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Application vs. Acquisition: Balancing Learning With Doing
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I recently posted a construct I developed a couple years ago and folks seemed to really like it, so figured it would be cool to do a podcast episode talking about it. In this episode, we discuss the 3 types of archetypes: The Hoarder, The Old Guard, and The Student that help raise people's awareness with how they approach learning with doing. We dive into some personal experiences with each and also how coaching enters the picture for you if you are good with identifying the archetype, but want help becoming another.
You can find the written version of "Application vs. Acquisition" here. This was sent out in the weekly BTE Insider newsletter, so please consider subscribing and getting the Monday morning delivery here.
If you are interested in coaching and want to explore working together, please email me at bill@btwntheears.com.
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Introduction and Deleted Recording
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Hello. Hello. This is the, this is not the recording that is deleted. No, that's gone forever. That's gone.
Humorous Shirts and Social Media Learning
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It wasn't bad. It just, it was bad. It was bad. There is a bunch of interested people. I didn't tell you this. Oh, I did get some comments.
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about the shirt. Which shirt? That I'm going to make you. Oh God. People are very interested in that shirt. I'm interested in this shirt. Might be a Christmas present. The one that says fun. With a big line through it. Or, F your fun. It's a toss up. I like that. Well, maybe you'll get lucky if you're good. If you're good, you'll get a Christmas present. I don't want one. So,
00:00:55
Speaker
Um, all right. So you put up this week, a post something you've been, this is interesting because in presenting it, it's kind of alludes to like what the actual topic is as well of the post. You put up a post talking about something that I think was like really great. Ironically, you were working on that post for a long time. You had this information for a long time and you finally put it out there. So.
00:01:25
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What was the post this week that, um, we're going to be talking about today? Um,
Balancing Knowing and Doing
00:01:33
Speaker
application versus acquisition as it relates to learning and balancing knowing and doing or learning and doing. So it's about learning and how, especially in today with access to information. I mean, it's information overload and talking about that.
00:01:53
Speaker
Everyone's busy or the perception of being busy. I think we're turning the ship slowly. Is it like, Hey, it is not like a badge of honor, right? But nonetheless, you ask people how they're doing busy and it's like, okay, give me a real answer. Right. So there's.
00:02:10
Speaker
Tons of opportunity to learn. And it seems like all people are doing is doing. But something is amiss. We're depressed. We're unsatisfied at work. Job satisfaction is down. Relationships are down. We have obesity crisis.
00:02:27
Speaker
It's not working. Something is broken. And so, yeah, I don't know. It was about two years ago that I was really working through this and I forget it was somebody I was working with. I think anyway and.
00:02:45
Speaker
Yeah. Kind of was like, okay, well, I think that there's a better way to conceptualize this and visualize this to then make progress and move forward versus saying, oh yeah, you just need to go to this course or, oh, you just need to learn more or, oh, you need to execute more. Like there's, there's, there's somewhere in between that and that's the role of a coach.
Three Archetypes of Learning
00:03:04
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So you identify these like three categories and, and as it relates, I mean, we can, maybe you can talk about the three categories and then we can talk about what
00:03:15
Speaker
what those look like in real life application of like quote unquote learning. So, so what are the three categories we talked about? So characters, I would say are archetypes. Sure. There's the hoarder. There's the old guard and there's the student. Okay. And
00:03:38
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the hoarder. If you guys haven't actually seen this, seen the thing go on to Instagram and it's up there. Um, so yeah, anyway, so the hoarder acquires an over like so much more
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information than they actually apply. So for visual purposes of the graph, it looked like a pie chart with 90% of it being acquisition. 10% of it, this little tiny pizza pie slice being application. That's the hoarder. The old guard
00:04:21
Speaker
applies 90% of what they've always applied and only really takes in or acquires maybe 10% of new information. Okay. If that really, the old guard's probably more like 1%, but either way, what are you giving me that face for? Nothing. Did I hit a nerve?
00:04:42
Speaker
Well, I identify as the old garden of the 1%. That's a bit harsh. But anyway, okay. So that's the old garden. Age is just a numeric animal. And then there's the student. And the student's kind of 50-50. The student is actively seeking out new information and acquiring new information, but is also applying that information.
00:05:06
Speaker
And I always tell people like students take tests. They don't just study. You're not a student if you just study. You take tests. And part of that is the application is stepping up, is acting, is kind of going into the unknown. And so having a
Learning Beyond Formal Education
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student mindset is, I think, something that we can all understand or be like, oh, yeah, students.
00:05:34
Speaker
But like, okay, well, what is it really about a student? If we look at that, it's not just, it's not just being nose in the books. That's possibly the hoarder. So, um, yeah, that's, I think. So, I mean, when you say learning, like it's easy to think about like acquisition and application. It's easy to think about that if you're really talking about like, okay, for example,
00:06:01
Speaker
you know, in our line of work, if you're just learning about the body fitness, all this stuff, but you're not actually applying it to yourself, the gym, you're just taking courses, reading books. Okay. Yeah. But like, is that when you talk about acquiring what other things like in people's lives, like what are tangible examples of like, for people that are listening, like
00:06:29
Speaker
Not just thinking in terms of like reading books and taking courses, but just life in general. No, right. So it's not necessarily learning formalized education. It's really about acquiring information. And we are in the information age. And information not just like, you know, the full Facebook and data stuff, like not just that,
00:06:57
Speaker
but like what's so-and-so doing? Like the social media influence on acquiring information and there's some really odd, like you can curate your social media to learn a tremendous amount and you can also curate it to be absolutely paralyzing. And I think that's one of the things that, you know, we see. So acquiring information, just like the
00:07:20
Speaker
the openness to either sensory or data points to receive. Yeah. So even like in, would you take it as far as to stay in like a relationship, like just to try to, before we get into them, expand, like, so people really can apply it to everything. Um,
00:07:41
Speaker
Like that could also be if you are the old guard in your relationship like that or with yourself, like that's just how I am. That's just how things are. Like I'm not really interested in even acquiring anything to progress further. Like, Hey, I just, that's just how I am. Like that's just what I do. Yeah. Versus someone on the flip side who's always trying to, um,
00:08:09
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change themselves or do something different, but they're not really actually, um, than trying to. Yeah.
Fear of Change and Personal Growth
00:08:16
Speaker
Yeah. So I think there's a frequency with knowing yourself and so frequencies, you know, ups and downs, the flat line is death. Yeah. Right. And that, and everybody's seen that on like, you know, Grey's Anatomy or whatever those shows are like flat line is death. We know that.
00:08:33
Speaker
Frequency crazy high like like earthquake frequency you that's you don't know yourself either so I think there's a frequency when it comes to to knowing yourself and To also recognize that you will change if you don't change you are dead That is the biggest thing
00:08:52
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maybe not physically now, but like you might as well be and it's coming pretty quick. If you've never changed, that is just not, that's not how life, that's not life. And that's the, you think that's more like the old guard. I think somebody that says, Hey, this is how I am. Yeah. Is for whatever reason, buying into the belief, which is a limiting belief that they are never going to change.
