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Pokemon Month: What's Under the Truck?! Discussing Pokemon Rumours!
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Welcome to Pokémon Month! This month Satsunami is joined by wrestler and Pokémon fan Martin MacAlistair! Join the duo as they explore the vast world of the most popular media franchise out there, from rumours and fan creations to the first film and even a trivia quiz. So if you want to be the very best like no one ever was, join us on the 02/02/24 for our debut episode!
In this episode, Satsunami and Martin discuss the wild world of Pokemon rumours. From Mews under trucks to battle hardened professors, this is one episode that you will not want to miss!
Do you have a favourite rumour you heard growing up? Let us know down below!
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Transcript
Introduction and Setting the Tone
00:00:00
Speaker
Hi, I'm Mark McCaster. Welcome to Chatsunami. We're here for a very special month. It's Godzilla month. It's not Godzilla month. It's Digimon month. Welcome to Pokemon month.
00:00:23
Speaker
Hello everybody and welcome to the very first episode of Pokemon Month. My name's Satsunami and joining me right from under his truck is none other than the one and only Martin McAllister. Martin, welcome back. Oh no, my truck. I wasn't expecting that but thank you very much for the introduction. It is good to be here to talk about one of my favourite subjects. I'm trying not to laugh at how much you'll laugh at your own
00:00:50
Speaker
Pleasure to be here. It's more just I looked at your face and how it dropped significantly as if, why do I come here? Why do I come to record these episodes?
Early Pokémon Rumors and Misinformation
00:01:02
Speaker
I thought you were going to introduce me to like Pokémon Master or you know something nice but it's a pleasure to be here. Yeah there's a reason why I introduced you as well. I didn't just say oh yeah he looks like he crawled out under a truck. No no no you said I was under the truck.
00:01:18
Speaker
I know we get really good signals there. So how are you doing today other than that intro? I'm doing very, very good. I'm very excited to be chatting about Pokemon. So let's just get into it. Let's go. I'm hyped. Yeah, I cannot wait because today we are indeed going to be talking about, let's face it, pretty much the first thing that a lot of people seem to be introduced to in the Pokemon fandom, that of course being Pokemon rumors.
00:01:42
Speaker
including under the truck we'll get to. But yeah, today we are indeed going to be talking about Pokemon Rumours and I've gotta ask, before we go on, before we start talking about the wide and wonderful world of Pokemon Rumours,
00:01:57
Speaker
When was the first time you got exposed to the world of Pokémon rumors? Because you and I have established in previous episodes that we are massive Pokémon fans when we were growing up. We went through the heights of Pokémonia in the 90s, the early 2000s. So when was your first exposure? My first exposure to all this was pretty much not long after, like, Pokémon Yellow came out. I do want to quickly establish something here because everything we're going to talk about today is a bit ludicrous. And people who maybe weren't around at the time will say, wow, you were dumb.
00:02:28
Speaker
believing a lot of these things but there's like the perfect mixing for cauldron of dumb especially when by the time Pokemon Silver and Gold came out that these Pokemon rumors ink they were so big because it was this like perfect moment in time so obviously the internet is in everybody's homes on dial-up at this point and it is a hodgepodge of complete nonsense I don't even think Google is fully established yet I think we might still be at Ask Jeeves at this point
00:02:54
Speaker
AOL.com. There are these things popping up called forums. Is it Angelfire being the most famous? Oh yeah. Game FAQs. So you could put whatever you wanted on the internet back in these days. Oh yeah. The rumours were endless weren't they?
00:03:10
Speaker
And I think what helped was Pokémon itself is complete nonsense. So I wanted to just list some things are true about Pokémon just to give an established of what Pokémon actually is. So a couple of things are true. There's a Pokémon called Mew that is not in the game by the original games. There's a Pokémon called MissingNo, which is not a Pokémon but is in the games.
00:03:30
Speaker
Generation 2 introduced this thing where one in every 8192 Pokemon were a different colour. I've never established why. There is a virus that your Pokemon can catch in Generation 2 that is also never explained.
Pokémon Glitches and Discovery
00:03:43
Speaker
If you bought Pokemon Yellow, you were told that there was a game where Pikachu could surf hidden within the game. You could not get that surfing Pikachu unless you owned a copy of Pokemon Stadium. These are all facts by the way.
00:03:54
Speaker
These aren't rumors. The integers held items in generation 2 including berries. One such berry was called a miracle berry. You could not get a miracle berry unless you got it on a Pokemon called Celebi, which wasn't in the game in the UK. The only way you can catch it on a Celebi is if it's a random encounter, which you can do because it was all event Pokemon.
00:04:11
Speaker
and then all sorts of Hodgepodge stuff, I'm not gonna go into them all but certain links between N64 games and the actual games, things working differently between generations. Secrets about each move, so things like minimise, if you use the move minimise and then you get hit with Storm but does double damage, that was just never explained. And finally, just to add to the Hodgepodge confusion, the sons of things, especially in Generation 1 that say they're gonna do one thing and actually do the opposite.
