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Speaker: Go look at your paycheck. It's not at least 100 grand a month. You got work to do. lot of you guys jack off all day. Seriously. i mean, like, you guys just bullshit all the time. Greatness comes from doing mundane shit that average people can't keep doing. It's not all fucking sexy and fired up. It's staying consistent, doing the shit you need to do over and over and over and over.
Speaker: Everybody told me what's fucking possible. Fuck everybody. I called my own shots. I'm not a crowd pleaser. I fucking destroyed it.
Speaker: Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of Growing Up Christian. I'm Sam. I'm Casey. And today we are hanging out with our friend Jillian. What's up, Jillian? What's up, guys?
Speaker: Jillian is a friend of the show. ah Second time joining us. And ah we hang out in Discord. We message on Instagram. She has the best taste in online content. Yes.
Speaker: Beats me to a lot of cringe posts. I do? Do I really? I feel like I see, oh sometimes I'm scrolling, I'm like, oh, God, what is this? And it says liked by by ah by your profile. That's hilarious, because i I feel like I can't keep up with your, like, the stuff that you post, it's...
Speaker: Yeah, I'm like, Casey's got his own algorithm going there. we i beat I beat Catatonic Youth to a couple this week, and I was like, oh man, I'm really, I'm pacing now.
Speaker: yeah yeah about it I love it because sometimes I'll open up the podcast Instagram page, and it'll be like, i'll I'll see a bunch of stuff was sent to it by Casey.
Speaker: But then I go to the Instagram page and it's just like, there's like 12 new stories of just psychopaths on the internet. I'm like, what what is all of this? Yes.
Speaker: But that's what gets the like, I mean, people like that. I post something somewhat serious and it's just like gets washed over. So who cares? Yeah. It's crazy. i feel like since Tik TOK, um,
Speaker: I don't know. Anything goes now. Like you, if you have a phone, you can just, I know that I'm literally explaining the way that TikTok works, but you can just post anybody. Anybody can post a video and do anything.
Speaker: And then Because of how ridiculous it is, you have like millions of views. And i don't know. I'm over here just kind of like, well, what the fuck am I doing with my life? It's crazy. will tell there is like...
Speaker: There's definitely a hierarchy of ah of content and there is an unequivocal bottom rung of content creation and it is food reviews.
Speaker: That is like the lowest caliber output of anything out there. And that's not to say there's not people who don't do it well and make it interesting, but like everyone who can hit record.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Who doesn't want to watch that guy who sexual will assault people? Who doesn't want to watch him just hawk down an entire pizza and then talk about how good it is?
Speaker: Yeah. Talk about fighting back against the communists because they want you to keep your AC at 78 and not overtax the failing grids that we have across the country.
Speaker: I don't think I see many food reviews. That's just not that just doesn't pop up on my feed. well oh cool i haven't You haven't debased yourself to the extent that I have. Casey sees him because he searched mukbang a lot for a long time, and now he can't get away from the food reviews.
Speaker: Look at that. I don't even find it sexy anymore, you know? I don't know what that is, and I'm happy to admit that. it's just ah That's when people like they just eat a huge, disgusting amount of food on stream.
Speaker: Oh, lot of times they like ah don't have shirts their mouth open and burp. It's kind of like a I feel like that's kind of leaning toward like a kink.
Speaker: ah It feels sexual. Yeah. um It feels like it. And then you watch it and you go, who is? who is this sexual for? Um, I think it's more sexual for the person doing it.
Speaker: I don't know. and i forgotten i've watch I've never gotten the psychology of, um, of mukbang, but, Can we, since we're talking about the internet, can we talk about Bob Hickman quick and just. Yes. I was going to mention him.
Speaker: I was going to bring him up because you, you love Bob Hickman. I do. You've gone, you've been sucked into that vortex um probably harder than Casey or I at this point. you You're still following the journey. You might be able to give us an update on his life and what path he's on.
Speaker: All right. You know what, you guys? I do have an update. um So Bob Hickman is unfortunately, not surprisingly, but he is using a lot of ai He's going with AI. He loves it.
Speaker: It's killing me. I hate it. He gets a pass. feel there's a level of cognition required to hold it against somebody for their use of And I don't hold it against him. It's just i long i long for the old days of like, and I haven't seen these videos in a while. I don't know if he's still doing them, but the little exercise videos where he's in his like a really creepy, disgusting, haunted basement. like like In a FedEx shirt? Going up and down.
Speaker: Yes, the FedEx shirt. And just talking about, you know, oh hey, guys, I'm going to go to work. Anyway, you know. You can see a little bit of his left nut hanging out the bottom. Oh my god. i don't know how he gets away with that. i guess It's like watching Leatherface's brother do like calisthenics. Weird.
Speaker: yeah yeah Talk about his new trucking schedule or whatever. He got fired from FedEx, though, he just refused to give the shirts back, which I think is hilarious. I love that. If he's going to do any sort of protest against the man, that's great. Do what you can. Keep all their shirts. Fuck them.
Speaker: He he's just got a whole box. He took a few off the back of the truck before he finally got fired. Did you guys see this was like maybe this is like maybe like six months ago or something. But he posted this video where like I'm going to try not to laugh because that's mean. But it looked like he had just gotten like hit by a car or something. Yeah.
Speaker: He was like on the it looks like he was on the side of the road by his truck and he was like he was talking about how he just had like a horrible accident. He looked like he was in a lot of pain. Like I was worried about him. for was like this might be it for Bob.
Speaker: I don't know. That guy cannot sustain another brain injury, that's for sure. No. No. He can't. I mean, there's not a – he's out of options with the haircut. Like you can't cover another horrifying scar with that bowl cut.
Speaker: So Amber's not doing so well. That's what's. Oh, yeah. And I mean, at this point, like, Bob, like you come up, like you are exploiting her like at this point, like it is like I think it's reached.
Speaker: he's He's crossed that line. I Amber, you know, she's on. He's just using her for content. I feel like so. You think he's on that level?
Speaker: At first, no, but I feel like it's progressed a lot, um especially recently and... I don't know. i I think that Bob does know that you know his followers and the people that are watching, that we like Amber. you know Amber's funny.
Speaker: She's the life of the party. ah So i I don't know. when i want to I'm waiting for for someone to put together like a graphic novel of a Bob Hickman comic book.
Speaker: that would adventures of bob and amber yeah i'd be all about that great like zach snyder adaptation yeah i just wish i wish that his videos were longer they're always like it cut off before they're finished like five second videos and i'm just you're just getting into it and then it's like oh okay well i i guess i'll find like another one to watch yeah i guess tlc give him like a reality show no kidding like Dude, he could be like the religious equivalent of the turtle man.
Speaker: Yeah. And ah there's just probably some ethical line there because it's it is wild. The videos that make me uncomfortable is when it's just like Amber clearly high on heroin or something. And she's, you know, when they like lean a lot and shake back and forth, you're like, this feels, this feels really, especially in that basement, seeing someone on heroin's wild anyway. She's talking to me as just like verbal static.
Speaker: Yeah, in the corner of a basement. It looks like she's... Like, in any other context, you'd be like, some this person's being held captive and drugged in this basement. but It literally looks like a found footage horror movie. Yeah, it's terrifying. It does. And then, like, all the... In the basement, like, all the...
Speaker: i don't I don't want to call it debris. I guess it's like dust floating in the air. yes it It's a smestos. yeah and look hard the g debt detritus it looks like someone threw a grenade in there and then moved in after it went off. It's nuts.
Speaker: yeah If you filled it with water, it would look just like the ah like the midnight zone, you know, where like all those like squid without eyes are floating around just eating like is that the fallen dumps on the surface. It does have the look of but like if you do if you his basement is a whale fall.
Speaker: but Yeah, it really does have the look of a sunken ship above water. It does. Oh, my gosh, it does. That's so true. but it's ah That's a spider crab house.
Speaker: it's It's wild. He's on a wild journey. Yeah, it's sad. You call his reality show Five Nights at Bobby's? I, yeah, I accept Bob for who he is. And yeah, you know what? I think Bob is actually happy.
Speaker: i think he might actually, yeah. And I think he, i think he likes himself. I think he actually likes himself and just accepts who he is. And you know what? That's like all I want really.
Speaker: So and I mean, good for him. i do miss a little bit of the, um, the The more spiritual side of Bob, though. and We don't get that as much anymore, you know?
Speaker: That's true. God entered my body like a body my same size. I miss that. Yeah. Maybe God isn't scratching and biting him as much anymore. It's all those women he's finding at the... What's that gas station he always goes to?
Speaker: Same gas station. Thorntons? Thorntons? You could go hang out there and wait for him to show up. He's there all the time. want to find where Indiana somewhere. I think he's in like yeah a suburb like north.
Speaker: i want I think it's like northeast Indiana from what I put together in brain. Very little research. but Yeah, from that map you have in your basement with circles drawn around all the gas stations in a five-mile radius. right It's got a pin in it that just white trash Gotham City.
Speaker: Oh, God. Yeah. a Well, I am unhappy. You are unhappy. I got some really terrible news right before we started the podcast.
Speaker: I've been banned from the Christian dating subreddit. Are you serious? oh They're on to me, dude. The geek is off.
Speaker: Wait, you're serious? What post got you banned? Did they tell you which one? It doesn't say, but the last one that I commented on was, it was about, um it was a lady talking about how, I can just read it to you, because I'll i'll defend this position. Yeah, let's hear it. But,
Speaker: um I can still see posts, but I can't comment on them anymore. Okay. Which is fine. no while i'm not in that I'm not in the fold, so they're ah you know it's reasonable for them to not want me in there talking to people.
Speaker: I mean, the occasional dissenting opinion is good for, know, in a dialectical sense. yeah And it's unfortunate that these people aren't willing to grapple with other perspectives, at least for the very sake of refining their own, you know?
Speaker: Yeah, not a lot of teachable ah folks in these ah in these places. So Christian Dating Advice, it says, men, what's with the preferred ages?
Speaker: He says, maybe this is just a personal thing but why are so many christian men in their forty s looking for women age twenty five to thirty five or something thereabouts it immediately puts me off when i see a man with this in his intro slash bio and it's not because i didn't i don't fit into this range l lo well Are single dads really expecting 25 year old women to be interested? it just seems a little off to me. i don't see anything wrong with a moderate age gap, but actively looking for ladies who are 15 years, your junior. I just need to understand the logic.
Speaker: I'm on this guy's team. This is a lady, but. Oh, I'm on this lady's team. Okay. explain Why? Yeah. Uh, yeah. why yeah ah It's just how I feel. I think that when 40 year old person like actively like in search of a certain age range, I think it, I think it's off putting. I think, I think it's strange. I think you're, I mean, yeah, you're probably like divorced. um You're just looking for some young, hot, young, hot babe. And you don't want to grapple with the fact that you're getting older and that,
Speaker: The people you like are getting older. The people age are going to look like they're your age. And you have to... You should just grow up and deal with that. I think I misunderstood. So you're saying you agree with the person... poster, yeah. Yeah. Okay, okay. Oh, yeah. was like, I didn't feel like this. I didn't feel like I had... I think he shifted mid-answer. I'm like, hey, if you agree, you agree. I mean...
Speaker: I, it's also weird because like, if we're going to flesh it out more, not that i you know, I have to further explain myself because it turns out we're all on the same team here. But um when I, I work in a field with a lot of younger people, 20, I mean, 23, 24, 25, whatever, like early to mid twenties.
Speaker: And you can, you know, as you know, colleagues and stuff, you're like, all right, cool. There's a couple, there's a couple that I've like, We could hang out outside of work, a couple that I really like and i'm friends with. But like a lot of the times I'm very aware of like an age gap um when I'm hanging out with someone who's like 25. Yeah.
