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Episode 447: Keep, Bench, Sell PART 3!
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Southampton – We conclude the week with our final part of Keep, Bench, Sell!
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Introduction and Episode Overview
00:00:13
DailySaintsPod
Hello and welcome back to the Daily Saints pod episode 447. My name is Greg. As always today joined by my good friend and wonderful co-host Zach. Mate, how are you doing?
00:00:29
Zak
Good morning, good afternoon, good evening. Yeah, still hot.
00:00:33
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:00:33
Zak
Still motored away. yeah, other than that, mate. Yeah, love and love.
00:00:39
DailySaintsPod
Yeah,
Mini-Series Conclusion: Keeps Our Bench Part 3
00:00:39
DailySaintsPod
indeed. Ploughing on ahead with Keeps Our Bench Part 3.
00:00:45
Zak
We should have it wrapped after this, I hope.
00:00:46
DailySaintsPod
the conclusive part of of the mini-series we've done here. Moving up to some some interesting parts of the pitch, some interesting interesting players, and I'm just going to smash straight into it.
00:01:00
DailySaintsPod
So we're better to start with the rest of our list than the easiest answer going.
Leo Sienza's Future: Retain or Release?
00:01:06
DailySaintsPod
Leo Sienza.
00:01:06
Zak
Yes.
00:01:07
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:01:09
Zak
Sorry. Keep. Keep. That's the answer.
00:01:12
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:01:12
Zak
Oh.
00:01:13
DailySaintsPod
Keep, hundreds of keep, keep forever.
00:01:13
Zak
a
00:01:16
DailySaintsPod
Yeah. Not even for £300 million pounds do we want to see Leo go. That's where I'm at.
00:01:21
Zak
No. i worry i I'm just worried it'll be another Matty Fernandez situation. I'm worried. If all people are in West Ham, they seem to be circling like like the vultures that they are at the moment around our team again.
00:01:29
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:01:34
DailySaintsPod
I've already seen him linked to Man United and Spurs. So not exactly steps up, though, are they?
00:01:38
Zak
Good. Perfect.
00:01:41
DailySaintsPod
Just more relegation battles. All right.
00:01:44
Zak
Oh, yeah. Come on. Man, you know it hasn't been that bad this year.
00:01:49
DailySaintsPod
I mean, talk to me when that bloke gets a haircut. Right.
Tom Fellows: Untapped Potential?
00:01:54
Zak
Carry on, sorry.
00:01:54
DailySaintsPod
Right, next up, Tom Fellows. A bit of a mixed bag season for him, I think, but for me, keep.
00:02:02
Zak
You're always going to say keep because because you're Baggies fan, secretly, behind scenes. That's not true. You're just a family. that You have an affinity and more of an affinity to him because of how well he played at the Baggies.
00:02:15
Zak
And I remember that.
00:02:15
DailySaintsPod
Hmm.
00:02:17
Zak
And the problem was is that at one point you cursed him by saying he was going to score, and he just never has. And I think that he is a nuisance, and he provides a something different.
00:02:21
DailySaintsPod
Hmm.
00:02:28
Zak
He does really need to work on that part of his game that means that he can actually shoot at the goal and get it, you know, in the back of the net.
00:02:33
DailySaintsPod
Yeah. 100%. Yeah.
00:02:35
Zak
Because that's pretty much one of the only things that Matske really has above him, to be perfectly honest. That and a little bit of physicality. But yeah, I would keep him, obviously. Like, you know, what we we spent quite a bit of money on him.
00:02:48
Zak
I think that he's not quite coming to his prime yet. And I think having another season in the Championship will actually probably do some good.
00:02:54
DailySaintsPod
Yeah, I agree with that. I think that he's kind of blessed that he brings enough to the table to almost excuse some of that poor finishing sometimes. You know, he stepped in with huge amounts of assists this season and lots of chances created. Yeah, as a fullback, you just wouldn't want to play against him at all, ever. You you know, you're in for a bad day.
00:03:16
DailySaintsPod
And that's exactly what we like. But you're right, Bershaw, Bits that he could do with that into his game for sure. But yeah, for me, keep. There's definitely the quality in there as well. And you're right, I just don't think we've quite seen the the best of him yet in a Saints shirt. But it's there. It'll come. I hope.
00:03:37
DailySaintsPod
Right.
Caspi Andler: Returning to Germany?
00:03:38
DailySaintsPod
Next up, Caspi Andler. An interesting interesting one because I suspect that the actual answer of of what happens this summer is going to be different than then what from an ideal perspective we'd want because I think the the obvious answer is we'd keep him because he's been brilliant but i think the actual answer is that for several reasons not least personal and and not promotion he's he's probably going back to Germany right?
00:03:55
Zak
Yeah.
00:04:05
Zak
Yeah, you you were saying that doesn't his other half doesn't want to move to the UK or something like that. I don't know.
00:04:11
DailySaintsPod
Yeah, she's I think she's quite a successful...
00:04:12
Zak
it's It's difficult because a lot of this is a tabloid.
00:04:15
DailySaintsPod
I think she's quite a successful... I don't know if it's like a a social media or an actual media like personality out there. And so she didn't move over with him.
00:04:26
DailySaintsPod
But yeah, it there was an interview with him some point quite a bit earlier in the season where you know that was part of the reason that he was sort struggling to settle and was you know quite homesick.
00:04:42
DailySaintsPod
Yeah, she's she's a boxer, so she has a boxing career out there and and does some media stuff.
00:04:43
Zak
think
00:04:46
Zak
I think where we haven't made it into the Premier League for him, I wonder if it justifies him not having to stay. I think if we'd gone up, it'd be a different question.
00:04:57
Zak
But yeah I think he's been really, really good. He had some absolute like baller quality, especially in the f FA Cup semi-final. But I think it's just an unfortunate reality that
00:05:12
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:05:12
Zak
you know, and he's probably going to leave us in the summer. And he's, he's the one where like the rumors were floating around in January, even before July.
00:05:14
DailySaintsPod
that's the thing, right?
00:05:20
DailySaintsPod
Yeah. Well, that's the thing, right? Because if you go on and win promotion and get the earn the opportunity to play in the Premier League with that team, then you're probably more willing to suffer some of the like personal hardship that you're you're making, right?
