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Episode 443: What comes next?
137 Plays21 days ago
Southampton – The decisions are made, the playoffs are done, and the season is over. So what now?
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Podcast Return and Motivation
00:00:13
DailySaintsPod
Hello and welcome back to the Daily Saints pod. My name is Greg and as always today joined by good friend, wonderful co-host, Zach. Mate, we've had a bit of time off ah to let the dust settle and let our heads clear. How are you doing?
00:00:31
Zak
It's been like four days, but yet we were already like that. And to be quite frank, we probably were going to take a bit of a break. It was actually a social media comment that Greg sent to me that was like, man, don't let Eckert ruin my podcast as well.
00:00:47
Zak
honestly, I genuinely found it so endearing. I was like, do know Nah, we'll carry on doing it. We've got loads to talk about. um And it turns out that, yeah, like continued fallout of it.
Championship Loss and Fanbase Turmoil
00:00:57
Zak
You know, we've we've got a ah championship playoff final that was not won by the team that had us kind of thrown out.
00:01:05
Zak
There seems to have been massive turmoil in the fan base for people going left, right and centre for who our next manager should be. So, like quite frankly, we wanted to talk about it. And after having a few days away and being able to kind of reflect on it, were like...
00:01:20
Zak
Let's talk about it. Let's carry on. So that's how we are.
00:01:21
DailySaintsPod
Yeah. Oh,
00:01:23
Zak
And in in the words of Holly Willoughby, that one time where she came back after all of the stuff, to do what's his name? How are you? And that's why they...
00:01:33
DailySaintsPod
wait, wait. I think the last thing I was expecting on the show was a Holly Willoughby quote.
00:01:39
Zak
that's why they
00:01:40
DailySaintsPod
But yeah, you're right. Look, um... it's It's been a tough
Club Wrongdoing and Sanctions
00:01:46
DailySaintsPod
one, isn't it? I mean, it was a a lot to take the day the news broke and then obviously all of the information about the the specifics came out and that kind of made it worse.
00:01:50
Zak
Hmm.
00:01:56
DailySaintsPod
And by the time we were sat waiting for the appeal decision, i think that there was general consensus across the fan base of was pretty embarrassing to even appeal. isn't It had been caught dead to rights.
00:02:07
DailySaintsPod
and
00:02:07
Zak
Yeah, like, I think that what's even worse is, like, we said we'd probably do an episode on The Appeal.
00:02:12
Zak
We just weren't feeling it. But, like, what's the point?
00:02:13
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:02:14
Zak
What is that I was there to talk about, like, yeah, we did it. We tried to admit to it. But clearly the fact that we lied at the beginning by saying it was a one-time thing definitely didn't go in our favor.
00:02:25
Zak
and Like, there's just been a whole...
00:02:25
DailySaintsPod
Yeah, and and while the sanction feels harsh and felt harsh in the moment and still, I think, feels ah like a lot, when you look at the the reasoning of how they've got there and break it down into the fact that the playoffs is a separate competition completely and is not the championship season, And therefore, as a knockout competition, it's, you know, worked in the same rules as knockout football.
00:02:50
DailySaintsPod
And you only have to look at Swindon, who, you know, had ah an admin error and fielded a player who was suspended from a previous club and got kicked out of the entire EFL trophy.
00:03:01
DailySaintsPod
It's um it's just the same thing.
Cultural and Managerial Issues
00:03:03
DailySaintsPod
And it feels harsh because of the stakes, but it...
00:03:05
Zak
It is harsh. it feel It feels harsh because it is harsh, but at the same time, I kind of take the opinion of if we just didn't if we didn't do it, it have been a problem.
00:03:06
DailySaintsPod
um
00:03:16
DailySaintsPod
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:03:16
Zak
um You could argue that Tonda didn't know if it was right or wrong.
00:03:21
Zak
i feel like they talk about the culture in Germany and they talk about how, you know, analysts literally get invited. When you're sending your intern, I think, again, that's the thing that really gets me.
00:03:32
Zak
It's the fact that they like kept passing it passing it, passing it down the chain to a bunch of people that have clearly pushed back. That's when I kind of find it a bit like, what was the point?
00:03:42
Zak
And on top of that, it it shows a lack of faith in the players to just get the job done the pitch, which ironically he built so well.
00:03:47
DailySaintsPod
ba the sillyy That's the That's the really silly
00:03:51
Zak
Like...
Cheating Scandal and Fan Reactions
00:03:53
DailySaintsPod
part, right?
00:03:53
DailySaintsPod
Is that if you take it all out of it, the very like minimal sporting advantage that we could have gained through doing it, and evidently didn't, right?
00:03:54
Zak
yeah
00:04:03
DailySaintsPod
Because you look at the games that we got copped for and the poor results.
00:04:06
Zak
The games we admitted to, let's face it.
00:04:08
DailySaintsPod
Yeah. Yeah, but I mean, it's... some Yeah, it was, it was with you know, there was no actual advantage to be gained, but that's irrelevant because we tried to ah needlessly and stupidly and foolishly.
00:04:14
Zak
We didn't win them. We didn't beat like Oxford, you know?
00:04:24
DailySaintsPod
And I think um you said it to me first, but really put it in perspective. And if if you don't think that what you're doing is wrong, you don't stash a change of clothes in a toilet in the golf club.
00:04:37
DailySaintsPod
Like, it's as simple as that.
00:04:39
Zak
Yeah, it's i not only that, you don't you don't send out pictures of you pretending to be a spy and this, any other.
00:04:39
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:04:45
Zak
like There's so much damning. And i think that the the most I think the biggest backlash from all of this, to be honest, is yet to come. And I think that in the backlash from, say, Middlesbrough fans who, well, let's just say they've been delightful at Hull.
00:05:01
Zak
As we all know, I'm not going to get into that because I think that there's been bad apples both sides fence, right?
00:05:06
DailySaintsPod
hundred percent.
00:05:06
Zak
ah we've we've but We've taken a lot of brunt from it for being on social media.
00:05:07
DailySaintsPod
Right. And it's
00:05:11
Zak
And because of that, that's just unfortunately part and parcel of it.
00:05:11
DailySaintsPod
yeah.
00:05:15
Zak
And likewise, they put...
00:05:15
DailySaintsPod
it definitely It definitely paints a bad picture. um And to be fair, some of the in-person experiences I had at the the semifinals were not not great, um which also sort of tarnished it.