Speaker: the people that I'm, I can be friends with, uh, at work are the ones that make me less aware of that age gap. And I just feel like I'm hanging out with someone who's cool. Um, but like, I don't, it just, if you're actively looking for someone who's like 25 and you're 40, it's like, there's such a huge difference in like the way you should conduct yourself. And if you're a 40 year old man, that's like actually at the level of like a 25 or, which is possible. It's just, uh, no one your age wants to be around you. I don't know you've been around 40 year olds that still think they're 25, but it's a little or act like they're 25, I should say. It's gross. It's weird. It's like your friend's dad back in the day who was single and got like the frosted tips and spiked his hair and shopped at PacSun.
Speaker: Yes. Yes. It's exactly it. It's exactly it So my dad's got a Trans Am you're like, okay, yeah that that's fine. Let me take you for a ride in my classic car.
Speaker: Yeah, I more or less said the same thing. So I said, ah I can't imagine what a person my age, 39, would have in common with a 20-year-old romantic partner. Well, I guess you could make the argument that it's about fertility because that's what all of these people are saying. It's like, well, from a pragmatic standpoint, a woman in her 20s is much more likely to have children.
Speaker: I said, oh pragmatics i have my doubts. I'm sure stable, well-adjusted 45 year old single men are out there, but in my so experience, men I've known who have pursued much younger women wouldn't fit that description.
Speaker: It calls to mind this video, which I posted a video about, uh, that whole trope in movies. That's like born sexy yesterday. i'm not familiar So it's a thing that is in a lot of different movies, but it's like, uh,
Speaker: Think like um the girl in the fifth element or Cora and in ah theron the new Tron movies. you know It's like an adult woman who is as naive as a child and this –
Speaker: experienced world weary man comes along and and gets to like teach her about the world and shape her outlook on everything. But she is like, you know, good at punching and kicking or something.
Speaker: OK, yeah. So in it and you start to notice that there's it's like a a repetitive thing that you see in a lot of movies where it's like this older guy who's like, oh, come on, sweetheart. I'll teach you what the world's all about and blah, blah. It's it's kind of weird. I don't know. But it it's a I think that's a lot of what's happening here. and and Some of these guys will even say it. They'll be like, well, um you know younger women are typically much easier to lead and and ah you know mentor spiritually. Yeah, that's the whole thing. That's what it is. That's what it's all about.
Speaker: It's a bunch of impotent men who didn't who they got divorced because their wives wouldn't quote-unquote submit and theyre they were just fucking assholes the whole time. I was thinking of last week's, ah what you guys talked about last week, because her wife wouldn't swallow.
Speaker: Oh my God. that was just a symptom of her, you know, lack of spiritual coachability, I think. Here's what I'm wondering. Are, are these people are in this, in this Reddit, are they looking for younger women? Like, I'm guessing they're looking like in their local church that they go to, right?
Speaker: Well, a lot of them are looking on Reddit um and like the subreddits, those like in the Christian dating subreddits like people will post their picture, their age and like a little bio. And they're like actively looking on Reddit as well, which is crazy because it's not. That is crazy. Reddit's a large pool of people. Like you're not, you're going to find someone in your local area.
Speaker: Right. like interested. I mean, churches are absolutely, look, if you're a 45 year old man, churches are absolutely the best place to pray on women. I don't know what you're doing out on Reddit. Finding someone who lives across the country is the best possible thing because then you can make them uproot their life, move to a place where they know no one, and you can just isolate them on top of everything else. That's right. Like, what's his face?
Speaker: Oh, my gosh. Sorry, i just, I'm thinking back, I'm making connections from other episodes. um When you were talking about that guy, the guy who made that lady, like, move, ah she sold her business, she moved her kids, and then that Sunday, he, like, announced, like...
Speaker: That he was like leaving the church or something. Sorry, Tangent. Yeah. oh Oh, yes, yes. ah This is the guys in like palm Florida that he got in trouble for chatting with, like sending lewd text messages to to like women in the church.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah, they had that lady like uproot her entire life and move there to like three weeks later be like, we're closing down the church. Sorry. Yeah. I know you like that guy shut down your business and all. I have beef with that guy. Yeah. Yeah, he sucks. Ted Shuttlesworth Jr. You know what? That name stuck out to me because when I was in high school, not even, i was younger than high school, I knew a kid whose last name was Shuttlesworth and I hated him so much. I hated him so much. Just based on the fact of his last name, right? That last name pisses me off. It's not a great last name. Sorry to anyone out there who has that last name. ah My last name isn't perfect. Okay. Yeah. This kid had, um, he, he was a frosted tips kid with a visor. Um, Ooh, so that's already a bad look. Um, he just thought he was a player and he was, it was like, we were like 12. He was a couple years older than me.
Speaker: Um, Him and my my older brother were like mortal enemies. And they got in a fight at my house once and my brother picked up a rock and threw at his head. Oh, no. Whoa. like No, no, no.
Speaker: that kid picked up a rock and threw it at my brother's head. And then my brother was about to, was like legitimately going to beat the fucking shit out of him. And he ran to his car and locked himself in the car and stayed in there for like an hour. And I was like, he looks like such a pussy. It hot out.
Speaker: Yeah. It was, yeah. And ever since then, that last name just kind of dang sticks with me. is just I would his first name, too. I feel a little weird doing that. I guess it doesn't really matter. But it's just one of those first names that everybody hates, too.
Speaker: o Well, i'll I'll read you a couple of the comments here from people who are, ah you know, Answering this lady's question. So this is a guy who's so annoying. he He pops up on here all the time. I really hate his guts.
Speaker: He says, ah generally, men are attracted to younger women because of several reasons. Higher beauty, more fertility, less percentage of letting themselves go body-wise as metabolism slows,
Speaker: Older women tend to have more baggage. Younger women are easier to lead most of the time and so on. That being said, large age gaps are often problematic because the men who are looking for that can often be immature in various ways. Unlike this guy.
Speaker: um Unlike this guy. This guy gave a list of, ah he gave a list on a different post of like ways that women could make themselves more attractive to attract husband. Oh, wow. Fuck you, man.
Speaker: Hey, why don't you listen to this Jillian, listen to some of his advice first. ah you Don't, don't, we don't know until we hear it if he's actually a bad guy.
Speaker: We have an idea, but let's give him the benefit of the doubt. I bet he's got some great suggestions. He's probably describing like the archetype of women he likes to strangle in the woods. It's like, like Ted Bundy. Dark hair pointed down the middle, you know. Not big enough to fight back.
Speaker: That's his real problem with like heavyset women is that he just can't drag the bodies across the dirt easily. And that's because he's let himself go physically.
Speaker: Some of these men are looking to control or manipulate women, which is where the bad rap comes from, but not at all but not all. Given the state of dating, I'd be wary of men who are looking for 15 plus...
Speaker: which I think he means 15 plus younger, but I'm not going to rule out. fifteen I, I look, I don't want to inhibit people's free speech. Um, but I do think you should be legally required to post a picture of yourself whenever you comment on how other people should look. I think that is fair.
Speaker: That's fair. Yeah. Yeah. You start quoting like ideal body fat percentages and BMI and all that stuff. Like ah you have to have a you got to have a profile picture. Something tells me this guy might look a little bit like Ralphie May.
Speaker: That's just. a
Speaker: I think he might just be like a head in a bowl. Like from Futurama. He's like crying with no, noah you know, robot body. ralphing I think that's his name. Yeah. The comedian. Yep.
Speaker: that That's him. He's dead. Yeah. He was terminally fat. yeah It's not uncommon in South America and Africa to have 10-year age gaps between husbands and wives. The later you go back toward 1900 and before, in some places, 10 to 15 age gaps was normal.
Speaker: Probably the only thing about African culture that he appreciates. yeah Absolutely. And it's and it's who knows if it's even true. This predates dating. It was mostly due to men being more economically established by their early 30s and early 20s women wanting stability.
Speaker: Thanks, Professor. So now that you heard him out, Jillian. Higher beauty. What are your thoughts? all That's all I can think about right now. Higher beauty. what What do you think he means by that?
Speaker: Well, probably not makeup. He probably thinks women wear too much makeup. Yeah.
Speaker: It's just so confusing because it's like people, people get older unless you die. i mean, every, everybody ages. So i don't, I don't know. The whole age thing is just so stupid to me. that um are really bad about, cause I mean, we have, it's talked about, I mean, societally, this is a conversation that happens. Cause it's like, you think of all the older men in Hollywood who, and Hollywood's a bad example anyway, cause everyone stays like 20 years younger. Like,
Speaker: like jennifer aniston is like could be a grandma and she still looks like she's in her 40s you know what i mean like so there are people who hollywood's just always a bad example but when you think of like the like a lot of actors it's like the older actors like harrison ford or was it richard gear don't know there's like but it's always talked about how like oh these men age so well like men age really well it's like That that conversation around it, I think is like that. There's a that's there's a cultural conversation around that being the case.
Speaker: um ah You can say that um money helps, but like I could think of a lot of the people I know. in their 40s and 50s and it's like most people just age it's like you most people aren't staying like looking like tip top as they get old because they don't have the you know the personal trainer and that awesome diet to get ready for that movie it's just okay it's goofy i think our parents generation is like incapable of dealing with the fact that they age like
Speaker: they cannot handle it. And they get really weird in their pursuit of like, you know, not in the, in the, the quest to never have to acknowledge it.
Speaker: Weird diets, weird habits, weird little health hacks. I mean, if you, I don't know, you know, and I'm not one to talk cause I'm not the most healthy person in the world, but like, dude if you listen to like health and wellness podcasts all week,
Speaker: Like i I just, I feel like that's where that comes. It's not like you just really want to be healthy. It's like you cannot deal with aging and you're desperately looking for some sort of like elixir of youth, you know, which is colloidal silver. We all know. yeah There, I saved you hours of podcast listening. Yeah. Do you guys think, go ahead, Jillian.
Speaker: Oh, I was just going to say, can I chime in on that? Because mom and dad, I love you. i love my parents so much. But yeah, they definitely have like a very, very unhealthy relationship with aging.
Speaker: and Like my mom, for the longest time, she would not show me her driver's license because she didn't want me to see her like, you know, year that she was born. Like, oh my God, that's so crazy. um And yeah, my parents, my parents take very, very good care of themselves. um You know, they're still very active.
Speaker: um And they, you know, they have money to, you know, maybe get like injections here and there and stuff that makes them look younger. um so Basically, because I'm somebody who naturally just rebels against everything my parents taught me I've just trying to do the opposite.
Speaker: And, you know, I'm still trying to take care of myself, but um I don't want to have that, you know, just like unhealthy relationship with the way I look and the fact that, you know, I'm getting older. I'm 40 now.
Speaker: Yeah. Which is crazy. um We're right behind you. Yeah. So. Okay. Sorry, everybody. We're having a little technical difficulty here. It's my fault. streaming service It's Satan. He's trying to shut down the podcast. That's true.
Speaker: um Yeah, I mean, i don't want to say a lot about it, but just um I think our time here is very short. and why waste it on obsessing about how old you are and the fact that you're going to get older and then, oh, my God, you're going to get older. know, like it just I don't know, you know. The thing i think about in terms of getting older is we've all hung out with old people who seem like they don't even know what room they're in anymore.
Speaker: And they they can't like have a conversation and they just are very like self-absorbed. I feel like the older people get, the more they're like not hearing you and just saying their thing. That is what I don't want to do. I'm so tired of having yeah conversations with older people who are just like, where you're like, oh, cool. Thanks for not listening to a word I said and just waiting to interject a thing that was important to you to say. And I struggle with that now a little bit. Um,
Speaker: And I'm, I try to be super like aware of when I do that, uh, because God damn it, I hate when people do it to me and I don't want it to get worse as I get older.
