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Episode 26 - HOLIDAY SPECIAL! (with Victoria & Sara)
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DO YOU KNOW what your significant other or non-artist friends THINK & FEEL about your art, your craft, or your passion? Do they find it intersting because we do? Do they feel the special pull of hand made objects like we do? Do they find themselves passionate by proxy, or do they think we're just weird?
Join us for a special HOLIDAY EPISODE where we hear from the significant others Victoria & Sara and hear about HOW THEY SEE THE MAKER WORLD. We also have some fun TRIVIA CHALLENGES between the girls seeing how much they have learned by Osmosis, followed by the sexiest ad read ever. It's a joyful and fun episode for all!
To watch the YOUTUBE VIDEO of this episode and the irreverent & somewhat unpredictable AFTERSHOW, subscribe to our Patreon: http://patreon.com/user?u=91688467
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Introduction to the Holiday Episode
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Welcome on, welcome all to a special holiday episode of Woodworking is Bullshit. Much like the holiday variety specials that you grew up with, we're going to do something really special today.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I'm your host, Paul Jasper, woodworker at night, scientist by day. And I'm joined with my two excellent, amazing, fabulous co-host, Eric Curtis, fine furniture maker and content creator, and Mary Tsai.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
Thank you.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
UX designer by day, contemporary, woodworker by night. Mary, did you notice I didn't mispronounce your name this episode?
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Mary
Yeah, I was gonna say, it's probably the first time you haven't been like, say!
Unique Episode Format and Guests
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I was trying to be nice, but I was trying to be nice because I did want to say, say you okay.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
Sorry, can you give that to us one more time?
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Mary
You're welcome to do whatever you want.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Don't tell him that. All right. So you may, you may not know this, but it's, we decided to do a special holiday episode where we threw all the rules out and we're going to have two very special guests on today, episode, not one, two.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Okay. First of all, the first guest is sitting next to me and boy, we're going to need marriage counseling after this. It is my wife, Victoria, crunchy, Roni, Jasper.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
Woo!
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah. and sitting next yeah jasper farms ontag jasper farms on instagram And sitting next to Eric is his partner, Sarah.
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Mary
Jasper Farms.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
te fit Of Jasper Farms fame, yeah.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
Thank you Paul.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Welcome, Sarah.
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Mary
yay
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
So we thought it might be fun to have Sarah and Vicky on because well, we've only had woodworkers and other artists and it would we thought it'd be fun to have our significant others on because they can give a different perspective.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Like we're all like indoctrinated that woodworking is so cool. We all love it. But do people outside of woodworking love it? Do people that have to put up with us love it?
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
How do
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E 🎅 & S🤶
Reality check.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Exactly, Sarah.
Insights from Significant Others
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
How do other people feel and especially people that live with us about what we do? So we thought it'd be fun to have them on the episode. Welcome to Vicki and Sarah. And we're going to jump into it. We're going to start by trying to understand what their experience is, you know, existing with us.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And I mean, trust me, they are forced into a lot of what we're getting conversations and people and parties that they eat, breathe and sleep at, unfortunately.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
this
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And we thought we we'd start with a serious segment, asking them what their experience is like. And then ah later on in the show, we'll get to more controversial topics, let's say.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
but first First, I have to say that I'm very surprised that this podcast could afford Sarah and I on the show. Our demands are very high.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
Well, we did, yeah. Yeah. it was we We drained the budget, yeah.
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Mary
We saved up all year.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
but
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
So thank you to our patrons for supporting us to be able to afford these ladies. All right, ladies, let's let's start. Let's go. yeah So we always start this show with questions and the questions ah The questions for today are gonna revolve around your your view of k craft and how you feel. So I'll start ahll start by asking, what do you girls think is the hardest part of the craft, say like what we do from the outside looking
Challenges in Woodworking Relationships
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
in? Sarah, let's start with you. What do you think from your perspective is something you've seen Eric do or or others that you think is like, wow, that's really hard. I don't know yeah how I would handle that.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
who, uh, I would say time management, because I see him all the time. He's like, I'm working on this project and that project. And I ask him every day what's going on. And then he has a hundred things going on for that project. And I'm like, how do you keep track of all of those things and like multiple projects at a time? So it's called caffeine and alcohol.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
mostly
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
ah
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E 🎅 & S🤶
That's interesting. That's not an answer that i would have I would have thought you would have had.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
ah yeah I didn't expect that either.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
Yeah, that is an interesting one though. and she like you there's constantly the question of like, how are you doing? Like, how was your day?
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E 🎅 & S🤶
How are you feeling? And he always says, Oh, this is what I have to do today. And I'm like, Yes, love, I know you're busy. But how are you?
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Hahaha.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
There's no but like, and that's getting at the heart of the question, right of of We are obsessive people, I think, by nature. And you observe us being obsessive people.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
And that's it's just an interesting answer to to think about, that that's the thing that sticks out to you most as the difficult thing, when to me, it's like, I feel like the, who's the kid in, up well, I guess he didn't hold on to balloons, but a person dangling from a string just like hanging onto the thing.
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Mary
Oh, the little chubby Asian kid?
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E 🎅 & S🤶
The little chubby Asian kid.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
only mary can get away at saying yeah
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E 🎅 & S🤶
Yes, Mary.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
Well, anyway, Vicki, what do you think?
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okay
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E 🎅 & S🤶
What's what's your observation?
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so So I have to say that Paul is incredibly talented and it's very rare that I see him um struggle or get tripped up with something or be truly like s bothered by something. But I will say just as his partner, i don't I don't like to see him struggle. I don't like to see him stuck and I don't like to see him. It's very rare because the people that you work with and the customers that you design for and build for are usually really They contribute a lot. They're great sort of partners. Every once in a while you might get stuck or you might maybe be clashing with what the other person is thinking. And and I don't like to watch you struggle with that, I guess is my answer. I don't like to watch you get stuck or be frustrated.
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And it's usually, what do I get stuck more on the the um juggling of tasks like Eric or is it more about the design? I think it's ah it's mostly with very specific design requests that maybe you don't agree with or maybe you can't conceptualize and you get stuck and you get a little fixing. I had that a customer asked for a family seal to be burned on their beautiful box. I mean, this box was gorgeous. The seal they gave me looked like it ah was out of a Garfield can cartoon. It looks so dumb. And i I did a reverse image search on it.
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and I found out it was just a form, it wasn't authentic. Like it was just computer generated and there were hundreds of ah that exact template floating around the internet.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
Yeah. Like a template.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
Yeah.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
So the question became like the customer took great pride in that seal, but how do I tell the customer it looks stupid and goofy and it's non-authentic and because I don't want to hurt any feelings.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
Yeah.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
So that was a real, that was that was like a real careful moment.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
But that's, that's
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E 🎅 & S🤶
That's an interesting human struggle though, right? Because like you could you could have been a sociopath or an asshole and just been like, hey, this thing's fake and I'm not gonna do it. um But like you recognize the the emotional weight of that conversation and you know like and it's a friend.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
like You don't wanna damage that relationship.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah, yeah.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
So I can, I mean, you know we talk about, all things under the sun, you know, on on the phone and in text. And I could I can see you struggling.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
And I remember you struggling with that. That it was just like, a how do I navigate this, like very human moment?
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Right, right.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
That's a hard thing.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah and it's like person when it's your name like there's Dale Carnegie in how to win friends and influence people taught us all there is nothing more sacred or more valuable than a person's name like that is the sweetest word in every in any language to a person so like you're talking about a seal for their last name and so the gravity was not lost on me okay uh
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E 🎅 & S🤶
Hmm.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
Yeah.
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Mary
Did you tell them?
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I did because she's my friend. I said, you know, I'm sorry. It turns out I fat i did a reverse image search and I found the same seal all over the internet. I'm sorry if that, you know, is upsetting.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And I said,
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Mary
Your ancestral family seal that you have on every item you own.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
He did it in a really gentle way. He did. He did it in a very gentle way. I had to do it. She's my friend. I had to tell her the truth. Her dad just gave this to her, and she was like, oh, OK, family seal. Anyway, she didn't like it at first, but then she's like, you know what? That's kind of bullshit. And she pivoted to a new seal that her brother was using for their wedding invitations. That is beautiful.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
It's got laurel leaves and it's floral and it's got the last name. It's, it's beautiful. And we wound up using that and they were so happy in the end. So who ah Mary, I was with you. I was like, let it ride.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
like just let it ride
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Mary
I yeah, I was I don't know if I'd be willing to sacrifice that friendship.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
ah ah book Just avoid confrontation.
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Mary
it's like I don't know ah
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Well, I think I made it stronger in the end. There was a tense, it was a touch and go for a hot minute there. Right. All right. Second question.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
Well...
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
We'll start with Vicki first. Vicki, what do you think about wood as a material?
Discovering and Appreciating Woodworking
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I have to say my, what, 14, 15 years with you has really taught me to appreciate wood as a medium. i'm I'm not kidding you. Like I remember when we first started dating and you lived in this house and I remember like none of the trim in this house, this is over a hundred year old house, none of the trim had been paid painted.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And I remember when I came in, I was thinking like, I'm gonna paint all this white. um and And like, you really have taught me to appreciate like, don't touch these things. These are like you know, they should be preserved.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
You really do make me appreciate and notice wood and, and, you know, because we we we cannot go anywhere without you examining the table that we're eating at or the chairs we're sitting in or the, the wood on the floor.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
So I have had no choice. I'm a, I'm a prisoner of the wood.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
See, that's, that's, I, I, prisoner of one, a hundred percent.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I like that. I like the way that sounds.
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Mary
that's the That's the show title, Prisoner of Wood.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I am a prisoner of the wood. Eric, is that our next t-shirt?
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E 🎅 & S🤶
I, a guaranteed, guaranteed.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Sarah, how do you feel about being a prisoner of wood?
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E 🎅 & S🤶
I haven't been a prisoner for as long as Vicky has, but, uh, well, I think I need to backtrack a little bit because I didn't. So when I.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
saw Eric for the first time. He wasn't a woodworker to me. He was ah on a Netflix show. I don't know if you guys have heard about it.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
And he was a carpenter on it.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Wait, what? No, I'm just kidding.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
So, and then only after I'd watched the show and started talking to him, I realized that he made fine furniture, right? So um before I had met him, I had no idea about wood. I didn't pay attention to wood as a material. but um As Vicky said, you basically have to...
