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Andrew Kalen Daish: Professional Rugby Player, Coach, and BTE Athlete
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Andrew Kalen Dash (AKD) is our first international guest, joining us from Sweden. AKD's athletic endeavours include 20+ years of professional rugby at both the club and national team level as both player and now coach. He shares his story, how his experience with being a BTE athlete supports his investment in self, improves his coaching style, and serves his Who. Stick around to listen to the whole episode for a debrief on the secret Sisyphus Gauntlet 2.0, where we do a quick review of our experience doing all 4 workouts in 1 day.
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Transcript
Introduction and Reflections
00:00:00
Speaker
Hello. Hello. Hello. There it is. We have probably the first hello with an accent. Is that bad? Let me go back through the depths of the podcast. What season are we on now? At least 20. Season 20. Season 20 here. I don't think we've had anyone with
00:00:26
Speaker
We're probably so wrong. And later today, we're going to be like, Oh, yeah, whoever has been on that.
Meet Andrew Calendash (AKD)
00:00:32
Speaker
We've spoken to that has an accent. Don't take offense. We just can't even remember what we did yesterday. Um, that voice, that accent, none other than Andrew Calendash, AKD, AKD. Shorten makes it much easier. It is kind of a cool, I wish I had letters. I don't have a middle name. I have another one as well, but I don't use it. That's James.
00:00:55
Speaker
Oh, yeah. AKD too many letters. Yeah. Yeah. And what the letters are like my real, my formal one WMA kind of sounds like a basketball team. Like the women's like WNBA. No, not, not at all. But that's the limit. Oh my God. Sports. Anywho,
Cultural Connections and Podcasting Challenges
00:01:23
Speaker
Anyhow, we have, we have AKD and from, and from Sweden. Welcome. Thank you for coming all the way. Pleasure. People are probably like, why did he come all the way here for a podcast? You didn't really come all the way here for the podcast, but, but we'd like to both pretend on this podcast as though you did. Yeah. Our first international guest booking, whoever the booking manager is did well. Um,
00:01:52
Speaker
We were going to try to do an episode a while back, but I don't know. Recording time zones is always the issue, isn't it? Time zones is a bit of an issue. And then it came up that like you're coming over and it was like, okay, obviously save it. So yeah, what brought you, what brought you over?
00:02:11
Speaker
Well, obviously we've been working for a little bit and we thought we'd unite in person for the first time. Yeah. Just seeing each other on zoom and WhatsApp and talk. So yeah, yeah, yeah. Make it official. It's so crazy that now that there's, and there's a couple, there's a couple of people who developed working relationships with obviously friendships with and actually haven't really met in person or it's been very, very, very brief. Yeah. Which is
First Impressions and Endurance Events
00:02:39
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kind of crazy. It's cool though.
00:02:41
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Was Bill different than he thought he would be? I'll be honest, he's taller than I thought he'd be. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh yeah, I didn't even think about that. You come across small. I need to up that creatine intake. 10 crowns a day. It's always hard to guess what someone is like if you just see them on a screen in a box. Yeah. Yeah. And I guess you don't really ever get a
00:03:09
Speaker
real feel for height on social media. No. No. No. Although sometimes with Andrew on the bike, because relative to where the bike is, how much you tower above it sitting on it, it's like, OK, he's definitely tall. Yeah, level 10 on the echo. Is that why you said that? Yeah, 10. Yeah, when you did the, how many meters was it again on the C2? Oh, 500 kilometers.
00:03:38
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500 kilometers, you and your buddy, 12 hours, right? Yeah, just around 12 hours. So that's the type of athlete we're talking about, talking with here. I wouldn't do that again. No. What was the worst part about that? Trying to sleep in between because we did 90 minute slots to start with and overnight as well. So obviously sleep, sleep deparations, the hardest part. Yeah. Did you get any sleep?
00:04:06
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Maybe not deep sleep is just snoozing. I felt like that was kind of the deal with the 4x4x48. It was not really like you shut your eyes. I got deep sleep.
00:04:21
Speaker
Kay animal likes her sleep. You sleep well. But I did, when I did it at home, I would just like close my eyes, lay down, but just knowing you're resting is helpful. Yeah. I think with any endurance event it's or interval endurance event, it's going to be that recovery phase and how much can I recover? Took a lot from rugby and the recovery stuff we do. But yeah, still wouldn't do it again. Was it for charity?
Rugby Career and National Team Experience
00:04:51
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Yeah, it was for a man's mental health charity in Sweden. So that was good. We raised some money. We sold a concept bike, concept two. Sveria were very good to us. Yeah, that's right. We gave us the bike free. Oh, yeah. We auctioned that off, so yeah. Yeah. If someone said you could have a free row or a free ski, I'd say thank you, but thank you. It's worth the...
00:05:14
Speaker
thousand dollars or whatever it might be. Yeah. Um, so you mentioned rugby. That's obviously a big part of, of your life past and current. Yeah. What do we got there? Uh, a Welsh father was when rugby is religion started six. Yeah. Um, playing local club, played some County representative stuff when I was 12 to went to a boy's school, playing rugby. And it was just rugby, rugby, rugby as my childhood. And then,
00:05:43
Speaker
managed to get a break when I was 18 and played for Wales under 18s and Wales under 19s. And then signed a contract to go to university to play professionally as well at the same time. And then played a bit more professional rugby, but it's never the big money earner. It's not the football, the NFL, scraping ends meet to try and live a dream. And then one day the club goes bankrupt. Oh, really? Is that what happened?
00:06:10
Speaker
Yeah, one day pulled you in. Well, there's no more money. So luckily I'd gone to university, become a qualified PE teacher. Both my parents were very much get your education as well at the same time. So I did that and then fall back and played semi-pro whilst working, training, and then went to the other country of Sweden, transferred across, and played DS7s
00:06:40
Speaker
Sweden for 9-10 years. For the Swedish national team. The national team, yeah. Played for the 15s national team. Traveled to many parts of Europe. What does that mean, the 7s and the 15s? So two versions of rugby. So 7s is the quicker, faster, 7 players on the pitch and the 15s is the traditional game. Some people might not know that.
00:07:02
Speaker
Yeah, for sure. Rugby's not really big here, although I wish it was. It's getting bigger. Yeah. So, yeah, I've been to many far Eastern European countries, which I didn't think I'd ever have a stamp in my passport for. Yeah. So, but no, it's been a journey of highs and lows, promotions, great games, and then the loads of injuries, time out, away from life,
00:07:28
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giving up things to continue the dream, to keep playing, trying to retire and can't not retire. And I think it's officially there, even though the bug is always going to be there, I think. Right. When you were playing, were there people who would not sacrifice, who would kind of try to have it all?
00:07:57
Speaker
I always look at training and athletes. You can kind of measure the degree of someone's training by how much they're sacrificing and not necessarily in a self-harm way or something negative, but your relationships, your socialization, the jersey, the club, the sport, the whatever is the priority. At the professional level, what was the sacrifice like among teammates? Was it spread out?
00:08:27
Speaker
You know what I mean? Like, yeah, I think there's obviously everyone's individual and different. There would be boys who do the extra work. There'd be boys who just do enough. Um, there'd be people in the middle. Um, there'd be some people who took rehab seriously, some people who didn't take the rehab seriously. So yeah, it depends on the individual. I think where it was, but you could see who was putting the work in. It's very obvious to see that, especially when we came to pre-season that whole
00:08:58
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boys going into doing the extras club, which was never one you wanted to be in. Extra credit. No one wants the extra credit because it wasn't a positive thing. Yeah. What was preseason like? The only thing I could relate it to would be in soccer where preseason was same thing. It highlighted, it separated, okay, who's been doing their work, who hasn't. But what was that like?
00:09:26
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Yeah, the first four weeks is usually work, grinding, building a base, ball skills and fitness running, bear crawls. People used to love, I don't know, because you just love to bear crawls. There's lengths, 100 meter lengths of bear crawls. Yeah, it was brutal. And then usually it would go into then we'd start finessing the skills, the plan, the game plan.
00:09:54
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and things like that. But yeah, it's usually about an eight, nine week block. Oh yeah. But when you finish the season in April, the 15 season would finish 30 games. And then you go and play sevens for May, June. Oh, and then preseason starts in July. Oh wow. And here we go again.
00:10:11
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So there was never really an off-season in parts and I think I paid a price in parts trying to do too much. Yeah. Like multiple injuries, shoulder surgery, wrist surgery. Right. The whole tiredness, never stopping, always playing, always trying to play more. Yeah. I think age catches up with you a little bit sometimes. So I'm going to try and keep up with the younger lads as well. I'm going to prove the old man still got it, as they say.
00:10:41
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Yeah. Still trying to prove that one today. Oh yeah. Still got it. And now you're coaching.
Transition to Coaching and Player Support
00:10:49
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Yeah. Now into the world of coaching, which is a completely different element. Um, comes with a lot more. As a player, you never see it. You never see the organization, the efforts, the making sure everyone's there on time, the planning, the individual work, looking at each player where, how can I develop them? How can I improve them?
00:11:11
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and everything else that goes with planning sessions, sorting game plans out, watching film, everything that goes with that. As a player, you just turn up, you go, here's the playbook. I've got to go and do my job. Whereas a coach, I'm worrying about 23 players, worrying about has this person done this? Has this person got this? What has happened? The most nervous part of my sort of week is Saturday morning. Is everyone okay?
00:11:39
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Do I have to try and think about changing something or are we going to move someone? Is a player fit still? Have they recovered from the injury or has something happened in their life personally? Because the boys aren't paid. We try and make their lives as easy as possible so they can just turn up and play.
00:11:57
Speaker
In the end, if they've got kids, family, life, jobs, demands, and something happens there, I can't control that. And obviously rugby is the first thing to go because obviously that priority is there. But Saturday morning, I'm always worried. Friday night, Saturday morning. It's kind of like a gym, a little bit. When you say they're not paid, they don't get any money to play? No, we don't pay the players. We try and give them as much as we can.
