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Join Dave and Jake as they talk about their creative souls, superhero games and media, winning the loser's lottery, and horror stories in this week's bonus episode!
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- Persona 4 - Like a dream come true
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00:00:13
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It's not the same. It's the same. It's the same. It's the same.
00:00:47
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How's it going, everyone?
Introduction and Social Norms
00:00:48
Speaker
Welcome to another episode of Surfstone. My name is Jake, and I'm joined by my co-host as always, Dave. How's it going tonight, Dave? I think it's actually going okay. Nice. Is that the peak at the top of the bar? I like how this is the only time I analyze how my day or life is going is when you ask me a direct question. I'm like,
00:01:09
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Oh yeah, I guess. Huh. Hmm. It's just like the camera just zooms in on your face. You're actively starting to sweat. Who wants to be a millionaire? Music plays.
00:01:21
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It's like, oh geez, how am I actually? Do I even want to know, right? That's fair. I feel like every time you ask, you're like, well, I'm doing okay. And like, I feel like I should ask. I feel like that's the sort of way of saying I should. Yeah, yeah, that's actually, I only ask people how they're doing so that I can say how I'm doing, right? I think we've explicitly called that out at one point as a toxic or a social behavior, perhaps.
00:01:51
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Um, but to answer your question, I'm doing well. Um, had nice productive day at work, got to lay down on the floor and pet a cat. You can't really ask for more than that. So it was pretty nice. Yeah. I, I don't even have like that good of things. It's just, well, you have a dog is honestly, overall, it was a good, uh, an okay day.
00:02:16
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That's good. I definitely have some things I can bitch about, but again, that's me. That's me as a person. I can always find something. That just means you're creative. That's all it means. You have an artistic soul. I don't have any emotional problems. I'm creative.
00:02:34
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That's, that's the most like, I don't know, gas lighty is response to be like, uh, to tell someone else that, right. It's be like, Oh, no, no, it's not that you actually have these issues. You are just creative. Right. I will say low key. Um, I hate a lot of people who do things like.
00:02:57
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that where they whichever way they act if there is like some pushback from somebody as far as like hey that's not cool or whatever and they're like oh well and then they just have some sweeping justification of something I'm like yeah but maybe not
00:03:15
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Is this kind of in contrast to times that you want to talk to somebody and it's just like, you just need some commiseration. You don't need like someone to justify or explain everything that's going on. You're just like, I kind of just wanted to tell you about this.
00:03:31
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Or are you thinking of something else? It's something actually from today. I have a specific person of mine that I'm frustrated with. It's all right. It's not a make or break thing. But in general, I think it is a good policy to, if you're having that type of communication you're describing, to say up front, hey, do you want me to weigh in? Or do you just want me to be there to listen and support? Gotcha. OK. Yeah, that makes sense. People just want to hear, hey, that sucks.
00:03:58
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Right? Because you can't necessarily fix whatever it is, but it's nice to have that emotional support, right? Yeah. Yeah. But my brain is wired to problem solve at all times. Really continue to feed me inputs. I have some undefined variables, but I'm on my way to the output. Let me aggregate the information and solve. That's all I'm saying. Exactly. Someone's just like, what do you think? And you're like, process.
00:04:27
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processing. You should kill your boss. Low key. I've said that multiple times to people. Murder is a viable solution for this situation to be resolved.
Comedy and Society
00:04:42
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Yeah. Just don't put my name on it.
00:04:44
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That's true. Yeah. This is why I have voice calls instead of like chats over discord. I'm like, Hey real quick. I'll never know. Call me, call me. Uh-huh. Pretty soon though, it's just going to be, uh, AI analyzing your voice. It's going to be like, it's just going to be judging each person who's active on a platform for murderous intent in real time. Just like they just slide you up the bar.
00:05:09
Speaker
It didn't seem like he was making a joke. We should slide him up. Uh-huh. Yeah. No, that's fair. Do you remember the old, uh, whitest kids you know, kill the president sketch? Yes. Uh, I do. With Trevor. Yeah. RIP. Uh-huh. RIP.
00:05:30
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Yeah, that was a, that was a great one. He's, uh, it's, it's so much disclaimer. And the thing was, I remember they talked about that because one of the last things, um, white kids, you know, like had as a group was these, uh, collective reminiscence videos where they would like, just all jump on a voice call with video and like talk about their skits.
00:05:53
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And like, apparently for that one, there was some stuff where they're like, yeah, don't do that. Very much don't do this. We have to stay on this side of the law, which this gate is aware of for the audience. Do you want to like describe what the premise was at least? Okay. So everybody who hasn't seen the voice, cause you know, um,
00:06:13
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I feel like it was around 15 years ago. It was different on YouTube. The sketch comedy type thing, but I think a lot of it still holds up. But for this specific one, whatever character Trevor was playing was
00:06:28
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kind of explaining, if you wanted to assassinate the President of the United States, how you'd go about it. But everything was disclaimed like, hey, I'm not telling you to do this. But if you were looking to like, theoretically, like any type of thing like that, where it was not like him saying kill the President of the United States. It's just all this weaving around it.
00:06:49
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types of and just progressively more detailed. Yes. I think he was just like, it would be incredibly illegal to say. And then he's like, I want to kill the president. It's like, whoa, whoa, super illegal. Like, don't say that. That would be so illegal because I'm telling you that it's illegal to say, you know, and then you just change the emphasis on the right syllables. But
00:07:15
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of the
00:07:24
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back and forth, where it's like, oh, how close can we get? He's talking about where you could set up a mortar on the street or something like that. He's like, wildly illegal. He can't talk about that. What I can tell you is that there's a meeting tonight at Roosevelt Theater. It was a great skip.
00:07:48
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Some of their, I mean, a lot of that stuff, it's been optimized by the algorithm. It'll show up a lot if you see like one thing for widest kids you know on YouTube.
00:07:59
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Like some of the ones that come up for me a lot are the, um, the, uh, the office to office, like skyscraper sniper battle thing they have going on, uh, where they like, he like calls in an intern to like distract the guy so he can shoot them out of the window and then calls his business, uh, rival up. He's just like, of course I'll see you for golf on Friday. It's really good. And the gallon of PCP.