00:05:20
Zak
Right.
00:05:34
DailySaintsPod
That's the sacrifice that you're making to play for that. Whereas another year in the Championship probably isn't worth that level of personal sacrifice, of I think, in this instance. It's certainly what a reason's situation.
00:05:45
Zak
away to Lincoln Town is different to playing in the Bundesliga mate, I think is where where I'm at, you know.
00:05:47
DailySaintsPod
and but yeah Yeah. But also, he's going to have done made a good enough show of himself for us that I suspect the Bundesliga teams will be tripping over themselves to get hold of him.
00:05:59
Zak
Yeah.
00:06:02
DailySaintsPod
So, yeah.
00:06:02
Zak
I agree.
00:06:04
DailySaintsPod
It's a shame because I think, like i say, in my deal world, I would absolutely keep him because especially in this these last run of games, he really like stepped up and to an even higher level than the already...
00:06:16
DailySaintsPod
good level that he was at, to be honest. been Was exceptional in the middle of the park. And it's a bit sad. I would love to see him stay on. Just don't think that's going to be the way it goes.
Sammy Odozie: Development and Retention?
00:06:29
DailySaintsPod
Right, mate. Next up, Sammy Odozie. Interesting season for him.
00:06:34
Zak
Whoa. No idea why he didn't play. Especially where he's actively now come out and said he's been available all season and eventually he got reintegrated back into the squad under Tonda when he he was all right in preseason.
00:06:49
Zak
and kind of expected him and then we kind of thought he'd go out on loan. And then January we kind of also thought he'd go out again. And I don't know if that was... I feel like your maybe conversation around wages was part of it because obviously he was signed when we were in the Premier League.
00:07:01
DailySaintsPod
e
00:07:05
Zak
the the first time, right?
00:07:05
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:07:06
Zak
And I feel that they're...
00:07:07
DailySaintsPod
which Which was fine until the point of when the window's closed, if you're still paying those wages anyway, you might as well put it to use. often I don't understand.
00:07:13
Zak
Yeah, which is seemingly what they wanted to do, but don't understand why they shouldn't do that from the beginning season.
00:07:14
DailySaintsPod
Hmm.
00:07:20
Zak
he was one of the first players to come put statement out, which I found very interesting, just because, you know... And part of that was also, you know, on to next season.
00:07:30
Zak
And I think that there's a really good player in there. And we've we've said we really wish we saw more of the game of, you know, him finishing his chances. I think that if, for example, the the terrible tragedy of Leo going, I think that it would be cushioned a little bit if a dozy stayed. And I know that sounds ludicrous because i don't think that we're going to be able to replace Leo. But I do think that He's had a hard rap for not really any of his own fault because whenever he's come on, like i was I still maintain that when he first came on after not playing for like six, seven months, he was incredibly impressive for for not having played that amount of time.
00:07:59
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:08:09
DailySaintsPod
Yeah, absolutely.
00:08:10
Zak
It wasn't like when we saw Joe Eribo not play for six months, come on and struggle.
00:08:13
DailySaintsPod
He's clearly he'd clearly made an effort to keep himself sharp and keep himself ready. And for me, he he has the potential to be a really important, really good player.
00:08:25
DailySaintsPod
and We've probably not seen the full extent of that yet in a Saints shirt, to be honest.
00:08:29
Zak
No, not even slightly.
00:08:31
DailySaintsPod
But that doesn't mean that can't be unlocked and isn't there. We've seen that he is has brilliant moments. I will not forget the assist that he got at West Brom.
00:08:42
DailySaintsPod
uh, to, to, you know, but at that point in the season, absolutely essential, uh, moment of the game moment of the season. almost like a turning point, right. For, for where we pushed on to rest of the season. He, he has that quality in him and, uh, yeah, I agree. Keep and hope that that develops and, and can add those parts to his game that, that aren't quite as, as polished yet.
00:09:09
DailySaintsPod
hope I hope so, yeah. From from a purely footballing perspective, no no other sort of actions to take in or to take into account. yeah and No reason for me that we shouldn't be keeping him and making him a a key player in the squad.
00:09:24
DailySaintsPod
Hopefully as someone that can come on after Leo has played for 60 minutes and and be another problem for a fullback that isn't going to able face.
00:09:33
Zak
Or even so, if he if he grows in enough to be able to be a starter, right? Because that's the other thing is that, you know, I don't know if he's going to want to spend his entire career being one of those 60, you know, 30-minute players. you you've seen You've seen, like, don't know there was an article, good article a while ago, i think it was might have been BBC Sport, there was, like, the rise of, like, the 60-minute player, right? Where, like, there were about half of the players for, like, Chelsea's youth team never played a full nightie. Yeah.
00:10:00
Zak
that whole career. So
00:10:02
DailySaintsPod
Well, that's because that's a side effect of these changes of we've got so many substitutions available now.
00:10:08
Zak
yeah, no, I know, but I,
00:10:08
DailySaintsPod
it's goingnna That's going to be the way is. That's how you push the boundary to... We talked we talked on the show before about like at this level, it's the fine margins and the the small percentage gains that count even more.
00:10:21
DailySaintsPod
And and that's that's what it is, right? It's easier to push yourself harder for 60 minutes and bring on fresh legs for 30. it's the way modern football's going, whether you like it or not, unfortunately.
00:10:30
Zak
Yeah, i just
00:10:34
Zak
I just hope that you know he manages to get a chance to do that, I guess. That would be that would be what I hope for him. But yeah, i would I would either keep him or at the very least keep him on the bench.
00:10:45
Zak
I i don't really want to see him go after the performances he's put in.
00:10:46
DailySaintsPod
Hmm.
00:10:49
Zak
i also wouldn't be surprised, though, considering how he's kind of been pushed about and, as we know...
00:10:54
DailySaintsPod
been tumultuous.
00:10:56
Zak
yeah but then it's so...
00:10:56
DailySaintsPod
been He's been a victim of the the changing tides, changing managers, changing circumstances.
00:11:01
Zak
So's the club, mate.
00:11:03
DailySaintsPod
Yeah, it's been a crazy one. Right, next up, Shea Charles.