00:12:27
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in return to that, but see Sweden rugby's not a big sport. So we ask a lot of the boys' commitment wise. So we try and give them stuff in return, but obviously there's no, the club hasn't got money to pay. So how do they make a living?
00:12:46
Speaker
So they have jobs. Oh, they do this. Yeah, they work from here. All different types of jobs. Got it. And is that the same for the national team? Because you also coach the national team. Yeah, the national sevens assistant coach there. And yeah, those boys are
00:13:06
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either in education or they're working. So they're all amateur players, amateur internationals. Amateur in the sense of not receiving a paycheck for their time, but competing against countries and clubs that do. Yeah, this year on the European circuit, we had England, Ireland, Wales, and they're all contracted for their job is to play rugby. Right.
00:13:33
Speaker
But can the Swedish players, is it like they can get traded or you're playing always for your country? They're always playing for Sweden, but for example, their club rugby, if they were good enough, play in the UK for a semi-pro contract or a professional contract if they were good enough. But once you commit to one country at 18 or senior rugby, then that's it.
00:13:59
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Unless there's a new rule come out that you can play for another one after three years, but most of our boys are Swedish, born and bred. Yeah. And so there's no financial reward, but there's certainly a reward by wearing your national team's jersey, wearing your club jersey in your experience. What's that like? What's that reward?
00:14:24
Speaker
Oh, that reward's massive. It's not just a shirt, it's the time, the effort, the sacrifice you've given up, but also friends, family, what they've given up as well. Not being at events or being available or can't do something because I've got to go somewhere else. That must be hard when you're sacrificing
00:14:50
Speaker
But, you know, from a Western standpoint or from our society's standpoint, like it's like, Hey, you're giving up all of this and you're not even getting paid. Yeah. A lot of people would think that's a lot of people would in here. I think the only real like closest thing to that would be, um, you know, in the national team, a little bit different, but like at the club level, you know, in college, a lot of there's like three different divisions. There's division one, two, and three typically where.
00:15:21
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Division one usually has more money, bigger donors, bigger schools, et cetera. And they usually have more money for scholarships as well. So like around a lot of people here are like, you know, being a D1 athlete is like the be all. You can get a scholarship to a D1 program and never win a game in your four years. It doesn't necessarily equate to talent, quality, et cetera. At the D3 level,
00:15:49
Speaker
you're not getting, no one's getting a scholarship. Now you might have like a little work around with, okay, the private school is able to give you some sort of, you know, funding or whatever. And some schools definitely play a little funny math, but it's usually a labor of love. It's a passion driven thing where
00:16:12
Speaker
You're not getting any real financial benefit from it. I played Division III and that was definitely something that was part of the D3 ethos of like, yeah, we do this because we care. Not to say that D1 people don't, but if your family's only able to afford college because of your athletic scholarship and you're getting the money, that's a legit
00:16:35
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kind of thing, but it's so cool to hear about, you know, at least in your case with Sweden and the clubs that like it's, it's about that intrinsic reward that just, yeah, that pride, that joy, that, that passion really. Yeah, definitely. And I think it also builds unity between the club. Yeah. Everyone looks after everyone. We tidy up, we make sure everything's neat and tidy and that goes through to the national team as well. Yeah. You're not
00:17:06
Speaker
too many caps to pick a bag up and carry that or look after each other. We have to look after each other because if we don't, no one else is going to do it. We haven't got someone to, I haven't got a kit manager. We have to do ourselves. And I would imagine the lack of like, if somebody, like let's just say Kay got a contract for whatever, a hundred thousand dollars, a hundred thousand pounds, dollars, Croner or whatever. And I got one for like 50.
00:17:33
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there's always going to be that like, you know, the, the athletes who have the big contracts. There's none of that. It's just like who stripped away all the, all the external, all the bullshit. Like who are you? So when did you stop playing finally? Well, I played last year for Sweden, um, because
00:17:57
Speaker
five injuries and COVID, et cetera, et cetera, had to put the boots on. Head coach was like, you're a, we play 14 minutes per game. Head coach was like, you're a four minute man. So I was like, okay, I can do that. I can warm up, play four minutes. And obviously as the weekend goes, that turns into more minutes. And then that turns into
00:18:22
Speaker
starting a game, turns into playing the full game and obviously that game didn't stop and we went to 17 minutes and I did anything. Yeah, there's boys here who are half my age. My roommate was half my age. Really? You let them know that. Yeah, let them know that. But definitely there was a there was a point in day two and we always talk about day two
00:18:46
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It's all about day two in the world of sevens because we play three games for our group and that gives us seedings and then we go into our quarterfinals, semi-finals, etc. on day two. It's always like who can get through the first battle of day one. And I woke up day two and I was like, yeah, that's my neck.
00:19:05
Speaker
I can feel a bit shorter there, that hurts, this hurts. And it's just like, handle, you need the side of the chair, and then with a little rock, and then, oh, now we're up. And playing in, we played in Croatia and Hungary. And they're warm countries in the summer. It's just like, and then you get to that last game, you're like, I've got nothing left. But I've got to find something. So last year was the last time I actually played.
00:19:33
Speaker
I joined in at training at club because I think that competitive always want to be involved and very hands on. I like the boys to experience and learn, but sometimes I've just got to get in there and physically show them what I would expect or I'd like them to do so. Right. Yeah, but it's been over a year now since I played. So what was that like when you stopped since you had been playing since you were six?
00:20:02
Speaker
It's weird because it defines who I am sometimes.
Post-Retirement Identity and Development
00:20:10
Speaker
I never introduce myself as a rugby player. But the conversation always ends up at rugby. It's been a long career. I think I took my first paycheck when I was 16. I took my last paycheck 20 years later. So you think I played 20 years of rugby
00:20:32
Speaker
been financially rewarded for it. And then, but when, how did you get paid at the club level? Yeah. So in the UK paid a club level when I was 16, I signed for an academy. Yeah. Yeah. So you played growing up mostly in the UK, but then in Sweden, they're not paying because it's not as big. It's a very different contrast. Got it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's the amateur rugby is where the game was built. Rugby was only professional since 95. Oh, wow. So yeah, there was still amateur rugby.
00:21:01
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even when the first World Cup was 89. So you still had six years of amateur rugby before the World Cup turned it to professional. And then you got right into coaching right after it? I was sort of player coach. Got it. Two years ago, player coach for national team. It was just meant to be coaching, but
00:21:27
Speaker
Yeah. And then, and then this year has just been purely coaching. So yeah. So then that's rugby. That's rugby. Which we can definitely dive into more. But then how did we, when did we connect? When did we link up? How did we start working?
00:21:46
Speaker
So I started doing some sort of detraining myself, I would call it probably the period. So even though I tried to retire three times, I'm still getting contracts and still being asked and I was like, can't stop. But it was a case of I was trying to detrain myself from rugby. So I doing some
00:22:05
Speaker
The nasal breathing, the no data with strong fit work. And then obviously you guys went on the podcast there and then sort of you see someone on the podcast, you start following and then you start sort of interacting there, didn't we? And then you got to a point where I needed a bit more scope and guidance and needed someone above me to
00:22:25
Speaker
because I've always had a coach, whether it's rugby, SNC, physio, rugby coach, there's always been someone with a bit of guidance above me to help me. Because obviously you always look at your strengths and never your weaknesses, don't you? And then obviously we started talking and then I think that was what, April last year? Yeah, probably about that. Yeah, it's been a while.
00:22:50
Speaker
Yeah, because we would, I mean, we obviously would message each other back and forth, like before, for a while, but yeah, that guidance, the lack of, especially with growing up on a team in an organization, regardless of if it's professional, semi-pro, how much, like, you know, just well run, like,
00:23:09
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as an athlete have in that reliance on others. Rugby is a team sport. It's not like you just out there. That guidance piece, I think when it's identified as a deficiency in our life, the scale of it is like exposes. I know I definitely struggle with that too, finding
00:23:34
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coaches that there's guidance, that there's trust, that there's availability, affordability, like all of these different things are, it's tough, but I think you were going to ask something, okay? So what's your experience been like with between the years? What was it? You see everything you did before on Instagram and it's just like, it's just something I think I needed, I had,
00:24:03
Speaker
had bouts of depression and things like that and did the mental therapy, but I always needed the physical therapy to go with it. And obviously when you talked about the mental, physical, emotional, it was like sort of something to build into. And then obviously a few sessions here and there, and I was doing the sort of the general BT program in and I was like, no, actually, I think I want to get a bit more into this. I want to,
00:24:29
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still maximise my athletic potential but also whilst trying to improve in areas which I'd probably shut off from and not talked about or not wanted to go down those roads and those paths. The physical, mental, emotional trifecta, do you think that's a
00:24:49
Speaker
Obviously, you get that. That was what you were drawn to. Do you think that's something athletes are more... It's more innate to athletes. Do you think it's just certain people who are more introspective? What do you think? Because there's plenty of... We talk about that obviously a lot. Most people, fitness, that those two things are very separate. They don't associate their fitness with
00:25:14
Speaker
Other than mental health, people are like, oh, yeah, it's good. You get endorphins. It's good for you. But that's kind of where it ends. But obviously, you grasped a much deeper relationship. Do you think that's an athlete thing, a personal thing, your personal journey? I think it is an athlete thing, but also very much my personal journey. I think you under so much pressure as an athlete to perform, even if it's
00:25:41
Speaker
for just a team, like a amateur team is still asked to perform. You're asked to, you have 14 people with me sharing the same shirt and shirt color. So I think that whole, like there's a lot that goes into it, but I think, I think it came to a point where the athlete mentality had to stop a little bit and actually focus on me as a, as a more of a general role person than
00:26:10
Speaker
the defining I am a rugby player. Right. And is that like obviously now mental health and athletes is sort of a thing that is being talked about more. Did you experience that in all the teams you were on where people like that was kind of more common that most of the athletes experienced some mental health issues or is that less talked about or? It's less obvious because you're in a male environment where
00:26:37
Speaker
You don't show weakness. You don't want to be deemed weak. Especially rugby. It's a contact sport. It's a collision sport. You don't want to be deemed anything like that. So you don't want to show weakness and you don't show it. So any sort of it becomes ingrained in you. If you're physically hurting, you tape up and carry on because it's for the team.