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
you
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E 🎅 & S🤶
I started to pay attention because wherever I go with Eric, he points stuff out about furniture. ah And I gotta to say, I think that wood is so interesting.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
I've never paid attention to any of the grain or how stuff is assembled and how many different kinds of joinery there is. And now I know all this stuff.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
And even when I'm alone now, I kind of notice things and it's been very exciting. I've made a few things myself, which was interesting.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Oh my.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
yeah It's a nice material to work with. So, I'm still learning though. Listening to both of you talk about how neither Paul nor I can go literally anywhere without like deeply examining and then like verbally explaining what's happening with wood.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
nope
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E 🎅 & S🤶
Like, are we a little spectra me? Like what?
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
ah Well.
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Mary
Yeah, are you kidding me? Of course.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I mean, yes.
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Mary
I have zero doubt.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I mean, the answer is not no. I can't help it. Mary, how do you feel? I'm going to go a little off script. We're going to get off Vicky and Sarah for a moment. um Mary, how do you feel about what is immaterial?
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Tell us. Tell us.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
You probably didn't expect me to ask you this.
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Mary
but
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E 🎅 & S🤶
Are you are you a prisoner of wood, Mary?
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
No, she's not a, she's not a prisoner of wood. She's a warden of wood. Oh, she's the warden.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
so Oh, that, Mary, that is another form of income for you.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah, because she's like, it's a voluntary situation.
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Mary
That's a new handle.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Mary, Mary, actually, in particular, do you find like being from the architectural right and needing precision?
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E 🎅 & S🤶
Let's.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Do you find what frustrating because it's always moving and and not agreeing because it's fucking plant cells? Or do you like as you know, concrete and steel are going to be more or less straight and will will do what you expect?
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Do you find what to be frustrating from that point of view? How do you feel?
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Mary
ah I mean, I like wood obviously, otherwise I wouldn't be a woodworker. um But I don't find wood that frustrating. I think that it was fun to learn about its quirks and how to work with it. ah Obviously, most people have to go through the learning curve of understanding like movement, expansion, everything. And there's always a project at the beginning of your career where you're like, yeah, that was a huge mistake. And I never considered wood to move. And I remember the specific project for me. But um I mean, that's why I like mixing materials in a lot of my projects, whether it's wooden metal, wooden, you know, acrylic or glass or, you know, color, etc. I think that
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Mary
wood is really nice. And I enjoy working with it. I think that it complements other materials really well, because it's such a warm material. If you talk about things like glass and concrete and steel, those are really cold and really hard and wood on the ah on the other side is I mean, it's not soft, but it is softer and brings a warmth to you know, that compliment.
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Mary
So, I don't know. I don't remember what your question was, but in general, love would.
Creative Woodworking Ideas and Products
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E 🎅 & S🤶
I believe his question was, how do you feel about me opening a new Instagram account called the warden of wood?
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Mary
Warden of Wood, you're welcome to do that because I definitely prefer that over the other one you have for me.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
That's now yeah the wood duck dress.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
The of wood.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Mary, I have to say, you are you are you you are a badass like woman woodworker, so you certainly give the rest of us a good name.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
I regret nothing.
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Mary
Aw, thanks.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
Agreed.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I'm happy to be in your prison of wood.
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Mary
That's amazing!
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Well, Vicki, now that you're a prisoner in Mary's prisoner of wood, behind bars.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
no
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E 🎅 & S🤶
i can I can see the t-shirt happening in my head.
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Mary
Behind wooden bars!
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
okay
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E 🎅 & S🤶
With mary Mary with the key just outside.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah.
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Mary
This is so weird!
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E 🎅 & S🤶
but
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
ah Oh my God. This took a turn. That did take a turn. So, uh, give it, let's say you're in wood jail now. Yeah. Uh, and you have to make something out of wood.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
What type, if you had to be a woodworker, if I said no more your regular job, okay, okay you have to be a woodworker starting tomorrow. What would you make? I would make super high end chicken cooks.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I'm talking wallpaper.
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Mary
Yes, yes, oh my gosh.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I'm talking balconies.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
A wallpaper? yeah
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I'm talking gazebos. I'm talking, arbors, like top of the line celebrity. Why why would you do that?
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Mary
You would totally make a killing with that. I know so many people who, yeah.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
Oh, absolutely.
00:16:05
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Thank you. uh why because that's my chicken joke that's my fire chicken i was elbowing her i was elbowing her under the table i'm like why why because yeah that's what i would do super high end i'm talking wallpaper you know what if you did that i bet you'd have a shitload of orders yeah
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E 🎅 & S🤶
Oh my Jesus.
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Mary
Yes, for sure.
00:16:29
E 🎅 & S🤶
100% 100% that I want I want to know a price point here.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Like that is a viable income stream. Like minimum cost $10,000.
00:16:35
E 🎅 & S🤶
Like, what are we talking?
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Like minimum.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
cloud Stacks for for a coop.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah.
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Mary
They can be expensive.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
Okay, wallpaper.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah. Yep.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
Now, you talk are we bringing in like lounge chairs?
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yep.
00:16:43
E 🎅 & S🤶
Like, what are we doing? Like, how's it? What's the intake?
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
We're doing bespoke wallpaper.
00:16:45
E 🎅 & S🤶
Give me give me a decoration. Okay.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
We're doing flooring. We're doing picture framed. You know those oldie time, what do they call it? Oh, like silhouettes of a chicken?
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E 🎅 & S🤶
Chicken. Oh, yes.
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Mary
Oh.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Silhouette of your chickens hanging on the wall, grand staircases.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
Yes. Sexy, sexy chicken silhouettes. Yes.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Oh, like a spiral staircase up to the roosting bars?
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E 🎅 & S🤶
100%. Yes.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
This guy's the limit, folks.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
Oh, I'm not going to lie.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Come on.
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Mary
That's true.
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Mary
I had a, I had a few.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I can't give it all away for free.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
I kind of want you to build this. but
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Mary
I had some friends like send me links to chicken coops cause they were trying, they're like, are these good quality?
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
No.
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Mary
I was like, I don't know. It's the internet. It's all flat pack.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
I love.
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Mary
Like, I don't know.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
I love that everything made out of wood.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
If it ain't Jasper Farms, it ain't quality.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
People are just like, ah is this good quality? Do you think you could build this?
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Mary
Yeah, how am I supposed to know?
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
tell um Send them to me. For those that don't know, Vicki and I have about, what is it, seven chickens right now?
00:17:31
E 🎅 & S🤶
Oh, man.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
We had seven, now we have six.
00:17:36
E 🎅 & S🤶
Oh, we learned.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
We have six, yeah.
00:17:37
E 🎅 & S🤶
Wasn't it last episode where we learned it was it cost $60 an egg for you?
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Oh, by the time you figure out all their food and stuff? Yeah, yeah, it's a great deal.
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E 🎅 & S🤶
That's you bougie bitches.
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Mary
And now it's 75.
00:17:47
E 🎅 & S🤶
You bougie Massachusetts assholes.
00:17:47
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
They're so bougie. Yeah, really. Um, before we go to what Sarah is going to make, Sarah, collect your thoughts here. Um, I just want to say, I think that would actually totally work as a business, not a doubt in my mind that that would sell.
00:18:04
E 🎅 & S🤶
100%.
00:18:04
Mary
For sure.
00:18:05
E 🎅 & S🤶
You get you get one or two viral ah videos on the internet.
00:18:08
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah.
00:18:09
E 🎅 & S🤶
Done.
00:18:10
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
All right, Sarah. There we go.
00:18:12
E 🎅 & S🤶
What do you got?
00:18:12
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
You're a woodworker tomorrow.
00:18:12
E 🎅 & S🤶
Well, first of all, I got a question. What are chicken coops?
00:18:17
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Oh, excellent question.
00:18:18
E 🎅 & S🤶
Listen, guys, my first language is not English. ah So it's that's fair.
00:18:21
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Fair enough. So the coop is where people who keep chickens, that's the coop is where they live. So they roost at night inside.
00:18:30
E 🎅 & S🤶
Not the people, the chickens.
00:18:31
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Not the people, not the people who keep chickens.
00:18:32
E 🎅 & S🤶
Thanks for clarification.
00:18:34
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
No, no, no, not the people, the chickens.
00:18:34
E 🎅 & S🤶
Yes.
00:18:35
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
So that you build like a little house for them and they live in the house.
00:18:35
E 🎅 & S🤶
Okay. It's a chicken house. Yeah.
00:18:39
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And then they, in the daytime they come out and they go and they either free range or they stay in their little pen.
00:18:40
E 🎅 & S🤶
Okay.
00:18:44
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
But at night they go up into their little chicken house.
00:18:46
E 🎅 & S🤶
Okay. so Well, now I know, I just didn't know the word for it.
00:18:48
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
All right, Sarah, I'd like you to give the first sentence of your answer in your native language.
00:18:49
E 🎅 & S🤶
Yeah. Okay.
00:18:52
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yes, please. Go ahead.
00:18:55
E 🎅 & S🤶
Okay, as so if I were a woodworker there, yeah and <unk>er box and martinfifalo pun ringer I Oh, and you bought a box?
00:19:06
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Okay, so.
00:19:09
E 🎅 & S🤶
Yeah.
00:19:10
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Wow. That sounds way better than I imagined. I heard boxes and I heard Altoids. That's all I heard.
00:19:17
E 🎅 & S🤶
Altoids? Ah, pop, I don't know. I don't think you know what an Altoid is, do you? It's like a painkiller? No, no, no, no, it's a mint.
00:19:24
Mary
It's like a mint.
00:19:24
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
It's a breath mint.
00:19:25
E 🎅 & S🤶
Oh, I didn't know that. Okay. Well, yes.
00:19:27
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
All right, Sarah, for the rest of us who aren't cultured, please.
00:19:32
E 🎅 & S🤶
um I think I would make ah engagement ring boxes.
00:19:36
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Aw.
00:19:37
E 🎅 & S🤶
Oh, that's that's a business opportunity, right?
00:19:40
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
You'd never go out of business.
00:19:40
E 🎅 & S🤶
Yeah.
00:19:41
Mary
People do that for sure, yeah.
00:19:42
E 🎅 & S🤶
I know 100%.
00:19:43
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
i've I've made several. I've made several.
00:19:44
E 🎅 & S🤶
I was gonna say like, like to get married at least or multiple times.
00:19:47
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Dude, Sarah,
00:19:49
E 🎅 & S🤶
like get mary
00:19:51
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Sarah, that is like one of the most intense emotional get like things you can make for a customer because the guy or the guy or it could you know, a girl, it's for me, it's it's only been men so far.
