently, like you know he he's been... He's like a lot of other characters. you know he he he It's funny to think that like one of his best live-action roles is a quiet zombie, but then he's played other voice actors and he's done other live-action stuff since then. but just He's so fucking can recognizable to me.
00:27:20
Chris Prime
If bumped it on the street, I wouldn't know that. Hey, are bubs?
00:27:25
Zach Sheets
He was Lex Luthor on Superboy.
00:27:28
Chris Prime
I did not watch Superboy.
00:27:31
Zach Sheets
The bizarre like early 90s Superman show.
00:27:35
Chris Prime
Yep, did not watch that at all.
00:27:39
Zach Sheets
And he was Blight on Batman Beyond, so that's cool.
00:27:40
Chris Prime
That one I did watch. That's pretty cool.
00:27:45
Zach Sheets
But yeah, so, yeah so they're, so Dr. Frank's eye and like like Dr. Logan's like trying to like, he's got Bub, he's like, I'm super proud Bub, like, look it, we can do this for all of them. We can like get all these zombies in here and make them like domesticated. And it was pretty much everyone's just like, that's that's the worst idea I've ever heard.
00:28:04
Zach Sheets
Like no one is on board with this except for Logan.
00:28:08
Chris Prime
Yep.
00:28:08
Zach Sheets
Because like cause sarah but Sarah wants to cure, Rose just wants to kill all the zombies, and like we said, like bill like Bill and Flybar are just like, we don't believe in anything that's going on here. like We would like leave and go to Tropical Island if we could.
00:28:21
Chris Prime
Yeah, it's the different like dueling, i guess, like ideologies of where they want to go. Like how they want to survive. Like who's got the like better instincts.
00:28:34
Chris Prime
It is funny to think that Flyboy and all those guys, they could just leave. like they're just they're what are they They're not getting paid.
00:28:41
Zach Sheets
yeah
00:28:43
Chris Prime
They could just, like next time they're on a mission, just don't come back.
00:28:47
Chris Prime
But I guess they have honor, so that's good.
00:28:47
Zach Sheets
i i i guess i guess i mean, I guess they're in the like a somewhat secure location. so Like, somewhat for say somewhats safe from the zombies.
00:28:58
Zach Sheets
Even though they're like they're like some of them are getting it into the caves, I guess it's not that that great. But it's better than just like being out and wandering the streets of Florida. wherever.
00:29:10
Chris Prime
Well, yeah, it's like trying to find that final place, like a safe haven. But I mean, they don't want to do
Character Dynamics and Survival Strategies
00:29:16
Chris Prime
it alone. I think like the this movie shows that even like in tough times, it's better to have like numbers.
00:29:27
Chris Prime
But I guess it really depends on the quality, because they had like 15 people. Now dwindled it dwindled really quick over like a week.
00:29:37
Zach Sheets
a couple like like a day or two what this seems like yeah
00:29:42
Chris Prime
I think it's like three days at least.
00:29:45
Zach Sheets
and
00:29:46
Chris Prime
I don't know. Yeah, it's like when the beginning of the movie Sarah has the calendar she stares at and it's like Halloween weekend.
00:29:55
Zach Sheets
it's Yeah, October's fully checked off. And then at the end of the movie, when they're on the island, it's like November, and think it's like November 4th or something. is but She checks X's off, so it's yeah it's been like four days.
00:30:06
Chris Prime
Yeah.
00:30:07
Zach Sheets
Yeah.
00:30:08
Chris Prime
Crazy.
00:30:10
Zach Sheets
yeah think i think things Things start going really bad when like Miguel, who's been just absolutely losing it the entire movie, who is like like Sarah's lover, who lives in the her room with with her but then he's is like of all Of all the people in like this base, like he's the only one that's like it' like really like just like freaking just like losing like losing his mind
00:30:33
Chris Prime
Yeah, it's like, I can't handle it, man. I can't. I can't do this.
00:30:36
Zach Sheets
sobbies yeah
00:30:37
Chris Prime
And then it's like, all right, well, keep doing it making him do more work.
00:30:40
Zach Sheets
make give him Give him the hardest job that you you possibly could, which is, like, corralling the zombies and make sure they don't get loose.
00:30:47
Zach Sheets
and And then, like, one gets loose and, like, kills Gregor Taro and, like, kills, like, another And then Miguel is bitten on the arm and, said like, they have to do, like, a crazy amputation.
