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EP. 22 Candyman (1992)
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In honor of the late Tony Todd, the guys review his most iconic role in Candyman. They also discuss recent physical media pickups. Nick talks about some recent theater experiences and Gerald has beef with curtains?
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Introduction and Cult Classics
00:00:00
Speaker
Hello and welcome to episode 22 of Two Guys One Scream. My name is Nick. And I'm Gerald. And today, the 1992 cult class, I feel like every movie we we review, someone throws her around the word cult classic. Do you think that's, is that how it's going? That we review, yeah. I feel like we call, them do we call a lot of movies cult classes on this podcast? Yeah, probably, but I feel like we do.
00:00:31
Speaker
Oh, I don't have the list of movies we reviewed here, but we definitely called trick or treat a cult classic. For sure. Yeah, it was. And now that's mainstream. What are you banging over there? My phone. That's the case. A classic.
00:00:51
Speaker
I grew the animator cult classic. I agree with that. Friday, 13th, just a classic. It's just a classic. Yeah. The Descent.
00:01:06
Speaker
Almost mainstream. Yeah. we We probably called it a cult classic on the episode. Right. I mean, everything from like 2007 backwards, that's cult classic, right? We're a cult classic podcast. Sure.
Tribute to Tony Todd and Candyman
00:01:21
Speaker
um Anyways, I don't think I so i actually said the title Candyman from 1992, the OG, not the the sequel, which we can talk about briefly, but ah we had a sudden change of heart after the the passing of the iconic, he's not even call clouds, he's iconic, Tony Todd, which is just like taking more good ones, man. Fucking sucks to lose Tony Todd. Yeah, he's been in a lot of things. Yeah, I pulled up his um iconic roles
00:01:59
Speaker
that I was looking at. Obviously, he's best known for Kane, which is why Gerald and I decided to ah review it. um But he voice acted Venom in ah the Insomniac Spider-Man games, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, Spider-Man 2, the one that came out last year. Oh, no, I didn't play. Whoopsie.
00:02:22
Speaker
ah It said they have him as the funeral director and found destination, which I'm pretty sure he was in more than one found destination, wasn't he? Yeah, he made more than one appearance. He was also in Transformers Revenge of the Fallen. People know that movie. Night of Living Dead. He was Ben. Oh, yeah, the the remake or whatever. Yeah, the remake. Oh, I didn't realize this is the remake.
00:02:50
Speaker
um He was Grange in the Crow. Don't like that movie. Sorry. ah What else do they have here? And then he was also in that movie that I've been promoting since the Art the Clown podcast ah stream that ah David Howard Thornton was in. Was he like a small role? Very. It was a cameo, yeah, but he's in it. I feel like feel like a lot of his roles are cameos.
00:03:20
Speaker
i I mean, it's just so interesting that a guy like Kimmy has He does Candyman. He was also in the Candyman sequel while we're here. But. He has this one big iconic role as Candyman, and then he kind of I mean, I don't want to say he falls off because everybody loves him, but like.
Nick's Critique of 'Heretic'
00:03:40
Speaker
They much. No. ah I remember he's he has a brief cameo in the first hatchet movie. He plays like a voodoo doctor. We sucks, by the way. He was also a platoon.
00:03:56
Speaker
Really? Yeah, I guess so. That's what it says. Hoon, huh? I don't remember him in Platoon. I remember Keith David.
00:04:06
Speaker
um But yeah, you know, rest in peace to the legend Tony Todd. That's why we're doing this this episode in honor of him. We were going to give you a review of was it supposed to be heretic this week. It was and then.
00:04:23
Speaker
Let me let me do that. It was mid and then Tony Todd died. So we were like fuck it. Throw it out. Throw her away. Let me. Yeah, I mean, we. I don't know. I don't know if heretic deserves a throw her away button necessarily, but. I wrote in my review, there's a lot of like. It challenges religion and beliefs, but then by the end,
00:04:53
Speaker
maybe kind of goes back on it a little bit. Also, I think my eyes are cooked, dude. You know, I've been complaining that I can't see anything in the dark. Yeah. Like all the night scenes look dark to me. I was in this theater. And if you spoilers for heretic just incoming, be careful. ah They spend a lot of time in the movie in a basement. And there's no lights. So it's just dark. And then like his whole house, like you've seen the trailer like a maze almost. Right.
00:05:21
Speaker
You know, it's like very, very dark. And I was like, I can't fucking see any of this. I just couldn't make any of it out. And I was like, I don't know really what's going on. So I think my eyes are cooked. Or it looked bad. One of the two, one of the two. Have you seen other movies that are doing that to you as well? Yeah, I feel like I've complained on this podcast movies that were too dark. I'll try. I don't know. i even But like I was in a dark movie, the like it should be easy to watch, right? Sure. It's the whole point, right?
00:05:52
Speaker
Yeah. Um, are you going to go get your eyes checked? I'm thinking about it. I don't know. You're like, I can't see dark movies. Can you help me? Yeah. Or I'd be like, look, I want to get my eyes checked and see what they say. I mean, I know I'm not supposed to have a night vision, but same time really couldn't make out a lot of stuff. But, uh, I don't know if I should say that we both don't believe in God as we've, as we've mentioned on
Theater Experiences and 'Venom 3'
00:06:18
Speaker
this podcast. True. So I do feel like people who.