00:19:55
E 🎅 & S🤶
Yeah. I know.
00:20:03
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I haven't made that many ends like two or three. But they are so excited for this moment, right? The I mean, And that adds pressure to the project by by proxy.
00:20:16
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
They don't put the pressure on you, but you know, like this is a moment. You got to get this right.
00:20:20
E 🎅 & S🤶
It's a big moment. yeah i know but but so ah Imagine like you have your type of wood collection, Paul, but and you've got you can bang out a thing like a stadia box that's been altered to fit an engagement ring.
00:20:22
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
You want it to look right.
00:20:29
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah.
00:20:35
E 🎅 & S🤶
Because like that form, like that could be special in and of itself.
00:20:35
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Right.
00:20:38
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
That's true.
00:20:38
E 🎅 & S🤶
And then you're just batching those out on the CNC with eight quarter material. You're banging them out out of you know, ah maple burls and walnut burls and they're they're beautiful and gorgeous. And maybe the the customization you're offering is, you know, a monogrammed brass letter like the the dumb bullshit that just like ups the the cost exponentially, but it's literally no extra work for you because you're just punching a file on the CNC.
00:20:57
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah.
00:21:03
E 🎅 & S🤶
Like that's, that's a legitimate business idea.
00:21:03
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Right.
00:21:06
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah. I mean, if, if, if you're into the production mentality, absolutely.
00:21:06
E 🎅 & S🤶
Yeah, I think.
00:21:09
E 🎅 & S🤶
Yeah.
00:21:10
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Go ahead, Sarah.
00:21:12
E 🎅 & S🤶
You know, I just wanted to say I think I'm way better at making small things rather than the huge cabinets that Eric sometimes makes.
00:21:18
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Hmm.
00:21:19
E 🎅 & S🤶
I'm like, how do you even handle that? So...
00:21:23
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And Sarah, why did you gravitate towards that particular thing? Is it because you know like that's a very emotional, fulfilling item? like Why did you pick that of all items?
00:21:33
E 🎅 & S🤶
Paul, I just love love. Oh man.
00:21:36
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Aww.
00:21:37
E 🎅 & S🤶
Honestly.
00:21:38
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
That's such a good answer.
00:21:39
E 🎅 & S🤶
Honestly.
00:21:39
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
She loves love and I love chickens.
00:21:42
E 🎅 & S🤶
yeah
00:21:45
E 🎅 & S🤶
I love love as much as Vicky loves chicken.
00:21:48
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
There you go.
00:21:49
E 🎅 & S🤶
Oh, Christ.
00:21:50
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
All right. All right. Next question. um So obviously your answers have to do with like k craft and Vicki, you're making like personalized chicken coops and Sarah, you're making love, love boxes.
Value of Handmade Items
00:22:03
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
and So what value do handmade objects like, you know, we talk about Eric and me and Mary, we talk about the value of handmade objects all the time and why they're special, why they're different, like one-off heirloom type. What do you see as the value? Like how do handmade one-off items impact you personally? Like what do you think? Sarah, why don't you start first?
00:22:30
E 🎅 & S🤶
Yeah, um so I didn't grow up with any like handmade one-of-a-kind objects around me. We always had like basic IKEA furniture at home and so I didn't know this kind of, these kind of objects until I really met Eric. So he has made me a bunch of things, boxes and cutting boards and spoons and those are my favorite objects now obviously because he made them but I also got to see like the process or I know what goes into it and they hold a special place in my heart. um Yeah. So have you encountered handmade objects in other so like
00:23:27
E 🎅 & S🤶
I know you know lots of other woodworkers, obviously, but other crafts people or artists in other media have you encountered their work, even if you don't own it, but like come across their work and seen it in a different way since you have a deeper understanding now of the the intense processes that go into actually making an object by hand.
00:23:56
E 🎅 & S🤶
Absolutely. Like now, when I'm at friends' houses or your friends' houses and I see those all of those self-made objects, I have an understanding of ah how much planning goes into it, how much time it takes to do those things, how difficult it is maybe to get over like errors or mistakes. I never even thought about this earlier, like, you might have problems along the way, and then you have to solve them. And then there is this end product of all of that process. So ah yes, I do see it in a different light when I see handmade objects now. Absolutely.
00:24:35
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
but yeah how do you feel that handmade object so i A lot of what Sarah said resonated with me, but I have to say one thing I've learned is I feel like I've been with you for the inception of copper pig.
00:24:49
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
So yeah, no yeah i mean I think you would need maybe a stool.
00:24:49
E 🎅 & S🤶
Mmm.
00:24:53
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Oh, you were there way before that. Yeah. So, so one thing that I have learned along the way is oh he used to ask me in the beginning, what should I price this at?
00:25:02
E 🎅 & S🤶
Mmm.
00:25:05
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And I would hate when he asked me that because I would just sort of take it at face value, like whatever I was looking at, and I always underpriced it.
00:25:16
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And then it caused him to be like, what do you mean? I'm not going to sell it for that. And like i then I was in trouble.
00:25:20
E 🎅 & S🤶
Mmm.
00:25:22
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
and my going and so But I have to say, i have I have watched him every day put his heart and soul and energy into making things and I see firsthand how much goes into something. So now I feel pretty comfortable when you say, what do you think I should price this out? I feel like I'm you're there i'm in the ballpark of what you want to sell for. yeah yeah and i just I have such an appreciation for the effort and the amount of work that goes into it and the energy and the and the and the in just the planning and even Mary, like i I follow you on Instagram and I watch the things you make.
00:25:58
E 🎅 & S🤶
Mmhmm.
00:26:06
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
and and i just It's an energy and a love and ah and a pureness that goes into it that like I don't know, like how do you put a dollar amount on that?
00:26:19
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
But I see the beautiful outcomes of the things that you're you are making, or Eric is making, or Paul is making, and it's like, I don't know, sometimes sometimes when it actually does sell, I think like, wow, that person got a deal.
00:26:33
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Like if they only knew what went into this, like behind the scenes, you know?
00:26:36
E 🎅 & S🤶
Well, that's uh-huh.
00:26:36
Mary
If you asked any woodworker, they'd be like, a million dollars, obviously.
00:26:40
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah, exactly, right, right.
00:26:41
E 🎅 & S🤶
Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly.
00:26:43
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Like, I don't know, Mary, if it's the way you shoot your videos or something, it's it's different than what I see from Eric or from Paul, the aesthetic of it.
00:26:44
E 🎅 & S🤶
um
00:26:51
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I don't know, it's very, I don't know, it's very rich and lux and I don't know, it's, I don't know, other, well, it works.
00:26:58
Mary
There's a, I do it on purpose. i've I've gotten this comment a lot, but the the the the like aesthetic I try to go for that I see a lot in non-worldworking videos that I like is like a romanticism about the craft.
00:27:03
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
sir
00:27:11
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yes.
00:27:12
Mary
And that's what I want to come across in the video.
00:27:13
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yes. Absolutely. And as somebody who watches it, You know, I have the perspective of watching Paul every day and, you know, obviously I follow Eric and I and i follow a lot of the people that Paul and Eric are friendly with and and you included.
00:27:26
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And there's just like a difference or like a richness or a purity into like the videos that you shoot. So it's definitely like, i if you just showed me the video, I could say that was Mary's.
00:27:34
Mary
Aww.
00:27:39
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Oh, wow.
00:27:40
Mary
ah Yes, that's my goal.
00:27:40
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Mary, you got a fan here. Yeah, I'm a fan girl.
00:27:43
E 🎅 & S🤶
Honestly, so it's Vicky, my question was going to be, um has watching Paul evolve and in having a deeper understanding of what it takes to make an object by hand influenced the way that you see other ah like you go to a craft fair and you see like somebody selling a mug for $100 and like 10 years ago, you'd been like, Why the fuck would I buy a mug mug for $100?
00:28:01
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah. Yeah. I know.
00:28:08
E 🎅 & S🤶
and now you can appreciate it, but it also sounds like interestingly, I didn't expect it to go there, that that same, I'm assuming the answer is yes. ah That same concept has kind of applied to seeing Mary's content online and understanding like watching Paul's content, watching my content and seeing the difference of the the attention to detail that Mary's putting in that like,
00:28:35
E 🎅 & S🤶
maybe Paul doesn't care about and I don't have the time to care about.
Craft Fair Experiences and Mentorship
00:28:39
E 🎅 & S🤶
and And like, well, I mean, listen, I don't think Paul would be offended if I spoke for both of us when I said like, it's better than ours.
00:28:39
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
It's just a different aesthetic. it's not it's not that It's not a matter of caring or not caring, but yeah.
00:28:49
E 🎅 & S🤶
Because like, again, like Paul, Paul doesn't get Paul again, i'm so I'm gonna speak for you, buddy. But Paul cares about the object and doesn't give a fuck about the the content or the video or the photograph.
00:28:55
Mary
Can I get that as a sound clip?
00:28:57
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Right?
00:29:01
E 🎅 & S🤶
And I have to care about all of it. So I care about none of it too greatly besides the object, right?
00:29:06
Mary
Yeah.
00:29:07
E 🎅 & S🤶
The object is the goal. Everything else is just a vehicle to allow myself the time to make the object where Mary cares more. And I'm going to speak for you too, Mary, but tell me to fuck off if you have to.
00:29:16
Mary
ah Thanks.
00:29:17
E 🎅 & S🤶
ah Mary, Mary cares deeply about the visual story that's being told as well.
00:29:23
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yep.
00:29:23
E 🎅 & S🤶
And I think that's the thing that comes across in her content that Paul and I lack.
00:29:24
Mary
Yeah.
00:29:27
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yep.
00:29:27
E 🎅 & S🤶
And it seems like what you're saying is even just watching Paul make a box and spend 60 hours you know with an object that's no bigger than 12 by 12, that attention to detail can even translate outside of physical objects into videography and cinematography.
00:29:49
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
So what I wanna say is a blanket statement of like, art is art. So like a box, ah ah the Hobbit bookshelf that you made Mary or like the the the Viola case you made Eric, like it's all, it's beautiful, it's art, it's unique to each of you but like Mary brings that female perspective I think and that's where the videos come in.
00:29:55
E 🎅 & S🤶
Hmm. Hmm.
00:30:11
E 🎅 & S🤶
Hmm.
00:30:12
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Where it's just a different, I wouldn't expect you or Paul to think that way. How sexist of you. you're Well, I'm sorry, but this is where this is where Mary is more evolved than you are.