00:31:00
Zach Sheets
Like, Sarah's, like, Noah Stations cuts his arm off with a machete.
00:31:06
Chris Prime
Which, i got i don't know, like it's not like proven.
00:31:06
Zach Sheets
And then, like,
00:31:09
Chris Prime
It's not like, alright, if that happens, do it. She just goes, I'm a scientist. I think this would work.
00:31:14
Zach Sheets
I got it quick enough. I got it quick enough before the affection spread.
00:31:18
Zach Sheets
And then I like burn the we burned the shit out of the stump so that it's But that's when like Rhodes is like, alright, you guys, you're done. like We're leaving.
00:31:30
Chris Prime
Which I'm surprised they didn't just like, yeah, we should leave. It's like, no, let's stay. For reasons. I don't know why Rhodes isn't going to like, pack your shit, we're getting out of here.
00:31:42
Chris Prime
But I guess there's nowhere to go. There's not enough like room on the helicopter for everybody.
00:31:48
Zach Sheets
Well, yeah, well, his plan, like, his plan is always, but, like, i think he mentioned it before this part, too, but he's like, um'm um'm I'm going to take all my guys and the helicopter and just leave you all here. Like, you guys just do whatever you want, you like, work with your zombies or whatever, but i I'm taking my guys and leaving.
00:32:04
Zach Sheets
But then the problem is, like, Flyboy is the only person that can fly the helicopter, and he's like, I'm not leaving any, I'm not leaving, like, my friends behind.
00:32:10
Chris Prime
yeah, it's a conundrum because they they should have done that classic logic puzzle where like Rhodes leaves a few men, a few of his men behind and take some of their men and just slowly transport them out.
00:32:23
Chris Prime
But I guess it was like, I hate this place. I hate you guys.
00:32:26
Zach Sheets
Yep.
00:32:28
Zach Sheets
Yeah, he like he blows away Logan because he finds like the the like his guys in the freezer and then like and like also just kills Fisher just like like like like oh, by the way, you're like this guy's dead too. Yeah.
00:32:44
Chris Prime
Well, that was a warning, because when Rhodes leaves, he doesn't need science anymore.
00:32:45
Zach Sheets
Yeah.
00:32:49
Chris Prime
They're just, at that point, just going to go feral, and God knows what they're going to
00:32:49
Zach Sheets
okay
00:32:54
Zach Sheets
That was a was like a flyby scene like earlier where like he's talking to Sarah and he's like, well, I'm good and Bill's good and Logan's good. rest of y'all are dead. like you can just throw kill kill out any of you guys anytime he wants because like you're all expendable.
00:33:09
Chris Prime
See, what a great prep talk, huh?
00:33:11
Zach Sheets
Yep.
00:33:14
Zach Sheets
But yeah, Flyboy is refusing to the helicopter. And then they they they put Sarah and Bill in like the zombie corral thing and they kind of just shoved them out into the cave.
00:33:26
Zach Sheets
So they have to fend for themselves against all the zombies that are out there.
00:33:31
Chris Prime
I mean, we're kind of like, this movie is a slow burn for a good portion.
00:33:35
Zach Sheets
Yeah. Yeah.
00:33:36
Chris Prime
Until basically the beginning of, though at the end of the second act. Where, I mean, right getting to the third act, where it's just like chaos, but leading up to it, it's a lot of talk of you know, what they're doing survival, the topic of religion and like human growth and restarting humanity.
00:33:57
Zach Sheets
Yeah, Flyboy has a big speech about how he thinks this is all like divine intervention or like divine retribution.
00:34:03
Chris Prime
For, you know, like a curse that's put on humanity for living recklessly. And then, you know, it's interesting to see that belief because he's, you know, why are they still here? That, like, left behind sense.
00:34:18
Chris Prime
i I forgot, like, evangelical Christians believe in that? Where it's like, this is the, like, reckoning. This is the rapture.
00:34:28
Zach Sheets
Yep.
00:34:28
Chris Prime
So the dead will walk from just sort of, like, you know, hell is so busy that the dead are walking. But yeah, that guy gets dropped out the window. It's not like at the end, like that none of the, none of the core cast brings us up again.
00:34:47
Chris Prime
If anything, Miguel is the one character that just sort of like becomes the the wild card again. Like the guy that wasn't doing well in the beginning, he doesn't do well in the end.