00:09:17
Speaker
They can't acquire new information to change themselves. It's just... Right. Like, this is who I am except me or, you know, pound sand. Right. So, it's like, okay, that, yeah, if you were to be able to then look at that and be like, yeah, I'm definitely being the old guard. Like, oof. Right. So...
00:09:36
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them saying that is their belief and it's their truth, they don't think it has to be that way. And I think it approaches that or the failure to approach that as yourself being somebody who can change and you can get to know yourself or find yourself or reintroduce yourself. That's exciting and that's invigorating. However,
00:09:58
Speaker
for many people that ignore themselves for so long, the thought of change, a tiny little change is overwhelming. And if it's like a still pond and you throw a little pebble in it, like there's going to have the ripple effect. And for somebody who has ignored themselves, not looked within themselves, um, lived by someone else's templates and has kind of fit into this mold, which has also been sort of successful if they've, I'm sure successful people.
00:10:28
Speaker
And it's like, now you have to change. It's like, ah, that means literally my entire life. And it's like, you are correct. Yeah. So when we look at these archetypes, like, and someone who does want to change and, you know, we talked about like the analogy of, um, you know, kind of how this,
00:10:51
Speaker
how you can apply it that makes it, as you've said, like personalizing it. So can you talk a little bit about that process or why it's good that this is like not having it be this thing you do? Yeah. Yeah, I think that there's obviously value and you have to know yourself.
00:11:17
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One of the kind of pitfalls with that, though, is when we really persecute ourselves with the information. And that information is not there to be a sentence. Information about identifying yourself. Yeah, your awareness. I identify as an oil guard. Yeah. So you're saying it's really not helpful for me to just be like, ugh, I can't believe it. Oh my gosh, when I read that, what a horrible
00:11:45
Speaker
Wow, I'm really that close minded and I really don't this and that. And like, that's not getting me anywhere. Just identifying it. Yes. The archetype. And generally speaking, people want to be the student. Of course. That's like the golden.
00:11:59
Speaker
Yeah. That's like, that's what that's ideal because that's, that's whatever. But even within that, you know, so the, the, the old guard and the hoarder, they're not diagnosis. Like you're not, it's not like, Hey, a sentence, as you said, right. It's not a sentence. It's a, it's a way to raise your awareness so that you can see maybe where you have been up to this point.
00:12:27
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Or where you tend to trend. Or where you tend to trend. Everybody has
Embracing Change and Self-Awareness
00:12:31
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a bias. Everybody kind of defaults to one thing or the other in everything. That's traits and that's human nature. So by raising our awareness to see like, okay, this might either be where I either default to, find more comfortable.
00:12:48
Speaker
Yep, I know. I struggle with a plot application. That's fine. It's there to be used, not to be used against you. That's the whole point with awareness. And then to drive that action forward of like, okay, for example, I probably am more of the hoarder.
00:13:11
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I would like to be more of the student. Okay. I need to apply more of what I'm learning more. So it's not just like, Hey, don't learn anymore. Cause like I do consider myself a student also.
00:13:24
Speaker
but that could be too far, like, hey, take the test, like raise your hand, like validate your learning. If you fail, great, it's a roadmap to learning. Now you know where to go back and learn more. Yeah, so, you know, it's by looking at these archetypes and these characters, we can personalize some traits or some behaviors, but not make it who you are necessarily as a person. But it gives a little bit of distance, because instead of saying like,
00:13:54
Speaker
Oh, I am the old guard. I am stale. I'm stagnant. And then you just start jumping off the judgment cliff. And that's not the point of this. It's to be like, okay, cool. This is where I am snapshot. This is kind of where I want to go. And look, do the numbers matter? Do the pie charts? No, it's not about that. Yeah. So, um, yeah. So when, when we're,
00:14:19
Speaker
looking at that and one of the things you that you said I think it was probably in my in my training when I was you were coaching me you talked about being a Green Beret and when you were in the training process to lead up to the selection to become a Green Beret yeah you talked about like how you had to go about
00:14:43
Speaker
like being acting as if you were that identity already. So when people, when we now look at these archetypes, it's really important, I think you said to kind of identify with like, if I'm the old guard, how would I, if I want to be more of a student? So to look at that and say like, okay, I would like to, I want to be a student, how would a student be right now? So it helps people like kind of identify with like, what would a student do?
00:15:13
Speaker
And so that I think is a really good thing for people to, you know, take on that. Just like, you know, we said the difference of someone who maybe is obese, saying there's a difference between saying, I have to lose a hundred pounds or I want to be the person that is healthy. Right. And so that gets into sort of a little bit like, well, yeah, the, the how and the actions and like, what does that person do?
00:15:42
Speaker
Would you agree? I would. And I think that that's, that's definitely a big influence on why I came up with these because yeah, I had absolutely no business becoming a Green Beret. Just like that was the reality. Like if, and there was people who voiced that to me and.
00:16:04
Speaker
Okay. But I'm going to try. Like, is it possible? There's this enlistment contract. There's this option. Here's the minimum criteria. I get it. Minimum criteria. You hit the minimums, you're done. But nonetheless, like it is possible. It's not like saying, Hey, you, you, you can only, you know, what is it? Do you have to be over 40 to be the president or something or whatever? Like, Hey, you have to be born in the U S and it's just like, ah, sorry. Like you don't qualify. Like, no.
00:16:34
Speaker
So for me, I knew as a result of also like being a very high level athlete, that it's too late come game day to perform. It is way too late. You know, and so that person that you are, or that you want to be, you do have to be
00:16:59
Speaker
Right. Early. You have to start that process much earlier on. Yeah. And it's like, you might not know exactly. I had no idea what a real green beret like would do in that scenario, but I did have.
00:17:16
Speaker
an
Learning Through Real-World Applications
00:17:17
Speaker
understanding. I did enough research. I was professional enough to know, okay, I'm going to learn about the greenberries from the information I have available. And again, we are in a time where information is readily available. And when I was going through it, there was no Instagram. Now it's just like it's way too far the other end.
00:17:38
Speaker
So okay, I'm gonna be professional. This is important to me. So I'm going to educate myself to the best I can and Come up with this narrative this story this this movie about what? This character does and I'm and that's gonna be me and like it's not being a fake It's not being a phony. It's not you know, I the act as if thing I understand that the I understand the the reason for saying like hey act as if
00:18:08
Speaker
But it's more than that. Sure. It's not just empty actions. What's I think funny is like that was probably a time where you were really a student because you were learning but you were applying it.
00:18:20
Speaker
without a doubt, without a doubt. And I was and I would say, you know, the balances and the scales of life are always changing. So when I was in that period, yeah, there was definitely like a frequency that felt right. Yeah. There was also some significant absences in life. Sure. You know, so I think there's also right the different. So that's the other thing that I think in different parts of people's lives, they might
00:18:50
Speaker
be identified with or trend towards one or the other. I would say that just not to cut you off. You are not one of those in everything. Sure. You are the hoarder in some things, you are the old guard in others, and you are the student in other things. And if you are not, you're not looking hard enough.
00:19:07
Speaker
Yeah, and you know, I think it's an interesting we talked last week about the gym and sort of the process with that and you and I are tend to be generally speaking on different ends like I do tend to be the old guard you tend to be the hoarder.