Speaker: No, I know exactly the type of person you're talking about. Yeah. Yeah. But. All right. That's basically the consensus on ah on that thing is like, well, you know, these men are probably concerned about having children. And whoa it's like, yeah, nobody wants to nobody wants your lumpy headed tadpoles in them. Yeah. no like i Look, I have the I'm the pinnacle of human perfection. And of course, I biologically I want to spread my seed. Who wouldn't want to bear my children?
Speaker: No, thanks. We don't read up Elon Musk. They're like, Elon Musk just had a baby and he's like 60. And it's like, yeah, we don't need any more of those. yeah know And you know what? It'll be more impressive if he pays child support.
Speaker: Then I'll be impressed. At least with most people that like in most of those situations, you go, that's so crazy. It's going to be sad that that kid won't grow up to know their parents. Not in Elon's case. That's crazy.
Speaker: Great. Right. No one needs to know him as their dad. Like, yeah that's the but best case scenario for an uninvolved father. Let's put let's be clear. I don't know one needs that guy involved in their life helping raise their children.
Speaker: I do just want to point out, I do think that that whole like older guy looking for 25-year-old, it's just about manipulation. You just want to manipulate like a young Christian girl who You can make your wife and have her make babies for you and blah, blah, blah. I mean, that's just my opinion. but Yeah, I totally agree. You're not respectable enough to actually lead a family. So you want to just manipulate like whatever. like and i
Speaker: I have a hard time and I actually don't even believe that in these Christian homes. Like in my experience, ah I can speak anecdotally. All this like husband's head of the household stuff. It's just like, not usually like the moms kind of run the show and then just pretend like they default. Like, well, you know, like it's a, it's a team thing, but like father's out the house. It's like, no, they're not. They just, they're not. They, they do what you say. And then like a couple, like once a year they buy a lawnmower or something expensive and they just be like, I'm
Speaker: I've decided that this is what our family needs. And they get to like, they get like one card a year to use for like, I'm the head of the household. And the wife's just like you. Yes, you are like, and then they just roll with it. Like it's not it. it The way that you heard it preached isn't really what it is. um And everyone feels like they're just pretending like that. That's the case. It's not that like that's fine. Whatever. If that's what you need to tell yourself to feel like you're holy and spiritual and you fit well into your community.
Speaker: I don't really care as long as everything's like above water. Right. If you're having conversations and making decisions together. Cool. But like, him but yeah, this guy is just looking for like, nobody wants to listen to this guy. He's trying to find someone who will think he's like a cool older dude. And that's the end of the story.
Speaker: I would love to see some time go by and he finds somebody. Like he finds like a 25 year old and then some time goes by and he's like back on Reddit posting about, ya don't know.
Speaker: Looking for, like all the problems with her. Things didn't work out. She put on a couple pounds. I don't know. Yeah. Oh God. it's It's funny too, because it's like,
Speaker: when you're When you're that far apart, if you're 10 plus years apart, like you're just your cultural touch points are like so much different.
Speaker: no And i you have to imagine that in a relationship with it where it's like a 45-year-old 22-year-old girl Like it's like he he's not going to like any of the same things that she does naturally growing, you know, up in a completely different generation and stuff. And so immediately he's going to like use his dislike of those things as like evidence of, you know, like spiritual weakness or something like, yeah. Oh, she likes she likes TV shows that I find vapid and, you know,
Speaker: and empty or something and blah blah blah you know it's uh spiritual leadership that i'm uh i'm telling her that we're not watching those anymore just a bunch of stupid stuff like that it's just yeah just basically wants to be a dad to his wife hmm. Just don't date these. I don't know. Are are young women really dating these guys?
Speaker: I don't think in general they are. Right. I mean, there's there's odd situations here and there. But like by and large, just a run of the muck schlub who makes, you know, 80 grand a year, whatever, like 22 year old women aren't lining up to date that guy.
Speaker: no you're going to make a lot more than that. oh And I'm going to teach you how later. yeah Just subscribe to my eight week course.
Speaker: Yes. I found us a Messiah figure that we're going to check out. but Before we do that, um Jillian. Let's catch up with you. We jumped right in or jumped right into the the the world of Reddit, which I know you love. so Oh, I love it won't apologize for it. but Because i I don't have the patience for... I mean, I tried. i i tried going on the the Christian dating Reddit and...
Speaker: I'll dabble in it sometimes and just read stuff, but I i don't know. my My attention span and my ability to fully commit, I feel, is not as strong as, say, Casey's.
Speaker: That's his specialty. I've never seen anyone dive in deeper on things that are that's all like so meaningless than Casey. wish I could see that. Yeah, I love it. it It brings a lot of joy. to talent It's serving me well.
Speaker: yeah Hey, you still get your job done. So you don't have to apologize for anything. I have to, I have kids to raise. They get in the way of a lot of that stuff. Yeah. case just The ultimate excuse. Casey just has a monster energy quota that he has to meet.
Speaker: Yes. Yep. I have been playing. i've I've been on uncle duty the past few days though. Ooh. That's been interesting. Does did it make you realize you're not cut out for children?
Speaker: Well, I don't think I am for sure, but it's been fun. It's it's been a lot of fun. It's just, you know, not being around kids all the time, you know, like. ah the things that you don't know how to handle are what's, you know, what, what causes the stress, you know, like I was with my nephew and he, he, he's six, you know, we're like hiking around and stuff. And he, uh, he dropped a cuss word and I'm just like, Hey, which one don't say that.
Speaker: Oh, he dropped an F bomb.
Speaker: It hey, don't say that. he's like, oh, sorry. He goes, you know, you know sometimes I try not to say naughty words, but you know sometimes when I'm by myself, I i think it's okay to say them, but I'm like, what do I say here?
Speaker: Yeah. I love it. Friends of mine, their kid were like was was talking about swearing. This is when he was younger. he's He might have been like 9, 10 or something like that. But he was just like, I know you're not supposed to say it, but sometimes it just feels so good.
Speaker: And they're like, yeah, you're not wrong, dude. That's why we say it. It's... ah and But... What are you going to say to that?
Speaker: Oh, what's been going on with me? um Well, yeah. i So I recently... finished another decade of my life and turned 40, which is, ah it's, ah it's, it's honestly not a big deal at all.
Speaker: But at the same time, it's, I don't know, it's kind of weird, because it I'm definitely like a middle aged person now. Yeah. And it's like we're the age that like when we were kids, we're the age that our parents were when we thought they were old. And I think, yeah, that's so crazy. Like, I think of like my my daughter is 10 and I remember like being a kid and having my dad's 40th birthday party.
Speaker: And you're like, oh, shit, that's old now. Like that 40, that's old. And now it's like, here we are. We made it. yeah It literally is like the middle of my life. So i I've reached that milestone. Not in Peter Thiel's future. You can live as long as you want.
Speaker: That's right. um So, yeah, i I've learned a lot about myself in the past couple of years. I've had to, I think, just come to terms with some stuff about myself. Yeah.
Speaker: And it's crazy how like you can just function the in a way that you just, you know, we're all brought up in a certain way. And we all have like a family that taught us to what's okay, what's not okay, you know, is certain culture that we grew up in.
Speaker: And I just, I don't know, i recently just like learned like I've been living in just a really chaotic, unhealthy way like my pretty much my entire life. um you know I can't really hold myself accountable, I guess, as like a young person, but um my whole adult life.
Speaker: um how would you explain How would you describe chaotic? Um, so i I've been in and out of a lot of, you know, I've had a lot of failed relationships. Okay.
Speaker: Um, and i mean, I've been like, you know, dating since I was like a teenager, um But just constantly um in just like really toxic relationships.
Speaker: And then as and I know the word toxic, it's so overused now um to the point where it's like, what are we even even talking about? um But with me specifically, i you know, I ended up I've been married twice.
Speaker: Okay. and I got married twice and, you know, divorced twice. um And I think that I just really like was trying to find my identity in other people in other relationships um and also trying to find some sort of sense of like stability um because there is a sense of you know stability that you have when you create a life with another person certainly yeah sort of settle down um so i did i you know i've lived in a bunch of different states i've i've had a really kind of interesting life But um I think I've always just been very unhappy and just not not very accepting of myself or a loving toward myself.
Speaker: Is it um is it a couple of questions? um what How old were you when you when you got married for the first time? So the first time I got married, it was shortly, i would say it was within like two years after leaving Liberty University. So I went to Liberty first year, freshman, second year, sophomore.
Speaker: and then I just, my sophomore year was a shit show. Like I, i i didn't even go to my classes. Like I was failing everything. um i felt like,
Speaker: I always have some sort of like existential dread feeling within me. And of course, at like, odd you know, 20, 21 years old, i felt that very deeply and just didn't know what the fuck I was doing with my life.
Speaker: um So i I just decided to move back home. um which at that time was in vermont um so i lived there for like a year and then i long story but i ended up moving to florida and i married somebody florida is such a great state yeah was it was the last name shuttlesworth not Hell no. ah man hu um The great state of Florida. Yes. I moved there through some crazy weird, you know, circumstances that I somehow in my mind had to like, like map out and say like, Oh my God, like,
Speaker: this is what I'm supposed to do. Like, how could this, how could all of these things happen unless like it's meant to be? Oh yeah. you know I feel like we've all had those like, Oh, the stars align. That must be God. Yeah.
Speaker: And I'm such a sucker for that. Like I was such a sucker for that at 21, just being so emotionally immature and just wanting to feel like some sense of like love and belonging.
Speaker: Yeah. so And I think some of it has to, a lot of it has to do at that age too, with like, given the world we came from, getting it on your own is rough and there's a lot of unknown and to feel like things are lined up in that things are set for you in that it's blessed by God really is a, um, um that's something that like is validating, um, that you're on the right path, which is what anyone at that age wants to know anyway. But like,
Speaker: Or that you, you know, that you can just trust the process, essentially. It's just like the Christian equivalent of trusting the process. Yes. And it, yeah. And it all just seemed to line up like way too perfectly. So I was like, well, I guess I have to like pack up my car and move to Florida. Okay. So I literally did that.
Speaker: Um, and then ended up marrying this person. um it was a really, it was a really bad relationship. Like I mean,
Speaker: Me at 21. Like, no, like I was not a stable person. um And so that, you know, ended.
Speaker: ah we were married for like five, four, four or five years. Um, and then I moved to a different state and basically did the same thing all over again. Okay. um Um, many years go by and here I am, I'm in another state.
Speaker: Um, I'm in Texas now, which is crazy because, um, Texas and I, I just, I never, I never in a million years thought I would, you know, be living in Texas, but here I am. um,
Speaker: Anything closer to Tony Hitchcliffe. Oh, God. He's in Austin, right? Yeah. Oh, God. Austin. Yeah. Yeah. I hope you spend a lot of time at the mothership. I mean, if you're looking for ah men who think that they know what's right for women, you should probably go find somebody there.
Speaker: The Mothership? yeah Is that what it's called? It's Joe Rogan's comedy club. Oh, no, I walked by that. I walked by that stupid place one night and I was just like, I think I probably.
Speaker: Were there dudes with M16s guarding the door? There were dudes. There were dudes. I don't know if they had M16s, but i was definitely like, like fuck this place. Fuck Joe Rogan. God, I can't stand Joe Rogan. oh my god the mothership is kind of like castle castle gray skull but like castle smooth brain yeah yeah ah if you can't hack comedy ah in a like a um a plurality of environments and you just want people to think you're funny for saying the r word then that's the place to go
Speaker: All right. Have you guys, since we're talking about it, have you guys actually watched like Joe Rogan's like stand up? i Yeah. Not had a long time. Oh, it's just, it's incredibly painful. It's it's awful. I'm like, how did...