00:30:21
E 🎅 & S🤶
Honestly.
00:30:24
Mary
I'm into it, I love it.
00:30:26
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I just i feel like the the the the the imagery and the beauty, she really taps into something that I just, I'm not sure, you guys. Well, we we can't in some ways.
00:30:35
Mary
Vicki and I are gonna be best friends now.
00:30:36
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But going back to I think what you were asking originally, Eric, like whenever we go to a craft fair or or something, I have this like have this like soft spot in me for like the guy who's making the cutting boards with the different you know patterns of wood.
00:30:56
E 🎅 & S🤶
Hmm.
00:30:56
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And like it in it's like i just I have this soft spot in me where I i think to myself, like you know like you know Paul you were there once or like this is a person who just he loves all the things you love he might not just be inspired by the same things you are or he's not he's earlier in his earlier in his journey but it's i I still have that appreciation for like you know the multi-colored cutting board
00:31:07
E 🎅 & S🤶
Hmm. Yeah.
00:31:23
Mary
it's so much easier. I feel like it's so much easier for a partner of a woodworker to be in that mindset. Because I feel like if you ask a woodworker who is like more along in their career, they would be a little bit more dismissive and not all the time, obviously, but like it is kind of it is yes.
00:31:31
E 🎅 & S🤶
Mm.
00:31:41
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
You said it, Mary, not me. I was i was trying not to blow my fingers. Well, it's it's hard to remember, Mary, right? like yeah Yeah, it's hard to remember.
00:31:49
E 🎅 & S🤶
It is, it is.
00:31:50
Mary
And that's why I appreciate that.
00:31:50
E 🎅 & S🤶
Yeah. Yeah.
00:31:51
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah.
00:31:51
Mary
Yeah.
00:31:53
E 🎅 & S🤶
I wonder, I wonder if there is a way. So like, as you were saying that, like, I think my my Grinch heart grew two sizes that day kind of moment, right?
00:32:03
E 🎅 & S🤶
Like ah it was it was it was really like a how, I guess the question that was coming up in me is, is how do you so support that person outside?
00:32:04
Mary
but Yeah.
00:32:14
E 🎅 & S🤶
like And maybe the answer is just buy the fucking cutting board and like give it to somebody as a gift. um But how do you support and encourage that person to keep on the journey? Because like,
00:32:26
E 🎅 & S🤶
they may know that they're not that good yet, or they may also not know that they're not that good yet.
00:32:28
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah.
00:32:30
E 🎅 & S🤶
But but regardless, they like people need that encouragement at the early stage of their career to go like somebody saw just enough to spend money and that matters and that keeps you going.
00:32:36
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yep.
00:32:45
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I mean, for me, it would just be ask him about their story. Oh, how did you get started?
00:32:50
E 🎅 & S🤶
Hmm.
00:32:51
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Give them your interest. tell them Tell them, you know, tell me the story. yeah they Everybody has a story. Everybody. Nobody woke up and was like, I'm a woodworker now. There's a jumping off point for everybody.
00:33:03
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
So even just asking and engaging a person, you know, hey, how did you get started in this? Or these are really great. Like, you know, how long have you been doing this? Like, you know, I'm not gonna, and might I might not buy the cutting board because
00:33:11
E 🎅 & S🤶
Mm.
00:33:15
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I know a guy, but but like, you know, you can ask them.
00:33:17
E 🎅 & S🤶
so
00:33:21
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Okay. So I have a story. So I, you know, uh, my, my scientific company used to have an office. We don't anymore after COVID, but we used to have a ah central office.
00:33:31
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And one day I show up in the atrium, there's a craft fair and there's a woodworker there and he's got a table of cutting boards. And sure they're they're like beginner stuff, but you know, but Eric, what you were saying, like, how do you support them?
00:33:45
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
You want to support them, right?
00:33:46
E 🎅 & S🤶
Mmm.
00:33:47
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And so yeah you don't want to be a dick, right? You want to like, so I go up to the woodworker.
00:33:50
E 🎅 & S🤶
Yep.
00:33:53
E 🎅 & S🤶
Yeah, you don't want to be like, huh, purple heart, huh? Interesting choice.
00:33:55
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
yeah rich Oh, I assure you, there was plenty of Purple Heart, also known as Brown Heart in five years. Um, uh,
00:34:04
Mary
Did they do they know that you're a woodworker, Paul? Did they know you?
00:34:06
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
No, no, I was just a person in this office building.
00:34:07
Mary
ah
00:34:11
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
So I go up to him and I say, oh wow, like beautiful cutting boards. I see you did this and oh wow, you use quarter stone white oak, beautiful. I love the ray fleck here. And you know, obviously he he got the message.
00:34:23
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I was a woodworker because of the type of questions, but I didn't elaborate. I did not tell him anything really. I just made it about him. And I, and and I just, you know, and I said, how's it going?
00:34:32
E 🎅 & S🤶
Yeah.
00:34:35
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
How many hours are you putting in? Have you been able to sell your stuff? How's it going? Like, oh, he's like, I want to do this full time. You know, I'm transitioning. My wife's super supportive. I've converted her garage into a wood shop.
00:34:46
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Imagine that, Vicki. And I'm like, girl, I could So, um, so I just gave a message of support and I said, Hey, listen, if you ever want to talk about wood or like, you have any questions or like you want to discuss like a project, you know, like I'm also a woodworker.
00:35:04
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Uh, you know, my Instagram is this, you know, just, you know, good luck, you know, hit me up some time and see online or something very, very, you know, I just tried to make him feel good in that day and like, you know, steady the nerves because I mean, I don't think the people were there to buy, honestly, they were there to go to work.
00:35:15
E 🎅 & S🤶
Hmm.
00:35:17
E 🎅 & S🤶
Yeah.
00:35:22
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
ah Anyway, so so Eric, so he did.
00:35:22
E 🎅 & S🤶
Yeah, that's that's a weird place to sell.
00:35:24
Mary
Did he hit you up?
00:35:27
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
So he looked me up about two weeks later and then yeah ah he sent me a message and he's like,
00:35:27
E 🎅 & S🤶
Hmm.
00:35:27
Mary
Aw.
00:35:34
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I didn't know you were a woodworker. Like, like, I didn't know you were like a real woodworker.
00:35:37
Mary
Woodworker.
00:35:38
E 🎅 & S🤶
I didn't know you were a real ass woodworker.
00:35:40
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I thought, yeah, he thought, I thought you were like, you know, tuba furs and tuba furs. And then suddenly like he, is like the, the conversation changed dramatically.
00:35:51
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And he's like, Oh my God, thank you for being so nice to me. Like, I really appreciate it.
00:35:54
E 🎅 & S🤶
Mmm.
00:35:55
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I'm struggling. And, and over the next year and a half to two years, he would hit me up with messages about, he didn't know about expansion contractions sometimes and he would hit me up with questions and I'd say, oh no, that thing's going to break itself.
00:36:03
E 🎅 & S🤶
Mmm.
00:36:07
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I wouldn't do it that way. I'd do it this way. And I was able to help him for about two years. Like just random questions if he had them and he was making a go of it. I haven't heard from him in about a year and a half. So I should probably check, but a that's what you call a callback in the old key.
00:36:17
Mary
And his name is Keith Johnson.
00:36:23
E 🎅 & S🤶
Sorry, Keith. no that Mary, that's that might be the greatest burn of this podcast.
00:36:29
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Amazing. Amazing.
00:36:30
Mary
I love you Keith.
00:36:32
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Keith, do you want some ointment for that burn? and Instead of sorry, Mary, it's sorry, Keith.
00:36:35
E 🎅 & S🤶
is so Sorry, Keith.
00:36:38
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
yeah Okay.
00:36:39
E 🎅 & S🤶
All right, hold on, hold on, hold on.
00:36:40
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah, go ahead.
00:36:40
E 🎅 & S🤶
Sorry, are you don are you done with your story? Okay, so I wanted to ask you, Sarah, um because what the the craft fair, the craft show, the the furniture show is a thing in the states that we're all very familiar with.
00:36:59
E 🎅 & S🤶
um and it's like it's it's a staple, right? like there's There's big craft shows, there's tiny craft shows, there's Christmas craft shows. like I feel like we are a culture of people who just make shit and then the entrepreneurial drive to like try to sell it like then evolves into you know a group of people throwing like the the Love City Christmas fair, right? Or the, the not Love City, the Love Park Christmas fair.
00:37:25
E 🎅 & S🤶
um I've not seen that in Switzerland. Is that a thing that you're aware of? Like, is that that sense of small batch handmade objects? Like, is that part of the culture?
00:37:40
E 🎅 & S🤶
um I'm sure it is somewhere, but I'm not in the make or bubble in Switzerland like I am here. So I'm sure that I'm not as exposed to those places where those things would happen. ah We have Christmas markets, people sell handmade objects, um but that's about the only time that it is like accessible to the broad public, I would say.
00:38:07
E 🎅 & S🤶
um I think you would have to like do some research to actually find the other like craft fairs and ah those kinds of things. But um I'm sure it is a thing.
00:38:21
E 🎅 & S🤶
I'm gonna have to keep it.
00:38:21
Mary
Yeah, my, my team is in ah Germany. My work team is in Germany and I, they have mentioned like the same sort of craft stuff. However, I feel like I've noticed a, like a thread specifically in like all the German woodworkers I know of it being a lot of like refurbished and like renovate, um, renovating is not the right word, but like using like old material, yeah, refurbishing, I guess, and using that and turning that, yeah, turning that into something new.
00:38:39
E 🎅 & S🤶
Oh, interesting.
00:38:43
E 🎅 & S🤶
yeah Interesting.
00:38:43
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
No, reclaimed, reclaimed.
00:38:47
Mary
But I don't know if that's just like a coincidence or if that's actually a trend.
00:38:52
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Well, I do feel like Europeans in general are very environmentally informed and responsible.
00:38:57
Mary
True.
00:38:57
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
So perhaps the reclamation.
00:38:58
E 🎅 & S🤶
Really? Yeah, not like Americans.
00:38:59
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah, I know.
00:39:00
E 🎅 & S🤶
Really?
00:39:01
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
No, I'm serious.
00:39:01
E 🎅 & S🤶
You think that?
00:39:02
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah, if I can.
00:39:03
E 🎅 & S🤶
I would actually push back like in this, this is going to get out of broader like consumerism mindset. But my experience of Europe on the whole is ah the the consumer culture is actually more deeply ingrained over there of just like, buy and buy and buy ah and and constantly being in inundated with with salesmanship.