00:27:04
Speaker
Do you feel like this year or your journey this last year, maybe two has impacted how you coach your players in that way? Yeah, I would say I'm a lot more mindful with the boys in case of the door is always open. They want to talk. It doesn't matter what it is. If it's something up, if they're having trouble at home or anything that's going to affect them, if they need some time off from rugby, if they need to just
00:27:32
Speaker
Like I can't do Tuesday nights at the moment. Everything's becoming a bit too much. Like I've said to the boys, door is always open. Just come and talk because there's points where sometimes I wish I had that mentality that just to go and talk and just not put that brave face on. You become a very good actor as well as an athlete. I think that's very obvious in the world of sport.
00:28:00
Speaker
Yeah. You just have to just do it. Yeah. Game face. Just do it. Just do it. Just do it, right? Yeah. Whenever you're like, there has to be this balance between, not this balance, there's this sweet spot of being aroused enough and stressed enough and, you know, kind of tense enough, ready enough, but not too much to where you're stiff.
00:28:30
Speaker
and you're rigid and you're not able to adapt. You can't be so fixated that you miss, that you're fixated on one thing, that you miss the big thing. But you can't be so wide of looking at the big picture that you miss, like what's immediate and what's in front of you. And I think that from a coaching standpoint, and this is why I really like being an athlete and working with athletes is because there is that
Holistic Training and Life Balance
00:28:58
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you understand that when someone sometimes it's just a little bit of like just lower your shoulders if you're not carrying this like burden of you have to be the guy you're always the guy or the gal or whatever like
00:29:13
Speaker
You're still, that still means that doesn't mean that you don't struggle with anything else. And so sometimes to be able to just be like, yeah, coach, like, can I get like, I need 10 minutes after, after practice to talk. Just talking allows you to kind of exhale and release a little bit of that and find that relaxed state a bit.
00:29:29
Speaker
When you coach in the open door policy and connect with your, um, you know, connect with your players and the boys know that you're like, you truly care about them. What's w what do you see different? Is that different for them? Like, have they ever had, have they had a coach like that? Cause yeah, coming from that, you know, sort of alpha male, aggressive, dominant, absolutely show no weakness. You know, if you're, if you're, if you're hurt, but you can still play, you're a God.
00:29:57
Speaker
Like you're a legend for playing on a broken leg for, you know, Kevin saw him. He was on here. He talked about when he had second impact syndrome nearly costing his life, but it was like, yeah, but look what I did for the team. I almost gave you my life and it's like this fucking holy grail kind of. Yeah. So what's it like for your athletes, for your, for your, for your players to
00:30:23
Speaker
be actually seen through the jersey into who they are, not just whether they're going to produce. I think they respond well. I've had a few of the boys, whether it's message or in person, just come to me and say, it's a bit much at the moment. Yeah. Do you want to talk about it? Some of them want to go a little bit further. Some are like, no, I just need you to know. Yeah. And that's cool, isn't it? It doesn't change my
00:30:50
Speaker
philosophy of coaching or who they are. It's actually maybe respect them even more the fact that they had the courage to come and say and to talk to me and tell me because I've been there. I think they understand that I'm very open with them and I tell them that I've had tough times. There's tough times where you're looking at yourself going,
00:31:13
Speaker
Do I want this still? Times where you looked in the mirror and gone, I've let this down. I've done this. I haven't done this. I haven't done that. Man, I missed that tackle. I missed this person. I should have been running harder. And so I think the boys actually understand and respect it. And we said to them, if there's anything, anything I can do for them, if it's something I could do for them, then I will do my best to try it for them.
00:31:41
Speaker
That's huge to know that, especially with, I don't know what the rugby, I obviously don't know what rugby culture is like, but just sports culture. There's obviously the group of people that come from two parents at home, deep pockets that are going to pay for the best trainers, pay for the best kit, pay for the best everything.
00:32:03
Speaker
And there's obviously like a portion of the population that's going to have that. There's the portion of the population that's, it's just going to be like very standard, very normal, like, yep, you're afforded opportunities and blah, blah, blah. Parents, maybe you went to some games, maybe didn't blah, blah, blah. And there's always a portion of the players that had nobody that had nothing that were not supported that were just whatever, you know, off, off you go. And so to have,
00:32:31
Speaker
have someone in their life in really an authority position, a place of power, be there for them. That could be the first time. And you think about like Mike Tyson's story, where he had whatever his first trainer was, was like his dad. And when he lost him, that was Mike Tyson's story is pretty amazing. But yeah, the softer side of that,
00:32:59
Speaker
you know, the softer side of that, that coaching from, from a sport like rugby, where you would think like, yeah, no, it's just a bunch of. I think there's the individual who I'm very much a, when I was a player, arm round, you can yell at me, but it's not going to get the best time you want an arm round. Let's have a talk. Let's discuss it. I think some players want to be.
00:33:21
Speaker
There's times when, yeah, like I've balled at the team at halftime because it's just not good enough. Like we're just not meeting the expectations of our standards. And there's times when it's just true to the boys, like, what do you want from this? Even we're going to unite together at halftime and change the game?
00:33:45
Speaker
just carry on and then we'll get the defeat and what are we going to do from that? So I think it's very much an open-door policy with them. They know where they stand with me. If they have an issue, we talk it out. It's hard sometimes. It's hard to know the players, how they reacted, where they are that day, how they feel. It's like walking into the gym, isn't it? You don't know really
00:34:13
Speaker
how you feel sometimes till you get here. You might have a vision that I'm going to hit a hard session. Actually, that's not what you need. So it's just reading the players and reading how they feel. And my job in the end is to get the best out of them. And if the best is six out of 10 that day, please give me the best six out of 10. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we were talking about it, obviously, the three of us at dinner or whatever the other day, but it is
00:34:41
Speaker
Yeah, it's interesting that teams and athletes use and coaches, you guys use a way to determine like where each person's at to maximize over the long term their potential versus just here's the program today.
00:34:59
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everybody's doing it. But obviously, we've also beaten this to death, but that that's not in the normal world of fitness. We don't apply that same care to clients, which is what's obviously unique about between the ears. But you were saying, we were chatting the other day on the way to coffee about
00:35:19
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your training and some of the things that had been helpful for you like trying to get back to training. And I know Bill has shared this as well, like the purpose of like why am I working out? So for most people, myself included, who came to fitness just to like work out and get healthy and that was kind of it.
00:35:41
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It's like, no problem. Not no problem, but we could do anything today. But for a lot of athletes, once you don't necessarily have that as the reason you're pushing a sled, going hard, doing a session, what was that experience like for you, just returning to health or fitness for the sake of you and not the sport? I think when we first started working together, it was on the general programming. And I enjoyed it.
00:36:09
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It was different. It was nice to have sessions written and everything like that. But we always, athletes work towards a goal. There's always a season start. There's always a tournament date. There's always something to work to. Fitness testing is on this date. All those goal-driven and such. And then I think as soon as we started, I was like, can we up this a little bit? I need to push, I want to push myself further. I want to still be athletic and
00:36:36
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because I wouldn't say I'm an athlete anymore. We have this conversation of athlete versus athletic right now. But that's an interesting one. But I still want to be athletic. I still want to push myself. I still want to enjoy training because I've always loved training, always loved being in the gym and pushing myself. And I think as soon as we had that discussion, we're like, right, let's do 12 weeks. And I was like, great. I've got a 12-week program. We did a little bit of work at the beginning to see where I was at.
00:37:04
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put it at the end, but as soon as you gave it a title, that's what we spoke of. As soon as you gave it a title. Like a phase. A phase. I was like, go long, get strong. Go long, get strong. Yeah. That's so challenging to go from, there's rules of the game. There's lines. You know what the ball's going to be like. You know what the season's going to be like. And just having that be part of like,
00:37:33
Speaker
The reason you use your body to play the game and then that's gone. Snow blizzes, aren't you? There's so many parts of fitness you could go down, so many programs out there.
00:37:49
Speaker
You, yeah, like we said, you don't need to pay for programming because there's so many people putting stuff out there. Yeah, but it's not necessarily the, the what you are also someone that could write your own workouts, but that's never the problem. That's more of the problem. There's, and I think I go into that phase of there was a problem. Like I was doing the general BTU program. I was like, I could be doing more and could I do more sessions? And then I think then when we spoke about it and then we went like, now let's try 12 weeks. And I think that's when my training.
00:38:21
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Yeah. Cause you, let's talk about that for a minute. I remember getting updates. Yeah. I remember getting updates like probably like three, four weeks into that. So we did a first week.
00:38:33
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What were some of the things of being like, hey, let's kind of check in with this. And I think, yeah, what were some of the things? I think it was just death by calories on the Echo bike. Yeah. A mere 22. I finished on 22, so yeah. Oh my God. But you started at? 18. 18. So level eight, started on eight calories was the first minute. Added one. Yeah, eight, went to 18.
00:38:58
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So I'm not good at math, but 19 plus 20 plus 21 plus 22 was the improvement. That's not like for people that don't know, that's not like, Oh, you just did one extra because every minute you're repeating that round. So that's a lot more work. That was one test in the beginning. Trap hard deadlift was one, I think. Trap hard deadlift. Was the max calories in an hour one? That was one too. That was one. Yeah, that went up about a hundred and 20 maybe. Oh my God.