00:06:22
Speaker
ah Believe in God or who are part of a religion, which no, you know, no shame to you but if you are you'd probably get more out of this than Gerald or I would I think it's fair to say ah Hugh Grant is also very good in this movie. I mean, I think this is like one of his best performances as an actor ah He's very like dumb dumb decisions not One of those No, it just the vibe and like what the movie was and what it was going for just didn't really resonate with me. I think they're trying to unpack a lot and don't let some of the topics breathe. No, I mean, OK. Yeah. um
00:07:12
Speaker
But I mean, there are like a lot of the the dialogue about religion and belief is really fascinating and like what like Hugh Grant's character's perspective is and these two girls that are from the Mormon church are trying to say. And essentially, you know, again, this is spoilers for heretic. So if you have want to go see it, you know, skip passes or whatever, or don't. um Essentially, Hugh Grant does not really believe in organized religion. And he's trying to prove that to them. ah And it's it's a
00:07:42
Speaker
ah a lot of the first two thirds of the movie are about like blindly believing in something and Hugh Grant's more of like the Practical like I just you know See it to believe it kind of guy Yeah, it's hard to really prove any of this and his character kind of believes it's all like it's all rooted in one original Religion he calls it and then I'm not gonna reveal that religion but the reveal of that is kind of a fucking bummer and No, I will say this through most of the movie. I'm like, oh, he was a Satanist. That'd be lit. And then he's not. And I was like, God's thanks. But OK, that would have been better, huh? Yeah, I think so. I'm between a three and a three and a half on the movie. It's very much a thriller, not really a horror.
00:08:25
Speaker
um But I hope people go see it. I don't know. It has the eight twenty four tag, so people are going to go fucking see it.
'Gladiator 2' Preview and Denzel Discussion
00:08:32
Speaker
ah People are going to suck its dick, then.
00:08:37
Speaker
Yeah. Um, I also wanted to, uh, to, to mention a couple, um, other theater experiences I've had to you because I haven't had a chance to tell you about it. Okay. Um, last week I went to a 10 30 showing.
00:09:00
Speaker
I went to a 10 30 10 30 pm showing uh for venom the last dance Yeah, so I I did see that you logged that on letterbox. Was that when I was in mexico? Uh, I think No, it was you were already back. but We couldn't record because I had some stuff going on Okay. Uh, yeah, but I was I was in new york. I went to a regal as we were discussing on uh That episode about pepsi verse coke. I forgot which one was it was already was it the og regal?
00:09:33
Speaker
Yeah, the OG regal. I mean, I did the whole circle. The OG regal, the OG ah Walmart didn't go to the OG Best Buy because fuck you Best Buy. No reason. No reason. No reason to. um And I go, dude, I was like, why the fuck am I going to this the whole time? And I went for this. Oh, dude, I paid $18. Plus, plus the soda that I got. Oh, no.
00:10:00
Speaker
I walk, and you know how it is over there, like this this mall ah might as well be in Cabrini Green for as far as I'm concerned. It is. it's not It's not great. And I go in and there's a family of like, it's a mom and a dad, and then they have three kids. And you know, like our like how a regal has like a lobby, all movie theaters have a lobby of sorts.
00:10:27
Speaker
um But these kids are just running around this fucking lobby and nothing pisses me off more than kids They're like not being managed by their parents. Oh me eitherer and then yesterday I get an Alamo I went so fucking one and these kids are throwing a football in the hallway of the movie theater Having a full-blown catch in the movie theaters where these parents were they there? What are you doing? Oh? Don't know I don't know but I want these kids were probably like 12 13. I want to kick them both in the head um Anyways back to venom 3 I Go sit down when I bought my ticket. It had one other seat occupied. This is a mat like a big regal theater I'm the only one in it and then this whole family walks in and I'm like, oh God fucking damn it
00:11:18
Speaker
ah I've only seen one movie, uh, where it was just me and like my fiance in it. It was great. Which one was that? Oh, it was Joker too. So the movie was bad, but the, you know, I think by yourself was nice. Yeah. its It really is nice to be by yourself. Um, but these kids and his family come in into fucking venom three and venom three is so wildly unfunny.
00:11:44
Speaker
And these kids and like the parents were like laughing at all of it. And I was like, come guys, come on. ah But in case you're wondering, spoiler for them three, it's not good. Why did I go see it? I don't know. ah But it's yeah it's not it's not good. It really is not great. I was ah very disappointed in it. We purposely didn't put it on the schedule because we knew it was going to be bad. Right. Yes.
00:12:13
Speaker
ah And then I guess we should tell them because I think it happened in between our recordings. Uh, I just want to shout out letterboxed real quick because they emailed me an offer to go see gladiator too early. And I was like, sure. And it was like a Google form that you have to fill out and like when a lotto to get in essentially. So I filled that shit out like 50 times. Yeah. I was like, I don't want to lose and I'm not going to be going to this thing.
00:12:44
Speaker
ah But I I did end up getting selected which was fucking hype so I have seen Gladiator 2 which we're reviewing next week. I'm probably gonna go see it again. I think good just to just to Refresh my memory, but I I think I know where I fall on it. I'll just say this You know a little teaser. Give me a little tease too. Yeah, I'll give you a little tease. How you done? um There are um Reviews online that give this movie like four or four and a half, five star. And I'm like, yeah, I agree with that. There are also reviews that give this movie like a star and a half, two stars. And I'm like, yeah, I also agree with that. So that's where I'm at. Uh, my rating on the movie is TBD emphasis on the D. How you doing? Are you, you really liked the original, correct?
00:13:42
Speaker
Dude, I went home and re-watched the original the same night. My boss was like, how long were you fucking awake for? I'm like, it doesn't fucking matter. I was going to say, the first one's a long one. It's like almost three hours. Yeah. Yeah. I am a big fan. and I hadn't seen the first one a couple of years I re-watched it. It's really hard to beat, like, just the cast of characters and the performance in the first one of, like, Russell Crowe and Joaquin Phoenix kind of spearheading it. That movie's, like, so amazing. So it's really hard to top it. You know what I mean?