Speaker: I mean, I know how because, you know, white man, money, blah, blah. Like, I don't know. He has a career prior to that that probably got him into comedy, I'm guessing. But I'm just thinking like, why would people pay to come to this?
Speaker: i I remember liking his comedy like way back in like the early 2000s, like in the 2000s. I remember watching like one of his comedy specials. And that was when I was like just starting to listen to his podcast and thinking it was it was good.
Speaker: But like every time he puts out a new one, it's progressively worse. And then the last one that he put out like. the one that beige frequency and all those guys did videos on where he's in the orange shirt with the pit stains. Yes. is Just unwatchably. Oh, it's, it's, it's abysmal. It's just like him being loud and yelling and making a lot of faces. Like, it's not, it's like what you'd think it's what you'd expect from a 12 year old who got in, like who was like, I'm going to put out a standup special.
Speaker: um Those guys fall into a trap. I think where like, they build a fan. Once you've built a fan base, that's big enough and dedicated enough that you are no longer capable of getting honest feedback from the audience. Yeah. You may not be capable of being funny anymore.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. And we've seen that with a lot of comedians in the past couple of years, for sure. The bigger they get, the less funny they get, like almost as a rule. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker: And, uh, yeah, awful. horrible, horrible. Which divorce was your favorite?
Speaker: yeah um He just looked over both shoulders. Probably the second one because I didn't have to chase him down to sign the papers with me. It was just like a mutual like agreement like, hey, like we know this isn't like going to work out.
Speaker: So we're both just going to like be responsible adults and sign the papers and get it done. And that's what we did.
Speaker: Do you feel sportsmanlike? yeah and And you guys, I can say more about it. It's not just like getting married, but I mean, I think because of just the way that the way that my brain is wired and just for whatever reason, because God made me this way, I can say that. Um,
Speaker: You were born this way. i was born this way. like ah If you don't want to go with God, go with um Lady Gaga. Lady Gaga. Thank you. um just because of my brain chemistry and the way i was raised and you know all those factors that go into making you who you are um i'm just somebody who really loves to feel good i just really love to feel good and i've done that with substances i've done that with sex i've done that with relationships
Speaker: um to where it's just sort of like i can't get enough of it which i guess you know would be like addiction because um i i would use those things to make myself feel good like to the point where like it was really just fucking up my life and like hurting hurting the people that I love and um really hurting myself. um And what's crazy about it is like I i couldn't i couldn't even see it and i hadn't I had no idea. And like I love to think that I'm such a like, oh I'm so self-aware and like
Speaker: i i am somebody who is really interested in just like growing personally. And i mean, especially after coming out of like evangelical Christianity, um it just literally like broke my brain. um One of the big traps of coming out of evangelical Christianity, too, is thinking that you're like part of this like higher order now, um like the self-actualized group of people.
Speaker: And I feel like that's, you know, people leave it and they make these arguments about their growth and why they don't believe in fantasy anymore. But it's like, but you don't see a real, there's no real change. You know, it's the same like dogmas just placed in different areas. um But with like the,
Speaker: which ah it can almost end up, it can almost be worse for you. Like, co like in like emotionally or cognitively because you're, ah or relationally because you're like, I'm not like those people anymore. So you get this arrogance about it that you've made it so much farther, but you don't realize all the shit you haven't dealt with or unpacked. And if you believe that you've made it, you're, you might be less likely to like deal with it. So just be like, yeah, this shit fucked me up.
Speaker: I'll get through it when I get through it. But I don't think I'm better than, like, I don't think I'm better than anybody else. I'm just trying to fucking figure my shit out now on the other side of this thing that wasn't helpful for me.
Speaker: Right. Right. So I think I've, I've really just been, ah it was really like two years ago where I had kind of wake up call where I was like, I need to stop like doing what I'm doing or else like, I'm literally just going to I'm just going to end up alone and like miserable.
Speaker: And um so I had to, and I have to every day, like ah just it's, it's hard.
Speaker: It's, it's very hard for me to um I guess, try to regulate my emotions in a healthy way. Especially if I'm not like, um in a good place. So I have to work really hard every day and check in with myself.
Speaker: um And just me, I like, I just want to be okay. So I feel like I literally like that's all I want. I just want to be okay.
Speaker: Um, And I just, I guess, want to say, like, if there's anybody out there, because I know there's tons of people out there who deal with stuff with, um like, obsessive thoughts and feeling very dysregulated in their bodies. And, um i mean, it makes life it makes life incredibly hard. Like, it's very hard to... maintain healthy relationships, it's hard to, you know, like get up and go to work sometimes. um
Speaker: So I guess I'm just trying to say, you know, i know there's other people out there who are struggling with similar issues. And um it's it's possible to it's possible to be okay.
Speaker: It's possible to be okay and to love yourself and to get to a place where you can accept who you are and kind of accept like, hey, I am kind of I'm kind of crazy.
Speaker: Like, I'm kind of a crazy person. It's okay. Like, it's okay for me to admit that. But I need to hold myself accountable um for the decisions that I make.
Speaker: And, you know, like, um just decide, like, you know, how I want to live my life. Yeah, I think one of the things that sticks out to me about what you're saying, so like, you know, how we feel versus like a recognition of like what our reality is are can obviously be different things. um Like, you know, ah for example, like an example from my life would be like, you know, there's a as a parent, it's like and in a relationship where it's like,
Speaker: I can get frustrated that I don't have more time to just like sit by myself and do whatever I want. Right. And when you, when you lean into feeling like that's where you want to be, you can, I can, uh, be short or frustrated or lack engagement, um, where it's critical, right. Especially with the age that my children are. Um, and I need to be like, all right,
Speaker: Get out of your own fucking way, put on your game face, show up. And I get life out of it. Like, that's beneficial. i um But it's still a challenge, right? You have to push against, like, where, like, what you feel like you want versus, like, what actually...
Speaker: actually brings you life, brings you peace, brings you happiness because the other things don't getting drunk on my couch and playing video games doesn't actually make me happier. um So, but it's like ah the impulse is to give into those base desires often. um And so like, so for you, like I'm curious as to like what some of your, like if, if you're comfortable answering this, if not, we can edit out the entire question, but like, sorry, Casey, I didn't give you a little work to do. um But like,
Speaker: what what What are some of like the disruptive thought patterns like that are salient-wise? What you would think of when you talk about getting better and working towards like finding finding peace in... in like What are some of those like disruptive thought patterns that you might have that you felt like specifically that you really... like you know, you did work on over the past couple years where you're able to like recognize it like and push past like the base feeling that you have of, um, uh, to like, in yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess I'll just stop there and let you, let you answer. Yeah. Um, I think kind of recognizing like my, ah relationship to like alcohol and just how that,
Speaker: is has been like there's been a pattern in my life of like alcohol is like not good for me like i've um Yeah, I've I've been a pretty read.
Speaker: I'm a very passionate like I'm an Aries. I'm a very passionate like person. I feel very strongly about anything that I feel, um especially when I really like it, love it.
Speaker: um And so um I think i I, mean, now I'm much more careful with my alcohol consumption. consumption consumption um You know, i can't just like drink around anybody.
Speaker: it's mostly about social situations, which I'm not in these days, like, Hey, another one. Yeah. Hell yeah. Like I'm not too like I'm not going out or any if I'm going out, I'm going to like a show with my partner.
Speaker: So, yeah, that's I'm trying to expand my friends group past the same couple i' been hanging out with since I was in high school. um So, I mean, I i get it It's it's tough. Yeah.
Speaker: But at the same time, it's like don't have it in me to try to build new relationships. It's like it's so much work. It is. It's so much work. is. It's like oh my god. It's so hard, especially when it – it's like – that's why imagine having to like –
Speaker: as someone who hasn't dated since they were 17 to have to like tap back into that and get to know somebody just to cut your losses when you realize it's not going to work out. I'm like, Oh my God, I can't even make new. I haven't made new friends in two decades. What am I going to do? But I do want, like we, it's funny. Cause like my, my kids are friends with kids from school and their parents are great. Like my kids go to a school with a lot of like,
Speaker: uh redneck chic type parents you know where it's like you're not really redneck but you do like the timberland boots and like the way that your your bat your jeans like fit into the tongue of them and shit like that like i don't know it's fine like i'm not trying to dunk on anyone's style i just there's a vibe that can come with it around where i live in massachusetts of like You're not like, I don't, what are we doing? Like, it feels a little confusing at times. um It's maybe it's like the, it's the, like the tradesman chic is what we're going to be going for a little of that. And it's fine. I'm not judging, but,
Speaker: I am. Obviously, I'm judging. I'm doing it right now. ah But I there's like a vibe of person where I just i you see it go, I don't i I can just I can tell that we're not really going to get along. like I already know you vote Republican. I already like our values aren't aligned. And i But yeah my my kids, friends, parents are like really great people and our values are aligned and we're going to do we're going out with them like on the ah Saturday this weekend. And I'm like, so nervous about it.
Speaker: We're going to go hang out and do I'm like, oh, my God, this is terrifying for me. I can't believe I'm doing this. It's crazy, right? Like me and my partner, we recently, um recently, like, oh my gosh, because I don't know time anymore.
Speaker: Maybe it's been a year now. But um we've been, we started going to like a trivia night. with some people who they're they're older than us, ah maybe like a good decade or decade and a half, whatever.
Speaker: But um we've been able to make some friendships there, which is like, it's really awesome. We met um a couple that we we hang out with frequently. And that's, that's like our people. And I'm like, and I'm good. Like, I don't need any other friends. Like, think You maxed out. i can't do any other work. Like, it was hard enough for me to, like, get comfortable enough to, like, sing karaoke in front of these people. So...
Speaker: That's scary. Dude, it's terrifying. i did it last week. I can barely do it. It was crazy. That's one of the ever we had. Like so we moved to Kansas in at the end of 2014.
Speaker: And, you know, you cross the country, you start over again like.
Speaker: It's always weird because people want you to like, like, you you know, my parents are like, you should hang out with this couple. They're your age. And then you meet them and you're like, absolutely.
Speaker: No. we kind of met some people and it was all through like, you know, stuff that my wife did. You know, she was into like Comic-Con stuff and cosplay and all this. So we met people through that And one of the most emotionally unstable groups of people in the country. ah There was a lot of cool people, but yeah.
Speaker: We had for a lot of different reasons that I won't I won't talk about on here, but we had a complete falling out with the you know people who are at the center of the friends group like three years ago and Because of how that group, because of the dynamic there, it basically was like our choice was just, I mean, we basically had to just cut ties with all of them, which sucks. And I still like message one of the guys back and forth here and there, you know, they like a lot of them were cool, but like there was just no way to maintain our relationship with the other people in the group when we were on the outs with, you know, these other people. And um it was,
Speaker: ho it It was one of the most awful things I think that we've experienced like as ah as a couple. And, it's a dude, it's hard to find new people and new friends. And like we're we're lucky now we've found like some – there's another couple that we hang out with now that's really cool. And we're doing much more stuff with them. And um another couple that I know through work that you know we really like.
Speaker: I get, you know, and and to me, like, i think I've, I kind of, uh, scratch that itch a little bit with the guys at work, you know, because, you know, we're all friends and,
Speaker: You know, and that's dangerous, right? Because I'm technically, I'm their boss. So like people would be like, oh, don't do that. And i don't I just don't know if I subscribe to that idea.
Speaker: It's like there's the potential there for for serious pain if things go wrong. But I don't know. it's It's just difficult, man. It's a tough thing to navigate as an adult.