00:35:00
Zach Sheets
Yeah, because he like... take like... blow like sabotages the elevator, the big like lift elevator that takes you down into like the facility.
00:35:10
Zach Sheets
and then he goes up and lures like unlocks the gate with all like you know all these like hundreds of zombies just waiting around there.
00:35:18
Chris Prime
Oh, he unlocks it. They just push in.
00:35:20
Zach Sheets
Well, I think i think yeah he like like opens unlocks and opens up so they can come in like freely without bash the gate open.
00:35:27
Chris Prime
Oh.
00:35:27
Zach Sheets
And then then he runs back to the helic elevator and kind of lays there like, alright, eat me. then I'll let you all into the the the base
00:35:36
Chris Prime
Because does he know what's going on in the other rooms? Or is he just freaking out just to freak out?
00:35:45
Zach Sheets
Yeah, I don't think he knows that Rhodes is killing people and threatening to leave in the helicopter. I was just like, I'm done. I'm going to kill everyone because my mind is snapped now. mean...
00:36:03
Chris Prime
I thought cared about Sarah.
00:36:05
Zach Sheets
i mean maybe he did before he started losing it because he just like slaps the shit of her in that one scene and then he's just like she's trying to help him by giving him a sedative and he's sleeping and he's just like you bitch like he's just like yeah
00:36:23
Chris Prime
That's true. I mean, he's on edge.
00:36:25
Zach Sheets
yeah
00:36:26
Chris Prime
So then he finally snaps and then, yeah, he just makes it worse.
00:36:32
Zach Sheets
lets the Horde eat him, and then... But then that, like, lets all the zombies into the base, and it's, like, this... The the big, kind of like... dawn now Now it's, like, Dawn of the Dead, where it's just, like, hundreds of zombies just, like, roaming this, like... This building...
00:36:43
Chris Prime
And the movie does have a Dawn of the Dead feel by this point.
Climax and Special Effects
00:36:47
Chris Prime
It's sort of like the payoff of the slow burn tension and then the the drama between every, like, every, like, faction, I guess.
00:36:59
Chris Prime
And then it just culminates into just, like, wacky hijinks of all the military guys running and gunning as best as they could.
00:37:05
Zach Sheets
and
00:37:08
Zach Sheets
and and
00:37:08
Chris Prime
Wait, wait, wait. Then, then like what, like Sarah and Bill, they have like a different movie fight in their, their version.
00:37:14
Zach Sheets
okay
00:37:18
Chris Prime
It like becomes kind of like they're fighting, like a haunted house zombies.
00:37:25
Zach Sheets
Yeah, because they're in the dark cave. They have like a shovel, and they're just kind of running into the darkness. And then Flyboy... bunch of the guys like go and investigate the elevator, so Rhodes left like one guy.
00:37:39
Zach Sheets
then Flyboy takes them both out and steals Rhodes' double revolvers. And then Flyboy's running through like the mines of double revolvers, like like an action hero.
00:37:49
Chris Prime
Yeah, but okay. I don't know why he doesn't kill Rhodes. I think it's like he thinks like it's not worth it or that like he doesn't want be like Rhodes.
00:38:01
Zach Sheets
Yeah, something. i yeah like Maybe he'd get eaten by zombies? I don't know
00:38:06
Chris Prime
Well, he has like a moment of hesitation. He goes, a like he's got a pain look that I think he just goes, okay, well, not worth the bullet.
00:38:14
Zach Sheets
Even though you just saw him like gun a man down in cold blood?
00:38:16
Chris Prime
Mm-hmm.
00:38:19
Zach Sheets
Yeah, yeah he yeah yeah he just like he's running through the mines just blasting zombies. du Like, dual-willing pistols.
00:38:26
Chris Prime
Yeah, for a guy that was very, you know, pacifist, I guess, he can still kick it. He can still, like, get into action.
00:38:38
Zach Sheets
And they find like like a different way out of the like the mines. There's like a ladder. like An elevator is like broken, but they find like a ladder they can climb out and get to... like It's like a passageway that gets to the helicopter.
00:38:50
Zach Sheets
And yeah, and then everyone and everyone everyone else is getting is like horrifically eaten by zomb like zombies. which some Some of the top-tier Tom Saviti special effects...
00:39:00
Chris Prime
Yeah, the, just, like, the the ripping of the skin and then just the, like, the right amount of gore. Like, nothing, nothing is over the, I mean, it's all over the top, but...
