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What does the future of EVs hold? Plus a winter road trip with lessons learned!
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Welcome to the Plug In For More podcast! Mike, Tom, and Bryant are here to help you on your journey to an Electric vehicle future. Each episode we discuss current events, trends, and a specific topic of education related to EV's. We bring together a diverse experience set, and pair it with guests who are experts in the field. For even more information on EV's, check out www.EVUniverse.com.
In this episode Bryant also share his experiences around a 500 winter weather road trip in his Kia EV6. We also talk about the new Tesla exhibit at the Peterson Automotive Museum, and EV highlights from the LA Auto Show.
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EV Updates and Exhibits
00:00:00
Speaker
Welcome back to the plug-in for more podcasts. Today's episode is going to be an overview looking at some of the new updates in the EV world. We're going to talk about the new prototypes and concepts that are coming out at the LA Auto Show, as well as a new exhibit at the Peterson Automotive Museum. And Bryant takes a road trip in his EV6 and some cold weather. I'm excited to be back. I've missed you guys. Aww, missed you too, big guy.
00:00:23
Speaker
Welcome to Plug In For More, brought to you by evuniverse.com. EV Universe is your one-stop shop for all things related to the electric vehicle. Here on this podcast, our goal is to educate, inspire, and hopefully make your transition into the electric vehicle marketplace a lot less intimidating. And now, here are your hosts, Mike, Tom, and Bryant.
00:00:50
Speaker
Can you guys hear me okay? How is my audio? Really good. It sounds pretty good. Does it? Okay. Yeah. It might actually be better than when you're in your house. I was gonna say the same. I might be better. Really? Yeah. Well, I'll just go record in my car. I mean, that's... I don't... The room is pretty echoey and this is like... I feel like a pretty good sound dead name in this vehicle. And maybe that can be your gimmick. You can just sit in your Tesla and bring your good mic and then do your podcast recording in there. Yeah. And bring in the roadster.
00:01:22
Speaker
I think that defeats the purpose, but okay, yeah.
EV Infrastructure: SF vs Midwest
00:01:27
Speaker
So what were you doing in San Francisco? What was that?
00:01:31
Speaker
That was a road trip, but it wasn't in an EV, unfortunately. You guys looking at classic cars, you know, in fun cars, but nothing to do with EVs, unfortunately. I did see quite a few Teslas though, a shocker in San Francisco. It's like every other car, Rivian's everywhere. I mean, it was pretty cool just to see like every hotel I stayed at, I had a charging station. It gave me an idea of like, this is what the future of the rest of the country is going to eventually get caught up with. You know, San Francisco having charging stations everywhere, every hotel.
00:01:59
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pretty much everywhere I went you had accessible charging stations which is drastically different than I'd say most places you go to.
00:02:07
Speaker
I think it's really cool when you look at like LA and San Francisco and what the infrastructure looks like today versus the East Coast, which is where I'm at. There is still a significant amount of charging right now, but it's not to the same level. It's not even close. And then we go, I go home into the Midwest where you guys are at and a lot of places there's nothing. So it's kind of these, you can see the future in stages depending on where you go in the country. So to me that that's pretty interesting and a lot to look forward to.
00:02:36
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Yeah, I think my biggest surprise is I was up in Chico, California, which if you don't know, I didn't know about three and a half hours north of San Francisco. Home to Chico State, never heard of it before in my life. But as I pulled in my hotel, I see the green glow of an electrify America station. And I was like, are you kidding me? Chico has an electrify America. So like to your point, Mike, the infrastructure is built out very impressive compared to, you know, where we're at in Michigan, which we have electrify America stations, don't go me wrong.
00:03:04
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but they're not in small little towns like Chico.
Peterson Museum's Tesla Exhibit
00:03:07
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Anyway, we want to talk about a couple things. The Peterson Automotive Museum, if you've not been to it, I've had the pleasure of being to it a few times, is a gem in automotive American culture, I think.
00:03:19
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It's a pretty sweet design. You can't really drive past it if you're in LA. If you don't know what it looks like, I don't even know how to describe it. You should definitely Google it. But there's some really, really fantastic cars there. And in the basement is the vault. It's sponsored by Hagerty. And that's where all the really cool, cool cars are. Take a tour. Highly recommend going. It's just an automotive gem. I'd say it's probably the best automotive museum in the entire country.