Speaker: Whoa! They're 22.
Speaker: pause for just a second here yeah so technical difficulties continue but bottom line uh making friends is hard it's hard when you're young it's hard when you're old you know it's just it's difficult and it's hard to be vulnerable and open yourself up to new people and you know don't know it's uh it it It makes you understand why ah our parents gave up on it. That's so true. That is true.
Speaker: Why they're so obsessed with it. So ah Casey did bring ah bring us a fun story, and I do want to leave us some time to get into it. But if you I want to give you the opportunity to close out any last-minute thoughts you had, Jillian. If you don't, that's okay.
Speaker: Yeah, I mean, I guess I just... wanted to shout out to all, you know, personality people, if it people struggling out there with personality disorders. And really just like what I mean by that is just like people who crazy people,
Speaker: Yeah, crazy people like me. Seriously, though. Crazy people like me who um feel things very, very deeply, feel like their emotions are reality every day um People who feel really bad every day and have to do a lot of do a lot of mental work um for that. I mean...
Speaker: it's it's okay and you're okay and there's nothing wrong with you you're crazy and that's okay and I I feel like I've come to a healthy place where I can i am not all the time but um most of the time I feel like I can accept like hey this is just how you are and you just have to do some extra work to deal with how you are Yeah, um I feel like one of the hardest things to do is like, I'm not going to go along on this and then I'm going pass it to Casey. But um my wife and I took ah one of her students in at one point. She ended up being she was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder. Very one of the hardest years of my life. Casey was. It seemed hard. A lot of that information. I did share some of it on the podcast during the time, but was pretty cryptic about it.
Speaker: But um it was just one of those things where like I i'd learned ah about that a lot more over time. But regardless of if like if if that's your diagnosis or if you're just a regular person, like the hardest thing for anyone to do is to just recognize that how they feel about a thing might be wrong.
Speaker: And how you like your emotions can be helpful and they can also completely fuck up your entire life. So, yeah, it's ah it's rough to sit in any environment and be like how I feel about this is wrong. I'm going to resign to the fact that that's wrong and I'm going to trust like I'm going to be around people I trust enough to like actually tell me that how I'm feeling is wrong without getting like.
Speaker: blow up defensive about it the hardest fucking thing ever so i'd say like the more like you struggle with ah certain types of mental health issues that you that's more on your plate to to make those recognitions and that's super fucking hard so my hat goes out to anyone who's able to do that work and and manage to navigate life because i have a hard enough time doing it as just a regular guy that hasn't cracked open his antidepressants and since they were given to me yeah and just quick um just you know since this is like growing up christian like you know we all grew up christian here on this podcast um currently so i mean yeah also growing up in like a evangelical household you know being taught that like
Speaker: what what you think and what you feel is not valid and is not reality. um I think that has played a lot into it as well.
Speaker: um Made it more complex. yeah um Maybe we could save that for another another time, but um yeah, everything is okay and you're okay, is the message I wanna spread.
Speaker: Well, know, it's funny how God works. um You know, I picked this topic because i thought I thought it was fun, but, you know, the more I think about it the more I think this might be just what you guys need.
Speaker: The Lord does work in mysterious ways, and I am open to his message. What you guys really need, guy, is a Messiah figure. Yeah. i've I've been looking for one after Jesus stopped doing it for me, so...
Speaker: There are a few out there. you know You've got no shortage of choices, but today we're the one that we're going to look at, the one that think I've already determined is right for you two, is a guy named Andy Elliott.
Speaker: Does that ring any bells? No. So Andy Elliott is a guy who I guess you could call him like manosphere adjacent or kind of like a manosphere outlier.
Speaker: um he's a he's a giant roided out hairless testicle of a man nice and he uh his whole thing is um know he started out as a sales trainer he has like a consulting group and does that make so much sense i'm telling you have to be careful casey eventually you have to be careful because you I trust you, but kickings but i am
Speaker: I am scared of what you could become. Yeah, i could I could dive in, you know? i think I think Andy Elliott, that's a path I could take eventually. We'll see what happens. but um So he's a a sales guru and a social media figure and kind of a tough love character. you know He doesn't sugarcoat it.
Speaker: He tells it like it is. okay He's going to tell you you're fat. And that's the first step to being good at sales is don't be fat like you are. Okay.
Speaker: So mia me just we'll just start with an intro clip here. Right now, everything that you do in your personal life is the person that's showing up on that call that that person believes or that they can trust or not.
Speaker: Dude, everybody freaking misses this. I look over, I see these fat people, these lazy people, these people treat their families like crap at home. These people that literally stand for nothing. They're losers, they're whiners, they're complainers.
Speaker: Yeah, you're getting on the phone or in person, face to face in sales, and you're going to take care of someone else. Not a chance. Here's the way it works. There's a thousand people getting their teeth kicked in over here and there's one making it.
Speaker: These 999 people over here are all doing the same. This is going be the time you're to to have more confidence, more self-esteem, more belief than you've ever had in your life. There's only one way to do it.
Speaker: That's take care of yourself. And so listen to me, who you become will determine how much you sell and how much money you make. I don't know everything. What is, uh, what's the deal with the piano music? Yeah. What's the, what's that?
Speaker: Well, the, uh, dramatic music really increases the effect of his sermons. Yeah, it sure does. That's dressed to me. There's a lot of that. Yeah. He does like to use that, uh, the Christian conspiracy theorist music, you know,
Speaker: it sounds like ah It sounds like the Tron soundtrack. Until the tone changed, it sounded like it's like a weird, like, consistent, i forgot to change the batteries in my smoke detector vibe going on in the background.
Speaker: Yeah, it's a little like brain larvae that's just trying to burrow its way into your ear canal. So I don't understand his message. It felt a little erratic, but I admired his passion. So I do want to follow him.
Speaker: And I well think that's that that's what's important. If you're going to be a leader, you have to be charismatic. well You can follow him on Instagram right now. let see I just didn't enjoy that. he what What was he saying about 100 people getting their teeth smashed in?
Speaker: What was that? Basically, like we're all crabs in a bucket, and whether or not you climb your way out of the bucket to be a millionaire crab has to do with taking care of yourself.
Speaker: Okay. so Andy's been on my radar for a little while, but um he's back on my radar again. He he kind of like reached a peak and then went through a bit of a scandal when people started digging into his history, which we'll get to in a second. How many women did he hit?
Speaker: so He diminished in popularity to some extent, but he's been, uh, he's been kind of, uh, he's, he's been in the cultural zeitgeist for a little bit. Shane Gillis has made fun of this guy a lot. And actually there's a character on tire season two. That's based on Andy Elliott.
Speaker: Okay. You know, when they go to the sales conference at the end of the season and the guys makes, uh, makes Kirby's take his shirt off. Yeah. ah that's That's based on Andy Elliott. So like his favorite thing to do is to call someone up on stage and be like, be like take your shirt off.
Speaker: And in a room full of like a bunch, like 800 sales guys, he makes them like take their shirt off and show everybody their man boobs and be like, do you like the way you look? No, I wouldn't either.
Speaker: I wouldn't buy from you. You're disgusting. But that can all start, that can all end today if you sign up for my course. I love it. So it's like a method where he like breaks them down and he's sort of like, like this dominant, like you're a piece of shit.
Speaker: Yeah. He gets to rebuild from the ground up. And then they start crying and they're like on their knees and they're like, okay. Gets to create them in his own image afterwards.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. Now, part of where Andy has built his brand, which he has a lot of social media clout and stuff like that. he has a lot of followers, but it's not all positive attention these days.
Speaker: And after his big scandal, I guess you could call it, He went away for a bit, or at least he wasn't showing up in feeds and whatnot. And then one of my one of my buddies at work sent me a video a couple days ago. And I realized that his new thing is he's doing the Christian grift along with his sales training deal.
Speaker: what And it is so funny. that is That's how you know, like, because that we see it all the time. Like, I mean, it's the Russell Brand strategy. It's just like, we know that you're trying to crawl your way up back from the bottom when you go for the Christian grift.
Speaker: But did somebody like out him for being like like an abuser or something like that first? So, yes. Okay, so let's talk about that. So where did he come from? Why does he have anything to say about any of this stuff at all?
Speaker: So Andy started out as a young man in the car business, which is where it's the lane that I'm in in my non-podcast career. And he was a car salesman.
Speaker: And i guess I guess he did fairly well at it. And I'm on the service side. And the new car and used car sales side gets, like it's not weird at every place, but it gets weird very quickly in some of these like big environments, you know. There's a lot of like rah-rah pressure and stuff. And it's a place where like depending on how the dealer is set up, You can either come in and make a really good career out of it, or you can be completely taken advantage of and then puked out the other side or anywhere in between. um They're all different in how they're set up. And some of them are very you know respectful of their sales guys and they kind of develop them and make them into a you know a career car salesman. Other places are basically just there to like ah beat you down. and And if you're not going to perform under the utmost pressure, like they're just going to can you.
Speaker: So where where Andy's story gets interesting... is somewhere around like 2011, 2012, he took a job as ah as a general manager at a dealer group called Big Red Auto Group in Norman, Oklahoma, which think I think is like i right outside of Oklahoma City.
Speaker: And ah he was there for four to five years. But what's interesting about it is that all of the owners of Big Red Auto Group are now in jail.
Speaker: They got in major federal trouble for um wire fraud, conspiracy, um identity theft, you name it.
Speaker: and incredible So what, people, they would run credit checks and then sell that information off to the highest bidder? Oh, it's so cartoonish, dude. And this is something that I've seen. I've seen this kind of thing happen several times in my career in proximity to car dealerships. okay It actually happened to a dealer group like last year in my area.
Speaker: And they I think they had to sell their their point. But basically what they were doing is... He goes into this car dealership and realizes that like basically most of their advertising and marketing is going towards low income, bad credit, no credit individuals, right? That's who they're targeting. That's who they're trying to bring in through the door.
Speaker: um The repo. it Well, so where it gets interesting is in how they were selling cars to these people. So basically they would advertise, Hey, you got bad credit. You got no credit. Come on in. We'll get you financed.
Speaker: the the whole deal revolves around them basically defrauding banks into giving loans to people that didn't qualify for them. yeah And they did it in a funny way by falsifying down payment and trade-in information to make it look like people were putting down a lot more on vehicles than they actually were.
Speaker: Okay. Okay. So at it during Andy's tenure there, They would take in cars on trade, motorcycles, farm equipment, jewelry, guns, doesn't matter, anything of value basically, right?
Speaker: It's like a pawn shop. Well, so the way that they did this was the dealers, there's three owners, right, of the dealer group. One of the dealers owns a pawn shop.
Speaker: Every car comes with a gun in the glove box. That's so... He owns a pawn shop on paper. This pawn shop was never open to the public for business, right? It's just a, it's a non-entity.
Speaker: ah The other owner owns the building which this pawn shop operates out of So let's say you got no credit, right? And you really wanted brand new Kia. And they're like, okay, we're going to find it. What do you got to trade in?
Speaker: So you would bring in basically whatever you had or whatever you could muster. you know Children? Your weed whacker. Maybe your children. Maybe a big bag of loose plasma loose leaf plasma.
Speaker: You harvest it yourself. And what they would do is they would... On paper, they would sell those items to the pawn shop business.
Speaker: okay The pawn shop would then technically cut the customer a check for the value of those items, which I'm sure was very inflated. right and Then the dealer group would forge the customer's signature and sign that check over to the dealer to be used as the down payment for the car that they were trying to buy.