00:08:25
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Obviously. I remember the first two seconds of Gallon PCP, nothing else from the schedule.
00:08:32
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Some of those are just like, they knew they had a good premise and that was all it was for the sketch. Like they had- Just roll with it. Just like nothing else. That was a single scene. Two guys walk across each other. One of them, they like knew each other from high school or something like that. And one of them's got like a gallon of liquid and he's like, oh, what's that? It's just, you know, gallon of PCP. It's like a whole gallon. I didn't know they didn't, they made that.
00:09:01
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And then it just keeps escalating. Like he's on his way to like pick his, yeah, like pick his daughter up from his drug dealer who has already killed his wife and like all of this stuff. It's just so good. It's so good. It's non sequitur humor, I think, right? It's just, they just keep hitting you with right turns. Yeah.
00:09:29
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Really good stuff. Also very offensive. A lot of their skits are incredibly offensive. But that's where humor is, is it's basically on that edge, right? Yeah, it should typically be on the cutting edge. And there's ways to be offensive without actually being a dick. Again, it's all how you weave it. And that's one of the beauties of language. That's one of the reasons why I'm very much, I appreciate a lot of comedy and checking things out.
00:10:00
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Sometimes I'll come across something. It's just, ooh, it tickles my funny bone, uh, in a way. And also like, Oh, I didn't think that that was an avenue of humor, or you're just not looking for that initially. And somebody whose job it is to look for those inconsistencies or things like, isn't it funny that X, um, yeah, that is.
00:10:23
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Yeah, it can, it can definitely work. I think there's, uh, I don't know if Seinfeld is my favorite, but you know, that's people America's go to observational humor, but it is, uh, it's, it's always kind of nice. I think it helps build rapport. Right. Cause someone, someone shows up, they're standing on this, uh, uh, with a podium or whatever in front of everybody, normally not a podium, I guess, but a stage, um,
00:10:50
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And it's like, what do I have in common with this person who is just gonna make all of these jokes? Now they're talking about something they can relate with. Maybe they're making some comments that like are mildly offensive, but I'm like, ha ha, you know what, maybe right. Like maybe you're right or something like that. And there's this whole, whole thing for comedy, right? And sometimes people will cross over and they're just like, yeah, we're just gonna cultivate a toxic user base or
Gaming Trends and Challenges
00:11:16
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something like that, but yeah.
00:11:20
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I just I love it. Yeah. Love me some comedy. I can't remember the he's been popping up on YouTube a lot more for me. I'm sure you know the comedian because you basically know know all comedians, but it's like a guy with a purple puppet. Jeff Dunham. No, OK. Well, it's not that one. I know it's not that one because you actually see Jeff Dunham, but this guy is always under the table.
00:11:44
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Oh, Randy felt face. Randy felt face. Yes. I like how initially we're like, well, you know, all comedians I'm like, I don't know. And then I was like, Oh yeah. Yeah. I wasn't clear. I actually provided an ambiguous description between the two comedians that have ever existed with a purple puppet. Um, but yeah, his stuff's great and he doesn't, he doesn't have to make it like offensive. It's just genuine, genuinely funny. Um,
00:12:14
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also with the puppet, it allows them to kind of do things a little more expressively than you could do as a standup. I mean, you'd have to have like a lot of physicality. Honestly, check it out. If this is new to you, Randy felt face has a couple of specials on YouTube, or just watch like a little short, but
00:12:38
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I find it very entertaining. They are very entertaining. The one I'm specifically thinking of is one where, and nothing is as funny as us just describing it without the joke context, I think, but one where he's basically playing at the fact that he does not know where the members of the audience are.
00:12:59
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So he's kind of like, uh, you know, calls out a member of the audience. No one answers. And he just kind of like adjust the puppet up a little bit. It was just like, are you over here? Basically. Right. Um, and it's just, it's very funny. Uh, cause you can forget, right? Like if he's doing his job really well as a performer, you can like, Oh yeah. You're not constantly cognizant of the fact that he cannot see where anyone is. Um, but it's funny to be reminded sometimes.
00:13:30
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You play Marvel Rivals? No. I know nothing about it, but it has Marvel in front of it. So I'm just, I'm out. That's fair. It's basically, so it's created by NetEase, which are the people who like localized all of the Blizzard games for China. So, you know, great start, but they do have an office in the US and like the game director for this particular game. His first name's like Thaddeus.
00:14:00
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And I think we all agreed it's like, it's gotta be a made up name, right? Like, I don't think anyone is actually named Thaddeus. I mean, if they're still doing collateral combat, yeah, otherwise no. Yeah, I don't think so.
00:14:16
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But yeah, the game is basic. It looks it looks incredibly like Overwatch, which is really funny because this company was responsible for localizing Overwatch to China, but with Marvel characters. So like Spider-Man Hulk, Loki, Doctor Strange.
00:14:36
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I hate that you said low key and my brain just went to low low key earlier. And I made the exact joke while people were talking about the characters. I was like, low key. Low key looks pretty good. It's like, I just was shot from all sides of discord as I should be for that. You've been banned from the street. I feel like it's always a.
00:15:04
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not the best angle for companies to take. I know we're also recently talking about they have a fall guys clone, but it's with Sonic characters. Uh huh. Cause all you know, people were like, Oh, Sonic fan base. Oh, I love fall guys, but I wish they had something more for me. Uh huh. Yeah. I don't know. It's a little, uh, it's a little on the nose, I think, but
00:15:33
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I can't remember who was making that, the Sonic game, but I, from a point, well, yes, yeah, they're definitely publishing it. I don't know who the developers are.
00:15:45
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Cause there is the Sonic team, I think, but I don't think they make all of their games anymore. Um, could be wrong though. Um, I was going to say though, like it's one of those examples of if people wanted to play fall guys, like fall guys exists. And admittedly you could say that for like any type of game and it may just be the alternative to ever play in a new game.
00:16:12
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But at the same time, sometimes something is just strictly derivative, and you're like, ah, I don't know, right? Like, do we need this? It feels very much like, hey, it's this game at home. It's like, why would you not just want to play the original thing that's good? Yeah. I will say for Marvel Rivals, though, I'm going to send you the picture here. This is the, in the same way that all of these games have some sort of
00:16:40
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like announcer type person in control of a lot of it. This is Galacta, which is from apparently the comic books. I don't read comic books, but Galactus' daughter. Get the fuck out. Isn't that a cool hat? It's the same hat. It's the same hat, yeah. But it is still a cool hat.