00:03:46
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maybe in competition with LeMay up in Seattle. But we're kind of excited because they have a new exhibit and the new exhibit is all about Teslas. So they've got the 2019 Tesla Cybertruck prototype there. They have obviously the really cool new Tesla Roadster, which we'll talk about. But Mike, Tom, what are your thoughts on some of the displays or some of the social media coming out of this museum?
Ordering Mishap: Tesla Cybertrucks
00:04:14
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To me, it's, it's cool to get to more, some more photographs of the cyber truck. I mean, for me, someone who has a reservation of that truck. Right from the beginning, like within the first few minutes and to my wife's, uh, displeasure, I guess you could say I accidentally ordered three that first day because their website was, um, was down and I kept hitting submit, submit and submit. And, uh, you know, the next day after I woke up, she was like, did you, did you see what this thing looks like? I'm like, yeah, it looks awesome. And she goes.
00:04:42
Speaker
No, it doesn't. It looks horrible. We're not having that car in our driveway. But she's like, so you better not have ordered one. And I'm like, I didn't order one. And I stopped right there because I had ordered three, and it wasn't technically lying. And then she finds out later that it was actually three, and she's like, well, it's a good thing they're only $100 for reservation, because that's
00:05:07
Speaker
Uh, yeah, I don't like it. Um, so anyway, so that was the end of that, but, uh, so I've been looking forward to that cyber truck for a few years now. Um, and it's, uh, it's, to me, it's super cool, super futuristic looking. It hopefully it shows up in the near future before all the other, um, EV trucks surpass it as far as performance and what it can do. But, uh, yeah, I mean, between that and the roadster exhibits, the, the new and the old roadster, um, I
00:05:37
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It's a really cool display. If you haven't checked it out, make sure you go. As Brian said, make sure you get into the vault and take a look at that, because there's a lot there. It's not just the cars. There's some other aspects there to the Tesla world. And any Tesla person, if you're a fanboy or not, it's something to check out, just from the progression of what the EVs have done over the years, and where it was, and where it is today, and what we have to
Debating Tesla Cybertruck's Design
00:06:03
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look forward to. And I'm with your wife, Mike. The Cybertruck is hideous.
00:06:08
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It's an abomination. I'll be honest. Well, it's kind of a triangle. I guess you don't like triangles. That's a problem for you and your geometrical shapes. That's for you to have a problem with. And my wife, same deal there. But I will suspect that maybe the cyber truck will be here before my Mach-E. I don't know. It's possible. Everything works my favor. It will be.
00:06:37
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I mean, I had the same reaction when I saw that Peterson was unveiling this display. I thought it was the moon lander display and I didn't realize, you know, it was a cyber truck, uh, because I'm with Mike on this one. Uh, I think it's cool, but I don't know how practical it's going to be. Like, can it fit in your garage? How tall is this thing? You know, the tires are like 36 inches. Like there's some practicality problems with it. Isn't it supposed to be able to float? Didn't I hear that? Yes. According to Elon Musk and.
00:07:07
Speaker
Twitter and we are not going to get into that whole debate on this podcast. If you're looking for more information on that, go someplace else. We know what we're going to do when Mike gets his though. We're going to test this out, right? We're going to take it into a lake and see if it floats. Like, Mike, let's just get on record right now. Like, are we going to do this? I mean, as long as we know who the insurance agent is, then we'll have to fall.
00:07:28
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I think it's cool. One of the key aspects I like about it is that it's going to be, you know, the doors are in the whole body. The exoskeleton is not really going to get car dings and door dings and that kind of thing. And that's with little kids. And I'm sure you guys know they like to just pop those doors open and smash them into, you know, your vehicle. And I've had that happen to a number of my cars over the years.
00:07:58
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And so I'm looking forward to baseballs and footballs knocking into it and not having to worry about shopping carts or whatever it may be hitting the car, hitting the truck. So it might be blinding. It might be ugly, but at least it won't be dented.
00:08:15
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Yeah, I think it's cool, don't get me wrong. I think the other car though that I'm more cool is it's on display as a Roadster like you talked about and you have a nice picture of yours behind your desk. It's a 2017 Roadster that's on display and then they have the Model S Plaid on display as well. But Mike, do you have a Tesla Roadster on order too or can you even order one?