00:04:34
Speaker
so I think is it dire hits and anything that boosts your critical hit actually makes it less likely while moves like razorleaf always critical hit unless you use the move that boosts critical hits in which case it doesn't. So I just wanted to give everybody that to understand of where we were at and so when I first started getting exposed to spoken room it was a this early thing of the internet or b the school playground
00:04:58
Speaker
because that was where most of information came for games was that and to give you more context on that, a friend of mine said that he'd finished Final Fantasy VIII, all six discs of it, there was only four. So, easily disprovable facts were also accepted as facts.
00:05:16
Speaker
So it gets the question back to you, what was your early exposure to Pokémon rumours? Well I just want to backtrack on something you said, the fact that you were saying how some people might listen to this episode and think how could you believe that, how could you think that, but I think
00:05:34
Speaker
what a lot of kids don't really know nowadays is just the fact that information back then wasn't as widely available as it is now. And one of the ones I always remember is you used to get game guides and things like that, you could actually buy books. I've actually got a book and it's got different tips, hints, things like that that they've written in saying oh you can catch these Pokemon here, you can catch those Pokemon there.
00:05:58
Speaker
In that same book, there's a quote from Professor S. Oak, part of, and to borrow a phrase from Adam from a previous episode, a proud member of the Pokémon Interlegency. He is up there, he is well respected in this field and he tells you as a guppable 10-year-old kid that you should catch powerful Pokémon with the Master Ball, which for anyone who doesn't know it's the one that catch all ball. He says you should catch powerful Pokémon like Fero.
00:06:29
Speaker
So excuse me if I'm not trusting all these guys, but going back to what you were saying, the fact that there were so many rumours circulating, because the internet wasn't as widespread, it's not like kids nowadays flip out their phone, they can easily fact check, they are favourite
00:06:45
Speaker
YouTubers, you know, they're talking about it, they're not talking about it so at the end of the day it was a completely different landscape but I think I was in the same boat as you because as we spoke about in our Pokémonia episode, Pokémonia was rife both in the 90s and the early 2000s and I think by the time Generation 4 came around, around 2000 and I wanna say 5 or 6, then that's when we started to move away from it because we were getting older, we were going into our teenage years
00:07:15
Speaker
Facebook years, as it were. Yeah, it was a really weird time to be a Pokemon fan, but it was a time of, and I'm romanticising it here, but it was a time of intrigue, it was a time of, oh, let's be actual explorers. I'm not going to go as far to say, this must be what the adventurers have like. Really, Shackleton has nothing on what we did, but... David lovex the news here.
00:07:40
Speaker
We are the true pioneers, okay? So you had to play these games and you had to discover whether or not it's true and one of the ones that always blows my mind, it's one that you and I talk about quite frequently, is the fact you said earlier you can't get new in the games and officially, no you can't, but what some people out there might not know is the original games, Blue, Red and Yellow, they're made of spaghetti code.
00:08:05
Speaker
Okay? They are held together by hopes, dreams and prayers and I think it is absolutely insane how these games came out the way they did but they're so beloved and they kept together just enough to have fun but there's a glitch in that where you can actually catch Mew and I remember I saw this online and I was like there is no way this works. People were saying oh you can do this, you can do that, I was like there is no way this actually works. I tasted it, it worked!
00:08:35
Speaker
And it doesn't even just work for Mew. Basically, the way it works is you have to go in front of a trainer who's off screen. But then just before they see you, you have to press the start button and either fly away, use a escape rope, any kind of thing like that.
00:08:52
Speaker
and that in turn will lock you out of the start menu. The only way to re
Infamous Pokémon Myths
00:08:57
Speaker
-enter that start menu is by going to Apache Grass and you have to fight a Pokémon. Now depending on the Pokémon you fight it's got like a numerical value attached to it which then corresponds with another Pokémon. So if you fight Slowpoke which is the one just north of Cerulean City I think,
00:09:36
Speaker
for this to work.
00:09:46
Speaker
I didn't do the Scotch as early as Viridian Forest. So I did it once and you can just break the game. So you've got a level 1 Pokemon and the game registers that as, oh you've got enough badges and everything and then I think technically when it turns 100 then you're like oh no it doesn't obey anymore but it doesn't matter. You know what's a bug catcher going to do against a level 100 needle king?
00:10:10
Speaker
You're screwed at that point. So I know I've kind of spent a lot of time describing that glitch, but I just want to emphasise how crazy this Pokemon is. Generation 2 as well, there was the cloning glitch. Have you ever heard of this? Yeah. Where you deposited a Pokemon and then you use... I think it was a select function or something? Yeah, it's a swap function. Yeah, and then just as you were switching boxes, well, it was saying saving.