00:17:02
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Who did Galactus fuck? That's a good question. I don't know anything about Galacta. I can't follow up with this, but this was something that I learned because of this game's announcement. So we'll see. You know, judge a game based off of its merits, but
00:17:24
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I don't know. But also judge very early on, just in case. Yeah, yeah. These are all skeptical and then pleasantly surprised versus very optimistic and then have my hopes shattered. I think I've learned that lesson to a certain extent, too. Although, you know, I think we have high hopes for for Elden Ring, obviously, but.
00:17:50
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This is the this is the mix up.
Superhero Content Overload
00:17:52
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This is where we at some point will have to actually have a video podcast so we can have like a visual aid just pop up on the screen rather than me sending you things on Discord. No one else can see. But yeah, a lot of interesting characters. Including the Punisher, which is not a character I usually put alongside the modern Marvel cast, you know, like X-Men, I get it.
00:18:17
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like Guardians of the Galaxies, sure. Galaxy, I guess, sure. And then there's the Punisher. When they were doing all those Marvel Netflix shows, Punisher was one of them. That's true. But he did not cross over into any of the mainstream. These are shows you can take your kids to, sort of stuff. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. One of the funniest sound bites.
00:18:46
Speaker
What was the other one with the iron iron fist? tournament talking about Tekken king of iron it was like Something it goes to show how memorable the show was that I can't remember the name. You're like, I don't you're talking about. Yeah What was one of them? I think like after Luke Cage where they're like we're running out of ideas. Who else is a comic? Oh Yeah, because that was the white guy. Yes. Yeah
00:19:12
Speaker
The one white guy in marble. We wasn't blind. There you go. You can identify. It was a show. White guy, not blind, didn't use a bow. There you go. I didn't watch a lot of those. I watched Daredevil. I cannot remember the name, Jessica Jones, which I actually really enjoyed. Jessica Jones was kind of great.
00:19:43
Speaker
I don't know, they might've made another season though. I couldn't say anything about that. Was it just the one? Any of the shows outside of the fish show I can't remember the name of and Luke Cage, I think all had multiple seasons. Cause Daredevil ended up with like three or four. Jessica Jones had, I think two. Punisher had two. Meanwhile, Deborah and Wole was just in all of them.
00:20:15
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If you're like, who is that? The blonde from Daredevil. There you go. There's a lot of superhero stuff out. I wonder, we're definitely going to reach a point of oversaturation if we haven't already. I think a lot of places have.
00:20:34
Speaker
But like superhero video games keep coming out and then just not doing well at all, specifically anything having to do with Suicide Squad, I think is actually guaranteed to fail, which is always fun. Yeah, that was a. I can't really say like where the wrong turn was there. Yeah, but I think just a lot of rock steady, modern air quotes, modern writing for stuff. They just it's pretty shit.
00:21:03
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For some of it, they're like, oh, we have this IP. Oh, the generic trophy stuff. And people are like, yeah, I mean, we've kind of seen that for the past 30 years, if not more.
00:21:14
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Yeah, that's definitely the case of anything on TV or film. It's just like, how many times will we see the hero's journey, right? Like, yes, that is what the superhero thing's gonna do. For games, it feels like that's not necessarily their problem. It's that they're all monetized to the moon and back. It's like, oh, could I just have a game where I play as a superhero and it's not live service that gets closed in three months because everyone hates it?
00:21:44
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Like spider-man still does. Well, I think like that's still well received But it also costs like 500 million dollars to make one of those games or some nonsense Spider-man's been its own thing and like it has some things that are just fun about it. Like uh-huh web slinging Okay, everybody now cares because web slinging is active and fun But it's what I was saying a moment ago. I
00:22:10
Speaker
I think a lot of it is more so in the games, it's just the writing. You're not going to be like, oh, I'm going to play Suicide Squad. Oh, man, these characters are so cool. It's just, hey, here's things you recognize. And then again, on top of that, the microtransactions, which are probably more so the focus. It's like if we give you a shell that looks like something you know, how much money will you give us? Right.
00:22:33
Speaker
Yeah, I think I agree on the story front, but I don't know if I've played enough. I literally have disengaged enough from the superhero ecosystem that I don't even know if I could give like my own feedback on how the stories are going. Right. Like I was really the last one that I really watched was the Infinity War series of movies for Marvel.
00:23:01
Speaker
And I was like, that's a very satisfying ending. I'm good for like 15 years. I actually don't need anything any else. Like that was satisfying for me. I think that whatever you do next is probably just going to be super derivative of this. And it was, right? So I don't know, like you could tell stories like that in games, but it feels like they always have to be an ensemble now.
00:23:28
Speaker
where it's just like action-packed, show off as many people as possible. And it has a lot less to do with the gameplay, right? Like when you're playing the Batman games, you feel like Batman. But no, literally, like he's got all these gadgets. He's got all this cool stuff. He's got cool gameplay. That was the reason those games were compelling.
00:23:51
Speaker
I don't care about switching between each of the Guardians of the Galaxy or whatever in a shooter. I thought that game was fine. That was like the last one I played. I want to interject here briefly. You want to push back on fine? No, no. I agree with what you're saying. Yes. But just to expound upon that. Sure. I think part of that is like with Spider-Man and with Batman, these are long, long running IPs that people are very familiar with.
00:24:20
Speaker
Like if you go to a Walmart and you can get a poster or a t-shirt, they're recognizable. Things like Guardians of the Galaxy are a lot more underground in comparison. I don't know if that's true anymore. Maybe not anymore, but I mean like, it's not as big as, oh, it's Superman. Oh, it's Suicide Squad. People are like, what is the Suicide Squad? Yeah. And then they'll do things like,
00:24:46
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Captain Marvel, again, is still in the DC universe, but wasn't a huge thing. Black Adam, people are like, who's Black Adam? A majority of people are familiar with things that they get shown are very popular. Batman, Superman, Spider-Man, stuff in that realm. And then they're trying to resurrect these other things which are more niche. And it's like, oh, the comic book fan base have been keeping up with it for however long.