Shea Charles: Financial Stability and Importance
00:11:10
Zak
Well, he's scored our most vital goals, but I have already seen him linked to replace Casemiro at Manchester United.
00:11:11
DailySaintsPod
No-brainer, really. Keep in it, if we can. Hmm.
00:11:18
Zak
So that shows you how widely, you know, he's seen as a great player, right? And again, like, if you just look at any of the goals he scored this season, they've just been crucially, crucially important.
00:11:31
Zak
Like, you know, the the winner at Leicester is definitely, you know, up there, like, won the goals at, you know, Oxford's,
00:11:34
DailySaintsPod
Yep.
00:11:40
Zak
managing to just about, well, don't really want to talk about the the the semi-final playoff anymore, to be perfectly honest, but that would have been vitally important.
00:11:48
DailySaintsPod
No, but was important at the time.
00:11:50
Zak
we didn't He didn't know that at the time it was going to get chucked out. So for me, yeah, I'd love to i'd love to keep him. I genuinely think we all struggle because I think if somebody comes in with a big enough offer, I think we're just going to accept it because we're not really going to have much of a choice with the financial troubles we've got.
00:12:04
DailySaintsPod
yeah.
00:12:08
Zak
as long as he gets to go somewhere that is considered a step up, right? Like if he just sidesteps to like another championship club, I don't know how I'd feel about that.
00:12:14
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:12:19
Zak
If he gets so a shot at like you know a much bigger team, fair enough. I also think that he's... Not as young as someone like Dibbling when he moves to Everton for it to not really quite kick into gear yet.
00:12:33
Zak
I think that he is old enough now and matured enough as a player to probably step into the very least a mid-table-sized team as a starter and maybe get a chance at Man U or somewhere like that.
00:12:48
Zak
But yeah, either way, absolutely fantastic player.
00:12:48
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:12:51
Zak
And in the... I hope we keep him is where I'm at. I'm just preparing for the loss of at least some of the players, right?
00:13:01
DailySaintsPod
yeah that's That's it, right? This is the the hard part about this episode is that when we did this last season, there was a lot more sell. That's not been the case this year. but unfortunately, we are are going to be seeing some of these players that we don't want to go, go and that is the unfortunate situation we found ourselves in.
00:13:23
DailySaintsPod
Right, next up, Matski. Keep.
00:13:29
Zak
I think you know the answer for that. i've i Ever since I did the profile on Matsky, umve I've been really hoping he would go on and kick into gear this season. I didn't really get much opportunities and under Stil. Even though he scored in one of the games, think it was against Northampton though, so But, you know, then he finally kind of managed to come in and take his chances and was deployed in a position we never really expected him to be in. But he's played pretty well there.
00:13:56
Zak
He's got the physicality in his game that Fellows doesn't quite. And he's also willing to take on a long shot from anywhere. And a couple of times that's worked out. So, yeah, I'd keep him mainly for the fact that I don't think that anyone else really...
00:14:10
Zak
is going to come in from at this point i don't think he's i think he's done well enough to solidify his place in our team i don't think that he's brought enough notice that the p like you know characters like the ocns i have however that also means that i wouldn't be surprised if some sort of bundesliga team swoops in for five million and takes him because that is also how life works but i think with the the setup of our team and the potential ins and outs, I think it would be a no-brainer in my mind to keep him.
00:14:40
Zak
But I'm aware of my biases, put it that way.
00:14:43
DailySaintsPod
Yeah, I agree. I think he's been a very valuable player. I think the the real answer in this format is probably, for me, Bench, with the hope that he will grow into those areas that he's not quite managed to hit the field running on this time and and become one of those key starting players. But but you're right. In that latter part of the season, I think I personally would have been starting him over Tom Fellows in some of the games. So,
00:15:08
DailySaintsPod
yeah keep for me. No brainer. Right. Next up on the list. Ariel Romeo.
00:15:15
Zak
Hmm. i I don't think we're going to renew his contract, to put it that way. it's it's no I would love to see him stay on as a staff member.
00:15:21
DailySaintsPod
Not as a player. Yeah.
00:15:23
Zak
Yeah, I'd love to see him you know do some work, you know, with coaching, with whatever happens in the future. Clearly, that was one of the main reasons they brought him in. I also think that they were just trying to quell fan rebellion by bringing somebody in. There was a bit of a crisis in that midfield when he was brought in because of injuries, but also when he then looked to our youth team and brought in, you know, a man we're going to talk about later in Cameron Bragg. But yeah, so it it was that was very heart signing, not head.
00:15:53
Zak
I worry how much he's been paid kind of just be there. But at the same time, you can't not love Oriu Romelu. So i would sell him as a player, keep him as a snarf member.
00:16:04
DailySaintsPod
think mate that it's I think, that it's no coincidence for me that the mental resilience and mentality of this team and the confidence that came through increased after we brought him in.
00:16:06
Zak
watch
00:16:22
DailySaintsPod
I'm not saying that it was entirely down to him.
00:16:23
Zak
Thank you.
00:16:27
DailySaintsPod
That's not what I'm saying. But I think that the presence he has on the training pitch in the dressing room is important to that. We talked. We were having conversations in the start of the season about who are the leaders in the locker room. like They just don't have it. They're all just like individuals. But he is a leader.
00:16:50
DailySaintsPod
And I think that his impact will have been felt that way. i don't think it's likely that we renew him on a playing basis. Like you say, I hope that we see him stay around at the club. So...
00:17:02
DailySaintsPod
so I think the real answer is probably not any of the above for keep, sell, bench. I think it's retire gracefully, come into the club, fold as staff and and go that route.
00:17:17
DailySaintsPod
Maybe join Adam Lallana's team in the under-21s. What a formidable coaching duo that that has written all over it, right?
00:17:25
Zak
For sure, for sure. Yeah, I'm in full agreement with that, mate. That sounds good.
00:17:29
DailySaintsPod
Right, next up, from one end of the career ladder to the other, Jay Robinson.
00:17:36
Zak
who es been He's had a difficult season because he was a favourite underweight still and was one of those ones where we kept talking about how much better the team looked with him early on.
00:17:47
Zak
And then he sort of picked up an injury. Tonda came in. You know, we started playing Azaz and Sienza over him and then that was that was kind of it, really. I've not really seen him since.