Speaker: And if you're thinking, well, who cares if banks got defrauded, like big deal, who cares, whatever, it's a bank. I feel you, right? I was thinking, how could this go wrong? The cost of this to the consumer was that they were paying astronomically more for these cars than they were actually worth. That was the that was the the bargain, right? It's like, hey, man, I know this is a $5,000 car, but you're going to pay $11,000.
Speaker: okay But I'm going to get you financed in a pay into a payment that you definitely can't afford and have very little hope of paying back. I can't even imagine being this soulless. This is a thing that's happened. i Like I said, I've seen it happen to a bunch of different dealers over the years. And it's it's amazing that they got away with it for this long because anything involving like the finances, is these institutions keep a pretty short leash on things.
Speaker: Like if they come in and audit your lot and there are cars missing that are supposed to be there and you don't have paperwork for them. like dude they There was a dealer group that I had in Michigan that had like one main dealership and then they had five satellite used car lots.
Speaker: They got in trouble for like falsifying loan documents and stuff. Ally Financial, which was the lending in the lender that a lot of car dealerships used, overnight, closed the doors to the dealers lots and trucked out every single car on all of six of those lots in in like one night.
Speaker: Wow. It was crazy. So where does Andy fit into this? So when he works there, right, he's the general manager at a store that's doing this. So he participated in it. But not only that, he trained his employees on how to falsify these documents and things like that. He met a woman at church.
Speaker: who was a lender at one of the banks that they used, and he bribed her to sign off on these exorbitant loans that were over the value of the car and didn't have the necessary documentation and stuff like that.
Speaker: And on top of that, threatened and got rid of employees who raised red flags or concerns about it. How did he not go to jail? Well, he did the he did the age-old scumbag trick of turning state's witness.
Speaker: Yeah, snitch. So it from the timeline, it looks like basically around 2015 is when the feds start sniffing around the dealer group. All this stuff takes time, right? But that's about when he jumps ship and just throws all of his weight into building this like training empire that he owns. Yeah.
Speaker: um somewhere around like 2020 or so, he turned state witness and for a non-prosecution agreement agrees to testify against the three owners. One of which, husband tried to flee and run to Mexico and were caught in an international manhunt in Mexico and extradited back to the U.S.
Speaker: What is this guy doing trying to get back on the radar? He's trying to get back on the radar. This guy's going to end up in a ditch off the side of a like a highway somewhere. if you If you hear him tell it, he was he claims that he was threatened, like his life was threatened in regards to this thing. Yeah, everything about his personality makes me believe that.
Speaker: yeah So he testified to all of it. Like, I mean, he spilled the beans on everything. And and what you like, dude, one of the dealer owners got 130 months sentence. So, I mean, these were like pretty major crimes. Yeah.
Speaker: So Andy, ah he's not, which I would say he's not particularly forthright about his past and his sales success because that's, of course, that's a big part of what he talks about is like his big numbers and he did this and he did that, right?
Speaker: But, you know. Yeah, I mean, if you're lying, cheating, and stealing, I guess you can sell a lot of cars. Good for you. Yeah, makes you a great salesman.
Speaker: When he testified, was he like just testifying about other people, or did he come clean on like his part? he claim He came clean on his part after he had the non-prosecution agreement in place. Oh, okay, yeah.
Speaker: So, i mean It's the same thing. There's actually a similar story, a much more serious story happened with ah a guy that's in one of, he's around this area, and works in some of the dealers over the years. But I've actually done training with him, but he was in a cult group in Ohio and participated in the murder of an entire family within the group.
Speaker: What the hell? and Same thing. He turned state's witness and testified against the cult leader. And i don't know if he did no prison time, but he definitely did like a light sentence. And then he changed his name and moved.
Speaker: Oh, like a so basically like a plea deal. Exactly. Yeah. so we we do really have the greatest justice system in the world, don't we?
Speaker: It's real tip for tat, you know? Quid pro quo. I love it. I feel safer just knowing how well it's working. o Yeah, it is cool.
Speaker: It is cool how it works. So, yeah, that's who these people are buying courses from. So we took a brief hiatus, chilled out for a little bit, waited for the dust to settle, and then rose from the ashes.
Speaker: Yep. And his training stuff, like his his social media presence and stuff, is it's so abrasive, dude. I mean, like here's like ah another video here.
Speaker: you lose your house, you lose your car, you lose whatever, your life is being rented and borrowed. I want you guys understand the information I'm to give you today will allow you, listen, it will allow you, and it's all up to you, to literally never have to balance checkbook again. i want explain what a lot to me means is that I'll be happy if I don't have to balance money, don't think about money if don't to be in bondage. The devil wants to debt you out. He likes bondage. That's why you got make a lot of money. you can buy your nice life, you can have a good life, you can live heaven on earth,
Speaker: and then guess what? you have to worry about money no more. Every now. Bro, he what? That's heaven on earth. He, this guy, he truly, this, he's a bondage freak. He's a, you man he's a put on big red high heels and stomp on my dick kind of freak.
Speaker: And his wife is like fully in on all this too. Like she's full on partner in crime with this training thing. Now, how much of her body parts has he paid for?
Speaker: I mean, they both look like a, they, they, you could put them together and they could each be one of Tim Lambies's thighs. I was just going to say, does he look like Tim Lambies's ex-wife? Oh my God, dude. She looks a lot like Tim Lambies's ex-wife. Oh the my God.
Speaker: he's like a He's like a hairless Lambo, you know? What's his name again? Andy Elliott. Andy Elliott. I love this guy. is ah His spiritual messaging is very funny.
Speaker: he's ah He's got some interesting like viewpoints on ah what yeah how how the Bible is useful to you and stuff. i have about the bible I don't know a lot about it sorry
Speaker: it. I love everything about the Bible. I don't know a lot about it. ah That's amazing. It's like the biggest con artist line. This one's funny because he em admits it though.
Speaker: it's It's a funny balance that he has to strike because what he can't do is really admit that anything was wrong with him beforehand, before he like got religious. Yeah, that's always. Yeah.
Speaker: But that can help testimony. Like if you really want to sell it to evangelicals, you're like, look, I was living in sin. God saved me and gave me this message. Boom. I mean, you can roll with it. You can you can roll with your past failures.
Speaker: yeah i love I love how his message is like, you're in bondage if you have to like look at... I mean, the way I'm reading this is like, if you have to look at your bank account and like budget in any sort of way, you're in bondage. Yeah.
Speaker: It's like, what are you talking about? like if you If you're living in 2026 United States where 80% of your taxes goes to bomb children in Iran. like God forbid I like look at my finances and make sure I have like enough money for rent.
Speaker: I'm in bondage. You are. to the devil. Meanwhile, this guy definitely lives in like some form of... like ah um Oppressive debt slavery just for the optics. yeah just for them Just to show off the trappings of wealth. This actually, this is it's funny because this actually happened to another one of these like alpha male douchebag influencers, a guy named Wes Watson.
Speaker: And he... more or less he so He was just doing the same thing. He was trying to sell these like mentorship classes. And ah he basically just berate people. like he would you'd charge You'd pay him like $2,500 a week to berate you on Zoom for like three hours or whatever.
Speaker: It's like this weird like ah alpha male fin dom thing. Yeah, you have like a shame kink. Yes, yes. That's what it is. I'm not good enough, daddy. Christian shame kinks?
Speaker: Yes. That's an evangelical church on a Sunday. Tell me I'm worse, Daddy. Oh my God, yes. Moral sin and moral failure. He's like the most cartoonish of all of these guys. He's actually in jail now because he beat the crap out of his fiancée.
Speaker: I mean, he's a total scumbag. He was in jail before. He's back in jail now, but... you know like Everything in his life was just a rented thing. He lived in this like big Miami mansion and had all these crazy cars. It's all rented.
Speaker: you know and like He doesn't own any of it, but you have to like portray yourself as this like wealthy, successful guy. so like He's doing... this um They have like rent-a-center in like in like poor neighborhoods, and then they have like the rent-a-center for like rich, white assholes that are trying to sell people shit. It's like...
Speaker: It's the same scheme, just preying on people without money and then just figuring out like which is the right way to do it for the message and lifestyle that people are trying to portray.
Speaker: Speaking of which, I've met the founder of Rent-A-Center. He lives in Wichita part-time. Really? He has country club here. What a terrible person. what I think he's the only billionaire I've ever met.
Speaker: That's nuts. Wow. Rent-a-center is like the most predatory. Dude, when you're like driving by and you see like in their windows, like it's like yeah just rent it. Just rent an 80-inch TV for the game. Rent like this couch. Like rent like who what do we what is happening? like where youre Like people can't afford to buy furniture, so they're like renting it for $30 month.
Speaker: here's where Here's where it's like a line for me. Like I feel bad for people who get into these like messy situations with a car because you have to have a car in most places in the US, you know? You have to have right?
Speaker: You don't have to have a couch. If you're paying $400 a month to to rent a couch, like, nah, that's kind of your your business. you Do what you want, but like, I'm not going to be like, oh, did you miss your couch payment? all Your plasma TV. They'll give you a plasma TV at Walmart, basically. i will that one Were you guys ever in a situation where like you were borrowing money from one of those like cash loan places?
Speaker: Thankfully, no. No, I've never had to do that. i Dude, I did that. I did that so hard when I lived in Florida. Yeah? It was bad. And of course, like, full I mean, that's just like Florida style, right? Yeah, there's one in every corner. but Yes. It's like Dunkin' Donuts in New England.
Speaker: Those are like, oh my God. Yeah, we'll cash your check early with 40% interest. Oh, like, I'm glad that didn't like ruin my life. Cause shit, that could have got really bad.
Speaker: Yeah. yeah in lu Places in art of Florida. What like Tim Hortons is to Canada. yeah ah yes hi hi ah So, ah all right. So here's some spiritual advice from, ah from Andy.
Speaker: I don't know everything about the Bible. I don't know a lot about it, but I can tell you the Holy spirit is real. i asked the Holy spirit to come into my life at a time that I was struggling about six months ago. Life was good. I had everything I wanted, but I was going through some struggles with my children. I couldn't figure it out.
Speaker: Oh, his children hate him. Life was good and everything was perfect. And I, I didn't have any problems, but I do have kids and they can be a problem on their own. Kids are pain the ass. yeah it's My kids didn't respect me the way that I know I'm, I should be respected. My kids needed ass whooping and I needed some sort of like permission to do it. So he's living, what state's he living in? Cause, uh, depends, how you know, you might be in the clear.
Speaker: I think he's in Scottsdale, Arizona now. Oh, you can beat the shit out of your kids in Scottsdale. You can defeat the Scottsdale from Normand, Oklahoma. Your child's teacher can beat the shit out of your kid in Scottsdale.
Speaker: oh like when kids get older they become teenagers and i just submitted totally i surrendered i said right god god i'm giving it all to you and i don't know why but i started to look into the bible and start talking about the holy spirit i never really understood it you know i'd hear if a father the holy spirit i was like i don't understand that and it said the holy spirit is the helper who is here with you and once i asked the holy spirit to come into my heart and be with me immediately my life changed
Speaker: exist how it literally does it happen He says nothing about his kids after that. Immediately, his life changed. What about his kids though?
Speaker: He stopped talking about his kids. He's like, my life changed. Wow. That was like that must have been really cool, man. He's like, I emancipated him and kicked him out. Yes, was going to my life immediately changed. I came into large sums of money and I refused to give any to my children and I put them out on their own.
Speaker: Suck to suck, bitch. ah did ah his His income is, there's a there's a lot of big question marks around his income because fact the numbers that he quotes for his sales organization are not real.
Speaker: They are definitely not true. He's claimed like $100 million dollars in revenue, $160 million dollars in revenue per year. And like, there is no way.
Speaker: There's absolutely no way that that's happening. We should make tax returns public. We really should. But I do have some information about his courses.