00:10:37
Speaker
please wait, you had to turn your Game Boy off and then turn it back on. And that sounds like it would just bugger up your game, it would corrupt it but no, no, no, no, no. It actually clones your Pokemon. I used to do that all the time, so I'd have like hundreds of legendaries and things. Well not hundreds, but you know what, I mean, that was crazy. So this is our confession. When we talk about these myths and rumours, this is what we're talking about. This was the kind of wacky, insane era that we had to do growing up.
00:11:02
Speaker
This is so funny because so much was true that so much nonsense gets through. You know what I mean? I think that's why it was so susceptible to what sounds like complete nonsense rumours but I mean everything else that we've just listed was true so why wouldn't these things be true? Exactly. So this is our confession. Our final thoughts on Pokemon. This is the quickest month of ours.
00:11:24
Speaker
going to say episode one we're done. Well we start with some fan favourites from generation one, so let's get the truck out of the room first. The one that's sitting on top of you of course. Please just move it. Yes that of course refers to the truck that is parked right beside the SSN in Vermilion City. Now whenever you go into Vermilion City and you go on to the
00:11:46
Speaker
cruise ship the SSN. There's a truck right beside it and the widely held rumour was that if you surf towards it and you use strength on it then you would be hiding behind it and it's become so widely known that a lot of people say, oh look they've put references and things in. It's really cool the way they've done that because I think you could get like a revive and things in the later games if you go up to it and you click. I thought that was really cool but
00:12:11
Speaker
Yeah, it's not true, has it? No, but one of the things that's so fascinating, and this was, I guess, a testament to how little they knew they would do. It's a fairly unique sprite, if I remember. It's not used to anyone else in the game, and it is just tantalisingly out of reach. So it's like, of course this one would start, because what you would do making a game is you wouldn't put a unique sprite out of reach if it didn't do anything.
00:12:32
Speaker
bit does something, it's there. There's a very similar room which I'll just kind of lump in with this one, which was in Pallet Town. It's a little square and then just to the right of Pallet Town's patches of grass that you can see. Do you know, I was thinking the exact same one when you said that. Right. And so this patch of grass is on the right hand side of Pallet Town, you couldn't get to. It's such a fascinating lesson in game design where you should never do this to the player, where it's something that is very obviously interactable, but just isn't interactable.
00:12:58
Speaker
It's not there. And it's funny because they knew this, so like you said, they reference the truck in other games. It's become sort of famous even within Pokémon, but they also knew it as early as Generation 1 where the Pokémon, there's, is it Fuchsia City, has the Pokémon in little paddocks, little stables. You can't talk to them, but if you actually glitch in the game and try to talk to them, there's text boxes for them. So they obviously were aware that people wanted to interact with them, but so they put cover on so they didn't instantly break the game. So the fact this truck is here,
00:13:27
Speaker
is a unique sprite that was made. It was so tantalisingly close and then they hide it from you. This was meant to do something. Do you know what's even wilder about that? Speaking of the pallet town fields or the pallet fields, whatever you want to call them, the absolutely insane thing about this is people have, again in retrospect, have glitched through the coding as it were and they've gone through to the fields. There's nothing
00:13:52
Speaker
them. They've not programmed any. That's the weird thing. I thought, oh maybe they'll have the same code as like route one where they'll have rotators and pidgeys and things like that there but nope there's nothing there. It's just it's window dressing for nothing. It's so weird because they don't do it in lots of other places as well. It's only really those two specifically that are like, oh here's interactable objects outside of the user's gas but it's such a weird weird thing for something crazy.
00:14:18
Speaker
really odd and speaking about what time I want to go back to March nemesis here Professor Oak. I'm so glad we talked about this one. Do you know how I actually found out about this one? Or rather how it was technically true. Let's start with the rumour and then we'll go to the truth. In the game there was this rumour that if you did something, I mean that is the lynch pin of all these rumours that if you did something a hundred times or
00:14:40
Speaker
you once a million times. Rinse and repeat, you beat me a week forward a hundred times, or you get to fight different people on it. And one of them was Professor Oak who would have this full team, including I think the starter that you have, or rather the third starter that wasn't chosen.
00:14:57
Speaker
And that is really weird because initially when I saw that, you know, in the games, it's not true. You cannot do that at all. You can't fight Professor Oak. I mean, you can imagine it, but you can't fight him. Now, the way I found out about how this is technically true is the fact that when I started streaming, I played... I didn't realise this was how you found out. Yeah.
00:15:19
Speaker
Well, this is how I found out it was real, but it's something that I never really looked into because I heard it was content. But again, it's like the room machine. I've been hurt before. I don't want to touch it again, but there was like a glitch in the game that was playing. So I was playing this very buggy version of Pokémon Green, the Japanese version, and someone had poorly translated it. That's all I'll say. It's a
00:15:41
Speaker
Terrible translation, hilarious but terrible. But the issue with it was that because it was so buggy, even for a Pokémon game in Gen 1, it was so buggy that I couldn't progress past the Elite Four and I couldn't even get past. It was really frustrating and I was like, well I can't complete the game. So I said to my audience at the time, you know what, I'll try and use the code of the champion and then I'll just battle them elsewhere with a different trainer. But what I didn't realise was there was a list in there that said Professor Oak.