00:39:13
Zach Sheets
Okay.
00:39:14
Chris Prime
It's appropriate. It's like, it's been a while since we've seen zombies biting and munching on people, so when this happens, it's like all the parts of the middle of the movie that didn't have this.
00:39:26
Chris Prime
It's also like, you're making these extras put globs of probably corn syrup, like, beef in their mouth, like...
00:39:36
Zach Sheets
like Well, I guess i mean we get to Rhodes, but like like that that scene is like apparently was like real intestines, real blood. like And apparently it was like it rotted in the refrigerator, so it was like horrible smelling.
00:39:49
Chris Prime
Oh, God.
00:39:51
Chris Prime
mean, thank God now you've got like more modern-day props. Back then, I know you're kind of keeping on a budget and just having animal organs was cheap.
00:40:01
Zach Sheets
Yeah, they used real pig intestines for all the gore seeds.
00:40:04
Chris Prime
i make That makes sense.
00:40:11
Zach Sheets
But yeah, I mean, there's there's some... great like like yeah people like It's like like someone's getting their head ripped off, and they're like it's like it's... You can barely tell when like it's like the actor's head and then the practical head. like The switch is like imperceptible, and then the actor's screaming at the stay entire time.
00:40:27
Zach Sheets
And it's...
00:40:28
Chris Prime
Yeah, that scene, I think the actor who's who's being his head ripped off was played by Greg Nicotero.
00:40:28
Zach Sheets
it's was Was that him? Yeah.
00:40:37
Chris Prime
I think that was him. It was the one who was like screaming and then like as his head's being ripped off, like you hear the Learnix being teared, so it's like high-pitched squeal.
00:40:49
Zach Sheets
Yeah, it's like and it's like, obviously there's like a switch to like a practical like like a mechanical head, but you can you can't tell when it's switched.
00:40:57
Chris Prime
I think, like, he probably stuck down, yeah.
00:40:59
Zach Sheets
Duck down or something. Yeah.
00:41:01
Chris Prime
And then the torso was probably, like, a puppet. And then just the arms were flailing at the top. And then the head was probably another puppet, like, a mechanical, like, servo, probably battery-powered.
00:41:13
Zach Sheets
Mm-hmm.
00:41:14
Chris Prime
And they just, like, pulled it apart with, like, then you see the latex in the guts. Again, it it's... The visuals aren't realistic by today's standards, and it's not over-the-top gory.
00:41:27
Chris Prime
However, it's efficient. it It doesn't need the most realistic gut effect. You know, it doesn't look like a Saw movie where it's like, oh my god, it's so slow and painful. This is simple, but it seems so visceral.
00:41:42
Chris Prime
Again, Saw was moving when I was so young. No parental guidance there. But I understood what happens when someone's head gets ripped off. I was like, oh. wow But the thing is, the the the one thing it skips is that like no spinal cord. Just like head and then like your li your throat. that was it That's all that got pulled off.
00:42:02
Zach Sheets
Yeah. And I think was it i think was w Rickles that gets his, like like like, the top of his eye ripped like partner or like his eye ripped off. it like the the like The skin from like under his eye and then up to like the scalp gets ripped off.
00:42:11
Chris Prime
Ooh. Yeah.
00:42:16
Chris Prime
Yeah, like peeled like a fruit.
00:42:17
Zach Sheets
Yeah.
00:42:18
Chris Prime
So gruesome. But I don't know. Like that... that depiction is also very gross. And the fact that they do it on like, I think the actor's face, like the fact that it like that is hard, like to, to make it look like there's no distinction.
00:42:30
Zach Sheets
Mm-hmm.
00:42:33
Chris Prime
There's no, uh, like, okay, that's obviously like a putty makeup.
00:42:38
Zach Sheets
makeup, yeah.
00:42:39
Chris Prime
Yeah. That worked really well. Like, i don't know how they did that one.
00:42:44
Chris Prime
Uh, Yeah, and I don't know, like I feel like some of these soldiers were just sort of like wild, rowdy guys, but it's not like they got they all deserve this, right?
00:42:56
Chris Prime
mean, Steel, yes.
00:42:57
Zach Sheets
Yeah, Steel was an asshole. Rickles kind of just seemed like he was like Steel's sidekick. like He was his little minion. Yeah.
