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Revisiting: Home Charging an Electric Vehicle Explained
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Mike, Tom, and Bryant discuss the realities of home charging. Listen in to see just how simple it is, and how you'll never miss having a full battery at the start of each day.
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:30 - Tom orders a Ford Mustang Mach-E
6:24 - Rivian discussion
13:40 - Home charging discussion
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Transcript
Introduction to 'Plug In For More'
00:00:02
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Welcome to Plug In For More, brought to you by evuniverse.com. EV Universe is your one-stop shop for all things related to the electric vehicle. Here on this podcast, our goal is to educate, inspire, and hopefully make your transition into the electric vehicle marketplace a lot less intimidating.
Tom's Mustang Mach-E Order
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And now, here are your hosts, Mike, Tom, and Bryant.
00:00:30
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Welcome, gentlemen. Podcast number five. Big news for me. I placed my order for a Mustang Mach-E. Whoo. What did you get? and Well, dive down into the specs, color options. I want to hear it all. Man, so right now.
Ford's Mach-E Model Limitations
00:00:51
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and at the time of our recording we are march of 2022 now there's been a handful of options available for the maki from the select to the premium to the california route one and the the gt version right now ford has
00:01:06
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limited your availability to order to either the select or the GT. You can't get those other two like mid tier premium options. So I end up going with the select with the comfort and technology package that is the essentially the base model with the upgrade that gives you the blue cruise and heated seats, heated steering wheel, power lift gate. The select doesn't give you the extended range battery, so with the all-wheel drive, I'm going to be looking at like 224 miles of range on that particular battery, which may not be ideal, but for what I anticipate doing for driving, I'm way good with. I don't plan on doing a whole lot of long trips. I'm not going to be going out of my area. It's just going to be stuff to and from
00:01:49
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the general area where I live, you know no more than 100 miles a day. I really liked the idea of the GT being able to jump up to the 270 mile range with the more power that would get you that zero to 60 in 3.8 seconds. But the price difference between what I chose and what I would have gotten in the GT was about $15,000.
Panoramic Sunroof Concerns
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And for that $15,000 increase in price, the extra 50 miles in range and second and a half of zero to 60 time didn't really seem like a smart use of resources. The only other thing that I'm missing that I really would have liked going from the select of the GT is the availability of having the big panoramic sunroof.
00:02:31
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But that's a $1,500 option on the GT as it is. Sure. I mean, one thing I noticed with my Model Y with the large sunroof is I'm staring out the windshield the whole time. The kids like it in the back seat, but it really doesn't affect me. I mean, I really, I rarely look at it. So I don't think you're missing much. My current vehicle has the big sunroof. I love it. I like having the sun hitting my head and feeling it above me. It's cool. But as I've been reading more about the Mach-E, because classic Tom, I go and order something and don't really understand what I'm buying and I research it after the fact, I'm looking at it and there's no built-in sunshade. They have the sunroof in this car, but there's no factory sunshade from Ford on it. You have to do that aftermarket.
00:03:14
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which I thought was kind of odd, but that's that's where they're going these days. I mean, that's same thing with model the Model Y. um The X really didn't have anything that is sunshade with that huge front windshield because we had ah a monolax for the twenty seventeen one hundred D. And that was sort of a Tesla after sale product for that windshield to block some of the sun.
Family Rivalry Over Mach-E Orders
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But that second row, which had, I don't even know what how to describe it, but you guys were both in the vehicle. It's those windows that are on the roof, but they're part of the Falcon wing doors. So the second row doors. And, um, there's really nothing available that I've seen for that. Maybe there are some aftermarket, but for the most part, there's nothing, nothing either.
00:04:00
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So Tom, the biggest thing is don't tell my wife. because we talked about last podcast, that's ah she wants me to get, so that's a secret. and when When are you getting it? The dealership is saying six to eight months. um The Ford website, if you look at it, is saying 20 plus weeks, so five months. I've been following some of the Maki owner groups on social media, and there's people that placed orders in September that are just getting deliveries now, so that tracks.
00:04:32
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But there's people that have placed orders in January whose vehicles are getting built right now. So it could be sooner. And my
Production Priorities and Delays
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my understanding is that Ford has limited the order of those other trim levels in order to focus on production of the select tier and the GT tier. So my hope is that it'll be quicker just in that Ford has reduced the volume of vehicles available to order. So I've got a question, Tom. Because it seems like this is always something that you personally deal with is, um did your father by chance ah order one too? Because he likes to copy you. And we know how this goes. So please tell me he he didn't copy you this time. Or maybe he did. It was real close. I mean, I got i selected the iced blue silver as my color choice.