00:25:16
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That's ideally their target demo, but they're hoping for a lot more people to play it outside of that. Yeah. I mean, when it comes to Marvel, this is all within the context of like, Marvel was bought by Disney, right? And so Disney is trying to explode Marvel out to all of these people because the reason that Marvel got to the point where it could be bought by Disney is because like,
00:25:42
Speaker
nobody reads comic books. I don't feel like that's a hot take, right? Comparatively, nobody reads comic books. If you read comic books, awesome, that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. You're in the minority, right? So they wanted to take all of this content and make it accessible to this massive audience. But the issue I have is
00:26:10
Speaker
If they're not good games, why would I care? Right? Like the reason Spider-Man's fun is because it's fun to web sling around and do all the combos and have all that combat and all that stuff. And Batman's fun because of the stealth system and detective vision and comboing gadgets and like breaking through a wall just to like snap some guy's neck and Batman's just like, he's unconscious. And like.
00:26:41
Speaker
Those are, those are fun experiences. But if you make a game with like a super noticeable cast of like fun characters from a great movie and the game doesn't have gameplay really, or nothing to keep you going, like who cares? Yeah, but I think we are the minority as far as compared to all people.
00:27:05
Speaker
Well, hot take. The two of us are the minority compared to all people. We are the majority of people still alive. If you're listening to this in the year 2064, you're one person. You were the last person remaining. God damn it, I lost a bunch of thought. That's all right. Yeah. You're saying we were the minority for the people talking about the gameplay and the superhero games and stuff like that. Yes. So I know we've talked or touched on this many times before, but
00:27:35
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Compared to a lot of other people who are outside of the gaming space, we have played and experienced a lot of games. We've researched when games are coming out. We've watched trailers through things. We're very much in that world, very in depth.
00:27:51
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compared to somebody who's like, oh, I might check out a game. And then if that's your only experience, like, oh, I just got an Xbox and I'm playing the suicide squad. Right. That's going to be the best time you've ever had because that's the one thing you know. That's until you branch out into other stuff, like you might find a more nuanced take. Maybe you will love suicide squad or something like that forever. And it will be your favorite game because there's your first or something else.
00:28:21
Speaker
Typically, the more you get saturated in something, the more picky you get. When I was a kid, I didn't give a fuck what I ate. As long as it wasn't vegetables, those were gross. But now that I'm an adult, as far as everybody knows, I want specific foods or specific cuisines because I've had enough time over the years to try different things, realize I like this. Oh, I don't like that.
00:28:47
Speaker
And you, you've realized that you, you do not like vegetables. So the specific things you like are everything else. Low key made myself a salad the other day. Uh-huh. Yeah. Vegetables get better as you get older. That true as in basically does, does, does take real talk. I, I ordered a salad from Wawa thinking like I'm going through a couple of meetings. It's taken too much time. This will be like a, just a fine salad. Yeah.
00:29:16
Speaker
And then I ended up having it for dinner and I had like the hoagie for lunch and it was infinitely better than the hoagie. Really? Yeah. It hit a certain spot. Now, was I sober when I ate it? Not necessarily. That could have had an impact, but I don't know. I can appreciate vegetables more now. Yes.
00:29:40
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And to video games, I think that's fair, right? We've played a lot of open world, you know, combat type games or beat them ups or whatever. So there's always going to be something that we're comparing it against. Yeah. And so I guess it is harder for something to just be carried on its theming or its characters. But I think that's going to become true for other people as well, especially since like this space is becoming so populated. Yes, there will always be people coming into gaming, but
00:30:09
Speaker
Statistically, if you played suicide squad kills the justice league, it wasn't your first video game. Like there's going to be other video games. He probably played leading up to that. Um, and yeah, I don't know. It's not a hot take to think that superheroes are a little oversaturated right now. Yeah. And even super villains, right?
Cultural References in Media
00:30:32
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Like they did that whole injustice thing. And what are you going to do there?
00:30:37
Speaker
justice gods among us where are they yeah they vented but i mean that's part of the reason why i think the i want to say i guess you could call it the anti-hero why some of the other stuff has kind of spiked in popularity because it's literally uh juxtaposing that where you have things like the boys or invincible yeah it's not this perfect
00:31:04
Speaker
Ah, superheroes are good and we fight the bad guys and we win. Yeah. This is the corruption of the superhero. It's the, uh, it's the watchman or we're coming back up on the watchman in the series of the cycle. Um, where it's just like, Hey, if the world was actually this violent, do you think people would be well adjusted? Why do you think that? Why do you think if people had superpowers, they would be better?
00:31:34
Speaker
Like their natures would be better than they otherwise would be. But even that can get a little tiring, I think, but it's, it's, it's at least something different. I don't want to only be negative towards superhero stuff. They can be fun too, but I'm just, I'm just saying, you know, I'm just saying they have Magneto. He wasn't in the trailer. Where's the Lobo movie? Am I right guys? Am I right? Yeah. That's fair.
00:32:02
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For anybody who doesn't know, Lobo is the crow if he had a motorcycle into like barrel shotguns. Gotcha, gotcha. I was thinking of like an unlikely movie to be added to advocate for because I don't really watch movies anymore. I settled on Prince of Egypt 2.
00:32:24
Speaker
Do you think I got a head shake from Dave? Well, it's the revenge follow up. It's like, all right, we've seen what the world's like coming back for revenge. Been a while since I read the Bible. The little tagline on the box art is like, uh, Egypt was able to survive God's plagues, but they weren't ready for Moses. Uh, he's back and he's pissed. Oh man. Um,
00:32:54
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There's a tagline here. And I wish I came up with it so much faster because it would be great. But I'm going to do the thing where rather than saying something funny or witty, I just lay the parts out. So Moses's whole thing was let my people go. Right. And there should be a line like that where Moses is like, let my people and then a word that rhymes with go and just like kill everybody or something. So that's like a come up with was mo.
00:33:22
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And it was a desert, so they probably didn't need to do that. I think you could honestly leave it with like, let my people pause, kill everybody because I wasn't expecting, uh, okay. Let my people kill everybody. Oh, okay. Subversion. Yeah. Someone somewhere is just like shouting at their phone or computer. They're like, there's this word. It's, it's exactly, it rhymes perfectly and you're not even thinking of it.