00:39:25
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
No way, Eric.
00:39:26
Mary
where they don't have the space to like keep all that stuff.
00:39:28
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
They don't have, no way.
00:39:29
E 🎅 & S🤶
not necessarily Not necessarily shit, but like like that the the primary example of this, and but again, this is a longer conversation to be had, but the primary example of this is if you walk into any single airport in Europe, what's the first thing you do?
00:39:47
E 🎅 & S🤶
Is they wind you through duty free, and they wind you through a goddamn mall. It is a shopping mall. And then they're like, oh, you also have to get on a flight.
00:39:53
Mary
that's because they're taking advantage That's because they're taking advantage of the Americans who are coming for tourism.
00:39:55
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
of Americans. Yes.
00:39:58
E 🎅 & S🤶
I don't think that's true.
00:39:58
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Thank you, Mary.
00:39:59
E 🎅 & S🤶
i I don't think that's true.
00:40:00
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Consider me taken advantage of that is my favorite part of international travel.
00:40:00
E 🎅 & S🤶
I think Mary's right.
00:40:05
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And you wonder.
00:40:05
E 🎅 & S🤶
but All right. thats That's actually the title of the episode.
00:40:10
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Okay, enough, enough of this shit. No, can I just say that when you Eric, when you were conjuring up images of craft fairs in Switzerland, I literally like disassociated and was thinking of just like, the most beautiful, pristine, like snow-capped mountains and just gorgeous people selling gorgeous wares and like that's what i thought okay let me let a girl live let a girl dream
00:40:30
E 🎅 & S🤶
I mean, yeah, that's that's pretty much what Switzerland is like. yeah It's too expensive to sell that stuff in Switzerland. Well, that's also true.
00:40:37
Mary
Mm, that's true.
00:40:38
E 🎅 & S🤶
oh
00:40:42
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
back to what be we We've taken quite a hiatus from
Favorite Projects and Unique Stories
00:40:47
E 🎅 & S🤶
That's fine.
00:40:47
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
our main thread.
00:40:48
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
All right, back to woodworking. Sarah and Victoria, what is the favorite thing that we you've seen us make or other people?
00:40:59
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
yeah We can open that. It doesn't have to be me and Eric. And what is your least favorite thing ah you've seen us make?
00:41:05
E 🎅 & S🤶
ah Oh, maybe I have to think on this.
00:41:07
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Let's put the good news first. Victoria?
00:41:09
Mary
Or you don't have to have seen, just like, you know.
00:41:09
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
ter do you Sarah, do you want to go first or would you like me to go first?
00:41:16
E 🎅 & S🤶
Go first.
00:41:16
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Okay. I know. i move Okay. ah Favorite for...
00:41:19
Mary
She's like, I immediately know.
00:41:19
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
for for
00:41:20
E 🎅 & S🤶
Dodge the bullet.
00:41:21
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
For sentimental reasons, you know, you made me like a cutting board when we first started dating out of the top of, I think it was like a desk or something.
00:41:31
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
A table on the side of the road. I used to live in Salem and he found a table on the side of the road.
00:41:35
Mary
That's a romantic.
00:41:37
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And so he did, he made me a beautiful pig cutting board and I loved it.
00:41:37
E 🎅 & S🤶
this
00:41:41
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
That's your favorite thing I've ever made. But like sentimental and you made me a beautiful mirror, a tin
00:41:44
E 🎅 & S🤶
That was when you peaked as the designer, Paul.
00:41:46
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
no i know right No, you have to pick one.
00:41:47
Mary
That's true.
00:41:47
E 🎅 & S🤶
yeah
00:41:48
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
oh You can't go through like a whole chronology of our relationship. My favorite and most impressive thing you've ever made was the high boy that's in our bedroom. 100%. I mean, that and the the fact that you like I have pictures of Paul, like I took pictures of him like standing next to it.
00:41:58
E 🎅 & S🤶
OK.
00:42:04
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
You were never more not proud. on not Not that happy on our wedding day. Not that happy the day your daughter was born. like and That was peak happiness. That's not even true. That's a lie. A bunch of bullshit. All right, I'm going to give you time to think of your least favorite project. Sarah, what's the favorite thing you've seen Eric make or someone else?
00:42:28
E 🎅 & S🤶
Um, well, also for sentimental reasons, the first thing that he made for me, which was, uh, like a nice rectangular box. And I keep all of my flight tickets in there and it's, it's just a nice little object, but in, uh, in general, um,
00:42:39
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Oh. Oh.
00:42:49
E 🎅 & S🤶
I mean, I do like this table that he made the ah office table, which it is now. yeah the the No, um no, no, no, the spiral, the spiral desk.
00:42:55
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
It's not the river table with the rowboat in it, right?
00:42:58
Mary
Mm-mm.
00:43:01
E 🎅 & S🤶
Yes. I do. I do like this because, ah well, because of the story that you tell, the intention of this was that people like go 360 around it and It actually worked.
00:43:13
E 🎅 & S🤶
He saw people do the thing that he wanted to achieve. That was the first time it worked.
00:43:17
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Cool.
00:43:17
E 🎅 & S🤶
And I think that that's what I like about it because it created such a good moment for you. That's fair. you know You know, I like the story maybe equally as much as the object.
00:43:24
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
cool
00:43:29
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Vicki, what's something you hate or the least favorite object I've ever made? It doesn't have to be me, it can be me, I'm ready for it, or something in general that you hate. Okay, there have been a few things that you've made that like, I just, I didn't get it.
00:43:43
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
It didn't resonate with me. so So one of the big influences in Paul's life is the day we went to the museum oh you and you saw Takashi and the the flowers.
00:43:50
E 🎅 & S🤶
Oh, oh yeah.
00:43:55
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
that inspired him to no end and I just I never got it. I like I just never got it.
00:44:00
E 🎅 & S🤶
Really?
00:44:02
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
tokaha Like Takashi Murakami as a as an artist. Why you were so particularly drawn to those flowers. I get Takashi like i I got that I didn't understand the pull of these flowers but like look that he it was a thing it was a moment.
00:44:13
E 🎅 & S🤶
Hmm.
00:44:17
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
The other thing that I didn't
00:44:18
E 🎅 & S🤶
You made a lot of things in that that vernacular though.
00:44:20
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
He did, he did.
00:44:21
E 🎅 & S🤶
A lot of cutting boards had the inlay with that flower.
00:44:21
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And people loved them and it was a moment. I did, I did.
00:44:24
E 🎅 & S🤶
Yeah.
00:44:24
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
It did not speak to me.
00:44:24
Mary
Thank you.
00:44:27
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
It did not speak to me. The other thing that you made that didn't necessarily speak to me was, can I say? You can say anything. Okay. I feel really bad.
00:44:38
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Okay. He made this, it was a beautiful jewelry box and he pyrographied this beautiful like crooked house on it. And I just, I was like, I was like,
00:44:46
E 🎅 & S🤶
ah Oh, hell yeah.
00:44:48
Mary
Paul, did you know this? Or is this new?
00:44:51
E 🎅 & S🤶
That look on his face says it's new.
00:44:51
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
you know the fact that it didn't sell for about a two years probably should have told me that it like it just it was it was such an odd juxtaposition it was like the house is beautiful and the box was beautiful but i didn't get it but yeah and it it was like a creaky
00:44:57
Mary
ah
00:45:03
E 🎅 & S🤶
Of of the the image in the box. They were they were dissonant.
00:45:10
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
It was like a creaky old house. Like I know this is an audio form, you know, unless you're watching the video, but it wasn't like an old creaky two story European style, Switzerlandy house, like on a hillside.
00:45:25
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
It looked like the burrow from Harry Potter. Yeah, it was very, harry yeah, it was like the burrow from Harry Potter put on a beautiful, elegant, curly walnut jewelry box with like solid copper accents.
00:45:28
E 🎅 & S🤶
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:45:35
Mary
Hmm.
00:45:40
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And it was very peculiar. It was and I knew that someone would love it. I just had to find that person and it took two years and someone who went to college with me saw it.
00:45:47
E 🎅 & S🤶
Yeah.
00:45:51
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And because I went to a tech school, and this person loves Lego, this person loves Harry Potter, this person loves gnomes.
00:45:57
E 🎅 & S🤶
Hmm.
00:45:59
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
They saw that juxtaposition as the coolest fucking thing ever.
00:46:04
E 🎅 & S🤶
Yeah.
00:46:04
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And when they came to buy it, i she didn't know that it was for sale. She thought it had already sold. A year later, I just i saw her online, I was like, hey, you know that jewelry box that you said you didn't have enough money for at the time?
00:46:20
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I'm like, I'm going to, I want you to have it. I'm going to cut the price literally in half if that helps you.
00:46:28
E 🎅 & S🤶
Hmm.
00:46:29
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And because you are the unique person who will appreciate it. She came over, she bought it. Um, she, her hands were shaking, opening it literally trembling.
00:46:37
E 🎅 & S🤶
Hell yeah.
00:46:39
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
She was that excited. So I get it. Yeah. It was a weird moment. It was a weird piece, but if you find the right person, it can still work.
00:46:51
E 🎅 & S🤶
but isn't that also just the nature of experimental work? Like that is you had an idea, you tried an idea, and that's like it, Vicki, to your point, like they were, both of the things were beautiful, right?
00:46:55
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yes, I did.
00:47:05
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Right.
00:47:05
E 🎅 & S🤶
Even if they were dissonant and you tried to put them together and maybe it didn't work, but the only way you know it doesn't work is if you do the goddamn thing, right?
00:47:07
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah.
00:47:10
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
It didn't.
00:47:14
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
right Well, Eric it didn't work for most people it worked for that one like a very select person or two But yes, you're right.
00:47:14
E 🎅 & S🤶
Like that, so, right, right, right, right.
00:47:22
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Like you don't know until you try and you got to have the balls to try, right?
00:47:24
E 🎅 & S🤶
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:47:26
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
After after Sarah gives her answer of maybe something that you know, I want to know what Mary no, I want to know what Mary maybe didn't lie. Okay. Yeah, Sarah What do you fuck?
00:47:37
E 🎅 & S🤶
Well, it's Mary's least favorite part that or thing that Paul's ever made. Yes, that's what I want to know too.
00:47:41
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Exactly. yes Sarah, tell me what you hate or your least favorite item.
00:47:47
E 🎅 & S🤶
Oh.