00:08:38
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Yeah. So just to give my background on the roadster. So I have, uh, one of the originals been nine 75 and that's, um, you know, it's a radiant red 2.5 sport. You haven't seen on the YouTube channel. Check it out. We've got a little walk around video of it. Um, but that's sort of my, that that's my baby. Um,
00:08:58
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But I did have one of the new ones on order for a while. And then I got my reservation back just because it was taking forever and it's just money sitting at Tesla. So I don't have one on order right now. And so if we get some more information that one's coming, I might put in another reservation for that because that is kind of a dream car.
00:09:23
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For right now, no, I'm just going to wait. I'm going to wait and
Tesla Roadster Reservation Canceled
00:09:26
Speaker
see. So I'm really not sure when it's going to hit. It's going to be 2025 or 2030. Not going to be 2022. That's for sure. Why wouldn't you just get a full star six?
00:09:39
Speaker
That's a good question. And I just got the email back that I did not put in my reservation deposit down in time. So that has slipped through my fingers and we'll see what happens. It's a disappointment. I'm so disappointed. You had one job. One job.
00:10:02
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I always count on you two to make me feel good about my life decisions. Apparently, that was not the right one. Appreciate you guys. Thank you. We can always do a viper conversion. Let's back up for the listeners that haven't heard this before. We're going off the rails a little bit on today's podcast.
00:10:22
Speaker
Yeah, there has been some discussion on doing a EV conversion by myself and Aaron Jones or some other group we'll see, but doing a Gen 1 Dodge Viper conversion. So a lot of the purists out there with the V10 may not like hearing that, but that was kind of the plan. So that's what Brian's referring to. I had kind of a whim that I wanted to do this and almost purchased one a little while ago.
00:10:52
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didn't do it. I think I thought through that a little bit more and now I just get ragged on from time to time. So again, thank you gentlemen for that. We are in awe of your maturity and restraint. I've got no words. Thank you. I love it. I love it. You got the words.
00:11:10
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So to put a wrap on the Peterson Museum, they coincided this display with the LA Auto Show.
LA Auto Show Highlights
00:11:16
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And, you know, just really quick, the last thing in the Peterson I'll say is it's, I just think it's really cool to see electric vehicles in an automotive museum like the Peterson, because they have some really, really historically sniffing cars where they've got K&M race cars.
00:11:30
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As a whole gauntlet, I can't even name all of them. There's like, you know, over like 800 cars in this place. The fact that the Tesla is there is pretty cool. But if we were going to switch gears a little bit, the LA auto show.
00:11:41
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Debuted multiple vehicles, they had tons of EVs there. The two that caught our eye, because we've already covered that, right? We've talked about the Pebble Beach, if not listen to that podcast episode, go back. There's quite a few unveiled there. The two that caught our eyes, which we want to talk about just briefly, was a new Lucid EV SUV. It's called the Gravity. Then Toyota unveiled this concept called the BZ.
00:12:06
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It's a smaller SUV, but it's probably going to be something around Toyota's second EV. Starting with the Lucid, just a few interesting stats on this car. So it's probably going to be launched in 2024, maybe 2025.
00:12:20
Speaker
Again, it's called the Gravity. It's pretty big. It's going to be offered in three rows with an entirely glass roof, which is pretty cool. It's going to challenge the Lucid Air for the longest range. So the Lucid Air right now has a 520 mile range. And they're going to say that this is going to be really close to that. I just can't imagine how heavy this is going to be. So I would assume the battery is going to be very large.
00:12:49
Speaker
I think it's kind of neat thinking that the thing's going to have somewhere around 1,000 horsepower is what they're talking about. So I don't know, it doesn't have zero 60 times where they're talking about three motors as an option in addition to the two motors. And I think the biggest thing is how much space. So that they specifically, their Derek Jenkins, their senior vice president when he unveiled it said,
00:13:14
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This is going to be a supercar in disguise with an SUV-type space and cargo space that seems impossibly big relative to the exterior size of the vehicle. So I'd say most EVs that have come out in the SUV space have been very streamlined, very aerodynamic. This thing looks more like a Ford Expedition from the 2000s. It's not super streamlined, but they're trying to maximize the interior space.
