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#37: Freeze the Rent!
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#37: Freeze the Rent!
Turns out the dog rescue is not a Lab Retriever but really a Pit Bull! Francis thinks the rescue people are taking liberties with Jessica’s kindness. There was money raised for her rescue pup but it’s nowhere to be found. There’s a likely win in predictive markets with Mamdani’s “freeze the rent” promise that is expected in October. Gavin McKenna gets arrested for assault, but we want to know why all his peeps didn’t protect him from doing something stupid?
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Introduction to 'The Grocery Stick' Podcast
00:00:01
Speaker
ye From a makeshift recording studio in Brooklyn, welcome to The Grocery Stick with Jessica and Francis. Shut the front door. That is not what we agreed upon. Francis and Jessica. Meh, ignore that.
00:00:13
Speaker
We're Brooklynites and friends. We're here to talk, laugh, commiserate, and argue about all things travel sports-related, kid-related, and plain old life-related. It's Francis and Jessica, or I quit.
00:00:25
Speaker
Boom. Episode 37. Hello. Good morning. Good morning to you. Good morning. It was sunny and extra cold morning in the winter. Yes,
Winter Dog Walks and Ice Rinks
00:00:35
Speaker
your dog walk today?
00:00:36
Speaker
Actually, it was not bad because I was dressed appropriately. Yeah, I looked at the temperature before I went outside and I was like, yeah, okay, we're going to put on the the coat that looks like a sleeping bag.
00:00:47
Speaker
going look like a homeless chic person. Although last weekend I wore it to one of the rinks and... um but I was asked who did my coat? Like who is my coat? I was going to say, were you like ridiculed were people like, whoa, hey. No, they were like, oh, I love That's I that. I was like homeless chic look. I was like, I feel like I'm always wearing a shapeless sleeping bag every time I wear it. That's it. Hey, whatever works, man. And the other mom that was standing there with us was like, no, it looks great.
00:01:17
Speaker
like I mean, ice rinks are super cold in this weather in the Northeast. Extra cold. Yeah. and And you know the ones that you go to on repeat. You know the ones that are are always just frigid. Yep.
00:01:29
Speaker
Super frigid. Yep. And, you know, it's a time of year where usually – You go to the rink and then you're cold and you go outside to warm up.
00:01:40
Speaker
Right. That's only in like the spring hockey and summer hockey. Hang on a second. now I'm leaving the rink and it's colder outside than is inside. So there's nowhere warm up. That's why the beginning of the season, and the youth season is so you know interesting, right? Because yeah it's you know you're kind of not dressed for a rink and then you dress for a rink, but then you come outside and you're sweltering. It's just like hot. Yeah.
00:02:02
Speaker
Totally. Totally. Yeah, but our home rink is consistently freezing no matter when. The ice house. Have I been to ice house? I've been there couple of times. Do remember it being super cold?
00:02:15
Speaker
I guess so. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember that because there's the rink and then there's that exterior ah viewing area where everyone gets dressed, which is not so cool. ah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. the outside area is fine. It's inside. Yeah.
00:02:31
Speaker
It's always fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And
Challenges of Fostering a Shelter Dog
00:02:33
Speaker
i've done I've done both, but I like being inside better. And are you still walking two dogs, three dogs, four dogs, five dogs? What are you at now? I'm still at two. You're still at two. I'm still at two. Yes, I am. And I'm still not walking them together because there's still too much snow and ice okay for me.
00:02:48
Speaker
Health check, health update on number Everything's great. Everything's great. He's good boy. Yeah, no, we've I think we're we're we're ah getting over the hump a little bit. oh You know, it could take six months for a shelter dog to decompress where you really fully see who they are.
00:03:05
Speaker
Okay. But, you know, he's got these little, like, snippets where, you know, he's really funny. He's got a great personality. personality yeah He's cute. He's very verbal, but he sounds like Chewbacca. He does. Wait, but?
00:03:19
Speaker
There's no but. It's a butt. No. What's the word from the shelter and the health coverage and the Yeah, so the rescue, I had to, so they, you know, because of what had happened um with his reactivity, his fear reactivity with in the house, you know, we collectively had decided that it would be better for him to be in an environment that did not have kids, even older kids, like a, you know, a much smaller population in the house, which now I don't necessarily believe is true. So, um you know, we want to give it more time. yeah um so they had put out feelers for emergency foster placement, you know, and it's funny cause it only came up in my feed on Instagram the other night, like two nights ago. and they've been posting since the initial conversation, which is,
00:04:06
Speaker
Probably two weeks ago, I guess. yeah Right. um And so, you know, I saw the post. It came up in my feed and my stomach sank. Why? Because I don't want him to leave.
00:04:18
Speaker
ah but you but you can But you can choose that, right? no can choose I can choose whatever I want. You say, hey, want to adopt him. It doesn't mean I can get it. But this this particular dog, you know, if I said to them today, we keep we we want to keep him, yeah they would be like, yay. Like one less dog they need to worry about. That's a win. One less dog they need to network. You know, and they have a lot of dogs in this rescue and they fly rescues up from Puerto Rico.
00:04:45
Speaker
So what am I missing? You want the dog. Yeah, I'm just not – I'm not ready. i don't know. Like we could call it a foster to adopt. I'm sorry. I was mistaken. You have not yet called them to say we're adopting the dog. No, what I've said to them in the past when we've had these conversations is yeah that we are you know, we are like fast and furiously on on our way to foster failing, which basically means that you end up keeping the dog. Yes. But my issue is, is I want to work out the health stuff maybe before.
00:05:16
Speaker
because That's fair. Because oftentimes now they're vet that they work with. Yep. Is up in Poughkeepsie. Okay. Which is a three-hour drive has in each direction. It's not close at all.
00:05:30
Speaker
And so initially in these conversations, I had said to them, you know, you need to find a vet closer to me yeah who will give you the rescue slash foster discount. Because a lot of vets will discount health care for dogs who are pulled from shelters for people, yeah you know, who house them and rehabilitate them. Yeah, right.
00:05:51
Speaker
And socialize them. And like, honestly, they never did. yeah you know, and so I had to call my vet. My vet was gracious enough to give me a little bit of a discount. I mean, it wasn't a you know huge amount. It was a little bit to offset.
00:06:06
Speaker
um But so far I've paid out of pocket, which if he's my dog, you know, yes, of course I'm going to pay out pocket. However, this particular case, he has like a health problem that needs to be addressed and it really should be addressed sooner than later.
00:06:22
Speaker
yeah And the truth is, is if their vet, you know, which should be way less expensive anyway. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because of location alone. yeah If their vet is willing to do it and willing to give the rescue discount, then Eric and I will talk about, you know, paying for that out of pocket.
00:06:42
Speaker
Or paying, like, I don't even know how this works, but like maybe like calling it a donation to the rescue and having a tax deduction attached to it.
Myths and Mislabeling of Pit Bulls
00:06:50
Speaker
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. there's some logistics to work out where, you know, I'm not on the hook for.
00:06:58
Speaker
These people are somewhat responsive, very responsive or. Yeah, they're very responsive to me. I can't complain about the responsiveness. I mean, they don't check in that often, but they also don't want to harass me. with they said and And they're busy. But as your friend.
00:07:14
Speaker
Yeah. I'm not a lawyer, but I should be as your friend. I should have been also, but that's a whole other thing. That's a other story. If this dog has an emergency, health emergency, on your watch yeah today, who's paying for that?
00:07:31
Speaker
The rescue. Are they? They are. i might have to lay out money and they might have to reimburse me, but the truth of the matter is is he's still their dog. So he's they're not going to leave the lurch. Or you don't know yet. I wouldn't have any idea. You wouldn mean and you don't experience that yet you would but hope not. I mean, you know, this this whole rescue thing, like these rescues are all networked with each other. and one of the things that um the original rescue who pulled him for everyone, believe they're in Florida, which i thought the original rescue was in Georgia. You say Florida, and I'm like, that's trouble.