00:05:21
Zak
Yeah. Yeah.
00:05:29
DailySaintsPod
But you're right, it's it's from both sides and it's because we're seeing the worst of both sides and it's such an emotive situation.
00:05:32
Zak
Yeah, and it's us trying to defend ourselves, right? That's the other thing, is that when you're back into a corner, people do, and that's how and that's how they feel.
00:05:36
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:05:40
Zak
They now feel that they've got their back up because they've they've
Managerial Controversy and Fan Trust
00:05:43
Zak
lost again. And the whole thing with, you know, there are some fans that are self-reflective with the fact that, you know, Helberg hasn't been great for them and that they they kind of bottled it at the end.
00:05:54
Zak
There's been some fans that seem to think it's all of our fault. Likewise of us, there's fans that, you know, we'll get into... what wanted it' to talk about later, which is the I think that the biggest set of turmoil to come is still the split, which is in our own fan base.
00:06:08
DailySaintsPod
Mm-hmm.
00:06:08
Zak
Speaking of which, it's talking about the future of specifically Tonda Eckert and the fact that I am, over the last couple of days, have seen people flip and now kind of...
00:06:23
Zak
want him to stay. Whereas from a personal perspective, I see his future at the club completely untenable and the the noise around keeping him is mainly coming from fans.
00:06:34
Zak
And admittedly, the club have said and continues have said nothing, which doesn't help But...
00:06:39
DailySaintsPod
Well, that in itself is ah is a thing, right?
00:06:40
Zak
ah
00:06:42
DailySaintsPod
the The radio silence from the club on just about all matters is... um I mean, if anything, it only serves to dishearten and drive that divide between the fans even more.
00:06:53
DailySaintsPod
Hmm.
00:06:54
Zak
I think to come out with statement like they did and to try and be like, oh, it's stakes, stakes, only... What they need to be doing is being like, right, we're having an independent commission. They're going through XYZ. They will do this XYZ.
00:07:05
Zak
We will keep you updated. Like, even something like that...
00:07:07
DailySaintsPod
just a bit of openness, isn't it? it doesn't It shouldn't take a lot, and it's it's really upsetting um that they haven't like seen that and got ahead of it.
00:07:14
Zak
Yeah. Yeah.
00:07:16
DailySaintsPod
And and i actually think, before we sort of get into the the other stuff, the really upsetting part is... um the The fracture that we're going to experience and are experiencing in the fan base was something that that you know has existed for a while. You think you saw it as soon as Sports Republic took over, really. You're either Ralph in or you're Ralph out. And it hasn't really been unified and together um at all throughout that period until...
00:07:48
DailySaintsPod
this particular run of wins, which is
Player Morale and Legal Compliance
00:07:51
DailySaintsPod
what makes it so devastating and so heartbreaking, is that it really felt like we were getting that back and we were all united behind the same course.
00:07:51
Zak
Yep.
00:07:59
DailySaintsPod
And to have that ripped away so brutally and in such a horrible way because of decisions of the people at the club. And you're right, to me, that is what makes Tonda's position untenable.
00:08:13
DailySaintsPod
But at the end of the day, the yeah barring results of the FA investigation that we know is ongoing, which you know could force anyone's hand one way or another, um the the overall decision behind it realistically comes down to the players because we know what player power is in the dressing room and we've seen what that is when they don't buy into a manager.
00:08:33
Zak
Yes.
00:08:37
DailySaintsPod
ah We saw that earlier in the season and you know, Tonda definitely had the buy-in of all of these players, but they have also come out and said how hurt and devastated they are and they feel.
00:08:50
DailySaintsPod
And that's going to go a long way. um whether that emotion has lessened over the you know the previous days, I mean, it seems very unlikely to me because for us, you know, we lost out on a day at Wembley and lost out on that opportunity and for some fans lost out on travel money and hotel money, which is ah horrible and disgusting.
00:09:11
DailySaintsPod
ah But for the players, they missed out on a chance to you know, do what they want to do in football, put their name in lights on that big stage be the heroes.
00:09:19
Zak
Mm-hmm.
00:09:21
DailySaintsPod
And not only that, earn a... buttload of money to go with it. like
00:09:25
Zak
Yeah, if you if you were told to keep working, regardless of what job you're in, remove your yourself from the the fact that it's football. If you're at a job and you're told to work really, really hard and you're working towards an end goal on a project and you are putting in shift after shift after shift, you're losing time with family, you're doing all this and the other, and you get right the the finish line and they go well done, everybody. Unfortunately, though, it turns out that the you know company has a massive fine because of we've broken some rules and unfortunately none of you are getting at your pay rises. Like, it doesn't matter what job position you're in, you're going to be furious. And I feel like if it is simple as a mistake as, okay, well, I didn't realize the rules.
00:10:06
Zak
maybe it could be forgiven. I think that the calculated nature of it makes me wonder, is Tonda as good of a coach as he has made out to be? How much of it how much of it is just the fact that he's done...
00:10:14
DailySaintsPod
Yeah, that's the thing, right?
00:10:18
Zak
How much of it is his analysis team sending him all the information to tell the players how much of it is actually coaching? And i think this is where if you keep him and you take that risk you take that gamble and then all of a sudden it backfires immediately and we end up in the same position...
00:10:31
Zak
that we end up with we've ended up in multiple seasons in a row now of we get halfway through a season and we change the manager it's just i just can't do it again man it's like what is this gonna be manager search five on the show did it two years
00:10:39
DailySaintsPod
Yeah. No, I fully agree. and i i ah
00:10:46
DailySaintsPod
proper meanss The problem is, mate, that um look I've seen the discourse as well and I've seen the Saints fans try you know trying to justify it. I think that the genuine trigger for it is um they've accepted that Tonda is gone and looked at the list of managers we're potentially going hire and gone, ugh.
00:11:04
Zak
I don't like any of them.
00:11:06
DailySaintsPod
So, you know out of them, Tonda feels like maybe the the path of least resistance.
00:11:12
DailySaintsPod
But...
00:11:12
Zak
Which is ironic, because when he took over his interim, everyone was furious.
00:11:15
Zak
and everyone Especially where there were people talking about how he was saying, come on, and we became quite quickly tonder in.