00:43:06
Chris Prime
I mean, there was also other guys that died throughout this whole weak
00:43:11
Zach Sheets
Yeah.
00:43:12
Chris Prime
and Just by accidents or whatever, and we never get to know them. They're just like other guys.
00:43:17
Zach Sheets
like's like There's like three other guys that just get like murdered off screen or like murdered like super quickly.
00:43:24
Chris Prime
But yeah, it shows that like even these like military training guys, they're like unprepared for the actual zombies that are at their doorsteps.
00:43:34
Zach Sheets
And I was in an... And Rhodes like shows his true colors by just like abandoning everyone and like fleeing for himself.
00:43:40
Chris Prime
Yeah, if he doesn't have the advantage right there, he' just, like, bails out.
00:43:46
Zach Sheets
on his golf cart.
00:43:48
Chris Prime
Which has enough speed to, like, hit a zombie and, like, make it spin.
00:43:51
Zach Sheets
Knock it, yeah, knock it off, flying off the side.
00:43:56
Zach Sheets
But then, yeah, but then we get the great, like, like, Bubb,
00:44:00
Zach Sheets
You Bub finds Dr. Logan and is like is like like, you know, feels some sort of like, you know sadness or like, because he was like his his teacher. And then he if he finds like the gun, he finds a gun. It's loaded this time.
00:44:12
Zach Sheets
then he's like, then he's like hunting down roads.
00:44:16
Zach Sheets
And actually it gets like, it's like shoots him up a couple of times. Like he actually like gets it gets his aim back. He remembers how to aim.
00:44:25
Chris Prime
I actually remember this was I thought at the end he actually nicks him but yeah like the fact that he actually is able to land shots and chase him around as was pretty cool.
00:44:36
Chris Prime
See I think like Logan was right you just gotta train the zombie to humanize him but They still want to kill? They just don't want to eat?
00:44:47
Zach Sheets
Well, but I mean, Bubba's still eating like you know flesh or whatever.
00:44:48
Chris Prime
Well, yeah. like He was getting reward.
00:44:51
Zach Sheets
Yeah.
00:44:52
Zach Sheets
And then probably one of the best deaths in zombie movie history, like Rhodes getting like torn apart by like hundreds of zombies. Yeah.
00:45:01
Chris Prime
And his last words are just choke on it.
00:45:03
Zach Sheets
Choke on it. Yeah. And also, like, the like apparently Bubb remembers sarcasm because he like does like the sarcastic salute to him. It's like, it's the same as he eats him.
00:45:13
Zach Sheets
But yeah it's yeah, just like a classic, like kids like, his bottom torso gets ripped off and then like they're like eating his intestines. and and then Which was, you know, parodied in Shaun the Dead.
00:45:25
Chris Prime
Yeah, I think some people who didn't watch a lot of zombie movies thought that was pre-original, and then it's like, okay, you gotta know that Shaun of the Dead is just sleep was basically the accumulation of all the zombie movies up until that point.
00:45:41
Zach Sheets
Every zombie movie. The
00:45:45
Chris Prime
I recognized that death. i was like, oh, that's that's cool that they played Homage. I saw Shaun of the Dead in theaters, and I was like pointing at the screen. i was like, yeah!
00:45:55
Zach Sheets
Leonardo DiCaprio style.
00:45:58
Chris Prime
They're like, oh, oh, oh!
00:46:00
Zach Sheets
I recognize that. I know that reference.
00:46:05
Zach Sheets
And then, yeah, and then we we but then we don't know what happened to Bob, but he I guess he's he's just wandering in the lab, or maybe he found his way out and he's just wandering around.
00:46:14
Chris Prime
Yeah, I like not knowing. Probably know he runs that facility now or he's still listening to more patriotic music.
00:46:29
Chris Prime
Maybe he's continuing Logan's experiment.
00:46:32
Chris Prime
Maybe he's, i don't know, reanimating the dead. Probably not.
00:46:38
Zach Sheets
Well, they had they had a... The Walking Dead had, like, a Bub character in, like, the the fourth season, apparently.
00:46:47
Chris Prime
I it's just a dude.
00:46:47
Zach Sheets
it was like it was like it wass like It was clearly supposed to be, like, it was, like, the same clothing and everything, so was supposed be like this, like, hey, you know, it's Bub.
00:46:56
Chris Prime
Did that character live?