00:19:21
Speaker
Yeah. So even in, we talked about the process of me learning more. Yeah. Um, yeah. And, and that's something the learning and talking about where people are currently, I think there is a difference though, between, you know, and this is something that's come up like the memorizing versus learning. Yeah. So going to, and we'll use the gymnastics example because that's relevant.
00:19:50
Speaker
Going to the gym and going through the motions doesn't mean you're actually learning. No. And it also doesn't mean you may be applying it. So like really learning is probably is really acquiring new information and having to work at it. There is work there. It's not really just a passive process. No, it's not just an intake. Yeah. And then the application. Yeah, it is also challenging.
00:20:18
Speaker
Um, and we'll probably. Result in maybe a couple of times of failure. If we're talking about like maybe the gym or, um, and that is, I think why it's much people trend towards just being passive in it. Like, this is what I've done. This is what I do to, to, to start taking that chunk of, and speaking from experience of like, you know, that small little piece of application and starting to apply more is scary because.
00:20:48
Speaker
Yeah, you're probably gonna, you're not gonna just crush it like right away. There's gonna be a little bit of failure in that or learning and like now I know. So for me, for example,
Challenges in True Learning
00:20:58
Speaker
what happens once you start to know more? Like now I'm learning more. And then there's this like, now you're in a position where like, ugh, now I know, I can't unknow that. Now I kind of like have to start,
00:21:14
Speaker
I get applying that and that's going to rock the boat. And like, so it's definitely not as, it's not as easy as just saying like, Oh, okay. Like, I'll just like, none of that shit's easy. Like, like that's, you know, like, no, it's not like, Oh, I'm just going to learn more. And it is not cut and dry. Um, I was at a, I was at a training active life seminar two weeks ago. And part of that is.
00:21:41
Speaker
Like they have like lectures and theory, but then they also have assessments. Like so, you know. Like physical assessments. Like physical assessments to identify range of motion. And I have no background in athletic training, like, you know, taped ankles and, you know, basically like keeping athletes together. Although I have the absolute most respected admiration for them because my senior year of college, they literally kept me together. It was amazing what they did.
00:22:11
Speaker
And I'm not a physical therapist, obviously. So like working with patients, I've never called somebody a patient, but like, honestly, oh, actually I have, but in this regard. Okay. Okay. Here we go. Rewind. See, this is the footage stuff.
00:22:27
Speaker
What I'm trying to say is it was the first time I was ever running somebody through a physical screening assessment. And so you have the manual and you have the points of performance and you have the exact verbiage you have to say and what you're looking for, what a good thing, what a not so good thing, what a bad thing is. So you have all the criteria.
00:22:48
Speaker
Like, right. Okay. They show us now there's, you know, 30 people in the room and it's taped off and very professional. And they're like, all right, here's how you do it. Listen to what I say. Watch what I do. Roger. All right. Break out. Now practice on each other. You're going to have 90 seconds. We're going to rotate. So you're going to get like seven or eight reps. Okay. Like right on took my notebook and pad, put that down. Cause like, I need my hands.
00:23:16
Speaker
And it's like, all right, all right, Jim, like this is what we're going to do. You're going to stand with your feet, come to it and run through the assessment. I don't think it was perfect. In fact, I know it wasn't. I hope it wasn't perfect.
00:23:31
Speaker
but there was no cheat sheet. And I'm not saying this to say like, look how great I am. I'm saying this because what happened the next day was very funny. One of the participants, and anyway, we did this like three or four times throughout day one. One of the participants the next day was like, uh, Hey, I didn't know like, you know, you're, you're one of the owners here. I was like, yeah, you know, like my wife and I own it or whatever, but like that's, that's not, this is what this is about. We're just providing the space. Uh, and, um,
00:24:02
Speaker
And he's like, yeah, he's like, I gotta be honest. When I saw you come up to me with your note without any notes, I was like, like, who the fuck is this guy? Like, who does he think he is? Like without any notes. And I was like, that's really interesting. That was so interesting to me because it's like.
00:24:21
Speaker
I have eight iterations to learn this thing. The purpose I am here is to learn this. It is not to treat your range of motion. This is not about you. This is about my learning experience right now. I can use those eight iterations for this one test to recite what's on the paper and read. I know how to read.
00:24:42
Speaker
Or I can screw up on you, I can get a little bit better on Nancy, I can get a touch better on Sally, Jim's gonna, I'm gonna botch Jim, but when I get to Mike, I'm gonna put it all together. And like, that's the thing. And I said to him like, oh, I'm like, yeah, it's funny. I'm like, you know, I have some past experiences where like,
00:25:02
Speaker
There's no notes. There's no like, hey, what is this like? As soon as you have the cheat sheet and the notes, it's just part of, you don't, you're not in the position of that. So they're showing people, they're showing people what to do. And I'm looking around and everybody's heads down writing down. Like you are missing the purpose. You're missing the value. You're seeing somebody who has done this possibly millions of times. You're missing them work for what?
00:25:30
Speaker
your notes that are like, you can't capture what you're seeing. So part of that is, I don't know why we got down on that. But part of that was learning. And if you're like, not memorizing, right? So if, yeah, so if you go to whatever and it's just like, I need to memorize this, it's like, no, you need to learn it.
00:25:53
Speaker
Yeah. And that is, I mean, you can look at that in the simplest things. You can take a ride in the passenger seat of the car until you're driving the car yourself. So, you know, that's the thing. And so looking at your life and where you're kind of going through the motions that might look like learning, but are not actually learning. And only you can really know if you're actually learning or just memorizing. So as it relates to the gym is what we were talking about. Um,
00:26:21
Speaker
you know, being excited about it not being a, um, yeah, I guess what I like about the student is there's an, there's like an excitement and in both learning and an application and there's not this like imbalance, like, uh, you know, um, and everybody probably has that with one or the other, a little bit of like, oh, I have to like apply this or I have to like learn more. So really, because if you're not, if you're not invested in that process, like,
00:26:51
Speaker
It also doesn't work. You can't just be like, Oh, I want to be perfect. I want to be the student. So I have to do this. Like you have to actually want to create that balance. Yeah. So one of the things I was thinking about when we were looking at this and like in your newsletter you talked about, okay. So like you've identified one of these archetypes, maybe something you relate to. Okay.
00:27:17
Speaker
I think people get stuck in like, why? Why am I like, so now instead of focusing on maybe the action steps and like, I want to become a student, people get stuck in like, well, why am I, why am I an old guard? Like, what is that about me? And a little bit of the, you know, putting a sentence on yourself and judging yourself. But I thought it was interesting to think about
00:27:41
Speaker
Like what between the ears is and what it isn't. So, you know, some people will identify, you know, well, is it like therapy? Is it like this? Is it like that? And I think it's a conversation we've had before where.
00:27:54
Speaker
A lot of people, you know, therapy gets stuck in like the why and like, why did this happen? And let's go back. And so I'm going to look back and figure out why, what happened that made me identify with old guard? And that's not really what you care about. No. So that certainly has its value. Sure. I'm not qualified for that. I don't claim to be a therapist and that's not what I'm injured. Like that's not my skillset.