00:11:15
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:11:21
Zak
Because, you know, unlike that one guy that seems to be convinced that all fans should have known they were cheating, which... Again, that's ah that's a whole piece of discourse that I can't get into on one show.
00:11:33
Zak
to be clear, lots of fans of our club. um But, you know, it's other than that, like, you know, we 100% bought into it and thinking that this guy is becoming like, how is it that he just knows? And now we're like, oh, well, this is how he knows.
00:11:46
Zak
But I think that there is a a big moral issue with keeping him as well, not just from the perspective of us, like your own morals aside, if you want to keep him because you think that he's what's going to bring something next and he's going to beat all of the, it's the reputational damage that's happened to the club.
00:12:02
Zak
And on top of that, sponsors and all this, any other. And it's like, how much are Southampton, the organization willing to front up to protect this young manager that they've brought in, who's done all this wrong against corporate sponsors, against XYZ.
00:12:20
Zak
Like those are the other factors that whilst we don't consider that to be a problem and some people go, Oh, it doesn't matter. It does, because ultimately it's a commercial business because we know that or otherwise they wouldn't be panicking, closing up doors and trying to figure out what to do next.
00:12:27
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:12:30
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
Promotion Impact and Managerial Future
00:12:35
DailySaintsPod
At the end of the day, we've talked a lots in the coming in in the past weeks about how important promotion potentially was to the club. And at the end of the day, in the investigation, he has come out and taken full responsibility for the action that has specifically seen us not end up in a position to go and win that promotion. Right? Not that beating Hull was guaranteed by any stretch of the imagination. Let's put that out there. Right? To say it's a £200 million pound fine because we were going to beat Hull anyway. That's not necessarily how football plays out, as we well know. um
00:13:12
DailySaintsPod
But, you know, he's he's the cause of that. And so that's where that's where the fault lies. and And like I said in our last show, even with emotions running hard, at the end of the day, um some degree, ah the fault might fall even higher than him as well.
00:13:30
DailySaintsPod
And I wouldn't be entirely surprised if we see both him and Spores go um off the back of it, especially... depending you know especially depending on the outcome of these fa investigations you know that they're going to go through and and drag up absolutely everything and
00:13:47
Zak
but Especially where, if you remember rightly, when Spores first came in, one of the things that we were quite happy about was the fact that he looked like he was going to take accountability. And he basically said, look, the footballing decisions, the buck stops with me.
00:13:58
DailySaintsPod
yeah
00:13:59
Zak
and And if it is as simple as they didn't explain the proper rules to Tom de Racket because they you know basically didn't give him the full breakdown because he was interim, right directly after Will Steele, which is some of the rumours I've seen floating around.
00:14:14
Zak
Like that in itself is embarrassing enough, in my opinion, to fire someone, right? Like you forgot to tell your new manager, you forgot to forward the handbook for their job.
00:14:19
DailySaintsPod
Yeah, 100%.
00:14:25
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:14:26
Zak
Like, come on.
00:14:26
DailySaintsPod
And i mean and i mean, even beyond that, mate, like at the end of the day, ah the EFL rules and regulations handbook, whilst it is a um you know, a a deep and reasonably impenetrable set of legalese, right? It's a 288-page document. But it is available for free on their website for you to go and peruse anything you want. If you're going to be implementing a system to a club that the club has not done before...
00:14:56
DailySaintsPod
maybe just a cursory glance or asking someone who I'm sure the club has legal people or people who specifically are designed to ensure compliance of these rules to ask the question.
00:15:09
DailySaintsPod
um
00:15:09
Zak
Oh,
00:15:10
DailySaintsPod
Is, you know, iss it's it. I just got the deeply... maybe a bit upsetting message on it when I just accessed it myself, mate, of ah the Google results saying, you visit here often.
00:15:26
Zak
it's crazy how we've, um,
00:15:29
DailySaintsPod
a
00:15:30
Zak
alright it's crazy how we've um
00:15:31
DailySaintsPod
It's just how my brain digests the the stuff. But yeah, I mean, I've done all the reading. I've read through, ah I think, about 35 pages of this 288-page sheet now.
00:15:42
DailySaintsPod
And I read through all of the legal outcomes, the full written ah documents for the appeal.
00:15:42
Zak
Good grief.
00:15:50
DailySaintsPod
And yeah, I mean, it's... For me, that's that's how I managed to cope and come to terms with it, because I understand how the decision was made, and even though it felt harsh, really, there was there was no choice the way that the dice fell.
00:16:04
DailySaintsPod
And, do you know, I've seen all of the stuff coming out about, them oh, well, one of the people on the board used to play for Middlesbrough, where he played one game for Middlesbrough 40 years ago and is now a decorated lawyer, which...
00:16:04
Zak
I think...
00:16:17
Zak
Still, still alike it's one of those things, though, where you're like, they could have just not picked that guy.
00:16:17
DailySaintsPod
see
00:16:22
Zak
like That's one of the things where you're like, hey, guys, anything to anything to declare?
00:16:22
DailySaintsPod
That's the thing.
00:16:27
Zak
I would be surprised if the bloke forgot he played for the Nilsbrot, and that's how that came about, but still.
00:16:28
DailySaintsPod
Well, that's the other thing, right? Because despite coming to terms with the punishment personally, and I'm sure that that's not going to be the general opinion among the Saints fans, and that's fair enough, right?
00:16:42
DailySaintsPod
I ah respect all of the opinions on it.
00:16:44
Zak
yeah I get it.
00:16:45
DailySaintsPod
It is harsh.
00:16:45
Zak
Like...
00:16:46
DailySaintsPod
I have i have come to terms with it and and personally accepted it. But... Despite that, the EFL have made an absolute laughingstock of themselves with the way they've handled it from from start to finish, from putting ex-Middlesbrough players on the board to even you know
00:16:56
Zak
Oh, God, it's dire.
EFL's Role and Fan Backlash
00:17:05
DailySaintsPod
have that dragged up as a question.
00:17:05
Zak
that That, if I remember rightly, is that they hired an independent company and that company were the ones that put the bloke on that board. So that's the embarrassing thing.
00:17:12
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:17:13
Zak
But on top of that, it's it's what i what I still cannot quite understand is that when this first happened, if they had no precedent they had idea what to do call off the semifinal.
00:17:23
Zak
I understand it's the day before, but if they'd called off that semifinal, you're now not going to have all of the challenges from all the fans.