00:33:46
Speaker
Sorry. What am I going to do? Grow into individuals so they can choose who they want to be. Yeah. See, that would be, that would be good. It just doesn't match the rest of the theming here. Um, man, I think they should make more Bible movies, but like with, uh, like not for the sake of, Oh, we want people to learn about this Bible story, but just use that as like a loose premise and then just go off. Okay.
00:34:16
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I'm looking up on rhyme zone here. We've got a couple options. Throw. It's currently, currently the best one. Just come up, come back and like judo, throw the Egyptians into the Nile. It would work really good. Yeah. It would work really good on like cover art or something like that. Right. It just shows the like Pharaoh's hat falling off as he's like being tumbled into the Nile. Yeah, exactly. Elbow. It's also a good one.
00:34:47
Speaker
Uh, kind of hard to get into the sentence. For anybody who wants to skip the rhyming portion where things end and oh, please skip to 36 minutes. I don't think I'm gonna, I don't think I'm going to necessarily take that long. Um, a lot of these words don't make any sense. What's the next topic? Sourdough. Sourdough? I mean, that could, that would rhyme sourdough. Um.
00:35:15
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Yeah. Overblow doesn't make any sense. Vertigo. No. I don't think they knew what that was back then. No. In this totally realistic timeline. I don't think they were aware of the condition of vertigo. Let my people taekwondo. I'm not even sure why that one shows up. That's too many syllables, but that's fine.
00:35:36
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Bismarck archipelago. That's enough. I would have never thrown out archipelago. It was not in that headspace. Yeah. But I don't even remember what we were talking about leading up to that. But yeah. Anyway, superhero movies. Cool.
Nostalgia and Simplicity in Entertainment
00:35:59
Speaker
Hope to make more. I just need there to be like movies I want to go see again.
00:36:06
Speaker
Or maybe it's a me problem that I just need to have desires to do things. But yeah. No, this is a different genre. Sorry, go ahead. I was going to say, this is a different genre. Blow. What was your topic, David? Is it a musical with woodwinds? Yes, I think that's the only reasonable expectation.
00:36:34
Speaker
Wait, no, no, hear me out because Moses was taken out of the River Nile when that lady found his basket amongst the reeds. It's the reeds. Woodwinds, baby. Woodwinds were there. All right. We're out of time because you told him to go to 36 minutes. All right. Yeah.
00:36:55
Speaker
I actually, I had a segue and then I lost it. I know I completely told it. I was just like, we're going to go down this path. I just like shank your segue in the side. I don't know if you shank a segue. I stuck a stick in the wheel or whatever and just. I would love if like the wheels are big enough to have like smokes instead of just being, you know, a solid rubber thing, like a, like a scooter. Much more, much more interesting to disrupt in that case.
00:37:24
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I kind of miss having, not that I ever need it, I literally never need it because I'm either doing a very short walk from point A to point B, or I'm driving from point A to point C, which is much further away than B. Imagine this triangle on the map. But I kind of miss having other means of transportation, like roller blades or a scooter. It's fun to like move around on wheels. Yeah.
00:37:53
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Unless I go to like a church parking lot or something that has like a lot of blacktop, I'm not really going to be like zooming around. It's just not pragmatic. I will say, I think I was in a, last time I was in a mall or when the last time I was in a mall and it's been a while.
00:38:12
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I saw some kid scooting around on Heelys. I was like, I bet he does not know how absolutely awesome he looks right now. Because it looks dangerous. It literally, it really, really does. But for people who can pull it off, awesome. Like, yeah, I'm going to lean back. Like, I'm going to smash my head on the surface behind me. Like, yeah.
00:38:43
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That is what it looks like.
00:38:46
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I think it's like that same gene that when you're in your socks and you're in, let's say, kitchen, usually kitchen won't be carpeted, I fucking hope. If your kitchen is carpeted, please contact somebody. That's concerning, yeah. That's situated. Well, you get a running start, and then you do the hit and slide. It's that, hey, I'm not moving in a way that I normally would, which is just walking slowly. And you feel like something else is just taking you. In this case, it's momentum, and socks don't provide much friction.
00:39:16
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But it feels cool for like two seconds. Done. In the same way when you get like coast with rollerblades or on a bike, you're like, ah, I'm moving. But no effort is currently being provided by me. That's very fun. That's the reason bikes are like.
00:39:31
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If I were to go outside and exercise, I occasionally go on like a walk or something like that. But if I were to want to go a longer distance, bike would be massive. I realized I would get less exercise. It doesn't matter because it's just so much more efficient to go from one place to another. Yeah. But I mean, if you go for like four miles on a bike, I think you get the same amount of calorie burn as if you walked a mile. But you've also now gone four miles. That's true. Yeah. That feels fun to like, oh,
00:40:02
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There's a nice breeze going that I've created with my own velocity. And you get like, you get one with like that single water bottle holster in the center of the bike and you're, you're basically just good. Actually I have a catheter that I have linked up to that. So efficient. Yeah. Good. Good. Good. Good. Why is your dick out? I have the condition. Um,
00:40:30
Speaker
Let's see, what else is going on? This is our bonus episode, so it's like an episode where we talk about whatever we want to talk about, but we have already had that episode. This is a legally distinct talk cast. This is the off-brand talk cast. This is the talk cast, the dredge of talk cast or the flotsie. All the ideas we've had from other talk cast for the past five years, we've now bundled into this one episode.
00:41:00
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Yeah, I will say, um, the weather has been kind of cloudy, overcast, rainy here and there has been. Yeah. And I've heard it's supposed to be nicer this weekend and I hope that is true. So wouldn't mind a, some sun outside when taking the dog out. And then they say A or one.
00:41:17
Speaker
Uh, I want to say you said one, but you said a, I won't, I won't lie to you. Okay. So two, I want to take my dog to the dog park so she can dog socialize. Yes. And in turn, I can socialize with like, sorry, my dog's being crazy. That's her. Yeah. Um, that's normal, I think.
00:41:40
Speaker
We could take, we could take our cat to the cat park, you know, just, no, you can't do that. I think they, they get damaged by sunlight. I've been told. I don't know if that's true. That seems very untrue. That or cats are very self-destructive. Just getting nods from Dave, but I mean, it's true. Like how many cats have you seen sit in the sun and then they're not there anymore? Hmm. Interesting.