00:17:57
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:17:58
Zak
I think he had about a couple of off-the-bench appearances for two or three minutes here and there.
00:18:02
DailySaintsPod
He then had another injury after that, I think. Right. So he kind of been, been broken apart.
00:18:05
Zak
Yeah. Yeah. think it's I think it's more of a he he suffered the the consequences of form and suffered from being labelled like the next Tyler Dibbling, where we
00:18:18
DailySaintsPod
Hmm.
Jay Robinson: Overcoming Challenges
00:18:18
Zak
had Dibbling last season.
00:18:19
Zak
And Peter, he he played he started, you know, I think he came on like right at the end, right under Rusk in the Premier League season. And then...
00:18:26
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:18:27
Zak
then kind of had that moniker thrown around him and then kind of was being started in a lot of positions. But we spent a lot of money on these these players. And then obviously before they they kind of realised the quality that Leo had, he was being started quite a lot.
00:18:40
Zak
And then, yeah, I think he's just a victim of circumstance, to be perfectly honest, more than anything else.
00:18:43
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:18:44
Zak
I think we should keep it. I think we should continue to develop him and go from there. But I also wouldn't be surprised if he ends up going out on loan somewhere, if i'm totally honest.
00:18:52
DailySaintsPod
you know I think i I agree with that completely. look set you Like you say, circumstance and injury and and the injury an unfortunate time because then when he was looking to get back in, you know like you say, trying to take the likes of Fellows and Siena and Azaz out of the team to play him was just not ever really going be viable. Yeah.
00:19:11
DailySaintsPod
I think there's a lot of promise in Jay.
00:19:16
DailySaintsPod
There are still parts of his game that could use some work. Obviously, he's only like 18. eighteen it's It's crazy. A huge prospect for me. But you're right. He'll either be benched because he'll stay in the fold and continue to develop and and get to come in and play the part yeah on occasion or he'll be out on loan. I think the the problem with him for me is that he he was always better in games where he started. He really struggled to make an impact when he was coming on off the bench. Yeah.
00:19:52
DailySaintsPod
where where really in the in the current sort of setup and how I see it playing out, he is more likely to be in a position to be coming on off of the bench rather than starting games. So so if he can step that up and start making that same impact off the bench that he has in games that he was starting, then great, happy days for me.
00:20:13
DailySaintsPod
But yeah, continue to develop with us either by keep or loan would be my My option two. Some more youngsters. Moses Cissé.
00:20:24
DailySaintsPod
Saw him a bit at the start of the season and I think mostly in pre-season, right?
00:20:27
Zak
Yeah, I don't really know what happened, but also at the same time, when you look at that position, it's going to be hard for anybody to get into that position at the moment.
00:20:33
DailySaintsPod
We're really strong. Yeah.
00:20:36
Zak
like you know We were talking about how we wouldn't mind any of the players we had to play there. We've maybe questioned Romelu, but once they bring Romelu in as well, you know how are you going to dislodge them?
00:20:45
DailySaintsPod
Hmm.
00:20:46
Zak
you know i'd say To be fair, I could have said the same about Cam Bragg, but also when Cam Bragg's been on, he's been exceptional, and maybe he's just not really had the chances yet. I feel like, you know, obviously, Keepe, he's still a youngster, and we'll just have to see how his development pans out. But that's pretty much all I've got to say on the matter.
00:21:03
DailySaintsPod
yeah I agree from from what very little we saw enough promise there to be a keep definitely but but another one of these ones that there'll be some development to take place there'll be coming through potentially, you know, as and when that that opportunity presents.
Cam Bragg: Midfield Essential
00:21:20
DailySaintsPod
Yeah, next on the list, you previously just mentioned him, Cam Bragg.
00:21:25
DailySaintsPod
I think that he was a proper breath of fresh air this season. in I mean, you think back to the first time we saw him this season in the like absolutely shambolic, didn't have enough players travel with us, he had to come on and start without a number on his shirt.
00:21:42
Zak
Yeah, like being dragged out.
00:21:43
Zak
He was the only player that was nearby was what we found out, right?
00:21:44
DailySaintsPod
Just
00:21:47
Zak
And then being put to the sword.
00:21:47
DailySaintsPod
absolute insanity, which, to be honest, may be as fitting a statement on the level of organisation and communication of the club based on what we're experiencing at the moment, right?
00:22:02
Zak
what Not that we're bitter, by the way, just throwing out there.
00:22:06
DailySaintsPod
just just Just look, you piece all of these things together and it it paints a picture and you've got to establish that.
00:22:06
Zak
Yeah.
00:22:12
Zak
does paint it does paint a narrative that unfortunately as much as we try and ignore it and hope it goes away, it doesn't.
00:22:13
DailySaintsPod
But... m
00:22:18
Zak
So yeah, no, i I think you're right, he's been a breath of fresh air. I think he's been fantastic in nearly every game he's played in. You know, it was bold starting him at Wembley, but he did a really good account of himself.
00:22:31
Zak
just think
00:22:32
DailySaintsPod
yeah.
00:22:33
Zak
He's another one of the, I think, gems that is going to come through our development pipeline. right And I think that we've still got a lot more to come from him. And if the unfortunate future happens where we lose more players than we would like, I think that we are blessed to have someone that can step into that midfield role in him is where I'm at.
00:22:56
DailySaintsPod
Absolutely. Keep, 100% for me. I think that he is, like say, going to become an essential part of art that midfield for us. Whether that's this season or in the years to come, I guess time will tell. But yeah, 100% keep.
00:23:14
DailySaintsPod
Just plays with a level of football maturity that's so beyond his years. I really enjoy watching him play. Right, another youngster in that middle of the park region, Barnaby Williams, we saw a couple of times in the middle of the season.
00:23:30
DailySaintsPod
I think another one, right, who maybe would have seen more of if the strength in that middle of the park wasn't so depth, wasn't so so flagrant, bert but good enough in his performances to to warrant a keep, I think.
00:23:47
Zak
Yeah, no, I agree. it's It's just one of those things where, you know, trying to get spaces in our team at the moment is tight.