00:47:47
Mary
Jesus Christ!
00:47:48
E 🎅 & S🤶
I hate it. Eric once made a box. I make a lot of boxes. You don't have to be more specific.
00:47:59
E 🎅 & S🤶
The video game box. Oh, you didn't like that one?
00:48:01
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Video game but videogame box.
00:48:02
Mary
Or the Final Fantasy one?
00:48:04
E 🎅 & S🤶
I, yeah so he made, he had to make shaper content yeah and decided to do like an inlay for the the top of ah of a box of a certain video game.
00:48:06
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Oh, that one.
00:48:17
E 🎅 & S🤶
What was it called? Final fantasy seven.
00:48:18
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Final Fantasy.
00:48:18
E 🎅 & S🤶
Final fantasy seven. I didn't even know the game, but I just, it was, I guess it was so different from what you usually make, like so far away from like the usual design yeah that you have.
00:48:33
E 🎅 & S🤶
And I don't know, it just visually didn't do anything for me. That's interesting. I take zero offense to that because, I mean, partially you're right.
00:48:43
E 🎅 & S🤶
like it's it's It's outside of my vernacular. It was a play thing, though. And I know you had fun making it. And here's the thing. it I still fucking love that box. like I think like I loved making that box.
00:48:53
E 🎅 & S🤶
I love that game. ah It's a dumb box. And that you don't like it is like, ah whatever. I liked it. And then you also found a person. And somebody bought it. And somebody bought the box.
00:49:04
Mary
Oh really?
00:49:04
E 🎅 & S🤶
Yeah. yeah
00:49:05
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
There's a lid for every pot. Eric, I feel there's a lid for every pot.
00:49:07
E 🎅 & S🤶
Yeah.
00:49:08
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
so Eric, I feel like our our two experiences are very similar.
00:49:08
E 🎅 & S🤶
Yeah.
00:49:12
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
We were trying new ideas out on the lid of a box and maybe it didn't work for 99% of our audience.
00:49:12
E 🎅 & S🤶
Yeah. yeah Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think what was also interesting about that box or the failure of that box is is part of that was driven by like the understanding that we are in a cultural moment of deep nostalgia. And that, like, I I push back a lot against nostalgia as a vehicle because I think it's dangerous and it it doesn't allow you to create new things. But it can be fun to reflect sometimes. And that was without a doubt my favorite game growing up. So that was my like nod to my childhood and nod to nostalgia. And maybe maybe the thing was maybe it just wasn't good. Maybe it was too deep a cut.
00:50:00
E 🎅 & S🤶
Um, but what whatever the thing was, I was like, I don't know. I liked making it. So who gives a shit if it, if it was a failure. Who gives a shit if I don't like it?
00:50:10
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
You know what, Sarah, you bring up a good point. As a craftsperson, you have to steal yourself against dissenting opinions.
00:50:16
E 🎅 & S🤶
Yeah. Absolutely. Sure.
00:50:18
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
That's just part of the game. Like you can't let that unhinge you. I mean, you can it can hurt you for a moment or or maybe not, but you have to be able to carry on because art is risk if you're doing it right.
00:50:30
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
It's true. So Mary, what did you hate that they made?
00:50:30
E 🎅 & S🤶
Yeah, Mary oh This is actually this is actually a more fun game than what's the like Mary Mary Mary No, she's
00:50:36
Mary
Wait, that I made or of Paul and Eric's?
00:50:37
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
No, that they made. Everything you make is perfection. I'm talking about the boys.
00:50:42
Mary
Oh man, I they might have to come back to me.
00:50:49
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Mary's like, I'm not familiar with their catalog because I'm very busy.
00:50:52
Mary
Well, you guys make a lot of things.
00:50:53
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Mary's like, I don't mary's like i don't know what they made because I don't really give a shit.
00:50:56
E 🎅 & S🤶
she's She's so much more comfortable shooting on her own work than looking us dead in the eye and shooting on our work, so this is so much more of a fun game.
00:50:57
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I don't care i don't follow them.
00:51:05
Mary
Yeah, I was expecting a, what did I, know um, oh god.
00:51:07
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Or are you? Whatever, no pressure. Eric, Mary's bringing up your Instagram feed right now to see what you've made over the last year.
00:51:13
E 🎅 & S🤶
Oh yeah, oh yeah.
00:51:13
Mary
I absolutely am.
00:51:15
E 🎅 & S🤶
She's gonna shit on the last thing she sees on my Instagram feed.
00:51:17
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Because she has no idea what you've been working on.
00:51:18
Mary
Um.
00:51:22
Mary
No, that's not necessarily true.
00:51:27
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Okay, enough.
00:51:27
Mary
Oh God, oh God. look Well, okay, I can think of one thing that like isn't really, I appreciate the craft of it, but ah I would say maybe not my own personal interest.
00:51:42
Mary
ah is probably like It's probably Eric's Raver Table, just in the nature of it being a Raver Table.
00:51:42
E 🎅 & S🤶
Sped it out, dawg. Oh, sure.
00:51:46
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Well, that's it.
00:51:47
E 🎅 & S🤶
No.
00:51:47
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Nailed it. Oh, come on, Mary.
00:51:48
E 🎅 & S🤶
I mean, that's that's easy enough.
00:51:49
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
get Mary, come on.
00:51:50
Mary
It's the thing that I see the most.
00:51:50
E 🎅 & S🤶
Yeah. That's low hanging fruit. It is. it is
00:51:53
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
It haunts her dreams. She's like, I see it the most.
00:51:55
E 🎅 & S🤶
Listen, it haunts my dreams. i So Larissa came over to record a podcast with Sam and Jeff today. um I know I'm a podcast slut.
00:52:05
E 🎅 & S🤶
It's not my fault. ah But the that we were sitting around the the um coffee table in the living room, and she was like, I'm really surprised that this hasn't gotten destroyed yet.
00:52:08
Mary
I am too.
00:52:16
E 🎅 & S🤶
like It has a boat in the middle of the coffee table.
00:52:18
Mary
i am too
00:52:20
E 🎅 & S🤶
And I i made that thing in, I think, 2019. I've been waiting for it to be destroyed so I can make a new table since then. I like i genuinely didn't expect it to last more than a couple of months.
00:52:32
Mary
Oh, that's what's gonna make you make a new one.
00:52:32
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Eric.
00:52:34
Mary
Cause next time I'm over, I'm just like, whoops.
00:52:36
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah, eric I was like, I can destroy that for you if you want. know Eric, I have to say I'm not familiar with the river table. I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to look it up.
00:52:42
E 🎅 & S🤶
There's a reason.
00:52:45
E 🎅 & S🤶
ah You're going to have to dig deep in the Instagram files for that.
00:52:47
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
um I will dig deep. I will dig deep.
00:52:48
Mary
I like the boat. I will say I like the boat a lot.
00:52:51
E 🎅 & S🤶
but boats I think it's a good play on the river table, in fairness.
00:52:53
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Oh, whatever.
00:52:54
Mary
It is.
00:52:56
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Alright, last couple questions before we switch to lighting around. Ladies, what is, or how have you dealt with, this is really good, how have you dealt with the phenomenon of
00:53:07
E 🎅 & S🤶
Oh man.
00:53:10
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Hey, this dude from the internet that I'm friends with is gonna come over, we're gonna have dinner together, and they're staying over tonight. All right, can i can I just instantly, as you were talking, this is the first story that entered my brain, and I've got a million of them, but this is a good one.
00:53:19
E 🎅 & S🤶
Please. please
00:53:27
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
So the the the high boy that I mentioned before, that is Paul's pride and joy, that he loves more than anything on this planet, ah is in our bedroom. And somebody had come over, I think maybe you went and got beers with them. They were very nice. Well, I'll get to how they were nice. um very nice They went and got beers with them, and then you came home. and now Now, I have a tendency to go to bed on the early side, so like nine o'clock.
00:53:51
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
so I am in my bed covers on i've got the podcast going i'm in the bedroom and i hear him come home and i hear he's downstairs and i can hear his chat with somebody and then i hear this the sound of people coming up the stairs and i was like there's no way
00:54:10
E 🎅 & S🤶
i' I'm unreasonably nervous hearing this story right now.
00:54:11
Mary
Oh no, oh no, he he wanted to show it off.
00:54:13
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
You should be. You should be. You're about to lose patrons over this. And he opens the bedroom door. I am in bed. And he opens the bedroom door.
00:54:24
E 🎅 & S🤶
Paul!
00:54:25
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And he's like, hey, my friend so-and-so wants to see the high boy. You don't mind, right? And he flips the light on. I'm literally in bed. I'm like, hi.
00:54:34
Mary
Oh my god, Paul, I would be so mad.
00:54:35
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah. Yeah. And the person was like, hot, nice to meet you.
00:54:38
E 🎅 & S🤶
This is amazing.
00:54:40
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And like, he.
00:54:40
Mary
A stranger?
00:54:40
E 🎅 & S🤶
Oh, oh man.
00:54:42
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah, a stranger from the interwebs.
00:54:44
Mary
Oh no.
00:54:45
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah. And listen, I'm too martini's deep. I'm not afraid to say, when I when i go to sleep, I'm Vicky No Pants.
00:54:50
E 🎅 & S🤶
ah say
00:54:53
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
So like, I am not appropriate under those covers.
00:54:59
E 🎅 & S🤶
Yeah, but you've got a blanket on. It's fine.
00:55:01
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I did have ah many blankets up to my chin. And I was like, nice to meet you.
00:55:06
E 🎅 & S🤶
Oh, man.
00:55:06
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
and i Why do you fucking go to bed at 7.30 PM is my question.
00:55:12
E 🎅 & S🤶
ah Do not put this on her.
00:55:13
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Why do you bring strangers, why do you bring strangers from the internet to the bedroom?
00:55:13
Mary
But knew, you knew that about her.
00:55:17
E 🎅 & S🤶
It's amazing.
00:55:18
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
didn't know that about her when we got married. Then she was normal. It's a fucking bait and switch job.
00:55:22
E 🎅 & S🤶
may Classic, classic bait and switch.
00:55:24
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
She's like, Oh, so cool. I'm so fun. By the way, I'm going to bed at 7.30 PM. Because my husband abandons me for his woodshop.
00:55:33
E 🎅 & S🤶
See this, this is the podcast I was promised, marital counseling with Eric and Mary. This is what I was promised.
00:55:40
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
So Sarah, try to top strangers in your bedroom.
00:55:46
E 🎅 & S🤶
I'll try.