00:39:28
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in 949, I remember that. And your, so your strength went up. Strength went up. I think like my eight rep Mac and my five rep Macs for fat birthday life became my like eight rep Macs. Right. So this was part of the go get strong, go long. Yeah. And one of the intentions that we talked about with it was not to say you have to get 10% better or whatever, but like enjoy the process of the work. The work is enjoyable and
00:39:58
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you know, not that because both Andrew and I have, you know, and I'm sure you as well in different, different ways, but like from an athletic standpoint, like you're, it's okay. You can say it. I'm not an athlete. But like, so the, your CrossFit score, same thing, like your, what you can show for your result is a direct reflection of your soul. And you believe that. And it's like, and you can use that to really drive it. And then it can be this,
00:40:28
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prison you've built for yourself. Working towards something is a beautiful thing too. And having that purpose and that goal kind of theme, whatever feed into who you are and enjoying it and also accepting like, yeah, this is great solid work. I'm working towards something. It's nice, but I can also step away. You tell a great story about like in the past,
00:40:55
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if you're training, like nothing would interrupt your training. And then something important came through and it was like, Hey, this was, you were able to identify that this important thing that came through to who you are, to AKD was more important. And he had the presence to execute and tend to that, not
00:41:20
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Yeah, I'll be right there, but I'm going to warm up my squat. I'm actually warming up my squat right now. So like, go fuck yourself. You can weigh it. And how that was a big, big shift. Yeah, it was a massive shift. Like I remember that warming up for squat. And then I was like, nope, something else I've got to go and deal with. Being okay with that. And that was the biggest thing. It was being okay with that because before I'd have warmed up my squat, then I had to go and deal with that. And then actually it was like, and then I'm going back to the gym. Yeah.
00:41:49
Speaker
But actually, that was the day. That was a day. That was training day. And that was massive because you're so used to, this is what I need to do. No matter what happens in life, I am doing this. And now it's like, well, if I do it, it's going to have intention. I'm going to give it everything I have. But if something else requires my time and it's still there,
00:42:15
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Yeah, Mike. And yeah, that was a massive one as well. And also not training twice a day. Yeah. Realizing that if I give my all and my efforts in, I think the other day was 12 minutes of work, like all of my effort was 12 minutes of work. And that was good enough before 12 minutes. So I'd be like, all right, four hours recovery. I could probably go back and do it a bit more because 12 minutes is, it's just 12 minutes, but it's not like an hour and a half. It's not 90 minute session. Yeah. So.
00:42:45
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And yet, and of course not every session, like 12 minutes was certainly abnormal. No, that's the different phase we're in now. But before, it was a lot more volume, lower intensity was the first 12 weeks we did. And there was times when, especially on the lower body sessions, I think I became a power lifter and pastor since I was sending you a message. I was like, I've just been sat here for four minutes looking at that weight.
00:43:09
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It's like, and I did five sets and it's like, yeah, it's 45 minutes. It's like, Oh, this is what the power, this is what these power lifting means. Like now about where you have your camp chair and everything. I can understand it now. And you, and so there was that, there wasn't that, you know, being imprisoned and chained to the training and being able to let go a little bit of, well, what happens if I don't train twice a day? Am I going to get better? And you, your development,
00:43:39
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uh, you know, and your actual performance, which wasn't the priority. No, it wasn't. That was the funny part. We get laughed about what my performance was, not the priority. It was just to have some focus in training and just to bring about some enjoyment in training and release those shackles and get out of that prison of double days, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah. And the, at the end of that 12 weeks, it was like, holy shit. You know, strength went up. Strength went up. Endurance went up.
00:44:10
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sprint capacity also went up. A lot of improvements there. I think my whole strength went up. Maybe the upper body wasn't as big as the lower body, but I think I've always been lower body dominant. But yeah, sled strength went up. Static strength went up.
00:44:30
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Yeah. You almost did a thousand calories on the bike in an hour. Yeah. No big deal. That's no, not many people are even going to attempt that. You know what I mean? It hurt. Like there was times where I couldn't get off the bike. Let's put it off that way. I had to sort of be helped off the bike and then sat there for probably half the time. It took me to do the session to move again. But yeah, I think we never talked about performance numbers. We never, there was never a guide of
00:45:02
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It was like, go and find, go and be heavy eight today. Yeah. Go and just cover the screen in half an hour. Like right. Don't worry about, yeah, I think, I think it was, yeah, 700 and high 700 nearly 800 was the first time we did it. Yeah. And then it was like 150 cow increase. Yeah. Yeah. Cause it was like what around nine 50, I think. So it is possible. It's possible to get stronger, to get more.
00:45:32
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endurance slash cardiovascularly fit on both the hour effort as well as the sprint effort. Correct the code on your fitness. Well, I don't know about that for the right person, but also not have to fucking train twice a day and give up the important things in life and actually maybe enjoy it. And I think that that's more of the underlying theme back to that flow state, back to that thing of the player. If they come to you and they say,
00:45:58
Speaker
And if they just get something off their chest and they loosen up a little bit, they, they relax a little bit, not that they're fully relaxed and checked out because you need to have a certain alertness. But if you're in that like, Hey, I'm enjoying this a bit more and not just so death gripping the bar or just so fixated and rigid, rigid athletes don't win. No, no. Oh, there was a time where periods where it's my training.
00:46:28
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It was my time. I made it very important that my time was valuable to me.
00:46:34
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I wanted to go and do it. And there was times, obviously, there was times where things do change, but I just still had the intention that I'm here to train, I want to train. Not that, I've got to train. There was none of that. And you can, and I've seen that often, like, people will say, like, it's not that I have to, it's like, get to, and it's this and this and that. And it's like, those are great concepts.
00:47:01
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Is it actually happening? Like not so much are you saying those words, but are you living those actions? You know, and, and that is an internal state and that is the emotional fitness component of it. Not the thinking of this is that or the performance, you know, like the actual action, but that like, you know, and I remember getting like loving the process of not just this constantly reaching for a carrot, but like, this isn't a,
00:47:29
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genuinely enjoyable thing that is checking a lot of boxes and giving a lot of, you know, one of your themes was like, yeah, that investment and that reward. We talked about that, about receiving that reward too. And like, you know, yeah, putting in the work. And it's sad to me how many times I think how many people put in the quote unquote work, but not with the
00:47:54
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maybe not ever with the connection to what was the reward of that. You know, cause that's just a cost. It's just a cost of doing it versus an investment. Now you receive on the other end and that's. Yeah. I think the investment reward was a massive part. In fact, I was even enjoyed rest days. Right. Right. Rest day. I was like, I've never enjoyed a rest day. It's like, I should go and train. I should go. Actually it's like, no.
00:48:22
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good. I need it. Yeah. So time to reflect. It's a time to recharge and go again. Yeah. Kind of sharpening the edge. Next phase. Next phase. So what is now sharpening the edge? Tell us about this phase. So I'd say it's higher intensity, less volume. So we've basically flipped them around. So a lot more said conditioning, GPP conditioning, um,
00:48:52
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backed off a little bit on the strength. I wouldn't say it's much more of a strength focus. Yeah. Like a 20 reps squat cycle we started. Um, and a lot more like bike sled combinations, conditioning, conditioning. How many days a week typically are you working out? Six, but sometimes one disappears and becomes five. Yeah. I would always have my staples. Like I enjoy the sled conditioning. I enjoy the,
00:49:22
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Like you never miss those? No, never miss those. Never miss upper body. What is likely to get dropped? GPP conditioning. Just like a... Crossfit, yeah. I think that teeters with the edge of pushing me to that performance boundary where I want to go and hurt. So I've had to work closely and...
00:49:51
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We've talked about like not going to the edge, but getting closer to it to experience it because it's still enjoy it, but not. Yeah. You don't have to just be destructive every time. Yeah. And that's, that's a self-destruction is the key for me. It used to be like I am prepared to keep going and going and going like passing out on fitness tests because that's what you do. You go in until you can't go any further. And I think that's where,
00:50:19
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Enforced rest in these periods like we did one which one-to-one rest work to rest ratio really works for me because I can push push push and then we bring it back down I can push push push and that's works for me where Like the bike the hour on the bike hook and I will keep pushing and I'll keep pushing on and if it's 62 minutes if it's if I have to give die at 60 and I'll keep going then We'll keep going
00:50:45
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And when those days are laid out, do you decide that day what you're doing? Or is it generally you just decide how hard or how you go, depending on how you feel? Yeah, sometimes it depends on where I am mentally. And sometimes I'm like, Bill said, I've got to do this on Tuesday. I've got to do it on Tuesday. But then sometimes it's like, actually, no, I'm not there today.
00:51:14
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I don't know. I think it depends on the life, where the demands are and where I feel. But usually I stick to it, but sometimes it's something crazy. And that was one of the things where I've always said, one of my, the guy who owns along with his wife, do lectures in Hyatt, David Hyatt,
00:51:36
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Marketing advertising is where he kind of came up with and he's super elegant super simple like the dude is awesome and I took a course of his one time and he was talking to people and he was saying like, you know as a small Small business owner creator, you know, that's kind of who he who he kind of helps guide So you gotta have an enemy and when I first heard that I was like
00:52:01
Speaker
problem. You know what I mean? Like, oh, okay. Just one? Yeah, right. Just one. And he obviously clarified it. And he was like, Patagonia's enemy is not North Face. Patagonia's enemy is shit that's gonna fuck the environment up. Like, and kind of make it a little bit, and those weren't his words. Sorry, David. But like, you know, things, climate, the environment getting destroyed is Patagonia's enemy.
00:52:29
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So everything they do is informed upon, how does this help them, how are our processes, this and that. And so flipping it between the ears and with fitness, the fitness arm of it, the enemy in many ways is the calendar. And that's so contrary to what most programs, most group programs, even individual, if you're a bio calendar, it's gonna be, I don't know, my coach said, it's, you know, five by one, blah, blah, blah.
00:52:59
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And it's like, so the calendar then is controlling you. You are being controlled by the calendar. It's fine to have discipline and sometimes be like, yeah, no, like I got to do it. And of course you have to kind of throw some dirt in the eye and get, get after sometimes.