00:46:56
Zach Sheets
i i't don't... I mean, I don't think he was, like, yeah as friendly as Bub. I think he was, like, just, like, a walker, but, like, it was like like clearly supposed to be a walker that looks like Bub.
00:47:05
Chris Prime
I
Final Escape and Thematic Reflection
00:47:05
Zach Sheets
And then, uh, yeah, then, so like, Flyboy and Bill and Sarah end up on a tropical island, and they're you know, hanging out there.
00:47:16
Chris Prime
Well, I like that Sarah, there was like a whole, like, I guess.
00:47:21
Zach Sheets
her weird nightmares. there's like There's, like, three, like, nightmare jump scares, like, like like smash cuts.
00:47:26
Chris Prime
Yeah.
00:47:26
Zach Sheets
Yeah.
00:47:27
Chris Prime
But I think her nightmare actually happened. It's like what they did when they left. It just wasn't an easy struggle either.
00:47:35
Zach Sheets
That'd how bizarre would it be if like the entire movie was just like a nightmare Sarah had on the tropical islands? It's like, wow, that a crazy dream.
00:47:44
Chris Prime
Well, I mean, from this, I feel like the the most of the dreams are just things that actually are happening. you know like So she's still traumatized from the truth. So yeah, the movie is all a dream, but the dream is actually what real like really happened.
00:47:54
Zach Sheets
I mean, yeah. Except for like a wall full of zombie arms reaching out and trying to grab her.
00:48:02
Chris Prime
Yeah, not if you there's like some covers of the movie or like images that just show that, and it does not depict the movie. That looks like Evil Dead. like That is such an Evil Dead reference.
00:48:15
Zach Sheets
and that was what's her her other nightmares like i think it's is it like like miguel is like like cut open and like all his guts spill out or something yeah
00:48:21
Chris Prime
Yep, his guts fall out. Yeah.
00:48:24
Chris Prime
So, you know, like, some parts are cool, some parts are just... Her nightmare is also, like, either they're isolating or they are horror movies.
00:48:39
Chris Prime
We still don't know what she does besides science.
00:48:43
Zach Sheets
she's trying to find a cure and apparently she never did because there's however many more movies in the series
00:48:46
Chris Prime
Well, they... It's one of those things where they chose to just run away and just live on their own. Like, don't don't try to help.
00:48:54
Zach Sheets
yeah
00:48:56
Chris Prime
Don't try to make it worse. Just survive without trying to include, I guess, like, more people. Like, this is another classic Romero where the people are the problem.
00:49:08
Chris Prime
And so leaving zombies alone was the better solution.
00:49:12
Chris Prime
And they just can't live with the fact that they're zombies. Like, everyone's trying to do something about the zombies. But they also don't mobilize well. I feel like the facility was pretty secure if they just, I don't know, stopped doing weird experiments.
00:49:30
Chris Prime
And also, was it was Dr. Logan fact-checked? It was just like, I'm a doctor. it's like, alright, he's got the coat, so just let him do science.
00:49:38
Zach Sheets
it's yeah Yeah, he's got a lab coat. He's
00:49:44
Zach Sheets
just some weird guy who's like, I want to cover up some bodies. Yeah.
00:49:49
Chris Prime
He said he wants to do it. Let him do it.
00:49:53
Zach Sheets
what What happens if poke this brain here? Ooh.
00:49:56
Chris Prime
Yeah, he didn't like that.
00:49:59
Zach Sheets
If I take this this nerve and attach this nerve, basically is this like it's like, he's just like cutting things open and just messing around stuff. It's like taking all the organs out and like, oh, he's still he's still moving. That's cool. It's like, oh, look, this guy's only a brain. He's still moving. That's cool.
00:50:16
Chris Prime
I mean, Logan's like whole big thing was, what if I treated the zombie like a son? What if I like nurtured it? Because the thing that I guess like his dad didn't do for him... Because he does mention that he has like father issues. he's Like, oh, my father was a doctor. He never said I'd be a great like doctor or scientist like him, but here I am.
00:50:37
Zach Sheets
Yeah, doesn't Sarah also find like a weird tape of like him like and guess it' sort of like like we' living some sort of like childhood trauma of like his mother or something?
00:50:45
Chris Prime
Yeah. And then I think it's supposed to be that that like during these like experiments, he just has like freak outs.
00:50:58
Chris Prime
So he's taking out his like aggression or whatever on the the dead.