00:23:56
DailySaintsPod
Yeah. Nice position to be in.
00:23:59
Zak
Yes, to be clear.
00:23:59
DailySaintsPod
Like I say, the the contrast of these these keep bench sale episodes to last season is is notable in in opinion, for sure.
00:24:08
Zak
Yeah, it was it was it was sell everybody, right?
00:24:10
Zak
it was like It was like liquidate the entirety of the club and then build a new squad and we did.
00:24:10
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:24:13
DailySaintsPod
Yeah. Couldn't care less. Sell them. Don't care. Was pretty much the response to everyone. Right next up on the list, almost in a throwback to that, mate. Aribo. Yeah.
00:24:25
Zak
I don't know, man. he had his own song. he he really... He has really struggled. He's always been a hot and cold player and genuinely hot and cold because when he's been on a hot streak, it's been great.
00:24:37
Zak
He saw some of his best football under a manager who we all kind of... agree was a little bit nuts, right? Who then left and then went to Atalanta, brought Suleyman with him got fired again. i And then re everybody didn't really get a chance. Everybody thought, the reason that we're still struggling is because he's not brought him in. And everyone's like, oh, if we just bring him on, it will resolve all the problems. And we brought him on. And looked like he just forgot he was a footballer for a little bit, right?
00:25:07
DailySaintsPod
Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:07
Zak
And, you know, considering he was supposed to be one one of our biggest earners as well, baffling. And I don't know if that's necessarily true.
00:25:14
DailySaintsPod
yeah
00:25:16
Zak
I don't know what was going on behind the scenes. I think that losing his core social group is probably going to have an effect on you regardless. I think not really being wanted by the any of the managers he's played under this season is also going to affect him.
00:25:30
Zak
And then obviously goes out on loan to Leicester where they go, why have we got this guy on loan as one of our... I think they ended up getting another transfer for the week after, but he was their only piece of business.
00:25:42
Zak
And everyone seemed baffled because it was a position they didn't really need him in. And then he started most of his games on the bench.
00:25:49
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:25:49
Zak
And I just think that he needs to go somewhere and rebuild his career. And I think that he has a massive opportunity to do that. And I hope that he does. But, you know, we'll always have the memories and the songs and the goals and the jokes around him playing in every position apart from goalkeeper.
00:25:58
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:26:06
Zak
But at the same time, when something comes to an end, sometimes it comes to a natural conclusion.
00:26:06
DailySaintsPod
Mm.
00:26:10
Zak
I think his time with us has unfortunately come to a natural conclusion without, you know, you don't, not every player gets to have a good bye, right? Unfortunately, that's just the case. and I think that's that's where I'm at with the rebuy.
00:26:22
DailySaintsPod
I think maybe I've got a controversial take on this.
00:26:24
Zak
sure
00:26:26
DailySaintsPod
Just to narrow it down. I think that if I take a step back and assess Eribo's time at the club on the whole, I think that he was a very average, versatile player who got carried by Goodson.
00:26:42
DailySaintsPod
I think that he had moments, sure, of really good moments. And there was that moment in the Russell Martin season where he was both our top goal scorer and our hot top centre-back. Can't dispute that.
00:26:52
DailySaintsPod
But I just think he was never brilliant for us. He was he had good moments. But, yeah, I don't know.
00:27:05
Zak
i I wonder if he regrets leaving Rangers.
00:27:05
DailySaintsPod
Just like you say, time has elapsed.
00:27:08
Zak
That's where I'm at. Because, you know, scoring Europa League and and having a big...
00:27:09
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:27:13
Zak
I think that, yeah, I genuinely am sort of feel for him in a way that, as savage as it sounds, it's not that far off the mark, mate, in my opinion.
00:27:24
DailySaintsPod
Yeah. Indeed. and And look, I talked about when we talk about Will Smallbone in in previous episodes, right? We talked about...
00:27:35
DailySaintsPod
the versatility of him and how he was like a versatile player, Jack of all trades, which made he was not exceptional any of them, which means it doesn't really fit into this system where there are so many good players in their specific positions. And I think Carribo suffers the same thing where he was clearly a versatile player because, like say, literally played everywhere for us except in goal.
00:28:00
DailySaintsPod
But... Because of that, I think it's it's okay to be good at all of the positions and not great at any of them. But in in the way we're at at the moment and the fine margins we're needing to push, who are you putting...
00:28:15
Zak
Not if we're trying to win promotion.
00:28:17
DailySaintsPod
Yeah, exactly.
00:28:18
Zak
Do
00:28:19
DailySaintsPod
Yeah. So yeah, agree completely. Right, we move on to the forwards.
00:28:27
Zak
we want to say anything quickly on SmallPone or not?
00:28:27
DailySaintsPod
Last few names.
00:28:37
Zak
We did.
00:28:40
DailySaintsPod
it is a shame because I really like Will Smallbone, but I don't see him fitting into the mold, uh, for, for the same reason as Reba, right?
00:28:47
Zak
Nice.
00:28:49
DailySaintsPod
He's a very versatile player, uh, real utility in in those positions, but it's just not what we need if we're going to be pushing on to get promotion. And I hope that he finds a good home to play his trade. But yeah, I don't know. I'm sure you you agree.
00:29:10
Zak
basically Yeah, It's the same, right? Like, I'll always be thankful for his time, especially that Russell Martin season. But I think he did, got you as I pointed out before, I think he got scapegoated a lot in the Premier League season.
00:29:22
Zak
But also, you know, when...
00:29:22
DailySaintsPod
Hmm.
00:29:25
Zak
with the injuries that he suffered this season and the fact that his contract's expiring, I don't really see where he could fall into place here unless he ends up on the bench if we end up selling our entire midfield.
00:29:37
Zak
That's the only way I could think. But with with people like Cissé and Bragg and Barnaby Williams coming through, don't know if it's worth... keeping him for other than sentimental reasons and if we're already doing that with Romeu let's not do it too much right we did it with Lana as well and that turned out to be whilst great from a staffing perspective you kind of forget he was technically a player during that season with Russell Martin in the Premier League because you know
00:29:55
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:30:00
DailySaintsPod
Hmm.
00:30:04
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:30:07
Zak
other than trying to raise the standards, that was kind of, you know, being a leader on the pitch was all he could do. And unfortunately, yeah.