00:08:07
Speaker
Yeah. Well, you know, all over. Sorry, guys. Nothing good comes out of Florida. Well, you know, and what's interesting is, you know, like I said, he was sold as a Labrador. Well, that too. And he's not a Labrador, like by any stretch of the imagination. Like he may not even have That's what I'm saying. All a sudden it's like you file a claim for a Labrador and you're Well, the problem – well, the interesting thing about it was in the paperwork, yeah right? It says Labrador or LabMix all over the paperwork. And then there's one, one yeah entry in the paperwork that says Pitbull. Oh, so it's in there. It's in there. Right. And I'm not sure if it's the way that they manipulate yeah the paperwork. Like I don't know, you know. Right. It's certainly the way, and i talked to a bunch of trainers about this, and I don't know if I've said this already, and if I have, you can tell me because it's redundant, but, you know, I've talked to a bunch of trainers about him, and there's three to be specific, which we can call a bunch because if it was two, we could call them a couple, but it's three, so it's a bunch.
00:09:07
Speaker
um And they've all said the same thing, which is that rescues are notorious for doing this. Yeah. You know, touting the dog as a lab mix, touting the dog as a retriever. Oh, no, no, no. mean, this is like, it' like and it's like anything else.
00:09:23
Speaker
in whatever America or private enterprise is like this debate and switch. And then hopefully you don't return it because like, Oh, you fall in love. It's like, and I, and I have to say that, well, right. And, and I feel like I need to, I need to put this out there and I feel like I would say it in every single episode yeah and wish that more people, you know, listened so that they can hear it, which is, you know, what you hear about pit bulls in the news is sensationalized. Right.
00:09:52
Speaker
they're sure The stories are are picked. They're like cherry picked. Like sharks. Kind of like sharks, right? it's like They're cherry picked to ah inform a narrative that's already been built. Yeah.
00:10:03
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um yeah I would offer, I have a handful of friends and they all have pitties and they're all bigger than this one. This one is short. I mean, he stands like 24 inches off the ground. Like he's a tiny little dude. Tiny little, yeah.
00:10:15
Speaker
He's a muscle. I mean, his whole entire body is a single muscle. He's he's insanely strong. um But i what I want to offer is that what they say about pit bulls generally is a total myth.
00:10:27
Speaker
yeah They are not off-the-cuff aggressive. They are not looking for trouble. yeah They are not temperamental the way that people think they are. Mm-hmm. Yes. Do they have the ability to inflict damage? Of course they do. Just like every other dog.
00:10:42
Speaker
Yeah. Right. Typically, you know, are they the ones to blame the most for, you know, kind of, you know, attacks that end up with mortality? Yes. That would be statistically true. But out of 1.4 million dog yeah issues every single year, that accounts for something ridiculous. Like, I think it's like 2%.
00:11:01
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right.
Media Portrayal of Pit Bulls vs. Airline Safety
00:11:02
Speaker
Well, you know what? It's like I've got stats. Flying. Right. It's the safest way. But, you know, when an accident happens, it's like hundreds of people dying. People go, oh my God. Right. But if you could take those people, the number of, the sheer numbers, right? The number of people that perish in airline crashes versus the number of people that fly every single day and every single year, you're still looking at like a 2% number. It might even be smaller. Right. Right.
00:11:29
Speaker
Right. So, but you, but you take those stories that make up 2% and you sensationalize them and make them into headlines. And then everybody's afraid of flying. yeah Yeah. Right. Everybody's afraid of a pit bull. Everybody should, you know, I had this argument over Christmas yeah at my friend's house. I'm not going to name any names.
00:11:50
Speaker
I had an argument with her friend. Yeah. This person said, I think all pit bulls should be destroyed. Right. Oh, man. that's ah Even for me, that's a crazy thing to say. It's insane. I mean, like the absolutism behind it is bananas to me.
00:12:06
Speaker
right and it gave me and And I've known this person. is this person a ah a pet person, a dog person, or a really anti-dog person? Not an anti-dog person, okay that from what I can tell. right yeah Because this person's friends all have dogs. I actually don't know if this person has a dog. I don't think so.
00:12:23
Speaker
I would assume not. Yeah, I don't think so. Clearly not animal lover because, you know. Right. but But, you know, but the dog, the resident dog where we were is a pit bull. Okay. And the sweetest. Yeah. The sweetest girl. This dog is a lover. Yeah. Never a fighter. Yeah. um And so, you know, i took great exception.
00:12:46
Speaker
To the comment, because first of all, I don't speak in absolutes. I never do. i so said never, but I rarely I really don't ever do all or never conversations because I don't believe that that colors the world accurately.
00:13:00
Speaker
And you couldn't let it go. actually did let it go. And then this person came at me and thrust their phone in my face with a bunch of like statistics pulled off of like Wikipedia or something retarded. And yes, I'm holding on to the word retarded for appropriate uses. Was there alcohol involved?
00:13:17
Speaker
Yeah, on on that person's end, yes, not but not mine. No, I know, but it's still weird. Like why... Why even continue that conversation after saying it's like so weird. But but it it was like 10 minutes later.
00:13:28
Speaker
oh my God. Let it go. People. It was terrible. And so my understanding after that was that this is like a, um, a typical, but typical argument or discourse tactic.
00:13:42
Speaker
Yeah. That, you know, is used with that person. Oh yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Um, sure. Some people just need to always be right. You don't have to. Yeah. but in opinion I can have an opinion and we can just move on. Some people just know they can't stop. But her opinion is akin to genocide. like you want to you what Basically, you want to genocide an entire breed of dog. Yeah, but it's not even that. For these people, it's like ah said it's like a dog with a bone. it's like They just can't let it go. like, let it go, dude. You can say your thing. I don't agree with you. can say something crazy. That's totally cool. yeah But these are the people that...
00:14:15
Speaker
need to convince you be on their side to be happy. It's like, Right. That's a whole other thing. You can't reconcile the idea that I don't agree with you. know. So it's not even a dog issue. It is. No matter what the issue is, everybody's got to be on their side. Yeah, yeah, yeah. happened with other things between this person and myself also. I mean, this wasn't the only subject. This was subject that put me over the top. This person, well, maybe...
00:14:44
Speaker
Put this way. Maybe this person respects you and likes you so much that they just want you to be on their side all the time. I don't think so. I don't think that's it. Because. I don't think anybody likes me or respects me that much.
00:14:56
Speaker
yeah Well, but then they wouldn't waste time arguing with you. I don't even think you like me and respect me that much. That's not nice. no yeah you can Hey, you don't don't try and tell me how I feel about you.
00:15:10
Speaker
No, I said I think. See, that's about me. It's what I think. You're misappropriating my feelings. How you feel about me is none of my business. That's right. Damn you.
00:15:21
Speaker
Okay. Okay, okay, okay, okay. But back to my original point. Let's not fight. As your friend. Let's not fight. your friend. like I'm just afraid that they're leaving you they're leaving you in the lurch. Yeah, you know...
00:15:33
Speaker
with Especially with um a like a... deal I feel like there's a limited resource and I don't think it's intentional. No, I didn't say it's intentional, but still not nice to leave you with like a half, sorry, no offense, half-assed dog.
00:15:47
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. Who needs medical attention. i yeah oh I'm not a pet owner, oh but I've seen the bills for pets that need emergency care. Well, and this is what I was saying about that that original rescue in Florida, right? There was this promise of a fundraiser to offset medical costs and nothing's happened. nothing happened. Or they did it yeah and the money's in their pocket and in pocket. And when...
00:16:11
Speaker
His story was a viral story. It's just he wasn't identified during the initial, you know, hey, anybody, yeah you know, these two dogs, these two dogs, these two dogs, right? Because of court case. Right. And so people were pledging money. People pledge money. They pledge, I pledge $40. I pledge $1. You know, if everybody pledged $1 on this post, they'd have $13,000. And who knows whether it was collected or was collected in a sitting area account. And then there was like a ton of stuff sent for him.
00:16:41
Speaker
You know, in like a support role, right? Like food and yeah yeah toys and like whatever. and when he was sent up here, I mean, he was on a transport at a certain point. Like there was like, it was like almost like the Underground Railroad. I think I said this before. Yeah, yeah you did. Yeah.
00:16:56
Speaker
But like, you know, like someone would drive him 50 miles. He'd go to the next car. They drive him 50 miles. And at a certain point, he ended up on a transport for, I think, a chunk of the trip.