00:17:23
DailySaintsPod
Yeah. Just hope. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Stupid.
00:17:30
Zak
Okay, you're going to lose broadcast revenue, but then you have a whole new set of semifinals and you have a whole final and it doesn't feel as tainted and as weird, as opposed to like where, you know, just before the games, at Wembley that, you know, Hull luckily won for Middlesbrough's sake because if not, they were then going to face a legal challenge from Hull.
00:17:50
Zak
And then you've just got the absolute farce that is now football is never going to be decided on the pitch.
00:17:51
DailySaintsPod
sleep
00:17:56
Zak
And that's kind of sad thing about it.
00:17:56
DailySaintsPod
Yeah, it was just, look, it was but at the end of the day, it was absolutely just the EFL kicking the can down the road, hoping that Middlesbrough would beat us so that they didn't have to worry about the the consequences and the logistics.
00:18:03
Zak
Hmm.
00:18:08
DailySaintsPod
But at the end of the day, we see them cancel games and postpone games for a little bit of ice as close as 15 minutes before the game. So they should have just put, push yeah, yeah.
00:18:19
Zak
or 80 minutes into a game, right, in the cut-tents of like Blackburn at home against Ipswich that one time, right, with the pitch that was all soggy.
00:18:23
DailySaintsPod
Yeah, Blackburn, exactly. Yeah. 100%. So that's what they should have done. They should have postponed the semifinals and pushed it back. And I understand there's still time constraints and stuff because of the World Cup and other stuff, but... um that's the proper way to have gone about it. and And, you know, the results still would have been the same for us, probably, from that outcome, right? We would have not been in the playoffs that they replayed based off the evidence we've seen.
00:18:49
DailySaintsPod
But the the sentiment from all fans would have been less intense, less ridiculous, less all over the place because it's it's been insane.
00:19:00
Zak
It wouldn't be ultimately the fans that suffered half as much, right? Because that's it.
00:19:03
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:19:04
Zak
Like, Hull have done nothing wrong. Hull just played a playoff final and have had to suffer and, you know, fair play to them for once again.
00:19:06
DailySaintsPod
No, I've had to suffer, thankfully won't.
00:19:11
DailySaintsPod
Yeah. And I'm sure you've seen the story of the fans who were, you know, mid-flight to the UK to watch Saints in the final from America and from Australia that, you know, found out in the air.
00:19:21
Zak
ah it's grim.
00:19:23
DailySaintsPod
And it's just not okay, is it, the way it was handled?
00:19:27
Zak
No, because it's not like they're going to get everything refunded and airlines aren't going to refund that and this and the other.
00:19:30
DailySaintsPod
No. No.
00:19:31
Zak
And the AFL are like, oh, it's a risk.
00:19:32
DailySaintsPod
i've seen people struggling to get their train fares back and people struggling to get their hotel fares back. It's just crazy. And I still haven't had my ticket money back.
00:19:43
DailySaintsPod
I know that they're processing the refunds and they said they're in due course, but.
00:19:46
Zak
Yeah, and on top of that, you've got the people that work in the refund office that are going to have to suffer for
Fan Experience and Club Communication
00:19:51
Zak
all of that. It's not going to be, you know, a very much doubt Phil Parsons is picking up the phone and going to work a shift on the phones, answering all of the refund requests, right, and apologizing and sending out, I don't know, a complimentary burger ticket for next season when you spend £5 at level one.
00:19:59
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:20:04
DailySaintsPod
Well, that's the thing, right? is like Because we do not know what happens next to try and move on to the next point, mate.
00:20:11
Zak
no
00:20:12
DailySaintsPod
like There's been no outcoming clarity from the club whatsoever.
00:20:18
DailySaintsPod
ah As far as anybody who is looking on as a fan can see, they've just dropped the ball, not refunded the tickets and got on holiday, right?
00:20:18
Zak
nope
00:20:27
Zak
the last the last statement The last statement good was that they posted out on, I think, Twitter was, we have this evening been informed the EFO's arbitration panel has upheld the sanctions imposed early this week, 25th of May.
00:20:30
DailySaintsPod
That's
00:20:41
Zak
and that was That was generally the last minute bit of information that's been sent out. And obviously, I think there's been an email or so about ticket refunds
00:20:48
DailySaintsPod
Yeah, they they put out a statement the day after about the ticket refund process, which was as copy-paste as it could have been. It was, in fact, one line. It says, refunds will be returned to the original method payment due to the volume and following a advice from our ticket provider.
00:21:00
DailySaintsPod
We understand that refunds should be in fans' accounts 10 to 14 working days.
00:21:05
Zak
And now we're stuck in a Oh, that doesn't help either.
00:21:05
DailySaintsPod
Of course, being a bank holiday is ah you that's a long time. And then the other the you know the only other thing we've heard from the club since then was one day later they posted, take that, St Mary's, everything you need to know.
00:21:18
DailySaintsPod
So that's that's it. That's all you've got from the club.
00:21:22
Zak
we
00:21:22
DailySaintsPod
No acknowledgement or further or... hey, we're going to take some time to let this investigation run its course and do the right thing, and we're not going to release any season ticket information just yet until that investigation's run its course. Because that's all it needs. like All of these things are obvious. We can see these things, but what it actually just needs is some clarity and openness from the club to come out and tell us this. Because their silence through the whole debacle has been... um
00:21:56
DailySaintsPod
ah i I don't have a word that's appropriate for the type of language we use on this show, mate. It's just been awful.
00:22:03
Zak
it's a new It's a new type of limbo. So after all the limbo of everything, they build up to the semi-final, and then all of a sudden we find out we're not in it. And then we're... You know, you you were smart enough to go out yesterday, ah submit admittedly into enemy territory.
00:22:15
Zak
um But I... I mean i spent...
00:22:17
DailySaintsPod
I had a lovely day in South Sea and definitely came out redder than blue, but that's more to the fund than that.
00:22:21
Zak
i I spent sort of ah a pretty chill day at home. I did a lot of housey bits and pieces. i reinvested my refunded hotel money into a fan for the summer, which is a thing that's fantastic for both me and my wife.
00:22:35
Zak
I bought her like the latest expansion pack for some Disney game that she's been playing that she's really enjoying. We just had a very, very relaxed day. She did that. I watched the Pile final.