Speaker: And, you know, there's a lot of really cool things that you can do, you know, training wise with Andy. So if you go to Elliot 24 7 dot com because he's always going.
Speaker: That's right. Yeah, now that his life got changed immediately. doesn't have to worry about children. what In what way? I don't know. Because does he say? That's a great question.
Speaker: Money. I don't know if God works in the serious ways. Money. More coins. I love that. It's true. My life changed overnight. And then that's the end of the video. It's like, all right, I guess we'll never know all right what God can do for us.
Speaker: He talks about money in the same way as like, ah have you guys seen that that Russian lady that is like a ah singer? i think Catatonic Youth posted her the other day, but she's like, I am going to all the greatest parties, fancy cars, money, wealth, bitcoins.
Speaker: like No, it's been a minute since I've watched Catatonic Youth. ah I need to catch up. like a yeah She's like a ah a blonde lady and it's like broken, very Russian accented English and she's like,
Speaker: bitcoins and lots of dollars. Okay, so, okay, here's some examples of training that you can sign up for.
Speaker: This one is master phone training. In today's highly competitive business landscape, mastering the art of phone sales is more critical than ever. Whether you're a seasoned salesperson or just starting your career, this course will equip you with the essential skills and techniques to close deals with confidence and consistency.
Speaker: Let's learn more. I hate it. i What? Phone sales. like what this guy Does he have a call center? like What is he doing this for? think it's like cold calling people who might buy a car or something.
Speaker: How old is this guy? I'm going to look it up. He is maybe mid-40s. Oh, okay. He got the vibe of a 46-year-old man who's done a lot of steroids. ah Yeah, he sure has.
Speaker: Oh man, it doesn't list the the cost of that one. There is some here at the bottom that were very funny. So this one at the bottom is Andy's Andy Elliott's inner circle says, if you're wanting to earn seven, eight, nine plus figures a year, this is the right mastermind for you.
Speaker: If you're ready to totally recreate your life, you have found the right mentorship platform. This isn't for everyone. This is for those ready to get dark. who are not afraid of what other people think and are serious about leveling up in all areas of your life.
Speaker: If you're tired of being civilized and sick of confronting the conforming to average, get ready. If you're at the top of your game and the greatest in your circle, get ready to go to a whole nother level that you didn't even know was possible. Andy Elliott will push you harder than anyone else in your life and only coaches for huge results.
Speaker: ah There's a whole nother level. This dude's bringing you the eighth circle of hell.
Speaker: I thought there was only seven. Satan's not even buying your soul from you. He's he's renting it. Dude, are you ready to make six, seven, eight, nine feet like nine figures?
Speaker: so Your course isn't getting anyone to nine what nine figures. There's like 12 people who make nine figures in this country. Dude, bad attitude right there. That's exactly why you're never going to make nine figures. You have a nine-figure mentality, dude. you I guess not.
Speaker: Take your shirt off. Take your shirt off. Let's see. ah Oh, you won't because you're ashamed. i will if you will. Is that the kind of body you want your kids to see you with at the beach?
Speaker: Like your kids are not going to get horny for that body. I'm just ashamed of the nipple rings I've been hiding from my wife.
Speaker: thought it would make me look younger. thought it was anti-aging. They told me it was anti-aging nipple rings. I don't know. You got to do like a like girls do with their ears where they get like six of them up the back. You need like you need like a pentagon of nipple piercings all intercrossed.
Speaker: What does that mean by get ready to get dark? That's how a strange choice of words. Yeah, uh...
Speaker: It's definitely not legal and it might involve a little bit of human trafficking. I'm not just a little bit. You might have to dabble. du there's know Look, you don't have to oversell it, like but like at the very at the very most, you'll just have to sell almost 18. I mean, it's not a big deal because it's almost 18, so like you'll be you might get out of It might not even be a problem in six months, depending on how almost 18. Yeah.
Speaker: You're putting up freshman senator numbers. Yeah.
Speaker: So if you want to get into the inner circle, okay, there's two options. Option A, inner circle mentorship. Unlock exclusive benefits with a one-time membership fee of $1,500, then just four ninety nine per month
Speaker: So it's a one-time fee of $1,500, but then it's $500 a month after that. $500 a month? Just making sure it wasn't $4.99. But you know, you guys are scoffing at it. You don't know what's included yet. So hold your horses, all right?
Speaker: Okay. Okay. Monthly power call to our private group mentorship call once a month to teach you how to explode in business and change your life immediately.
Speaker: Andy will also answer any questions and troubleshoot any problems in your business or life. You can ask him about problems in your life. I mean, any problems?
Speaker: Yeah, you can be like, I've been i've been texting my my dong to my congregants and I think my wife found out. What do I do, Indy Elliott? Please help I want explode. You guys, we can pool together enough to like, we can do this, right?
Speaker: Yeah, we just need to go to like a cash advance and it'll be fine.
Speaker: Maybe if we forge our income documents, we can finance it for us. you think ah You think Brian Noem hits him up? He's just like, I can't stop putting on big, giant titties.
Speaker: What do I do? That would be awesome. Dude, we need like a a mastermind class with Andy Elliott and like Hunter Biden. and What is is whatever gnome? That would be fun. So you get the monthly power call, which is very cool and in and of itself, but you also get access to Andy Elliott's sales warrior training closer, closer access to Andy Elliott's sales warrior training closer vault platform.
Speaker: What? He's just making shit up now. Yes, he's literally making shit up as he goes. He like he doesn't have this many, like, this many, like, what do you even call it? Like, video sessions? There's not this many curriculum that he's made. No, this doesn't mean anything.
Speaker: You will learn how to generate hundreds of leads straight to your phone over which what could that even straight to your phone? What could that entail? Like you I'll teach you how to like ah buy like a call center lead list.
Speaker: Yeah, that's probably it. you can where you You can just like go online and pay $4.99 for like ah a bunch of people's stolen data. He's literally going to teach you geocache people's phone information from the payday loan place. Maybe that's what going dark means, is just accessing the dark web to steal information from people. That's what I was thinking.
Speaker: over Overcome any objection in your way, closing anyone, anytime, anyplace, and... Much more. Oh, much more. so For $1,500 and then $500 a month, you get a two-hour Q&A session with him once a month, and then you get a bunch of videos of him yelling.
Speaker: Pretty great. is Now, is there any fine print? There is a little bit. It says, you will only be charged one membership fee for the lifetime of the coaching program, so you will never have to pay a membership fee twice no matter how long you stay in the membership program.
Speaker: No matter how high Andy Elliott's prices go to, you will be grandfathered in at this price as long as you never stop paying your monthly subscription to the platform. my God. And I have my doubts about that. I have a feeling that he go back on that commitment.
Speaker: i would like to see that in writing. I want like contract. That's just option. Okay. a few I mean, are you ready to really step it up to the next level? I'm nervous, but I'm ready.
Speaker: Because option B is the brotherhood, a.k.a. Andy's new best friend. Oh, we were talking about how to make friends. I didn't know you could just buy them. I didn't you could just buy them.
Speaker: This is starting to sound like a cult. Yeah, it's going absolutely is it cool. There's videos of them at their classes, and they've got like people like running around the room and then doing push-ups, and they're chanting, I'm a sales warrior!
Speaker: I'm a sales warrior! Wait, are you serious? that yeah is everything about this feels like something that uh like an episode of workaholics where adam divine's character gets sucked into it hard oh yeah i think there was one where they did something kind of like yeah have like no yeah yeah there it was it was like poly shore or somebody was um unlock exclusive benefits now look this is gonna sound like a lot of money okay
Speaker: But if you think about the nine figures that you could make, this this dollar amount is so inconsequential. like You'll never think about it again. okay So don't freak out.
Speaker: i'm not I'm not worried yet. With a one-time membership fee of $100,000, then just $1,997 per month. $1,997. then just nineteen hundred and ninety seven dollars per month night What is happening? A hundred really needs extra sure ninety seven cents i love that ah hundred grand initial fee and then $2,000 a month to be Andy's new best friend.
Speaker: It's a small price to pay. on this I want to know how many people are doing this. If anyone like, because if you have that much money, you already made it. Like, what do you need from him?
Speaker: This is so absurd that like, I just can't imagine any, does this maybe they did but like there is like lesser versions of this that i people absolutely do like you know that guy patrick bet david i don't oh my god pbd yeah he he sucks that guy oh my god yeah You can literally just pay your way onto that podcast.
Speaker: Like I was listening to there's a YouTube channel. It's pretty good c called revolutionary change. And the it's a guy and a girl. And at one point the lady was running for office somewhere and The guy will tell a story where he's like, yeah, he goes, we were trying to get press and we were trying to look at all these alternative ways to get her name out there. And he's like, I actually messaged the PVD show about having her on.
Speaker: And it was a $10,000 consultation fee just to have a conversation with him about having her on the podcast. You had to join like his Scottsdale cigar lounge or something. What? Oh my God.
Speaker: how does that This circle is so dumb. it's like it's it's all It would be pitiable if they weren't just the absolute worst. Dude, money's not real anymore. like Our economy is just pretend.
Speaker: This guy has to make some money, but like even still, he has to lie about how much he's making. He's not bringing in $160 million on I'm going to message him on Instagram.
Speaker: Please hey You never know. I've messaged some people and they they messaged me back. The first thing you're going to see from him is a dick pic. Just be ready for that.
Speaker: Dude, his penis has to look so medium. I guess we we haven't explained what's included in this Andy's new best friend brotherhood policy, but what's included?
Speaker: Andy Elliott's personal phone number. Yes, the one that his wife and children call him on. If you're looking for the closest mentorship available from a high level coach who is growing at light speed pace, this is it.
Speaker: This is only for the big dogs who are serious and aren't afraid of self-development. This is for people who are unrealistic, unreasonable, and refuse to settle for anything less than at the 1% in their industry.
Speaker: This group is for people that believe in themselves to an insane level and who will execute and deliver on whatever Andy teaches. We need a real hero today. to put up the money up front for one month so they can give out his phone number to everybody.
Speaker: Oh, just dox him? Yeah. That'd be so fun. Just put it on Reddit and just watch the people, like just watch the piranhas just eat him alive. There's gotta be mobsters that want him dead, right? There's certainly a few car dealers that do.
Speaker: So you get VIP tickets to every event Andy puts at the lion's den. Is that a. The lion's den. mean, is that where you buy oversized dildos? What is the lion's den?
Speaker: The lion's den is definitely, I drive by the lion's den in Pennsylvania on my way. Like when I'm driving North and it's just like a porn shop off of like 84. Yeah. Oh yeah. I've seen the lion's den. Yeah. It's a legit actual porn shop off 84 or 81. Yeah.
Speaker: It's like in the middle of nowhere. This gives you unlimited access to Andy Elliott and upgrades you from general admission to VIP. Those tickets range from $4,000 to $6,000 a piece.
Speaker: Andy puts on 12 events a year. You will be able to come to any event you want. so even okay So even that right there, that's $72,000 value. right if you went to everyone yeah ge Wouldn't it be fun to just like you, you have an unlimited VIP ticket and every single, every single one you like, ah you just sit in the front row and and spill a big box of junior mints every time. Like struggle to open a Capri Scott and just spray it all over.
Speaker: Monthly private high level group mentorship call. um This guy has a lot to offer. i It's crazy. It's crazy. to this full of information You're basically just buying proximity to him.
Speaker: that's i mean isn't that that so many and That's how our entire U.S. government runs. Just buying proximity to power. This is more or less what the Trump family has done for the last 12 years.
Speaker: great you want to You want an audience with the president? then but you you You better yeah invest in Trump coin, Liberty Financial or whatever that scam organization they have is. It's crazy that this grift actually has a more solid business model than what the Trump family been able to successfully do without going to prison. Yeah.