00:14:12
Speaker
So how big of a role does ah Pedro Pascal have in it? Oh, glad you want me to say that now. Well, just tell me how like how big of a role does he have, because I'm very excited for him. Not as big as you think. Damn it. It's a what's ah what's that guy's name, Paul Mezcal? Yeah, it's his movie. He's the main character. He's like Russell Crowe, essentially.
00:14:38
Speaker
OK, spoiler, OK. I don't want to say anything. Yeah, that's fair. He's not he's not Russell Crowe. It's not a prequel. It it happens after. No, no, no. Yeah, right. But it's like he's there. There's some and
Physical Media Collection
00:14:51
Speaker
there's some there is some. We'll just keep it off the air. ah What was I going to say? Oh, you ready for this hot take? I mean, it's actually I was going to I was going to say it for Gladiator 2 episode, but I'm going to say it now and you can come what you think afterwards.
00:15:07
Speaker
OK, this is this is going to be hot. This is probably one of the hottest things I have. In my my Rolodex. Hotter than how to what? That cat and hats, good movie. Is that hot? We both think that. Yeah, but I feel like people think people meme that movie. We're reviewing it, by the way. That's a spoiler. We're reviewing it. When is it going to come out? We don't know.
00:15:36
Speaker
um Gladier too. Denzel Washington's best role. Oh, whoa. Over everything. Over everything? Here I am. I said it. Training day, man on fire, whatever you want to throw at me. Man on fire sucks.
00:15:57
Speaker
um what Whatever, whatever role. Flight but better than flight. Oh, yup. Yup. Whoa, baby. Yup. That's hot.
00:16:09
Speaker
Yup, that's how I feel. Denzel Washington is not a gladiator to review, but he he does a lot of heavy lifting in this movie. Just say that. OK. Anyways, shout out to Letterboxd. I was fucking thrilled to go see a movie early. I was seeing it earlier than ah some of the influencers online that review film. So that was kind of cool. Thank you very much, Letterboxd. I wildly appreciate it. Letterboxd, not a sponsor, but not a sponsor. Not sponsored, but we love you. Also shout out to Tyler, who just got a letterboxed. Our biggest fan, we convinced him. Shadow Tyler. um Letterbox, I'm waiting for my check, because I have now gotten three people to get letterboxed. Actually, it's five. I'm pretty sure I've gotten five people to get letterboxed now. Yeah. I got i really got to subscribe to the the big big tier. You can get the pro one if you want. Start out slow. I want to change my johns, though. Yeah, changing the johns is nice. Yeah.
00:17:08
Speaker
Uh, should we do a little.
00:17:16
Speaker
So follow us on Instagram, two guys, one screen pod, send any comments, concerns, requests to two guys, one screen pod at gmail dot.com. Follow our letterbox. The links are in the description. What is the current situation with the tick tock news update on a tick tock. Uh, we are up and running. We're up and running, dude. We're good.
00:17:37
Speaker
Uh, we are not going to shut out. We're going to shut out our TikTok account, but not TikTok itself because it likes to flag every single a clip that I put up there. The we have we have a new one. Uh, I already read. No, ah the old like the the link for the new account went in the last episode. So we're we're chilling. It is the same link. If you follow the old pages, though, from like way back before like November even started. It's not, it doesn't exist anymore. So go follow the new, just click the new link, make sure you're following the new account. It looks the exact same. Essentially, we just turned my personal account into the podcast page.
00:18:19
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ah
00:18:21
Speaker
Yeah, there' was a lot there's a lot of clips up there. If you wanna see some clips that aren't on the Instagram yet, ah they're up there already. Breaking news. Breaking news. Terrifier three arrives on VOD November 26th. VOD.
Review of 'Dog Soldiers'
00:18:35
Speaker
Oh, yeah that was the that was the end of my ah Venom 3 story. ah When I left Venom 3, I caught the end of Terrifier 3 in a different theater. Oh, you just snuck in? Yeah, there was no way. It was literally, it was like 1 a.m. almost. I just walked in. It was just like they had they had her Ciena strapped to the chair. Hey then. um I just watched from there to the end. It was great. Shout out, Art the Clown, again. Love you. ah We do love you no matter what. And also I ordered that umbrella join, which I think we might have spoken about in this podcast. Yo, my hush 4k is out for delivery today. I did not get my. So what where did you order yours through? Screen. Oh, I didn't mind through Amazon. Mm. Because it was on Amazon buying other drawings that I talked about last week.
00:19:29
Speaker
Uh, so yeah, there's that but in the realm of physical media pickups, do we transition now to our physical media pickups for the week? That's a good one right there. Uh, do you want to go or I'll go? I'll go. All right. So yeah, spoiler, uh, my hush, uh, 4k, uh, it will be here at sometime today, hopefully.
00:19:54
Speaker
Who the fuck knows what screen factory they say it's out. Who knows? Um, but the, but the poster version lit. Um, so yeah. Uh, criterion is having their November 50% off sale at Barnes and Nobles. So.
00:20:13
Speaker
I swung by, ah dropped $75, but three movies, not bad. Hey, I got the two criterions, one being funny games, which big W, big W for $20. Yeah, big W. um If you haven't seen funny games, it's on max. What are you doing?
00:20:40
Speaker
What are you doing? Still a amazing movie. Second watch. Better than The Strangers. Better than The Strangers. I'll admit it. I'll admit it. It is. My fiance was a little mediocre on it, but it's fine. Her ratings fucking suck, dude. Hey, fuck you. Shout out
Exploring 'Candyman's' Social Commentary
00:21:01
Speaker
to everybody. Your ratings suck. Yeah. This is what it is. You said about two, four and a half stars. What the fuck? Oh, I actually...
00:21:09
Speaker
I forgot I had this. The fuck you mean? The fuck you mean? OK. um The and then I picked up the newly released ah Criterion 4K of the 1954 OG Godzilla. That which is hype. I had to watch that movie. Oh, no. Do you? well I want to watch before I buy the Criterion Criterion. This might be hot. All right. All right.