00:13:44
Speaker
So that was kind of intriguing to me. Like I said, the 1200 horsepower three motor taken right from the air sapphire sedans going to make this thing go quick. But Mike, Tom, any any other thoughts on the new Lucid? I mean, for the the Lucid air itself, if you've seen the trunk on one of those, it's not I would say it's not the most user friendly. And I think this will kind of fit the gap for someone some for the for the owners that need to
00:14:14
Speaker
It took a long trips, take a lot of cargo with them. This is going to be a great road trip car. I mean, if you're thinking 500 miles-ish, 1,200 horsepower, the interior on Lucids is amazing to begin with. It's extremely high quality. It's a very nice place to spend your time. So I think this is going to be just probably one of the top road trip vehicles out there, period. I mean, 500 miles in my gosh.
00:14:42
Speaker
That's just a massive, massive range, but it's going to be heavy, I think. So I don't think it's probably going to, my guess again, is it's not going to handle quite as well. What no SUVs really handle as good as sedans do. Yeah, I like it. I'm a fan of Lucid. I think they're a really sharp, well thought out car.
00:15:04
Speaker
Fit and finish is impressive. So I'm looking forward to having the chance to check one out. And I would love to get my hands on a gravity and own one. My partner is a far more concerned with the classic vehicle. Like she would prefer to go back to having like a early 2000s Jeep XJ, like bare bones Jeep as her daily driver, but she likes the Lucid. And I could probably convince her to get into one of those, but whereas like the Tesla or the Mach-E I'm getting, she doesn't really care for her.
Toyota's BZ Concept SUV
00:15:33
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I mean, after spending some time in one, I mean, I can see why. I mean, they're just, uh, they're, they're very well done. Very, very well done. Yep. I agree. The other one was interesting from Toyota. It's the BZ concept. Um, it looks like the exterior, uh, it looks like to me, like a Mazda CX five about that size and the style looks very similar. Um, the BZ stands from beyond zero.
00:16:00
Speaker
As you know, I think Tesla, or sorry, Toyota is behind in the rest of their world in EVs right now. They have one BZ4X crossover that's been unveiled, but they have nothing really in the marketplace.
00:16:17
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, that's a big departure from what they're what they're saying, even a few months ago, I mean, they were really on this hybridization is going to be the key to the future. And it seems like they've kind of finally got away from that. And they're really embracing the all EV, not hybrid mindset.
00:16:36
Speaker
Which, I mean, when I look at this BZ concept, I mean, I personally like the look of it. I think it's a sharp looking car. They've got a lot of catching up to do. They really do. Because if you look at, you know, Fisker Ocean production just hit on that car. And this is, I think, in that same general size. I don't think it, I mean, from what I'm reading about, it doesn't really have any
00:16:56
Speaker
um large benefits other than a uh you know being made from toyota which you know your reliability and fit and finish should be right up there um over what the fisker ocean is but i mean there's um there's some stiff competition toyota has to make a break in this market yeah i would agree and the off chance that toyota's president um akyo toyota is listening please do not go down the audi naming around the genesis or not the genesis the e-tron
00:17:24
Speaker
because I'm starting to feel like we have the BZ4X, we have the BZ, we have the BZ3X, like please do not do that. Can you make these cars? Let's just do this. Let's just have an open letter to any automobile manufacturer that before you go into your naming conventions, consult with us. Let us help you. Help us help you not make a confusing car name. Yes. Agreed. Yeah. Yes. Okay.
00:17:48
Speaker
I love it. I think to your point, Mike, this is going to be, I think, the platform that they're going to build a bunch of EVs from. So the exterior, I think, is pretty close to what it's going to look like. The interior, I thought a couple interesting things, taking the yoke steering wheel from the Tesla. And also, it's hard to describe this, but the dash is curved and the screen is curved.
00:18:12
Speaker
So I don't know if that's going to be in production. I don't know about a curved screen. Sounds expensive. Sounds actually kind of hard to hit buttons when you're driving because it's not flat to change things. And then obviously we've heard a lot of pros and cons about the Tesla Yoke steering wheel. I think you either love it or hate it. Mike, any opinions on the Yoke? What do you think? So the first couple of days driving a
00:18:36
Speaker
vehicle with the yoke steering wheel takes some definitely getting used to. I mean, it's fine when you're going kind of on a straight or mildly curvy road. When you start to get parking situations, that's where it gets to be a little bit more difficult, especially with the Teslas. They don't have the stock for reverse and drive and that sort of thing. And you're really just depending on the car to do it for yourself or pushing a button on the screen.