00:16:09
Speaker
And yeah, he exists. He exists. So he must have been cut content at some point. That's what's so fascinating about it. So there was a plan at one point was to have a battle against Professor Oak. What I think is really interesting is in Pokémon Silver Golden Crystal, the Generation 2 games, you fight Red at the end. And it's a very similar setup. So in the sense of like, there's this final boss who's actually someone familiar to you. And so I think they must have kept the idea of having Professor Oak in it. Why it got cut, I don't know.
00:16:37
Speaker
But I think this one's so fascinating because there was truth in it and that's so funny to me in that it was discovered, if that makes sense. Like why did people know about this to make up? Was it just a coincidence that rumor started? Did someone somewhere find out using trainer codes or some other glitch and figure out that Professor Oak with his bonkers team was in the game and then got cut? Like how did that rumor get
Generation 2 Pokémon and Early Discoveries
00:16:59
Speaker
out of there?
00:16:59
Speaker
because I'm not sure if it would have been linked to, you know, the action replays and things like that. I don't know if it would have been related to that, maybe, that they would have had the code in there to fight Professor Oak, maybe, but something that I want to point out before we go into the next one, though, is what's amazing about these rumors, by the way, is despite the internet being in a somewhat infancy, let's say, when I say infancy, I don't mean it wasn't, you know, around, but it was more the fact that it was quite rudimentary, you know, because we had
00:17:29
Speaker
dial-up internet and for those kids listening out there if you don't know what dial-up internet is, look it up on YouTube because it's an amazing sound. I'll leave it there but yeah, the crazy thing about it though was these rumours were universal for a time where the internet, even though we did have the forums eventually around gold and silver time, I mean we got Pokemon around the late 90s, early 2000s because I think 2000 was when they brought out Pokemon yellow. Sure.
00:17:58
Speaker
Could be wrong in that, but I'm pretty sure that's when that particular version came out. The fact of the matter is, it's just absolutely crazy to think that everybody at the time was spouting the same rumours. You know, they were talking about you under the truck. They were talking about Professor Oak. They were even talking about Bill's Garden, which is the other one.
00:18:16
Speaker
Sure, yeah, they're very similar to the Pallet Town one, which has again beat the Elite Four 100 times or catch every Pokémon 100 times. What was supposed to be Inville's garden? I don't remember. I think. Probably Mew. Just chillin' at that beach lounge. Yo, what's up? My name's Mew. Gonna catch my eye.
00:18:36
Speaker
I don't know why he was Scottish. Of course he'd be. Of course not. The most devious kind of Pokémon, the Scottish Mew. Yeah, I think it was just a rare Pokémon that was supposed to be there. I think it was if he showed them all the Eviolitions, Lady Ojotion and Vaporeon and Evie. That was a good one. Because I think he does tell you about them. He shows you them for your Pokedex, but he doesn't give you them.
00:18:56
Speaker
So you know about them but I think if you were meant to show them then there was meant to be this big area and of course people have gone out of bounds to double check and it's a lie. I'm sorry guys. I don't want you to find out this way but it's an unadulterated lie.
00:19:11
Speaker
One that you just, and I don't know if this was in relation to Bill's Garden, but one that just sort of sparked to my memory bank as you just started talking there about Mew being in Bill's Garden was, one of the rumours I remember now is there was a period between, and we'll chat about this maybe in one of our next episodes, but there was a period between Generation 1 and Generation 2, sort of when Pokemon Yellow was out, that we were aware there was more Pokemon coming.
00:19:32
Speaker
So the Pokemon movie comes out and there's some new stuff already in that because Togepi, which is a generation 2 Pokemon, is already in the anime by this point so it must have been earlier than that. So one of the ones I remember from Bill's Garden was that Togepi was in the game and that was where he got him. I don't know if it was Bill's Garden or somewhere similar but that was one that someone gave you and that's just, you've mentioned it, I'm like, of course we would think the Generation 2 Pokemon were in Generation 1 as well.
00:19:56
Speaker
Do you know what's crazy about that though? It's the fact that C nowadays, if that was the case, then they 100% could patch it into the game. It's a weird thing because C back then, you know, once the game was done, it was done. There was no... What a disaster. Yeah, exactly. There was no updating it. There was no patching it. That was it. You got what you got.