00:55:46
Mary
yeah that one's hard to top
00:55:48
E 🎅 & S🤶
oh so
00:55:48
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Mm-hmm.
00:55:49
E 🎅 & S🤶
So I will start here. Eric and I once went on a bar crawl in Philadelphia. It was the first time I was here, I think, or like the second time. Oh, when it was just you and I.
00:56:00
E 🎅 & S🤶
Just you and I. yeah yeah yeah And ah so we went to like eight or 10 bars, ah whatever it was.
00:56:06
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Two ways.
00:56:07
E 🎅 & S🤶
And, and then, yeah, oh, no, I was almost as hammered as Vicki's right now.
00:56:07
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Jeez Louise. Oh, to be young.
00:56:11
Mary
Yeah, that one's hard to top.
00:56:13
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
oh Almost. Almost.
00:56:17
E 🎅 & S🤶
ah So and then this was the inspiration for a thing called the Maker Crawl that happens every year now where 30 of Eric's and Paul's friends and Mary's friends come to Philadelphia and we go on a bar bar crawl together and there happens a party happens to be a party at our house.
00:56:39
E 🎅 & S🤶
after. So and then there's not one person in our bedroom, but like 20. so
00:56:46
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Oh, you win, you win.
00:56:47
E 🎅 & S🤶
The house was
Fun and Games with Woodworking Knowledge
00:56:49
E 🎅 & S🤶
in the house. The house is that I mean, ah um well I don't I don't know how might like my house is probably smaller than than your guy's house, right? Like and it's it's there's not a lot of room
00:56:58
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Eric, don't act like you haven't been in Casa Jasper in the guest bedroom. Don't even act like you have.
00:57:03
E 🎅 & S🤶
Ma'am, the first time that you and I met, you walked in while Paul and I were tacking up beadboard in the kitchen. And you were like, oh, is this Eric?
00:57:14
E 🎅 & S🤶
Is this the stranger from the internet who's sleeping in our house tonight? OK, well, see you guys later.
00:57:17
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yep, nice to meet you.
00:57:22
E 🎅 & S🤶
No, but in all honesty, I enjoy it very much. I've been enjoying getting to know everybody from the community. And you did you did you did handle being around 30 people that only you knew casually a couple of them for what 72 hours.
00:57:33
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Oh my God, Sarah, MVP.
00:57:43
E 🎅 & S🤶
While I I know it was honestly wild.
00:57:45
Mary
It's a lot.
00:57:46
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
MVP.
00:57:49
E 🎅 & S🤶
while I had to bounce back and forth to host an event.
00:57:50
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I have to say though, a lot of
00:57:53
E 🎅 & S🤶
Which you didn't want to host. It's just Justin, maybe. Well, it's not my event, yeah.
00:57:58
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
those guys, so like I know a lot of the people that Mary and Eric know and a lot of the people that you met on that crawl, I have to say like, you were asking like, what's my favorite thing you made?
00:58:08
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And I was like, dare I say the friendships?
00:58:12
E 🎅 & S🤶
ah It's about the friendships we made along the way.
00:58:14
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Honestly, like, They're, it's like, they're amazing. Like the I have not met one person that I didn't like, honestly. So really the maker community is incredible.
00:58:25
E 🎅 & S🤶
It is it's a it's a pretty phenomenal group of people. That's for sure.
00:58:28
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
We have good taste.
00:58:29
E 🎅 & S🤶
Yes.
00:58:29
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
What can I say? I'll be.
00:58:31
E 🎅 & S🤶
I mean, obviously.
00:58:31
Mary
It's true.
00:58:34
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Very good Sarah.
00:58:34
Mary
ah
00:58:35
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
All right. We're heading up to about an hour and we're going to switch gears now to what we thought would be interesting is a lightning round. And the lightning round is usually me and Eric and Mary trading jabs, but we thought it might be even better if Sarah and Victoria did a last woman standing lightning round where they mention certain woodworking things.
00:59:01
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And we'll see how much osmosis has occurred. How much have they gathered through passive absorption from being around such knowledgeable and demure.
00:59:16
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I'm like already thinking of them in my head.
00:59:18
E 🎅 & S🤶
Which hold on which of the which of the three of us is demure buddy Very mindful
00:59:19
Mary
The mirror is not the word I would have used to describe that.
00:59:22
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah, very demure, very. All right, fuck, all right.
00:59:25
Mary
ah Very mindful.
00:59:27
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Very mindful. Fuck demure. Onto the lighting round. We're gonna start with species of wood. Oh, I got this. Last woman standing wins.
00:59:34
E 🎅 & S🤶
Oh.
00:59:35
Mary
Oh my God, this is so...
00:59:36
E 🎅 & S🤶
OK. We're going jab for jab. Five second limit.
00:59:38
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Here we go. Jab for jab.
00:59:40
E 🎅 & S🤶
Five second limit.
00:59:41
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Ready? Yeah, five seconds, you can't be like. I don't need five seconds, I got this. All right, Sarah, you're first. Ready?
00:59:47
Mary
Is this fair for Sarah?
00:59:48
E 🎅 & S🤶
I guess.
00:59:48
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Go.
00:59:49
Mary
It's not her, English is not her first language either.
00:59:49
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Oh, Sarah, if Sarah, if you need to do it in German, we'll believe you.
00:59:53
E 🎅 & S🤶
Don't, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Because she's just going to be like Bergenergen. And then we're just going to be like that man.
00:59:58
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
forberg
00:59:59
E 🎅 & S🤶
That means pot. Like what? My bigger disadvantage is that I've been submerged in this world for much shorter, but I'm not making excuses.
01:00:01
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
yeah
01:00:07
E 🎅 & S🤶
Let's go. All right.
01:00:08
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Look at her. She's like red.
01:00:09
E 🎅 & S🤶
Ready?
01:00:09
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
She's like, I'm out for blood. Let's go go ahead, Sarah.
01:00:11
E 🎅 & S🤶
Rock and roll. Go. All right. Maple.
01:00:15
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Spalted maple. ah That's still maple. That's just still the same tiger wood no tiger maybe but ah cherry Maple
01:00:21
Mary
Tiger maple?
01:00:23
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I was impressing with spalted maple.
01:00:24
E 🎅 & S🤶
Tiger wins a t-shirt!
01:00:31
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
That was good.
01:00:31
E 🎅 & S🤶
Well, this...
01:00:32
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
That's good, but that's still me. All right cherry cherry. Okay, so a maple and cherry go ahead Yellow pine
01:00:35
E 🎅 & S🤶
Okay, all alright. Walnut.
01:00:43
E 🎅 & S🤶
ah Swiss pear.
01:00:46
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Mahogany. Oh.
01:00:48
E 🎅 & S🤶
fifty Purple heart.
01:00:50
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Oh.
01:00:53
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Zucote. Zucote, yeah.
01:00:55
E 🎅 & S🤶
Oh shit, okay.
01:00:56
Mary
Wow.
01:00:58
E 🎅 & S🤶
um Oh my Jesus. You got this.
01:01:02
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Chestnut. Wow.
01:01:06
E 🎅 & S🤶
um um mygie
01:01:11
E 🎅 & S🤶
ah you got this ah no ah All right, that was good oh These aren't like honestly you guys got way deeper Those were deep cuts nobody said pine Nobody said butternut
01:01:18
Mary
That's okay.
01:01:20
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Wait, what what what's our porch made out of?
01:01:21
Mary
That was good.
01:01:23
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
E-pay. E-pay.
01:01:25
Mary
These are some deep cuts.
01:01:27
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Seriously?
01:01:30
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
So Swiss pair and zero coach that were deep cuts.
01:01:33
Mary
Yeah, did no one say pine?
01:01:33
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Virtual high five, Sarah. Virtual high five.
01:01:39
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Nope.
01:01:40
Mary
Like redwood or...
01:01:40
E 🎅 & S🤶
Yeah, nobody said pop I was trying to look around no you did I honestly honestly that was that was genuinely impressive All right, uh next one All right, the next one is just woodworking terminology just like generic Like what whatever you got all right Vicky Yeah, yeah, it could be a tool.
01:01:41
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
oh therere
01:01:48
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
All right, round two. Round two.
01:01:55
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Oh, Jesus. Just words. Okay. Woodworking. I got this. I got this. It could be a joint. I can do it. It could be anything. I can do it. All right.
01:02:04
E 🎅 & S🤶
It could be a finish whatever it is Vicky you're going first on this one and I
01:02:06
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Vicki. Handcut dovetails.
01:02:10
E 🎅 & S🤶
um joinery um a chisel a
01:02:14
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Planar.
01:02:19
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Japanese saw.
01:02:23
E 🎅 & S🤶
workbench
01:02:25
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
ah What's the cranky thing? The cranky thing? Yeah, what's the cranky thing in your shot? What's the cranky thing? The cranky thing that you paid a lot of money for. Dips and tilts.
01:02:35
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
What is that? The holder.
01:02:39
Mary
I don't think you can ask for help.
01:02:39
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
What? I can I, can I call, can I have a lifeline?
01:02:41
E 🎅 & S🤶
I don't think you can phone a friend.
01:02:43
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Mary, a lifeline, the cranky thing that holds the things together and tilts a vice.
01:02:45
E 🎅 & S🤶
And that was, that was like 15 seconds dog.
01:02:47
Mary
The vice? It's the vice.
01:02:50
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
God darn it.
01:02:50
E 🎅 & S🤶
That was like 15 seconds dog.
01:02:52
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Sorry. Okay. Sarah won that one.
01:02:56
E 🎅 & S🤶
That was good.
01:02:56
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
No, Sarah won that one. Oh, there's more.
01:02:57
E 🎅 & S🤶
Oh, we're still going.
01:02:57
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Come on. are Are we, are we done with that?
01:02:59
E 🎅 & S🤶
All right. All right. All right.
01:03:00
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Come on.
01:03:00
E 🎅 & S🤶
All right. We can keep it going. all right Yeah.
01:03:01
Mary
This feels like Mad Libs.
01:03:01
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
yeah Okay.
01:03:03
E 🎅 & S🤶
Sawdust. It's everywhere.
01:03:05
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Oh, a ventilation system, a saw collection system. A saw collection system? It collects the saws? Dust collection, dust collection. Excellent. Collects my saws and solves them. Go ahead, Sarah.
01:03:19
E 🎅 & S🤶
Oh, uh, uh, workbench con.
01:03:23
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Ooh.
01:03:23
E 🎅 & S🤶
Okay, all right.