00:05:27
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He went and picked the red version of the same exact model car, options and all. ah so now Of course he did. Now to be fair, he didn't get the bright orange, which honestly, that would be his typical choice. So he did go a little bit more subdued than normal, but this has been more of a taunt to my mother than anything because she tries not to spend money on new vehicles and my dad's always trying to. So it was just a matter of time and they were already probably closer and more on board of ordering one. prior to me going and doing it, and then once I did it, it was just kind of sealed the deal for my dad. Then you guys, same day, probably, too, knowing you're dead? Within hours, yes. I think I sent the text message saying, hey, I ordered mine. Where are you at with yours? And then it was like two hours later. and So like he probably got my text message and drove straight to the dealer and says, well, I can't be that far behind him.
00:06:17
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He's got his coming, now the battle's on to see who gets theirs first.
Comparing Rivian's Features to High-End Cars
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and So when we're looking at like the Model X and the Model Y, Tom, as far as the aftermarket um accessories, um one of the things that's nice with the Rivian, if you haven't seen it before, but they have the electrochromatic sunroof, which is essentially just push a button and it'll automatically change the ah color and block out the UV light and just overall light coming through that. sunroof. I think is that's cool. That's what some of the, I think, Mercedes and some other high-end manufacturers are doing currently. So it's a pretty cool car. That does sound really cool, and it might be the only cool thing that Rivian has going for it. Oh, shot's fired. No, I've followed Rivian. I've seen the pictures of the car. I finally saw my first one on the road the other day, and I was shocked at how small it looked.
00:07:13
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like I was thinking it was going to be on par comparable with a full-size truck, and it's kind of like Ford Ranger Dodge Dakota size. like From outward appearances passing it on the roadway, seems too small to be any good of anything besides just, I don't know, might as well as be a car. Oh, boy. So I also saw my so first one in ah in yesterday, actually, in a parking lot, and I turned around and went and looked at it, maybe researched it. I take the Contrarian view. I think, obviously, it's not as big as a full bull-size truck, but I think it's got some really cool features. It's got a locking tie-down in the bed, which is really cool. So you can lock stuff down, tie it down, and it locks. It's got an air compressor built into the bed so you can inflate you know your inflatables.
00:07:58
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It's got a flashlight built in and it's got that really cool like hidden spot between the trunk ah the truck bed and and the cargo space and the bed sorry in the cabin you can put stuff.
Rivian's Production Challenges
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and so I think it's cool because it's gimmicky, but I think the gimmicks are actually really cool. Yes, it's are are always ready to go. i mean I saw one, I want to say two, three months ago and I got a chance to i'm sit in it i play around with all the gadgets that kind of thing the gear tunnel which I know Bryant you were talking about that that was that was pretty nice and Tom I'm surprised you don't like that just from being a skier like myself and be able to throw all your gear in there and keeping it from rattling around in the back of the bed of the truck it it fits perfectly in there along with some extra room yeah
00:08:48
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In the gear tunnel is a cool idea. I mean, the gimmicky things that Brian's hit now, I'm like, yeah, I get it. Those are cool features. But at the core of what I would want a truck to do is to be able to haul a sheeted drywall and some two by fours and get from point A to point B. And I don't see that bed hauling anything of any real substance. And great, it has geared tie downs, but how much gear can you really put in it? Yeah, I think that bed is a four and a half foot bed. So it's it's definitely shorter. You know, it's it also has I think 11000 pounds towing capacity, which is which is nice. sure I mean, it does have if you're taking it off road with the four motors, you know, you have one of each wheel that will be able to handle things a lot better than a traditional four wheel drive vehicle would in a lot of instances. I guess I'll i'll put it out there this way.
00:09:35
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I am open to changing my mind. I'm just going to need Rivian to put one in my hands. And if everyone wants to put one in my hands so that we can get a proper evaluation of this vehicle, I am humble enough that I can admit that I was wrong. But as of right now, I'm not a fan. All right. I think that's a, we all know what that is. That's a, that's a cry for help and please help, um, drive a Rivian. I think that's what we're going for here. So, um, I, I see the game and I think we'll. We'll see if you can we can get one in your hands sooner than later because I do want to see you change your mind for me after I sat in one, you have to play with all the the gimmicky stuff as as we're calling it. I mean, yeah did so it's a well put together truck. I just don't think they're going to be able to make as many as they need to. And I think that's one of the reasons our stock right now has been declining quite a bit is they're having a hard time with the production ramp because I think Tesla proved it. That's a very hard thing to go through. And I think they're seeing that right now.