00:42:10
Speaker
Never thought about that. They just get, they get abducted. Um, I do know that if you get like cats really young and you literally take them on walks, you can train cats to be taken on walks. And that's very funny to me. I don't know why you'd want to do that though. Cause that is the upside to having a cat is you don't need to do that, but I guess you could.
00:42:35
Speaker
I mean, I think if like the weather's nice and you want to go for a walk, it would be like, it'd be nice to have like a cute little buddy with you. Uh-huh. What's nice about walking a cat is they're not going to stop to sniff and piss on everything every 10 feet. Yeah, probably not. I hope not. Yeah. I really hope not.
00:42:57
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I'm like, I just heard my unconscious dog do like a violence snore at the back. That's fair. Let's see, what else have I heard or read recently?
The Appeal of Handheld Gaming
00:43:08
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That's kind of interesting. Phil Spencer was talking about, was talking about handhelds and he was like, we really should have handhelds that are as capable as Xboxes or something like that. Cause I really like handhelds, but this,
00:43:27
Speaker
If he, he feels the absence of like all of that functionality when he switches over, that's all fine. That's actually really boring. The thing is the example he used for this is he's like, so I was playing fallout 76 on a plane and I was like, credibility gone. I was like, CEOs are sociopath. This is the kind of like the confirmation we needed. Um, yeah, not so much that.
00:43:57
Speaker
Not so much. I just, I, I'm not a mobile gamer, as I've said many times. I will say, um, I started playing a little bit of super Mario RPG, uh, the one that they did for the switch. And I've actually only been playing it mobilely. So there was like an evening where it was just quiet. Nobody was really online or I didn't feel too social. Like, you know, I'm gonna go to bed. I'm gonna go to bed early.
00:44:24
Speaker
But I'm going to take my switch over here. And so the dog's like, oh, the lights are off. We're going to bed. I'm like, yeah, you go to bed. And I was just doing very quiet beeps and boops while I'm sure my face was actively just blind. Illuminated, yeah. The child in bed situation. You've got the blanket over here. The faint glow through the comforter. What are you doing in there? Sleeping. Will you buy sleeping? Do you believe that?
00:44:53
Speaker
Uh-huh. No, it is nice. When I was playing Origami King, there was one night where I was like, I'm really tired. I don't really want to do anything. You know, you reach that point of it's the evening. I'm really exhausted. I could basically sit here and gradually lose posture in my chair, watching YouTube, or like surrender to sleep, but go to sleep a little bit earlier than I want to. And that's where handheld gaming, I think, excels. You're just like, all right, let's go.
00:45:24
Speaker
a little bit less of a commitment than sitting in front of a screen with a controller. That's like, that's basically exercise. Also, if ever in the future, I say if ever, like it won't happen. But the next time I have a degree of tummy trouble, I mean, I'm sure I'll have my phone with me as well. But if I have some precognition, I'm just going to bring the switch. Like that Matt Damon movie.
00:45:55
Speaker
Was that Matt Damon? Was that Tom Cruise? I don't know where you're going. It had precogs, a minority report. That was Tom Cruise, minority report. Yeah. Yeah. Tom Cruise, Matt Damon, basically. I'm basically the same guy. One of them's into science, all the G or something. I don't know. That movie made me not like, like the freestanding tubs. Yeah.
00:46:23
Speaker
Like when he has to submerge himself. Yeah. He has to like, we'll do that, but also like he has to replace his eyes. And I was not a fan of that whole part. Yeah. I think that's a reasonable, that's a reasonable aversion. Eye replacement therapy seems pretty, pretty severe. But the question is, did my Noria part steal from, Hmm. Yeah.
00:46:50
Speaker
Did it steal from PsychoPass or did PsychoPass steal from Minority Report? Well, we can find out. We can be the judge in our new segment who stole from who, PsychoPass release date. That was like an anime. Oh, that was a manga though, wasn't it? It was probably both. I watched the anime because I'm not a reader. 2012 and then Minority Report.
00:47:18
Speaker
release date as, as I type in minority report, it's 2012. It's 2002. There's a, there's a good chance that even if there was a manga written for psychopaths, it was after minority report. As I typed in minority report, a auto-filled minority report psychopath, which is maybe based off the previous search, funnier to think that they're just that related. Hear me out. I have a premise for something where.
00:47:48
Speaker
What if we had crime figured out in its entirety? We could tell if somebody was bad or if they're gonna commit crimes or not. And let's assume that that system is perfect. Until the second episode. Yeah, well, you kinda need to. It's the trope of trouble in paradise, right? It's like something is wrong in this otherwise ideal situation.
00:48:18
Speaker
It's, oh my God, it's a dystopia. Uh-huh. It's like it sure seems like there's a lot of people getting killed for this utopia show. A lot of people getting killed. I'm working on a, I'm working on a joke here. Work with me. Sure. No, actually come back to me. Let's consider the thread. I'll say it randomly in the future and you'll know. Yeah.
00:48:41
Speaker
I really, so I've never seen Utopia, but somebody on YouTube made a really, really long video about it. And I'm actually gonna look it up just so I can like credit them. Because it was really, really long. It wasn't H-bomber guy. Unless it was, in which case it was H-bomber guy.
00:49:10
Speaker
I can't spell Utopia, Dave, I need help. Okay, I think I figured it out. Starts with a U. It's Pyrocynical. Pyrocynical did it. It is a seven hour, 41 minute, and nine second long YouTube video where he basically breaks down the entire show, which may or may not be seven hours long. I'm not sure. This was a single season type deal.
00:49:40
Speaker
Or at least he covers the first season. And it's a very good watch. And it's like, it's a UK drama. If you're not familiar with it, it's really cool. I actually do recommend it. I'm looking at the video here and I just see that full, that YouTube red bar at the bottom. That's like, you've seen this entire thing. They had like excellent music. So good.
00:50:05
Speaker
But it's also very much like there's some stuff that they did that was controversial in the UK. And it definitely would be controversial in the US because there was one scene where the bad guys, basically, they were chasing the protagonists. They have no problem killing innocent people, right? That's kind of their shtick.