00:22:46
Zak
It wasn't the greatest of games, i'm not going to lie. ah You can tell that by the barely any shots on target for throughout 94 minutes.
00:22:50
DailySaintsPod
Hmm.
00:22:54
Zak
It was a cup final game, much unlike Bolton today, by the way.
Playoff Finals and Fan Emotions
00:22:57
DailySaintsPod
i mean but I mean, as as much as you big out a day out at Wembley, inevitably that's what most games at Wembley become.
00:22:57
Zak
Congratulations to them and my friend James.
00:22:59
Zak
But...
00:23:03
Zak
Steph, you're just stressed for 95 minutes, right? Like, it's just sweating.
00:23:07
DailySaintsPod
Yeah, because all of those players are nervous and don't want to be the player that makes a mistake that sends them to Wembley. So it just becomes a cagey affair. um It was like the Stoneham game. I watched the Stoneham-Cockfosters game last week for the FA...
00:23:24
DailySaintsPod
fa ah Vars?
00:23:28
Zak
I think VAR's trophy is the one, the non-league one.
00:23:28
DailySaintsPod
Yes. um And yeah, like that that game was the same.
00:23:31
Zak
The non-league one.
00:23:33
DailySaintsPod
like Stoneham scored something ridiculous like 168 goals last season and it finished 0-0. The top striker from Cockfosters who has 15-18 goals in season like went to take a shot and moved the ball out of his way with his standing foot. like It's just nerve-y.
00:23:54
Zak
I think more to my point, mate, is that like yes, okay, it was just a bit surreal. like We're supposed to have this big day out Wembley, and we didn't.
00:24:03
Zak
And instead, it was Hull and Middlesbrough, and it was kind of like looking at this weird alternative timeline. And and the sign has sort of come into terms with the fact that our season is just over, and you've got like the Taylor Harwood-Bellis picture a Guinness that then he deleted because people are mad at him, and
00:24:14
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:24:20
Zak
Again, like, i don't want to get into...
00:24:20
DailySaintsPod
why people are mad at that. He's finished for the season, haven't he?
00:24:22
Zak
ah don't I don't know. Look, I don't want to get the fan discourse of... of I don't want to...
Club's Future and Scandal Repercussions
00:24:28
Zak
We're already going to have the words cheats put under every single social media post we put out there for the next three years, okay?
00:24:33
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:24:33
Zak
I don't want i don't want to draw any more ire from them.
00:24:36
Zak
like It's just it's not worth my time. And quite frankly, there are people who are better at the banter than me that do it all over the rest of the socials anyway.
00:24:42
DailySaintsPod
That's just the wrong attitude. We need to embrace it and buy into the rage. Yeah.
00:24:48
Zak
ah No, because also that's just not me as a person. But I think what my point was, mate, is that we are now in this new set of lip this new type of limbo.
00:24:51
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:24:55
Zak
We're going into this week now, and now there's going to be the sort of start to the build-up of the World Cup. The Premier League's over. We now know who the championship's going to be made up of. It wasn't the dream ending for Arsenal as Spurs managed to stay up.
00:25:09
Zak
Terrible for West Ham as, you know, once again, i feel commiserations to both Karl Walker-Peters and Matty Fernandes. By the sounds of it, Matty Fernandes is already on his way to his next club. and For Karl Walker-Peters, he was a servant that put everything in. And, you know, once again, didn't quite get the rewards from, you know, this season being at West Ham. But we've now got, what, the Champions League final, and then that narrative ends, and then we go into this World Cup where we're going to have a lot to talk about because we've got a lot of Saints that are there. Whether they're going to remain Saints is difficult because this horrible sense of limbo now hangs over us as to who is even our manager. Right now it's Tonda Rekker.
00:25:46
Zak
We don't know if that's going to be the case. Who is in charge of Tonda Rekker? Potentially Spores? We don't know. Which players are going to stay? Well, a vast majority of them under contract, all the ones that aren't, probably aren't. you know If Ross Stewart has a really solid World Cup, mate, what is to stop someone else from picking him up, especially if his contract's expiring?
00:26:03
DailySaintsPod
yeah
00:26:03
Zak
Does James Bree go back to Charlton?
00:26:07
Zak
The narrative of what is to come next season Like, you know, the the the questions and the thing we decided to talk about was literally what comes next, new manager, who will go, cetera, I think is my exact notes. And what you've confirmed, Greg, is we could barely talk about it because we have no idea. Like, no one idea. Like, people talking Scott Parker, Sean Dyche, these are just thumbs in the air, mate.
00:26:28
Zak
Mate.
00:26:30
DailySaintsPod
right because we just don't know how could we.
00:26:32
Zak
a
00:26:33
DailySaintsPod
and that's the That's what the club needs to do. They need to come out and state all of this, um and then they need to take quick, decisive action either way. you know it's the summer. I know people are going to be on holiday. I know it's World Cup, but we need to see um a decision on manager because this is the thing that hinders us every year, right? We go into the transfer window as, the you know, the season starts before the transfer window starts, and effectively you've got a month of just not knowing exactly who you are or where you're at, right? You've seen it last, you saw it this season, right? We had people play championship games. Matty Fernandez played championship game for us, right? Yeah,
00:27:14
Zak
Yeah, no, you're right. That is when you look at absolutely mental.
00:27:18
DailySaintsPod
right. Like the year, the last championship season, our starting lineup in one of the opening games the season had James Ward-Prowles and Nathan Teller in it, neither of which were here, right?
00:27:31
DailySaintsPod
Three games later. It's,
00:27:33
Zak
you're You're right. They did use Prowsy for of their kit promo for him to be in one of those kits.
00:27:35
DailySaintsPod
And just... I don't mean, even this season, right? Like, this season, and ah sat there and laugh every single time because they do the pre-game video in the in stadium and put the things up on the screen. And it gets to the part of all of the current players in the current kit. And it's like, Will Smallbone, not here. Adam Armstrong, not here. Like...
00:28:00
Zak
Yeah.
00:28:01
DailySaintsPod
It's just insanity. And it's, yeah, the the best thing the club can do is be quick, decisive and get as much of it sorted as they can. And look, player transfers going on is always going to be a late thing, right? We've talked about that a lot last year with like the chain of moving house. I get that, but they need to get a clear vision of what we're doing next season, of who, who is in charge and what's going happen. Um,
00:28:31
DailySaintsPod
Hopefully they can at least keep some of the players that we would like to keep that are out of contract this summer. Hopefully they can renew their deals and get that out the way like what Any single one piece of positive news that would come out regarding a contract renewal would be enough to tide fans through, Yeah.