00:53:14
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so much of the calendar is just like, that's just what you're going to do today. And you fluctuate. We all fluctuate. We have days, obviously our self-assessment and yeah, there's some days where like a six out of 10 is like, give me your best six out of 10 then. Well, maybe if that workout was also like inherently a six, that would be a great workout. But the calendar is usually what tells people what to do. And yes, a coach programmed it at first.
00:53:41
Speaker
But one of the things that we worked on and took our time with too was, all right, well, let's look at your life. Let's look at your schedule. Let's look at the environment outside of the gym that you have to live and operate and contend with, and how does that influence what you do inside of the gym? And if one of the days, it was like, yeah, this day,
00:54:03
Speaker
is not really a great day to do what we want to do, which is like a heavy or like an intense training day. It's not going to, okay, cool. Then what would be best on that day? What would be best for just mental stress on that day? What would be best for time? What would be best for, you know, the gym and resources and equipment available? Maybe it's a, you know, conditioning or maybe it's, oh, right on. So having that, having the calendar,
00:54:32
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and the schedule support life goals and aligning that. And we just don't, nobody does. Maybe if you have an individual coach or at the professional level where it's like they know what's going on.
00:54:49
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versus do a heavy sled day on a Monday and you're like, well, I've got 45 minutes to train. If I want to warm up a little bit, if I don't want to just run out, or if it's late, or if it's what time of day would it be? Having that combination to work in conjunction with what you're doing, when you're doing it, how you're doing it, obviously globally like why you're doing it. Once you set that, it's like, hey, is the schedule still the same?
00:55:19
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Are Thursdays still a good day to rest? Or are the weekends still a good time to just put some real work in? If yes, cool. If no, then great. Let's then reshuffle it. That's, I think, been a helpful component to it. Yeah, that's been a massive component, really, to it. Yeah. There's days when I wake up and it's tough, not really there. But for me, if I'm not there,
00:55:47
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It's strength, like I can push a sled. Yeah. Like that could be any day. Right. And it's just sometimes I think it depends really conditioning is my thing. That's the one I really enjoy, but actually it's the one I really hurt myself on. So if you're not there, then it's not, it's not the one I want to be doing because it's just going to put me further down the hole or it's just going to, I'm just going to punish myself or
00:56:16
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And yeah, there's days where you do that, days where it is harder, but there's times where it's like, I think my mentality now is what am I going to enjoy? What's going to make me feel the best I can? Right. So, and if it's rest day, I'll take an extra rest day. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, cause I've got the appreciation of presence, like to go and do something else. Yeah. So do you usually train alone? Yeah.
00:56:44
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How's it been being here training, having some training buddies? I enjoy it. I do enjoy training and I think training on my own is quite a, I'm very used to it. It's not a problem, but then I love training with people. There's times where it is enjoyable to share the fun and it is the camaraderie, the teamwork, and it brings back all of that. But then there's times when it's
00:57:13
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No, this is my time. Yeah. The world can just disappear. So earplugs go in, you know, this sort of thing. Just head once the headphones are in, it's, I'm not here to talk. I'm here to work for myself. And I think that's been a big thing. So I've always done majority of my sports has been team. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What do I do for the team? How can I hurt? How can I prepare? How can I be the best for the team? We're actually now it's like, well, how can I be the best for me? Because a better version of me is only going to help the people around me.
00:57:45
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Yeah, force multiplier. That's good shit. So what is, um, do you have some goals or anything on the horizon or are you just sort of just enjoying where you're at? Just enjoying where we're at. I think I have to talk about phase three. Yeah. How much longer is phase two? Uh, well, there was a kind of had a little bit of a kink in it.
00:58:10
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Uh, the old kink in the phase. Yeah. There's a little kink. There's a little kink. So we made some adjustments, but I don't know. We'll figure it out a couple of weeks maybe. Yeah. And find a new title for phase three. Yeah. If you haven't noticed, Bill's big on naming things. Yeah. Very important. Yeah. I think that's, I think that's important. Well, I think it's important to, I think it's important to name things. That's great. I think for me, it's brought all focus. Yeah.
00:58:40
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It makes it real, like Jordan Peterson has a thing where he's like, yeah, the first thing God had Adam do was name the animals or whatever. Cause it, and it makes them real. And it's like, Hey, this is what it is. In, in, in a therapy or in a clinical setting, it would be like, Hey, notice a name, notice a name. Oh, what is it? It doesn't say judge or say it's true or just notice and name. Yeah. Notice and name it, notice it and name it. And you can go, okay, well, what do you notice? Well, I noticed my,
00:59:09
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I notice I'm not really able to get my breath and I notice blah, blah, blah. My legs are shaking and okay. And let's name that. What's that? And you know, that's anxiety. That's nerves. That's, you know, uh, and some people it's like, okay, well who is that? Oh, that's patty pressure.
00:59:29
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and giving an identity even to a little bit of a thing. And then it just gives that, it makes it real and it's, okay, that's what it is and we can engage with it. You know, you're feeling that I feel this monkey on my shoulders, right? You're noticing and naming something, this burden that's probably up in your shoulder, you're feeling maybe it's a tightness in the chest. And so there's so much power to naming things and there's truth and there's honesty, well, maybe not,
00:59:58
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There's honesty with saying it's kind of something.
01:00:07
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but I like naming things too because like you said, it gives focus and that's why then all the mindsets have a little name because it's a cue and it's a trigger and it's a reminder and it's a little doggy. It is cool to hear people like with the former practice now breakthrough, people refer to the titles and when people who have done that work together refer to it, everybody's like, oh yeah.
01:00:33
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So yeah, best effort right away. That's always because that's the first one. So that's always a big one for people. Oh, zoom out. You know, current plus one. Like, yeah, it's cool. They have purpose beyond just, you know, and it's the way the brain works too. It's like heuristics and just it's, it wants to not use a lot of energy. So you throw a little label, a little cue. It's like, you know, putting a sticky note in the book or doggy folding the ear.
01:01:02
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to index and categorize and just be like, oh, let me refer to that quick reference thing. And it's almost like instead of knowing the exact thing, like whatever fact it is that you need to know or find now, a very, very useful skill is knowing what to search. So that's kind of what our brain does, too. It's like, what's that thing we thought we knew of? Oh, yeah. It reminds me of that. OK, great.
01:01:31
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and create experiences that are like that so that you can have that involved experience, be it training workout, be it a practice workout, be it a Sisyphus workout, whatever it might be. Yeah, I think for me, the sharp on the edge, every time I question why.
01:01:53
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Why am I doing it? Because I'm sharpening my edge, because I want to get a little bit more precise. I want to get a little bit more intent in what I'm doing. And then that goes hand in hand with life rules. Yeah, the life rules. Let's go into the life reps, because I don't think we've really... Life reps? Yeah, this has been a one that I haven't really talked about, because it's been more on the individual side of the folks.
01:02:16
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Yeah, so we talked about life reps and actually, I think we just call it reps because of gym reps and making sure I've got some reps even though we weren't in the gym. Such an appreciation of presence of just appreciating who I am, what I have, being present with the moment and taking that time to actually go.
01:02:37
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No matter what happens, I've got this, this, and this, and I am this, this, and this. And we talked about investment and rewards. So every session is an investment and what reward am I getting from it? Every thing I do is if I invest in something, is the reward beneficial? Because I'm not wasting energy or we're not focusing on something or not going down a path, which is not going to be beneficial to me.
01:03:00
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because there's times where I will go down a path and it's not going to be rewarding because I've created something which I think is an investment, but it's not an investment. It's just not going to be rewarding at the end. Um, and we looked at like embrace the weakness. So obviously playing sport weaknesses happen, operations happen, areas, the body don't want to work or they can't work or, and there's actually, well, let's embrace them. Let's work with them. Let's do what we have to do. So.
01:03:30
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Yeah, life wraps, man. They're huge. It's all the outside of the gym, but that internal stuff and everyone has... And the exercise really is to come up with your own and help. And you know what they mean. You have your... The presence or appreciation and presence one for you is
01:03:54
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a set is like, that's, that's a workout essentially. Yeah. It's just like if you were to do Cindy or Murph or whatever, a workout, people are like, Oh, that's run pull ups, push up squats, run. Well, your appreciation and presence life rep is typically like one kind of workout. Yeah. It's just one workout, which is usually coffee. Sit there and just have that moment to check in with yourself and to realize what
01:04:20
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how lucky I am in parts of life and that I can move because I've got friends who've played rugby don't move anymore or can't move because surgery, broken legs, life, etc. I actually appreciate that I have got great things in my life and check in and just realize that sometimes because I think they're easily forgotten. Yeah. Yeah. You forget easily. Yeah. Because that athlete mindset is
Beyond Sports Identity and Personal Growth
01:04:50
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me, me, me, selfish, selfish, selfish. When there is an element of still being selfish in the training, but actually outside the life reps, the training doesn't define me anymore. Where the training and the games defined me. So that's where they come in. And investment reward is a massive thing as well, because that is the training and is the physical element
01:05:14
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And then I think embracing the weaknesses, well, you could easily say like the appreciation and presence is the mental, the investment rewards are physical. If you were to really define them and then embracing the weaknesses, the emotional. If you really wanted to add another title to them, I think that's where they fall naturally in the way I work, use them. When you feel appreciative, when you like connect to that appreciation,
01:05:42
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I like is that, would it take all the boxes, physical, mental, emotional? Yeah, I would say so. I think it's very much like it gives you that. For me, when I really appreciate and I'm there in that moment, it's like you get that butterflies that like shiver down your spine sort of thing. Like I am lucky. Yeah. I do appreciate what I have and I do, and I'm here with it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's the thing like that starting off kind of
01:06:11
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that starting off kind of maybe mentally with like, yeah, knowing like what you have, but then like receiving, embracing, and being, and just that, it's almost like it's, it gets deep. It can get real deep and like definitely out there, but it's this, yeah, this energy and stuff that is tough too, I think. But for me, the life ropes is replaced journaling. Yeah, really. Yeah.