00:17:07
Speaker
Okay. And then was picked up by some a trans, a volunteer transporter for the rescue that now I'm working with. Okay. Okay. I mean, and in the cynic in me.
00:17:19
Speaker
Well, in the interim, I think he came up with only like like a tiny little crate of stuff and ah and a mat to sleep on. No, no, no. The cynic in me is like, they raised money. They collected a generic pool and for this dog. put it somewhere else. And used it. They didn't steal it, but they just took it for the other pets and forgot about it because you got them. Anyways, I mean, yeah and who knows if it, you never know. are they just so disorganized? They don't know what's going They did it on purpose. They did it by accident on purpose. don't yeah I mean, I don't know, right? i Like I said, all I care as a friend is that you're not left holding the bag at the of the day, which it looks like to me, without the experience of ever dealing with rescues, that you are left holding the bag. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. um we're good We're going to play it see it play out, right? I mean, what am I going to do?
00:18:06
Speaker
ah You know, the the thing the thing about it is is that I really truly love the dog. He's
Complexities of Dog Adoption
00:18:12
Speaker
just get an awesome dog. And like so I just want to do what's best for him. It's not even about... I told you the same thing. It's like...
00:18:20
Speaker
you know me, okay? If my wife disappeared and I go in the dating app and I have to put down, I'm six foot tall and 35 and then show up at like five foot six and 52 is like, ah oh, I just thought that maybe once you met me and you see I'm a nice guy, right like, come on.
00:18:38
Speaker
Right, right, exactly. oh oh i didn't realize I didn't realize I posted that. I'm sorry. Every I these stories, I just laugh. I'm like, guys, like, 5'8", show at okay ah right Right. But like you can't put down your six feet tall and then show up at five foot six and hope like how that's going to go well. I mean, you can. You can hope all you want. I mean, I think you'd be remotely deluded to do that and to hope that that would be okay. But people do what they want, right?
00:19:06
Speaker
You can advertise falsely and then hope that somebody i know but like overlooks it because your personality is so amazing. Like whatever. Right. But then, okay, so I was listening i listen to the radio every morning and then was there z one hundred goes to What's his face? Ryan Seacrest. Oh my God. You listen to Z100 in the morning? I love it. Oh my God. The zoo. Oh my God. These guys. I haven't listened to them in 20 years. It's awesome. They're so funny. and But then after like 9.45, they switch over to Seacrest, the regular programming. Yeah.
00:19:37
Speaker
This was like last week. And one of their younger producers on the show, she's on a dating app and she's like, oh, there's three guys. And yeah yeah I guess i guess you you chat and then you try to meet up or there's like, anyway, there's some kind of communication on the app.
00:19:57
Speaker
And she was like, oh, there's three guys. And they each had like, not a pickup line per se, but like the intro line. Okay. Yeah. One guy was like, you know, come meet me. I got mommy issues. like She's like, no, that's a big no. And there's another one that was kind of, kind of like catchy, but they're like, ah, too salesy. And then there's a third one, which you end up choosing and Seacrest and everyone else loved it. And it was like, the guy's like, I'm a solid five, but I know how to cook.
00:20:26
Speaker
yeah And so that probably makes me a nine or 10. Ha ha. Yeah. And just, that's it. And she's like, that's the guy. That's the guy. Like, honest guy. Yeah. Right?
00:20:37
Speaker
Obviously, you have pictures. Saw the picture. She's like, he's not a five. You know, he's not a ten. He's not a five. Right? Right, right, right. and But he's got, he's self-deprecating. He's got humor. Doesn't take too seriously. and she's like, okay, I'm going to meet that guy.
00:20:48
Speaker
Okay. I was like, there you go. Yeah. There's no point. It's like I tell my kids about the travel brochure. I'm like, this is the best this hotel is going to look like.
00:20:58
Speaker
after It's a brochure, right? They're selling it to you. So if you don't like what the travel brochure looks like, there's no way you're going to go there and go, ooh, it's better than the pictures. And it's it's the same thing with these with these buildings that go up, right? And you end up like purchasing before the build-out, yeah right? You walk in and you see all of this. And it's like timeshares, right? You and walk in and they like unfurl stuff for you. Yeah.
00:21:22
Speaker
Yeah, it's all the same. It's all about how to present. No, no, no, no, no. Anyway, so that was pretty funny story. So, ah
00:21:32
Speaker
okay. Hotels. Anyways, we'll continue this saga of the Rescue Dog. Hotels. On episode 38, 39, 40. Who knows? Until there's some kind of resolution. Until there's an adoption. But I wish you good luck, Godspeed, and no unexpected expenses. Thank you. On this dog.
00:21:50
Speaker
i want to talk about hotels since you just said hotels. Did I tell you? Wait, wait, wait. Yes. Tell me. Did I talk about this last week? I can't remember. Did I tell get to tell you about the hotel that I stayed at for Hartford? that Yeah.
00:22:05
Speaker
Yes. Did I tell you I didn't have any hot water? Yes. You did tell us that. Disaster. This is the one where you left early. Yeah. Did I tell you that they didn't refund anybody the night oh that we didn't stay? I think you hinted at that at the time. So I paid an extra night for an extra shitty room.
00:22:21
Speaker
You can't. dispute that with a credit card company? guess I might. I think I could probably. don't know. So silly. Yeah. Yeah. I think can. And these days, most credit cards, especially one with higher annual fees will definitely side. It was on my Amex. It was on my Delta Amex. Oh yeah. So they'll definitely side with you versus the, the comfort in East Windsor. East Windsor. Oh God. Yeah. We've talked, know, we talked about the whole thing, like, but the whole, that whole area of Connecticut is just barren of any kind of decent hotels. We did. just sure I mentioned it. And then the Inn as like, as a brand is just like, whoa.
00:22:59
Speaker
That's right. We did talk about this. I see that. I'm like, no. This is my aged, my aged brain. Hey. We're all like that. I have no idea. I'm write things down or else i'm going to forget. Well, it's funny because I don't have any notes in front of me from last week. So i didn't remember. And I was like, wait a second. You just said hotel. I have. Yes. happens Because I publish episodes into the system.
00:23:18
Speaker
I was going to ask you, do you ever listen to our podcast after we record them? Yeah. You probably don't. But after they publish because I don't have access. ah Oh, that's very nice of you. Yeah. You're like the plantation owner. it's Yeah.
00:23:32
Speaker
Thanks, man. that a compliment or is that a is that a slight? It's just an observation. no okay um ah I didn't eat oatmeal this morning. i was happy i really wanted to tell you. I'm going to tell Jessica this morning. I did not have oatmeal because I ran out. I ate it all.
00:23:52
Speaker
And I forgot. Do you feel better now? Do you feel? I quote unquote forgot to order a new batch. You ate all of it. Do you feel healthy? Do you feel better now? I do not. But so but this morning i got extra early to drive my wife work in this cold weather at like 6 a.m., 5 a.m., 6 a.m.
00:24:07
Speaker
You're a very good husband. And I try. have no excuses not to drive her. ah And so I went to get a bagel. kind of a bagel story At a bagel At a bagel. Court Street Bagels is good. But I'm a simple guy, you know.
00:24:23
Speaker
Everything bagel, toasted with butter, large coffee, black. I'm out here. All right. And as usual, I got the, do you want room for milk? Oh, my God. Did I just say black?
00:24:34
Speaker
I just said black. This is happening. Listen to me. this is Everywhere. This is happening to me on a daily basis. Everywhere. i don't know what it is. I don't know if people just not, they're not listening. Or coffee black is so rare these days. All the employees though, right? they they're English is not their first language, right? You got that. No, no, no. I'm going to places where people are like white. Right. But then you get people who are just ADHD, who can't pay attention to what you're saying, right? They only hear key words. And then you have the younger generation that we talk about all the time who just kind of stare at you. Yeah, yeah. And they give you that face. I go very friendly people. didn't get the...
00:25:14
Speaker
coffee black good morning can i help you i didn't get that i didn't get that i got a normal like regular person not not regular person obviously if they're regular they would know it's coffee black but it was like a new but i mean blank street coffee i like the place it was good they're the only ones open at 6 a.m when i get back to the city yeah back to the hood my daughter really likes that place too everyone everybody else 7 a.m or later so 6 a.m they're open right and um and So bagel. And then I go buy coffee separately. And it's like coffee black, large.