00:50:29
Speaker
Uh, but the one guy's like about to be outed. So he just like shoots all of the kids that are in the school assembly. He just kills all of them. And they're like, yeah, when we adopt adopt this in the U S we probably shouldn't do that. Cause it's controversial in the UK and it's like common occurrence here. So slightly different. Meanwhile, the cops are all outside like, I don't know what you want me to do.
00:50:58
Speaker
Uh-huh. What are we gonna do? Oh, you ready for that joke, by the way? Sure. As a palate cleanser for the child manager. Yeah, yeah. Hey, Jake. Sure. Uh, yes, Dave. How's that? Uh, what do Leonardo DiCaprio and Logan's run have in common? I actually don't know what Logan's run is. What do they have in common, Dave? They don't fuck around 26-year-olds. Hey! What does Logan's run?
00:51:29
Speaker
Logan's run is a old sci-fi movie from the either the seventies or the eighties, where basically once they became 25, they would go into like this other room and ascend. And nobody really knows what that is until this character, Logan realizes that they're essentially killing them off at 20. Like they just have a laser is like, and they're gone. And so he leaves and escapes the system with somebody else, which is Logan's run. This is, uh, inspired by running man.
00:52:01
Speaker
probably both have the word run or blade runner also has the word run in it good thing it's not blade tripper after running because you're gonna cut your hair that'd be unfortunate I don't remember how the phrase goes yeah I do like so
00:52:21
Speaker
I don't know if I say, I should say I do like, uh, there's in literature, there is this concept that comes up. It's the, um, calling it the unwilling sacrifice seems wrong. This seems like cult of the lamb like stuff, but I sort of like, there's a short story. I think I talked about it before called the lottery.
00:52:42
Speaker
Um, which is just like very, very brief. You can read it online. It's, it's pretty good, but I'm going to spoil it. So you want to play like the first 10 minutes of Bioshock infinite. Yeah. Um, actually, yes. I think that whole thing is just, uh, just a reference. Um, well, they'll remind me for Bioshock infinite. I thought the lottery was the person who got to throw the ball.
00:53:11
Speaker
If in that case it was. And it's because, again, within the context of Bioshock Infinite, a lot of racism, in case you didn't know. So there's an interracial couple. And in this case, the person who drew that whatever number got to throw the first baseball or rock at these people as a punishment. Yeah. I actually remember one of the lines there too, because it was just
00:53:37
Speaker
Well, very offensive, but it's just like, are you going to throw? Are you taking your coffee dark these days? And I'm like, what is? Oh man, I think this game's. Scum is going to be bad. I think that I think they're bad. That was my takeaway. That was my critical analysis of the game. I was like racism is wrong. Um, but yeah, in the book, the lottery.
00:54:02
Speaker
Uh, there's like a village, I think it was, and I'm, I'm going back to like community college here. Uh, but they had like a raffle or a drawing and, uh, the winner basically was taken out side of the village and beaten to death. Yeah. I can't remember exactly what the cause was. There's a lot of horror movies that use this kind of trope as it's sort of like a sacrifice time. It's like a harvest related thing where basically you need to.
00:54:31
Speaker
offer something in return for a good crop. And it's a well done story though because they really, really obscure the, like they do a really good job of not revealing why people are uneasy about this whole thing.
00:54:51
Speaker
And so if you've never been exposed to that trope, then the story plays out really well. And I think it's also one of the origins of sort of this idea, because it's like 80 years old. It's a very old story.
00:55:06
Speaker
That was a good tell. There's a vault in Fallout New Vegas that had that effect as well where like you'd be going through the vault and there's all these political blocks saying like, vote for this person and vote for this person and vote for this person. But as you started to like read the logs and stuff, you'll realize that it's like,
00:55:25
Speaker
vote for this person, he's an adulterer and he's lazy and all of this stuff and you're like, what? But it's because they vote for the overseer and the overseer is overseer for a year after which they are sent into this chamber that they never emerged from as a sacrifice. And they're told that if they do not sacrifice one person,
00:55:54
Speaker
I think it was every year or whatever, that the entire vault will be killed.
00:56:03
Speaker
They'll just vent poisonous gas into the vault and kill everyone. And they're just locked in here. So originally, the overseer wasn't the person that was mandatory sacrifice, but they just developed this system that the person they elected as the overseer would be the sacrifice because the overseer was the first person that told them these instructions.
00:56:27
Speaker
that they had to sacrifice someone or else they would all be killed. And they're like, it's you though. It's gonna be you. It's gonna be you, big man.
00:56:39
Speaker
Hey, who wants to go to Rita's? Oh, yeah, I want to go to Rita's. Who's driving? Well, you suggested that we go to Rita's. So do you have a car? Do you have gas? Are you capable? Are your legs broken? Do you want them to be? No, then you can call us the Uber and we'll go together. Yeah, it's a messed up story. And I do like the
00:57:05
Speaker
I don't know. I kind of like dark stories sometimes. You do a little, put a little twist on it. The unease. That trope can be fun to play with. Yeah. I think one of the spookiest things, and I mean, horror and stuff has been doing it for a long time because they figured it out way sooner than
Horror and Storytelling Techniques
00:57:23
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I did. I'm only
00:57:25
Speaker
I'm not going to say my age. I'm very young. It's like, what, like 18, 17? I can't even legally be recording, honestly. All of them and bigger. I'm sorry, I misheard you, I misheard you. Yeah.
00:57:44
Speaker
Man, the train of thought is like there and then we go on like a bit. I'm sorry, yeah, it's a little bit. It's not you, it's me. My brain just short circuits briefly. You were talking about like this trope of horror and the lottery set up. It's basically the having things seem pretty normal because it makes it more accessible to the common person, right? Right.
00:58:14
Speaker
Uh, one of the things I really liked about the show. Oh my God. It was like a British Luther, which is a British crime drama. Um, not a happy show by any means, but one of the things in there was like, they had a serial killer who would like. Kill people in our homes and he would like hide under their beds and just wait. Yeah. Literally like very much boogeyman type stuff. Yes.