00:28:17
Speaker
So for this, like what is taking it forward? Like so,
Coaching vs Consulting
00:28:21
Speaker
so the, we'll take me, for example, if I'm working with you and we have worked on this, like what, how do you help somebody? How do you help coach somebody who, you know, cause not everybody we, we all that's part of between the years is having a coach to help. Now I've identified I'm the old guard. Cool. I need to identify more as a student. And that for me, that means learning more.
00:28:46
Speaker
Great, I know that. The problem where people get stuck is like, okay, what action steps, what does that look like to become a student? So how do you see the coaching or what your role is in getting people there?
00:29:00
Speaker
Well first I think it's important to say I'm not going to tell you the fucking answers because I don't have them. It's funny the other night I was talking with James Victoria now like a friend of mine or whatever. He's a brilliant artist.
00:29:17
Speaker
And he was saying how one of the things he likes about what I'm doing is it resonates with him in that he's not the answer's guy. People think he is. And he's been a teacher. He was a teacher at some art school. He's in like the Museum of Modern Art. Like the dude is a stud. But yeah, he's not the teacher guy.
00:29:40
Speaker
But does a teacher really, even though the teacher might have a lot of knowledge, they don't tell the, that's not helping you. I'm sorry, I misspoke. What I meant is he's not the answers guy. He's a teacher and a teacher doesn't just tell you the answers. They partner with you. They provide you a base set of information, things that you don't either know or haven't thought about. So that you can create, you can get to the answers. So that you can get to the answers. And that's the big thing with, hold on.
00:30:11
Speaker
So that's a big thing with, um, with me and between the ears. So there's like multiple hats that I wear teacher. If somebody doesn't understand how things work and I think that I can help them. Yeah. I'm going to teach you a couple of things. And that's just providing them with some knowledge and information. And yeah, the coach part, which I'm very passionate about, which I think I'm very good at.
00:30:39
Speaker
is being able to partner with people to provide guidance and nudges to have them look within and find answers and make them theirs. Because your answer is always going to be stronger than my answer. Right. Even if I'm in the role of teacher, coach, whatever, mentor. Right. And then one of the things that helped me kind of make that identification like that distinct that
00:31:09
Speaker
distinction is the difference between a coach and a consultant. Yeah. So then a consultant is going to literally tell you the answer. I feel like this is a flip side to the archetypes. It's like the coach, consultant. That would be an interesting thing to break out. Maybe we do that for people. Maybe you can release it.
00:31:32
Speaker
Three years from now. So, but I, yeah, I mean, I think it's important for people to understand a little bit of like, yeah, like, how would, how would Bill help me with this stuff? And, um,
00:31:46
Speaker
So I would say that there's three then. Let's just go with three archetypes. And these are usually what the three are in the coaching community. And I know this because I've taken extensive courses on it. And I've actually had coaches and mentors and this and that. But generally speaking, within the helping profession, there are three major archetypes that coaches or the role present. There's a coach.
00:32:14
Speaker
There's a consultant and then there's a mentor and those are very different now every like coaching body or Approach to coaching because that's really all of them. They have different approaches different definitions They're gonna have a different spin on them all and so I have like what's what's been mine has been like a mentor and
00:32:37
Speaker
is gonna kind of be like, hey, this is what I do. Shadow me. Watch me. And you can kind of be like me a little bit. And I've called people like Nate, like he's a mentor to me. Like what would Nate do? Yeah, I've thought about that all the time. Mike, mentor, you know, and they're mentors for different reasons, but it was never like, it wasn't like, they weren't like egotistical with it, but they were saying like, you know. There are people that have been there, done it,
00:33:05
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They have attributes that you respect. And it's like, OK. And here's the key thing with a mentor. They might not know they're being a mentor. Right. So so there's that. That is a huge element. Like I can view so and so as a mentor.
00:33:22
Speaker
without them being part of that process. And never tell them. Because it might be like as soon as I tell them then they change. Then they start wondering am I, is this? Right. And then they have to change. It's like, no, no, no. You just need to be you. And it's like, oh God, how do I do that? So you can select a mentor without telling that person a mentor. But it's very much like a under my wing kind of like that.
00:33:46
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There's the consultant. And the consultant is somebody who has a given set of experience, skills, and answers to a problem that you want fixing.
00:34:01
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like they're going to tell you what to do because they know generally speaking with like a very high rate of assurance and a very specific skill set and a specific skill set. A lot of quote unquote coaches are consultants, are poor consultants, are really bad consultants because
00:34:19
Speaker
They also Just tell them what they would do and you're not how they're not necessarily a bad consultant They're a bad coach because they're just leaning on consulting. So like they're bad. They're not a coach right? They're not a coach They're a bad consultant because like the consultant knows that it's they didn't If you come to me for consulting in
00:34:44
Speaker
let's just say it's the
Effective Coaching Strategies
00:34:45
Speaker
gym, right? Or I come to you. Yeah, I like that. Because you're the, yeah, yeah. You're coming to me. I'm coming to you. Okay. I'll tear you.
00:34:54
Speaker
I just turned around and left. I come to you and I'm like, hey, I want consulting on starting a gym. I've got a gym and it's going to be invite only. I'm going to reject 99% of the people that apply because of whatever, but like I want to know systems and bup, bup, bup, bup, bup, bup.
00:35:20
Speaker
you telling me, well, I would accept everybody in. Like don't, what, an invite only gym? Like that's ridiculous. That's a, that's not a coach. That's a bad consultant because you're opining on a belief structure that is you. I didn't ask your opinion. I asked for your expertise after, you know, over a decade of experience owning a business.
00:35:47
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So like, for example, equipment, coaching, scheduling, like those are those are very objective, non personal pieces of information theory. They're not. No, it's not like, hey, what would you do here? Right. Right. You know, now, now, if you came and said, I'm not sure which model I want to make this much money. I want this and this and this.
00:36:10
Speaker
I'm thinking of either letting everybody in or having it very select. That person could say, well, based on what you're saying and what you want to do and what you're looking to do, in my experience, this is a little more limiting and how many people you get and if you don't know people, and this is more. So you can have that, but you're not judging what their beliefs are. If I came to you and said, let's just say this, I'm Jim Jones. Back in the day, Jim Jones had a sign on the door that basically said like, fuck off, we're not interested in you.
00:36:39
Speaker
and it was wildly successful. So going to a consultant and that consultant saying, no, no, no, bad, don't do that. But it's working. So get out of the way. I'm not interested in your opinions. I'm interested in the real knowledge that you have about this subject matter.
00:36:57
Speaker
So, of course, a consultant can say, look, based on what based on these basically objective, non personal, like very like emotionally neutral facts or experiences, this is what my opinion is. And then there's multiple ones. So that's a bit in the weeds. A lot of times people that are acting or calling themselves a coach
00:37:25
Speaker
are poorly consulting because they are telling someone what to do, providing the answer, which a consultant does. However, not because of what is like not theirs, but their own personal thing. Okay, right. So a coach is partnering with the person to have that person
00:37:44
Speaker
find those answers for themselves. A coach partners with whomever they're working with to really, one, get to know who they're working with, to fully understand them so that they can provide guidance, accountability, objectiveness, and help facilitate that person's true discovery.