01:06:42
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because journaling was all on paper and it was there were actually like the life reps mean a bit more to me. So yeah, I think everyone's different in the way to do it and how they want to do it. And some people love journaling and some people don't. But for me, having the life reps and having that guidance has actually been a much more beneficial. Yeah. Yeah.
01:07:07
Speaker
Yeah, that makes sense, too. It takes it from the paper into, if that's what we're, I think that's the beauty about journaling, too, is if it's like, well, I journaled. Done. I did it. If it's just putting a scribbling ink on paper, I don't know. I'm trying not to be too cynical or judgy, but
01:07:33
Speaker
I've had plenty of journals, journal entries where it's like, okay, I've, I am literally only journaling so I can finish this notebook. It's like, all right, you're just, you know, it's, it's form over essence. I want to see what those pages say. I just, yeah. Do they say I'm just writing, I'm just writing, I'm just. But I think that's the, you know, having that, yeah, going through that, that's awesome. That's,
01:08:02
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Yeah. Well, tomorrow we're doing another thing. We have to do something. I don't, we don't like this word. Don't say it. But sometimes it is appropriate. It's just that it gets overused. Right. Where are we overusing it? I don't know. Maybe. What did we use it for recently? Oh, we said Hawaii was epic.
01:08:27
Speaker
Yeah. It was. It was. I think the true definition, this is like a between the ears epic day. I think that's fair. I think it can be epic, but not, it doesn't have to be. It could be totally un-epic, but. Whatever. Yeah. Like, like I think, like we talked about yesterday a little bit, like when everything is epic and world opening and life changing. Okay. What would be another word for tomorrow without using epic? Andrew, what do you have?
01:08:57
Speaker
on the spot now. Well, it could be a- Intriguing. Intriguing. Here we go. What would you use? What's the word I like? Oh, the crucible. It's not really a crucible because- What would you think about for tomorrow?
01:09:17
Speaker
Well, I guess it's really asking what's your intention for tomorrow is a better question. Yeah. I mean, I guess my intention is more like the intrigue, the curiosity, like I don't have any expectations. I think it'd be fun to do it shared. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For me, I'm usually someone that like, I don't mean I would rather do it alone. That's not what I mean. My go to is usually do it alone. Yeah. Have my own experience.
01:09:46
Speaker
both not because like of what other people are going to interrupt my experience, but more so like, well, I don't know if I'm going to interrupt there. Like I overthink. What would you is doing it? So what we're doing for new Sisyphus, Sisyphus 2.0, 2.0 or new ones. Yeah. We're doing them all in a day though. All in a day. Typically it's four over four days. This is foreign a day.
01:10:16
Speaker
I would say the intensity is going to be higher. Well, sure. Except maybe by the time we get to the last one. I'm just saying the workouts comparatively are more intense than Sesivus 1.0. Yeah. So, uh, yeah.
01:10:35
Speaker
Yeah. But would you be doing that alone because you wouldn't want to compete with others or be distracted? I mean, I get not competition, nothing having to do with competition. Um, really? See mom would be competition. Yeah. But you're also like, especially if I'm doing it with you guys, but you're totally different. You're very competitive. Yeah. But I've never,
01:11:04
Speaker
But I don't know. And that for this kind of thing, no. Because it is like the whole thing of all this stuff is to be have your own experience. Right. So I don't. Now, tomorrow when we start.
01:11:21
Speaker
I might have a moment where I have to remind myself, like Bill's not trying to just beat me. I've had a couple of the one that we're doing, we actually have done something similar. And for at least the first 20 minutes, I was like, oh, he's not gonna stop because he wants to get ahead of me and I can't believe he's trying to beat me. But that's some of that stuff that comes up that is your inner,
01:11:44
Speaker
like Gremlin or whatever. And then you're like, what are you talking about? Like, why are you even going there? But that's all part of an experience. But I don't, my thing about thinking about doing it alone is not just like, oh, I don't want to compete. It's, yeah, it's more so like, I guess more distraction or like I. Wait, wait, wait. Other people being distracting? No, yeah, like, yeah. Like being in like my own hole or tunnel. Okay. Because if I'm there, then I'm just like in it.
01:12:13
Speaker
But is that really like the intention? Right. You know? Um, but like most of the things, like even when I was training for Ironman, biking with other people, like I had a hard time. I'm supposed to be going in this space. This is what I'm doing. They're stopping for a coffee. They're going slow. Then they're going fast. Like this isn't aligning and all those things ultimately don't matter. But I have a hard time.
01:12:42
Speaker
letting them go control. Yeah. That's a word. That's a word that I'll get control references to those preferences. Anyway. Um,
01:12:57
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My intention I think is I just kind of keep coming back to these two words for and with, like doing them for the experience of doing them with people I enjoy spending time with. Yeah. That's like for with. That's cool. Whatever it's going to be. And I do have one, I do have one little twist that will tell you after you finish, because I don't want to. After we finish?
01:13:27
Speaker
No, no, no, after the podcast. That's perfect. Tell us the twist when we're done. I do have, I do have one twist. I think it'll be cool. That'll be, it's not on the workout. Cool. Um, horrifying. They cool. Yeah. I think some of these, there is a little bit of that, like, I mean, every note that the workouts are usually an hour. I mean, so they're all 60 minute workouts. And there is always the question of,
01:14:00
Speaker
is this, like any of these workouts, the beauty about these workouts is they could be really easy. You could literally do all of these and make them very easy for yourself. And they could be absolutely the most hard, horrible, challenging thing you've ever done. And that is up to you, the individual. And then also like, okay, so why? So why are you choosing right now to make it hard or easy or
01:14:28
Speaker
And that is the part that like fucks with me. That's right. Cause there's like a loop. Well, yeah. Cause I always make things too hard and punish myself. So I'm making it easy, but are you just making it easy? Cause that's easy and it's convenient. You know? Yeah. So I mean, I'll have four hours to wrestle. For me, it's going to be dark. What number are you on? For me, it's going to be the performance expectation. Yeah. Like I expect myself to do this amount.
01:14:57
Speaker
reps, calories, volume, whatever it is. And actually just go in, like we said, just say, good is good enough. Just give myself the best performance I can. I don't have to bury myself. I think it'll be intriguing to see, like there's the word curiosity of why. But really, right? Isn't that a beautiful intention to actually be curious? I'm like, oh, I'm curious. I'm curious how essentially with that, like not
01:15:27
Speaker
you know, with the performances, it's like, I'm curious how much I could, how much I suck. Yeah. Because I never did better. I never did good enough. You know, I was always about that. It's like, no, no, no. Pure curiosity. That's cool. Yeah. Yeah. What can I do and walk away and recover for the next hour? Cause no one's ever, we've, well, maybe the one you've at least three of them have not been done.
01:15:56
Speaker
four of them. We've never done them. We've done either pieces or segments. And they've never been done in this format. Right. And certainly not yet. And certainly not. Is the twist that we're going to eat like Chinese food? No, but you're on the food though, by the way. You're on the fuel.
Culinary Conversations and Life Reflections
01:16:16
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I don't have time to plan for that. Cinnamon bun. Those take 36 hours. Good thing Andrew's flight's canceled. I guess we'll do it next week.
01:16:27
Speaker
No, yeah, I think we know food. Okay. What's it called? The other thing I think with that, oh, what we were talking about yesterday was like this whole thing with good enough and how enough is like such a bullshit word.
01:16:45
Speaker
and it really doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean it's so subjective, it changes, it's slippery. It's like, you know, and I was telling Andrew that I was on one of the, I guess maybe the first kind of bigger podcast I was on was the ActiveLife one.
01:17:02
Speaker
And when I was asked, like, who am I? I didn't say, like, athlete, Greenberg, blah, blah, blah, any of that bullshit. It was just more about, like, who I think I am. And I said that I'm someone who's never satisfied with good enough. And that's like, yeah, fuck yeah. And really what that actually meant in reality was I was completely unappreciative.
01:17:30
Speaker
because it wasn't good enough. I was never satisfied with good. You were never satisfied. I was never satisfied, period. The with good enough is just like, let me give myself, let me try to build myself up a bit more and have a bit of an ego thing. I didn't know. And I believe that for like, yeah, same thing. You're never fast enough, you're never fit enough, you're never strong enough, you're never skilled enough. That's an exhausting way to live though.
01:17:53
Speaker
But isn't that the thing though when you look when you think about that like but how much yeah fuck yeah I'm like no good enough is the enemy is the work of the devil or whatever these other things are and of course I get it don't be a Don't be complacent. Don't be blah blah blah like yeah, of course
01:18:09
Speaker
But I was telling the intro, I was like, yeah, I think back to that. And I'm like, man, you didn't know what was actually in front of you. And it was, yeah, never being satisfied with good, never being satisfied, never acknowledging good and accepting it is the definition of being an ungrateful person. It's like, no, but gratitude. Well, which one's it gonna be?
01:18:35
Speaker
You know, and you say the words like satisfaction or good or good enough or whatever, and it's like, no, never be satisfied. Okay, so be ungrateful for everything.
01:18:52
Speaker
What's the point then? Like if you can never give yourself a pat on the back or take a rest and say, you know what, like, I mean, even God took a day off, you know, look at his work. Yeah. And so then it's like, so then every decision, all roads lead to
01:19:07
Speaker
Just go harder in everything regardless regardless of how hard you and regardless it doesn't make any sense and it's not real anybody who's done anything knows that like that's not how it goes hustle culture and rest when you're dead and it doesn't seem to work for anybody.
01:19:26
Speaker
I mean, the people that I think now we look at and are like, man, that's what we aspire to are people that are living life, truly living life, enjoying their day, having a cup of coffee, and there's a balance. I mean, we were talking about vacation that we could never permanently be on vacation. If you won the $500 million lottery or something like
01:19:54
Speaker
That would not be good. But to be able to have some balance and have time where you are satisfied, that was definitely a huge change, I think, for both of us, coming from very different backgrounds. Right. So now will we do a debrief after? Well, if he's still here.