00:18:58
Speaker
So from a visibility standpoint, I think they're great, but, um, I'm, I'm kind of a, I guess, old school and I really like a steering wheel better, even if the visibility is slightly reduced. Just because I like to move my hands around in different positions where in a yoke, you're really locked in almost like an any, any car driver. And that to me just, um, it's not even a usability thing. It's just for overall comfort from day to day. I just don't want to have my hands in exactly the same spot, especially if I'm going to go on up.
00:19:26
Speaker
a couple hour road trip. Um, sometimes I like to put them on the top of the steering wheel and there just isn't for what it's worth. I mean, you gotta, you gotta try it. That's the thing. End of the day, you just gotta try it. See if you'd like it. You're gonna love
Cold-weather EV Travel Tips
00:19:38
Speaker
it. You might not.
00:19:40
Speaker
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00:20:00
Speaker
So Brian, you wasted a weekend going down to Ann Arbor. There's a college there, maybe university, there's maybe a football team. I'm familiar with it, but really I'm a Michigan State fan through and through. So I mean, I don't know why you'd want to go to Ann Arbor and waste a trip, but I guess it's not, you're not paying for gas. It's not that big of a waste.
00:20:20
Speaker
Yeah, I went to Ann Arbor twice, one pound that Michigan State team into the ground. That was a good meeting. That was a good game. And, uh, and then this a couple of weeks ago to the Nebraska game, Tom. So, uh, yeah, you're right. You know, 110,000 of my buddies, we like to cheer on football, but.
00:20:34
Speaker
Obviously, we did a three-part, or you guys did, a three-part series on winter driving. I just want to finish that off because I just did a 500-mile road trip to Thomas Point in my EV6, and it was cold. When I first left, I thought this was really interesting. When I left, it was 64 degrees and sunny in northern Michigan. When I returned, it was 29 degrees and snowing.
00:20:56
Speaker
So I got the full gamut and I learned five things or five takeaways from it that I wanted to share just briefly. I think number one is common sense, but we still see a lot of questions our way. Gas powered vehicles lose range when the temperature drops and so does electric vehicles. So when I left, I had about a 276 mile range. It was 64 degrees outside.
00:21:21
Speaker
Our first charging stop is about 145 miles away, so at about 130 mile buffer. As we drove on, the range dropped because we were one driving at 75, 80 miles an hour, and the temperature also dropped from 64 to 44. So we arrived at our first fast charger with 80 miles left on the estimator. So my first learning is
00:21:41
Speaker
Give yourself a little bit more range estimation if you're going to be driving in the cold, because if you're going to be driving fast and the cold, that's going to drop a little bit quicker.
00:21:53
Speaker
Number two, a lot of vehicles have this, but I use the battery preconditioning called winter mode in the EV6. So what this does is when you select it, you put in a charging station into the navigation and it starts warring up the battery when you get close to the charging station. That also uses some of your range up, right? But it allows your battery to charge faster in cold weather because it's already up to speed or up to temperature. So it increases the speed.
00:22:17
Speaker
So I would say we basically achieve the same charging speeds we usually get at Electrify America from 20% to 80% in about 18, 19 minutes with this feature activated. So that was really beneficial. The third one is pretty common sense, but if it's snowing out, use snow mode. So we got on the way back some snow. We put it in snow mode. It engages the second motor in the front and turns it into basically an all-wheel drive vehicle. However, this is going to take a little bit of your range off from an Eco mode.
00:22:47
Speaker
and it's going to stop your regenerative breaking, which I think Tom and Aaron covered very well in our last episode. If you've not listened to that, go back and listen to it. It was very helpful on this road trip.
00:22:58
Speaker
But just know that activating all-wheel drive and having the regenerating turn off is going to lower your range. The last two things I learned was charging may take longer at non-fast chargers. So we spent the night, we got up in the morning, I had about a 35% charge when I got to Ann Arbor after the one stop.
00:23:17
Speaker
went to the football game for four hours and afterwards ate dinner. So I was at the charge point charger a good seven hours and it was a slow charger. So I wasn't expecting to be charged fast, but I was still charging most of that time around 3.7 kilowatt hours, which I'll translate into English is super slow. Um, we, we had achieved six to 10 on the same charger just a few weeks prior when I was warm out.