00:38:13
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hold them accountable for follow through and challenge them where needed. So, you know, that's the big thing. It's like
00:38:22
Speaker
If anybody's seen sports, they'll know, coaches aren't on the goddamn field. And there's a reason for that. When I finished college, when I finished my senior year, I went on to coach as an assistant coach the next season and coached there for three or four years. I guess two or three years, doesn't matter, seasons.
00:38:48
Speaker
And I was getting frustrated. One, I was kind of frustrated because I still wanted to play. We were good and all of that. And Chaz was like, listen, I hear you. And I was full of piss and vinegar. And these guys were my teammates. So I had a much different relationship with them when we were wearing the same jersey versus being in the coaching role now.
00:39:12
Speaker
And I was like, you know, probably venting to chess or whatever. Like, I don't understand. Why can't they just, you know, pop up and he's like, you know, look, I learned this super like the hard way. You can't coach people. You can't coach yourself out there. And I think I've talked about this before and then fast forward 10 years. We're in the Middle East and Nate and I are like just going down a rabbit hole a night and talking about leadership. And it's like, Nate, you can't lead people the way you would want to be led or the way that
00:39:41
Speaker
good leader leads you because it's not about you and as a coach, that's the biggest thing like it is not about you. Yeah, and It is very hard to be a To have the essence of a coach it is hard if you've never had a coach before it is incredibly hard and the path to becoming a better coach now like
00:40:06
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. You're going to make a lot of mistakes. You're going to learn. But if you don't have that student mindset, you're doomed. You're just going to be probably the old guard. You're probably going to fall into that because you also don't quite know where do I look or whatever. And there's a million resources out there. That said, and I see this all the time within the coaching profession and some of the some of the foundations or the federations or whatever.
00:40:35
Speaker
It's just...
00:40:38
Speaker
unsatiable consumption of the next best thing and the latest and greatest, which is more. So I'm in a couple of groups with, you know, coaches around the world. And, uh, this isn't said to be judgmental, but like some of the questions that are posed there, I'm like, Oh my God, that's like, just turn in your credential right now. Because if you're asking that question, you don't understand the role of the coach and, and, and maybe, you know, whatever, but like, um,
00:41:06
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But that also, right, so to kind of bring it back to, you know, we were talking about, like, so that is.
00:41:14
Speaker
Well, what's interesting
Coaching in Fitness
00:41:15
Speaker
about that is, yeah, there's being a coach. It's also not just like, Oh, I'm going to read this book or I'm gonna, if I, if I read this or learn that, like that's going to solve it. It's a very delicate balance as you're saying of like really, really acquiring the information and then applying it and learning through that. Yeah. So, so when you part, when you talking about people who might be interested in like, okay, so I've identified this and now I'd like to,
00:41:43
Speaker
make progress like that is really what between the ears that's what you do with coaching the practice has that and i think it is interesting for a lot of people in the as you said the age we're in where it's like instant gratification just like i'm busy i don't have time to figure this out for myself i just want you to tell me and that's
00:42:04
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I think where people can benefit from this in just their whole life and their whole like state. Like if we stop for a second and say like, what am I really saying? Like I'm really saying that I don't even have time to make that change for myself. I'm too busy that I just want someone else to come in and like, yeah. And what's funny about that is like, one, if that's what you say, that I would say like, sorry, I can't, I cannot provide what you're looking for. And I have no problem having that. But you've kind of identified for that person like,
00:42:34
Speaker
That's where you're stuck. Yeah, and it gets the thing like you want the answer because you want to be the person that has that answer, but you have not done. You've missed the process. You've missed the process and you have not become that person. You can go buy the Green Beret in the damn commissary or the shopette and get it sewn up and stolen valor. I mean, there's a million people out there pretending to be that. You can do that.
00:43:03
Speaker
Right. Doesn't make you one. Right. You can go to every CrossFit course, not just CrossFit and not everyone, because you have to coaching our stuff. You can go and get every credential. You can get every credential. And never. I was teaching the level one in Virginia Beach whenever that was. And the guy was like, I'm a master's student and I and I I don't understand what you just did with the squats group. And I'm not saying I'm like, there's there's, you know, buzz and all that. Like there's plenty of people who run better squats groups or or very good squats. I'm not saying I have like the best squats group or whatever.
00:43:33
Speaker
And I'm like, okay, yeah. I mean, I'm just, I'm like, watching you move. I'm, I'm talking with you. I'm getting to know you. And then we're going to come up with one thing to get better. And he was like, I know, but, uh, I'm like third year master's program or whatever. And we have never done that. And it's like, right. And that's why this course is way better. I'm sorry. Then your master's education value to it, but for working with somebody on how to do this, you know, anyway. So yeah. So, so that is the process. So for, for.
00:44:02
Speaker
it's it is a process it's interesting because yeah I think people enter into coaching like they get a coach they get a life coach they get a whatever and they are very much just looking at like this end state and this person is gonna provide this magic solution and people do get into it like oh crap you mean like I have to like I have to find the answer so yeah I you know and not to bring it back to the gym but I think it's it is something we've been talking about and it's a
00:44:29
Speaker
objective thing people can kind of conceptualize. One of the things we've been saying, and we kind of reference StrongFit a lot, but a lot of it's because it's like, wow, yeah, it just resonates so much, is like there's a difference of putting someone in the position and having them just like check the box. Like you got your hips below parallel, you did a squat.
00:44:53
Speaker
versus them feeling like they're the only one that can know and get into that position. And so when we look at coaches in the CrossFit space or in the fitness space, a lot of it is just consulting. I'm going to tell you what to do. You just need to do it. I'm going to look at you. It's going to look like you did it. I checked the box and move on versus having that relationship where you're getting to know that person, what,
00:45:19
Speaker
Where are they at? What do they need? What's all about this person making it about them and having them be part of it, even in a small thing like a queue, right? So you've said this, like there's a difference between telling the person, Hey, you need to just like do this and presenting them with this problem. Like, Hey, what do you think would make that feel better? Like, so you're having trouble.
00:45:44
Speaker
keeping your heels down or whatever. What do you think you could do that might make it feel like you can get there a little better? Oh, like if I widen my feet, I get there like, okay, great. Versus you're just saying like widen your feet. And I think that's something that like,
00:46:02
Speaker
You know, it's really that skill that, and you do need to, that isn't something that just comes easily to people and to coaching. And it's far easier to just run around telling people what to do. And it's, it doesn't require as much of yourself either. So I think it's just a very,
Mindset Coaching Challenges
00:46:23
Speaker
sorry. Yeah. The point I'm trying to make is being a really good coach. There's a lot of people out there, even in the mindset space and that's,
00:46:32
Speaker
you know, more interesting to this conversation. I mean, we know everybody is a mindset coach, is coaching people, is a life coach. And then when you go and you look at what they're doing, they're not coaching. They're not establishing a relationship with someone to provide them knowledge, work with them, all the things you said. They're saying like, do these things and that's gonna help you. Now, there's nothing, we're not saying that,
00:47:01
Speaker
We're not judging that like, Hey, that doesn't have any value. That's, that's wrong. Like put all that stuff away. Like that information is trash, but that's not a coach and it's sort of misleading and people who are leaning on, um, maybe their experiences. So if I'm saying I'm a, um,
00:47:23
Speaker
whatever, whatever. I don't have that many accolades, but if I'm saying I'm a 10 year affiliate owner and I'm going to lean on that and I'm going to put that out there and that's going to be my thing to kind of have people look at it and be like, Oh, okay. Like, yeah, I want to work with this person. But as you said, I'm not really working with people individually to help them. I'm just.