00:30:12
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:30:14
Zak
So wherever he tries to trade in the future, a fair play. but I don't think it's going to be with us personally.
00:30:18
DailySaintsPod
Yeah. Agree. no No bitterness towards it. Just just not part of the plan I see. falling up, unfortunately. Right, now moving on to the forwards, mate.
Kyle Lahren: Exceeding Expectations
00:30:28
DailySaintsPod
Last few. Kyle Lahren.
00:30:31
DailySaintsPod
Absolutely no-brainer for me. Keep, especially in the Championship.
00:30:35
Zak
Yep.
00:30:37
DailySaintsPod
Just sees he's going to be doing the same things he did last season, and scoring goals in important moments for fun.
00:30:40
Zak
Yep. The absolute opposite of what everybody thought would happen with him, including ourselves, right?
00:30:49
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:30:49
Zak
We were all baffled by, we thought it was terrible, we thought it was a silly decision. You know, everybody who supports the Canada national team told us that it would be ridiculous and we'd regret it and that he can't hit a barn And Then he scored in his debut and that was all I needed.
00:31:07
Zak
And then since then has continued to score goals. And if you know, with, I think for his team, Majorca have now dropped down into, dropped down out of La Liga, which if that's the case, you know, what we probably should definitely want to keep him.
00:31:09
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:31:20
DailySaintsPod
i think I think it was an option to buy that became an obligation if we went up. But the option to buy even staying down is like... pennies It's like three and a half million. just an absolute no-brainer.
00:31:32
DailySaintsPod
Like, genuinely almost paid for itself in just the goals he scored last season in crucial moments.
00:31:37
Zak
Yeah.
00:31:39
DailySaintsPod
And like, sure, none of his goals world-class, but for how many years have we been shouting out just like a natural goal scorer? Like goal scorer who can just put one in.
00:31:54
DailySaintsPod
It's great. Everything that we wanted. and genuinely, like a genuine question mark over parts of the second part of the season about who was actually first choice striker, him or Ross Stewart. And and yeah the fact, you know, we know that when he came to us, there were question marks over his fitness because he'd not played a lot, but he really got himself into into good shape with us as well. Like properly match fit. I had no concerns about him playing like 90 plus minutes. So,
00:32:21
DailySaintsPod
Yeah, absolute keep.
00:32:22
Zak
But fair play to him, because when he first started, you could see that he hadn't played regularly and then quickly got up to speed.
00:32:27
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:32:30
DailySaintsPod
Yeah. And and of as we have discussed throughout this, not not a skill that everybody is able to to do.
00:32:30
Zak
Very, very quickly.
00:32:38
Zak
Correct.
00:32:39
DailySaintsPod
so So impressive when it does happen. Right, next up on the list, Ross Stewart.
Ross Stewart: Impact Post-Injury?
00:32:45
DailySaintsPod
Obviously, Scotland call up going to the World Cup.
00:32:48
DailySaintsPod
Fair play to him. Yeah.
00:32:50
Zak
I think it's more of a risk than with other players because of the injury record. But if, for example, he never gets injured again, and hypothetically, and we re-signed him for, like I don't know, another year, why not?
00:33:02
Zak
Because he scores goals and he has been proven to do that this season since being fit again. He actually is what I would consider to be the downfall of Will Steele because him getting injured when he just kind of fell into goal-scoring form probably is one of the things that then pushed Will Steele out.
00:33:20
DailySaintsPod
hundreds then
00:33:25
Zak
I still think probably mid-table to give all of the tondering people more ammunition. But, you know, it's it's one of those things where my head, if he can stay fit,
00:33:37
Zak
and he has a good World Cup, you know, why not? My big worry, and I know this is not, I know he's a human being, so I don't want just be like talking about it to that extent, but my big worry is goes away with Scotland, picks up an injury on like match two, that injury is like season long, right?
00:33:56
Zak
And then at that point, that'll be like the day after we've re-signed him for two years, because that's just how the universe works.
00:33:56
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:34:03
Zak
But in an ideal world, he stays fit. We re-sign him for another a year. But if he decided to move on, I also wouldn't be too surprised. But I'd like to think that, considering how much we've looked after him since his you know since he joined, that you know would'd get we'd get something back.
00:34:18
Zak
And I don't mean that in an extent that I think that he doesn't care about the club. But also, all of the players are currently in a position where if they turned around and went, I don't want to re-sign with Southampton, I can't really blame them.
00:34:22
DailySaintsPod
Hmm.
00:34:30
Zak
LAUGHTER
00:34:32
DailySaintsPod
yeah it's Yeah, it's a hard, hard thing to to get through and deal with right after all of the the stuff. But yeah, look, chipped in with with eight goals this season.
00:34:46
DailySaintsPod
Just, just like yeah, its to me, it's a no-brainer. Even if he is going to fight injury, you just you you know that that's the risk you're taking with him. But...
00:34:57
DailySaintsPod
When he is there, he's going to be good. Obviously, on top of that, we're going to need to get and bed in a striker that there isn't him or Laren to look took forward and look to the future.
00:35:12
DailySaintsPod
So, but you've, you've got to know that coming into the season and and be able to do that as part of the game plan. So yeah, for me, keep definitely next up on the list, Cameron Archer.
00:35:28
Zak
Difficult one because he put in some, he really stepped up towards the end of the season and put on some key contributions. But also I think that he is not going to want to spend his entire career on the bench. And I think that that's where he's going to remain if he stays here.
00:35:41
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:35:41
Zak
I don't think that he's going to dislodge anybody. I think the other problems that he's also had is that a couple of the times he's been given the opportunity after he's scored like once or twice. He's played a full game and then he's been, you know, hooked off in the 80th because he's not been able to produce anything. And again, part of that's, think, confidence. Part of that's, you know, i think it's been really good that he was given that position and that place towards the end of the season to, you know, have an opportunity. And then he was able to grasp it. And I think that it says a lot for the management of the team that he was able to do that. However, know, I just feel like he's not going to win another season where he's barely making a contribution.