00:23:43
Speaker
But you should be prepared for this because the battery preconditioning did not know we're going to a charge point, slow charger. We just put in, you know, it just recognized that we're going to a parking deck. So it didn't warm up the battery and the battery had been sitting all night. And then my last tip, which I've already talked about, give yourself more of a mileage buffer. Know that in the winter, you're going to have to drive slower.
00:24:06
Speaker
It's going to take a lot longer to get to your destination. So maybe an hour drive is going to be more of a two hour drive if you're caught in the snow. And if you want your creature comforts, I had my creature comforts, the steering wheel heater on, the seat heaters were up. We had the cabin temperature up at 75 because my wife really likes to be warm. That's going to drop the range. I didn't see a ton because the heat pump was working really well. But if you don't have a heat pump,
00:24:30
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really give yourself a buffer and I would say that we lost 276 mile range when we started in the colder weather is more down like 235 miles.
00:24:44
Speaker
Lastly, just use the temperature preconditioning if you can, get the vehicle up to temp because if you have any V6 or a Tesla and it gets cold out and there's lots of snow, know that your recessed door handles are going to freeze shut and you need to use the cabin-free heat feature to warm up the car. That's what I learned. Any thoughts, questions? Mike Tom.
00:25:07
Speaker
Yeah, those door handles are such a problem that your wife even texted me about it. She wanted to make it well known that the recommended vehicle, the door handles suck for winter.
00:25:21
Speaker
Just be prepared for some blowback, everybody. If you get a vehicle that has a recessed door handles and they freeze up, either use a preconditioning so that they warm up a little bit, knock on them a little bit to get them to open up or expect a text message from your friends and family that they're iced up. It really bothered her. If she texted you, it really bothered her.
00:25:43
Speaker
How did the EV6 do once you got into some snow? Did you ever notice any slipping with regenerative braking or trash control issues? It's a great question. I would say it has all season tires on it. They're not bad, but I wouldn't say it's going to be my preferred winter driving car. I'm going to probably drive my truck, which has brand new tires, really nice snow tires on it. I'm probably going to drive my truck when it gets really, really snowy, because I decided not to get winter tires for this car this year. It only has 9,000 miles on it.
00:26:12
Speaker
but I wouldn't say it's awesome, but I think it's the tires. I think it's the tires, and you guys covered that really well in a previous episode of Why, right? It's got those EV tires. But I was impressed in the deep snow. It did really well in the deep snow. I would say it was the icy conditions.
00:26:29
Speaker
I'd say it's normal car. It's just like a normal car with all seasons, but I was impressed. I like that it turns off the regenerative braking because I could see how that would throw you. If the regenerative braking turns on, it kind of jerks the car a little bit. Or if you change out in the pedal shifters from level one to level four or whatever, the eye pedal slows the car down and just makes it weird. So I like that it's turned that off. I shouldn't say it's turned it off. It's moved it to level one. So it's still on, but very minor.
00:26:57
Speaker
Um, but I would say, um, I'm blaming the summer all season hires and not the EV sex.
Listener Appreciation and Future Episodes
00:27:04
Speaker
That's fair. I think that about wraps up what we're going to talk about here today, guys, but I just want to take a minute to thank the people listening to the podcast and we've been really overwhelmed by.
00:27:13
Speaker
how many of you are supportive and reaching out and supplying us with ideas for content. And we want to make sure that we're getting to those. So one of the episodes that we're going to have coming up will be a series on buying a used EV that's in the pipes coming down. And we also want to make sure that you're reaching out and offering suggestions if there's things you want to hear, because we're open to it. And we want to make sure that we're answering questions for people to help ease that transition into the electric vehicle space, which is the whole purpose of this podcast existing.
00:27:42
Speaker
All right. Uh, so Tom, you're, you're Maki supposed to be built on the 12th and, uh, I'm hoping you maybe get an early Christmas present. And for our listeners out there that are maybe on waiting lists and EVs are supposed to be delivered, maybe, uh, maybe y'all get an early Christmas present. That would be an amazing Christmas present. Thanks guys. It was great talking with you. Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas. Happy new year. Take care guys. Happy new year.
00:28:25
Speaker
Take care everybody.