01:20:20
Speaker
Well, we could do it and maybe still hear if he doesn't make it through. Well, I thought you meant like, well, well, yeah, yeah, I guess we should. So should we not publish this now? Well, I don't think we have to talk about that right now. If you're hearing this and there's more after this, we decided to wait and publish. If you're hearing this and there's nothing after this, you'll have to wait. But we can figure that maybe with the twist.
01:20:50
Speaker
Anything else? Just curious of what his twist is now. Yeah. Do you want to know now or do you want to know tomorrow? Well, we want to know after the podcast system. Unrelated to everything we're talking about before you leave, whenever that might be this month, next month, what, um, what one food do you still need to like,
01:21:16
Speaker
We're still recording. This is still a pocket. We're still recording. Are we cutting this out? Yeah, we're still recording. People want to know. What food to get? That's a tough one. We've eaten a lot. There are still foods to be had. There is still foods to be had. Would it be a savory or sweet food? That's tough because I'd want both.
01:21:44
Speaker
Maybe donuts. We haven't done donuts yet. We haven't done donuts yet. That's a crime that we haven't done donuts yet. Take the burger box. You could do a donut burger. There are places to do the donuts. No, no, no, no. It never goes well. Well, he could try it and then he could separate them. Donut burger not happening. Well, we'll do donuts and I think you need another burger.
01:22:08
Speaker
Yeah, I think we're there. Burgers were good. Pizza's been good. Pie's been good. Yeah, we've had a good pizza. We've had good pizzas. They are fueled and ready for tomorrow. Well, maybe don't not feel tomorrow. Yeah, maybe a few. Maybe I'll introduce you to Entomans. No, no. What do you mean? OK, now that needs to get cut out, I guess. Copenhagen and Cheetos. Breakfast feel of champions. No, tomorrow we're fueling Sisyphus 2.0 with licorice powder. Oh, yeah, we got the candies.
01:22:38
Speaker
Gatorade. I'm not in Gatorade or mussel milk. That's what the stereotypical American athlete has. Good stuff. Anything we didn't cover? Anything you want to cover? That's good. Awesome.
Skunkworks and Workout Challenges
01:22:56
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Okay, we're back. Oh, indeed. 48 hours later, after the
01:23:05
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After the Sisyphus of the Sisyphus skunk workers here skunk works. So skunk works is was the name of the like top secret black ops, you know, CIA Air Force area 51. Nice.
01:23:24
Speaker
Some of the notable things that came out of Project Skunkworks was the SR-71 Blackbird, the U2 spy plane, F-117 Stealth, all those, B2, B1. Yeah, nice. So whenever we do any sort of testing. Experimenting. Experiment. Building. Yeah. Anything like that. I always say to Kay, who usually rolls her eyes? It's Skunkworks. She's like, what does that mean? Fun fact about Skunkworks,
01:23:53
Speaker
The, if anybody's ever seen Top Gun, you saw the new Top Gun at the beginning on the tail. Yeah. Yeah. It was on the tail, I believe maybe a patch, but I think the tail of that crazy fighter that he was testing going like mock 10 or whatever, there was a skunk on the tail. Cause that was like a skunk works that would have been a skunk works project.
01:24:19
Speaker
We'll have to go back and watch it now. Yeah. You have to go back and watch it. Little, little like a little thing. Cause I said, I said to Kevin, like, did you notice the skunk? She's like, Oh, is that what that was? Like, yeah. That's pretty cool. Yeah. We didn't go mock 10. No. Close. Came close. What was it? How, how did it go for you? So we did all four. Basically we started out. What time did we start nine? Yeah. Nine o'clock. Yeah. Nine o'clock. We went nine o'clock.
01:24:47
Speaker
Finish that right over, event two. 10 30. Yeah. Had a meeting, got a little chow, little break, went into the gym, then three, finished that back to BTE, event four, finished around what, seven o'clock at night? Yeah, something like that, I think it was. Four total hours of working. Yeah, it was a long day. I was smoked. Definitely smoked. How'd it go for you?
01:25:13
Speaker
It was interesting. Obviously each event is a different test, isn't it? A different component of not only fitness, but obviously mental fitness emotionally. The emotions were high and low. Ones I enjoyed, ones I didn't really enjoy. In the moment of each of those, were you aware of the enjoyment or the lack of? Yeah. It was very heightened and very obvious that.
01:25:42
Speaker
Like number one was in between, like I enjoyed parts of it. Right. Didn't enjoy parts of it. There was a highlight at one point of it when I finally looked at the clock. Yeah. It wasn't long left. Yeah. So you didn't look at the clock for 57 minutes. 57 minutes. That's impressive. And I genuinely thought it was like, I was like, if I look now and it says anything more than a zero is the first number on that clock.
01:26:12
Speaker
I'm in trouble. Right. Did you feel that not looking at the clock was almost like doing a mental rep or were you like in the zone? Like was it a thing? Cause I could see if it's like, okay, so it's like, don't think about pink elephants and everybody thinks about pink elephants. Don't think about the clock. And then it's like, okay, all I'm thinking about is the clock. What was that awareness like with your, with looking at the clock or not? There was times where I wanted to look, but I didn't really,
01:26:42
Speaker
You think, oh, I wonder where I am. I wonder what's going on. I wonder how long. Like the curiosity of... Genuine curiosity. Genuine curiosity, but actually it didn't bother me. It didn't bother me the time. It was just every rep is for me. Right. Every time I do one of these reps, we get one bit closer to finishing. Right, right, right. There's times where you stop and I probably
01:27:10
Speaker
Didn't do much for a few minutes. But then it was like, no. It was a definite moment of working for yourself and not working against the time, not trying to maximize reps in the time. It was just, I have one hour to do as many as I can. And I didn't even count either. Again.
01:27:31
Speaker
That's pretty cool. And by the way, NK is not with us. She's with us with us. That sounds terrible. She's, she's walking the dogs. She's maintaining life. We're chatting. Um, but yeah, to, to not count, right? To just be sort of present with the movement, the intention, the curiosity. We talked a little bit about that before and not have the cumulative number of reps.
01:27:59
Speaker
the time surpassed or remaining. And then with that, too, that's a major win. But then also, there were times during it where it's like, OK, this is not exactly enjoyable. No, of course, you have that internal dialectic yourself, don't you? What am I doing? Right.
01:28:18
Speaker
I could stop. I could quit. I could leave this. I couldn't be here. I was facing a door. Yeah, you were. And I was like, I could just walk out that door. And obviously there's you notice external things of other people walking around outside the gym and things like that. But most of the time I was just focused internally. Yeah.
01:28:45
Speaker
And I actually did enjoy it by the end of it. I think it would have been a different experience if I had looked at the clock earlier and seen 20 minutes left, for example. Yeah, I approached it a bit different. I looked at the clock. I was aware of the clock. I was like, OK, I'm going to start here with just a plan.
01:29:16
Speaker
And I tried to be curious with my physical effort and have the clock be a little bit of a constant, like a little bit of a, you know, just a reminder, but it wasn't, I never felt like I was racing against the clock. I liked that. Yeah. That's a massive win because I think I would have been very different. I think that's where the beauty of this is we approached it in a different way and still got
01:29:45
Speaker
a very similar outcome. Yeah. Yeah. It was hard. I'm still feeling it. Yeah. There's parts of my body which I haven't felt work. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's definitely some muscles that I, I hope they're growing. I hope they're not shearing off. And then we did event two. You liked that. Yeah. That one was outside. Outside.
01:30:11
Speaker
different components to it, different effort levels, very much just focused on moving. I think that the change in effort levels, the change in movements created a challenge, but also I think it was a bit more, I enjoyed it a lot more than just a sort of single style thing.
01:30:38
Speaker
Yeah, far less monotonous. Yeah. I think that's the, there was no boredom. Right. So yeah, that was good. I enjoyed that as well. That was cool. It was cool. It was, it was also cool. What I liked about that was, and we, you know, the three of us obviously did together. I liked seeing you and Kay work. Like I liked, you had different experiences. It was clear as day to me like that.
01:31:07
Speaker
And that's what I think the intention with this and any of these is for each person to have it be their experience, which is cool. But I got, but I saw at different points. I was like, like, for example, for you, I saw one time like you were just hauling ass. I was like, fuck yeah. But it was a very authentic, like healthy, positive,
01:31:36
Speaker
Like right on, like I'm doing this, not, oh my God. Like you weren't running through the airport to try to catch the plane before they shut the doors. It wasn't this panic. No, I was very much in the, I wanted, wanted to work. I wanted to push myself. I wanted to experience this. Yeah.
01:31:58
Speaker
Yeah, that was cool. Had a little bit of a break. A needed break. A very much needed break, yeah. I mean, that was, yeah, pretty much two straight hours. Yeah. There was what, a 10 minute, I mean, the drive is what, 10 minute drive to the site of more or less nonstop work. Yeah.
01:32:20
Speaker
hot, super, a lot of sweat loss. A lot of sweat loss. One of the coolest things that also happened and a highlight for me was when we did event one, we did it in the gym in between years. Raquel walks in. Yeah, that's cool. And Kay asked her like, Hey, we're doing this thing. This is what the workout is. You want to do it with us? And she was like, yeah, let's do it. Done.
01:32:49
Speaker
I would have told someone to go fuck off. I was like, no, no, no, no thanks. It's Friday morning. Yeah. Right. It was a Friday. That was awesome. So shout out to Raquel. Super cool. Um, so we had a little bit of midday break, three hours ish, three, three, four hours headed into Motown.
01:33:18
Speaker
did event three with a twist. Yeah, event three with a twist is not one I would... I'm curious to try again on its own, but it's not one like I'd happily go into event two again. Yep. Like, sign me up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When are we going? Event three might take a little bit more.