00:10:32
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Yeah, i think they I think they limited production to 25,000 or target 25,000 trucks this year, which is pretty small. And I think they only delivered less than 1,000 last year, like high 900s. So the fact we're seeing them out in the wild is kind of cool to see because they're pretty rare
Rivian's Price Increase Backlash
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to see. um But you can't forget the the cool gimmick is the hydraulic suspension, which I think shares with the McLaren is the only other cars that have a hydraulic suspension. I think, yeah, the predict a particular architecture of it, but it can lower and raise, I think it's six and a half inches, which is pretty crazy if you think about it. So you can go off road and you can raise it all the way up. And then if you want to be efficient or
00:11:15
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I mean, I'm just more drive around the town driving. It can do zero to 60 in 3.1 seconds. I think it's quarter mile and 12 and a half or no, might even be faster than that. Might be 11 seconds. It's a, it's, I mean, it's a downright fast vehicle, let alone truck. And I can completely acknowledge that some of my perception of this is partly joking, but at the same time I look at that truck version and I see the Jeep commander in stature and size, which, Again, I kind of shake my head at it so that maybe I am prejudice against it just from that standpoint. and But I look at Rivian and what you're talking about, as far as the tech and the structure and and the build of it, like I have no doubt that it's quality. um I look forward to the SUV version, was it the R1S.
00:11:59
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I think that is going to kind of be one of its own and probably be the vehicle that makes it. I think that R1S is the one that's going to sell more, frankly, because it has so many, um I would say, traditional benefits over the truck just because of the size. It's not too big. It's not crazy large. It's not small. It's going to be three rows. It's very, very nice on the outside but can handle off-road. um It reminds me a little bit of a Land Rover in that respect as far as the market and what they're going after. yeah One thing about Rivian that I think drove a lot of people a little bit baddie recently was the the price increase that came out of nowhere, especially for previous reservation holders such as myself, when they increased the prices. For a lot of folks,
00:12:48
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It went up 10 to $20,000. I mean, it was a massive, massive increase. And and for people that already put down $1,000 and waited a few years, that was kind of kicking ah kicking the teeth. I don't think a lot of people liked it. Um, and I think within, what was it? 24 hours or so. Everyone received, all the reservation holders received an email from the CEO saying, hey, you know we made a mistake, retracted it, and it's going to honor the pricing for the people who already reserve their vehicles, which I think was the right move. you're listening to the plug in for more podcast. If you're looking for information on electric vehicles, electric vehicles, components or information on how to reduce your carbon footprint. Look no further than ev universe.com ev universe.com is your one stop shop for all things related to electric vehicle.
Home Charging Decisions for Mach-E
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So let's jump into our our segment here, what we came to talk about, which is the home charging and what it takes to get that set up. Now that I've ordered my Maki, I'm thinking about, hey, I need to have a level two charger at my house. I started to research to a degree on getting an electrician in to help run a 220 outlet into my garage so that I can hook my level two charger up to it. um I know that has to come from the panel and run lines into the garage. And that'll be fine. We'll get it taken care of and get that done.
00:14:07
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Where I'm hitting a little bit of a wall is what level to charger do I want to go with? There's a bunch of different brands Ford has their own proprietary one They're selling which of course is more than anything else on the market. Do you have any ideas Mike on Focusing where to go over level to charger regarding our chargers that we have it in time You've seen them at at my house. We have two different ones. One is a J 1772 adapter and That one is an old mobile, which I believe is a charge point charger that I use to charge not only Tesla's, but also the original Tesla roaster that we have. um I flip back and forth. That one is just a.
00:14:47
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very easy small adapter that you put on if you're going to charge either a 1772 or a Tesla um vehicle and you'd have to put on just the Tesla adapter. It takes two seconds. It's not a big deal. yeah That wall connector doesn't charge it quite as fast as the Tesla, um but that's more just my own personal setup as far as what are what's the amperage coming off that the panel. It's 40 versus 50 for the the Tesla charger that we do have. If you're not going to play around with checking your phone and changing certain parameters on the charging and you don't want, you know, Wi-Fi capability within the within the charger, it's just fine to get a, I would say, quote unquote run-of-the-mill wall connector.