00:21:41
Speaker
Movies kinda mid. That's not hot. Movies kinda mid. It probably is mid, it came out what, 54? 54, so I'm a little upset at Criterion, all right? Let me just, the packaging is fantastic, all right? Packaging. As all, as you come to expect. As you come to expect. The 4K transfer is a little lacking.
00:22:09
Speaker
as far as like sharpness. Sharpness, now they they claim that it's from the one of the original master negatives. My question is, how perfect can the master negative be from 1954, right? Yeah, it probably isn't amazing. Probably hard to find. But my biggest complaint is there's no HDR on the 4K. So when you're watching it, it looks like what, a DVD?
00:22:38
Speaker
It it looks like a You know how like candy man. We have the candy man a screen drawing. Yeah, right and that is a ah That's a like a 4k remaster, but on the blu-ray Right. It kind of looks like that. Although it's a 4k disc Yeah, I see we're saying I don't think candy man looks bad No, can I walk to yesterday? Yeah Yeah, they just didn't execute Yeah, I mean, when I- I buy my, uh, black and white movies on 4K, right? Because- Yeah, of course you have to. Right, I want my d**k to be punchy, right? Uh, your d**ks aren't really punchy. Excuse me? You know what I'm saying? Uh, no. No! Wait, that's- Hey, yo! You said twice, too!
00:23:37
Speaker
I know who wasn't punchy. Mike Tyson. Fuck you. All right. Anyway, um what the fuck was that fight, dude? You watch it. I know it. They had internet had internet issues. Well, what so I was I wasn't having in internet issues until the that fight. Right. That's what I'm saying. They had they had air internet connectivity issues. I saw the first two rounds and then I didn't see anything else.
00:24:02
Speaker
Yeah. Fuck you, Netflix. All right. All right. And the NFL is going to be on their Christmas day. Yeah. All right. All right. This is going on. p
00:24:15
Speaker
ah So my last ah physical media pickup ah is the 4K by Keno Lorber of the Cabinet of Dr. Caligari. I know that's what you've been looking for for a long time. Yeah, it's been out for about a month. They didn't have it when we were there.
00:24:31
Speaker
Uh, me and you. Right. And John's and noble. John's and noble. Yeah. I was very upset because the Kenos were 50% off at that point. So, uh, but this time it was 30% off. So it was fine. that That might be the nicest Barnes noble I've been in. It's pretty goddamn good. As far as the physical media section is concerned, it's pretty nice over there. Better than the, uh, blank mall.
00:25:00
Speaker
The Cabrini Greenfall out of the Cabrini Greenwall. We'll drop it. Doesn't matter. We don't live there. Palisades, the Palisades, Barnes and Noble. Oh, but you know who does live there? Can't say his name.
00:25:12
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ah
00:25:17
Speaker
Palisades, I haven't I haven't been there in so long. Maybe it's just recency bias, I guess. It's possible. It's a contender. um No way. It's not a contender. It's definitely better than Poughkeepsie.
00:25:30
Speaker
Well, yeah, well, yeah, I mean, okiwes wait yeah, it's just what it is. All right. I'll speaking of Johns and Noble, ah you and I got a couple of the same Schlitzes over there ah that I was going to share. I don't remember which three they were now that I'm looking at it, but ah I know I got this one there for sure. I got we both upgraded. I've never seen this in the while before until we went to Barnes and Noble.
00:26:00
Speaker
Sweeney Todd 4k Yeah, I never seen it on 4k interesting story in life. Yes, so um Paramount did like the big box collection. It was called the Paramount screams or whatever bag big backyard. Sorry eight So it had a bunch of horror movies like pet cemetery ah the Crawl Sweeney Todd I remember this. Yeah And when that was announced, everybody was like, I mean, everybody, maybe not everybody, but just me, it was like, yo, this is the debut of Sweeney Todd on 4k. Why the fuck you putting in a box set? I'm not going to buy the box set physical media enthusiasts. So, you know, they eventually announced it on 4k standalone. I didn't fucking care when it came out, but found it and bought it. So there's that W. Uh, speaking of,
00:27:00
Speaker
in the In the black and white realm, ah the 4K Frankenstein steelbook. It is, first of all, steelalwork steelbook is gorgeous. Really beautiful, and the movie's good. I gave it a three and a half, already watched it. ah the The goal is to get all those drawings that they've released for Universal Horror, classic monster movies on steel. Have a nice little section for those on the wall somewhere. On the wall? Nope, on the shelf.
00:27:30
Speaker
Uh, that's what I meant to say. No, I want to get to complete the collection. Get if it's on sale. You know what? If my Walmart has it on clearance, I'll buy it for you. I well, you know what? I saw it on clearance for twenty seven. I put it back. Yeah, that's not clear. It was a clearance was air quotes, by the way. So boring. Yeah, it was. I haven't seen it. I didn't the rest are the rest. Cut that.
00:27:59
Speaker
ah Lastly a movie you gifted me and I've watched dog soldiers Our man's our man's maybe just my man's Neil Marshall who? Also directed the descent and I was like what what happened to this guy cuz this movie dog soldiers got sauce bro some serious sauce ah Really nice. Have you seen it a long time ago? He said right. I'm gonna go shut it editor shutter um Really nice practical effects, some pretty ah decent acting and the ending isn't, you know, it's not like a happy ending. So I respect that. I give it a four to five. I think it's a great movie. And then I was like, I was like, why is Neil Marshall not directing more movies? What happened to him? Right. And I know what happened to him. He directed the remake of Hellboy in 2019. We've just never heard from him since. That's a tough one.