01:33:37
Speaker
persuasion, lulling me in saying, Oh, we're going to do this. But then actually right. Changing. I wonder if it would be an interesting thing to make it shorter to like titrate. So, you know, that was a very aggressive, that was a very aggressive workout. That was a very aggressive dose. It was a very intense. And also there was two hours of exhaustion prior to different environment. I wonder if
01:34:05
Speaker
moving forward, if it was like, okay, that was super challenging. What would 10 minutes of that be like? Yeah, I think that's a good buildup. It's like what we talked about my training about the sled push drag with the bike. First time I tried to do the full version. I wasn't, I quit, but then we built it up again, built it up again and it's that confidence in it. But I think definitely I would, if I was to again, I would shorten it down.
01:34:35
Speaker
And I think that's cool. Like I, I like that component of it because you know, it is, you get to kind of dip your toe and come out. Like you had like this sort of shock experience and we're like, whoa, okay. That showed me some stuff difficulties, something to work on instead of avoiding and be like, fuck that. I'm never going to do it again. Okay. Maybe not the full hour after doing two hours of stuff.
01:35:03
Speaker
but maybe 10 minutes to orient to whatever that challenging experience is. And that's like a gradient exposure kind of deal. Yeah, I think if you did it on its own, it might be a completely different experience to hour long compared to hour three. Hour three. Yeah, I agree.
01:35:24
Speaker
Yeah, that was tough. And each of us had, um, I'm not going to speak for Kay, but I'll mention what she said. She had a peaceful, more peaceful experience. Yeah. You not so much me in between. I feel like I was kind of like the in between for that one. Um, but like we talked about the shit that challenges us.
01:35:50
Speaker
the most, some oftentimes teach us the most too. And I don't think we face challenges for to not learn. You know what I mean? Like the things that are like, Oh man, I don't like that. It's not to not learn from it, but man, those lessons to learn are hard. So taking those smaller bites, titrating, taking that a little bit like, you know what I'm going to do? I'm not going to go again, completely back into it, but I'm going to go just a little bit, just a little bit, and then move forward.
01:36:19
Speaker
No, there's something definitely moving forward. I want to keep dipping the toe in, keep trying, see what happens. Finish that wiped pretty much after that, physically, mentally, emotionally. My sweat turned white. I think I was sweating salt at that point. Yeah, we lost a lot of fluid at that point in the day. Yeah. And then went back to BTE, finished it out.
01:36:50
Speaker
chart hard really hard yeah yeah enjoyable yep but super hard fucking hard yeah i i think what for me what was hard about that too was it was hard to admit acknowledge accept whatever it might be that i know this is not
01:37:23
Speaker
representative of my capacity on a fresh day. Yeah. I agree with you on that. It was humbling. It was very humbling, but it was also, it was something we talked about doing it on its own. Oh, you'll see if you did them day one, two, three, and four, it'd be a very different experience. But I think it was also very humbling to know that the body
01:37:48
Speaker
has still got something. The mind has still got something and the emotion has still got something because I'm not just doing it for doing its sake. I'm doing it because I've invested three hours. I agree with that. I hadn't thought about it until you just said it, but it was
01:38:08
Speaker
If it was just to check the box, we would not have done, I think the final leg, final round, whatever the hell we're calling it. I think because the intention was pure and authentic and honest and the agency was there and saying, all right, we're going to do this. It's going to be hard. Whatever. We're going to do this. I think that where we were in the day after what had happened,
01:38:39
Speaker
tired at six o'clock at night, like been going for pretty much all day. It's hot. It was hot. It was hot.
01:38:50
Speaker
the sort of bumper sticker, yeah, we do hard things, we check in the box, kind of like that, that would have gotten sniffed out and just snuffed out. And I think I firmly believe that inauthenticity with intention and a lack of belief in execution is 100% a limitation. Like you'll hit your ceiling sooner than you would if it was more pure and honest and
01:39:20
Speaker
authentic I think after event three it was a it was a case of turn up if I can do one of it do one of it but then I think it built my confidence back up to be able to have that authentic experience like I've turned up for myself this is number four this is hard yeah but
01:39:46
Speaker
I think also the fact that if we'd done number one last, I wouldn't have done it. I genuinely think I would have just sat there for the hour. I think event four allowed us to experience authenticity with ourselves and actually, what do I want from this?
01:40:17
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. If, if, if event one was at the end, I just don't think it would have, you know, it's one of those things I can, we talked about it like, okay, would it have been the, would it have been, is it beneficial to be like, Oh my God, I'm thinking about that all day. I don't know. I mean, I think the order was perfect. The way it worked even for a, um,
01:40:45
Speaker
Yeah. Even for like, if someone's going to do it sequentially day after day, I think it's a good order. I think so. It's the same as if you put number one on day four, right? All people would focus on is that last one. Yeah. Yeah. And I think rightfully, like there is a bit of, there is a bit of, I understand that too. Like there's, it's a natural thing. I would definitely be doing that. Yeah. And because event one, like is another one of those, it's another workout that
01:41:16
Speaker
I will guarantee, man, I don't know. I don't, I'm trying to think now, like, have I seen anybody ever do that? I haven't. I haven't either. And nobody would know. I've seen people do something similar for Guinness book of world record purposes, but not a order of the day or workout. Right. Yeah.
01:41:42
Speaker
just like, oh, they're setting world record and it's over the course of the day or something like that or whatever. Short of being that, which I don't think anybody here is, or listening really, not to say they're better or worse, they just haven't gone for a Guinness record. I don't think anybody would ever do that. Nobody in their right mind, given the infinite number of other things you can do too,
01:42:07
Speaker
Yeah. Nobody's doing that. But that's part of the beauty about this. You get opportunities to do something, maybe two, really two to three that you would never otherwise do. And there's a beauty in that. That's busting through the known. Yeah. That's entering the unknown and getting to know about yourself.
01:42:32
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Yeah, you're in completely new territory. Yeah, and those before workouts aren't UC and everyday programming, are they? No. They're not there. They're definitely not. It's just the way, just no. So overall, good experience, challenging experience. Overall, what would you, how would you put a bow around
01:42:59
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around that. I'd say it was a very challenging experience. We talked about playing international rugby. Yeah. But that was a lot of work in one day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, challenging, obviously, of the physical and emotional because they're so unique, the challenges each time. Yep. So unique in the way they are. And each of them have a different experience and outcome. Yeah, yeah.
01:43:29
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So not challenging is probably the best word. Yeah, I think it's a perfect word. And I think that's why we do it. Yeah. You know, imagine never challenging yourself. No, thanks. Cool. Well, we'll see when we unveil skunk works. Um, and like a couple of weeks, we're going to kick off a Sisyphus 1.0. Yeah.
01:43:58
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have that there's an update to it. We're going to have a month of group coaching involved versus just the four day weekend. That's a bit of a tight turn. Some people can't do rightfully so if they've got, you know, soccer tournaments or travel or wedding life. Yeah. Like, and that's always the part about this, like wanting, wanting to have these really challenging things, but also work within life.
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01:44:19
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Like we talked about your programming too. It's like, Hey, where, what does life, what's life gotta say about this? Cause, um,
01:44:26
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So it'll be for the full month, which will be cool. Cause the intention with that is to have the ability to be like, okay, these are the, this is the one thing or maybe the two or three things that came up during. Awesome. Let's roll with that. Apply whatever it might be. Follow through action, um, and check in. So some of that follow through some of that accountability.
01:44:51
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and doing it in a group setting. There's obviously an option for a private setting too, but doing it in a group setting, using a software platform and app that's not social media, but is very user-friendly and easy to use. I think that's cool. So we'll have a bunch of calls, follow through, support, shared experience, that whole bit.
01:45:15
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And then I got to figure out how we're going to do, there's one, you know, there's one other thing maybe with Sisyphus that's going to hopefully take a cool turn, um, to get to maybe to reach some more folks. But those two, those, the workouts that we just did, I think are, I think for the larger audience, like for the bigger scale, you know, are right. And so we'll see, we'll see what happens. But for sure, 1.0 is going to be released.
01:45:44
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Maybe we'll have a bonus kicker of, you know, I don't know. We'll see. Andrew, awesome having you over in the States. An experience. It sure has. Training camp. Training camp. Where can people find you? What's your, if you want people to find you, what's the, what do you think? Probably Instagram's the best. Uh-huh. Uh, just Andrew, Kaelin Daish.
01:46:12
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I think I'm the only one in the world with that full name, so. Are you really? I think so. I know there's another Andriudation where I put the Swedish mother's maiden name in the middle of it. So is that a traditional thing to do? No, it's just something. Just something you do? Yeah. Oh, that's cool. So keep the Swedish bloodline going.
01:46:32
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Gotta have the scanned emails, although not the pilot situation. Oh, yeah, not the pilots or the customer service. Having a bit of a go there. That was actually the fifth Sysivus event. Definitely. And the longest Sysivus event. Yes. Three hours and 45 minutes on hold and then some poor customer service man losing
01:46:53
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his shit and me having to tell him to calm down right and right when he tried to leave me and telling I told him he wasn't going to leave me you're not going anywhere you are here with me and we are sorting it out so that was another hour and 15 minutes of my life so yeah there you go
01:47:12
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But yeah, one thing I would recommend with SAS is please, can you change your hold music? Oh my God, yeah. Because that was Cephasis 5, Event 5, listening to that. Yes. 15 second piece of...
01:47:26
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remixed music Terrible remix terrible remix and telling me to be ready with my booking reference for three hours with five minutes. That's the type of audio That they break terrorists with I was gonna say it definitely That music to break someone it's it's pure interrogation mode they used to do these to play the Barney music
01:47:50
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that awful song, you know, put them in the box and play that. So, right on, man. Well, listen, awesome spending time with you. Awesome training, meeting, experiencing. Yeah. Andrew's the dude who we post about a bunch. Um, and now you get to hear his story, which is us, which is also super cool. Yeah. And back to the drawing board for phase three.
01:48:16
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Phase three. We'll let it settle and we'll get back to work. Yeah, definitely. All right, man. Good stuff. Thank you. See y'all.