00:36:19
Zak
And I don't know if they're going to be able to guarantee him the playtime, especially with him being so close to going to Rangers. right And now that kind of door seems to be closed considering they've just signed Hart's top goal scorer or whatever.
00:36:27
DailySaintsPod
Yeah. Yeah.
00:36:32
DailySaintsPod
yeah Yeah, no, but i completely agree. For me, it's a sell, but not with like any bitterness or anything like that. I think that he's been the victim, again, of like the changing profiles that we're looking for. Obviously, he's a striker that likes to run in behind, and we've talked at length on the show about just playing with a big striker next to him would okay. And we saw some of that towards the end of the season with him kind of playing that.
00:36:33
Zak
so yeah.
00:37:01
DailySaintsPod
I guess kind of in place of Finnazaz, but like slightly more forward, more like a false nine than an actual 10. And that did suit him and he did well. And he had those, those two games where he just, just ran. And I can't fault his work rate or his character to be, to be put in that position after frankly, really tough few years with us, with him where it just hasn't like seemed to click.
00:37:24
DailySaintsPod
There's definitely a player in there. I just don't know if it fits what we are going to need at this point. I suspect that wherever he does end up moving on to, he will have some level of success if they you know play to his strengths and play him in a way that suits him. I don't think that that's something that we've seen enough of.
00:37:46
DailySaintsPod
But yeah, don't I don't see it being something that we... don't think he is good enough to rebuild the squad around to start playing that way.
00:38:00
Zak
Agreed.
00:38:02
DailySaintsPod
But yeah, not with with any bitterness at all. There's clearly a player in there. just Just not in the in the way we're going playing.
00:38:10
Zak
Yes.
00:38:11
DailySaintsPod
Right, last two. Nick Iaconlay saw bits of this season sparingly, saw in pre-season a bit, and I saw at St.
00:38:20
Zak
love
00:38:25
DailySaintsPod
Mary's score against Real Madrid in the under-21s team. It's almost a shame we've not seen more of him at points this season, I think. There are times where we... we maybe could have been putting him in and decided not to.
00:38:41
Zak
The problem is is that when we we were talking about just playing the kids, right?
00:38:41
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:38:45
Zak
star just Just start him. Someone's got to start scoring goals, you know? And especially season when, you know, we had Ross Stewart out, Karl Barron wasn't here.
00:38:57
Zak
Armour was just not, you know, was firing, but not like, you know, was like once out of 10, as opposed to the chances that you should have been having, right? Putting away. we're like, oh, just give him a chance.
00:39:08
Zak
But we'll see as we go into the later season and, you know, you've got Cole Aaron now and you've got Ross Stewart and then Cam Archer in the backup. It's kind of like, where do you play him?
00:39:18
Zak
Where does he quite fit in?
00:39:19
DailySaintsPod
Yeah,
00:39:20
Zak
And a victim of circumstance.
00:39:22
DailySaintsPod
yeah some of the like cup games and stuff we might normally have seen him be brought into the fold and play, kind of ended up needing to be used to bring Ross Stewart up to fitness or get minutes for Cole Lahren and keep momentum.
00:39:33
Zak
And also also just keep momentum up was the main thing. And again, like I just think that if you can carry on doing what he's doing for the under-21s and then we get to a point, you know as you pointed out, where Larian and Stewart are not solutions forever.
00:39:39
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:39:49
Zak
I'm not saying that you know they're old old, but they're getting old in strikers' terms. So we we will need to start looking and ask an opportunity.
00:39:53
DailySaintsPod
Yeah. They're also like, they're also unproven quantities if we step up importantly, right?
00:40:00
Zak
Yes, well, so so is anyone. But like this is the thing, is that maybe maybe he gets a loan, maybe he gets to apply his trade and Maybe that'll help him in his game and mature in the championship a little bit if he you know has a bit time in, say, like League One or something.
00:40:16
Zak
What we don't want to do is you know make the same mistake we've made with Ballard where we just didn't play him, released him, and then he becomes like the top goal scorer for League One. However, again, it's levels, all the big, big thing. But yeah, I think that we keep him. I think we just develop him.
00:40:31
Zak
That's where at.
00:40:32
DailySaintsPod
Agreed completely. then last on the list, I was going say, but not least. I think if you're judging his time in a Saints shirt, maybe it is least, but I don't think that that's fair as an overall perspective. But Denver and Diaz, mate, sell to anyone.
00:40:52
Zak
Yeah, but i'm not not like I feel like you're like in a Twix. And it I think that he's had a really good season for Derby, which shows there's a player in there. I just don't know how you would ever unlock that player at Southampton.
00:41:04
Zak
Because every time we saw him, he just I don't think we're ever going to play him in a position that suits him.
00:41:04
DailySaintsPod
No, just don't see it. Yeah.
00:41:08
Zak
i don't think we're ever going to play in a formation that suits him. I understand why we brought him in at the time. i understand why we brought quite a few of those players in at the time, right? they There are players we've kind of not even bothered touching on because I just don't think you know they're coming back.
00:41:17
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:41:21
Zak
Plus, our our list was a bit all overpaced, but we've we talked about this in our returning loanies with like Charlie Taylor. and I think that he is a victim of, we went up to the Premier League and by the sounds of it, there was zero recruitment plan because there wasn't a director of football.
00:41:38
Zak
There was no real plan about it. was Russell Martin sat with Tony Mowbray's brother, trying to figure out and have... It was almost like playing a version of Football Manager, right, where they've gone, well, these this guy's got Premier League experience.
00:41:50
Zak
That'll be a really good idea. it And with Ben Barrett's in the air, it's like, and he's armoured, mate. So that means that they're automatically going to have link-up play and then just never panned out. And then, obviously, he played like a game for us in the Championship.
00:42:13
DailySaintsPod
uh
00:42:16
Zak
So yeah, sell, because I feel like, you know, victim of circumstance. And, you know, maybe maybe that guy who commented that one time, Greg, was because we only ever got to see Ben Brereton.
00:42:28
Zak
We never got to see Ben Diaz.
00:42:31
DailySaintsPod
yeah very look um look
00:42:33
DailySaintsPod
we we We obviously never... It just never clicked here, and that's fine. I don't hold any ill will towards Ben Brown and Diaz, and I don't know how to phrase this in a way that doesn't mug him and Darby off.