00:28:58
Speaker
ah so So, anyways, Neil Marshall, come back with something cool, something horror, in the horror vein, make something else.
Analysis of 'Candyman' as a Horror Film
00:29:08
Speaker
It was dark, right? Transfer was a little rough? Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Yeah, not even dark, it just looked like I was watching it on a DVD or a VHS on a potato, sure.
00:29:25
Speaker
ah Yeah, it wasn't great in the beginning, but I'll be honest as the movie progressed it didn't look as bad Okay, I think the first like 30 to 40 minutes are pretty rough or my eyes just adjusted. I don't know but ah The back half I didn't even have a problem with it the reveal of like these ah Go ahead. We're we're John's the we're John's. Yeah, they're the werewolves. They actually they look pretty fucking cool Yeah, and this guy gets his Guts like fucking split open. He's just literally hanging out of his stomach for like half the movie. That's a spoiler, but... Maybe we'll review it for next Halloween. walking What can you do? ah The other thing we should briefly talk about just for a moment ah is that we're sorry and we fucked up. ah Because we released our last episode, Long Legs, Long Jawns, on November the 5th.
00:30:19
Speaker
And it was not the vendetta, which is literally one of my all time favorite movies. And we're sorry, and we'll do better next year. It's in the works for next year. Yeah. November 5, whatever day that happens to be, it's coming out. It's coming out. Lock it in now. ah I did watch the movie again. And god damn, is that a fucking great movie? I don't care what anybody says.
00:30:43
Speaker
That movie was that movie was ah made in like 2005. It's like 20 years later and we're living in a fucking bizarro world version of that movie. Those are the physical media pickups I would say for this ah for this week.
00:30:56
Speaker
um We'll transition over to Candyman. All right, so I will ah read you the cast that I don't have pulled up, classic. um
00:31:09
Speaker
cult classic decision by you there.
00:31:15
Speaker
we ah We both watched this on a screen factory Blu-ray, as Gerald mentioned, to 4K scan. This movie was directed by Bernard Rose, who hasn't done anything else that I've seen. And nothing that sounds familiar, but he did make this movie, so there's that.
00:31:40
Speaker
Uh, here's your cast. Virginia Madsen plays Helen Lyle. Uh, she was in the original Lynch Dune. That movie sucks. Sorry. Tony Todd is Candyman. Uh, Alexander Berkeley is one of the worst characters to ever exist. Trevor Lyle. Yeah. I mean, what a piece of shit that guy is. God. Uh, Casey or Cassie Lemons is Bernadette Walsh.
00:32:09
Speaker
ah Vanessa Williams and Marie McCoy. And Dijon Guy is Jake, who, his letterbox picture is as like a full grown adult, which is kind of crazy, because he's a kid in this movie. ah And I did want to shout out, let me find it, because I did hear this on the House of Cinema podcast, shout out to him, that there is a cameo in the beginning of the movie from, is it Billy?
00:32:38
Speaker
Sam Raimi's brother, Ted Raimi. Yeah, he plays Billy. Plays Billy. ah There he is, Ted Raimi, who looks fucking like Sam Raimi. They're probably twins. I mean, look at this man. Yeah. Anyways, you know what he looks like. what's The listener out there. Oh, he was in Darkman? I didn't know that. Is he a main drawn?
00:33:10
Speaker
Rick. Oh, let's plug this in over there. You know, or else I saw. Yeah, that's all right. Well, I'll just rearrange it. ah Smile to walk your scene. Oh, yeah. Smile to you and I both are kind of lukewarm on smile one. I think they should just made this the first movie.
00:33:33
Speaker
I think I this one's good. This one's I mean if you like jump scares, you're gonna get jump scared for sure You're gonna get scared. Okay, they're they they don't stop ah And the worst part is you like your mind is like it's coming. It's coming. It's coming and then it happens and you still get scared. Oh So they do it good. It's not yes, you know, yeah, they're good. Yeah also Jack Nicholson's son is in the movie and
00:34:05
Speaker
Do I think this? This is like a warmish take. I would not be opposed to seeing him get cast as...
00:34:15
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Jack Torrance as Joker. Oh, he has a well, first of all, his smiles all over the smile posters right there around and he it it looks creepy, but also he has a scene in the movie where he's like maniacally laughing and I was like Joker Cook. Hmm.
00:34:38
Speaker
Anyways, I enjoyed it. I think they should just made it the first one. And they also actually have like some social commentary like throughout the film, which I think actually hits a little bit and works with the movie versus the first one. So right. Because we're in the age of. Woke horror. I don't think this is woke, though. OK, this is this does not come off as woke to me. This comes off as a. That's just as just a horror movie that has some cause Spoilers for smile to spoil for smile to The main character like the singer lady she's a but recovering alcoholic ah Drug user, okay, right and they use um The smile demon whatever it is almost like a metaphor of as like ah this thing is destroying my life and the people around me and I won't let destroy anybody else and
00:35:38
Speaker
It's kind of on the nose at times, but it does work as like a metaphor for addiction and alcoholism. Okay, so I liked it. Anyways, they could have cut out Smile 1 and just made this movie instead, but it is what it is. They also could have cut out ah Venom 2 Let There Be Carnage and just made Venom 3.
00:36:01
Speaker
Anyways, or just we'll go get that as the original Venom just one one off just one one movie. Yeah um Speaking of social commentary candy man 1992 Well, what we should say as far as historical context is Cabrini greens a real place real and they did film on-site And that community and that community did get taken down, like demolished after the movie came out like five, three years later. Ninety five. Cabrini Green was like permanently destroyed as a result or.
00:36:43
Speaker
I was as a direct result of the movie, but I mean, the movie was definitely one candy man came out. They were definitely commenting on ah the what is the word?