00:20:16
Speaker
essentially. It was absolutely crazy to think of a time where, yeah, that was it. Here's your game, kids. Yeah, I remember that. Have I ever told you, like, how I found out about Generation 2? No, but I am wondering if this is another room I saw. No, no, this isn't a room, this is 100% true. Let's go for it. So, I was in a particular cinema, you know, not gonna name any names, but I'll tell you after. But I was in a cinema when I was younger, can't remember what was seen, but I was coming out and for some reason this cinema used to carry themes
00:20:43
Speaker
postcards just when you were walking through the corridor. They would just have them hanging up for some reason. Really cool, don't get me wrong, but just really weird. And I saw this weird creature on the front and I think it was like Typhlosion and they had like Meganium and things. I was like, what is that? That looks like Pokemon, but it's not Pokemon because I've got Pokemon. And I know them all.
00:21:04
Speaker
I know 151, I've seen the anime, I'm a goddamn Pokemon master, who wants to throw it down? I looked at it and then, you know, it was like taglines underneath, like, come adventure with me, come do this, that, and it was to advertise Generation 2, and I was like, oh my god! You know, obviously I knew about toga peaking things, but beyond that, I had no concept of, oh my god, there's going to be a sequel, it's going to be bigger and better. Two things, number one, I love the idea that when you were a kid, you were so into a Pokemon fan, you called it an anime.
00:21:34
Speaker
Thing two, and I don't know if you ever saw this one or if you were ever aware of this one, I wasn't until I was an adult and I think that's partly because I wasn't on the internet so much at this point but the whole concept of peek-a-blue. Oh yes. So I wasn't aware of this at the time and it wasn't until much later in life that I found this one and it is very, very funny. So as you're saying, the Generation 2 launch
00:21:53
Speaker
There's so many rumors about that and what was in it and you see Don Fan in the Pokemon movie and that was this whole thing that that was an amazing Pokemon dollar and they're teasing other Pokemon like ho-ho was already in the show by this point. Teasing lots of things and there is a Pikachu looking guy that is blue. And that became, we know it now as Maro, but at the time apparently people started calling it Pika Blue and it was rumored to be a new Pikachu.
00:22:17
Speaker
I wonder why, though. Well, I get why, you know. It has the exact face. That is what I think is what does it. But it's weird because, again, we know this through retrospective right enough, but in every generation there's always a knockoff Pikachu. You know, in Generation 2, technical heroes Pichu. Generation 3, it was Minnan and Russell, I think. Generation 4, Pachirisu, 5... Ooh, I don't know what the fifth one was. Emoga? What was that? Oh, Emoga, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, wow! I did not expect that.
00:22:47
Speaker
Trivia episode's gonna go well boys! But yeah, no, I do remember Peekaboo. But speaking of Peekaboo and weird evolutions, have you heard of the Yoshi Rumour?
00:23:02
Speaker
that's put something in my brain. Tell me. It's sparking something but I can't put it in. I can't think of what the pre-evolution of it is. So it was an April Fool's and I can't remember the specifics but one of these guys in these forms was like oh to get Yoshi in it and it was like to evolve Dragonite? Yes. Had to use like a firestone I wonder. I could be totally wrong and I'm sure it was a firestone or something like that and yeah yeah someone that actually made a sprite for it.
Creepypastas and Unusual Pokémon Myths
00:23:34
Speaker
There was also another thing, it was like Luigi was supposed to be in the game. Just as a Pokémon. I don't know how to think it, like Yoshi, at least you could kind of say, right, okay, it's a creature. Yeah, yeah, okay, fine, but Luigi! No, this makes perfect sense though because Pikachu's in Smash Bros, so obviously they made you a bit in Pokémon. We didn't have the MCU at that point, okay? This is the closest thing we had.
00:24:01
Speaker
These were dark days, guys. I mean, before that, we had the 90s Captain America phone. Go on. I mean, those were the halcyon days. I think I'm going to be sick. On the subject of dark days and going to be sick, I do have to mention... What? I'm sick. Thank you. This is why I get paid the big bucks. Andrews wasn't just like, you're getting paid. This is why I get paid the big bucks. I do have to mention Lavender Town. And I don't want to go too deep into this because obviously there's certain subjects that we won't talk about in the podcast. Rest in peace, those guys.
00:24:32
Speaker
Okay, apparently you're going to talk about it, but we do have to talk about Lavender Town. Yeah. I feel like if we didn't, it would be a complete disservice to those kids. Sorry, go on.
00:24:44
Speaker
Lavender Town is the ghost spooky bit in Pokemon and one of the common things in these forums was creepy pastas and these kind of good arms and legs by their selves and basically they always follow the same structure which is game looks like it's been normal, something happens, realistic blood.
00:25:02
Speaker
for some reason to imagine programming that on the Gameboy and Jump Scare's person is either dead or rocks fall they're dead. Rocks fall someone dies. You see this very much with like Sonic.exe is one of the famous ones, there's a Mario.exe and Pokemon had its own version which was Lambentown.