01:03:25
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
We're just now going to talk about like makers. Call me maybe.
01:03:31
E 🎅 & S🤶
That's the first way to read it. This game's just like a twist. Uh, flannels. Okay, all right.
01:03:37
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
k KJ sawdust. Shout out Keith.
01:03:42
E 🎅 & S🤶
Oh my goodness. ah or Right.
01:03:44
Mary
There's so many. This is such a general category.
01:03:48
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
it's got Noise canceling, canceling like headphones that you make me wear when you force me in the shop. Do you want to go deaf? I'm not, it's not cute. I know it's not cute.
01:03:59
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Do you want to go deaf?
01:03:59
E 🎅 & S🤶
You interrupt lumber.
01:04:00
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
No.
01:04:02
E 🎅 & S🤶
Oh, okay. There it is.
01:04:03
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Wait, what did you say?
01:04:04
E 🎅 & S🤶
I said lumber.
01:04:05
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Um, uh, uh, pallets.
01:04:13
E 🎅 & S🤶
ah Cabinet tree.
01:04:18
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Um, three.
01:04:18
E 🎅 & S🤶
and
01:04:24
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Planer. No, I said that.
01:04:26
E 🎅 & S🤶
yeah
01:04:27
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Sorry. Sorry. Sarah, you win round two.
01:04:30
E 🎅 & S🤶
Bangerang.
01:04:31
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
You won. You won that one.
01:04:32
E 🎅 & S🤶
Double dip. Well done.
01:04:33
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Well, that that was less than impressive.
01:04:33
E 🎅 & S🤶
Well done.
01:04:38
Mary
Oh my god.
01:04:40
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
That was terrible.
01:04:41
Mary
You guys are so harsh.
01:04:43
E 🎅 & S🤶
Now, now, here's the deal. We have to transition into our ad read.
Woodworking Products and Humor
01:04:50
E 🎅 & S🤶
And we're going to bring it to the Christmas corner. And listen, I'm going to be straight with you guys.
01:04:56
E 🎅 & S🤶
We're not going to top last episode's ad read. It's just not going to happen. That's the greatest piece of content that I have ever put out on the internet and probably will.
01:05:00
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Challenge accepted.
01:05:05
E 🎅 & S🤶
Oh, we're ready. But here's what we're going to do in lieu of that. um We have another ah sponsorship from Bill Berkel over at WTB Woodworking, our dear friend William, who ah ran away with Chad at the end of last episode, on really unexpectedly. And we're gonna have ah Vicki and Sarah read ah the the ad read for us. So they're gonna tell us everything we need to know about what WTB Woodworking is, does, and sells.
01:05:41
E 🎅 & S🤶
We sure will.
01:05:44
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
We've got this on lock. All right, Bill, this goes out to you and all of our listeners. Holiday Woodworker gift headquarters.
01:05:57
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
WB Woodworking. Carving out excellence.
01:05:59
E 🎅 & S🤶
no Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. WTV woodworking.
01:06:03
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
WTB. Whoopsie. two Two cocktails deep. WTB Woodworking. Carving out excellence. One log at a time.
01:06:14
E 🎅 & S🤶
He's got full service woodworking companies and storefront, family owned and operated lumber slabs and sheet goods.
01:06:27
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Woodworking tools and supplies make great gifts.
01:06:33
E 🎅 & S🤶
Okay. Here's, here's what I want to know from both of you. So what, what are some of the things that Bill over at WTV woodworking is supplying as far as tools and supplies goes?
01:06:46
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Rubio Monocote, the power of one. what what girl What do you think that is, Sarah? What do you think that is?
01:06:55
E 🎅 & S🤶
Well, who needs three rounds when you can only have one?
01:07:03
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Sarah just won the internet.
01:07:08
E 🎅 & S🤶
No, Paul, Paul, that is a single code finish.
01:07:11
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
How did you know that?
01:07:15
E 🎅 & S🤶
I'm dating Eric Curtis. That's my answer.
01:07:17
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Sarah, here you're turning me on.
01:07:22
E 🎅 & S🤶
What else what else ah our is WTV Woodworking offering these days? Oh, I see the Tide Bond. Vicky, what do you think about it?
01:07:33
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
What's tight bond, Vicki? It's the pro's advantage. Why, why settle for a loose bond when you can have a tight bond? But what is a tight?
01:07:42
Mary
Oh my God.
01:07:43
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Vicki, what is it?
01:07:44
Mary
I literally never thought about that before.
01:07:45
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Vicki, what is it?
01:07:45
E 🎅 & S🤶
How that not their tagline?
01:07:46
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
what What is a tight bond? The reason you married me.
01:07:54
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Oh, God. I mean, one of them, but gee whiz.
01:07:59
E 🎅 & S🤶
ah what else What else do they offer in here?
01:08:00
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Okay.
01:08:04
E 🎅 & S🤶
um Well, Bill has got bits and bits.
01:08:04
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Sarah?
01:08:08
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Vicky, what are bits and bits?
01:08:08
E 🎅 & S🤶
Bits of bits?
01:08:11
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Got nothing.
01:08:13
E 🎅 & S🤶
so
01:08:13
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
sarah Sarah, what are bits and bits?
01:08:17
E 🎅 & S🤶
Well, bits and bits is all the bits you need to- Nope. Full stop. All the bits you need.
01:08:26
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah, period.
01:08:27
Mary
I mean, that's not a bad tagline.
01:08:27
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Sarah, let's let's let's not a let's not forget about the micro jig, because who needs a large jig when you can have a micro jig?
01:08:35
E 🎅 & S🤶
That's unfortunate.
01:08:44
E 🎅 & S🤶
I am genuinely curious. what What do either of you think lamello is? It sounds like a lip balm.
01:08:54
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
does It does. It sounds like it does. It sounds like a lit a premium lip balm or some kind of delicious cocktail.
01:08:59
E 🎅 & S🤶
Hello. Hello. hello Because we all know that the saw just makes your lips dry.
01:09:04
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
oh
01:09:09
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
You've got that right.
01:09:10
E 🎅 & S🤶
Honestly, though, honestly, though, a lamello on the rocks does sound like a drink that one could order.
01:09:14
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
It does sound like a drink.
01:09:14
Mary
It does sound.
01:09:16
E 🎅 & S🤶
That should be a thing that we do at like Workbench God.
01:09:19
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Sorry, Keith.
01:09:20
E 🎅 & S🤶
Sorry, Keith.
01:09:23
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
do de Does everyone know that this fine location is at 390 Pike Road, Unit 2, Huntington Valley, Pennsylvania?
01:09:23
E 🎅 & S🤶
Oh.
01:09:35
E 🎅 & S🤶
Hey, Vicky, you read my mind. I didn't think you were going to get to that part.
01:09:41
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Okay, well, that was one heck of an effort.
01:09:43
Mary
Wow.
01:09:48
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Never to be repeated. And with that, we would like to thank our new patron since the last show, Joseph Yanis.
01:09:53
E 🎅 & S🤶
Big joke.
01:10:00
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Thank you, Joseph. We appreciate you. Thank you, Joseph.
01:10:02
E 🎅 & S🤶
big joke
01:10:03
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
You keep the mics hot and the lights on, as my wife likes to say.
01:10:07
E 🎅 & S🤶
What and I still, as I said before, the greatest piece of content I've ever put out on the internet.
01:10:07
Mary
Also, I'm impressed we got any patrons after that, the the other last ad read.
01:10:07
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
All right.
01:10:10
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
i me Me too, Mary.
01:10:13
Mary
It's like a 20 minute long ad read.
01:10:13
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Me too.
01:10:21
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Well, Eric, that's a... Never to be talked. All right, so we were going to do Whibs Debate Club and have the woodworkers on one side be anti-woodworking and the girls who don't do woodworking, ah the girls meaning like Sarah and Victoria, I don't mean Mary.
01:10:40
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Sarah and Victoria the be like pro-woodworking.
01:10:40
Mary
Thanks.
01:10:45
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
ah Or we were thinking maybe Victoria, ah you and I could go at it for more marit marital issues.
After-show Preview and Holiday Wishes
01:10:54
E 🎅 & S🤶
this is what This is what's happening in the after shell.
01:10:55
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
When do I get to talk about the time you cut your thumb off and we had headlamps on it one in the morning in the grass looking for the piece of your thumb so the dog didn't eat it?
01:10:57
E 🎅 & S🤶
I'm here for this.
01:11:02
E 🎅 & S🤶
Ooh.
01:11:05
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
When do we get to talk about that?
01:11:06
E 🎅 & S🤶
We're going to, OK, so this is what we're opening the after show with. So join us in the, if you want to be a part of the after show to witness Vicky telling us about the time that Paul emasculated his hand and ah then we go into deep marital counseling because the debate club is going to be about how Vicky wants to give Paul's work away for free, then you can join us on Patreon and watch the after show over there.
01:11:09
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Okay.
01:11:31
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Thank you, Eric. That was a lovely summary, which I'm not- Silky segue.
01:11:33
E 🎅 & S🤶
yeah
01:11:36
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
All right. And with that, we're going to end our special holiday segment. and We hope you've enjoyed hearing a very different point of view than the three of us normally give. Sarah, thank you.
01:11:47
E 🎅 & S🤶
And thanks thanks to Sarah and Vicky for joining us.
01:11:49
Mary
Yeah, thank you so much.
01:11:49
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah.
01:11:49
E 🎅 & S🤶
You guys were fantastic.
01:11:49
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Thank you, Vicki, for your honesty and your humor and yeah and your deep cuts.
01:11:54
E 🎅 & S🤶
this is
01:11:56
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
We appreciate you being on this episode. Thank you. It's my pleasure.
01:12:01
E 🎅 & S🤶
And hey, ah happy holidays, merry Christmas, happy New Year, all the things to all the people. I believe this episode is dropping on Christmas Day.
01:12:08
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
On Christmas day.
01:12:10
E 🎅 & S🤶
On Christmas Day, or so what a celebration to be had.
01:12:10
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yep.
01:12:14
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Everyone enjoy.
01:12:15
E 🎅 & S🤶
ah We appreciate all you guys.
01:12:17
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yep.
01:12:18
E 🎅 & S🤶
It's been a hell of a year. You guys are amazing.
01:12:20
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Enjoy your holidays. Don't fret. Everything's going to be fine. All right, everyone. We'll see you in the after show.
01:12:27
E 🎅 & S🤶
Okay, bye.
01:12:28
Mary
Bye!
01:12:28
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Bye.