00:28:54
Zak
Well, yeah, because if not, what's going to happen is we're just going to continue to fracture amongst ourselves.
00:28:59
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:29:00
Zak
And it is already happening, right? Now, it's like like with any great empire, mate. When you remove the external threat, right? When you suddenly can't go to war with someone outside. And like, at the moment, we have all been quite united in shutting up shop against having to deal with all the stick from Borough.
00:29:15
Zak
And to be honest, having to deal with all the stick from the entirety of the Football League and making fun of ourselves. Right? Now that that is going to all pass, it's going to be, you know, us having to...
00:29:21
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:29:25
Zak
We're just going to end up fighting amongst ourselves. Because we at the moment, the identity of what it means to be a Saints fan is is hugely at risk, right?
00:29:27
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:29:34
Zak
And they by just continuing to be silent, everyone is going to start carving out what they think that means and what they think that Southampton Football Club is about, basically.
00:29:40
DailySaintsPod
Yeah. And it's, It's important that they try and get ahead of it because there are deadlines, right, coming up that we know about. For example, June 10th is the very latest that we can publicly release our retained and released list, right? And so if it gets to that deadline date and the first we hear is James Breeze gone and Ross Stewart gone or currently, you know, trying to renew, it's just not good enough, right?
00:30:12
DailySaintsPod
Like, we've known since January that these players' contracts are up, and know that we didn't know whether we were going up or down, but the way you deal with that is you have, in my opinion, you have two deals on the table, right?
00:30:22
DailySaintsPod
This is the deal if we go up. This is the deal if we go if we don't go up.
00:30:26
Zak
Yeah, but is is it as simple as the fact that they're now having to do a deal that goes, this is a deal where we didn't go up, but we accidentally messed up for you. And that might be why it's taking so long.
00:30:34
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:30:35
Zak
But the problem is is, again, it's just any level of noise.
00:30:36
DailySaintsPod
Maybe. I'm sure there is because... Yeah, but that's the thing. I'm sure there is because I'm sure that, um you know, it it didn't take long for the news to come out that the players were unhappy enough that they were going to be going to the players' union and seeing what they could do in terms of legal action.
00:30:52
Zak
Again, does not surprise me that don't blame any of you.
00:30:54
DailySaintsPod
ah No, not even a little bit, right? um And the... the end of the day when when that noise comes out that quickly it's no smoke without fire and you know they're going to do their best as a club to hopefully to um to deal with that and handle it and I don't know what that will mean. And I'm sure that we will probably never know what that looks like, whether it's, well, we'll pay you half of the bonus or, or something, or, oh, this fund, that because ah this supposed fund that we were going to divvy up on top of like your contractual bonuses. Um, maybe they just released that fund to them. ah You know, we, the chances are, we will never know, but, um,
00:31:41
DailySaintsPod
But the club just needs come out and just say that it's being handled rather than than leaving us not knowing because it's just not okay.
00:31:46
Zak
Yeah, this is this is the thing. is it's the The silence is saying more at the moment. And I think that the reputational damage that has been done to our club is immense. And it's going to be years to recover. It's more embarrassing than any of the 9-0s we've ever
Scandal Severity and Rebuilding Reputation
00:32:04
Zak
had. It's the most embarrassing thing for probably any club in in this lifetime. for I know that sounds extreme because, again, the flip side of it is it's a couple of blokes being caught a bush.
00:32:15
Zak
But again, for me, it's all of the mitigating circumstances around it. It's the culture of fear, supposedly, that was built. It's the covering up and lying about it rather than just coming clean.
00:32:26
Zak
It's all that kind of stuff that is going stick to us, right? Like Teflon, it's awful.
00:32:29
DailySaintsPod
Yeah. Yeah.
00:32:31
Zak
It's not going to go away anytime soon. And that's what's so frustrating about it. It's not as extreme as it's been made out to be. But the flip side is that it's also not just a bloke caught by a tree. That was just the inciting incident that resulted in where we're at now.
00:32:47
Zak
and And as long as all of this continues, I just don't know what they can do. and this is probably one of the reasons they are being so quiet is they are trying to figure out how the heck do we build our reputation back up?
00:32:58
Zak
Because there is the reputation with the fans they need to think about, but it's the reputation of companies and sponsors. And, you know, you think if you're P&O Cruises and you think you're about to get a massive deal that then goes into the Premier League,
00:33:04
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:33:10
Zak
And you're going to get all of those eyes on, you know, around the world. And not like realistically P&O need to advertise themselves, but some of these other sponsors that probably going to be furious because they were, you know, kind of banking on it. And I know that we can't say that anything of football is automatic, but to remove our own chance from that, and then Southampton will complain about it, but ultimately it's the actions that were taking place by the analyst team under the direction of our manager who potentially was under the direction of someone else or at least was sharing that information has caused that problem.
00:33:35
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:33:40
Zak
So they have to sit there and deal with multiple things. But if you are going to power a statement that says, we are going to do our best to rebuild trust and like relationships with the fans and then say nothing for four days, that is a terrible, terrible way to start that.
00:33:56
Zak
And, you know, that's that. It's just been... It'll be interesting to see what happens going forward. And I can understand every side of the spectrum from those that think we've been really hard done by to those that don't want to renew their season ticket.
00:34:10
Zak
Because I think that I am still processing emotions where some days I wake up and think it's absolutely ridiculous. This is infuriating. And other times i think about it a little bit too more too much. And then I start to kind of go, well, actually, yeah maybe.
00:34:24
Zak
and the vast majority of all of this has been influenced by what I can only describe as an absolute media storm
Media Influence and Fan Perception
00:34:28
Zak
and pile on. But subsequently, that's going to happen in any event now.
00:34:33
DailySaintsPod
that's actually part of the problem as well, presumably, right?
00:34:33
Zak
That's just...
00:34:36
DailySaintsPod
Because, like, obviously we... you know, we focus on the club enough to do a daily podcast, right? And we've you talked about that before. And we have this sort of solid flow of news to us from, you know, our sources that we've built over this time and our contacts and our social medias and, you know, the other creators that we speak to and the other just community, saints community parts that we are a part of, we see and feel this news filtered in. But actually from a corporate perspective, um
00:35:10
DailySaintsPod
it's been like less than a working day since there since they got the decision, right? And that's the problem. It's been like the longest time for us because it's been an eternity whilst this is all dragged out.