00:15:38
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that's going to save you a couple hundred dollars. um As long as it's URL rated, that's fine. Are you all rated? That's not a big deal. The Tesla ones, um they can charge a little bit faster. So if you are really going through a lot of battery every single day and maybe you only have four to six hours of charge versus seven or eight, you might see a little bit benefit there. um Or if you want to have the Wi-Fi capability within that wall connector, you know that's something you can look at too. It's it's's really splitting hairs and frankly it's hard to go wrong with any of them as long as set up appropriately within your garage. Sure. I don't think it's going to make a bit of difference frankly. Unless you get one that's you know really cheap or that the cord is something that's really short that's something else to consider too is the more you put it in the garage versus versus
00:16:34
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where the charge port is for your car, I always recommend getting the long longest cord possible because you never know if you need to charge while your car is outside or um if you get a different vehicle, if the charge port is going to be on the front of the car versus the rear, um those types of things, or if you have a really deep garage and you need to, again, charge at one point versus the other. To me, that's the biggest factor. and So like I've seen a lot of the chargers that have like smart features, which they call them smart features. I don't know exactly what each individual one is. As far as my specific vehicle that I'm going to be getting is concerned, I'm learning that it has those features built into the vehicle, and that the best case for me is just to get your basic like entry-level simple charger that runs on the 48 amps and just buy that and let the car handle all those smart features instead of trying to duplicate efforts. Yeah, I mean with the smart features, that's the reason but I've got the third generation Tesla wall connector and it works great, but I don't use any of the smart features because the car has them themselves.
00:17:43
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If you are going back and forth between um you know allowing someone else to use your car charger, let's say you own an Airbnb and you have and you have a ah wall connector there and you want to be able to charge for the people that are staying there versus not, it's out you know it' it's outside. Then you can dive into those smart features where it makes sense. Do you want to use a sort of a passcode to let it you know charge with the vehicles or not lock people out? but That's a different application, I think, for the vast, vast majority of people, like yourself, like myself, Bryant, whenever his Q4 e-tron would ever show up. It's in the bottom of the Atlantic. Yeah, unfortunately. Do you want to talk about it?
00:18:26
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so but Another thing with the home charging that I've learned about since having ordered the vehicle that doesn't often get talked about, everyone knows about the tax credits for certain electric vehicles, but my electric co-op that services my home offers rebates and incentives for electric
Utility Incentives for EV Adoption
00:18:42
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vehicles. so it's There's a $1,000 credit just for buying an electric vehicle that replaces a gas vehicle, and then they give another $500 credit for the purchase and installation of a level two home charger. So after I have bought my EV and had my home charger installed, I'm going to send them proof of purchase of both of those things. And I'm going to get a check back for $1,500 to recoup my costs of that installation. Something to look in at your local, your electrical company as well for that.
00:19:13
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Yeah, then that's something that's really key too. I think when you add up all the costs, ah especially the cost savings and of an EV, if you're in an area that has maybe lower electricity rates, you know you can get some of those specific rebates. Not only the the tax credit, you know there's $7,500 tax credit for some of the EVs out there. Tesla doesn't um qualify them at this time anymore. you know the The Ford, I believe, still does. you know it can really It can really add up. And you can have some savings there. Unfortunately, in my area, we don't get any tax credits for the installation of a level two charger or purchase of an electric vehicle beyond you know the normal federal tax credit. Nothing stay wise at this point. So Mike, I have a question for you. Obviously, Tom's going to have his charger at his house.
00:20:00
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probably in his garage, like we're talking about, what are the pros and cons of keeping it in the garage versus out of the garage? Can you literally charge your car outside in winter and rain? like Is there any problems with that? Yeah, i mean that's completely fine. i mean The main thing is just to make sure that when it's hardwired, it's hardwired for outside. But you get a lot of people just put their wall connector on the outside of their garage and keep their cars outside. That's perfectly fine to do. Some people do recommend that if it's in a thunderstorm, you think you're going to have lightning strikes. then you might want to consider unplugging your vehicle. So if you have a surge protector, a home surge protector, I think that might cover it. But again, I'm not an electrician, but those chargers, wall connectors are made for outside.