00:25:48
Speaker
Okay. Do you want room for milk? Black, please. and Oh, okay. Right. I just think that they're just trying to be hyper polite and they just, they're just not accustomed to somebody.
00:25:59
Speaker
I know what happens. There are a lot of idiots out there. I would like a black coffee. And then they fill it to the top clearly. And then they're like, I want room for milk. You didn't ask. It's like you fucker. Then you shouldn't order your coffee black.
00:26:11
Speaker
Totally. You should say coffee, room for milk, which is so easy to say. so i think they're just being hyper polite and they can't believe that. i don't know.
00:26:23
Speaker
Maybe I don't look like a coffee in black. Maybe you need to say, i want my coffee plain. Maybe look too plain. Like a plain bagel, right? Nothing on it. I want my coffee plain.
00:26:35
Speaker
Yeah. Maybe black doesn't identify well. Yeah, had a butter bagel. Not good for my health, but it was good. You know what? You've eaten enough oatmeal over the last like month. It's been a busy week. It's been a busy week. It's like four hockey games in a week. Oh, wow. Really? Five a.m.
00:26:51
Speaker
drop off, driving the world every day because it's freaking like, to my Canadian friends, it's like minus 20 Celsius every morning or like zero to single digit Fahrenheit. You know, of thing.
00:27:03
Speaker
So you... Then I'm driving to hockey, which is like three hours away. So you've gone back and forth for four times this week? Yeah, yeah. There's one more time tomorrow. Every day? prince ah so Almost every day this week? um Monday, Wednesday. so last so So the last couple of weeks, the games have been Monday, Wednesday, Saturday, Monday, Wednesday, Friday this week.
00:27:28
Speaker
Oh, okay. All right. So done the circuit. Three hours there, three hours back. I bumped into Mike Miller at the car wash. Oh, no shit. That's funny. Fellow hockey parent at the car wash. I hear Francis.
00:27:41
Speaker
Francis. I'm like, what? What? Who the hell knows me out here? oh that's funny. There he is. That is really funny. Fellow hockey father on the same route. That's crazy. Yeah. So it's kind of fun. But... the It's a long couple weeks.
00:27:55
Speaker
No complaints because it's coming to an end. I'm happy to do it. Yeah. Happy happy to drive and and and eat dinner after games and get home at midnight,
Understanding Predictive Markets
00:28:04
Speaker
1 a.m. m and then recycle it the next day. No problem. But anyway, so bagel, coffee was awesome. Yeah. Calchi.
00:28:12
Speaker
Calchi update. I want to bet. Oh. Actually, I shouldn't say that. it's Okay. Back up the truck here. And i was having this conversation with um my godson was traveling. Yeah.
00:28:23
Speaker
and this time, and God bless her for still listening while she's traveling, is that, ah so Cal, she's not, technically it's not betting. It's not gambling per se, as opposed to like DraftKings, you know, FanDuel, you're betting, and if you lose your, you lose money to the house. Right, right, right.
00:28:43
Speaker
Right? Yeah. Cal sheet, there's markets, you're buying contracts, you're predict you're you're paying a probability. So it's a percent of the contract. Contract pays a dollar. If you think this is a 15% chance of happening, you pay 15 cents. it's a market It's like a stock market. Right. So the house, Cal sheet itself doesn't make any money from you except for a small commission for managing the portfolio. Right. On the trade, you're betting against other people. Right. In this contract.
00:29:09
Speaker
There is some counterparty risk. We'll not get into that technicality because there's a clearinghouse just like the stock market. So let's not worry about that. But you will get paid right either way. But the beauty of it is you make a bet, let's say, at 15% probability.
00:29:26
Speaker
You think it's 80%. eighty percent but So you can buy at 15%. Oh, I'm going to make money. You watch it. You watch it. People in the market bid. And then... You don't have to wait for the actual outcome to get your dollar or to lose your 15 cents, let's say in this case.
00:29:41
Speaker
Like if the market starts to go your way and it gets to 50% probability. Right. Like you're making money. Yeah. You pay 15 cents. The market is 50 cents. Right. You can trade out of it. In fact, when you put your original order in to buy at 15 cents, you're the next second you can put in ah a limit order, a good till canceled, to sell at 50 cents. And then you can just forget about it. And if the market goes your way a week later, two weeks later, and you get hit, you'll wake and go, oh, I bought at 15 cents. I sold at 50 cents. was like a dollar commission. I made money. And then you're happy and off you go, right, into the world. And so the thing that I think people like about
00:30:29
Speaker
predictive markets is that you can get out along the way. You don't have to wait for the actual outcome. So for example, earlier this month, yeah, like first week of January, I made a bet.
00:30:43
Speaker
when it was like a 15 to 20% probability that there would be another government shutdown. Oh, right. Yes. Right. So when I make the bet, it was like, I think it was like 17 or 18 cents, which is 17 or 18% probability in the market right now that it would happen. So very low, right? Yeah. Like, no, there's no, app you read the news, no appetite for another government shutdown. Forget it, forget it, forget it, forget it. I'm like, you know what? I'll take that bet.
00:31:07
Speaker
Right. So I buy it. And then I just sort of forget about it. And then all of a sudden I wake up two weeks later and Minnesota happens. Yeah. And the DHS funding, ICE funding is up for granted. All of a sudden, the boom, it goes to 80%. Now it's like, there's no appetite for another shutdown.
00:31:25
Speaker
But now the Democrats are fighting over this. hades I'm out. So I made money. Right. And then it dropped again. It dropped again. um Sorry. No, it dropped. again Yeah, it dropped again from 80 down to like 30 or 40 because they thought, oh, the Senate's passed the bill, blah, blah, blah, bla blah. And then it jumped up again because the technicality, people don't read these things in the contracts, was...
00:31:48
Speaker
even a partial government shutdown for a minute is a yes to that contract. yeah yeah Okay, so there's that case. then ah So I win that and I say, okay, so now on I'm on, and there's different things, issues that I'm betting on, but and a lot of them are long range.
00:32:06
Speaker
The next one I'm doing is I saw Mamdani rent freeze. Will this happen this year? yeah In 2026? No.
00:32:18
Speaker
Okay. And so you have to read the fine print. And again, it's like the renewal recommendation from the RGB, the committee, doesn't come until October-ish.
00:32:33
Speaker
Okay. So that's when they give the recommendations for one-year, two-year renewals, what the percentage increase will be. i think like i think So people right now, you read the news, we're trying to renew, i think it's like 3% or 4% per year. Okay.
00:32:46
Speaker
per year okay and And so people say, if you think he's going to come through for you, sign a one year. And then this October, when the recommendation comes out, you'll get that price a year from now.
00:32:59
Speaker
January, February, 27th. So that's the bet, right? yeah And so I read the stories. i like, okay, the technicality is he literally has to freeze and has to be a 0% increase for people to win this contract.
00:33:14
Speaker
Okay. So I'm surprised. what? i was like, he's a politician. He could easily say the last few years, it's been four to 5% a year. I got the committee to give you 0.1% increase. Right. Which is basically zero. Yeah. But it's not zero. But it's not zero. And win. Yeah.
00:33:32
Speaker
Yeah. So I placed that bet and a couple days ago when it 20, 24 cents. Okay. um So everyone thinks like he's going to get the rent freeze across. And again, I'm not disagreeing.
00:33:46
Speaker
But I don't think it's going to be zero. Yeah. I think it's going to be near zero. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think, I think zero is an improbability. Yeah. and And, but again, like, guess what? I don't need to wait till it happens. If we get to July, August, September, and he starts appointing people to the rent guidelines board, and then they're starting to hint that, it's going to be near zero, but we can't do zero because the landlords have to improve the the premises.
00:34:15
Speaker
If you give them zero, they won't do it. You'll have no hot water. you have no electricity, blah, blah, blah. We'll give them 0.1%. I win. Right. So stuff like that. So, you know, stuff like that. and and um And you just open an account.
00:34:29
Speaker
I did. i haven't done anything with it yet. I put a little bit of money in it and, you know, I'm trying to feel my way around a little. I'm teaching my kids something. I don't open the account, put like 10 bucks in it.