00:35:21
DailySaintsPod
But actually, like, you know, you assume from a working day, they picked it up Friday morning and and it's now bank holiday.
00:35:29
Zak
Yeah, and and and some will look at it and realise some of it won't be a problem and some of them won't buy into the media stuff.
00:35:30
DailySaintsPod
and And that in itself is part the problem.
00:35:37
Zak
But there are going to be conversations that are going to need to be had across that kind of board that are going to be difficult. And it's all of it is going to be difficult and horrible to deal with.
00:35:45
DailySaintsPod
It's going to be difficult because we we know we know that this board and this you know our owners, we personally on this show have accused them of being tone deaf many times, several times, right? Because they come out and do these things.
00:36:03
DailySaintsPod
And... you know if the next and i i really hope that they think about the next thing they do very sensibly, because it's already not a great look to have you know the two statements of the throwaway line of refunds, like, begrudgingly we're refunding just this, and it's like one paragraph line. and then a fully written article about what you want to do if you're coming to see Take That. That's already
Fan Advisory and Club Decisions
00:36:29
DailySaintsPod
not a great look. If the next thing that they do is Tuesday morning, suddenly we get season ticket prices with 5% increase, they need to understand that that in itself is going to have a consequence.
00:36:41
DailySaintsPod
Whereas if they get ahead of it and it just takes a little bit of visibility and a little bit of openness, and and just just ah it doesn't take a lot. Just like even ah like a tweet-length statement saying...
00:36:54
DailySaintsPod
We're dealing with it in due course. These things take time.
00:36:56
Zak
Look, one of the things we'll do tomorrow, I think, is we'll go through the fan advisory board statement, right?
00:36:57
DailySaintsPod
Everyone gets that.
00:37:05
Zak
And the things that they have laid out that they think is a good idea. And we haven't read it in full properly and we didn't really want to come into this episode because this episode will just become about it. We kind of realized, well, because it's come out this afternoon and we'd already sort of planned what we wanted to talk about today.
00:37:14
DailySaintsPod
Uh, yeah.
00:37:21
Zak
thought, well, we'll have a chat about that tomorrow.
00:37:21
DailySaintsPod
We're already 38 minutes in, mate. You throw that in. We've got a three-hour special.
00:37:25
Zak
Yeah, at that point at that point, it becomes too much, but we'll have we'll have a look at what they have to say.
00:37:27
DailySaintsPod
It's not
00:37:29
Zak
and ah It depends. if they my My point here is more around if they respond to that quickly, you know maybe we can work on something. If they just ignore it, the advisory board that they have taken advice from in the past, it says everything you need to know.
00:37:45
Zak
Right.
00:37:45
DailySaintsPod
it's not it's not all lost like the immediate emotional response felt like it was, right? This is very salvageable with the right course of actions and the right set of statements.
00:37:56
DailySaintsPod
You know, especially the fact that with the evidence that we've got come out points to the fact that a lot of the higher-ups didn't know about it for whatever reason. It was just the analytics being left down to the analytics, right? That gives them the plausible enough deniability to handle it correctly in a way that passes on the correct message. ah I don't know if I have the faith that that's what they'll do but but the opportunity is there.
00:38:20
Zak
Yeah, because if they if they need to if they do that, they need to do it sooner rather than later. And they need to give people some hope to go into summer with, as opposed to despair.
00:38:24
DailySaintsPod
Yes.
00:38:30
Zak
And I genuinely do wonder if they're just hoping, right, if we can get to the end of the Champions League final and then the World Cup starts, everyone everyone will just kind of forget. And I just don't think that that's how... I don't think that they understand the impact that this is going to have had across the fan base.
00:38:40
DailySaintsPod
No?
00:38:44
DailySaintsPod
No?
00:38:45
Zak
And if they don't, it says more than you...
00:38:45
DailySaintsPod
100%. Yeah.
00:38:49
Zak
back to, back to tone deaf, right?
00:38:49
DailySaintsPod
And some people... Yeah. Yeah.
00:38:51
Zak
It's going to be like, hey guys, here's a 5% off voucher for level one.
00:38:52
DailySaintsPod
yeah
00:38:55
Zak
It's not, it's not going to cut it. you
00:38:58
DailySaintsPod
Some people will, and some people already have kind of forgiven, forgot, and that's fine. and And some people won't have forgiven or forgot, but will still be, you know, renewing their season and tickets and going with it. and And we will see how it plays out.
Podcast Continuation and Listener Interaction
00:39:14
DailySaintsPod
um I mean, to to try and put the the silver lining spin on it that I always try and mate,
00:39:24
DailySaintsPod
It's going to be a really easy summer for me and you to work out what to talk about every day. um
00:39:30
Zak
so to be to be clear ah To be clear to everybody, I will try and split up with some sort of Greenland content.
00:39:30
DailySaintsPod
We're not going to have...
00:39:41
DailySaintsPod
Yeah, we've got loads.
00:39:41
Zak
That's not what I mean.
00:39:42
DailySaintsPod
to go
00:39:42
Zak
Evergreen.
00:39:43
DailySaintsPod
Yeah, look, we've got...
00:39:44
Zak
Sorry, I know nothing about the League of Football in Greenland, to be clear.
00:39:45
DailySaintsPod
Hey, sorry. Right, look, look, another...
00:39:48
Zak
But let's get it I don't want it to just be... i don't want it to just be hashtag drama alert, right? Constantly ringing the alarm.
00:39:55
DailySaintsPod
Look, no, exactly.
00:39:57
Zak
Because today is just...
00:39:58
DailySaintsPod
Look, another manager search sounds draining and awful, but also it's a fresh opportunity for you to teach me and all of our listeners about 13 new managers. So, um and look, from a purely footballing perspective, if if you took finances out of the game, and God, I wish we could, because we spend far too much time thinking and talking about it, particularly on this show.
00:40:17
Zak
Kitty.
00:40:23
DailySaintsPod
from a footballing perspective, championship season is going to good fun, isn't it? couple of away days, going to be some tasty ones. We get yeah two more South Coast derbies.