00:51:04
Chris Prime
you know, that's normal.
00:51:08
Zach Sheets
But yeah, so then it was like, i mean, see, it was how many, it was 20 years until the next entry in the franchise, Land of the Dead.
00:51:17
Chris Prime
I get that they are trying to show the progression of the world. I do like Land the Dead now. i don't think I was a big fan of it when I first saw it, but I like that in the story of humanity kind of doing the same thing again, where it's like, oh you always get the same kind of people rising to power, and then they're doing crazy, like...
00:51:42
Chris Prime
things that keep in power and somehow make money. Like, because that is a lot.
00:51:50
Zach Sheets
in And that movie we definitely continued like the smart zombie evolution because you have Big Daddy who's like able to like do tactics and like have like have his like zombies like use weapons and stuff.
00:52:02
Chris Prime
They don't quite explain how does that but again, another downside about the smart zombies are is that like, The zombie just sort of like realizes they can be smart. There's no like it takes a drug or over the years of survival, the zombies evolved.
00:52:20
Chris Prime
You know, they're just like one day that zombie realized it could chop.
00:52:25
Zach Sheets
and then And then that was kind of like the end, that was kind of like the the last one in like the timeline, because then like Diary and Survivor were like prequels to everything.
00:52:33
Chris Prime
I gotta revisit those to see if I still like them. Like, I was an okay fan of them. Watched them on early Netflix streaming. when Or like, even, think, OG Netflix, when you could just rent them.
00:52:46
Zach Sheets
Yeah, hmm.
00:52:48
Chris Prime
I'm more in the like, okay, if you want classic Romero, I don't want modern stuff. But in the modern era, they're not terrible for zombie things, you know? it could be a lot worse.
00:53:00
Chris Prime
And there are a lot more war of zombie movies out there.
00:53:03
Zach Sheets
Yeah.
00:53:04
Zach Sheets
And i think like Twilight the Dead is the upcoming kind of like finale of the entire franchise. It's like like George Romero got a treatment before he died and they're kind of like finishing it up and going to be like the big kind of like final chapter.
00:53:21
Chris Prime
said they're about Final Destination, but who knows?
00:53:27
Zach Sheets
Yeah, Kate Beckinsale's going to star in it.
00:53:30
Chris Prime
It's just Underworld again.
00:53:31
Zach Sheets
Well, it was going to be Milo Jovovich, which is like a weird...
00:53:37
Zach Sheets
And
00:53:41
Chris Prime
Yeah, they figure that you want to separate that.
00:53:47
Zach Sheets
then Day the Dead was like its own mini-franchise. There a remake, there was
00:53:54
Zach Sheets
unofficial sequel. There's a TV show.
00:53:58
Chris Prime
I saw the TV show is still bizarre that they they have like one it was a thing it wasn't just like some net like you don't know online web exclusive you know it's like this premiered
00:54:13
Zach Sheets
Yeah, it was a sci-fi show. it it was on like 2021 apparently and no one no one mentioned it or watched it.
00:54:20
Chris Prime
It was still the pandemic, but crazy.
00:54:24
Zach Sheets
And it was like Steve Kostansky who did like Psycho Goreman and the new Deathstalker movie. Like apparently was like the director on that show. Yeah.
00:54:34
Chris Prime
Does he know he was on it? Like,
00:54:38
Zach Sheets
I did what?
00:54:43
Chris Prime
I gotta stop drinking. I accidentally directed a TV show.
00:54:48
Zach Sheets
Yeah, Day the Dead Bloodline, which is like one
00:54:52
Zach Sheets
remakes. There's Day of the Dead 2008 and there's Day the Dead Bloodline. guess Rames Rhodes in the 2008 movie. Mm-hmm.
00:55:00
Zach Sheets
i guess i guess vig rams is is the is rhoads and the yeah the two and eight movie
00:55:06
Chris Prime
Yeah, if i don't think he gets his comeuppance. I think he's just there.
00:55:10
Chris Prime
Because it's not the same Rhodes. It's just a guy named Rhodes. I think I did see that one.
00:55:17
Zach Sheets
It's interesting too, like, Rick and Rames is in like two George Romero remakes.
00:55:23
Chris Prime
He'll act. I mean, he was in Arby's commercials, so...
00:55:25
Zach Sheets
He's the voice of Arby's, yeah.