00:34:42
Speaker
I'm like, the beauty of this is these contracts are priced in cents, right? So you can literally, told them my it's a low risk. Yeah. I want you to learn, understand predictive markets. It's part of the future. Understand probabilities and contracts. It's not like betting.
00:34:56
Speaker
and like find something, find something, an issue you love. that you know about and then put 15 cents on it. Right. And just, yeah. And see what happens. Well, I think it's, I think it's valuable for yeah younger people right now yeah to understand what that looks like.
00:35:12
Speaker
um And like I said, it's low risk. It really is. It's because you're, you're losing cents on the dollar. It doesn't. So many issues. If you make it fun and not like I'm betting a thousand dollars and that you're sweating bullets every day. Right. It's a, it's, it's very useful to learn. And, and, and there's thing I was talking about god sister about. like,
00:35:30
Speaker
the The bad thing about predictive markets, is especially in politics and economic data and stuff like that, is it obviously breeds a ton of insider trading, right? and And at the high level, you are crowdsourcing a conclusion to a question that you are as a platform betting that an insider will put big money on an outcome, which gives you the right answer. yeah So you can you can follow people and say, oh, this person is going to be right because they have inside information.
00:36:05
Speaker
That's cool. So you want the answer, the truth, but the money is what clouds it all, right? because now people are betting. I've seen people who've made millions. And again, I don't know if it's true or not. and You can... you can There's all these scams going on in these markets. Market makers, hedge funds are involved like for the big money.
00:36:20
Speaker
Of course. That just sucks all the fun out of it, though. Right. But as an individual, you can have a little bit of fun yeah doing it. Yeah. Right? You know, it's just it's like big money kind of ruins everything.
00:36:33
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Everything it touches, it turns it to shit. It doesn't turn it somehow it's the only to incentivize the human race to get involved in anything. Yeah. Just like OnlyFans. Just like OnlyFans.
00:36:44
Speaker
Money. Money result. Okay. Feet finder. Okay. So that's a lot of preamble for 36 minutes. We
Hockey Player Gavin McKenna's Legal Troubles
00:36:51
Speaker
need to get to the topic of the day, which everyone in the hockey world is scratching the heads on. That's Gavin McKenna. Gavin McKenna. Arguably the top, the number one draft pick. 2026. Coming this summer. 2026. Arrested for felony assault.
00:37:08
Speaker
in And I had look this State College. What the fuck is State College? Penn State. state Yeah. i was like, say Penn State. Oh, well, it's State College, Penn State. it's like penn Because you know what? Penn State is a huge network.
00:37:21
Speaker
right Right. So there's a like a gajillion campuses in the state of Pennsylvania. That's exactly right. so So State College is how they identify it there a school. So State College the main campus. Right.
00:37:32
Speaker
Which is in the middle of nowhere, which I've been to. I saw it in the middle nowhere. Wow, it's between Pennsylvania. Right in the middle nowhere. Of yeah the entire state. yeah It's really pretty. It's pastoral. But it's like literally in the middle of Population 40,000. It's a college town. Actually, here's we went there when the kids were really, really little. And maybe maybe only i had one kid at the time. I don't remember. I have to go back at the photos and look because that's where my brain is. yeah And we were driving back from Michigan and we did stop at State College. And who they had a creamery on campus. Okay. Which was the best ice cream. What? In the middle of Better than Come on.
00:38:08
Speaker
Yeah, no, it was pretty spectacular. Okay, okay. I mean, come on. It must be the grass. Pastoral Pennsylvania, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, okay. I hear you. So that was like a demarcation for me. Like, oh, yeah, State College has great ice cream.
00:38:21
Speaker
And I don't even eat ice cream, so which is kind of funny. I just tasted it. So we don't know the details. No. Of how the fight started. no Whatever it else is. We just don't end in him punching somebody in the face. Breaking.
00:38:32
Speaker
Breaking a face. Face. Broke the face. It said surgery is is involved. Yeah. And now he's been arrested, charged, and then released on $20,000 bail. Yeah. Yeah.
00:38:44
Speaker
yeah And I wish there were video. and Maybe there is video. I haven't looked at I haven't looked at it. heard the headline. i haven't found any video. it's I haven't seen it from TMZ. I can't believe there's no video in this day and age of this brawl.
00:38:56
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, okay. So this reminds me of, remember our episode early, poo in the bag? Oh my God, yes. And how hockey players are just stupid and young. Yeah. And can't can't understand the risks that are involved.
00:39:11
Speaker
Yes. And I had said to you just before we started this recording, man, if I'm Gavin McKenna and I'm the, I'm projected to be the number one NHL pick.
00:39:25
Speaker
Have I been talking into the microphone weird today? Anyways, number one pick. And, and I'm valuable to myself, to the school, to a future and NHL team.
00:39:39
Speaker
When I get on the team, knowing that there are haters out there and I'm a prime target in the world of cameras everywhere. Yeah. Isn't the first thing that his agent, his family, his coach – They just find a couple of guys in the team or at school and say, you've got to stick to him like glue and don't let anyone take advantage of him of him. And if anybody tries to heckle him or pick a fight with him, you just – it's like the president. You grab him and you run him out the door.
00:40:11
Speaker
Right. And do not let anyone come near him. Yeah. Like, isn't that – Yeah. And, you know, and it's funny because, we you know, earlier when we first, yeah you know, so got on, you know, line to talk, you know, i was saying how I don't understand how somebody doesn't intercede before it gets the point where gets so overboiled. Because you said there was family there.
00:40:32
Speaker
Right. Well, so, the know what I said was he was, they were harassing family. he was Oh, they were harassing his family. Right. After youre a game. So, like, the more information that trickles out, now, ah so apparently, it was on the street.
00:40:47
Speaker
Not in a bar. Not in the bars. Out in the street. and apparently, maybe McKenna was being harassed by some drunken idiot who apparently maybe might have called McKenna's mother a whore.
00:41:01
Speaker
Sure. um And there's apparently everything's on video because they have street cameras everywhere because it's campus. Oh, right. So. mean, regardless, right, the thing is like you throw the punch, you hurt the guy. Yeah, right.
00:41:19
Speaker
Even if he hurled 10 million insults at you, your wife, your sister, your mother, they're words. Yeah, they're words. They're words. You should be able, I mean, and i mean on the one hand, they're words.
00:41:30
Speaker
You're a hockey player. People are, you and I, have we're hockey parents. I've heard it all. We've heard it all. I've heard it all. And our kids aren't even like going pro like Gavin McInnes. You can imagine. You've heard it all. Yeah.
00:41:42
Speaker
You learn to ignore it all. Yep. Well, you have to. and You have to. Right. And people are stupid all the time. Okay. And then they, and then they move and then you move on and it's forgotten. And so that obviously there was alcohol involved. And again, like even if Gavin McKenna is not who he is, he's just a normal Joe who knows what happens here. Right.
00:42:04
Speaker
But no, but you're the number one NHL draft prospect. Yeah. Okay. So you got to believe that the NHL, I can guarantee you the NHL is going to get involved.
00:42:17
Speaker
whatever teams that wanted him to getting involved, his agent's going to find superstar lawyers involved. Like I have ma to imagine they're just going to pay this guy off, whoever the stranger is, pay him off. And it'll be down to misdemeanor assault, simple assault, right? Cause it's several charges.
00:42:34
Speaker
And so it's misdemeanor, fine, pay a fine community service. hopefully lesson learned, and then you move on. I can't imagine. Because the felony assault part, which clearly, if you break somebody's face, like a normal person is going to jail for that. Well, you know one of the charges is you know like grievous intent for bodily harm.
00:42:55
Speaker
Yeah, that's the felony one. Yeah, it's a felony charge. Yeah, it is jail time. you know And the thing is, is you know as I'm like floating through X, which I should have looked at actually before we even got on. I didn't look at X. I was looking at other news sources. yeah um But it basically says that you know he just turned 18 on December 20th and he was being harassed by some guy who was 21 years old. Yeah, absolutely.
00:43:17
Speaker
And basically it, it, here's, here's what one of them says. One of them says, so my brother goes to PSU and last night he was out with his friends after the hockey game and this boy was all banged up and they saw Gavin McKenna and his mom at the bar. Yeah. This boy called Gavin's mom a whore and McKenna just knocked him the fuck out. Right. My brother had to take his friend to the hospital that night. His friend has a broken jaw in three places, a concussion and three missing teeth. Right.