00:25:18
Speaker
and one of my favourite sort of parts of this room is the thing that we're referencing for Lambda Time is specifically what basically drove a bunch of people to kill themselves is the part of it but there was also a lot of things about the song itself which is like you can play it backwards and it would spell out things and if you opened up the audiophile which was something that's very easy to do nowadays you just open it and it has to stay but back then nobody knew what that meant but if you opened the audiophile it would like spell out 666 or like realistic blood probably
00:25:43
Speaker
Oh, the Pero-Clutchers in America must have been going wild on this river. Are you saying? The satanic panic's real, guys! How you doing? Oh my god, here we go again. So, I did have to mention Lavender Town. I'd love to hear your thoughts on Lavender Town and the general creepy pasta world around here. Yeah, the reason I'm being so flippant about this is because, for anybody listening, thinking, why are you starting to not be being so flippant? Because it's not true, right?
00:26:08
Speaker
You know, do you normally think I'm going to come on and be like, oh, haha, I want to pee those kids. No, no, no. I mean, kids did get hurt with Pokemon, but it was through the anime and the Porygon episode, right? Hashtag Porygon did nothing wrong, but that's another episode. He's got his own 20 minute episode written just for that. I mean, even Pokemon came out and said Porygon did nothing wrong. It was Pikachu and it was, but that's another conspiracy because you can't slap that in the box.
00:26:37
Speaker
But yeah, it was that idea of just shaking his head in the corner. The fact is that the Lavender Town rumor comes from a long line of creepypastas where, yeah, as you said, Realistic Blood, that's one of them. Oh, I went to a garage sale and the creepy man gave me Pokémon. Don't take Pokémon games from the street.
00:27:00
Speaker
See, now this is the thing, like, see back in, I feel so old saying back in our day, but genuinely when we were growing up it was drummed into us things like don't do drugs, don't take things from strangers, be very aware of your surroundings, you know, very good lifelong lessons. Those lessons have been discarded for the trends of TikTok, right? Speedrun, take creepy cartridges!
00:27:23
Speaker
Pokémon! No but that's true though, it's like oh I was walking by myself and then all of a sudden oh whoops oh bearded man came and gave me a cartridge and you're like I believe that your account sir is very flawed. You're not a reliable narrator, random person on the internet Pokémon fad 1237.
00:27:47
Speaker
And the thing that we're referencing when we see realistic blood is the fact that every time there's an account, they always say they're realistic blood and oh, everybody's died, oh. Yeah, realistic goat always showing in these games despite computer graphics being like one polygon per square inch. Yes!
00:28:04
Speaker
Yeah, because this is the same era where when we tried to catch Pokemon, we would, and this is another rumor, but we would hold A and B down, or just B. I would actually do down and tap B. Oh, of course. Did it work? Oh yeah, 100%. Oh, of course. I would actually go on, officially go on your podcast and I want to tell the world that holding the Game Boy upside down, pressing down, which would then be up, I guess, and then mashing B every time. I can't wait to record the retraction.
00:28:32
Speaker
Just to be like, I'm sorry for the lot of smoke in this episode. What a bop. Apparently this is some magic though, because obviously as I established at the beginning of the episode, by the time you and I left the series, I mean don't get me wrong, we never feel like we're kind of on the outskirts of it. Yeah, the press, but that's such a good one. I forgot my thesaurus today, so it's on the truck.
00:28:59
Speaker
I left it with Professor Oak. But apparently, during Generation 4, with the rise of the DS, it had a microphone in it for certain games. And a lot of people said that if you yell, gotcha, or something like that, can't remember something like that, and they yelled that, then technically that would help the full size of catching. And I was like, really?
00:29:24
Speaker
That's good, I like that. But then, you say that, really? But then it's like, the previous generation, the one that just came out before it, which is something I wish I'd mentioned in my facts, but you had the ready trio. That was the most made up thing, you caught them by having specific Pokémon and using specific moves in certain locations, and you had to read Braille, even though- You're not supposed to read Braille! Braille's a 3D physical thing that you use your hands for, you had to- It's like he did sideline, you know? It's like bizarre. So, when you say these things, and I always want to establish and keep this crowded,
00:29:53
Speaker
Oh come on, there's so much full of nonsense that honestly yelling gotcha into the microphone. Isn't the weirdest thing? Honestly, probably true. That's the thing though, because there's a lot of cut content that we know now through looking at the files and things was supposed to happen, but the one that always gets me is the fact that the Reggie trio in Sapphire, Ruby and Emerald, that was fine, you know, reading Braille. It's not getting to that again, but reading
00:30:21
Speaker
reading Braille that was fine that was a hundred percent fine but apparently there was a vent or something to get Arceus or Arceus whatever you want to call him but the fact is you're supposed to go into this cave you were supposed to play a poke flute and took you to a literal stairway to heaven where you met Arceus and you caught him that was too complicated for kids apparently according
00:30:42
Speaker
a game think that was too complicated, yet somehow the Regis weren't. And what's even weirder is, and I don't know if you've played or know much about Sea Sword and Shield the generation before, as of this episode. But there was a Pokemon where it kind of benefits like one of the food type Pokemon which is I think I'll always have an issue with more than you having issues with human clothing on Pokemon. I thought you were going to say me having an issue with food.