00:47:46
Speaker
kind of throwing it up there and being like, look at what I did. And selling that sort of template. But the thing is, is that there's a dichotomy there because you need to bring your 11 years of affiliate ownership.
00:47:58
Speaker
to the coaching relationship. Sure, that's not useless, but it's just what you do with it. It's not what you do with it, but it's also, it's how you use it to make it digestible and actionable and meaningful for that person. And it's not just, hey, do this. Sure, sure. Because they might also come to you and try to wiggle you into a corner where you just say, okay, fine, do this.
00:48:27
Speaker
And you got to be, you know, it's, it's kind of like a dance and you really do have to have that. When, when does this person need to lead it? And when do I need to lead it? You would never know. We've never, I'm a phenomenal dancer. Are you kidding? The pushup and the stay away. We'll save that for another podcast. But, but the key is, is that. Yeah. So if we go back to the mindset space, like I find it ironic that, you know, everybody's a fucking mindset coach, but nobody can define mindset.
00:48:58
Speaker
Or, or, or has taken a stab at it. Like, what does it mean? Thinking more? What about emotions? Well, or, or not quitting or not, or being positive. Yeah. Okay. All of that stuff. But anyway, I think the key is, and then when it comes to, there was one thing though, I just think about the CrossFit thing and the coaches, cause we were talking about the gym.
00:49:17
Speaker
Yeah. You know, like where we're at too. And I think we touched upon this last, last week is like, we've also promoted what we thought was a effective means of coaching and develop that when what we were really doing was more consulting with coaches. Yeah. So like just saying, and I remember my first level one.
00:49:43
Speaker
having this conversation with Pat Barber about the dip in the push jerk or the push press. And because the manual was in, it's in bold says hips back and down. And it's just like, yeah, but back, like there's like understanding what happens as a result. And then like that being different from like what we wanted, you know, and so, and so really looking at, we're telling people like what to do.
00:50:14
Speaker
but that's not getting them the results. It looks like it's better, but if I ask the person, where do you feel it, and they still say they're quads, there's a problem. Right, that's what we're saying. Just checking a box. And so some of it is like, yeah, going around, telling people, OK, knees out, heels out, chest up, blah, blah, blah, blah, fine. The swing to the other side of saying, hey, we're going to need to work with each other in one-on-one, three hours a day for one year, and then we can release you. No, that's not it. Yeah, I think it's an overtime.
00:50:44
Speaker
There's a lot there and I think there's a whole conversation that we could go into about coaching. Yeah, maybe we do that last week. Yeah, and I think though to come back to that just the... I think it's an interesting thing to look at personally or maybe like where we're at now leaving it with what are some things that we're looking to. So like for me the old guard like when I
00:51:07
Speaker
have looked at that and identified with it. Like, what does that mean for me? What are some action steps for me to become the student? What do I need to do to become the student of it? And so, yeah, that that looks to me like not just. Yeah, what does that look like? Yeah, like I like how you said it doesn't mean apply less, do less because because the old guard has a lot of application. Yeah. Seven out of eight slices are application.
00:51:38
Speaker
which is already known, like, you know, not in the past and one slice is acquisition or learning more. And I think I've been, that's something that I have. If I look at my little slice, it's definitely gotten bigger this last year. I think I've been looking at that. And as we've talked about with even just applying it to my own fitness and being willing to sort of like, okay, I'm ready now to like start making that slice bigger. Um, so I think continuing with that,
00:52:07
Speaker
And that, some of the action steps probably look like, what's funny about that is it starts to peel back other things. So if I'm interested in acquiring more, I need to make the time and space to acquire more. Because it's not just like, well, now I just need to acquire more. Well, okay, if that means for me in terms of what I'm doing in my life, more, a little more research, a little more reading, and there's already like, my days are packed, what has to go? Where do I need to make some adjustments to make the time and space to acquire? Does that make sense?
00:52:36
Speaker
So it's definitely pulls on some other strings, not just.
00:52:40
Speaker
Okay, good, I'm just gonna take this course. Yeah, what's interesting about that, and I hope this is on par with it, but the way I kind of see it is like you can swap the pie charts, but not change the identity. And so, if
Continuous Learning and Adaptation
00:52:53
Speaker
you're the old guard, and you're like, okay, students take tests, because I say that, students take tests, and all you fucking do is take tests and you don't actually go to class, you're not a student. You're just taking tests. And what's funny about that is like, and Julian and Richard and Kyla and the Strongford folks, Tyler,
00:53:10
Speaker
They talk about that and Andrew with the conditioning in the building. And it's like, yes, finally, thank you. Not just every day is taking a test. What is going to class look like? I was talking to Olivia this morning at breakfast and we're asking about Spanish. She was saying about her grades. Well, yeah. Are you actually learning it? Do you understand why you got to 98? Or why you didn't get the other question? Because great, you got 98, but that 2% that you didn't get right, that's then where you're going to have real learning.
00:53:41
Speaker
Spanish I'm like, you have a lot of quizzes in Spanish. She's like, yeah, you know about once a week I'm like, I guess that makes sense, right? It's a foreign language if they just peppered them with quizzes. Do you learn digital and digital and digital and digital? Like you have to go to class and you have to learn. Okay. This is the word. This is the conjugation. This is the funny shape. I need to make my mouth. And that was the same thing with Arabic. When I was learning Arabic, it was six hours a day.
00:54:08
Speaker
And we would have tests every now and then, but like it didn't, I mean, I don't even remember what it was like, but to be, to transition from the old guard and to become the student.
00:54:21
Speaker
Understanding that, yes, students go to class, they attend lectures, they study, they research on their own, they make note cards, they do whatever. And they take a test to see where they're at. And they take a test to see where they're at as like really an expression and a celebration of that. And so that is it. It's not just, I'm a quant, like it's not a math problem.
00:54:42
Speaker
So you're becoming that person. That's similar to the thing like a green braid in this situation would fucking wake up earlier to make sure I reviewed my gear because I'm not good at this because I'm a- You have to practice it. Yeah. And so that's what they do. They don't say, hey, by the way, have your stuff ready in three minutes. 70 pound rucksack means it's out on the stone. It's like, oh God. It's like, well, the ruck was packed already because the green braid would have the ruck packed and stuff.
00:55:11
Speaker
Yeah. And I think it's interesting to say like, well, what, and also like, what, what am I focusing on? So if you're being a green beret, you want to be a green beret. Like, what is that that I want to do? What am I applying that to? Um, I do think it's, it's worth saying like, it's not always, you know, and I wrote about this yesterday. You're not in a vacuum. So there's other people in your life, in your business, in your whatever that might not love, for example, if you're the old guard.