00:36:55
Speaker
the social ah gap, wealth gap, which I don't wanna say it didn't hit for me, cause like I acknowledge it, ah but I think this movie tries to tackle a lot of different social topics and at times can feel like it gets spread a little too thin. And there's just too much, there's just they're just trying to tackle too much and it's like, let's just stick to like one thing.
00:37:26
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, as white males, I, the, the one big, you know,
00:37:36
Speaker
message, I feel like we can't really relate to, uh, race obviously plays a very big point in this movie. Um, and I don't see, I personally, I don't see candy man as really like a villain per se.
00:37:53
Speaker
like an anti hero, almost like an anti hero, right? Um, because you have this, uh, white woman who is doing this report about, uh, this death that happened at Cabrera green, right? And she's basically, she's trying to financially gain or popularity gain off of the, uh, black Community percent. Yeah, it right it's exploitation. Yeah, it's exploitation. Yeah what it is. She's she's exploiting the ah Tragedy It's for her own gain and you're I Don't know it's a little I don't want to say distasteful right but Well for her for her short
00:38:53
Speaker
I mean, there is she has a.
00:38:58
Speaker
ah ah A line that I was like, I kind of hits, she was like an entire community starts attributing their the daily horrors of their lives to a
Comparing 'Candyman' to Other Social Issue Films
00:39:06
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mystical figure. Which is like she's just kind of assuming like.
00:39:12
Speaker
There's gang violence. There's crime going on in these ghettos, which shout out and ah we can complete that. you i I think the exploitation angle and her trying to profit, and you know, she's like talking with Bernadette. She's like, oh, we're going to get published now. ah That side of it is interesting. ah But like you said, we're both white males, not that we don't acknowledge it. I just don't relate to it. Right.
00:39:42
Speaker
I just feel like that like the the message is kinda all over the place. and i Maybe it's not for us as much, but I feel like the social people, like this is like a ah very ah social, commentary-heavy kind of movie, and I just don't think they do a great job ah showing that or making that commentary like known.
00:40:09
Speaker
like We can cut this or or whatever, but like, yeah, there's crime in the ghetto. Like, that's not. Social commentary. That's not social commentary to me. Yeah. Is it is it wrong that ah a certain group has been ostracized and put in a certain area of it's supposed to be Chicago in Chicago?
00:40:36
Speaker
Uh, yeah, that's wrong. Of course. I just don't see how the, the candy man character fits into all that. I don't get that. I don't, and I've read like several, like, you know, reviews online and like what people think about this movie. I just don't see how candy man fits into this whole thing. Here's another thing, right? Besides the social commentary, like let's like as a slasher movie, what's the deal with the baby?
00:41:06
Speaker
I don't get that part. I really don't get it. If Candyman is not a figure that anybody else can see besides Helen. is he to How is he taking care of the baby? Who's who is taking care of that baby? she was She was put out for a month. Helen was. She was out cold for a whole month. Who's taking care of that baby? He is? and Can the bed baby suck in honey? that That baby was sucking honey off his finger or whatever? Right, I did see that. So he's like, is he feeding it honey?
00:41:36
Speaker
Which by the way, another crazy ass fact, those bees were real. Oh yeah, Tony Todd had those bitches in his mouth. And then did you hear about the, uh, he, he signed, negotiated his contract that for every sting that every time he was stung, he got a thousand dollars. That's 26, 26 times that's $26,000.
00:41:58
Speaker
That's a W man. I personally would never put bees in my mouth. That's kind of crazy, but I guess that the price is right Price is right. Yeah for sure. I'm not allergic like obviously he didn't take the part if he was allergic. That'd be fucked Yeah, cuz everyone uses real bees Yeah, but it makes like a Tony real bees Oh, it looks amazing. And the the also Clive Barker of Hellraiser was a producer on this film. So you get his practical effects and like gore, you know, match with this ah candy man character works really, really well. It's like bloody like stump hook thing looks awesome. The only scene that like really could I watch this last year that I really remembered of this movie was like the dog's head.
00:42:48
Speaker
because it's just like so visceral and gross. Just dog's head like singing out in the fucking hallway.
00:42:58
Speaker
yeah Also, what's the deal what's the deal with Candyman? He's possessing Helen? Is that what it is? Yeah. yeah Hypnotizing her. But is he inside of her? How are you doing? Is she? I don't think so.
00:43:20
Speaker
Because is she killing those people or is he doing it? Is he real? That's my thing. Is he real? I think Candy Man's real, yeah. are Are you saying that like it's all in her head? like She's going crazy? It might be. Which you know is shown in the movie. It could have been. i mean there' is the The part where I'm most suspect of that is the scene when ah Bernadette dies because Candy Man's in the house.
00:43:49
Speaker
Uh, with Helen and then, uh, Trevor walks in and Helen's lying on the floor, all bloody and holding a knife.
00:44:01
Speaker
Yeah, but I took it as candy man was staging it for Helen. You think came and went, put the knife in her hand was like, yet you did this. Yeah.
00:44:14
Speaker
Because Candyman kills the Dr. Burke and then like just jumps out the window with all time exit. All time exit. Sure. I don't know. I feel like that's a... I'm a little torn on this movie. The kills are good. The kills are great. I think there's plenty of like good body horror and like you know solid kills. And the Candyman character is interesting, for sure.
00:44:41
Speaker
The narrative for me, like I said, ah I don't know if it registers and that could be from ah coming from a place of privilege and it doesn't sound great, but also.
00:44:56
Speaker
The social commentary of like. A certain group of people being, you know, put in a ghetto is like.
00:45:08
Speaker
Yeah, it's fucking wrong. Right. like ah well I guess what I'm trying to say is there's not a lot of nuance to it. It's pretty on the head. It's just like, do you want to see my head? It's just it's just like it's like, yeah, thats this is this is
Horror Elements and Tony Todd's Performance
00:45:25
Speaker
wrong. And there's like, ah I don't know, there's movies that show the struggle of other ethnic groups better than this movie does. that I will make that claim.