00:43:40
Speaker
Oh, this is this guy who posted was with the guy who got – Seems to. I mean if it's true, right? I mean there's no – I know. You don't know. Maybe not. But you know if it gives you – and then someone else said, McKenna turned 18 on December 20th. A grown 20-year-old man decided to verbally harass a woman at a bar and her borderline child stepped in and ended it and were going to ruin the 18-year-old's future. That 21-year-old is the softest excuse for a human alive. Yeah, yeah. I mean like that. They'll get it.
00:44:07
Speaker
It's like anything else. Like you go to the judge and even without him being a superstar, it's like, guys, guys, like it's college town. People are drunk. This guy's 21 and harassing the guy's mom. Yeah.
00:44:18
Speaker
He took a swing. Sure. It's a assault and he's going to pay a fine, do community service, but, why on earth? What what lesson? And hear from the lawyers all the time. What lesson are you going to teach this kid by throwing him in jail for three years for defending his mother's honor? Yeah. Well, yeah. Right? Yeah. so and and And then now you throw him Gavin McKenna and the millions of dollars involved, there will be the highest powered lawyers coming down and getting involved with this. Right. Well, and I can't help but wonder if the and NHL is going to support, you know, defense for him.
00:44:51
Speaker
Oh, 100%. And to be honest with you, he's such an asset for them that you would hope that they would step up because i don't, i didn't he didn't just randomly punch somebody because he was being a drunk jerk. It's not that. By all accounts, I haven't followed him, but I think by all accounts, he's a good kid, right? He's a good kid, nice guy. Or is he wise ass? like Yeah, so here's another one. yeah Other guy was verbally assaulting Gavin's mom who was there. Families were in town for the game. Bunch of the team was there. Everyone trying to defuse him, walk away. Kid wouldn't stop, wouldn't let it go. Kept going after Gavin's mom. Gavin knocked him out.
00:45:25
Speaker
You know what what happens, right? i mean You've seen those episodes of Shorzy. Oh, I love Shorzy. Do you know? but every joke from Shorzy is about your mom.
00:45:35
Speaker
You dissed your mom. I slept with your mom. Totally. mom Oh, 100%. And here's the thing, right? When they're on when they're on the ice, it's kind of a fair game. Yeah. Right? Like, you know, you want to talk about someone's mom on the ice? Yeah, you know what? Fine. Because then he's going to come around next shift and knock your ass out anyway. But I i know. But I still think like – Okay.
00:45:56
Speaker
Again, this is our judgment. I mean, it's easy to say this, I know, in hindsight, but you and I are parents.
Managing Public Altercations in College
00:46:00
Speaker
Yeah. You and are parents. Okay? And we teach our kids certain things and you know I know was a big game. They lost against Michigan State.
00:46:09
Speaker
He had three points, lost against Michigan State. It's not hard in this day and age. of This all comes full circle. right It's not hard for someone who's drunk, who lost $1,000 on CalShea or some betting platform, yeah betting on Gavin McKenna and Penn State, beating Michigan State.
00:46:26
Speaker
yeah They lose by a goal. Nami's pissed. yeah oh there's gam McKenna right and what's the best way to hurt him that's his mom I'm gonna just call her a whore and she should head and just and until yeah I get a reaction maybe I wasn't expecting it punched yeah well I would I would you know I would offer that you know not only was he harassing his mom but everybody else in the area was apparently trying to diffuse the situation and tell him to stop and he was tenacious like a like a Like a rabid dog, right? And if you're going to be tenacious like a rabid dog and you're not going to stop, then someone needs to put you and in a position where you shut the fuck up. We see that in the parking lots for like low value youth hockey games, refs, coaches, parents, parents versus parents. and and
00:47:13
Speaker
And you say people defuse it. I'm like, listen. No, no, no, no. Let me tell you right now. Okay. So when I was growing up in high school, I was only one that never drank.
00:47:24
Speaker
So I was a designated driver. friend of mine had a minivan. We would go out and I have the minivan in college and everyone's getting pissed drunk, crazy pissed drunk and doing stupid shit.
00:47:36
Speaker
I remember being like 18, 19, cause you can drink it in Canada at 18. Yeah. Yeah. And a cop poses over and he looks at me and he's like, okay, you're clearly not drinking. Yep.
00:47:48
Speaker
Okay, you guys are free to go, but can you please try and contain your group? I'm like, yeah. Got it, officer. Thank you very much. So so when people say they try to defuse I'm like, horseshit, because if you're in a group it sounds like this guy and he was drunk and he had friends who not as drunk or somewhat drunk or or just not drinking and you were diffusing it, it's not hard to grab your friend by the, I would have done it, by the collar, the neck, headlock.
00:48:17
Speaker
What the fuck is wrong with you? you're yeah like If you're really screaming obscenities at somebody's mom, at a lady, doesn't forget who is it, right? It's just some lady. I would grab my friend in a headlock and say, what fuck? Totally. yeah We're going outside.
00:48:31
Speaker
This is stupid. I'll punch you myself. Right. As a friend. So I don't buy that for a second. When people say they're diffusing it, bullshit. Yeah. Okay. And if there is video, I bet you they'll be seen...
00:48:42
Speaker
But I would argue that jerry if families, if the families of the players were there. Yeah. Right. You have to, you have to presume yeah that on some level there were some hockey moms or some fathers who are parents of these players who probably did try to diffuse the situation because they're not going to let one of their peers get abused by one, some like umly assaulted by some 21 year old asshole who's drunk in a bar. Jessica, Jessica.
00:49:11
Speaker
If you're in a bar with Sam and I'm there with Evan yeah and we meet the other opposing team yeah and there's still bad blood from the ice and this team, not even talking about regular Joe and they're harassing the shit out of you. Yeah. Yeah.
00:49:26
Speaker
i come over i'm not going i grab you like well I come over and I grab you. and you. And I said, let's go. Right. Let's go. Right. And I know you're saying this is, I think this now happened, not in the bar. Maybe it happened, it started in the bar. It started in the bar, but it spilled outside. Spilled out to the street is what it sounds like. Still the whole time it's like, let's just go.
00:49:46
Speaker
Let's just go. It's drunk because as a parent, as a parent, let me just say that, right? Yeah. As a parent. You and i know what's at risk for our kids. Oh, 100%. Not as superstars. Totally. Now, if we have a superstar kid, we are so acutely aware of all the people who are trying to take advantage of that child that I'm definitely grabbing that kid and getting in the car and just leaving like and not engaging.
00:50:17
Speaker
right yeah So this is my thing. this like This goes back to poo in the bag. right Because it's like yeah the poo in the bag incident that we talked about didn't happen without parents participating.
00:50:29
Speaker
In the event. So again, it goes back to like, your parents are there, you're at a bar, things are getting out of hand, you can grab the kid and go. It doesn't need to escalate. and I'm not taking sides. Okay, I'm just saying people are assholes, both sides, things happen fast. Yeah. and help and And I normally wouldn't defend the action of yeah of punching someone twice. I mean, yeah I wouldn't normally defend that. I, you know, I just think that there's, and I said this last night to Sam because he sent me the story I had. I was like on my way to meet, uh, someone for dinner that I hadn't seen in a long time.
00:51:01
Speaker
And, okay um, he sent me the story on the train and I was like, wow, this is really sad because it's just a lot of trouble that, you know, a kid who really had his future like on the right tracks.
00:51:14
Speaker
Yeah. Does, you know, just didn't need it. Um, you know, and, and the thing is, is, you know, I normally wouldn't defend it. yeah And I normally don't defend violence unless it's actually on the ice. right like you know You want to fight on the ice, fight on the ice. That's the game. fine right Although this particular time, you know as details start to roll out for the story, you know and and you will get more details this unfurls, right? For sure.
00:51:44
Speaker
I feel like, you know, the kid who took it in the face is not innocent. He's not. No, no, Deserves it for sure. He's not unworthy of of being silenced or shut up in that moment. And i you know, i feel like.