00:40:35
DailySaintsPod
We get Middlesbrough.
00:40:35
Zak
We get but we get we get thenathan the Nathan Jones derby times two.
00:40:37
DailySaintsPod
That's going to have some needle. Yeah.
00:40:41
Zak
We get the South Coast times two derby, which to be honest, the only big losers in all of this is Hampshire Constabulary.
00:40:41
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:40:47
Zak
but You were absolutely have now got to put another couple of hundred thousand pounds aside for the budget next year.
00:40:47
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:40:52
DailySaintsPod
Yeah, you got the Spygate Derby.
00:40:55
Zak
you got the Spygate Derby, which like I feel like that.
00:40:58
DailySaintsPod
We'll have a bit Needle.
00:40:59
Zak
At this point, i am I am understanding and noticing the sentiment that I think that some people at this point now have a bigger burning dislike for Middlesbrough fans than they do Pompey fans, which is something like the Great North-South Divide, whatever you want to call it.
00:41:13
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:41:17
DailySaintsPod
quite an impressive feat to have for Middlesbrough to have built up that level of hatred over such a short period of time, to be fair.
00:41:25
Zak
Likewise, they obviously hate us because we bookmarked all of their tweets just in case they lost the player final and everybody unleashed all of those bookmarks earlier.
00:41:26
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:41:31
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:41:35
Zak
So, you know, my favourite shout out to West Ham Central that are getting cooked for all of their tweets.
00:41:35
DailySaintsPod
Yeah. yeah
00:41:42
Zak
Rari, Matty, Fernandez, the beginning of last season. And a lot of our fans went, oh, don't worry, you'll be with us next season. And yeah... Once again, they kept us going last ah last transfer window.
00:41:55
DailySaintsPod
it.
00:41:55
DailySaintsPod
And look, from for my a purely footballing perspective, what a year we're going to have in the championship.
00:41:55
Zak
ah But yeah, it's it's not the end of the world, mate.
00:41:58
Zak
It's just...
00:42:02
DailySaintsPod
We're going to have some fun. we get We don't have to worry about getting absolutely hammered every week and finishing on the lowest points total in history.
00:42:09
Zak
Oh, mate, you see that? We're going to be lining up with Cameron Bragg and...
00:42:10
DailySaintsPod
ah a right and And we only have to finish eighth to get a playoffs next year.
00:42:18
Zak
Jamie Jones. Oh, do you remember when we thought was going to be terrible and now that actually might be pretty good for us?
00:42:24
DailySaintsPod
he was He's out of contract, mate. It was only a seat loan until the end of the season. Yeah.
00:42:28
Zak
yeah I don't know anymore. It's so hard to keep up to date with what players we're going to have and what we don't.
00:42:31
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:42:33
Zak
from from you could You could infer from... Well, I have seen inference from everybody who has put out a statement that they are both definitely in it for the long haul or are on their way out the door entirely based off of the fact that they said, this sucks.
00:42:47
Zak
So...
00:42:47
DailySaintsPod
yeah right Anyone who's reading more into those statements than the statement said ah don't understand media training because no player is ever going to say something like, we go again next season because it's not within their hands.
00:43:04
DailySaintsPod
like You hear stories of clubs selling players who don't want to move because they need the money. So you're just not going to open yourself up to it.
00:43:12
Zak
Shelfield Wednesday, innit?
00:43:13
DailySaintsPod
ah Exactly. But look, it's going to be great. And we've got loads of build-up for it. We've got loads of fun to come. Happy days. We've got a good summer of stuff to talk about.
00:43:22
Zak
Yep.
00:43:24
Zak
We do.
00:43:24
DailySaintsPod
Loads of content to come. And it's nice to be back at it, mate, now that the the dust has at least settled a bit.
00:43:31
Zak
the I don't whether we'll do every single day of the summer, considering what we did originally was say we're going to go on break for the foreseeable, and what we did was come back three days later.
00:43:34
DailySaintsPod
No.
00:43:40
Zak
LAUGHTER
00:43:42
DailySaintsPod
I was in, mate. I mean, that is...
00:43:43
Zak
There might be a few weekends, extra long weekends from recording here and there where we spend it in a pub and we can't record.
00:43:47
DailySaintsPod
why isn't it That an eternity off for us, mate. And I think that you and I probably both come to the realisation that we still spend just as much time talking about this.
00:43:52
Zak
True, true, true.
00:43:58
DailySaintsPod
We just didn't record it.
00:43:58
Zak
Oh, no. um'm I'm going to have a social media blackout this weekend and just, like, pay no attention to football and watch... Instead, watching both playoff finals, pretty much all of the Premier League games that I could today. And when I've just realised that maybe that's not how I live my life.
00:44:17
Zak
So, yeah.
00:44:17
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:44:18
Zak
No, you're right, mate.
00:44:18
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:44:20
Zak
So, yeah. I think we'll be back tomorrow to talk about the fan advisory board's sort of comments. And if... maybe, maybe by the time we record tomorrow on the bank holiday Monday, there will be some information out there that the club have put out.
00:44:38
Zak
I don't think so, though.
00:44:38
DailySaintsPod
Maybe. they Don't hold your breath. Have a look, mate. Look.
00:44:42
Zak
I feel like they're going to all have the weekend off at the very least.
00:44:44
DailySaintsPod
to finish off on like the final piece of positivity I can possibly muster it didn't even take four days for us to no longer be the most hated club in England because that now goes to Everland because they didn't relegate Spurs right so happy days yeah
00:44:48
Zak
Sure.
00:44:58
Zak
Mate, it could have also technically just gone to Arsenal for winning the league. Like... yeah
00:45:04
DailySaintsPod
Exactly. Exactly. Right. Look, that is all we've got time for. In the meantime, look, hit us up with your thoughts and feelings because we are still open to hearing them all and group therapy is going to be the one this summer. We are Daily Saints pod absolutely everywhere. TikTok, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, Blue Sky. Hit us up, let us know and while you're there, why not give us a like and a subscribe? ah Like Zach said,
00:45:30
Zak
Shout out to you all.
00:45:31
DailySaintsPod
We will be back tomorrow to talk about the Fan Advisory Board.
00:45:31
Zak
Shout out
00:45:33
DailySaintsPod
But until then, everybody, have a wonderful day. We will see you then.
00:45:51
Zak
to you all.