00:45:38
Speaker
The first movie that came to mind was Boys in the Hood. they Great movie. um And there's obviously, you know, hundreds of other films, but. um
00:45:50
Speaker
Yeah, I think there that something is. Missing there, and I don't know if I like.
00:45:58
Speaker
If this movie as far as Candyman's relationship with like her and all the other stuff was like Candyman's a mystical figure or a supernatural being that's fine but I feel like the movie walks the line of like he's doing this and then she just happens to be there so it looks like she did it like the scene with Anne or Candyman is possessing her and she's killing these people and it looks like she's doing it. You know what I mean? Like he like. Because we know she didn't kill the baby. We know she didn't kill Dr. Burke, but everyone's like killed her.
00:46:47
Speaker
So so what is it? I don't know. I don't know. I just get kind of lost in the sauce. Now with the remake, right? Yeah.
00:46:59
Speaker
The. ah Is the main character white? No, it's Yahya Abdulmart Martin, what is it? yeah Yeah, what? Don't make fun of this man, come on. No, it's what is his name? It's Yahya Abdulmart Martin, ma not Martin Martin. No, it's a black cast. That I feel would have made it a lot better, the original. What do you mean?
00:47:31
Speaker
Oh, Helen was black? Yes. Well, they could have done that too, but they're trying to do they're trying to go on the exploitation angle. But I like. I just I don't really see it. It's kind of there a little bit, but it's not. Pronounced. Have you seen the remake? I have not.
00:47:58
Speaker
It's good. I mean there's some solid kills. I don't really recall too much of it. I know that ah Tony Todd does make an appearance in it. I had them at first rated both the same three and a half stars. okay Ooh, mid-level media gave it a star and a half.
00:48:18
Speaker
Shout out to mid-level media. Shout out mid-level media. I think... I mean, if if nothing, created a good villain in the horror genre. Yeah, but people don't talk about that much. No, maybe it's because of what the movie's about. I personally think it's because he's not internet internet enough.
00:48:53
Speaker
True. I haven't seen the sequels. I mean, I know they're bad, but neither have I. um So the first the second sequel, or yeah, the sequel ah is put out by Screen Factory and the third one I think is Vestron. Okay. um I can't see them being any better though, right? No.
00:49:18
Speaker
ah I think we could use more candy man in In the movie like you could have been there also I Cannot see you it is it is straight. We'll take Jesus Christ about to enter your fucking window dude There you go I Think the movie would have benefited from a little bit more of him in the film itself cuz he's like he's kind of there It's kind of not that scene in the parking garage, like when he first shows up, it's like kind of hype. Yeah, you know, they like.
Soundtrack Praise and Conclusion
00:49:55
Speaker
He's cool looking. Yeah, and then like like when he opens his fucking jacket, and it's like a just bees. Remind me of a nightmare. He's right there. Yeah.
00:50:09
Speaker
People, like why do you think this movie gets compared to Nightmare on Elm Street because it's psychological?
00:50:16
Speaker
that Like I hear it do people do compares to nightmare. Yeah, they do How for what reason that's why I'm asking you like is it just because it's in the psychological slasher genre Hmm because for me personally for me personally nightmare is a masterpiece the first nightmares a five out of five.
00:50:38
Speaker
I agree with what the fuck, son. Jesus. Don't you have like shades you can like turn a little shade on and like they're closed, dude. They're closed. Watch. I'll open it. Oh, I like it better. Oh, maybe they weren't closed all the way. Nope. Wait, I know. Fuck it. Nope. Maybe it maybe it's because.
00:51:03
Speaker
So a nightmare, you know, no one believes that Freddy's real, right? Because, uh, he's not coming after them. It's in your dreams, right? And Candyman is more of an, like an urban legend type. Which that's another interesting part too, of like, she's doing a study on urban legend. Right. And they cut her in with that. Yeah. Delve more deep into that.
00:51:33
Speaker
And like i like the beginning, I feel like it's really strong where it's like she's talking to these people and she's asking them, like, what have you heard about Candyman? What have you seen? What do you know? And she's kind of investigating the story. And then I feel like as the movie progresses, they kind of stray away from that low key. It's it's better and up until Candyman shows up, I feel.
00:51:57
Speaker
Yeah, I kind of agree with once all the once all the killings, ah besides like ah the first one, you know, with Annemarie and her the dog getting killed and Candyman kidnapping her son. Because that's good right there. Which, by the way, all time scream that whole part. Annemarie screaming. It was like fucking wildly like unnerving. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, her her baby is fucking gone. Well, look like it was a it looked like it fucking exploded in the crib.
00:52:30
Speaker
The crib was like covered in blood Yeah, the candy man like take the dog and like fucking spew his guts everywhere to like get all the blood Yeah from was it guts a gullet gullet to your gut something like that Yeah groin to your gullet was that what he said groin. Yeah, it's probably groin.
00:52:58
Speaker
Oh Was the person who directed this white? Yes. o Also heard that ah Candyman is based off a book. but and and the booker And in the book, I don't know. And in the book, Candyman is white. Really? Yeah. So did they change him to make a social statement? What is that statement?
00:53:30
Speaker
Oh, that's my question that I've been wondering since I watched the film last night. What is that statement? Where are they trying? I've literally googled Candyman social commentary on Google and not found the answer. Theme music is ah bang it a banger. I was thinking about that. The only music I'm going to say in the horror genre that I have over Candyman is going to be Saw.