00:52:01
Speaker
But nothing to lose. Right. He had nothing to lose. That's the thing, right? and And you know what? To a degree, that might be the exact reason that he picked Gavin McKenna. Totally. Out of all those guys, right? and and lets And let's presume he didn't have any money running on the game. I'm looking at a photo of him right now. He looks like a yeah he looks like a total schmuck.
00:52:19
Speaker
Here's the other thing, right? I can guarantee... i mean I'm pretty good with people and faces, right? Yeah. Okay. Gavin McKenna is not yet a household name in the NHL. No. Okay.
00:52:31
Speaker
So if I went, if I happened to stumble into a bar with Gavin McKenna after a Penn State game, who's there with friends, but I wouldn't know it's Gavin McKenna. Yeah. Myself. Right. So this guy If he does that, he clearly knows it's Gavin McKenna. Right. Clearly knows his family. That's his mom. Yeah. Because he's seen pictures. Right? So this guy 100% deserves to get socked in the mouth. But that's not the issue. The issue is if you're Gavin McKenna and you're with friends, family, players, agents, whatever else it is, you need to grab him and disappear. Life is, you know,
00:53:10
Speaker
If his life is like this now, think about what his life is like going to be when he's making $6 million dollars a year and playing for an NHL team. you tell You're an even bigger target. Yeah, but then he's not he's not hanging out in a college bar.
00:53:22
Speaker
I don't know about that. well i mean Lady at 18, 19, 20. No, he's not hanging out in a college. Listen, if he's drafted and he goes and he's in the NHL, he's not hanging out in a college bar. You don't think he goes back to Penn State to visit friends i don't and hang out with the crew and go to the local bar?
00:53:40
Speaker
I don't think so because I feel like here's what I think. mistaken yeah No, because what I think is, is I think that once you once you cross over that boundary to NHL, you know that you know and your people who you are surrounded by a lot more people at that point, right? Yeah.
00:53:55
Speaker
Your people explicitly tell you yeah you can't go and hang out in those environments. Yeah. He's an NHL guy. You can't go back. I'm telling you, none of them go back that way. They invite their friends yeah to come visit them. yeah yeah maybe Maybe they go back at some point later on. They go back to the arena. They go back to see the coaches. They go back to see the team. But you will never catch one of those guys in a college bar at State College, Pennsylvania, hanging out with randos in a bar.
00:54:23
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It won't happen. Because they're no longer, they're no longer, I'm telling you. I'm telling you. It's a fame thing more than anything else. I i know it exactly what you're saying. When you know famous people, you know that they don't do that shit.
00:54:37
Speaker
They do not do that shit. We're not talking about George Clooney and Brad Pitt who can't walk down the street without like 10 million cameras, right? But you're talking about... NHL guys are pretty... They're not recognizable unless you're an avid hockey fan. They are recognizable at the universities that they come from, at least during the tenure of what would be their education there. And so they don't go back.
00:54:58
Speaker
Not during that time. just that you underestimate the... i went back to I went back to Penn State to say hi to the coach and watch a game. It's now, I stayed for the game. Some of these guys are my old teammates, best buds. like our our It's like junior hockey. like Our boys will play junior hockey, have best buds.
00:55:16
Speaker
And one of them is still at college. And hey, dude, let's go get a drink down the street and hang for a bit. And I think... As 19, 20-year-old, even NHL player, you're like, yeah, dude, let's do it. like good old like that like For old times' sake, let's go it. And then it should happen. I think that this story is exactly why they're always advised not to do that. know i I didn't say they're not advised. I'm the one who said like his mom, his agent, his coach – He shouldn't, even in today's world, he shouldn't have been at that bar. Right, but but he goes to that was he goes to that school, right? My point is, is when they're not at that school anymore, yeah I don't believe that they go against that advice go back and hang out in bar. you know how many do you know how many like new York Ranger guys go to like...
00:56:04
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ours her own madison square garden but that's not But that's not State College
00:56:13
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news we're talking about going back to an environment with completely and totally under underdeveloped frontal cortex people Like where bad decisions are the norm. And I'm not saying that doesn't happen in a regular bar. Yeah. But but these guys, they I don't believe that they go backwards and go hang out in their college bars. not at least Not at least when they're drafted. I think you'd be surprised. I'm going to have to ask around. i have I have some people that might know the answer to this that would have a better idea than me. think it's just a normal occurrence. And remember, he didn't walk in there by himself.
00:56:50
Speaker
No, He's dead with friends and family. so So it's completely plausible to go back to watch a game and say hi to your coach that a few team members and your family and your agent, hey, let's go back to, let's go down the street and get a quick drink before we head head back to wherever it is, the airport.
00:57:08
Speaker
You're going to go. i mean, the thing is like, my point is like, you can't escape real life Even if you're like Conor bedar conor Bedard or Conor McDavid, you don't escape your life. you You grew up in a small town. You went to school in a small town. You go back to college all time. You have friends. you're not goingnna I'm not like, I'm uppity. No, i sorry, guys. I can't go back to State College and hang out with you at a bar because I'm Mr. Gavin McKenna, $12 million year guy. If your good friend is still living there or teaching there or coaching there, you're going to go. Yeah, i don't know. You're going to go. And you have to have your wits about you. He'll be more mature. He'll understand. Like, look, in 10 years, if this happened again in 10 years, he would know to walk away.
00:57:50
Speaker
Yeah. right I don't know. that's But again, that's my point. right but that's when i'm there with adults Right. But that's what I'm saying about not going back to like hang out in a college bar while you're still young and an NHL draftee.
00:58:04
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Like, I just don't think I don't think the people and the powers that be, including the, you know, whatever team he ends up for allows that to happen. But you can't control it. But you can't. But you can control that. That's little bit bougie you. you can totally control that the same way as they can control what they do in the offseason. They can control everything because they own your ass.
00:58:26
Speaker
They own you. I don't know. It's like every time – you know how every once in a while you get a celebrity musician show up in the subway and they play? you like, what the fuck? It's like you can't – you think the agent wants that to happen? There's no way that person's agent wants to see them walking down the street in the New York City subway playing a free concert for fun. They're doing it out kindness of their heart and it's just maybe a publicity stunt. But like right my point is like shit happens anywhere. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Right, but my point is is that the people and the powers that be in this particular arena do not promote that as normal. Oh, you know what?
00:59:03
Speaker
bet you it's on Calci already. Oh my God, it probably is on Calci already. Is Gavin McKenna, let's see it let's let's here, let's type it in. Gavin McKenna, let's see if it says, will he go to jail?
00:59:16
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That would be a great market to bet on, even though Gavin McKenna, is it not? No. It's not. Is it? It is not.
00:59:28
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it is His name shows up blank. It is not yet... It is not yet on Kelsey. That's interesting. It can't be much long. It can't can't be long.
00:59:39
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He's a big name. It can't be long before that's thrown out. Anyway, I think maybe they wait for the case that show up in court, like February 11th, I think it is. He's due back in court. I actually don't know the court date. I think I saw that this morning. So he's off charge, released, $20,000 bail.
00:59:58
Speaker
And then he has to return, which he will obviously because it's on campus. You're already there. There's no excuse for you not to show up. Right. Right. And return. as Yeah. That's what's probably the argument in front of the judge that you can't lock him up. Yeah. yeah He's not a flight risk. Where's he going to go? Right. so i mean I mean, technically he can go back to Canada.
01:00:16
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That would be a He's not from Canada. I thought he was from Canada. He's from the Yukon. Oh, Yukon. Oh, it is Canada. Yeah.
01:00:26
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Killing me, dude. I don't recognize
Cultural Identity and Reactions to Insults
01:00:29
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that part Canada. He is from Canada. Why? Because it's not Vancouver? It's just so far north. I forgot. i thought was Alaska. then have to wonder, is right is he is his is his family like tribal from that area white No, I know. He looks white. I get it. But you know what? You could, you can marry somebody and genetics can present white and his, you know, one of his parents still be trouble. I have a friend. no I have a friend. Friend's wife is like a quarter, want to say Cree, native Indian. Anyways, Fisher Canada. You can tell.
01:01:05
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I don't, ah you know, it's funny. I don't pay that much attention. and don't pay that much attention to these guys until like something happens. that something like You know what? Okay, here he is. White horse, Yukon.