00:20:43
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What if you're living in an apartment that doesn't have a charger? What would the logistics look like if owning an EV there? So that's a really good question. And obviously it depends on where you live and what the regulations of, let's say if it's an apartment building or a condominium.
EV Charging Options for Apartment Dwellers
00:21:02
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I have heard of a bunch of people asking apartment complexes to either put in ah charging stations within their parking structures, or if it's a condominium, them being able to look up their own level two charger within their garage space and then paying for it or having the condo association pay for part of it. So there's combination there. Other than that, if, you know, let's say you're more transient, you're going to move more frequently.
00:21:28
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that a lot of people just go to superchargers once or twice a week, depending on what their driving habits are. It's not as ideal as it would be, of course, if you own your own home. People do it all the time. I'm curious, I know you've done a lot of road trips. I've seen more hotels have a few charging stations. Have you seen availability of hotels to have charging stations when you were traveling, or did it not matter? You just parked and you know you hit a supercharger on the way up and it didn't matter to charge it overnight? It really just depends on kind of and where you're going, what the exact logistics are of that trip. But for the most part, um, we just went on a normal route. And then if we needed to stay at a hotel, we charge when we needed to anyways. And then if we slept at the hotel and there wasn't a charger there, you're not going to lose that much charge overnight. Anyways, you get up and you continue your trip.
Charging Stations During Travel
00:22:16
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We have stayed at a number of them that have chargers there. Almost every one of those had a supercharger at the hotel, which was nice, but I just plugged in. We unloaded our car and got set up in the room. And by the time we were done with that, went out and unplugged in, it was ready to go. It wasn't really necessary for overnight. If you're in a more rural spot or someplace that's far from a supercharger, those destination chargers, which are your level two, which is going to give you a full charge usually overnight or and in about eight hours or so. Those are going to be perfect for a hotel situation, but the superchargers, it's almost too much. When I say too much, it's you're you're not going to leave your car there overnight and take up that spot. Last question, if if Tom put in, he's got a Mach-E, he put in this level two charger and then he hates the Mach-E.
00:23:10
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and he's going to get a Tesla, would he have to get a brand new, completely different charger? No. um And that this doesn't go across the board. I'm sure there's there's exceptions to every rule. But um just like what we have with our J1772 wall connector charger, um it's just a very small adapter. It's so about three inches in length and about you know two inches wide. It usually costs anywhere from, like I think, $30 to $50 for that adapter. But yeah, that's not going to make a make a difference. so Got it. Realistically, I anticipate 99% of all the charging that I'm going to do with this car to be done on the home charger. and Yeah. And I've been trying to explain it to people you know as far as the cost goes of breaking down. And these are going to be rough numbers. So don't get a calculator out and fact check me. But like my electric co-op is 12 cents a kilowatt hour.
Cost Comparison: EV Charging vs. Gas Fueling
00:24:03
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you know I know that to fill up the battery on this car that I'm getting is going to be
00:24:09
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roughly like $8.00. On that exact topic. So the latest update to my Tesla app now has charging stats. When I was looking at this before, this is a great feature. And I think this is exactly what you're talking about. And I'll send you both screenshots of this so you can see it, what it is for me. But what it does is it not only looks at what's the total kilowatt hours, so how much power that you actually used in the last 30 days. It gives you how much was spent. I didn't drive very much. It was like 240 kilowatt hours, which is kind of like two tanks of gas. We spent $29 doing that this month, this month. Okay. So two like two tanks of gas. So like 600 miles or so is what that is. So it's spent $30 to go 600 miles, which is pretty crazy. Um, and then it gives you gas savings. So gas equivalent.
00:25:05
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I don't think this takes into effect. Um, it doesn't say exactly. It says it's based on guests prices in North Carolina right now. But again, Tom, with what you're saying, I've got the actual stats, which is you've done the math before you got the car. I got the car and I got the stats. Um, and I'm assuming you'll have probably something similar to that with your mock E If they don't already, they hopefully will in the very near term. Um, cause I think this is useful, especially when you're showing others in this kind of the big takeaway. Cause I think there's a misinformation out there that it's going to cost more. There's somehow like a hidden cost to electricity that the car is going to cost more to fuel going on the road than it does a gas vehicle. For me, I know that it's a 70 kilowatt battery for that Mustang Machi. I'm at $8 and 40 cents from zero to a hundred percent to fill that up and the run the same mileage in my.