00:53:59
Speaker
and saw honestly might be number one I'll be honest you I love that I mean when that music came on and saw X I like died ah you know what I'm talking about give me a second oh yeah no I get it so probably that one ah Michael Myers obviously I mean that that's just heat banger
00:54:28
Speaker
I like and then i Return of the Living Dead theme. Sure. Sure. And we obviously have to mention Halloween, three seasons of the witch. I'm just kidding. Get that fucking garbage out of here. Three more days till Halloween. Halloween. Halloween. That's pretty, pretty bad. ah But I think Candyman's top five. Some people include Jaws. If you want to include Jaws, I guess we could put Jaws in there. Is Jaws a horror movie?
00:54:58
Speaker
To me now, it's a creature feature, but I guess candy man's a horror movie. Yeah, it is. You're conjuring a spirit and he's killing people. I guess it's a horror movie. But is he there? Who knows?
00:55:16
Speaker
It's where I'm at with it. I'm trying to think of anything else, any other iconic horror sounds that I'm forgetting. I mean, Halloween one, right? Halloween one is pride number one or saw. And then pride can't even, to be honest. That's kind of a wild take, but it's how I feel. Re-animator is banging too. Re-animator is great. Anything with piano really fucking hits, right? okay but we so but So most, most movies. Thanks for narrowing that down for us. Really appreciate that.
00:55:55
Speaker
You know what I mean. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. And I'll kill the clowns. Theme from killer. Yeah. Movies mid. Sorry. Speaking of mid, what are you going to give Candy Man out of five? Also, before you say that, what was the last time you watched this movie? You said when the remake came out? Yeah, 2021. So it's been like three years for you? Yeah. I watched a movie last year only for the first time.
00:56:27
Speaker
um i get i'm giving it a three you know what you may i thought you liked me a lot more than you made it sound uh i'm also giving it a three i think that i i was made you i don't know i just i thought you liked because
00:56:48
Speaker
When Tony Todd died, you're like, yeah, gotta watch. Uh, gotta watch. Because I get why. Because Tony Todd makes the movie. I'm just putting it out there, right? Hey, that's not a hot take. The character of candy, man. I like Tony Todd. The actual movie itself.
00:57:15
Speaker
I'm not, you know.
00:57:18
Speaker
I feel like there's a reason that the Candyman franchise never really caught on, right? I haven't seen the sequels, but I'm sure you're right. If this is the best one, I don't know how they get better. Right. ah So all I know about the sequels is the second one. I'm pretty sure it was. I'm pretty sure the second one went to theaters, but the third one was direct to video. So that's someone's definitely not not good. No, it's never good if your movie goes direct to video.
00:57:48
Speaker
But the s sequel, ah the remake actually, I'm sorry, in 2021, I remember liking, maybe I'll watch that again soon and give you guys an update on how I think, what I think about it. Dude, just get some curtains, man. what Like, what's going on with this? You have no curtains? Been there for four years, no curtains? No curtains. Why not? the matter What are you curtains for? To black out girls, you can sleep. I don't know how to hang curtain rods here.
00:58:17
Speaker
I'll give you a hint. do You got these little drawings that hold the rod up. You put those on the wall and then you put the rod. I know, but there was never curtain rods.
00:58:28
Speaker
What do you mean there was never? You just install them. You just put them in the wall. I know, but the people that lived here before never had curtain rods either. Literally, how does that affect your life at all? Who cares, dude? You think the people that lived here before me had cats? I don't give a fuck. I have cats now.
00:58:47
Speaker
That is, dude, that is the wildest shit I think I've ever heard. The people who lived here for me didn't have curtains, so I will also not have curtains. What? No. so You are as fucking floppy as a piece of paper, dude. Listen, I want curtains. I fucking hate the sun, right? It's not... Well, four years says otherwise.
00:59:12
Speaker
but Been four years, you've been eating the sun's ass all this time. I want curtains. I want curtains. Yeah. I'm going to leave it at that. I want curtains. Get some fucking curtains. I got curtains in front of me right now. You live alone. You have the final say. I don't have the final say. Literally, what is the argument for no curtains?
00:59:39
Speaker
If there wasn't hypothetically if there was an argument, what is the argument for no curtains? She doesn't want to screw anything into the wall For what I don't know so but your security deposit That's what she's worried about I think You know you can just like spackle it and then just cover it up right they make that shit especially for like holes Also, how big of a screw do you think you're gonna put in there. It's like a tiny little nail Yeah, I think I'm also at a three star for this movie. ah I appreciate what it's trying to say, and I'm sure other people can relate to this on a different level than I can. And I can acknowledge that it happens, but I just feel like it's kind of like.
01:00:24
Speaker
Yes, this happens. Maybe this is more profound in the 1990s when it came out versus today because of social media and how much more aware we all are of what's going on because anybody can say anything. I mean, fuck, we have this podcast. You be sure people can just say whatever they want, put on the Internet. So I mean, bottom, unless you're unless you're our account on TikTok, then everything gets flagged. Follow us on Instagram. Two guys, one screen pod.
01:00:50
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01:01:02
Speaker
Yeah, hopefully we have more clips cooking this week. ah Hope you enjoyed our episode on Candyman. Let us know your thoughts on Candyman and rest in peace to a legend, Tony Todd. R-I-P.
01:01:20
Speaker
Uh, next week we're getting Glicked. I think that's what they're calling it. We're getting Glicked. Glicked. Oh, yeah. Barbenheimer. Yeah, it's a gladiator too. Glattier too. Wicked combo. I will say this, my boss didn had did not know what Wicked was.
01:01:40
Speaker
It was like sad. It's like a famous Broadway play. He's like, yeah, I don't know what that is. I'm like, oh, OK. um We'll see what happens with that. I am curious. I have i have some thoughts on Gladiator, too. So I'm excited for you to see it and the rest of the world to see it. um But until then, we'll see you guys next Tuesday. Toodles. Fuck you, Mark, little bitch.