00:55:41
Speaker
Like, yeah, I'm going to acquire some new information. I'm going to start applying it. It's like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Like, yeah, but that's, that's not who you've been. That's not what we've done. So kind of knowing like you have to really to go back to a couple podcasts ago, you have to have that belief and knowing like, okay, I really have this belief and currently I'm speaking personally.
00:56:00
Speaker
I do have that belief I do feel a little stuck because of having the old guard mentality and I maybe have been holding back from acquiring and applying new stuff because what about what will happen what will happen if I do that so also identifying like why maybe you're hesitant to do those things so it's it is more complicated and it's for sure and that's where
00:56:23
Speaker
Having a coach and you certainly yeah, although my husband as well like you do it's tough though That's a tough one. That's like one of the hardest things and we've talked about that recently like
00:56:35
Speaker
Uh, when to wear the hat of husband, when to wear the hat of coach is another podcast. But I think that the point you brought up about, yeah, you're not just in a vacuum or like, okay, cool. Like I'm listening to this. I'm in my car. I'm like up and down in my head, like fired up. Then you get to work and it's like, Oh, slap of reality in the face. No, we don't do that this way. This is how we've done it. Take your ideas and go away. Yeah. And that's the thing with disruption though. And it is.
00:57:03
Speaker
The reason for maintaining the old guard sometimes is not because you don't want to be the student. It's because the disruption, the risk of disruption, the fallout, the collateral damage, whatever you want to call it. It's such a big pressure that you feel you can't. Big pressure and a constraint and a restriction that possibly at that time you're right.
00:57:27
Speaker
you might have to continue to be the old guard a little bit, but then you have to kind of look at, okay, what's then? What's the plan? Yeah, because I recently, um, I was talking to someone who worked as a aerobics instructor for me, like 14 years ago at the Y and I worked at the Y I was the wellness structure. I was in charge of the PT stuff and the aerobics. And it was so like antiquated at the time. Right.
00:57:57
Speaker
And so I brought in like a couple of things that were definitely not, they were, the old guard was not happy about it. It was like, no, this is what we do. What is this? This is like crazy, like TRX, that kind of stuff. Like, what is this? Like we don't do that. What's funny is it did finally integrate.
00:58:21
Speaker
Since then they have not acquired. I don't think anything. Yeah. So now that, but anyway, it's just fine. She was like, that was so great. But anyway, and that's what I wrote in the, in the writeup and I guess I'll try to put the right up stuff, but go on between the years. Instagram, the writeups are on there. It's a little swipey swipe thing. Institutions, long standing institutions are generally the old guard. Like yours was the Y mine was the United States army. Yeah. Yeah.
00:58:50
Speaker
special forces, even within that. It's like, dude, we invaded and destroyed the Taliban in Afghanistan in three weeks without doing like cleans and kettlebell swings. Right, right, right. Like we just rocked and drank beer. It's like, yeah. OK. Sure. That's not what we're saying, though. Like you did that. Surely there's always like, and that's what we've been using the word evolution. Like if we all imagine like
00:59:17
Speaker
Yes, like learning is good for us, not like you, when you really, you know, I keep like coming, this expression, like learning is life, like, yeah, like how boring or how stale or how stagnant or how just if, if you just know it all, if you reach the end. And that's really kind of where a lot of people get to and there's, you know, fear and whatever, all kinds of things wrapped up in it. But like,
Personal Growth Through Coaching
00:59:42
Speaker
We do look at not being good at something or failing at something as like a negative, but really, as you said, like, yeah, it is the opportunity to learn. It's the opportunity to.
00:59:54
Speaker
Yeah. And there's actually, that's actually, um, in, so the beat, the practice, the BT practice, there's like 1.0 and a 2.0 and, uh, 2.0 is not yet. 2.0 is not yet released. It's currently being developed and refined. That is a major week stopped. Yeah.
01:00:18
Speaker
So in the 2.0, which is new, the whole, it'll be new next year, whole new set of mindsets, whole new workouts, even more like I've got some good additions to it. Um, and it's only for people who have done 1.0. So, you know, um,
01:00:35
Speaker
That's a big one. And I'm really like, it's, I hope I'm not being the hoarder right now. I'm trying to help you with the hoarding. You're trying to help me with hoarding, but it's also something that I think that there's also some element of timing. And we talked about this too. Yeah, there's an appropriate amount. I'm not just throwing everything out there all at once. Yeah, because also like, okay, I want there to be, in my experience and for what I think, like a foundational sort of like, okay, got it, got it, got it, got it. And then some of the higher level stuff.
01:01:02
Speaker
I think is like that's what I'm fired up for and I'm actually like really having to restrain myself because I do want to share it with the world because like when I was talking to James Victoria and he was like look dude the world needs more Bill and I'm like oh like even right now saying that it's just like ah and to the picture I put up about what John photographed
01:01:25
Speaker
Yeah, that's right. I do want to teach. I do want to share. I do want to coach because I know that the skillset I have, the experiences I have and the passion and the care and the ability to change lives for the better is there.
01:01:46
Speaker
And it's selfish to not step into that and to not embrace that and to not live that because it's because it's uncomfortable for me. It's not about me. And I need to, I think, do a better job with that. So, yeah, all that to say, if you do want to do coaching.
01:02:06
Speaker
there's different ways of doing it. One on one, you can certainly do that. I think one of the most powerful ways is to do it in conjunction with the practice because that's your being a student. And the practice just for people to, if they have not joined the practice at this point,
01:02:26
Speaker
they can sign up as an individual or you would recommend they wait till January. They can sign up as an individual. So if you don't care about, if you don't want any coaching, if you just want the workouts, the mindsets and the awareness piece and you want it on your own and doing it on your own and not talking to me, that's fine. You can go on and do that. You can go on and do that. If you don't care about the group element, you can go on and do that.
01:02:50
Speaker
I think you're selling yourself short, but I understand that some people are like, Hey, you know what? Nope. I'm just, you know, like if you are truly a lone wolf and, and, and you don't really care about anything else. Fine. We're different there, but I understand that that, that might be good for you. That might be what you need right now too.
01:03:06
Speaker
The other option is January 1st or January 3rd. The next class is going to go on. And that involves you're in a community. People are posting. People share their thoughts. There are some calls with you. There's calls. So you're commenting. You're responding to everybody's comments. So you're coaching, but also what we know is really powerful is the community piece. And I've found for myself,
01:03:35
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It's interesting, like there's an accountability to with the group. I feel accountable to share and to keep going because of the group. Yeah. If it was just me.
01:03:51
Speaker
Like, you know, that's, we have that program train with us at the gym. And when I want to, a couple of us wanted to run a marathon and it really started from like, I knew it was, it would happen if we did it as a group. Yeah. So there is that element where sometimes you struggle to be accountable to yourself, but you'll be accountable. Yeah. And, and you know, the thing I think that's important to understand too is like, there's no, you don't have to post. There's people that will never post and that is okay.
01:04:21
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That's OK. As long as they're doing what they feel is best for them or is whatever, I would encourage them, hey, just once. Just put some stuff there once. No one's going to bite your fingers off. I just have that experience, that little uncomfortable experience. Just have it. Yeah, because that's part of the whole experience. But if they're like, hey, look, you know what? Seriously, this is where I'm at right now? Yeah. That's fine. You can still read other people. So there's no pressure. There's no minimums there.