01:01:22
Speaker
You're right. Proud identifies and as indigenous. See? Yeah. Oh, first nation. Look at so here's So here's the other thing. Is that his or his dad? What the hell is this? His cousin by marriage to Chicago Blackhawks Ford Carter Bedard. Okay. so here's what so So here's my next thing. Yeah.
01:01:41
Speaker
So if he does identify as indigenous... yeah right And again, I'm not excusing violence like ever. But culturally, if he was raised in a certain way because they might identify as indigenous, he may have had less tolerance and less bandwidth for this 21-year-old supposed adult calling his mother a whore repeatedly.
01:02:04
Speaker
Oh, obviously he was triggered. ah Clearly triggered yeah triggered. Clearly. But I can't help but wonder if there's some like cultural relevance because, you know, it does like upbringing, right? Culture.
01:02:15
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All of those things can play a part in how you either react or respond to something as egregious as someone, you know, repeatedly calling your mother a whore. Like it's insane. It's insane that a 21 year old person would do that anyway. Like where is respect your elders, even if you don't know them personally?
01:02:33
Speaker
I mean, like, jessica honestly, if one of Sam's friends fucking called me a whore in a bar, I'd fucking punch him myself. Yeah, but it's not a friend. It's just it's a total stranger. Okay, one of his peers.
01:02:45
Speaker
If I was getting harassed by an 18-year-old calling me a whore repeatedly yeah in a bar, yeah i'd be like, what the fuck, man? be like, who are you? Who raised you? What who who what is this? Well,
01:02:59
Speaker
Listen, but that's my point. Like we're in New York. We see all sorts of weirdos. You've been in bars. I've been in bars. There are some really stupid fucking people in bars. There are stupid fucking people everywhere. as I discovered yesterday. Now you had alcohol.
01:03:16
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So they're really extra stupid fucking stupid. okay And
Celebrities Handling Public Conflict
01:03:21
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and your if you r
01:03:27
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a potential celebrity, you're not punching that person. You already know. You already. And this is like, you know, every once in while you hear of guys like punching paparazzi or pushing the cameras of the way and getting super. And that's like, they, those guys are really out there to, they want you to punch them. Like they want you to do something so they can capture and capture and make money off you. Sure. They're baiting you for shit. Yeah.
01:03:49
Speaker
And but that's your part of your job and you've been trained in media, trained in blah, blah, blah. Okay. Whatever. Right. like I still think regular Jessica, fiery, fiery Long Island Jessica. Oh, you had to put my origin story on there, I see. Okay. Okay, just to get people to understand.
01:04:07
Speaker
Fiery Long Island Jessica. No stereotypes allowed. Okay, yes. is not punching somebody in face if they call you a whore. You're like, it's just like, there's so many other things yeah you're going to fire back at that person. Well, I would probably laugh.
01:04:19
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Actually, youre looking whatever it is the truth of the matter is, is I would probably laugh. And the reason I would probably laugh is because I'm the bigger asshole who knows that laughing is going to make that person more angry.
01:04:31
Speaker
Let me call me a whore. I'll call your mom a whore. Oh, no. I'm just going to laugh. I'm just going to laugh. Like one of those psychotic, jokery, yeah you know, like I'm the joker kind of laughs. But, you know, I mean, look, like I said, again, asshole, yelling insults your mom.
01:04:47
Speaker
You lost a game. You're drinking. Yeah. You're already angry. Yeah. Yeah. Right? Maybe. they probably land lady they You're already angry because you've lost to Michigan State. You're betting guy. You lost. You have people. You're trying to just drown your sorrows a little bit. Like, I can't be fucking lost to Michigan State.
01:05:03
Speaker
and And then some guy is just like barking at your mom. i Look, i'm um I'm with you. It's not hard to just turn around say, you think I haven't been in a situation where I really want to punch the guy in the face. But then you look and you're like, well, I got kids. So they're going to sue me. And, you know, this is not going to look good. it's just It's a no win for me. As much as the guy deserves a punch in face, it's a no win for me. I've always been taught, by the way, my entire life.
01:05:25
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um yeah And not just by, you know, the the people that I was surrounded by all the time, but like other people that i had met along the way. Yeah.
Transition to Dad Jokes
01:05:32
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To never throw the first punch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like you never do it, right? You just, you wait. And if it becomes a physical altercation, you let the other person take the initiative.
01:05:41
Speaker
And you let them, and you let them punch first because. It's to people in the street all time just like shoving. You hit me. No, you hit me. No, you me because nobody, because everyone knows the first punch is the guy that's going to be at fault when the cops show up, right? That's exactly right. You bear responsibility for escalating what would be, you know, an argument, I guess, for lack of a better description. You're the one responsible escalating to physical violence.
01:06:03
Speaker
Yeah. All right. yeah Anyways, we're an hour and five into this. We didn't get to the other sidewalk story we need to get to. That's all right. It's time to end this one. Maybe we can continue the second episode in a minute, but let's let's let's let's go with the dad jokes. Oh, Jesus. That we always end with. Oh, my God. Jessica. All right, fine. Okay. Wait, let me get the stupid Jeopardy music on low. Here we go.
01:06:28
Speaker
I always feel like I'm quizzed. There's a quiz. Well, I'm happy to answer them if you dig them up. Wait, is there a different category of stupid mom jokes? I have. I think I'm going to look. Oh, there might be. You know what?
01:06:40
Speaker
Put that on the to-do list. I'm going to put it on my list. Stupid mom jokes. Oh, right. yeah Well, you got two out of three last time, so you're on a roll. Yeah, a week ago. I think you get this one.
01:06:51
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I'm giving you some easy ones, some some puff pieces. Okay. Okay. Why did the cookie go to the nurse?
01:07:03
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Why did the cookie go to the nurse?
01:07:12
Speaker
I'll give you a hint. nope I will give you a hint. I'll give you a small hint. The cookie is going to the nurse because it doesn't feel well, right? It feels crummy.
01:07:23
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oh Ah!
01:07:27
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oh i give it away i i feel crummy okay this is not a good one okay it i don't i don't i must be on the page where it's all food what do you call a dancing cow what do you call dancing cow
01:07:51
Speaker
If only people could see the video of us doing stupid shit. Seriously. we should Maybe we should start videoing. You're too lazy to edit that.
01:08:04
Speaker
I need a buzzer. I need a buzzer sound a bit. All right. What do you call a dancing cow? I'm going with... You call a dancing cow milkshake.
01:08:22
Speaker
Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Shake it, shake it. Oh, my God. I don't even know. That's not the right thing. I have no idea what sign of it to give you.
01:08:33
Speaker
You got two for two. I know. This is nuts. Let's see if I can get my streak. A milkshake. That was freaking awesome. ah It was so much pressure. I'll end with one that I didn't really want to give you.
01:08:48
Speaker
Because it's going to make me look foolish? Because really stupid. okay But what did the farmer say when he bought two ducks and a cow? Oh my.
01:09:00
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but I promise everyone who's listening, I'm sorry. is We've got one hour, eight minutes. Thank you for listening. Story's gone on so long. We're going to end it right here. I promise. What did the farmer say when he bought two ducks and a cow?
01:09:14
Speaker
Oh my God. This is so dumb. Okay. I'm going to end your misery. No, no, no. No? No, no, no, no, no. I need another, like, second. Okay.
01:09:24
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He bought. Now he has milk. Mm-hmm. I'll give you that. And quackers. Oh! ah three for three You have dumbed down yourself to my level.
01:09:37
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Yes. What did the farmer say when he bought two ducks and a cow? Now I have quackers and milk. That's so funny. That's actually really cute. That's really cute.
01:09:49
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thought it was pretty good. right That is very cute. Okay.
Conclusion and Listener Engagement
01:09:52
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Everyone, thank you for your patience. That was a ah good one. We'll have obviously ah Gavin McKenna. Everybody wants to know. Hockey people to sure there'll be an update. Next week. Next few episodes. where're We're running like two or three episodes. Sorry, weeks in advance. And I'll tell you all about bullying story. So time this out, we'll definitely have the outcome of the court case, I think.
01:10:13
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um And Jessica's sidewalk story. All right. Thank you. Laters, everybody. Bye. Well, well, well, you made it to the end.
01:10:23
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