Speaker: Well, I messaged him. I'll let you guys know if he messages me back. Oh, I hope he does. Oh, man, I'd be so excited if ah if he did. I'm just pleading with him. I just want to know how to be successful.
Speaker: um let me see. Hello, i am super interested in what you are selling and would love to be a part of your movement. How can I get involved? Can you teach me how to be successful?
Speaker: you should You didn't sound horny enough. That's not going work for him. if you If you want for free, just say, P.S. I'm so horny. P.S. That's how this guy works. We do a Zoom call right now. yeah As soon as you open the Zoom chat, it's just like him jerking out Oh, Jesus.
Speaker: And then I could just like record it and then like post it. Oh my God, you could ruin him. Yes. And then also send Casey Knight a jerk up video because that'll be fun.
Speaker: Of course. You guys would be the first and be like, here you go. We'll we'll go huge with it. got him. I got him. well Oh my God, I'd die.
Speaker: i don't think the yeah I don't think this guy, i don't think he has like the, like, I think he would fall into a trap like that relatively easily. I mean, most most men seem to, right? Like, if there's a trap that men fall for, it's that one.
Speaker: Yeah, it does seem to happen over and over again, especially to evangelists like Andy. Yeah, the more rich and the more powerful you are, the more you actually make yourself believe that people just are into you and they don't want to take advantage of you anymore. Mm-hmm.
Speaker: because you're an alpha male. You're a real predator.
Speaker: i just want to be free of bondage, you know?
Speaker: It's, ah he, he wants to be free from bondage while also not being free. He wants to be free from bondage on his own terms.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. He actually does speak a little bit about that. You know, like what's a Christian's favorite topic? Does anybody may know porn is? Nope. Never heard of it.
Speaker: Does anybody know what porn is? Okay, okay. What's going on now? It always comes back to porn. It does. Every single time it does, yeah. to God. Because he just knows that's like a weakness he can exploit. He's like, do you guys know what porn is? Did you know you can make six, seven, eight, nine figures off this industry?
Speaker: I've already called him fat. What is something that applies to the the most people in this room is like, oh, sexual guilt. I've started a new business. It's the Christian porn industry.
Speaker: Christian porn. Hell yes. So here's some profound messaging on on pornography. Does anybody know porn is? Yes. Pornography is fake, and you can watch it all you want, and you can sin until you're blue in the face watching it. But you can't watch it. I'll meet my girlfriend.
Speaker: It's not real. In your mind, you think that you're getting somewhere when really you're getting nowhere. Those of you that are chewing up social media every day, it's like watching porn. Is that what people think?
Speaker: Is that what people think when they watch porn is that they're they're building a relationship with a girlfriend? hu What this? This is so empty. This is just the most nothing statement ever. He's like...
Speaker: It's not real. It's in your phone. You think that's real lady? It kind of is. there what It was, then it became computer, but it's not now.
Speaker: You can't walk up to somebody and be like, look, my ah girlfriend, because it's pornography and it's not real. God. Oh my god.
Speaker: All I heard was you making great points. I don't... yeah he Did he say something about like you think it's getting you somewhere? Yeah, I think he's implying that like you think you're building a relationship with the person in the pornography, but you're not.
Speaker: He doesn't know... Okay, this guy doesn't understand what porn is. I think he does pretty well. I think he watches a lot of it. The point porn is to just like get off.
Speaker: And that's it. like It's not that serious, dude. No, it is that serious. Because you're just getting off. You think getting off without an emotional connection what is actually getting off?
Speaker: It's not. It's getting on. A one-way trip to hell. Man, why does it always compare to porn? if you ah You know what? Andy's actually got a a course where you know you wean yourself off of pornography with fentanyl.
Speaker: Oh my god. No. Look, what's what's the greater danger? You know what i mean? i mean, think about it. just made that up, right? yeah But I have put that idea out there now. We'll see if he's picking some jumps on it.
Speaker: It is so funny to watch somebody try to do the Christian grift and they clearly have like almost no knowledge of like, they they didn't read the lore book.
Speaker: Yeah, no. This is two Corinthians all over again. The good news is you don't need to You can just kind of, you can just talk off the dome and it's, yeah I mean, let's see what the comments say.
Speaker: Bro, this is rock solid. Oh, oh, literally. Amen. Clap emoji. These are paid. I was a car salesman. Now I have found Jesus for likes. Hmm. Okay. Well, there's a couple, there's a couple of good ones in there.
Speaker: Jesus for likes. Hmm. yeah Yeah, ah this is a good one here. I read the Bible every single day. I'm speaking to people. I'm learning. i I'm all of this, right? But there there's this piece in me that just goes, I still don't have the relationship. Are you ready?
Speaker: Yeah. You said you're a non-believer, right? Yeah, at the moment. No, it's totally cool. Maybe you're at a restaurant and got sick, so you're like, I'm never going back there again. Yeah. Okay. that's That's church for a lot of people. Yeah.
Speaker: When you're driving over a hill in your car, do you pull over to the side before you go over the hill and get out, walk over to the edge and see if another car is coming over in your lane before you go? Or do you have faith that the cars will stay in their lane and you'll stay in yours when you go over it?
Speaker: <unk> You're in your car all the time, right? have faith. Can you think of somebody that you know, that you look up to, that you can even remember older than maybe Napoleon Hill? But you know there was a lot of great people before him, right?
Speaker: Why don't we know about How come 2000 years after Jesus Christ died, how come every single person in the world knows who he is?
Speaker: They don't. That's why evangelical nations exist. I hate this guy. I hate him so much. Didn't used to be 3,000? And now it's 2,000? No, 2,000 is right. It's always been 2,000? Yeah.
Speaker: no two thousand is right it's always been two thousand yeah oh i feel like the way i grew up it mean, we're Jesus started a whole new
Speaker: Yeah, the key to profiting off of all of this is to not get bogged down in the details. I think, look, look, I have, if the if you, do you have faith that a car is going to stay in their lane? Yeah, because those people don't want to die.
Speaker: God has no skin in the game. He's immortal.
Speaker: He does another one that they act as like really profound. and as We can close on this one, but, oh man, we're going to go. um If there was scientific evidence that somebody came said God's not real, I would say I'm still going believe because I know how he's transformed radically my life and how he's radical radically transformed millions of other men's lives and women's lives and children's lives all around the world. I see it every day.
Speaker: I've seen them do things that no one else can do. It's unexplainable. You ever feel that little prompting when you do something like I shouldn't have done that? You ever said something about something like shouldn't have said that? My daughter, we're going to get our dog from like this dog hotel. We were down in Mexico and my daughter's like, Oh dad, there's this a slushy place right there. Turn around. Anyways, in the middle like to big U-turn because she's my 10-year-old daughter, right? You got to get everything for your little baby girl. And so I go there and I sit down and these people, there's this dad, there's this wife, and there's this son, this little son.
Speaker: This back when those kids talk to them. She gets the fleshy and she comes back. and So I'm confused. So did you take your dog to Mexico?
Speaker: Did your dog stay at a separate hotel than you? He's at a Mexican hotel. He's at a Mexican dog hotel. Or was the dog at a hotel while you were in Mexico and now you're back, but you're somehow paying for the slushy in pesos?
Speaker: There's just a lot of details here that are hard to track, but I don't want that to get distracting, you know? Yeah, let's not get bogged down in the details. car And I sat there and i was like... I'm like, why did you want to go here? She's like, dad, I don't know. Like, I wanted to go to Thrifty's, but then when I saw those people sitting outside, she's like, I felt like in my tummy that we should like turn around.
Speaker: I'm like, that's the Holy Spirit. give them thousand dollars. My daughter gets out, walks over to these people, gives them a thousand dollars. These people are trot to their knees. They start bawling, crying.
Speaker: They grab my daughter give her a huge hug. These people were going through something very hard. Like, I'm not crying in the car. Were they fat? watching these
Speaker: That's crazy. Wouldn't it be funny if he's like, wait, they're kind of fat. Go take it back.
Speaker: Obviously, they're lazy. They need to work for it. My daughter's like, I don't think we should be here. He's like, I know I've raised you right and that you're afraid of brown people, but I'm going to challenge you now to give them a thousand dollars. Yes. The mother, father and son panhandling team.
Speaker: go go get Go give them a thousand dollars. A thousand dollars. And that's how I shot. That's how I taught my daughter the value And we still had to pay for the dog hotel.
Speaker: He has a thousand dollars in cash on him. Yes. What a great, what a powerful story. I hate how it's always like they take these very like human experiences, this these innate human experiences that we have back to, oh well, it's the Holy Spirit.
Speaker: That's why you felt that way. and it's like, no, I just felt like that because like I'm a fucking human being. and Right. You can't just feel bad for people who are down and out without it being God.
Speaker: Yes. It drives me nuts. I mean, I do believe that there's not a single good impulse in him. What's that verse? The, the, the, the, the way.
Speaker: boy Too far removed. I can't think of it. Yeah, a little rusty. All of man's righteousness is filthy rags. Oh, yeah. Apostle Paul spitting hot fire. All of man's righteousness is but stiff gym socks.
Speaker: So, yeah, that's Andy Elliott. So, ah you know, if you guys want to sign up, it's, what was it, ElliotGroup247.com. I can't wait for his next scandal.
Speaker: Yeah, like he's something. He's going to punch his child or something like that in public. Next next time he's going to be like driving around with his daughter in Mexico and he'll see a couple of young men in need and be like, here, take my daughter.
Speaker: He's going to do the yeah to do the the Michael Jackson where he hangs the baby off the balcony, but with his 20 year old son.
Speaker: Oh my God. What a guy. And all of it will be the Holy Spirit telling him to do so. Yep. That's right. Well, Jill, thanks for hanging out. It was a lot of fun.
Speaker: Yeah, guys. Thank you so much. um Just love loved the time I got to hang out with you. Love listening every week. So thank you so much.
Speaker: Grateful to be here. Well, thanks for listening every week. We really appreciate it. Yeah. And where can people follow your art page? Oh, um so I am on Instagram. um I am under art underscore X underscore witch. Witch.
Speaker: Oh, my God. I hope that's W-H-I-C-H. Like, which one? so yeah we don't platform witches. we Which path will you choose? The wide easy path or the narrow tough path?
Speaker: Yeah, unfortunately, I've chosen the the path of Satan, guess. I don't know. sad i I honestly didn't even make that connection at the time. i wouldn't even add you back on. It is kind of a funny, it's kind of, it's supposed to be a funny name. And I mean, the X in the middle there is kind of reminiscent of like 2000s, like being like straight edge when like you're not even like 21 yet. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. Well, I don't personally think it's ever funny to entertain witchcraft, so I'm going to beg to differ. Yeah, let's see if what's-his-face Andy Elliott even messages me back. I hope he does. After seeing my username.
Speaker: He might think that he can save you. Yeah. Oh. that That makes men like him, despite all the all the roids, that's the only thing that gets them hard. Because he sees that I'm a vulnerable person.
Speaker: o person. So should have actually been like, help me. I'm so weak. I can't be strong without your support.
Speaker: That makes, it makes his whole body throb. I can barely stand my own big pecker vein. It's a, my muscles are an atrophy. I need you to control my body like a human marionette.
Speaker: Yeah, we'll see what happens. Hopefully the spirit will move him to DM me. So we'll see. We can all pray for that. yeah Hopefully the flesh will move a blood clot to his brain. So keep me in your prayers, people.
Speaker: I think the flesh is going to move blood somewhere else, but but
Speaker: you know, well, yes, we do know.
Speaker: Well, thanks for listening, everybody. See you next time.