00:42:47
DailySaintsPod
so I'm just going come out
00:42:48
Zak
You try to say Derby is his level is basically what you're trying to say without saying Derby is his level. And that's because you consider Derby to be lower than us. But they've obviously proved their merit this season to be fair.
00:42:56
DailySaintsPod
with...
00:42:58
Zak
But like, they've played a different type football as well.
00:42:59
DailySaintsPod
Yeah, exactly. i think that... you can You can have a level of success at Derby by being a quality of player that's going to score that many goals, and that's fine for where, you know, Derby are trying to be.
00:43:14
DailySaintsPod
Realistically, based off of the other options we have available at the moment, we are needing either a certain profile of player or a certain quality of player that is going to be...
00:43:29
DailySaintsPod
like as good as or better than Stuart or Larrin. And I just don't think that Randy Asm matches that.
00:43:35
Zak
I don't think that he's got that quality, right? That's all it is.
00:43:38
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:43:39
Zak
It's not a disrespect thing.
00:43:39
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:43:40
Zak
I still feel weirdly that he's going to come back and I feel like he might be one of the ones that gets booed and I don't really know why. It's like when, like, I can understand to an extent why people used to view Virgil van Dijk because he left in a kind of a bit of a huff but was also probably the best player we've ever had at the club.
00:43:56
Zak
and Like, I would be ill be interested to see if he does sign for Derby and we play against them, obviously which we will, and he comes to St Mary's, what his reception would be like.
00:44:06
DailySaintsPod
Yeah, I just think that he's one of these players that rubs people the wrong way about him.
00:44:10
Zak
Yeah, that's the other thing. I don't quite know why.
00:44:12
DailySaintsPod
You think back to that like opening day of the Premier League season against Newcastle where he made an absolute meal of something and became the pure like point of hatred Newcastle for that entire season.
00:44:22
Zak
them that red card. Yep.
00:44:26
DailySaintsPod
and
00:44:26
Zak
but You're right. i forgot that Newcastle utterly hated us.
00:44:27
DailySaintsPod
just i just think that... just comes down to personality, doesn't it? Sometimes you're just a slightly abrasive person, or at least you what you put out into the universe is that.
00:44:34
Zak
I don't even think he's an abrasive curtain.
00:44:38
DailySaintsPod
And the people people read into that whether consciously or otherwise.
00:44:40
Zak
I think that similar to Azaz, he's just quite stoic.
00:44:43
DailySaintsPod
Yeah.
00:44:44
Zak
And for some reason, people don't like that.
00:44:45
DailySaintsPod
Yeah. but but When you're stoic, what people read into is the the personality that you show on the football pitch and your footballing persona, right?
00:44:55
DailySaintsPod
And that's what I mean with Azaz, where it it's perceived as hot and cold because it's, like, quite close to the line. Whereas, actually, when you watch Ben Burden-Diaz,
00:45:05
DailySaintsPod
gut reaction is some level of housery, uh,
00:45:11
Zak
Yeah. No. Yeah, no, I get you. oh I think that's basically it, mate, isn't it? Is there there anyone else we can ask off?
00:45:17
DailySaintsPod
That's it. I think I have missed one off the list, actually, to wrap it up. well I think we did touch on it in great detail in our returning loanee section. But also, I guess Damien Downs is is potentially returning to us.
00:45:30
Zak
Yes.
00:45:31
DailySaintsPod
And the answer to keep bench sell for him is, I don't know. it It won't be Keith.
00:45:37
Zak
Yeah.
00:45:37
DailySaintsPod
He won't be in the first team. It'll either be bench and develop or sell or load and develop.
00:45:44
DailySaintsPod
There's work in there.
00:45:44
Zak
I think sell is going to be a odd hard to sell at the moment, right?
00:45:49
Zak
It's going to be difficult. I think that he needs to drop down a level. i think he needs to get redevelop.
00:45:55
DailySaintsPod
Just put him in the under-21s, not as like slight on him because of that being his level, just to like build his confidence back up. Yeah.
00:46:03
Zak
wouldn't even say that. I'd say out on loan to like a League One. He needs to he needs to get first-team experience, but he needs to get first-team experience in a place where it's not going to be horrific and overwhelming. The biggest problem is he had he struggled in the championship with us, and then the...
00:46:17
Zak
and know the after that, you know, getting shoved directly into the Bundesliga, into another fan base that equally turned on him quite quickly because of the fact that, you know, ultimately he wasn't putting out results that they wanted.
00:46:28
DailySaintsPod
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00:46:32
Zak
I think you need to put him in, you know, somewhere not a bit quieter because Ligue 1 isn't, but somewhere where he can develop, I guess, without as much pressure on his shoulders, you know?
00:46:45
DailySaintsPod
Yeah, I agree with that. And that's it, mate. That's the full squad we've gone through. I say, a completely different tone to the previous years we've done this, which is nice.
00:47:00
DailySaintsPod
Nice to remember the positivity after, frankly, a pretty crushing couple of weeks with with all of the not-football stuff going on. so Look, obviously there's going to be turmoil. It's going to be players coming, players going because that is the nature of not getting promotion this year. It is going to be interesting to to watch as it starts to unfold and as the transfer window progresses.
00:47:28
DailySaintsPod
but, but look, we'll be keeping our, our fingers on the pulse of it. and there's, there's enough quality there and enough of us wanting to keep the, hopefully we have a really solid foundation to build next season upon and, uh, and give it a really good go uh, and get back to where we, we want to be.
00:47:51
DailySaintsPod
At least from a financial perspective. i don't know if I don't know if I do want to be in the Premier League from anything else, but but the money's nice. But that's mate.
00:48:02
DailySaintsPod
Another one done. another one Another week in the books. Let us know in the comments on the socials your thoughts, your opinions. Do you agree with us? Do you disagree with any of our points? Please let us know. We'd love to hear it and we'll be actively engaging with with all of it and looking to...
00:48:22
DailySaintsPod
to work out what the next season as a Saints fan and as a Saints team will look like. But until then, thank you so much for listening. Have a wonderful weekend. We'll be back next week to talk more footballing goodness and have a great one.
00:48:40
DailySaintsPod
Bye.