00:31:10
Speaker
Yeah, there's this Pokémon that you have to turn your switch upside down and evolve them or spin on the circle. I was going to say, finally, the ice cream Pokémon, you have to hold certain items in your party and spin and it mixes the ice cream with the thing.
Space, Deoxys and Unrealized Myths
00:31:25
Speaker
Yeah. It's so weird because that is something you think, oh, somebody's pranking me here. Someone is 100% pranking, but no, it's true, apparently. That's good. Yeah, because we have to check though, which is to disprove it. But back then,
00:31:37
Speaker
Back then, that would have been all over the place. This is like, you know when you look back in the past and you're like, how did they believe in witchcraft? You know, this is our satanic panic. How did that happen? There's one actually that I want to bring up and I don't know if you would have came across this one about going to space. Have you seen that? Absolutely not.
00:31:59
Speaker
So, in Pokémon, I think, Ruby Sapphire Emerald, Generation 3, there is a space station called Mossdeep Space Station. It's like the big island you go to. One of many, because it's all underwater. I shagged too much water. Ha ha ha. That's dated it then!
00:32:15
Speaker
I was going to say, that was dated 10 years ago. There is a particular scene or rather area where, as I said, you go into the space station and they count up from how many successful lunches they've had. So, like, one week you'll go, and, oh, we've had four, and then next week, oh, we've had five. And apparently it does nothing. It's just, ha ha, genuinely.
00:32:35
Speaker
it's the biggest tease of Pokémon because people thought when they reached 100 or if again you beat the Elite Four so many times then you would jettison off into space and you would fight Deoxys in space which technically is something that they did fix in the remakes technically because there is like a post-game story where you can fight Deoxys in space but Deoxys isn't the game but he's like kind of vent only Pokémon so you had to get a particular item from the same bearded man that was getting
00:33:05
Speaker
And it's so weird, yeah. So he has it in the game, so is Mew. But again, it's a vent only and it's nothing to do with the space station. One thing, it's funny just when you mentioned it with the count up and it doesn't do anything. One that I believed in as a kid, and I don't think that, I don't know if this was a rumour or just I made this up myself.
00:33:21
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in the comments.
00:33:40
Speaker
Now, I have never heard that, but that makes so much sense. I don't know if I ever loaded the game back up to find out, but I assume it doesn't come back. Yeah. And this is this thing about Game Freak not knowing the power of, you know, we were talking about me and the truck and the patch, the grass. I don't think Game Freak understood the power they had over children. But if you dangle that carrot in front of them, oh, the SS hand comes back once a year. Well, it's coming back next year. An adult wouldn't lie to me.
00:34:06
Speaker
Kids, this is a PSA. That don'ts do a lot. Especially Game Freak. I've got freak in the name, don't trust me. Well that is true. There was just so many rumours though that floated about at that time and as I said, it's definitely a product of its time because one that I don't think we've touched on yet, speaking of Yoshi, oh no, thanks for being on it. Do you remember Mew Three?
00:34:30
Speaker
So yeah, not Muse 3 specifically, but I want to talk about, I don't know if this is the same concept, so where does Muse 3 come from? Because I think we've got, I don't know if I've got the same thing here, but... I think it's Generation 3. I couldn't do wrong. At least it looks like a Generation 3 sprite, because whenever I saw the screenshots and things like that, it was always the leaf green, the fire red, that kind of backdrop. It was always that, it was never the old kind of school deformed one.
00:34:57
Speaker
That's the right you used to get back in the good old days. Back when Pokemon was Pokemon. Not like these Digimon looking people. So what I think maybe 3 might have been is when you were talking about receiving your cartridge from a weird bearded man. Yeah, that was the style at the time. It was the style at the time and what was also the style at the time was fake games. Or Pokemon Mononoke edition.
00:35:21
Speaker
We're gonna talk about fan games another time, but this isn't a fan game as such. People would sell them at like, car boot sales or... They still do. They still do to be fair. If you go to any market when you're on holiday, they always have it. Do you want the photo eight? Yeah. See, this is the thing. I don't mind so much that they've got them. They can't love it, I suppose. But the fact is, it's not even that, it's always the same one. It's like Pokémon Diamond or like, this was before Diamond came out. Yes. Pretty good for guessing the names because I started plating them as well.
00:35:50
Speaker
But it was like Pokemon whatever edition here and it was always the deer from Princess Mononoke that they had underneath. I could never understand why it was this specific artwork. They were committed to the brand and you've got to give them that.