01:04:50
Speaker
Then there's the one-on-one route where it's not just buying it and doing it, it's we're going to work together. That is now one of those things where it's like, yes, you need to put the work in. It's a lot of work, but it's arguably, and I was just thinking about this with your coaching,
01:05:13
Speaker
I am the kind of person that defaults. I just want you to tell me the answer. Yeah. And I think about how much you're coaching in the last year and obviously having the benefit of one on one outside of the practice, just like really whatever's coming up, like, Hey, like you're, you're going to coach me. Um, it's been really hard. It's a lot of work, but.
01:05:40
Speaker
it's been like incredibly valuable. It's the most I think I've actually become the person I want to become more of that person than just like going through the motions or acting that, you know, just I'm checking boxes. And so I think just like anything, like there's a lot of work involved when people say, well, what is it like? Like, what do you do? Like, yeah, you have to work on yourself. Well, what's that? What do you do? And that's where you come in to present. Like it's not the same for every person, like what you've done with me or how we've worked through things.
01:06:10
Speaker
That's not just like a template you take and you stick on someone else. I mean, what are you working on? What do you want? What's, what's challenging for you right now? And I think that's where I really think it is when you say like, that's a skill, that's a talent. Like, I think I'm a, I, I feel like I'm a good coach and in the fitness space. And when we talk like what that is, like connecting with people, meeting them where they're at,
01:06:38
Speaker
Sharing their wins having them come like I feel like that's something I have a talent I have I'm not a coach in the sense you are and I think that's where like when you experience someone who is a really great coach And that is a special skill set. It's not just I took a course I'd read this book on coaching and now I'm just gonna do that. There's an inherent like Intuition there's there's a ton of like
01:07:04
Speaker
knowledge you have to have an ability to present different ways and methods and questions and like that's not just something you just pick up a book and like you take a test and now I'm a life coach. So I think that's your that's really impressive. Thanks. Thank you.
Essence vs Form in Coaching
01:07:23
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one of the things there's a lot of federal coaching things and it's like they all boil it down or not all of them, but a lot of them finally get to the point where it's like, ah, and now I call bullshit. And it's the assessment. It's the fucking test.
01:07:40
Speaker
And they'll package it and frame it and be like, oh, look, this can change. It's not just a like, so a personality test, Myers scripts or Briggs Myers or whatever it is, like, that's you. I'm this like the red, red and blue and that's it. And it's like, OK, so you're so then you're a Rubik scoop, then you're a block, you're a Lego is what you're telling me that you don't change other ones.
01:08:02
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It's like, oh, no, it can change. But then because you sell that. There is no template. There is no formula. My buddies at Uncana love the thing like burn the script. There is no script. One of my clients previously.
01:08:20
Speaker
She recently told me a story she had with her co-worker and she was like, yeah, you know, I was working with this coach, got a lot of progress. He was like, you know, Green Beret, whatever. And, you know, yeah, it wasn't what I expected.
01:08:41
Speaker
And I guess the person was like, well, what did you expect? Like kind of like, I'm sure it was going to be like crazy intense, like jock a willing or David Goggins or seal fit. And, uh, and she's like, yeah. Um, we sat down, we met, we chatted. It was like a nice chat and great conversation. And then, uh, at our next session, uh, he hands me a fucking gratitude journal and I'm like,
01:09:07
Speaker
What? This is like not the intense in your face kind of thing. And I like that because like at that time, what I, what, what given what I was hearing and resonating with and picking up like, Hey, a little bit of gratitude could with yourself could I think be helpful or beneficial.
01:09:30
Speaker
take that to practice gratitude, universal application or everybody that you meet with. Yeah. I, I was coached by Bill. Like he gave me a gratitude journal. That's what I do. Bill is coaching. He gives people a gratitude journal. It's like, no, there's some people and there's, they don't need, they might need something else. So, right. Yes. I think, I think it's valuable to maybe have a whole other podcast that focuses on what we did. But anyway,
01:09:58
Speaker
What we should do is we should have, we should, we should kidnap somebody. We should bag them, right? You want so badly to put a bag over someone's head. A hood. A hood. You'll want to put bags over people's head for one of his events. And I said,
01:10:14
Speaker
No, you will be arrested. Well, either way, and then get them in, sit them down and we should do a live coaching session. If you're interested in calling in, how about that? If you're interested in calling in. I think the part that might be missing there that you probably said is like, I don't know that they put their hand up and said like, I'm invested in this. If we kidnap them. Well, maybe if we said, put your hands up. Maybe we get a bunch of people to write in and say, I mentioned coaching.
01:10:39
Speaker
Now they don't know if we're going to roll them up fight club style when they, you know, here's the thing that you got to hit hard and fast. Here's the thing though, with that, it's not a fucking Tony Robbins thing. It's not a circus trick. It's not a saw the person in half and put them back together.
01:10:56
Speaker
That would be cool. That would be cool. The first coaching session, somebody called in like, hey, coach me. It would probably be underwhelming. Sure. Because it's like, let's talk. And we need to have this happen. So I guess that's the whole point, too. And that's where I and what I do, what I will put up more about, too, is essence versus form. And we have to focus on the essence.
01:11:21
Speaker
And I think that is now opening up. I'm not going to go into that right now. But what I'm saying is if it was like, oh, I want to watch you work or whatever, like in this weird way. And I'm not saying people are thinking that. But if we kind of make it up to be the spectacle, like, oh, let me see you. It's like, we're not going to float. We're not going to levitate. Somebody isn't, you know what I mean? So it is a process. And it is not a short term thing. It is not a one time fix. And so if you were to see an initial coaching session,
01:11:51
Speaker
Yeah, it would be underwhelming to you because it would be like, OK, I'm watching two people talk. And that's and that's like honest to God. If if you're wanting a coach.
01:12:03
Speaker
And you are also, if you're working with a coach or whatever, and it's just like, Oh man, like, I don't know, dude, they relax, like have understand the long haul. We need to establish rapport and get to know you. That way we can do our job. So that's all we got. We're an hour and 15 in ish. A couple of things coming up.
01:12:25
Speaker
January 1st, practice 1.2. So second phase, second class rather. Second group. Possibly a daytime. Evolution. Evolution. Before the end of the year.
01:12:42
Speaker
before the end of the year and possibly a seminar workshop. Evolution, expect to be doing something involving your body. Like you're going to be doing that quite a bit. It's going to challenge you. It's going to have a bunch of things. Workshop seminar will move, but that's not the emphasis. Like it's going to be much more of a teaching environment, but super interactive, which is kind of cool.
01:13:18
Speaker
a time, because I'm kicking around a couple ideas. Please provide feedback. Let me know, hey, you're interested in that. When would maybe be a good time? Because the people that are also like, hey, February, I'd be down for a seminar. I can't do it before the year. OK, then we'll look to schedule at that. So I'm asking for your help to get a better idea, rather than just closing my eyes and throwing darts on the board and saying, OK, we're going to do it here. So I'd like to crowdsource that a bit.
01:13:39
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So if those things are interesting and if there is
01:13:48
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Yeah. All right. Till next time. Bye. Bye.