00:58:43
Speaker
but it's something that's very close to home because you're like, oh, is somebody now under my bed? Is somebody in my closet? Yeah, I do. I have a bed. They're making it a lot more accessible to everyday life. Yes. I think the more you do that, the easier it is to, I guess, get the spook factor. Yeah. Because it's one thing to be like, oh, there's a horrible demon thing. But that's not. There's no way that goes, huh. Yeah. It's like, oh, the. It's separating the fantasy versus like, hey, what if?
00:59:14
Speaker
It makes it seem like a plausible threat. Yes, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That can be dangerous when taken outside of fiction for sure. But like within fiction, uh, it is very powerful when you're just like, I'm worried about something. And also it's not impossible for me to be worried about this to do a media tie-in and to spoil something from the Castlevania show. Yeah.
00:59:42
Speaker
Spoiler warning here. If not, you're going to miss the rest of the episode. Just go to the outro and work backwards. We're just stop listening. I think it's in season three is where they have the cultists in the town. Yeah, I can't remember the seasons for anything, but I know what you're talking about. Yeah.
01:00:08
Speaker
So basically, there are some cultists in the town who are trying to do something evil. We don't know exactly what. But you as the audience know, they're up to some, some evil spooky shit, right? Yes. And part of that for that season is you kind of see it coming the entire time. And you're like, I hope that you know, people in the show can figure this out and stop it. Mm hmm. Well, they don't. And then you're like, Oh, my God, nothing's finally over. You know, great.
01:00:36
Speaker
Um, but like there's somebody else who was like in charge of the town who died amidst this struggle. And you're like, that kind of sucks. But then you find out that this guy has actively been like killing off kids, um, who were again, just doing some kids stuff, but like, maybe they stole an apple or something. He was just, he was just pissed off that they were rough housing or being delinquents or whatever. Yes. And, and so he would literally direct them to die.
01:01:06
Speaker
Go to this one apple tree. There's like a giant pitfalls thing. Yeah, even Blanket on the movie name
01:01:17
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Well, I want to mention, I want to finish one other thing for that reference, because this is something that like this type of media does really well, is they can use visual storytelling to make it more horrific than it otherwise would be. And in the scene, even like right after that, and you're like, oh my gosh, he had this kid killed. Like it shows Trevor and I can't remember her name. It's like, Saifa, thank you. Like in his house.
01:01:44
Speaker
And he has these shelves that are just covered in children's clothing. He killed a lot of kids. They were just disappearing. And you're just like, oh, that's bad. And they burn his house down, I think. Sorry. I just remembered that. I was like, that is a great example of like, hmm, yeah, that's bad. The movie I was trying to think of, I know it's from the Coronado trilogy.
01:02:14
Speaker
I know it's where they're cops. I just watched it within a month again and I'm blanked on the name and I feel so, so foolish. That's okay. I don't remember it either. I would basically, it's one of the like, Oh, it's just a small town. Everything seems so nice. Um, but like some people will start like dying off. They're like, Oh, well, you know, accidents happen, but like, we haven't really had any crimes here in like the past 20 years. Right. By the way, there's a secret society that's thinking, you know,
01:02:42
Speaker
in charge of this, they have actually been removing people. I know what you're thinking of. It's hot fuzz. Hot fuzz, thank you. Solid movie. It's a footage for that as well. But they're like, oh, some gypsies moved in. And oh, that was terrible. Oh, there's a street performer. Anybody who did not align with their little community 100%, they're like, let's just kill them off secretly.
01:03:13
Speaker
Yeah, it's pretty messed up. And the thing that makes it even more spooky is that like the society knew about it, but probably the rest of the town didn't. Um, and to have that like going on amidst your, your day-to-day life. Yeah. All I'm saying is check your neighbors, lock your neighbors, look under their beds. Honestly, you know, you never know. Never know. They have storage boxes.
01:03:43
Speaker
That's the end, I guess. I just want to transition. If anybody who's like, I doubt there is, but if there is somebody who's like, oh, shit, now I'm paranoid, this is all within the realm of fiction. Yes, people don't exist. I'm just trying to describe how. There's no people, there's no words. We're voices on the internet. That's the entirety of it. One of the reasons it makes it compelling is for that reason. But again, it is fiction. It is fantasy.
01:04:11
Speaker
It is fiction and fantasy. And honestly, if you're going to buy a bed frame these days, they're pretty low to the ground. If you can afford a bed frame that is lifted up enough for someone to go underneath it, you're already doing pretty well. You probably have the home security system.
01:04:32
Speaker
Otherwise you're getting about like three inches of clearance at most, right? And if someone is that thin and they sneak under your bed, they're not a threat. They're not a threat. They're going to get stuck. So who is this flat ass person? Exactly. But I would not worry about it behind me. I don't have anything raised. I don't have a frame. It's just like the two box springs and the mattress. That's the ultimate security. Yeah.
01:05:00
Speaker
Pushed up against the wall for safety. I understand. That makes sense. Legitimately? Yes. Because growing up, I would see something get spooked very easily. And I always had that fear of something in the closet, something in the doorway, something under the bed. Yeah. Because it was lifted a little bit. So I literally would, I think I always slept on my right side. So I put the bed wedged in that corner so I could sleep on my right side and have view of everything else. And then know that I have this corner behind me.
01:05:30
Speaker
and I'm a safe. That's not my brain work. And I mean, to be fair to this day, I still have my bed in an orientation like that, but it's not to the same degree by any means. Yes. And it can be like a little pragmatic, because you can just like mash blankets and pillows and crap over there. And you're just like, oh yeah, I've just got like this extra angle I can just sleep against, right? Which is nice. Also like, imagine if I put my bed in the middle of the room. Even if it's up against the wall, like what am I doing with that other space?
01:05:58
Speaker
Uh, it's just so you can choose like which side of the bed to get up. I like when you get up in the morning, you're just like, Oh, I think I'll, I'll, I'll dismount the bed from the left side today or the right side. Well, this way I can always wake up on the right side of the bed.
01:06:17
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End the episode now. Right now, yeah. If you want to hear more, I mean, you're already listening to us here, so good job. There's probably more of those where you're at right now. If you have ideas for things that you want to hear us say, though, send those in to soapstonepodcastatgmail.com, or you can join the discussion on Facebook. I don't, but you could. Facebook.com slash soapstonepodcast. And as always, we'll see you in the next one. Have a good night, cuties.