00:36:05
Speaker
Yeah, but that thing in those games, I think, were full of stuff. Yeah. Because they would have been either just nonsense or they would have actually been a game in disguise. And so I think that's another thing that fed into the room machine was like, oh, Mufi, it probably was the Princess Monoki game, maybe, or maybe it was like Kirby or something like who knows what these games actually were or it could have been, you know, RPG Maker fan games that were put on these cartridges because so many of them became like, I think a lot of that
00:36:32
Speaker
that came into the pop culture and
Fake Pokémon Games and Creative Fan Myths
00:36:35
Speaker
stuff. A lot of them were just taken from these games. I think there's like evolutions that ended up being Digimon and things like that as well. The Digimon Pokemon crossover was very complicated. Have you ever seen the Pikachu platformer at home? It's like, I don't even know how to describe this. It's like a side-scroller with Pikachu, but I think they did a hack or rather changed the sprites from Pikachu to Sonic, but then it's like a
00:37:00
Speaker
A bootleg of a bootleg cos it's not even originally a Sonic game. It's like the same jump animation things but it's not a real Sonic game so it's a hack of a hack. Oh it's so weird. I think I'm out of rooms. See when you think about the really cool and funny roomers it's usually Generation 1, Generation 2. Thinking back to Generation 2, there was some. As we said, the peak of blue and things like that but I don't think there was really as many in comparison to Generation 1.
00:37:30
Speaker
I think maybe if you're a little older. Do you want to read one more? I've actually got one that I want to read out. This was from Generation 3. There was a rumour. This was covered by a YouTuber called Smallant and he covered it recently but it was called The Magic Muffler.
00:37:46
Speaker
I beg your pardon. I was in a muffler for a car exhaust or a scarf. So this is one of these ones that kind of inspired me to do this because you know so much this is true. So this was from a forum posted in June 6 2005 at 11 o'clock at night.
00:38:06
Speaker
I don't know why that means it's so much funnier! There's 10-year-old boy on the internet! At 11 o'clock at night going, do you know what I'm gonna talk about? The magic muffler! I'm gonna spread lies on the internet. Do you think people would do that? Ugh, don't think so. So, okay, this is too complicated for beginners, so I suggest that only those who succeed will do these cheats if you want. It's up to you.
00:38:26
Speaker
First thing to do, release all of your Pokémon except the weakest one. All my Pokémon are level 100. Cool face, so it's worth it. Second thing to do, challenge Elite 4. You should win it. Also, this cheat will work fast. If you won't use any healing items, don't forget, challenge Elite 4 10 times. It's going up already.
00:38:45
Speaker
Third thing to do, trade with a friend. Trade your weakest Pokémon, which, no, it doesn't work, because you'd only have one Pokémon. Your friend would give you a Vitata holding a Clapapa Berry. Is this Gen 1? This is Gen 3. Oh, okay. So, one of the things about this Berry, because this was again smaller than this, you couldn't get that Berry in Gen 3 without having Gale of Darkness. Yeah.
00:39:05
Speaker
I won't go through the whole thing, but fourth thing is you have to use the first secret on every single Pokemon trainer from Pallet Town to the 7 Islands. It's gen 3, 5 early frames, what it is. Fourth thing, catch your Ditini, raise it up to a Dragonite, make a Dragonite hold a Sarlacc Berry, challenge your Elite 4 or 5 more times, go to Professor Oak and then use Fly Indos three times, trade your Dragonite, the Sarlacc Berry will become a Magic Muffler.
00:39:36
Speaker
That is not worth it.
00:39:39
Speaker
that is the thing about all these cheats is so many of them were like release everything and beat something a hundred times.
Reflection on Pokémon Rumors and Modern Impact
00:39:45
Speaker
Do you know that actually happened to Andrew? I'm pretty sure. Andrew sorry for calling you out in this episode but that's what he told me I'm sure. He's mentioned it in an episode where he got really upset because there was some rumor where it was like oh you have to release your most powerful Pokémon. He was like I don't want to do that of course but you know he did and now he's posting a podcast with me so I mean who won right?
00:40:07
Speaker
who won out of that arrangement, you tell me. Yeah, it's a shame to be honest, because despite the fact I was kind of laughing at it and reminiscing about it, it's a shame that nowadays kids probably won't get the same, I don't want to say excitement, but you know the same kind of wonder about the game. Yeah, it's a different type of thing though.
00:40:25
Speaker
Yeah, because nowadays, as I said in the very beginning, you can just go on the internet, you can Google it, you can look up your favourite YouTuber, and that's the thing, it's like, oh no, it's not as fun as it were, but even still, like, you're not wasting your time, is all I'll say. You're not wasting your time nowadays, but even back then, it was a time of wonder and exploration, let's just say. A time of learning not to trust everyone.
00:40:48
Speaker
Well, on that note, and this is indeed not a rumor, thank you Martin for coming on and discussing Pokemon rumors. You're welcome and one thing to take away is don't trust what you view on the internet unless it's about Pokemon. Or us. Or us. Well, mainly Pokemon but...
00:41:05
Speaker
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00:41:27
Speaker
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00:41:56
Speaker
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00:42:08
Speaker
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00:42:38
Speaker
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00:42:58
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