00:26:02
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five point seven liter dot ram I'm looking at $61 in fuel to do that same amount of driving. Like it's like you said, it's significant. I look forward to that savings. You do have to factor in, of course, the installation of the of the charger. It sounds like with you, you have that rebate that we should cover the best majority of that without any problem. I didn't have that, so I had to factor that into my costs for a couple of years. I mean, it's not even close at this point because I'm not paying to install another level two charger. yeah She'd be good. And then as soon as I get that Mach-E, I'm going to drive it over to Brian's house and show it off. Yes, you need to. Brian's wife wants one. She's going to beg. She's going to beg you to come and sell his house. So just go to Fox Motors now, order your car. There is no commitment. There's no deposit. You just go in there and say, hey, I want to order this car. And they order it for you. And when it comes in, if you don't want it, you don't want it. That's a good point. But at least you're six months ahead.
00:27:01
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I mean, it's a good point. My Audi dealer texted me and said no update, which is supposed to be an update in March for an April, potential April car. So I think to your point, if I put an order and now, I'll probably get it way before the Q4. I can almost guarantee that. So let's talk about that for a bit. I know both of you are in the market for and an EV, but for the listeners out there that you They want to get it in in one. They're not sure. you know Should I order one? Should I not? um I guess I'll tell everyone what I've been doing is any vehicle that I think is there's a chance that I might want it, I order it. I spec it out and I order it. you know It's either from $100 to $1,000, which is you know a lot to have down for a vehicle if you're talking $1,000 to hold your spot in line. But because the the lead time is so long on these,
00:27:54
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If you think there's a decent chance you might want it and you might want it within the next two years, it might be a good idea just to order it now because by the time you realize you do want it, and you might be waiting another six months or a year to get that vehicle. It's not like normal times where you just go down to the dealership and pick up whatever you want. and You talk about the money for the deposit. Most of them are all refundable, to my knowledge. Yes. I'm not aware of any of that
Home Charging Setup: Wall Connector vs. Dryer Outlet
00:28:20
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are not. um It doesn't seem there's a whole lot to the home charging. mean It is what it is. Pretty simple. Oh, I guess when we're talking about home charging, we should probably talk about the 1450 dryer plug.
00:28:33
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so Tom, when you're when you're looking at a home charger, there's kind of two different options. One is the sort of the standard wall connector that will, you know, it's hardwired into your garage or whatever your setup is. The other option which a lot of people also utilize is using a ah dryer outlet. There's some benefits to it um in that it's not typically as expensive because what you end up doing is there's a mobile connector that comes which with each vehicle and you plug that directly into that dryer outlet in your in your garage. So you can use the same mobile connector and you don't have to purchase a full
00:29:14
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extra wall connector that's hardwired into garage, you can take it with you. And then if you you leave your house, you sell it or apartment complex, whatever it may be, that plug stays behind and you take the the wall, the mobile connector with you. The downside of that is it They typically don't charge as fast and there's some debate on the exact cause ah with electrical engineers. I'm sure there's really no debate on the cause of the issues with those dryer outlets. But if you plug them in and out all the time.
00:29:45
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then you can have some arcing and then you can potentially cause a fire and that's obviously not a good thing. Many many people use those dryer outlets in their garages just fine. Especially if you just leave them plugged in with your mobile connector, not a big deal. I know Elon Musk has come out and in the past and said those are ah perfect, that's all you really need, just go and do it. um However, I have seen personally a few different instances of those dryer plugs arcing actually causing significant damage to the outlet and luckily they had started on fire. And the reason I was told on these particular instances that they cause that is wall outlet when you go and purchase one from let's say Home Depot or Lowe's or whatever it may be.
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they There's two different types, primarily. There's a commercial grade, which is different type plastic. It's more heavy duty. just It's better built. It can handle the amperage for a longer period of time versus the very cheap, let's say, $10 or $15 plug. And those are the ones that are, I guess, not as good at being plugged in and out and may not be able to have handle the amperage for as long of a time. So if you're going to use that dryer outlet, just make sure you get the good one, the commercial grade. I know Tesla talks about that on their website, um and I've seen it personally. So just do yourself a favor. If you're going to do it like anything else, do it right. Okay. Thank you for listening to plug in for more. Make sure you subscribe so you don't miss any future episodes. In the meantime, check out the one stop EV marketplace, evuniverse.com. Until next time.