00:55:29
Zach Sheets
Yeah, I think the 2008 movie, I think it's like extremely, extremely loose remake.
00:55:35
Chris Prime
I don't know. feel like remake has to say remake and it's just sort of like, okay, we wanted the title. Just say that. don't know. Just call another movie.
00:55:45
Zach Sheets
like it's like it's it's like It's a bunch of teens and they and like stumble into like this like research facility.
00:55:49
Chris Prime
Like Lab.
00:55:51
Zach Sheets
This
00:55:52
Chris Prime
Yeah, that's why I kind of remembered. And then like Vin Rain shows up and he's like, hey, this is under like our jurisdiction.
00:55:57
Zach Sheets
is a government project. Get out of here.
00:56:01
Chris Prime
We have the zombies.
00:56:02
Zach Sheets
ye This is impossible mission. I've got to hack these zombies.
00:56:09
Zach Sheets
But yeah, Day of the Dead, it's still one of one of the best zombie movies. i mean in Special effects-wise, some of Tom Savini's best work.
00:56:18
Chris Prime
Yeah, it's a very like simple zombie premise. Anytime they kind of venture into like one territory, it brings it back to just basic human survival or primal things about like humanity that like even during a crisis... it it could You know what I mean? like this This movie could have been during an alien invasion. This movie could have been about time travel.
00:56:41
Chris Prime
This movie could have been about... mutant vegetables. like it It's very like universal of what like people would do to survive and then that kind of chaos.
00:56:47
Zach Sheets
and
00:56:54
Chris Prime
But that doesn't help that you have mad scientist like like in your midst.
00:56:59
Zach Sheets
You have mad scientist and a crazy like psychotic like army colonel or army captain who's supposed to kill everybody. So it's like, oh, what what side do you you want to be on?
00:57:11
Chris Prime
Decide with all the guns or you want to be right. You want to do science.
00:57:18
Zach Sheets
you want like If you get killed, you might end up as like Dr. Logan's experiment. So that's that's fun.
00:57:22
Chris Prime
I mean, yeah, i feel like Logan just sort of like, oh, you're all fodder to him. And then as soon as they kind of like more and more unravel like who he is, it's like, oh, no, he's crazy.
00:57:34
Zach Sheets
He just hides it slightly more better than like Rose. Rose is just like outwardly psychotic.
00:57:40
Chris Prime
Yeah, it's a good character study of like these people of power who like underneath it all are just, like I don't know, mad driven mad.
00:57:52
Chris Prime
But Rose's true colors come out when basically he's got the pressure and he doesn't have his dual pistols.
00:57:59
Zach Sheets
yeah There's like his Samson hair. like He loses his dual revolvers. He has nothing.
00:58:08
Chris Prime
Yeah. But least Logan, he kind of stood by his weird so mad science principle. You know, like, it's like, hey, I don't know.
00:58:14
Zach Sheets
nice
00:58:15
Chris Prime
Hey, guys, come on. Don't get mad at me. Don't look at my freezer. We checking each other's freezers now?
00:58:20
Zach Sheets
Look at Bub. Bub's success.
00:58:25
Chris Prime
That's one zombie out of how many?
00:58:27
Zach Sheets
One down, millions to go.
00:58:30
Zach Sheets
We just gotta grab one zombie time and just treat them super nice and then eventually they'll all be friendly like Bob.
00:58:37
Chris Prime
We will tame Florida one zomb one Floridian zombie at a time.
00:58:41
Zach Sheets
Yep.
00:58:44
Zach Sheets
We can reopen Disney World have them work there.
00:58:47
Zach Sheets
But yes, I think that'll do it for this week's episode. you know Check out that the new 4K if you want crystal clear, Day the Dead, or watch it on almost every streaming platform.
00:59:01
Zach Sheets
And come back next week, we're talking about the na the original Supergirl movie, because obviously we're getting Supergirl in theaters, the new DC Universe entry.
00:59:13
Zach Sheets
But we're going jump back and talk about the Helen Slater version.
00:59:18
Zach Sheets
And I had to say we got all the other stuff there. We got news, reviews, trailers. I got a review of Disclosure Day, the new Steven Spielberg movie. You can check that out. And a bunch of big trailers. We got a new Spider-Man Brand New Day trailer that's up a site. So check all that stuff out.
00:59:33
Zach Sheets
And yeah, so for Chris, I'm Zach. And we will see you next week.